Having hired TreeStandForestry myself, I will reiterate all Madison’s points, his honesty and absolute satisfaction with the end product. Great guy, great business. I would throw in this additional point not mentioned in the video. If you’re into wildlife habitat, he’s the guy. The vast majority of foresters are all about the quick sale and trees, then and there, are their only priority. Madison can provide insight on what’s best for the next/future cut… but also has the lens of a wildlife habitat guy on what best suits your species and hunting layout or plans. Very unique and so appreciated.
Another round of good information here, many ways to skin the cat depending on region and type of timber. I was that guy in IL and have learned so much throughout the process from Madison!
Thank you man, excellent video! Very informative. I'm purchasing a very small lot and don't think it'll be efficient/possible to do anything but sell the timber or processed lumber myself. Vids like this are so helpful along the way.
Thank you! Very helpful. Looking into getting into the business in the pacific north west. Appreciate your knowledge. Looking forward to watching more videos.
I've been in the timber industry all my life, and i'm 55, some things in this video I agree with, and a others I don't. In my experience, the forestry sells bring well, but not the best. The highest I've seen is at auctions, sometimes people go crazy. The fairest and safest way, in my opinion, is a logger or mill you can TRUST and cut for a %. Get references if you need too.
That is why you need somebody like Madison to find that great mill that will be honest and give a great value for the logs and have your property nice and clean when they leave. I used to cut for Madison‘s dad and I loved every bit of it
I couldn’t agree with you more. In my experience with forester’s is they mark a lot of junk! I like to cut on % and give them some kind of guarantee. If we don’t hit that mark for some reason I make up the difference out of my pocket. 9 times out of 10 they get more than what I originally told them. Then when they go tell there buddies and I get there timber I give the land owner that recommend me a 7% finders fee. Works out pretty good for me and im starting to cut some of the jobs I cut 10-15 years ago.
@@treestandforestry That makes sense. Does landowner have a specified amount of time in their contract with you to cut you a check after they are paid by timber buyers? Just wondering what safe guards are in place for you to ensure you get your agreed percentage of sale and get a better idea of the process of payment once the sale is complete.
The way my sales are structured is that the buyer is required to put 25% down within two weeks of signing of the contract and then my fee is taken out of that as soon as the Landowner is paid the deposit.
I have over 200 acres of beautiful white oak in west Tennessee that hasn’t been harvested in close to 100 years. Any recommendations or advice you would like to offer? Thanks in advance.
Yes, the main thing is to get all the trees marked that will be getting cut and have multiple buyers place prices on the same trees. Those two things will avoid a lot of issues that you may have. Also, if possible source people that you have referrals from people that do good work and do not rip up a property.
thanks for your reply. you hv great videos, I'm just getting into the timber business. I found the opportunity to buy a 28 acre lot of timber trees and imm figuring out what moves I should make
The prices are soft right now, I’d wait a little bit, in our area they are down around 15% but I’d hope that the prices pick back up in the fall/winter.
That being said there are scenarios where high-end red Oak can still bring really good money. I did a sale recently in Northeast Ohio with similar sounding red Oak to yours, and it brought the best price I’ve ever seen red oak bring.
Man i have 20 acres in michigan. Im working on it for habitat work. With everyones advice i went to the usda got a forestry plan made. Forester came did his plan. I did this in hopes of him helping me log. Contacted 3 foresters only 1 got back to me he made my plan. Wanted him to help me log. Basically told me it wast worth it. Now im contacting loggers. Getting nothing dont people work any more. Got with one other forestry just before the plan at my house for my mother in laws house in sothern michigan she had close to 30 nice black wallnut trees forester made a contract and after the time on the contract lapsed never got a bid for any loggers. Im about to just cut my woods all for fire wood. Lol
Unfortunately, that is the reality of some blocks of Timber. If you have nothing but low-grade timber and small quantities, you will not find anybody willing to cut it as it is a net loss most of the time. In that scenario, Yes, you’re literally better off cutting it yourself and working it up for Fire Wood.
Being a 5th generation logger of a family that has been logging for over 100 years, theres sooooo much misinformation here lol... as far as missouri logging goes.
I don’t disagree, one of the companies that won the bid on this job had Amish crews. They do good work but it almost scared me to watch. Having cut millions of board feet myself I know how quick something can happen.
You guys take landowners money if we are being honest guys get a good logger and you will be happy this guy is fully of it just trying to get your money for sure seen it to many times
There are plenty of loggers who will screw you too. I think the key with a solid forester is they know what the value is so you won’t be undersold and can manage your expectations in the way the timber is cut and the property is left afterwards. It really depends on the logger, forester, or mill. Basically all can screw you if, it’s just a trade off of what you want from your sale or what risk you’re willing to take.
Simple math less fingers in the pie the more the landowner makes find a good logger let them push the wood they want to make the most they can which makes you the most money and we want to give you what you want our name is our livelihood. You don't need a Forester you loose money
At times that is the best approach but according to OSU people who sell through a consulting forester get more for their timber. Like to study: ohioline.osu.edu/factsheet/f-37
Having hired TreeStandForestry myself, I will reiterate all Madison’s points, his honesty and absolute satisfaction with the end product. Great guy, great business.
I would throw in this additional point not mentioned in the video. If you’re into wildlife habitat, he’s the guy. The vast majority of foresters are all about the quick sale and trees, then and there, are their only priority. Madison can provide insight on what’s best for the next/future cut… but also has the lens of a wildlife habitat guy on what best suits your species and hunting layout or plans. Very unique and so appreciated.
Another round of good information here, many ways to skin the cat depending on region and type of timber. I was that guy in IL and have learned so much throughout the process from Madison!
Thank you man, excellent video! Very informative. I'm purchasing a very small lot and don't think it'll be efficient/possible to do anything but sell the timber or processed lumber myself. Vids like this are so helpful along the way.
Thank you! Very helpful. Looking into getting into the business in the pacific north west. Appreciate your knowledge. Looking forward to watching more videos.
I've been in the timber industry all my life, and i'm 55, some things in this video I agree with, and a others I don't. In my experience, the forestry sells bring well, but not the best. The highest I've seen is at auctions, sometimes people go crazy. The fairest and safest way, in my opinion, is a logger or mill you can TRUST and cut for a %. Get references if you need too.
A mill contracting on %s? That doesn’t make any sense, they want the wood
That is why you need somebody like Madison to find that great mill that will be honest and give a great value for the logs and have your property nice and clean when they leave. I used to cut for Madison‘s dad and I loved every bit of it
I couldn’t agree with you more. In my experience with forester’s is they mark a lot of junk! I like to cut on % and give them some kind of guarantee. If we don’t hit that mark for some reason I make up the difference out of my pocket. 9 times out of 10 they get more than what I originally told them. Then when they go tell there buddies and I get there timber I give the land owner that recommend me a 7% finders fee. Works out pretty good for me and im starting to cut some of the jobs I cut 10-15 years ago.
I have 131 black walnut in West Virgina. Looking at maybe selling them, not sure what walnut is going for now.
Walnut is doing really well right now. What part? I do service parts of WV
@@treestandforestry Between Summersville and Beckley. WV.
Thanks for the info! When you take your percentage of the timber sale, does the landowner pay you or does the timber buyer pay you directly?
Land owner. I work for the client and I want them to know exactly what I am getting paid. This allows for full transparency.
@@treestandforestry That makes sense. Does landowner have a specified amount of time in their contract with you to cut you a check after they are paid by timber buyers? Just wondering what safe guards are in place for you to ensure you get your agreed percentage of sale and get a better idea of the process of payment once the sale is complete.
The way my sales are structured is that the buyer is required to put 25% down within two weeks of signing of the contract and then my fee is taken out of that as soon as the Landowner is paid the deposit.
I have over 200 acres of beautiful white oak in west Tennessee that hasn’t been harvested in close to 100 years. Any recommendations or advice you would like to offer? Thanks in advance.
Yes, the main thing is to get all the trees marked that will be getting cut and have multiple buyers place prices on the same trees. Those two things will avoid a lot of issues that you may have. Also, if possible source people that you have referrals from people that do good work and do not rip up a property.
great info do you know anything about arkansas timber sales
Unfortunately that’s going to be out of my wheelhouse. Best to find a local consultant.
thanks for your reply. you hv great videos, I'm just getting into the timber business. I found the opportunity to buy a 28 acre lot of timber trees and imm figuring out what moves I should make
I have about 5 acres of timber to sell in Summerville, SC. Everyone wants to charge me to take it away. Do you have any recommendations?
Yeah that doesn’t surprise me for something that small. The cost of moving in is more than the value of the wood
Do any of them go state to state? For instance, is there someone in Montana that might go to another state to buy wood?
At times… usually it is just across the state line if the buyer is located close by but not typically more than 2 hrs from mill location.
do you know of any reputable consultants in California? Got some redwoods for sale.
Unfortunately I do not. I work primarily in the mid west
What about cutting you're own trees and having buyers come make offers? Does this happen often?
You can do it. Logging saw timber hardwoods takes a lot of skill to not damage logs. One mess up can be $1000 mistake.
Correct
@@native_landscapes Do you know of any good resources on improving your saw timber hardwood logging skill?
@@everettvitols5690 'Good Fellers' channel is really good.
Time, experience… those are the best resources. Take chainsaw proficiency courses, and then go work with someone who’s cut a million trees.
is it common to have them remove the stumps as well?
No, the stumps deteriorate after several years.
Do you work in south central Kentucky. Wayne county.
Unfortunately I do not.
@@treestandforestry Do you have anyone you could recommend that services that area
Any hope for red oak prices? Ive got 130 nice ones in upper Michigan...24-30 inches
The prices are soft right now, I’d wait a little bit, in our area they are down around 15% but I’d hope that the prices pick back up in the fall/winter.
That being said there are scenarios where high-end red Oak can still bring really good money. I did a sale recently in Northeast Ohio with similar sounding red Oak to yours, and it brought the best price I’ve ever seen red oak bring.
Man i have 20 acres in michigan. Im working on it for habitat work. With everyones advice i went to the usda got a forestry plan made. Forester came did his plan. I did this in hopes of him helping me log. Contacted 3 foresters only 1 got back to me he made my plan. Wanted him to help me log. Basically told me it wast worth it. Now im contacting loggers. Getting nothing dont people work any more. Got with one other forestry just before the plan at my house for my mother in laws house in sothern michigan she had close to 30 nice black wallnut trees forester made a contract and after the time on the contract lapsed never got a bid for any loggers. Im about to just cut my woods all for fire wood. Lol
Unfortunately, that is the reality of some blocks of Timber. If you have nothing but low-grade timber and small quantities, you will not find anybody willing to cut it as it is a net loss most of the time. In that scenario, Yes, you’re literally better off cutting it yourself and working it up for Fire Wood.
Being a 5th generation logger of a family that has been logging for over 100 years, theres sooooo much misinformation here lol... as far as missouri logging goes.
That guy logging in the straw hat is scary.
I don’t disagree, one of the companies that won the bid on this job had Amish crews. They do good work but it almost scared me to watch. Having cut millions of board feet myself I know how quick something can happen.
You guys take landowners money if we are being honest guys get a good logger and you will be happy this guy is fully of it just trying to get your money for sure seen it to many times
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There are plenty of loggers who will screw you too. I think the key with a solid forester is they know what the value is so you won’t be undersold and can manage your expectations in the way the timber is cut and the property is left afterwards. It really depends on the logger, forester, or mill. Basically all can screw you if, it’s just a trade off of what you want from your sale or what risk you’re willing to take.
Your right there is but most are pretty good ppl you can normally tell within a few minutes of talk to them
Simple math less fingers in the pie the more the landowner makes find a good logger let them push the wood they want to make the most they can which makes you the most money and we want to give you what you want our name is our livelihood. You don't need a Forester you loose money
At times that is the best approach but according to OSU people who sell through a consulting forester get more for their timber.
Like to study: ohioline.osu.edu/factsheet/f-37