Nice video, people need to be very realistic going into a timber harvest everyone needs to make money off your trees mills loggers, truckers in some cases the town our county in a stumpage tax what ever is left the land owner gets usually much less than you think going into it.Hire a forester to help keep you from getting completely screwed. And don't forget , if you can make yourself seen on the site as often as you can count logs trucks take pictures of everything going on.
Hello, I just came across your channel. My brother recently bought 49.5 acres of land that once belonged to another family member. The land is heavily wooded and he is 76 yo. There’s no way he will be able to walk through the property. We are thinking of contacting a forester consultant as our first step, is this the best way to go instead of talking to a logger? Would appreciate your advice. Thank you.
I always wondered how they crooked loggers were able to keep getting lots to cut. It is because the people they cheat are not quick to admit they were cheated. When asked they say it was all good, then the unscrupulous logger gets another victim. That paired with people who do not understand the industry at all make logging a hard career.
How do you pay the landowner for stumpage ? Around indiana its common to pay in full after cutting is done. Thats really hard for a small guy who mills his own logs.
In Ohio we always pay before ever starting the job unless the land owner wants to do a percentage deal. If so, we cut the timber and allow 2 weeks after the job is finished (on smaller jobs) to allow for processing of the logs.
We are getting some logging done soon. Our land has never been logged. We want to do a fairly aggressive cut to promote lots of regeneration. We are working with a forester. Our logger said he can take trees down to 4 inches in diameter. I was going to ask him to take everything he can down to 4 inches that isnt an oak and all oaks 16 inches and up. Other species we have that are marketable are maple, aspen, basswood, ash, and elm. The oaks are the only tree I want to make sure we keep some around. We have a lot in that 12 to 24 inch range. Thought on a plan like this?
Purpose-Filled Minnesota Habitat Management it obviously depends on your goals for the woods. We have never cut anything even close to that hard, the smallest I’ve seen done in Ohio is 16” point of cut and even that there is very little left. Are you wanting to create wildlife habitat or what is the goal for the property?
@@treestandforestry yes 100% for wildlife habitat. Our property consists of several small woodlots 7 to 10 acres each). Cover and woody regen is lacking so we want to create as much cover and food as possible. Also it won't be logged again in my lifetime (I'm 34). So future timber value isnt a priority. We do want some oaks left. I'm torn between whether I should do 16 or 18 inches.
I have done lots of cuts at 18” for situations like your self and I think that’s what I would recommend given your situation. 18” point of cut will give you plenty of re-gen throughout the woods. Now something you can do is go and in each of those small lots have a corner where it’s pretty much stripped. This gives pockets for deer to bed and if done correctly gives much more definition to the deer movement. If you haven’t already, check out “whitetail habitat solutions” channel. Lots of great info regarding this.
@@treestandforestry thanks for the advice. I think I am going to go with the 18 inch cut for oaks. I want to lean towards being more conservative with those. I definitely have a bunch of future bedding areas picked out where I'll either clear areas or add in hinge cut areas. I like doing both. Yah I love Sturgis's channel. Been following him for years. Lots of great habitat channels on youtube. Glad I found yours. I've done a lot of fun work in the timber but this will be my first experience with logging on land I hunt.
Hey man quick question, I own a farm and have recently had a guy log half of it. It has started to get too wet so the logger has pulled out but says he’ll be back next summer when it dries out again. I have a contract that gives him 24 months. Honestly I don’t won’t the guy to come back he has been a nightmare to work with and borderline thief. How do I exit this contract with him?
I’m sorry things aren’t going well. Unfortunately you did sign an agreement and if he has paid for the trees there is not much you can do outside of asking to essentially buy the trees back. At that point it is the companies decisions weather they do that or not. Now If they genuinely are stealing trees obviously you need to get the authorities involved but the way most of these guys do their contracts it is very difficult to prove that they actually did take trees not agreed upon unless all trees were marked prior.
There are definitely a lot of bad companies out there, however that does not mean there are no good ones. As a land owner, be sure to do your homework on a company before working with them!
Nice video, people need to be very realistic going into a timber harvest everyone needs to make money off your trees mills loggers, truckers in some cases the town our county in a stumpage tax what ever is left the land owner gets usually much less than you think going into it.Hire a forester to help keep you from getting completely screwed. And don't forget , if you can make yourself seen on the site as often as you can count logs trucks take pictures of everything going on.
Hello, I just came across your channel. My brother recently bought 49.5 acres of land that once belonged to another family member. The land is heavily wooded and he is 76 yo. There’s no way he will be able to walk through the property. We are thinking of contacting a forester consultant as our first step, is this the best way to go instead of talking to a logger? Would appreciate your advice. Thank you.
Yes I would definitely recommend contacting a consulting forester.
I always wondered how they crooked loggers were able to keep getting lots to cut. It is because the people they cheat are not quick to admit they were cheated. When asked they say it was all good, then the unscrupulous logger gets another victim. That paired with people who do not understand the industry at all make logging a hard career.
Well said.
Great video.
How do you pay the landowner for stumpage ? Around indiana its common to pay in full after cutting is done. Thats really hard for a small guy who mills his own logs.
In Ohio we always pay before ever starting the job unless the land owner wants to do a percentage deal. If so, we cut the timber and allow 2 weeks after the job is finished (on smaller jobs) to allow for processing of the logs.
Most larger operations in this area use lines of credit to buy timber so it can be paid fully before.
Another great video!
We are getting some logging done soon. Our land has never been logged. We want to do a fairly aggressive cut to promote lots of regeneration. We are working with a forester. Our logger said he can take trees down to 4 inches in diameter. I was going to ask him to take everything he can down to 4 inches that isnt an oak and all oaks 16 inches and up. Other species we have that are marketable are maple, aspen, basswood, ash, and elm. The oaks are the only tree I want to make sure we keep some around. We have a lot in that 12 to 24 inch range. Thought on a plan like this?
Purpose-Filled Minnesota Habitat Management it obviously depends on your goals for the woods. We have never cut anything even close to that hard, the smallest I’ve seen done in Ohio is 16” point of cut and even that there is very little left. Are you wanting to create wildlife habitat or what is the goal for the property?
@@treestandforestry yes 100% for wildlife habitat. Our property consists of several small woodlots 7 to 10 acres each). Cover and woody regen is lacking so we want to create as much cover and food as possible. Also it won't be logged again in my lifetime (I'm 34). So future timber value isnt a priority. We do want some oaks left. I'm torn between whether I should do 16 or 18 inches.
I have done lots of cuts at 18” for situations like your self and I think that’s what I would recommend given your situation. 18” point of cut will give you plenty of re-gen throughout the woods. Now something you can do is go and in each of those small lots have a corner where it’s pretty much stripped. This gives pockets for deer to bed and if done correctly gives much more definition to the deer movement. If you haven’t already, check out “whitetail habitat solutions” channel. Lots of great info regarding this.
@@treestandforestry thanks for the advice. I think I am going to go with the 18 inch cut for oaks. I want to lean towards being more conservative with those. I definitely have a bunch of future bedding areas picked out where I'll either clear areas or add in hinge cut areas. I like doing both. Yah I love Sturgis's channel. Been following him for years. Lots of great habitat channels on youtube. Glad I found yours. I've done a lot of fun work in the timber but this will be my first experience with logging on land I hunt.
Glad I could help!
Hey man quick question, I own a farm and have recently had a guy log half of it. It has started to get too wet so the logger has pulled out but says he’ll be back next summer when it dries out again. I have a contract that gives him 24 months. Honestly I don’t won’t the guy to come back he has been a nightmare to work with and borderline thief. How do I exit this contract with him?
I’m sorry things aren’t going well. Unfortunately you did sign an agreement and if he has paid for the trees there is not much you can do outside of asking to essentially buy the trees back. At that point it is the companies decisions weather they do that or not.
Now If they genuinely are stealing trees obviously you need to get the authorities involved but the way most of these guys do their contracts it is very difficult to prove that they actually did take trees not agreed upon unless all trees were marked prior.
@@treestandforestry well he hasn’t paid anything upfront it’s being paid as he cuts.
Thank you.
Only sure way to Prevent getting scammed, don't have your property logged. Logger will move on from you if you won't allow them to cheat you!!
There are definitely a lot of bad companies out there, however that does not mean there are no good ones. As a land owner, be sure to do your homework on a company before working with them!