Whoever said this Batman was the worst is obviously jaded or touched in the head. George Clooney and Val Kilmer are definitely on the low end of best Batman's...
I agree. Alot of people don't like it because of how over the top and strange he is. But that is the essence of the Joker. I think people forget that the Joker has been written many different ways. He isn't always brooding and depressed. He can also use big silly guns that say POW and tell jokes. Which Jack Nicholson nailed!
100% agree! One of my favourite moments is when he puts on the glasses during the final fight and says "You wouldn't hit a man with glasses would ya?" That for me perfectly summarised his character! Mark Hamill is also fantastic!
I love Keaton's portrayal. I can't understand why you wouldn't like it. It's far more relatable than any other superhero. It actually feels like he is a human being
Never heard that some people thought this was the worst Batman and never heard that people thought Christopher Nolan's Gotham City was the superior version to Tim Burton's. (I mean Nolan's Gotham is just a city with NO character). We must run in very different circles Mr. RedEye
Interesting tidbits: -This was a Joker movie first. Hence the focus. -This Joker is the crime boss, Golden Age, version. No other version portrays him that way. Adam West Batman (Cesar Romano [spelling?]) was the practical joke centered and non-threatening censored Silver Age version. - This version cannot ever be considered the worst. Just as a technical point, as it is the basis to which all others must compare for a cinematic source. You notice the lack of martial arts, the single villian, and a very limited scope. All the other 90s and more have more villians and are trying to cover more ground. This stayed on 1 point. -Having the old VHS, if you don't remember the cola commercial tie-in, that was a HUGE part of how VHS and home movies' costs were brought down. This is another monumental inclusion for its importance to home video ownership as well
I love this Batman movie, it's as old as me. I love the look Tim Burton gave this movie. Keaton was great and Nicholson was great. The Batmobile is still the best Batmobile ever designed in my eyes. So many positives in this movie for me.
When Joker says “You idiot! You made me, remember? You dropped me in that vat of chemicals. That wasn’t easy to get over and don’t think I didn’t try.” That always made me chuckle for some reason lol
What I love about this movie is that, before being a Batman movie, it's definitely a Tim Burton movie. You can totally tell who directed it, and gave it those Gothic and dark tones. It was my first Batman flick and it keeps a tender spot in my heart. I like how Bruce Wayne is so awkward yet changes drastically when he goes in being the Batman. Introverts know how hard is to feel at ease unless you've got the occasion of a role to play or a job to do. And that's EXACTLY what Michael Keaton is doing here. He feels very out of place at being himself, until he wears the cape and knows exactly what to do. And Jack Nicholson feels more like a caricature, being Joker, while Heath Ledger was more of a true blue psychopath. The first was more out of a comic, the second more of a realistic movie. Masterpiece.
Thanks. Batman '89 is certainly iconic. It represented the next step in serious superhero movies, after Superman & Superman II. And it has the distinction that more ideas, attitudes, & imagery have been lifted from this one film and used in others ever since. Tim Burton made a truly dark Batman that was 180° from the 1966 version. The costume & set designs, the music, the character portrayals, the vehicles - all set a precedent. There was nothing else like it. tavi.
I used to rent this movie every day from the library when I was a kid, I love the bat mobile in this movie, it is definitely my favorite depiction of it.
Same here mate. This movie and that batmobile is also my favourite as the Gold Coast' Movieworld once had Batman the Ride 3d which was an awesome time for fans.
Batman 1989 is by far and away the best of them all in my opinion. Christopher Reeve is Superman, Robert Downy Jr. is Ironman and by god, Micheal Keaton is Batman. This video nails everything.
You’re totally right about Keaton. That’s what made it work. He doesn’t have to say a lot and yet you can clearly see that there so much going on in his head and he expresses that through his little quirks and mannerisms.
This was a very good movie, when it came out, and it aged well, IMHO. Michael Keaton was astonishingly good, Jack Nicholson seamlessly delivered the creepy fun and Kim Basinger successfully made most of the guys re-watch the movie - both to re-enjoy her beauty as well as to catch up on the story itself.
No mention of the soundtrack. Danny Elfman's batman theme was SO good and the songs by Prince are still holding up. But your analysis of this Batman was spot on!
That's crazy my favorite Batman is Val Kilmer 😆 Just because hes a bigger guy and his voice would have me believe he would be taken more seriously... I honestly thought I was the only person that shared that opinion about Val being the best batman
I watched many content creators rate this movie, and none found this to be the worst Batman. In fact.. Most were split between this and The Dark Knight. For me... It's not even close... The look, the portrayal of Bruce Wayne who is not sure who he is most the time, a joker who is a mastermind commanding his goons and minions rather than a one man army... Tim Burton's Batman is still the best..
Notice how at the end movie Batman no longer talks in the low voice, since both Joker and Vale know his identity? Little touches like that that most people don't catch are just some of the many things I love about this flick.
My makeup technique would be... Just put white make up on the handkerchief. When he wipes it off he's really wiping it on. Seems a lot easier and probably just as convincing.
I have to disqualify Conroy and Hamill when discussing 'best' versions. Animation just isn't fairly judged against live action imo. but to each their own.
I'm an 80's baby so I'm heavily biased in saying this was the best batman out there. "Ever dance with the devil in the pale moon light?" Get the f&ck out of here if you think that line has ever been topped! Also "Never rub another man's rhubarb!" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@RedEyeReviews To me he's less a protagonist with heart of gold and more a man filled with vengeance. The twist is his moral code that stops him from "just" killing the bad guys because many times he punches and knocks out cops, smashes property and straight up stalks people. All wonderful traits of a "hero" lol 😆
I remember seeing this the summer it came out. I was about 12 and the family went on a trip to Southern California to visit relatives. I got to go out to see it at a late show. It was pretty awesome. Then we went to Disneyland the next day. Great trip.
Mark Hamill is THE voice of Joker. Heath Ledger is the absolute best rendition of the Joker. Jack Nicholson was the original Joker (outside of the Adam West series) And I think everyone can agree Jared Leto was the worst Joker.
@@dumbasamoose3382 nah..I honestly never understood the love of it. I think people were enjoying the "I'm crazy and make no real sense but I do crazy deadly things" unhinged part. But I don't think of joker like that. I read the comics and I see Jack Nicholson. I just saw heath ledger as the Wannabe jack Nicholson but aimed toward emo/ wannabe metal head teens. he didn't really make sense as much as he was just wannabe crazy. not that he's bad. just that when people say he's the best that ever jokered I don't see it. then we got this latest movie where it was joker becoming joker and that was for all the incels lol. And with that, I I see the problem with Jared Leto joker in a way. we give him shit for the tats, but his mannerisms was jack Nicholson to me. I think everyone just mad he didn't play a huge role in a movie they thought would give him a huge role. he played crazy background and to me, that made sense. he was just the background to Harley, and because he's so iconic, he's a very standout piece to anyone theirbackgrounds, but he did belong in the background being joker.
Yea! You do shop at half price books!! I assumed when you said you found Gone in 60 seconds at a used bookstore lol. I go there a lot to hit up their DVD clearance section...yesterday I passed on a Seagal collection...reason I wanted it was because it had above the law which I've never found it to be sold separately in clearance...but I didn't want shitty glimmer man and fire down below in my collection.
"if you don't know by now ... he's Batman". Geesh, spoilers. When I was 12, this was my favorite movie. I agree Gotham is amazing. In the 2000s and 2010s these giant cities have become common, but back in the 1980s they were not. Blade Runner had done something similar in 1982 without the comic edge, but largely this was not tried. I don't think it's odd to say the city is better than Nolan's because at points he has a lack of interest in making a new Gotham. In The Dark Knight, it's almost literally Chicago and in The Dark Knight Rises it's almost literally New York and not the same city as the previous movie. Part of this is about how Nolan's work has been evolving. His eye has evolved a long way since Batman and he had a bit of an attitude change. Anton Furst won an academy award for the production design. Unfortunately his story takes a sad turn. He signed a contract with Jon Peters which would allow him to direct starting with a Michael Jackson picture, but that didn't materialize and he was kept from working on Batman Returns by the deal. In the midst of a divorce and facing depression, he ended his life in 1991. Just another reason to hate Jon Peters other than the giant spider. I also think the production design gets worse with each of the next 3 films. I don't think that's at all controversial for Schumacher films. I'm not sure why people think there's anything wrong with Keaton. I get he seemed like a weird choice at the time coming off Beetlejuice especially. If he had to fight outside the costume it might be more of an issue. He's far more reserved than most of his 1980's performances. There's an argument that he doesn't fit the Batman character because he does seem like a human outside the costume. But I don't think that's much different with Kilmer and Clooney, but they are also too flawless as you suggest. Bale's Batman is closest to the post-Silver age character. Ben Affleck is probably too light. He seems to have never been given the right superhero. I suspect the biggest problem with Keaton that he's not the star of the first film. The film could be called Joker. This interpretation of Joker from Nicholson as chaos has influenced the comics and is at the root of what Ledger did in a different way. And because Keaton isn't the star of this film it leaves him in an odd place for the next film. My big issue more than anything is the end. The Joker, he's won. The all is lost moment. Batman is dangling there. But then Batman pulls out a wire and catches Joker. Joker has had an unrealistic answer to everything, but now he can't get rid of this wire and he falls to is animated death. To me it always had this feeling like the actor telling us it's time to off the character instead of actually being beat. It's a death he could have avoided. For that reason, I've always liked that the Joker was left dangling in The Dark Knight. It's too bad that Nolan couldn't follow-up on Joker.
worst? this is easily one of the best. No batnipples, no blacklight neon bs, the villain is menacing, the story actually moves along at a real pace, everything about this version of batman was a homerun.
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Wait. Did you say people think this is the worst Batman movie? Almost every list online or person I talked to has it near the top. It's Batman 2 people hated.
I always loved this movie and had no idea people didn't like it. Returns is my favourite followed by Forever. Will you ever review the other Batman Movies?
I'm part of the contingent that doesn't think Ledger's Joker is the best Joker. He's a version of the Joker but there hasn't been a great live action Joker. Hamill is still the measuring stick for that role.
This is my favorite Batman film and favorite Batman,i remember i was 5 or 6 when i saw this in theaters so it holds a special place in my heart,and it was everywhere at the Time,TV, merchandising and i believe the Batman animated series was heavily inspired by this,and this Batman did kill a shit load of people lol great review
This movie was a big part of my childhood and is my favorite version of Batman. But I did have an issue even as a kid with it being a really slow movie. That didn't stop me from watching it 50 times but now that I'm older and there's a million Batman's to what it's not my go-to. But on the other hand Batman Returns is my absolute favorite Batman movie by far. I don't think batman-returns is slow and boring at all I thought Catwoman was the sexiest thing I've ever seen and Danny DeVito's born to play somebody like the penguin. I also like the Batman with Robert Pattinson. This is my unpopular opinion, but I really do not like the Christopher Nolan Batman movies😮
Whenever people talk about the interpretation of comic book characters, I'm fascinated to see how they play out. So, Redeye, your analysis of Keaton's Batman is fascinating because you emphasize the humanity of the character. In the end, he's a guy with a lot of money, a bunch of gadgets, and too much free time. But the prevalent "thinking" about Batman is that he's not human. He is good at everything, the best, and not just "the best" the way a person might be the best at something, but so good at everything he does he can hang with Superman and Wonder Woman as an equal if not their superior. But my favorite Batman stories are very much the ones that emphasize his "humanness," like the Year One storyline, or the Long Halloween, where the enemies are crazy gangsters and Batman is more rooted in "the real world." On the other hand, Affleck's Batman gets guff for using guns because... Batman lore is only real if is drawn from the Comics Code era? Why is that? For many years, Batman had a gun and killed people. There are many people today who love Batman who very much think he should ditch the "code against killing" and adopt firearms use (often mentioning that it *is* part of the character's lore.) But then Synder is, like, "We can draw inspiration from the pre-Code Batman, as well as the Midnighter, to create a cinematic Batman that is both true to the lore of the character but novel." Nope. No good. That's WRONG and BAD. On the other hand, the same fans can be incredibly forgiving. When the Iron Man movie came out - the first one - the Iron Man character was... essentially Doctor Doom. He was running an extradimensional, soul-sucking prison and had a team of, basically, assassins working for him (led by the Green Goblin.) But ignoring the recent lore of Iron Man was just fine in that case. I find it all very confusing. There seem to be no rules as to what the fans will or won't tolerate for a given character relative to their comics lore, or what lore "counts," or what have you.
Just spent the morning catching up on all the videos I've missed. They are great and getting even better. I've watched 4 movies I'd never heard of over the weekend thanks to your reviews!
Thank you so much! I am so happy that my videos have made you want to go watch movies :) That's my whole goal. I still need to watch that other black and white movie you suggested. I'll plan that for this weekend :)
fully agree with evrything you said , my fave part & maybe should been mentioned is the way bruce wayne figures out joker k*lled his parents with the best line in any batman flick , " have you ever danced wit hthe devil in the pale moonlight " a;so fun fact I film rare supercars and went to a all hypercar track day , so Paganis and stuff and someone showed up in this actual batmobile , its on my channel, I think its crazier than all the times i filmed Drakes cars
I wasn't a huge fan of keaton's Bruce Wayne but his Batman was great. A bit too lightly built maybe but otherwise he did great. What frustrated me quite a bit though was that Batman is one of the best fighters in the whole DC universe and in this movie he was barely average.
If you want a superhero movie to review that will make you laugh Condorman 1981 it was disney trying to launch superhero movie series back then it def didn't work but hey it's a good laugh.
For me this is batman the greatest batman movie ever made in my opinion jack Nicholson is by far the best joker. would you agree if they just used Michael Keaton the franchise would of gone far val Kilmer bad batman Tommy Lee Jones was trying hard to be jack Nicholson as 2face Joel was basically trying so hard to match batman 1989 🤣 you agree.
Who in the hell ever said that Keaton's batman is the worst, and who thinks that this Gotham being amazing is an unpopular opinion? I've literally never heard either of those things in my life lol love your reviews, but I don't know where you got that information from. lol I don't think Keaton's Batman requires any defense. I think it was perfect for what it was.
Lovely perspective of such a dark and iconic gem. You know when you were talking about how the creation of the stylised Gotham was done so well back then, I was just thinking, cgi has it's place, sure, but nowadays it is SO saturated in everything. It sucks giant fuckin' hairy arse. And it made me realise that those incredible matt paintings, like that one there about 4:27, they need to bring those back. John Carpenter's The Thing, RoboCop and Blade Runner are just a few others which are amazing for that. Albert Whitlock did them and they look bloody real. There's so much thought and careful attention to where the lighting would be and it's just magic 🥰😊 And one other thing, butt. You mentioned how your favourite Batman is Val Kilmer due to some odd biased feelings, but then you proceed to show George Clooney 5:50 😅😆😂🤣
I agree completely with your take on Batman (1989). I think Keaton was great as Batman. Plus, now knowing he created the deep voice affectation for the character makes his portrayal even more valuable. And yes, Nicholson's portrayal of Joker is also one of my favorite versions. My only issue with Tim Burton was what I consider to be his biggest F-up, Dark Shadows. Burton known for a dark edge to his films I thought would be perfect for Dark Shadows. Sadly, he turns into a horrible comedy. My guess is, like George Lucas, he is surrounded by a lot of Yes Men who just want to be involved in anything he makes. At some point during the production of Dark Shadows someone had to realize what a comedic disaster it was. Burton should forever stay away from outright comedy. Personally, I hope someone comes along and reboots Dark Shadows properly. Anything to wash away that horrible memory of Burton's destruction of an iconic series like Dark Shadows. I think Burton did great work with the first Alice in Wonderland movie, using his darkness to bring a wonderful edge to the story.
How can this be the worst Batman in popular opinion? I grew up with this version, and it’s still my favorite Batman movie. I love Keaton as Batman, too. I reckon Kilmer and Clooney were the worst, but that’s not necessarily their fault
to be honest, there are ZERO bad batman movies. they all are great. It took me a while to get into the newer darker batman, but that wasn't the movies fault. I just felt everything at that time was becoming dark. like everything. TV shows, movies, etc. we, in America, went through a "I can be dark and gritty" phase and it was becoming boring.
This movie is great. I love it and tbe sequel and didn’t like any of the others before Christian Bale. The new one with the sparkly vampire guy - at first I thought UGGH but now Im a little excited.
Nicholson’s Joker is by far the best Joker portrayal on film to date and Ledgers portrayal is one of the most overrated performances on film of all time. In fact Dark Knight isn’t that great a movie at all and Batman Begins is Nolan’s best Batman. Also Nicholson agreed to a lower salary upfront to be in the film but agreed to do it on the condition that he get a percentage of the gross of the MERCHANDISING of the film and THAT is his magical money move he made on this film. Any Batman the movie licensed product that was on sale in 1989 Jack got a piece of and that to me is legendary. I believe that the Tim Burton Batman films are the best and that the Nolan films are just OK. Ledgers performance gets hyped because of his untimely death but ultimately his performance is lackluster like the rest of Dark Knight.
Keaton is best Batman. Nicholson is best Joker. Nothing else matters - It's all crap. edit: Oh, yeah, definitely the best Batmobile, too. This is the perfect comic book Batman movie and the only one that got it right.
There is a visual appeal and design, a mystique, characterizations and moments in this film, with its incredible iconic score that are as good or better than Batman has ever appeared on screen. And I would argue that if they had made Batman more conflicted about wanting to kill the Joker at the end, more resistant to those impulses as a plot point despite his justified anger, with a little more emphasis on Batman’s motivation/methods (not necessarily as in depth as Begins) then this would be the best Batman movie. As it stands it’s what I grew up on and watched hundreds of times, but it’s like the best Batman in moments and sequences but not necessarily as a total movie.
I feel sorry for you that you grew up thinking Batman Forever and Batman & Robin were good movies or better portrayals of Batman than Michael Keaton's version.
Not sure what you think is so controversial about your opinions on this movie. As much shit as i talked when they announced Mr. Mom as batman I gladly ate my words when this and Returns came out. Keaton is the best batman bruce combo of all time in my opinion, and cocaine infused Jack Nicolson Joker... ummm may i have some more sur. This and returns are my favorite Batman live action movies of all time The Batman is a great flick don't get me wrong, but the Burton Batman movies are where it's at.
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I've never heard anyone say Keaton was a bad Batman, he is typically mentioned as being great. He was believable as both the bat and Wayne.
Fun fact: My high school gym teacher made us dance/exercise to the Prince songs from the Batman soundtrack 😂
Whoever said this Batman was the worst is obviously jaded or touched in the head. George Clooney and Val Kilmer are definitely on the low end of best Batman's...
Jack Nicholson as the Joker was one of the best casting choices in cinema. Happy to see you've started the Batman films.
I agree. Alot of people don't like it because of how over the top and strange he is. But that is the essence of the Joker. I think people forget that the Joker has been written many different ways. He isn't always brooding and depressed. He can also use big silly guns that say POW and tell jokes. Which Jack Nicholson nailed!
100% agree! One of my favourite moments is when he puts on the glasses during the final fight and says "You wouldn't hit a man with glasses would ya?" That for me perfectly summarised his character! Mark Hamill is also fantastic!
@@Film_Bro exactly. In that moment I literally said "Haha what a Joker" and then realized it and went. Oh yeah....that's exactly what he is
I saw this in movies and that stood out. Was perfect.
@@RedEyeReviews You uh...you should Jack movies for a month. Five Easy Pieces
I love Keaton's portrayal. I can't understand why you wouldn't like it. It's far more relatable than any other superhero. It actually feels like he is a human being
Never heard that some people thought this was the worst Batman and never heard that people thought Christopher Nolan's Gotham City was the superior version to Tim Burton's. (I mean Nolan's Gotham is just a city with NO character). We must run in very different circles Mr. RedEye
Interesting tidbits:
-This was a Joker movie first. Hence the focus.
-This Joker is the crime boss, Golden Age, version. No other version portrays him that way. Adam West Batman (Cesar Romano [spelling?]) was the practical joke centered and non-threatening censored Silver Age version.
- This version cannot ever be considered the worst. Just as a technical point, as it is the basis to which all others must compare for a cinematic source. You notice the lack of martial arts, the single villian, and a very limited scope. All the other 90s and more have more villians and are trying to cover more ground. This stayed on 1 point.
-Having the old VHS, if you don't remember the cola commercial tie-in, that was a HUGE part of how VHS and home movies' costs were brought down. This is another monumental inclusion for its importance to home video ownership as well
I love this Batman movie, it's as old as me. I love the look Tim Burton gave this movie. Keaton was great and Nicholson was great. The Batmobile is still the best Batmobile ever designed in my eyes. So many positives in this movie for me.
When Joker says “You idiot! You made me, remember? You dropped me in that vat of chemicals. That wasn’t easy to get over and don’t think I didn’t try.” That always made me chuckle for some reason lol
What I love about this movie is that, before being a Batman movie, it's definitely a Tim Burton movie. You can totally tell who directed it, and gave it those Gothic and dark tones. It was my first Batman flick and it keeps a tender spot in my heart. I like how Bruce Wayne is so awkward yet changes drastically when he goes in being the Batman. Introverts know how hard is to feel at ease unless you've got the occasion of a role to play or a job to do. And that's EXACTLY what Michael Keaton is doing here. He feels very out of place at being himself, until he wears the cape and knows exactly what to do. And Jack Nicholson feels more like a caricature, being Joker, while Heath Ledger was more of a true blue psychopath. The first was more out of a comic, the second more of a realistic movie. Masterpiece.
Thanks. Batman '89 is certainly iconic. It represented the next step in serious superhero movies, after Superman & Superman II. And it has the distinction that more ideas, attitudes, & imagery have been lifted from this one film and used in others ever since. Tim Burton made a truly dark Batman that was 180° from the 1966 version. The costume & set designs, the music, the character portrayals, the vehicles - all set a precedent. There was nothing else like it. tavi.
I used to rent this movie every day from the library when I was a kid, I love the bat mobile in this movie, it is definitely my favorite depiction of it.
That's amazing. I agree the batmobile is awesome in this movie
Same here mate. This movie and that batmobile is also my favourite as the Gold Coast' Movieworld once had Batman the Ride 3d which was an awesome time for fans.
the 60s batmobile and the tumbler and this are my top 3.
Batman 1989 is by far and away the best of them all in my opinion. Christopher Reeve is Superman, Robert Downy Jr. is Ironman and by god, Micheal Keaton is Batman. This video nails everything.
You’re totally right about Keaton. That’s what made it work. He doesn’t have to say a lot and yet you can clearly see that there so much going on in his head and he expresses that through his little quirks and mannerisms.
This was a very good movie, when it came out, and it aged well, IMHO. Michael Keaton was astonishingly good, Jack Nicholson seamlessly delivered the creepy fun and Kim Basinger successfully made most of the guys re-watch the movie - both to re-enjoy her beauty as well as to catch up on the story itself.
The BEST Batman...PERIOD
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Batman is legendary movie that is ABSOLUTELY AWESOME and STUNNINGLY AMAZING
It sure is my friend
I agree with your opinions 100%. First time I’ve heard someone voice my thoughts.
Great job a usual. Imo the M Keaton batman in my favorite period, I've had these debates with my brother and friends. To each their own.
No mention of the soundtrack. Danny Elfman's batman theme was SO good and the songs by Prince are still holding up. But your analysis of this Batman was spot on!
The art deco style thrown in was also a nice touch
To think, Michael Keaton's portrayal of Beetlejuice should have gotten him the role of Joker rather than Batman!
Batman and Robin is the comedic review we want. Of course with the popular movies copyright is strong
Indeed. Copyright is very mean for these movies. But we will try
That's crazy my favorite Batman is Val Kilmer 😆 Just because hes a bigger guy and his voice would have me believe he would be taken more seriously... I honestly thought I was the only person that shared that opinion about Val being the best batman
I love Val! His batman just feels the most balanced of serious and comic book.
Keaton was great as Batman. I don't believe anyone thinks otherwise.
I watched many content creators rate this movie, and none found this to be the worst Batman. In fact.. Most were split between this and The Dark Knight. For me... It's not even close... The look, the portrayal of Bruce Wayne who is not sure who he is most the time, a joker who is a mastermind commanding his goons and minions rather than a one man army... Tim Burton's Batman is still the best..
Best Bruce Wayne, best Gotham, best Joker, best Batman movie ever made, without a doubt
Jack Nicholson joker was my joker, hes the template ledgers joker is the gold standard.
This is very well said. I completely agree.
Notice how at the end movie Batman no longer talks in the low voice, since both Joker and Vale know his identity? Little touches like that that most people don't catch are just some of the many things I love about this flick.
My makeup technique would be... Just put white make up on the handkerchief. When he wipes it off he's really wiping it on. Seems a lot easier and probably just as convincing.
I have to disqualify Conroy and Hamill when discussing 'best' versions. Animation just isn't fairly judged against live action imo. but to each their own.
Legend has it Jack Nicholson is still living off of the money he made from this movie.
I would believe it
I'm an 80's baby so I'm heavily biased in saying this was the best batman out there. "Ever dance with the devil in the pale moon light?" Get the f&ck out of here if you think that line has ever been topped! Also "Never rub another man's rhubarb!" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Right?! His batman was weird and whacky. And it should be. It's a billionaire running around in a rubber bat suit at night. It's silly at it's core.
@@RedEyeReviews To me he's less a protagonist with heart of gold and more a man filled with vengeance. The twist is his moral code that stops him from "just" killing the bad guys because many times he punches and knocks out cops, smashes property and straight up stalks people. All wonderful traits of a "hero" lol 😆
@@Sillyworld82 exactly. You like him for all the right reasons lol
I remember seeing this the summer it came out. I was about 12 and the family went on a trip to Southern California to visit relatives. I got to go out to see it at a late show. It was pretty awesome. Then we went to Disneyland the next day. Great trip.
Mark Hamill is THE voice of Joker. Heath Ledger is the absolute best rendition of the Joker. Jack Nicholson was the original Joker (outside of the Adam West series)
And I think everyone can agree Jared Leto was the worst Joker.
Heath Ledger was an overrated joker.
Ahh yes the contrarian troll emerges. 😆
@@dumbasamoose3382 nah..I honestly never understood the love of it. I think people were enjoying the "I'm crazy and make no real sense but I do crazy deadly things" unhinged part. But I don't think of joker like that. I read the comics and I see Jack Nicholson.
I just saw heath ledger as the Wannabe jack Nicholson but aimed toward emo/ wannabe metal head teens. he didn't really make sense as much as he was just wannabe crazy.
not that he's bad. just that when people say he's the best that ever jokered I don't see it. then we got this latest movie where it was joker becoming joker and that was for all the incels lol.
And with that, I I see the problem with Jared Leto joker in a way. we give him shit for the tats, but his mannerisms was jack Nicholson to me. I think everyone just mad he didn't play a huge role in a movie they thought would give him a huge role. he played crazy background and to me, that made sense. he was just the background to Harley, and because he's so iconic, he's a very standout piece to anyone theirbackgrounds, but he did belong in the background being joker.
@@agonleed3841 🤷♂️ to each their own. What may be right for you may not be right for some. The world don't move to the beat of just one drum lol
@@dumbasamoose3382 yes it does. lol
in a certain way, Jack Nicholson's character in Departed is like the continuation of his Joker
There has never been a more murderous version of the Joker.
Who in the world thinks Keaton was a bad Batman?
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Yea! You do shop at half price books!! I assumed when you said you found Gone in 60 seconds at a used bookstore lol. I go there a lot to hit up their DVD clearance section...yesterday I passed on a Seagal collection...reason I wanted it was because it had above the law which I've never found it to be sold separately in clearance...but I didn't want shitty glimmer man and fire down below in my collection.
I love Half Priced! It's where I get a ton of my movies actually.
"if you don't know by now ... he's Batman". Geesh, spoilers.
When I was 12, this was my favorite movie.
I agree Gotham is amazing. In the 2000s and 2010s these giant cities have become common, but back in the 1980s they were not. Blade Runner had done something similar in 1982 without the comic edge, but largely this was not tried.
I don't think it's odd to say the city is better than Nolan's because at points he has a lack of interest in making a new Gotham. In The Dark Knight, it's almost literally Chicago and in The Dark Knight Rises it's almost literally New York and not the same city as the previous movie. Part of this is about how Nolan's work has been evolving. His eye has evolved a long way since Batman and he had a bit of an attitude change.
Anton Furst won an academy award for the production design. Unfortunately his story takes a sad turn. He signed a contract with Jon Peters which would allow him to direct starting with a Michael Jackson picture, but that didn't materialize and he was kept from working on Batman Returns by the deal. In the midst of a divorce and facing depression, he ended his life in 1991. Just another reason to hate Jon Peters other than the giant spider.
I also think the production design gets worse with each of the next 3 films. I don't think that's at all controversial for Schumacher films.
I'm not sure why people think there's anything wrong with Keaton. I get he seemed like a weird choice at the time coming off Beetlejuice especially. If he had to fight outside the costume it might be more of an issue. He's far more reserved than most of his 1980's performances.
There's an argument that he doesn't fit the Batman character because he does seem like a human outside the costume. But I don't think that's much different with Kilmer and Clooney, but they are also too flawless as you suggest. Bale's Batman is closest to the post-Silver age character. Ben Affleck is probably too light. He seems to have never been given the right superhero.
I suspect the biggest problem with Keaton that he's not the star of the first film. The film could be called Joker. This interpretation of Joker from Nicholson as chaos has influenced the comics and is at the root of what Ledger did in a different way. And because Keaton isn't the star of this film it leaves him in an odd place for the next film.
My big issue more than anything is the end. The Joker, he's won. The all is lost moment. Batman is dangling there. But then Batman pulls out a wire and catches Joker. Joker has had an unrealistic answer to everything, but now he can't get rid of this wire and he falls to is animated death. To me it always had this feeling like the actor telling us it's time to off the character instead of actually being beat. It's a death he could have avoided. For that reason, I've always liked that the Joker was left dangling in The Dark Knight. It's too bad that Nolan couldn't follow-up on Joker.
worst?
this is easily one of the best. No batnipples, no blacklight neon bs, the villain is menacing, the story actually moves along at a real pace, everything about this version of batman was a homerun.
Also PRINCE made the music for that museum scene
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Keaton one of the best batmans, he was not afraid to smoke fools
I concur with your comments on the way they did gotham
Thank you! It's just awesome
This is the best batman to date. No other can touch it.
the animated batmobile is my fav, and then dark knight tumbler. this one is the most iconic tho, made better in the cartoon
I’d argue this is the most influential super hero movie of all time.
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Wait. Did you say people think this is the worst Batman movie? Almost every list online or person I talked to has it near the top. It's Batman 2 people hated.
many TH-cam comments really shit on this movie with comments all under it agreeing.
Every time I hear “bat wing” I think of the movie ‘Waiting’
Oh yeah still the greatest Batman (89) of all time.
I always loved this movie and had no idea people didn't like it. Returns is my favourite followed by Forever. Will you ever review the other Batman Movies?
I'm part of the contingent that doesn't think Ledger's Joker is the best Joker. He's a version of the Joker but there hasn't been a great live action Joker. Hamill is still the measuring stick for that role.
This is my favorite Batman film and favorite Batman,i remember i was 5 or 6 when i saw this in theaters so it holds a special place in my heart,and it was everywhere at the Time,TV, merchandising and i believe the Batman animated series was heavily inspired by this,and this Batman did kill a shit load of people lol great review
Best batmobile for sure!
This movie was a big part of my childhood and is my favorite version of Batman. But I did have an issue even as a kid with it being a really slow movie. That didn't stop me from watching it 50 times but now that I'm older and there's a million Batman's to what it's not my go-to. But on the other hand Batman Returns is my absolute favorite Batman movie by far. I don't think batman-returns is slow and boring at all I thought Catwoman was the sexiest thing I've ever seen and Danny DeVito's born to play somebody like the penguin. I also like the Batman with Robert Pattinson. This is my unpopular opinion, but I really do not like the Christopher Nolan Batman movies😮
Whenever people talk about the interpretation of comic book characters, I'm fascinated to see how they play out. So, Redeye, your analysis of Keaton's Batman is fascinating because you emphasize the humanity of the character. In the end, he's a guy with a lot of money, a bunch of gadgets, and too much free time. But the prevalent "thinking" about Batman is that he's not human. He is good at everything, the best, and not just "the best" the way a person might be the best at something, but so good at everything he does he can hang with Superman and Wonder Woman as an equal if not their superior. But my favorite Batman stories are very much the ones that emphasize his "humanness," like the Year One storyline, or the Long Halloween, where the enemies are crazy gangsters and Batman is more rooted in "the real world."
On the other hand, Affleck's Batman gets guff for using guns because... Batman lore is only real if is drawn from the Comics Code era? Why is that? For many years, Batman had a gun and killed people. There are many people today who love Batman who very much think he should ditch the "code against killing" and adopt firearms use (often mentioning that it *is* part of the character's lore.) But then Synder is, like, "We can draw inspiration from the pre-Code Batman, as well as the Midnighter, to create a cinematic Batman that is both true to the lore of the character but novel." Nope. No good. That's WRONG and BAD.
On the other hand, the same fans can be incredibly forgiving. When the Iron Man movie came out - the first one - the Iron Man character was... essentially Doctor Doom. He was running an extradimensional, soul-sucking prison and had a team of, basically, assassins working for him (led by the Green Goblin.) But ignoring the recent lore of Iron Man was just fine in that case.
I find it all very confusing. There seem to be no rules as to what the fans will or won't tolerate for a given character relative to their comics lore, or what lore "counts," or what have you.
Just spent the morning catching up on all the videos I've missed. They are great and getting even better. I've watched 4 movies I'd never heard of over the weekend thanks to your reviews!
Thank you so much! I am so happy that my videos have made you want to go watch movies :) That's my whole goal. I still need to watch that other black and white movie you suggested. I'll plan that for this weekend :)
It's not his Batman. It's his Bruce Wayne. Yes his Batman has issues but the Bruce Wayne is the issue
fast forward a year since you made this and New York is Gotham city now
fully agree with evrything you said , my fave part & maybe should been mentioned is the way bruce wayne figures out joker k*lled his parents with the best line in any batman flick , " have you ever danced wit hthe devil in the pale moonlight " a;so fun fact I film rare supercars and went to a all hypercar track day , so Paganis and stuff and someone showed up in this actual batmobile , its on my channel, I think its crazier than all the times i filmed Drakes cars
I love the way batman turns/ looks around with his stiff neck 😀
There are people walking around on this planet right now that think this is the worst Batman movie? Mind blown!
well you can't square up voice acting only to live performance acting. it's a fraction of the job / role portrayal
I wasn't a huge fan of keaton's Bruce Wayne but his Batman was great. A bit too lightly built maybe but otherwise he did great. What frustrated me quite a bit though was that Batman is one of the best fighters in the whole DC universe and in this movie he was barely average.
If you want a superhero movie to review that will make you laugh Condorman 1981 it was disney trying to launch superhero movie series back then it def didn't work but hey it's a good laugh.
Ooooo. I will definitely have to watch that.
i would love to see you do the paul verhoeven films (robocop, total recall, starship troopers)
I LOVE those movies. I should definitely add them to the list!
@@RedEyeReviews thought you would.
i miss those hyperviolent films of the 80s to 90s.
Of the batman movie or actor, this is one is the best. Stand alone it's awesome. Best batman and joker. Imo but it is
For me this is batman the greatest batman movie ever made in my opinion jack Nicholson is by far the best joker. would you agree if they just used Michael Keaton the franchise would of gone far val Kilmer bad batman Tommy Lee Jones was trying hard to be jack Nicholson as 2face Joel was basically trying so hard to match batman 1989 🤣 you agree.
I do agree! He is a great Batman! He played it correctly because Batman is a little crazy if you think about it.
@@RedEyeReviews can you react to batman and robin it is my guilty pleasure
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@@RedEyeReviews do you reckon jim carrey would ever play the joker I think he would of been a great joker
Who in the hell ever said that Keaton's batman is the worst, and who thinks that this Gotham being amazing is an unpopular opinion? I've literally never heard either of those things in my life lol love your reviews, but I don't know where you got that information from. lol I don't think Keaton's Batman requires any defense. I think it was perfect for what it was.
Lovely perspective of such a dark and iconic gem. You know when you were talking about how the creation of the stylised Gotham was done so well back then, I was just thinking, cgi has it's place, sure, but nowadays it is SO saturated in everything. It sucks giant fuckin' hairy arse. And it made me realise that those incredible matt paintings, like that one there about 4:27, they need to bring those back. John Carpenter's The Thing, RoboCop and Blade Runner are just a few others which are amazing for that. Albert Whitlock did them and they look bloody real. There's so much thought and careful attention to where the lighting would be and it's just magic 🥰😊
And one other thing, butt. You mentioned how your favourite Batman is Val Kilmer due to some odd biased feelings, but then you proceed to show George Clooney 5:50 😅😆😂🤣
I totally agree! Practical scenery just feels so much better.
Lol wait did I for real?! Didn't even mean to do that
@@RedEyeReviews Didn't even mean to do that? Yeah right, talk about mixed emotions 😝😜
Best less pay deal. Alec guiness as obi wan. 2 1/2 percent of merchandise sales.
❤this Batman! Great review.
Based on aspects of New York, other IRL and animated choose Jersey like
Keaton is by far the best Batman and Bruce Wayne.
Keaton as Batman looks great but Keaton as Bruce Wayne no. This is my favorite BatMobile and loved the BatWing.
I agree completely with your take on Batman (1989). I think Keaton was great as Batman. Plus, now knowing he created the deep voice affectation for the character makes his portrayal even more valuable. And yes, Nicholson's portrayal of Joker is also one of my favorite versions.
My only issue with Tim Burton was what I consider to be his biggest F-up, Dark Shadows. Burton known for a dark edge to his films I thought would be perfect for Dark Shadows. Sadly, he turns into a horrible comedy. My guess is, like George Lucas, he is surrounded by a lot of Yes Men who just want to be involved in anything he makes. At some point during the production of Dark Shadows someone had to realize what a comedic disaster it was. Burton should forever stay away from outright comedy. Personally, I hope someone comes along and reboots Dark Shadows properly. Anything to wash away that horrible memory of Burton's destruction of an iconic series like Dark Shadows.
I think Burton did great work with the first Alice in Wonderland movie, using his darkness to bring a wonderful edge to the story.
How can this be the worst Batman in popular opinion? I grew up with this version, and it’s still my favorite Batman movie. I love Keaton as Batman, too. I reckon Kilmer and Clooney were the worst, but that’s not necessarily their fault
to be honest, there are ZERO bad batman movies. they all are great. It took me a while to get into the newer darker batman, but that wasn't the movies fault. I just felt everything at that time was becoming dark. like everything. TV shows, movies, etc. we, in America, went through a "I can be dark and gritty" phase and it was becoming boring.
Anyone else realize Batman and Ironmans superpower is being rich.
This is my favorite. Maybe because I’m an 80’s kid. I hate the campiness of the Bale version.
What joker considers this the worst Batman movie?
This movie is great. I love it and tbe sequel and didn’t like any of the others before Christian Bale.
The new one with the sparkly vampire guy - at first I thought UGGH but now Im a little excited.
What the fuck? WHO considers this the worst Batman movie? Literally no one.
Kilmer was the best batman, Clooney the best Wayne, Keaton was the best all around (not counting later movies)
100 000 000 for MiB 3??? Actually, Chris Rock should've slapped Will Smith for that movie.
Who the hell considers this the worst Batman movie? Burtons Batman are the best Batman movies...
It’s not based off of New york it’s based off of Cleveland
Nicholson’s Joker is by far the best Joker portrayal on film to date and Ledgers portrayal is one of the most overrated performances on film of all time. In fact Dark Knight isn’t that great a movie at all and Batman Begins is Nolan’s best Batman.
Also Nicholson agreed to a lower salary upfront to be in the film but agreed to do it on the condition that he get a percentage of the gross of the MERCHANDISING of the film and THAT is his magical money move he made on this film. Any Batman the movie licensed product that was on sale in 1989 Jack got a piece of and that to me is legendary.
I believe that the Tim Burton Batman films are the best and that the Nolan films are just OK. Ledgers performance gets hyped because of his untimely death but ultimately his performance is lackluster like the rest of Dark Knight.
Still the best batman movie ever
Keaton is best Batman.
Nicholson is best Joker.
Nothing else matters - It's all crap.
edit: Oh, yeah, definitely the best Batmobile, too.
This is the perfect comic book Batman movie and the only one that got it right.
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Agreed!
There is a visual appeal and design, a mystique, characterizations and moments in this film, with its incredible iconic score that are as good or better than Batman has ever appeared on screen. And I would argue that if they had made Batman more conflicted about wanting to kill the Joker at the end, more resistant to those impulses as a plot point despite his justified anger, with a little more emphasis on Batman’s motivation/methods (not necessarily as in depth as Begins) then this would be the best Batman movie.
As it stands it’s what I grew up on and watched hundreds of times, but it’s like the best Batman in moments and sequences but not necessarily as a total movie.
Clumsy? How the hell would you be walking after a plane crash and some fist fights in the dark? He's not an actual bat you know. 🤣
Yeah, Buttman is great.
I feel sorry for you that you grew up thinking Batman Forever and Batman & Robin were good movies or better portrayals of Batman than Michael Keaton's version.
Not sure what you think is so controversial about your opinions on this movie. As much shit as i talked when they announced Mr. Mom as batman I gladly ate my words when this and Returns came out. Keaton is the best batman bruce combo of all time in my opinion, and cocaine infused Jack Nicolson Joker... ummm may i have some more sur. This and returns are my favorite Batman live action movies of all time The Batman is a great flick don't get me wrong, but the Burton Batman movies are where it's at.
The body of that car is sitting in Dayton ohio
Oh yes yes you did
Clooney and Val were absolutely the worst Batmen!!!
I like going back to these old videos and hearing RER before he found his voice...just awful. a ugly duckly story if I ever heard one.
This was the McDonald's batman