After I finished the movie i was so bugged with how they executed the Taskmaster vs Red Guardian fight. This is exactly what was missing and should’ve happened!
The red gaurdian is a super solider and can do crazy strength things. They never establish that taskmaster is also that capable. We are never shown taskmaster doing a super strength thing. But can tank his punches and even knock him around. If you say the kicking widow off the bridge, but that can be done by normal people. The moment he’s talking about would be so much better if there was distinct indication that task is copying someone’s style.
@@lordcavalier9688 well earlier in the movie we do see that taskmaster is super strong. maybe not "serum super strong", but he is definitely strong. I think that was pretty well established
I thought about this too After watching the movie I have to believe this was originally part of the movie and then was cut for whatever reason because it's such an obvious thing for them to do and then they didn't I kept waiting for the red Guardian to have his own moment but it never really came
I want to see the Red Guardian fight literally everyone in the MCU just for the banter. Imagine the kind of back and forth we'd see from Sam or Bucky vs Alexei.
@@an8strengthkobold360 I never said they are bad. Accents are by Nature Bad because unless you are a Verbal Genius, your accent will be bad compared to one who is native. I was just pointing out how funny they are
Full stop, I need to see the Winter Guard in SOMETHING. I saw a panel of them in one of the recent Avengers comics and instantly needed more information.
The only part I wasn't crazy about was that Alexei ends both fights being disappointed. The whole movie he's been crapped on by his family. I wanted someone to throw him a sincere bone. "Did no one see that?!" "We see that you are still alive. If you can fight all Avengers for that long, you could fight Captain America for as long."
Just one nitpick - not unlike Nando's podcast - I would change that line to: "If you can fight all Avengers for that long, you could fight Captain America *all day*."
Option Three: ISAIAH BRADLEY. He's canon in the MCU now. We know they sent him on secret missions at least once. Heck, he's even spent time in prison, so depending on Red G's exact life they might have crossed paths that way. This gives a neat framing too: it explains the messed up timelines, it explains why Alexi didn't want to tell the whole story and (best of all) it helps show that Alexi has a heart of gold despite being a USSR hero; as he always viewed Isaiah as a true member of the Cap lineage even when America didn't.
Yeah:D That is what I told my mate too after we saw the Black Widow movie. Absolutly love that idea and the heart of gold message you expanded upon makes alot of sense
@@historiansayori2089 oh my sweet summer child Isaiah Bradley originated in the limited run "Red White and Black". These comics imagine a different history for the Super Soldier Serum - that it was tested on all black subjects. Historically, the USA actually did this on unwitting African Americans (most famously in the Tuskeegee experiments). Bradley is one of these test subjects. A version of this tale was incorporated into the MCU as part of the 'Falcon and the Winter Soldier' series. I won't give you the deets of either the comic or the series incase you wanna go in spoiler free, but the info is online if you just wanna read about it
Could he have fought Isaiah Bradley but Isaiah is just trying to get away so apologises to Red Guardian and flees with Red Guardian claiming victory although he does wonder why Cap ran away.
Isaiah Bradley was imprisoned in the 1950s after the Korean War, and would have wanted nothing to do with the Captain America persona when he got out of prison. It doesn’t make sense for it to have been him.
@@FroyoMNS Imagine if The US army forced Isaiah to go on Suicide Missions for them! Just think about that Brutality and how much it adds to Isaiah's story and how much it gives depth and density to the Black Oppression theme from Falcon & Winter Soldier. Just a Theory but who knows. Maybe?
@@omegadeadpool2947 well I think he got imprisoned in 1953, for 30 years. This means he got out in 1983, which means it's technically possible. But we shouldn't forget he wasn't let out, he basically "escaped" and lived off the grid. It doesn't make sense for him to wear cap's suit and fight anyone
Honestly I do think that Alexei not fighting Captain America, and not doing much of anything, is the better of the two. It basically makes him the equivalent of Steve if he never rebelled and saved Bucky. A propaganda tool blindly following whatever he's told.
I think the second fight works really well - I'd just cut the whole explanation after it. 'I've never done anything,' and then the HUD failing explains it well enough, without walking the audience through it!
I honestly do not know what they were going for with him, like I watched this movie with a group of friends and throughout the whole thing we all agreed that were only really invested in yelana and alexi and yet the film does everything in it's power to make us think he's worthless; never giving him a sincere moment
Marvel needs a cold war era age of content. Hank Pym, Janet Van Dyne, Bill Foster, The Winter Guard, I heard some people theorized the F4 would be from that era. It would be so unbelievably cool to see supers in that era.
I actually wanted Natasha fight Task Master, The Real Task master. One who actually uses Avengers Fighting style. Reminds Nat about the Airport fighT. as Cap, Spiderman, Black Panther, Hawkeye and Nat herself. Show Natasha is like the Batman of the Avengers with the skills and knowledge to neutralize the other Avengers.
I said this on Twitter, but I feel like this definitely should’ve introduced the winter guard, at the very least, the comics red widow, and/or Crimson Dynamo. Red Widow because she’s from the red room and it would just make sense Crimson Dynamo because he is the Russian Iron Man, and Nat betrayed Iron Man, so something interesting could probably have been done, but this was very epic so I don’t care that they aren’t here
Red guardian lying about fighting Captain America is the best option. In the movie he complained about having the super soldier serum and not being used properly. So he invented his fight to make himself feel better.
What if instead of lying he fought another version of cap like Isaiah Bradley when he stole the suit! And since he’s been in prison he doesn’t know it wasn’t Steve Rodgers
The dates still don't match. Isaiah was in action around the time of the korean war(50s or so) and was arrested sometime after and Red Guardian said he fought Cap in the 80s. So it was either someones else who has been Captain America in the cold war (like William Burnside mentioned in the video)or it was Steve in his time travels. Me personally prefer the Steve one. Like he was having his life with Peggy but he still got into action from time to time. Maybe he would lose the fight cause he was getting old or something. I mean after that story that's my head canon until Marvel come out and explain it
I assumed this was the case (I couldn't make out the year Alexei claimed when I saw the film), that he was the Russian agent that Isaiah Bradley fought. Since we don't actually know how old Alexei is, or whether his super soldier serum would have slowed aging (contextually possible since Marienne seemed to have not aged at all since the 90s). And since he's been in prison since the 90s, he doesn't actually know what Steve Rogers looks like. So maybe Alexei lied, as far as the year it happened and apparently omitted that the Cap he fought wasn't a white man. Or he didn't include that fact because Alexei assumed that wasn't necessary info.
Seeing as we know from FatWS that there were other American Super Soldiers, it's possible that Alexi just fought one who was dressed as Cap. Could be a reason as to how Alexi beat him, as it wasn't Steve Rogers but a different and less skilled Cap
oh that would be an interesting shouting match argument and fight if Justin brings drones and a Titanium Man suit and if Alexei gets his shield from that warehouse maybe gets in shape or not it don't matter
I would love to see if the Captain America that red guardian was talking about was Issea Bradly from Falcon and winter soldier although I’m not sure if the timeline still makes any sense since he was in prison for 30 years but it could still work I guess
I was thinking that too; imagine he meets Steeve Rogers dressed as cap and is like "Who are you?" "I'm captain America" "No no no, captain America was big strong black man who could rip the arms off a bear! Who are you?"
That wouldn't work at all. Isaiah, as you said, was in prison for 30 years and then went into hiding and wanted nothing to do with the Captain America title and everything surrounding it.
@@kerricaine Bro, that’s exactly how I thought of it in the theatres as well. But maybe not Isaiah. They had multiple super soldiers, I believe, so one of them could’ve fought him. And I kind of believe that he’s not lying because he even asked Natasha about it. And she had no reaction to it, like calling it out as a lie or something.
Imagine if there is a three way fight between red guardian Issea america An the winter soldier, it would be interesting if red guardian had a similar treatment as the winter soldier, And was put on ice periodically and being brainwashed,
It is amazing how they managed to make a fight between "Taskmaster" and "Red Guardian" to be as bland and unimpressive as possible. It takes a lot to reduce such potential
Hello! I’m a Marvel executive and I will except your pitch for Ant-Man And The Wasp And The Ant-Man and Red Guardian And The Winter Guard’s Half Hour Of Russian Power!
Id add that his shield should be able to bounce, not because it’s vibranium. Like red guardian, the Russians copied vibranium by researching organic metal (colossus wink and a nod) and they synthesized carbonandium (omega red wink and a nod). Then the point of this in the grander MCU is establishing some Russian mutant existence
I remember thinking that Captain America story was set-up for an eventual fight with Taskmaster copying Captain America's moves, now I see I was not the only one. This writers are not competent enough to keep up with the plot they seem to be going for…
I was waiting for this. I haven’t watched the video yet, but it was clear that the Red Guardian was the biggest missed opportunity. The fight with Taskmaster he had was clunky and unimportant to the narrative. But his character was so well designed and deserved more.
I love the "lie" version. That would have been great. The one drawback that these have over the way it played out is it loses the ambiguity. With his ambiguous past, there's a lot they could do with him. With a set past, you limit the options if they did want to give him a series. That said, since they probably won't give him a series, I would love to see one of these scenes.
It's a movie about mind controlled super assassin's is it that big a leap to come to the conclusion those were planted memories and Alexi never fought Cap?
That's my thought, it could have been implanted propaganda to ensure he only ever fights for the USSR. They couldn't risk a super soldier trying to defect. That's not to say I wouldn't mind them exploring him fighting Cap, but it fits the story of he didn't and thought he did.
@@disguisedcentennial835 Do you mean his arch by the end of his second film. Yea! But you’re forgetting the entire first film and half of the second. Red Guardian hasnt had that story yet or maybe ever. But theyre born of the same intentions.
@@videovoidtv He also went against orders to rescue American soldiers in the first film; after the government wanted him to simply be a propaganda tool.
Such a big miss that they dropped the ball on the rematch. I'd go as far to say that if there was a specific writer/staffer responsible for blocking or cutting this, they should probably be given a little less authority next time around because they f'ed up
I haven't seen this movie but have heard a lot of the plot already. I'm honestly a little astonished they *didn't* do this. It seems like such a no-brainer with those two characters just sitting there in your script begging to be used for this haha
Definitely wanted more from Red Guardian vs Taskmaster fight. Another possible change I think could've added something is if Alexi was Drakov's brother-in-law/Taskmaster's uncle. Could've been put in jail because he'd have stopped turning her into a robo-assassin. Plus would've added more conflict between him and Natasha/Melina.
I was conviced they were going to not only use Taskmaster as a Cap proxy for Alexi but also have the fight conclude the same way Alexi describes in his prison intro where he states that he used Cap's shield against him to push him out a window..
While we're all here I want to point out Black Widow had some great fight choreography, probably the best in the MCU since CA: Winter Soldier. Some of those throws looked brutal
Why does no one talk about the other possibility that Alexie fought Old Man Cap in his Married to Peggy time after he returns all the stones? It fixes the whole complaint people I initially had in that Steve couldn't sit back and not act.
Because that's not how MCU timetravel works, Cap lived his life in an alternate timeline and didn't go back to the main timeline until he was very old. It confuses a lot of people because the screenwriters infamously stated in an interview that he stayed in the main MCU timeline, which directly contradicts everything they had already established.
@@Guyon-to3tu people keep saying that, but nothing in the movie actually says that. All you have is the Ancient One showing what happens if you remove an Infinity Stone. But guess what. Cap put them back. There's absolutely nothing saying Cap couldn't be in the main (Sacred) timeline.
@@XVOIDDRAGONX by that logic a ton of events in the MCU couldn't have happened because Thanos and his armies traveled to the future from 2014 and met their end there. Steve created a branch timeline when he went to live with Peggy, it's really not that difficult.
@@Guyon-to3tu but then if Cap created a different timeline by going back and staying with Peggy, how is that version of Cap an old man in the main timeline to give the shield to Sam? He's made all sorts of changes by being non-frozen, so his timeline just collapsed back into the main one in time for him to get to that bench?
@@alvinnjenga5782 very simple answer: Pym particles. He returned the stones to their proper places and then settled down with Peggy to live out the rest of his life with her, when she ultimately passed away he used his remaining Pym particles to travel back to the main MCU timeline.
Yeah I totally agree that there should’ve been some sort of payoff with this fight. I saw Black Widow twice and this was the exact thought I had in my head watching the fight scene
I left the theater feeling something was missing. I couldn't pinpoint it but I now feel that it was a missed opportunity with Red Guardian. I'm genuinely impressed with your ability to really read between the lines and express an opinion I didn't even know I had
If I could propose one small change to another MCU movie- that being "The Incredible Hulk"- I would make Betty Ross look for Bruce and find him in the beginning of the movie Feel free to use and/or expand this idea nando
That's funny, I actually had a similar idea. One of the weaknesses in The Incredible Hulk was that we don't get to see Bruce bounce off any main characters until half way through the movie and after that point it's literally only Betty who's honestly not a dynamic character, frankly. Then there's the fact that him being front and center as the protagonist forces you to write Bruce as a more proactive and extraverted character than I feel like Bruce _should_ be. I've always felt that Bruce should be a withdrawn and mysterious character but that's difficult to pull off when he's also the audience surrogate. The movie should've been set up with Betty as the POV character actively searching for Bruce who we meet similarly to how we meet him in The Avengers: introverted, kinda cagey, mysterious, and confident in the fact that he knows that he's dangerous. It would have allowed them to write Betty with more personality and make Bruce more interesting on his own outside of his Hulk persona.
Actually, that was an arc in the Bruce Jones’ run of Incredible Hulk comics (the movie is partially based) and spoiler: Bruce discovers that Betty is actually Mr. Blue (in the movie that role went to Samuel Sterns)
@@hiimchrisj also it creates real tension between characters Betty would want to help Bruce get to Samuel Stern because she would feel guilty that she led Thunderbolt Ross to Bruce and also it would create the tension between her and her dad making all the interactions between charactera very believable
I can see a world where your second version scene was conceived, maybe even scripted or storyboarded, but it was cut because it pulled focus even further from Natasha’s story, which is a criticism we’ve already seen of the film as it exists.
I liked both, but you're right I loved the second one especially the " how does he do that?!" moment it would be a nice call back to civil war where spider-man said "that shield doesn't obey the laws of physics at all" cause it would actually obey physics and it would be a nice character moment showing the red guardian is different from cap.
Two things about your second scenario: 1) If he never fought Cap, Red Guardian becomes an interesting allegory for the USSR’s nuclear arsenal: fearsome and powerful but ultimately never used. This contrasts with Cap, who (like America’s own nuclear arsenal), was used to end WW2 before being unused for the entire Cold War. 2) I love the callback to the Winter Soldier fight, but there is HUGE unmentioned character potential in having Taskmaster play the Bucky half of that fight, because it necessarily means that RED GUARDIAN BECOMES CAPTAIN AMERICA. He goes from wanting to fight Cap, to seamlessly becoming Cap when the need arises. This is not only a fun inversion, but also a statement about him becoming a true hero over the course of the film.
I was hoping that, when Alexei would see Taskmaster's round shield, he would go mental and start uttering "... Captain.... Ameeeerica!" while preparing for the fight!
I think Alexei is probably lying about the fight against Captain America, but what if he actually fought against Isaiah Bradley's Cap' ? Like according to the timeline it makes sense and maybe he doesn't even know (since he went to prison for many years) that the Avenger's Captain is Steve Rogers and actually not Isaiah.
What they did to Red Guardian in Black Widow is the equivalent of what they did to Star-Lord in Endgame. His role is nothing but slapstick and being constantly thrown under the bus.
Im worried the Burnside stuff would be too similar to Walker/USAgent as ya pitched. But I do love the fact that he lied about his fantasy battle with Cap
Not really, theres a pretty big difference being despite what nando thinks about walker. He isn't meant to be a straight up villain. He's supposed to be a morally ambiguous hero
I like the idea that Alexei did face Cap during Cap’s time travel hijinks during those last moments of Endgame, but because of the timings no one believed him.
I enjoyed Black Widow, but it is the first Marvel movie I've seen where it feels like they ran out of money half way through filming. It was weird that none of the set-ups had any real pay-off. I was waiting for the joke where Red Guardian beats Taskmaster because she never heard of him. The whole set up was there, but it was like they lost that piece of film (or something) !
My version of a rematch is during the end credits Red Guardian is in the middle of another arm wrestling battle which he is winning easily. One man emerges from the crowd that has gathered and challenges Alexis. This man is revealed to be Cap. Cap sits across from Alexis, grabs his arm, and then screen cuts to black as they begin.
If he has Task Masters Shield after the film and then respray's it then now he has his own, or they can go to a abandoned shield or hydra base and take his old Shield and give one of them to Yelana who can give it to John to respray so now he's got a proper Shield or not and John gets another or keeps the dented one that could be fixed or not
Y'know, it's funny that you say it would be a time-displaced Captain America. I always figured that Alexei's serum just made him live longer, but that he claimed it happened in the 80s to avoid suspicion of being older than he appears.
I honestly do believe that one small change of having the actual taskmaster replace both drakov and the MCu taskmaster works well too. Instead of making the audience believe that shield just never checked to see if natasha actually did it or that it makes natasha seem careless in her own movie despite that being a major theme of the film (natasha mending her past) i feel like its more organic to just use the normal taskmaster and have yelena say that he was really pulling the strings and there are other red room-esque facilities in the world that he controls
I watched this film a couple of weeks ago, and it's only just occurred to me that he _could_ have fought Captain America. Steve went back in time and lived through the 1900s with Peggy by his side. Alexei could have legitimately come across a retired Steve, maybe even while he himself was in hiding in the US, and had a bar fight with him or something.
I didn't mind how they wrote Taskmaster I just thought that they underutilized her and this would've been a perfect way to nail the concept and give Red Guardian a big standout moment as well.
She just didn't feel like she mattered. Yes, she had emotional weight to Nat and yes, she was a powerful agent in the conflict, but at the end of the day she always felt like a sidequest or a random encounter, somehow. Though in their brainwashed state none of the widows could really be much more than that.
Red Guardian could’ve either fought our Captain America as he was returning the Infinity Stones, or fought “Old Man” Captain America while he was in hiding with Peggy Carter.
Cap spent 70 years occasionally putting the costume on, not to change the time line but because he was the reason the historical events happened the way that they did. He took advantage of the fact he had spent years studying the events that happened after he went in the ice an after getting the time gem he realized the role he would occasionally play over the decades.
I kinda like MauLer’s suggestion that Alexei should have instead have claimed to have fought Thor. Your proxy fight plan could still work in this case: Alexei could have a running joke about wanting to cross off the other Avengers as part of his bucket list, and he could see Taskmaster as a chance to fight Natasha, Barton, and Cap at the same time. Maybe they could even throw in a joke where he’s confused by the Black Panther claws, since he would have been in prison when T’Challa was revealed to the world and thus wouldn’t see any connection to the Avengers.
After I finished the movie i was so bugged with how they executed the Taskmaster vs Red Guardian fight. This is exactly what was missing and should’ve happened!
The red gaurdian is a super solider and can do crazy strength things. They never establish that taskmaster is also that capable. We are never shown taskmaster doing a super strength thing. But can tank his punches and even knock him around. If you say the kicking widow off the bridge, but that can be done by normal people. The moment he’s talking about would be so much better if there was distinct indication that task is copying someone’s style.
@@lordcavalier9688 well earlier in the movie we do see that taskmaster is super strong.
maybe not "serum super strong", but he is definitely strong.
I think that was pretty well established
The movie’s biggest disappointment was not seeing the red guardian actually fight competently
@@ianloree2784 I wonder why...
I thought about this too After watching the movie
I have to believe this was originally part of the movie and then was cut for whatever reason because it's such an obvious thing for them to do and then they didn't I kept waiting for the red Guardian to have his own moment but it never really came
Having him try and fight the taskmaster was a mistake the plot couldn’t allow for him to dominate that fight let alone win it
I want to see the Red Guardian fight literally everyone in the MCU just for the banter. Imagine the kind of back and forth we'd see from Sam or Bucky vs Alexei.
I'm sure New Cap and Red Guardian will "fight" in a future project down the line
No, no... Sam AND Bucky vs Alexi. Three way argument. It'll be great. 😂
Red Guardian should be in Captain America 4
"You're darker than I remembered"
"You're fatter than I've heard"
"Steve talks about me?!"
@@_Pikalika_ “Steve talks about me?”
That got me 😂
@@_Pikalika_ you just won the internet today
@@_Pikalika_ marvel ain’t putting that in 😂
@@_Pikalika_ Careful not to anger the Twitter mob...
The best part about this is Nando's attempt at a Russian accent from 3 different people.
They're honestly not that bad.
@@an8strengthkobold360
I never said they are bad. Accents are by Nature Bad because unless you are a Verbal Genius, your accent will be bad compared to one who is native.
I was just pointing out how funny they are
@@omegadeadpool2947 sorry, I wasn't trying to say you were.
A Red Guardian spin-off featuring the Winter Guard or his early years that’s mentioned would be amazing
Full stop, I need to see the Winter Guard in SOMETHING. I saw a panel of them in one of the recent Avengers comics and instantly needed more information.
A limited series show would be dope
To quote no more heroes.
“Glory to the Soviet Union.”
The only part I wasn't crazy about was that Alexei ends both fights being disappointed. The whole movie he's been crapped on by his family. I wanted someone to throw him a sincere bone.
"Did no one see that?!"
"We see that you are still alive. If you can fight all Avengers for that long, you could fight Captain America for as long."
Same, just give the man some love he needs it
Just one nitpick - not unlike Nando's podcast - I would change that line to:
"If you can fight all Avengers for that long, you could fight Captain America *all day*."
But it's Marvel in 2021. Men don't get wins.
@@ADSheehan get a load of this guy
@@ADSheehan wha? Did you not watch the last 3 shows?
Every main character got their ''moment'' execpt Alexi, any of these two would be great to see, definately needed
Option Three: ISAIAH BRADLEY.
He's canon in the MCU now. We know they sent him on secret missions at least once. Heck, he's even spent time in prison, so depending on Red G's exact life they might have crossed paths that way.
This gives a neat framing too: it explains the messed up timelines, it explains why Alexi didn't want to tell the whole story and (best of all) it helps show that Alexi has a heart of gold despite being a USSR hero; as he always viewed Isaiah as a true member of the Cap lineage even when America didn't.
Yeah:D That is what I told my mate too after we saw the Black Widow movie. Absolutly love that idea and the heart of gold message you expanded upon makes alot of sense
Who’s Isaiah Bradley? Is that someone from one of the shows or did I miss something in one of the MCU movies?
@@historiansayori2089 he's from Falcon and the Winter Soldier series
@@historiansayori2089 oh my sweet summer child
Isaiah Bradley originated in the limited run "Red White and Black". These comics imagine a different history for the Super Soldier Serum - that it was tested on all black subjects. Historically, the USA actually did this on unwitting African Americans (most famously in the Tuskeegee experiments). Bradley is one of these test subjects.
A version of this tale was incorporated into the MCU as part of the 'Falcon and the Winter Soldier' series. I won't give you the deets of either the comic or the series incase you wanna go in spoiler free, but the info is online if you just wanna read about it
@@nerovanguard846 Thank you! I haven’t watched that series so that’s why then 😅
I was freaking crying at 'I've never done anything'. That's so perfect
Could he have fought Isaiah Bradley but Isaiah is just trying to get away so apologises to Red Guardian and flees with Red Guardian claiming victory although he does wonder why Cap ran away.
I love it but let's admit he wouldn't wonder why he ran away he'd just laugh and say "cap" was scared of him lol
Isaiah Bradley was imprisoned in the 1950s after the Korean War, and would have wanted nothing to do with the Captain America persona when he got out of prison. It doesn’t make sense for it to have been him.
@@FroyoMNS
Imagine if The US army forced Isaiah to go on Suicide Missions for them! Just think about that Brutality and how much it adds to Isaiah's story and how much it gives depth and density to the Black Oppression theme from Falcon & Winter Soldier.
Just a Theory but who knows. Maybe?
@@omegadeadpool2947 well I think he got imprisoned in 1953, for 30 years. This means he got out in 1983, which means it's technically possible. But we shouldn't forget he wasn't let out, he basically "escaped" and lived off the grid. It doesn't make sense for him to wear cap's suit and fight anyone
@@FroyoMNS That detail I wasn't familiar with so that other character sounds more likely then.
Nando put the Ad break right before he unveiled his Russian accent... he knows what we're all here for!
Honestly I do think that Alexei not fighting Captain America, and not doing much of anything, is the better of the two. It basically makes him the equivalent of Steve if he never rebelled and saved Bucky. A propaganda tool blindly following whatever he's told.
I think the second fight works really well - I'd just cut the whole explanation after it. 'I've never done anything,' and then the HUD failing explains it well enough, without walking the audience through it!
Marvel: trying to make Red Guardian as much of a loser as possible
Fans: still loves him anyway
Marvel: *surprised pikachu face*
They made him a lovable loser. There's no Pikachu face here.
I dunno, they made him almost more of a character than Natasha, and he got a real action figure, pretty sure they want us to like him
I honestly do not know what they were going for with him, like I watched this movie with a group of friends and throughout the whole thing we all agreed that were only really invested in yelana and alexi and yet the film does everything in it's power to make us think he's worthless; never giving him a sincere moment
Marvel needs a cold war era age of content. Hank Pym, Janet Van Dyne, Bill Foster, The Winter Guard, I heard some people theorized the F4 would be from that era. It would be so unbelievably cool to see supers in that era.
I actually wanted Natasha fight Task Master, The Real Task master. One who actually uses Avengers Fighting style. Reminds Nat about the Airport fighT. as Cap, Spiderman, Black Panther, Hawkeye and Nat herself. Show Natasha is like the Batman of the Avengers with the skills and knowledge to neutralize the other Avengers.
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I said this on Twitter, but I feel like this definitely should’ve introduced the winter guard, at the very least, the comics red widow, and/or Crimson Dynamo.
Red Widow because she’s from the red room and it would just make sense
Crimson Dynamo because he is the Russian Iron Man, and Nat betrayed Iron Man, so something interesting could probably have been done, but this was very epic so I don’t care that they aren’t here
Crimson Dynamo was name dropped at least and the big dude he arm wrestles was named Ursa which was meant to imply that he was Ursa Major.
They can use them in Cap 4
I’m hoping that Crimson Dynamo will be in Armor Wars
@@hiimchrisj I just thought they should’ve had a bigger part, even if they aren’t main characters
Red guardian lying about fighting Captain America is the best option. In the movie he complained about having the super soldier serum and not being used properly. So he invented his fight to make himself feel better.
What if instead of lying he fought another version of cap like Isaiah Bradley when he stole the suit! And since he’s been in prison he doesn’t know it wasn’t Steve Rodgers
The dates still don't match. Isaiah was in action around the time of the korean war(50s or so) and was arrested sometime after and Red Guardian said he fought Cap in the 80s. So it was either someones else who has been Captain America in the cold war (like William Burnside mentioned in the video)or it was Steve in his time travels. Me personally prefer the Steve one. Like he was having his life with Peggy but he still got into action from time to time. Maybe he would lose the fight cause he was getting old or something. I mean after that story that's my head canon until Marvel come out and explain it
He clearly thought the guy was Steve, so it probably wasn't Isaiah.
I assumed this was the case (I couldn't make out the year Alexei claimed when I saw the film), that he was the Russian agent that Isaiah Bradley fought. Since we don't actually know how old Alexei is, or whether his super soldier serum would have slowed aging (contextually possible since Marienne seemed to have not aged at all since the 90s). And since he's been in prison since the 90s, he doesn't actually know what Steve Rogers looks like. So maybe Alexei lied, as far as the year it happened and apparently omitted that the Cap he fought wasn't a white man. Or he didn't include that fact because Alexei assumed that wasn't necessary info.
I really think Zemo should go hunt the Red Guardian when he breaks out of jail again and continue his crussade against super-soilders
Seeing as we know from FatWS that there were other American Super Soldiers, it's possible that Alexi just fought one who was dressed as Cap. Could be a reason as to how Alexi beat him, as it wasn't Steve Rogers but a different and less skilled Cap
I disagree Nando. Justin Hammer should’ve been the one to fight the red guardian
oh that would be an interesting shouting match argument and fight if Justin brings drones and a Titanium Man suit and if Alexei gets his shield from that warehouse maybe gets in shape or not it don't matter
I would love to see if the Captain America that red guardian was talking about was Issea Bradly from Falcon and winter soldier although I’m not sure if the timeline still makes any sense since he was in prison for 30 years but it could still work I guess
I was thinking that too; imagine he meets Steeve Rogers dressed as cap and is like
"Who are you?"
"I'm captain America"
"No no no, captain America was big strong black man who could rip the arms off a bear! Who are you?"
That wouldn't work at all. Isaiah, as you said, was in prison for 30 years and then went into hiding and wanted nothing to do with the Captain America title and everything surrounding it.
Isaiah Bradley fought in the Korean War though
@@kerricaine Bro, that’s exactly how I thought of it in the theatres as well. But maybe not Isaiah. They had multiple super soldiers, I believe, so one of them could’ve fought him.
And I kind of believe that he’s not lying because he even asked Natasha about it. And she had no reaction to it, like calling it out as a lie or something.
Imagine if there is a three way fight between
red guardian
Issea america
An the winter soldier, it would be interesting if red guardian had a similar treatment as the winter soldier,
And was put on ice periodically and being brainwashed,
It is amazing how they managed to make a fight between "Taskmaster" and "Red Guardian" to be as bland and unimpressive as possible. It takes a lot to reduce such potential
This is brilliant - both options: entertaining, funny, endearing, interconnected…. And as usual, now considered canon to me.
Hello! I’m a Marvel executive and I will except your pitch for Ant-Man And The Wasp And The Ant-Man and Red Guardian And The Winter Guard’s Half Hour Of Russian Power!
Who says TH-cam comments are a cesspool or hate and negativity? Sometimes it's where high profile Marvel movies get staffed.
Except lol.
Except
THE PARALLEL SHOTS THING IS ABSOLUTELY GENIUS AND MAKES SO MUCH SENSE how did no one think of this!?!?
I feel like we're now owed bad accents from all around the world.
Can we leave Australia out this time, they've suffered enough
The worst is hands down Hawkeyes Japanese. Horrendous. We watched endgame in Japan and the whole audience was laughing.
Id add that his shield should be able to bounce, not because it’s vibranium. Like red guardian, the Russians copied vibranium by researching organic metal (colossus wink and a nod) and they synthesized carbonandium (omega red wink and a nod). Then the point of this in the grander MCU is establishing some Russian mutant existence
I remember thinking that Captain America story was set-up for an eventual fight with Taskmaster copying Captain America's moves, now I see I was not the only one. This writers are not competent enough to keep up with the plot they seem to be going for…
I was waiting for this. I haven’t watched the video yet, but it was clear that the Red Guardian was the biggest missed opportunity. The fight with Taskmaster he had was clunky and unimportant to the narrative.
But his character was so well designed and deserved more.
I gotta say "that's my secret, i haven't done anything" is pure gold!!! Made me want to see the movie even though that quote is not there lol
Headcannon: Nando's "One Small Change" videos are always cannon to the MCU in some alternative timeline
They were canon, but then got pruned by the TVA
I think it would be a crime not to cast Scott Evans (Chris Evans brother/working actor) as William Burnside. I mean...I think it's perfect.
I love the "lie" version. That would have been great. The one drawback that these have over the way it played out is it loses the ambiguity. With his ambiguous past, there's a lot they could do with him. With a set past, you limit the options if they did want to give him a series. That said, since they probably won't give him a series, I would love to see one of these scenes.
It's a movie about mind controlled super assassin's is it that big a leap to come to the conclusion those were planted memories and Alexi never fought Cap?
That's my thought, it could have been implanted propaganda to ensure he only ever fights for the USSR. They couldn't risk a super soldier trying to defect.
That's not to say I wouldn't mind them exploring him fighting Cap, but it fits the story of he didn't and thought he did.
i prefer the first version. of course he’s a government stooge but so was cap.
Cap actually broke with the government when he found it doing unjust things…The Winter Soldier…
@@disguisedcentennial835 Do you mean his arch by the end of his second film. Yea! But you’re forgetting the entire first film and half of the second. Red Guardian hasnt had that story yet or maybe ever. But theyre born of the same intentions.
@@videovoidtv He also went against orders to rescue American soldiers in the first film; after the government wanted him to simply be a propaganda tool.
Such a big miss that they dropped the ball on the rematch. I'd go as far to say that if there was a specific writer/staffer responsible for blocking or cutting this, they should probably be given a little less authority next time around because they f'ed up
That Winter Soldier fight sequence is indeed the best in the MCU.
Red guardian was one of the biggest highlights in the movie. David Harbour played the character to perfection.
I haven't seen this movie but have heard a lot of the plot already. I'm honestly a little astonished they *didn't* do this. It seems like such a no-brainer with those two characters just sitting there in your script begging to be used for this haha
Red Guardian fought a skrull cap. We will see during secret wars
Definitely wanted more from Red Guardian vs Taskmaster fight. Another possible change I think could've added something is if Alexi was Drakov's brother-in-law/Taskmaster's uncle. Could've been put in jail because he'd have stopped turning her into a robo-assassin. Plus would've added more conflict between him and Natasha/Melina.
I was conviced they were going to not only use Taskmaster as a Cap proxy for Alexi but also have the fight conclude the same way Alexi describes in his prison intro where he states that he used Cap's shield against him to push him out a window..
when the sponsor segue is as clever as the premise of the video (chef's kiss)
Couldn't Alexei fight Isaiah Bradley, before he was arrested? It was in the 1980s.
I would've loved for Red Guardian to have his moment to truly shine, which is why I love what you came up with, especially the second scenario.
While we're all here I want to point out Black Widow had some great fight choreography, probably the best in the MCU since CA: Winter Soldier. Some of those throws looked brutal
awesome take and reworking!
Thanks!
What if .. Alexi fought a skrull posing as Cap?
Why does no one talk about the other possibility that Alexie fought Old Man Cap in his Married to Peggy time after he returns all the stones? It fixes the whole complaint people I initially had in that Steve couldn't sit back and not act.
Because that's not how MCU timetravel works, Cap lived his life in an alternate timeline and didn't go back to the main timeline until he was very old. It confuses a lot of people because the screenwriters infamously stated in an interview that he stayed in the main MCU timeline, which directly contradicts everything they had already established.
@@Guyon-to3tu people keep saying that, but nothing in the movie actually says that. All you have is the Ancient One showing what happens if you remove an Infinity Stone. But guess what. Cap put them back. There's absolutely nothing saying Cap couldn't be in the main (Sacred) timeline.
@@XVOIDDRAGONX by that logic a ton of events in the MCU couldn't have happened because Thanos and his armies traveled to the future from 2014 and met their end there. Steve created a branch timeline when he went to live with Peggy, it's really not that difficult.
@@Guyon-to3tu but then if Cap created a different timeline by going back and staying with Peggy, how is that version of Cap an old man in the main timeline to give the shield to Sam? He's made all sorts of changes by being non-frozen, so his timeline just collapsed back into the main one in time for him to get to that bench?
@@alvinnjenga5782 very simple answer: Pym particles. He returned the stones to their proper places and then settled down with Peggy to live out the rest of his life with her, when she ultimately passed away he used his remaining Pym particles to travel back to the main MCU timeline.
I already know exactly where you are headed with this video. And I for one can't wait to watch it
the propeganda video idea is genuinely so smart i would pay to watch that
After having watched Fat Thor and Red Guardian, i came to the conclusion that Marvel has become obsessed with fat shaming their own characters.....
Same
yo that sponsor transition to hellofresh was flawless lol💀
Yeah I totally agree that there should’ve been some sort of payoff with this fight. I saw Black Widow twice and this was the exact thought I had in my head watching the fight scene
I left the theater feeling something was missing. I couldn't pinpoint it but I now feel that it was a missed opportunity with Red Guardian. I'm genuinely impressed with your ability to really read between the lines and express an opinion I didn't even know I had
I have to confess, i didn't even THINK of reading their fight as a proxy "Captain Vs Guardian". Primarily because she opens with the claws, i guess.
HOW IS THIS SO MUCH BETTER THAN WHAT WAS GIVEN IN THE FILM!? Amazing rewrite🙌🙌
I really like the second version tho, that would have been in character, and cool to see
If I could propose one small change to another MCU movie- that being "The Incredible Hulk"- I would make Betty Ross look for Bruce and find him in the beginning of the movie
Feel free to use and/or expand this idea nando
That's funny, I actually had a similar idea.
One of the weaknesses in The Incredible Hulk was that we don't get to see Bruce bounce off any main characters until half way through the movie and after that point it's literally only Betty who's honestly not a dynamic character, frankly.
Then there's the fact that him being front and center as the protagonist forces you to write Bruce as a more proactive and extraverted character than I feel like Bruce _should_ be.
I've always felt that Bruce should be a withdrawn and mysterious character but that's difficult to pull off when he's also the audience surrogate. The movie should've been set up with Betty as the POV character actively searching for Bruce who we meet similarly to how we meet him in The Avengers: introverted, kinda cagey, mysterious, and confident in the fact that he knows that he's dangerous.
It would have allowed them to write Betty with more personality and make Bruce more interesting on his own outside of his Hulk persona.
Actually, that was an arc in the Bruce Jones’ run of Incredible Hulk comics (the movie is partially based) and spoiler: Bruce discovers that Betty is actually Mr. Blue (in the movie that role went to Samuel Sterns)
@@charlespuruncajas9663 tbh
That would be more interesting than what we got
@@hiimchrisj also it creates real tension between characters
Betty would want to help Bruce get to Samuel Stern because she would feel guilty that she led Thunderbolt Ross to Bruce and also it would create the tension between her and her dad making all the interactions between charactera very believable
The way you work in these ads is wonderful.
Red Guardian definitely fought someone who was Captain America. He asked Natasha if Rogers mentioned him. He believes he fought him.
"That's my secret.. I've never done anything"
I really wanted an end-credit scene introducing the Winter Guard, or maybe just Ursa Major. Because big bear
I can see a world where your second version scene was conceived, maybe even scripted or storyboarded, but it was cut because it pulled focus even further from Natasha’s story, which is a criticism we’ve already seen of the film as it exists.
I liked both, but you're right I loved the second one especially the " how does he do that?!" moment it would be a nice call back to civil war where spider-man said "that shield doesn't obey the laws of physics at all" cause it would actually obey physics and it would be a nice character moment showing the red guardian is different from cap.
Two things about your second scenario:
1) If he never fought Cap, Red Guardian becomes an interesting allegory for the USSR’s nuclear arsenal: fearsome and powerful but ultimately never used. This contrasts with Cap, who (like America’s own nuclear arsenal), was used to end WW2 before being unused for the entire Cold War.
2) I love the callback to the Winter Soldier fight, but there is HUGE unmentioned character potential in having Taskmaster play the Bucky half of that fight, because it necessarily means that RED GUARDIAN BECOMES CAPTAIN AMERICA. He goes from wanting to fight Cap, to seamlessly becoming Cap when the need arises. This is not only a fun inversion, but also a statement about him becoming a true hero over the course of the film.
Didn't like your take on Taskmaster, but this I liked, both versions of Red Guardian's rematch.
I was hoping that, when Alexei would see Taskmaster's round shield, he would go mental and start uttering "... Captain.... Ameeeerica!" while preparing for the fight!
I think Alexei is probably lying about the fight against Captain America, but what if he actually fought against Isaiah Bradley's Cap' ? Like according to the timeline it makes sense and maybe he doesn't even know (since he went to prison for many years) that the Avenger's Captain is Steve Rogers and actually not Isaiah.
Citizen Kane : One small change !!...The Room: One Small Change !!!
What they did to Red Guardian in Black Widow is the equivalent of what they did to Star-Lord in Endgame. His role is nothing but slapstick and being constantly thrown under the bus.
This video continues the trend of your dialogue writing improving! Great Alexei lines nando!
I think any version of the fight where Red Guardian actually lands a hit would be better than the fight we got, it was really underwhelming
Red garden series please😎👍
Im worried the Burnside stuff would be too similar to Walker/USAgent as ya pitched.
But I do love the fact that he lied about his fantasy battle with Cap
Not really, theres a pretty big difference being despite what nando thinks about walker. He isn't meant to be a straight up villain. He's supposed to be a morally ambiguous hero
I like the idea that Alexei did face Cap during Cap’s time travel hijinks during those last moments of Endgame, but because of the timings no one believed him.
The USA had super soldiers like Isaiah when Cap was on ice. Who is to say he didn’t square off against an 80s US Agent (played by 80s Kurt Russel).
Kurt Russel's already in the MCU as Peter Quill's father, Ego.
Maybe ego killed captain america and took his identity
I enjoyed Black Widow, but it is the first Marvel movie I've seen where it feels like they ran out of money half way through filming. It was weird that none of the set-ups had any real pay-off. I was waiting for the joke where Red Guardian beats Taskmaster because she never heard of him. The whole set up was there, but it was like they lost that piece of film (or something) !
Red Guardian and Winterguard vs Alpha Flight and Puck.
My version of a rematch is during the end credits Red Guardian is in the middle of another arm wrestling battle which he is winning easily. One man emerges from the crowd that has gathered and challenges Alexis. This man is revealed to be Cap. Cap sits across from Alexis, grabs his arm, and then screen cuts to black as they begin.
If he has Task Masters Shield after the film and then respray's it then now he has his own, or they can go to a abandoned shield or hydra base and take his old Shield and give one of them to Yelana who can give it to John to respray so now he's got a proper Shield or not and John gets another or keeps the dented one that could be fixed or not
Y'know, it's funny that you say it would be a time-displaced Captain America. I always figured that Alexei's serum just made him live longer, but that he claimed it happened in the 80s to avoid suspicion of being older than he appears.
I honestly do believe that one small change of having the actual taskmaster replace both drakov and the MCu taskmaster works well too. Instead of making the audience believe that shield just never checked to see if natasha actually did it or that it makes natasha seem careless in her own movie despite that being a major theme of the film (natasha mending her past) i feel like its more organic to just use the normal taskmaster and have yelena say that he was really pulling the strings and there are other red room-esque facilities in the world that he controls
Great take on this scene. I would absolutely watch a red guardian spin off. .. and walker v Alexi? yes please.
I watched this film a couple of weeks ago, and it's only just occurred to me that he _could_ have fought Captain America. Steve went back in time and lived through the 1900s with Peggy by his side. Alexei could have legitimately come across a retired Steve, maybe even while he himself was in hiding in the US, and had a bar fight with him or something.
Seeing the head of the red guardian toy pop off and seeing his reaction made sad a lil bit
Bro it's easy, he fought the Winter Soldier, not cap.
Mind you Red Room was stealing from SHIELD/Hydra.
I didn't mind how they wrote Taskmaster I just thought that they underutilized her and this would've been a perfect way to nail the concept and give Red Guardian a big standout moment as well.
She just didn't feel like she mattered. Yes, she had emotional weight to Nat and yes, she was a powerful agent in the conflict, but at the end of the day she always felt like a sidequest or a random encounter, somehow. Though in their brainwashed state none of the widows could really be much more than that.
Red Guardian could’ve either fought our Captain America as he was returning the Infinity Stones, or fought “Old Man” Captain America while he was in hiding with Peggy Carter.
A winter Guard spin-off series that mimics Mystery Science Theatre 3000 would be hilarious and I would watch it.
Cap spent 70 years occasionally putting the costume on, not to change the time line but because he was the reason the historical events happened the way that they did. He took advantage of the fact he had spent years studying the events that happened after he went in the ice an after getting the time gem he realized the role he would occasionally play over the decades.
I kinda like MauLer’s suggestion that Alexei should have instead have claimed to have fought Thor. Your proxy fight plan could still work in this case: Alexei could have a running joke about wanting to cross off the other Avengers as part of his bucket list, and he could see Taskmaster as a chance to fight Natasha, Barton, and Cap at the same time. Maybe they could even throw in a joke where he’s confused by the Black Panther claws, since he would have been in prison when T’Challa was revealed to the world and thus wouldn’t see any connection to the Avengers.
It would be sick to watch him fight the US Agent
“That’s my secret… I’ve never done anything!”
This is such a great idea and you did a great job setting the scene🤟
That second option when Alexi pulls the Moonknight randombullshit would be cool
While I'm very happy with the movie we got, your tale of Burnside Cap does scratch my Cold War Super Soldier itch. Interesting