Such great numbers, and so attractive as a proposition. Firstly, I couldn't own a Gen 3 without returning the performance to levels that truly represent the engines potential on pump gas (it would irk me every time it came to mind, which would be at least every time I passed seven grand), and subjectively, I find the styling of the Gen 3, to be a big improvement on the Gen 2. Secondly, the Gen 3 has a host of rider aids, not available on the Gen 1 or 2, and they come in handy when your tired or inexperienced or both. Thirdly, the cost of the aftermarket cams is easily affordable (if you can afford to keep tires up to a Busa, you can afford the cams). Or savings from buying a demo or second hand Gen 3, could go into pipes, cams, stacks and a sprint filter. And finally, another sweetener is 'Brocks'. They are a pro outfit, that puts a massive amount of effort into being bigger and better everyday (no I'm not affiliated with the company - just look at the breadth of their product range, and the tech info they have posted on their website - they make a serious effort to assist). I believe, Brocks are so certain of their quality control that they expect, no significant changes to currently in-spec lifter clearances. Just drop them in, tune and go. In the end, you have an incredibly versatile bike. You can ride it across the country (without feeling the need to stop before a need for fuel), or carve your way thru the canyons, or take it out on a track day and still have a blast. If you can't do it yourself, I'd strongly recommend a team like Proven Power Cycles that knows the job inside out.
@driveandsurvive i ultimately still think the gen 3 is better overall as well! The people who aren't attracted to crazy/big power stuff will leave them mostly stock while the power hungry guys will modify accordingly. A nice set of cams, stacks, and bolt ons, and now you have a pretty competitive / quick bike! Thank you for the good words 🙏
Exactly… This is not a fair comparison. If you want it to be fair, install a Stock Gen. 2 Intake Cam into the Exhaust side and Degree them in the Gen. 2 Unless you just want the cruise control function and updated electronics; a Gen. 3 Busa is pointless.
Settle the argument, change the graph from rpm to time on the bottom and see which one actually pulls harder, as we know hp doesnt always transfer into quicker when yhe differences are small 😊 Keep up the great work, enjoyable to watch and would love to visit the shop next trip to Florida from Nova Scotia.
I think the biggest issue here is, as we all known, the Gen 2 haven’t been made in 4 years. How many miles was on this Gen 2? And overall, with the amount of pounds the Gen 3 is, the Gen 2 is gonna be faster on the road. This is definitely an interesting comparison tho.
Correct i'm in the UK and using DIN figures , the dyno i use sees Stock but mapped Gen3 as 184 hp and 115 lbft torque. Gen3 with 4:1 decat and map has 187 rwhp and 117 lbft . my old 1340 Gen2 with 4:1 remap made 192 hp and 112 lbft .. , the engine still made 190 hp @102.000 miles ......the same bike now with 1441 cc , gas flowed head , aftermarket cams and 13.5:1 compression makes 214 hp and 128 lbft
gen 2 from 2009 181whp with alien head 2 dna filter and high stack velocity because i like low and mid end power curve also in summer with 30 celcius outside and 45% humidity
About 175-180 on the dyno my friend. Look at the dyno numbers on a gen 1 busa, 160 at the wheel, gen 2 was about 170-180 at the wheel. Don't get fooled by all the krazy high numbers ppl thro out. A well tuned Kawasaki 1k or Zuke 1k can easily come in at 190 + & be 75 lbs lighter. Busa has a big legend but not the strongest or fastest. Excellent bike still tho 👌🏾 💯💯
@1tuffzx10 you forgot BUSA has endless possibilities also, the torque, high speed stability etc. BUSA capable of a 1,000 HP. Hey I'm tripping you talking stock form🤣
I have to ask but what is the point of comparing the power at higher RPM's on the fall off after the peak HP was achieved at a lower RPM? You will not see those "higher" RPM's in 6th gear attainable on the road as you will not pass the RPM the highest HP was coming down at. Whats the point? Also the Gen2 usually comes in a 185 as well but even this one given that the gear ratio is the same on both bike would go faster as it revs out to 300RPM higher than the Gen3 in 6th gear on the road. It would all come down to aero and the better RAM between the two.
U said the gen 2 is one of the best you made full bolt on….178hp isn’t a good number for a gen2 full bolt on!!!….mine with brocks alien head full exhaust sprint air filter short velocity stacks and ecu reflash made 190.5
They are most certainly not. You fight the wheelie and by the time you control it the big CC is gone. Also the 1340 has 50HP more at any given RPM on its range than a liter bike not to mention the liters torque tops out where the big cc starts. I have 80ft-lb from 4K and over 100 from 5-10K. Bike weights in at 490 wet. Only positive goes for the liter is that they have a much smaller footprint so they cut trough the air with ease above 180.
Busas in general are weak sauce. Don’t tell them the reality of it though, they get all butt hurt. A stock zx-10 makes more power. Tuned, not even close. The only time I ever get a good look at a busa is if I turn and look over my shoulder… 😂
Most people don’t buy the Hayabusa to keep stock. Either the 1441/1570CC For all motor. Or the obvious countless companies that make turbo kits. Only thing that beat EJR’s Busa recently was a stroked GSXR.
I like every Gen of the mighty Hayabusa 😀
Great job, great data, solid tuning! 👍🦾🫡🤜🤛💚💚💚
Gen2 Busa 181.50hp 108.72tq
MuzzM-10 , 4 short stacks ,sprint p08 filter .
Superflo dyno .
Brock just cracked the IMU problem and posted it this week...now G3 can perform on track w/o being governed
Such great numbers, and so attractive as a proposition. Firstly, I couldn't own a Gen 3 without returning the performance to levels that truly represent the engines potential on pump gas (it would irk me every time it came to mind, which would be at least every time I passed seven grand), and subjectively, I find the styling of the Gen 3, to be a big improvement on the Gen 2. Secondly, the Gen 3 has a host of rider aids, not available on the Gen 1 or 2, and they come in handy when your tired or inexperienced or both. Thirdly, the cost of the aftermarket cams is easily affordable (if you can afford to keep tires up to a Busa, you can afford the cams). Or savings from buying a demo or second hand Gen 3, could go into pipes, cams, stacks and a sprint filter. And finally, another sweetener is 'Brocks'. They are a pro outfit, that puts a massive amount of effort into being bigger and better everyday (no I'm not affiliated with the company - just look at the breadth of their product range, and the tech info they have posted on their website - they make a serious effort to assist). I believe, Brocks are so certain of their quality control that they expect, no significant changes to currently in-spec lifter clearances. Just drop them in, tune and go. In the end, you have an incredibly versatile bike. You can ride it across the country (without feeling the need to stop before a need for fuel), or carve your way thru the canyons, or take it out on a track day and still have a blast. If you can't do it yourself, I'd strongly recommend a team like Proven Power Cycles that knows the job inside out.
@driveandsurvive i ultimately still think the gen 3 is better overall as well! The people who aren't attracted to crazy/big power stuff will leave them mostly stock while the power hungry guys will modify accordingly. A nice set of cams, stacks, and bolt ons, and now you have a pretty competitive / quick bike! Thank you for the good words 🙏
Gen3. I've owned all 3. I wanna see these R&D u have in mind. Good job
My 08 Busa had 194hp stock and flashed with a Brocs ALien Exhaust, I'm at about 205hp
Apples for apples bro. Change the cams on the gen 2 before you compare it to a gen 3 that has a cam job.
Years ago my friends Gen 2 if I remember correctly. Alien head, power commander, degree cams put out 197 HP.
They are drop in stock cams
Exactly… This is not a fair comparison. If you want it to be fair, install a Stock Gen. 2 Intake Cam into the Exhaust side and Degree them in the Gen. 2
Unless you just want the cruise control function and updated electronics; a Gen. 3 Busa is pointless.
@@bacchusthompson5834 or you want a new bike, with a new look too lol
@@BOOSTEDH2 that too… You know people will start just swapping the Gen. 3 fairings over to get the look of they haven’t start doing it already
Settle the argument, change the graph from rpm to time on the bottom and see which one actually pulls harder, as we know hp doesnt always transfer into quicker when yhe differences are small 😊 Keep up the great work, enjoyable to watch and would love to visit the shop next trip to Florida from Nova Scotia.
I think the biggest issue here is, as we all known, the Gen 2 haven’t been made in 4 years. How many miles was on this Gen 2?
And overall, with the amount of pounds the Gen 3 is, the Gen 2 is gonna be faster on the road.
This is definitely an interesting comparison tho.
Most tuners om a gen 2 with exhaust gets between 190 and 191
Correct i'm in the UK and using DIN figures , the dyno i use sees Stock but mapped Gen3 as 184 hp and 115 lbft torque. Gen3 with 4:1 decat and map has 187 rwhp and 117 lbft . my old 1340 Gen2 with 4:1 remap made 192 hp and 112 lbft .. , the engine still made 190 hp @102.000 miles ......the same bike now with 1441 cc , gas flowed head , aftermarket cams and 13.5:1 compression makes 214 hp and 128 lbft
gen 2 from 2009 181whp with alien head 2 dna filter and high stack velocity because i like low and mid end power curve also in summer with 30 celcius outside and 45% humidity
I'm confused when you compared the bolt on 2 to the 3 the 3 that was shown on dyno screen had the cams or it was a gen 3 w bolt ons only ?
I am very confused the bus’s come with 186 to 190 why are talking about 170 ish horsepower?
Crank vs wheel HP if I'm answering you correctly.
About 175-180 on the dyno my friend. Look at the dyno numbers on a gen 1 busa, 160 at the wheel, gen 2 was about 170-180 at the wheel. Don't get fooled by all the krazy high numbers ppl thro out. A well tuned Kawasaki 1k or Zuke 1k can easily come in at 190 + & be 75 lbs lighter. Busa has a big legend but not the strongest or fastest. Excellent bike still tho 👌🏾 💯💯
@1tuffzx10 you forgot BUSA has endless possibilities also, the torque, high speed stability etc. BUSA capable of a 1,000 HP. Hey I'm tripping you talking stock form🤣
I see now thanks guys
Ported head cam's gen 2 ball part price please. Thanks
cost me £650 or $845
I have to ask but what is the point of comparing the power at higher RPM's on the fall off after the peak HP was achieved at a lower RPM? You will not see those "higher" RPM's in 6th gear attainable on the road as you will not pass the RPM the highest HP was coming down at. Whats the point? Also the Gen2 usually comes in a 185 as well but even this one given that the gear ratio is the same on both bike would go faster as it revs out to 300RPM higher than the Gen3 in 6th gear on the road. It would all come down to aero and the better RAM between the two.
U said the gen 2 is one of the best you made full bolt on….178hp isn’t a good number for a gen2 full bolt on!!!….mine with brocks alien head full exhaust sprint air filter short velocity stacks and ecu reflash made 190.5
“Drop in cams”
Aren’t aggressive or race cams
Either
These are just drop ins
U should do a video on why 1000cc bike's are faster than than 1300cc.
You need a video to explain to
You power to weight ratio? Lol 😂
@@JNAMOTORSPORTS SO 1300cc compared to a 1000cc is funny? Weirdo. Then why are most drag bike are Hayabusa?
They are most certainly not. You fight the wheelie and by the time you control it the big CC is gone. Also the 1340 has 50HP more at any given RPM on its range than a liter bike not to mention the liters torque tops out where the big cc starts. I have 80ft-lb from 4K and over 100 from 5-10K. Bike weights in at 490 wet. Only positive goes for the liter is that they have a much smaller footprint so they cut trough the air with ease above 180.
@@GerBeGurGya some Dino's say different. That why I asked them to do a video on it. And remember the only bad question is the 1 u don't ask.
Do a roll race with two jockeys and now your done
Busas in general are weak sauce. Don’t tell them the reality of it though, they get all butt hurt. A stock zx-10 makes more power. Tuned, not even close. The only time I ever get a good look at a busa is if I turn and look over my shoulder… 😂
Ya know if I had to do it all over again I think I would go 1k, definately gsxr but I am a drag guy..
Most people don’t buy the Hayabusa to keep stock. Either the 1441/1570CC For all motor. Or the obvious countless companies that make turbo kits. Only thing that beat EJR’s Busa recently was a stroked GSXR.
@@Nitrous_Busathat’s the problem tho, busas and zx14’z need built motor it turbos to keep up with tuned 1000’s
Yeah, nobody cares.
Stop it!!! You not the fastest out there. I know a 70 year old rider w a Gen 2. You would be buying him lunch after he waxed you 🤣🤣🤣