All the irony of toxic positivity, turning from good to the dark side and rich people being unrelatable makes the fact that Kyrsten Sinema and Mitt Romney mocking everyday working Americans by imitating this show very ironic. In a way they're kinda mocking themselves cause these negative attributes are clearly representative of them... Corrupt politicians. Also corrupt people watching and being fans of a show about being good and kind people is also even more ironic. I don't know if they're being that cruel and ironic or they're just stupid.
I have a hard time with the idea that it was Ted's fault that Nate went rogue. Ted had his own mental health that he needed to work on in season 2, and Nate is an adult who is responsible for his own actions. I don't like the idea that if you work on yourself and your wellbeing that takes your attention away from other people who may "need" you. (Also ripping the believe sign was a punch to the gut that I have a hard time forgiving Nate for.)
There were moments where Ted did add fuel to the fire with Nate's insecurities like laughing when Nate wanted to go and speak to the player, but a lot of what Nate gets angry about is petty, I think both will grow over season 3 and will get back together and Richmond will win the premier league
I think Nate wants validation from a father figure because he doesn't get it from his own father. He is an adult, yes, but being an adult doesn't negate the idea of wanting to be perceived or looked at from someone you admire.
You cant just promote someone into a new role, then leave them to fly or fail. You need to CONTINUE the training, the ability to handle the newfound stress and pressures that come with a promotion
It was heartbreaking how Nate just misinterprets everything around him like when Nate said that Ted didn't have the picture of the two of them together on his desk when in fact Ted has it in his home next to a picture of his son.
Ted’s positivity was toxic to himself, yes. But perhaps if someone being genuinely nice to you causes you to “go dark side,” that has everything to do with your own character and far less to do with the person who’s literally just. Been kind to you.
i dont think thats what the Take is going for, its that Ted's positivity to Nate in S1 was only surface level and made Nate feel super high but was not followed up on by genuine feedback to Nate or confronting him on his insecurities. Ted treated Nate like some typical side character/underdog in a movie, instead of like a real person. Nate was also given a giant promotion and yet Ted, his mentor, was not there for him enough to guide him on the newfound responsibility. Ted likely thought the promotion was enough as it was a typical "Hollywood" ending for an underdog. Obviously Nate's choices are his own, but I beleive the Take is arguing that Ted's traditional approach in S1 is not necessarily bad, but has its limits and needs to be complemented by actually tackling issues head on isntead of running away from things.
Ted's positivity being toxic to himself (acting like everything is ok and running away from introspection) bleeds into his relationship with Nate: he only was there on the surface level and refuses to call Nate out on his clear transgressions and insecurities
@@arjunwali9885 Just because Ted’s positivity isn’t what Nate wanted or needed by season 2 doesn’t mean it’s toxic. Just because Ted wasn’t able to know exactly what Nate and his particular mental state wanted or needed from him doesn’t mean Ted is responsible for Nate’s actions later on. Nate was an adult. His inclusion in the “diamond dogs” group shows Ted treated him not as a pet project, but more as an equal. Not only that but Ted was struggling heavily with his own mental health throughout the season. If Nate needed help, he could have asked.
@@conorfinn2860 you don’t think it was weird that the dude literally went grey in a matter of weeks, and no one asked him whether he was okay? No one noticed Nate in season two. Beard pulled him aside about the Colin thing, and just said to apologise, instead of asking what the hell it was about. He didn’t get a scene with Sharon, his first solo scene with Ted was in the final episode. Diamond dogs get to have a meeting to gossip about Beard and Jane, but Higgins never wonders “Why has Nate aged 20 years in two months?” All of his only known friends forgot he existed after they decided he was in a good place.
I'm glad that the show addresses that there is no such thing as happy all the time. Sometimes things are horrible and you need to address them. I think this show also brings into attention how much toxic parenting can affect someone in the long run. All that negativity is taught to us from such an early age that it hits deeper than anything else and can be hard to work through.
Seems like most of the men have terrible issues with Father's. Not sure if we know about Roy's father. Sam's father is great!!!!! Ted's father was probably ok but if he's depressed then Ted could have been neglected
Honestly if you go back and rewatch there are many jokes in the early Episodes that don’t play out until later episodes that you’ve probably forgotten about
I was stunned by how incredible this show is. I was NOT expecting this show to fire me up on so many fronts. I’ve been through a lot in the last two years and this show had me crying with happiness and sadness. Amazing. It’s so shallow and so deep all at the same time.
They also dont say that its teds fault, they say teds behaviour causes nates Anger. And that Anger is caused because he Projekts his own fears into everything ted does for him of Not. So its of course right, that ted has his own problems and that nate is an adult who shouldnt need ted. But the whole fkn Video is about two people who does wrong Things without their fault, they say all the reasons. Yet there are so many people who does exactly what this Video also say, they try to push away everything that could cause them thinking negative about ted. Its just paradox because ted is even a nice Charakter when he is relatable and has downsides. If He would be perfect and would Do everything right All the time, He would be very Boring and Not authentic. Before you get angry about people changing your views, think about why you are angry. Its Not about the Video, its about yourself!
@@fabulousk9014 then they are wrong. Nate has been angry since day 1 and has continuously lied about it and put on a false face of happiness and agreement. He has always believed he was Nate the Great but was to cowardly to put it forward.
@@robertblume2951 I'd argue it's exactly the opposite. He NEVER believed he was Nate the Great, he probably still doesn't. But he so desperately WANTS to believe it that he latched on to Ted's supportiveness like a lifeline, and when Ted stopped providing him with around-the-clock attention and validation (because Ted had other stuff going on), Nate felt betrayed.
@@alexanderwinn9407 if he did believe then why did he say he earned his spot? No he was the secret king all along and that's why he felt he deserved that constant attention and validation and that's why it's a betrayal not to give it.
I genuinely don’t understand people who thought Season Two was a step down from Season One. The sheer complexity of the character writing in the second outing is far more ambitious and intricate.
I think the Christmas episode and a few of the earlier episodes really didn't have much conflict or development what was interesting, but it really started to pick up towards the end of the season
@@jonathanwing2780 The Christmas Special and "Beard After Hours" were both written after the main ten episodes, as they were order later in development.
Agreed. I LOVED the first season. But once the story was established, they expanded on it beautifully in season 2. Maybe it's the people who liked the over-positivity of season 1 that disliked season 2. I love the whole show.
@@janetbeatrice9505 Season 1 is comfort food. It's not complex or challenging, but that's never the point. It's meant to restore and rejuvenate the consumer, which can be exactly what one needs when they feel subpar. That said, eating the same comfort food over and over again has the opposite effect, so it's fortunate that Season 2 tries a newer, more daring recipe.
9:01 I feel like Nate didn't work his way up tho. Kit managers aren't normally able to become assistant coaches. Nate got his job, yes because Ted was incompetent and needed the help of someone that actually knew football, but also mainly because Ted saw potential in him and gave him what was a once in a lifetime chance.
Yeah true, but i think the Show just suggest it as Hard work because All These Thing are pretty unrealistic anyway and people will just accept it as a movie Thing
I loved season 2. While Nate's arc is frustrating to watch, it was very well done and Nick Mohammed was fantastic. In his rant to Ted, it's clear that he doesn't believe himself when he says that it 'didn't fall into his lap.' He knows it did, and it's killing him.
Yes, I hope he gets the Emmy next year for this season. But I think he means that he did earn it by already having the qualities of a really good coach. I think he did earn it and he probably realizes that Ted didn't earn this role. Although it's all the more impressive that Ted was supposed to fail and instead succeeded in many ways. Nate should appreciate that, but I think for him, it's all about the game.
I also thought there was a parallel created between Ted feeling like his father abandoned him when his father was suffering from mental health issues / depression and Nate feeling like Ted abandoned him when Ted was struggling with mental health / anxiety issues. You can hate what is happening to Nate’s character all you want but I think the descent into madness has a purpose.
Honestly I think the point of Nate's descent was more to show that success and attention won't fix someone's problem. Unless you work on your underlying issues, you'll never really be happy.
@@KS-xk2so You know, there can be multiple points and purposes to a fictional characters behavior. And I don’t think that it’s as linear as success and power can cause greed. Especially from a show that tries to create complexity and connection in many aspects, such as in their use of novels. It’s too simple for the show and we’ve seen it a thousand times before. Nate’s choice of words to Ted about feeling abandoned and Nate being the one to reveal Ted’s mental health issues and as a result Ted having to address it and announce it to the press is important. I’m just saying that there was definitely a parallel set up and I think Ted will end up coming to terms with his father’s suicide and understand that his dad was struggling with mental health issues and that it had nothing to do with him and he wasn’t abandoned and he can’t save everyone and I think the breakdown of his relationship with Nate will play a part in how he learns this.
Yet another insight that hadn't occurred to me. Between this video and the comments here, I'm realizing things I hadn't noticed. Amazing show. Also, much as I cannot stand Nate right now, I hope Nick Mohammed (sp?) gets at least another nomination for an Emmy for season 2, preferably a win. I think he's done a tremendous job with this role from the first episode to the season 2 ending.
@@janetbeatrice9505 Nick is an amazing actor for sure. He plays his role well and I wonder how much the two characters are one and the same person. I don't think Nick is mean though.
Nate needed a lot of therapy, the inability to think he's enough and being called exactly the things he's afraid of being called drove him crazy. It's sad, he was so good for Richmond 😔
I was amazed that my overwhelming reaction to Nate, after frustration for his making poor decisions, was that I wanted to see him have a chance to heal. I wanted him to exorcise his demons. I empathized with him so much.
I think it's true that being cheerful has to be balanced by being real, but I also don't think that Ted let Nate down. Rewatching the season, he's just as supportive as in the first season, he's always trying to support everyone, but it's not enough for Nate, because Ted can't save him no matter what he does. No one can. I think there's a certain level of insecurity that is just ego, because it's a demand that the only focus be on Nate's feelings literally all the time. It's not Ted's responsibility to fix Nate, but he still tried. He didn't fail him. He was just never going to be able to save him on his own. Ted hasn't had an easy life, he just works really hard to try and be a good person. I'm sure that makes Nate angry too, because he knows he's using past hardship as an excuse to behave badly. Even Jamie puts in the work, accepts help, becomes better. Ted has a lot of flaws, but he always tries to help people, and I don't think he wronged Nate.
i loved how we saw Ted losing it along the way, while his players were also changing to be better. He was always quirky, but his facade starts to crumble, and no one is there for him, as he's done for others. He struggles with mental health, and can't find something to shrug it off. I have so many thoughts for this show, but one thing I know for sure: No one expected to cry this much with a "comedy" show.
Nah Rebecca was always there for him. And its not that people weren't there were for him. Its the fact that he didn't know how to rely on anyone else. His arc in season 2 was partially about learning to let others help him through his evolving relationship with the therapist
Ted's character is all about being a goldfish but Ted doesn't take his own advice. He hides behind humor. Later he had to admit the panic attack cuz it made the papers. If it weren't for that article his attack would be unknown.
There is a very important moment in S2 finale. When Ted apologizes to the players for not being forthright about his mental health struggles, they all show up for him. And that ONLY happens because Ted has been there for them, through and through. And Nate cannot see that yet, or maybe ever. I hope he does or else he is setting himself up for a (potentially) successful but (more than likely) lonely life.
@@realworkoutsforrealpeople743 Ted only came forward with the truth cuz it was exposed by Nate to the media. If he hadn't said anything Ted non of the team members would know it was a panic attack. Ted keeps things very private and hides behind humor.. Nate will be just as lonely as ever.
I knew Nate was going to leave and turn his back on Richmond as soon as he started treating Will (his replacement I believe) like crap. He knew how bad it felt to be treated as less than and yet he still did it to someone else.
there's 2 kinds of people. One who because they went through some kind of hardship, feel that everyone else should too (hence why nate treated Will the way people used to treat him) and those who feel no one else should have to go through what they went through
Nate had every opportunity for a huge swath of time to use his words and talk to Ted about his feelings but was instead spineless to the point of /forcing/ Ted to make him stand up for himself. He sexually harrassed Keeley and betrayed his mentor in the span of 24 hours and takes absolutely no responsibility for his actions. I don’t have a ton of empathy for insecure men who would be just as much of a bully as their own once they get the platform to.
Yes thats right. And thats what makes him to the villain. As ted says, its what you Do that makes you to a good or Bad person. And nate has the reasons, but could chose other ways to handle his fears.
**Warning S1 & S2 spoilers in this comment** By the end of S2 Nate is a grown ass man who is *choosing* to act like a jerk despite Ted giving him a well-deserved leg up in the beginning (by the time he comes to Richmond in S1). Ted may serve as a sort of artificial father-figure for his players and those he interacts with, but it is not his responsibility to constantly be 'doing the work' for others - that inherently prevents them from actively growing. Instead he simply offers them kindness and opportunities to rise to the occasion. One could argue that Ted showed the same consideration for Nate that he did for Jamie, and Jamie does actively begin to embrace his own potential with his help (and Roy's). In that way, I found it ridiculous that Nate is adopting some kind of child-like victimization in his emotional tirade at the end of S2. I don't see Nate's behavior as a fault/failure of Ted's optimism, but rather I felt it almost more of a commentary on perceived reality and expectation after experiencing something that you have been sorely lacking and craving in your life (in this case it's support and approval). Nate is with Ted every day and could have chosen to speak with him at any point if he felt he truly wasn't being heard or understood. I mean look at all the characters in the show that have: Keely, Rebecca, Roy, Jamie, Sam, even the new guy Will, etc. While I understand that Nate has a foundation based in resentment and insecurity, and has had to actively work that much more for everything he has earned both as a man of color and someone who suffers from insecurity, as adults we all have the opportunity to *choose* with every day and moment to be kind and whether we choose "light". Of course there is always a negative to binary positivity and the show does a wonderful job exploring this subtly, but in a world where we are arguably actively lacking kindness almost entirely as a global society, Ted Lasso exists as a kind of beacon for us all - characters and audiences alike. Nate actively choosing to reject that kindness and light in S2 as a means to reach "success" and ultimately blaming Ted in his own anger and guilt only illuminate his immaturity and his *choice* to value ego over everything else.
Thank you for your sanity. Nate would still be the kit boy if Ted never showed up. Nate should be thankful for opportunities he wouldn’t have gotten otherwise, instead he is a jerk. That’s not on Ted…or anyone else for that matter Nate is a grown up.
All this is fine but for a guy with low self esteem you need to push people like them and make them love themselves. He was a nobody and suddenly he was the star but Ted got the credit. Deep down he hates himself and its the hate that drives him not the love of the game. Its the us vs the world that's deep within him. Its nobody's responsibility but Nate to take care of himself but Ted kept running away as well. Toxic Positivity is saying, life is good despite it being shit. Positivity is saying, yup life is shit but that's ok. Ted was too into his own issues and didn't understand how to manage the most important person in his group.
Amazing how many dudes were flabbergasted that such a sweet, "nice guy" like Nate could be such a douche with a nasty other side when he wasn't getting the attention he felt he was due. Woman everyone shrugged their shoulders and said, 'yup, sounds about right.'
The flabbergasted guys were likely the genuine nice guys that I assure don’t know what attention feels like (I know, I married one. Attention makes him uncomfortable) and the guys you’re talking about are the “nice guys” who use it as a manipulation tool, and will put on whatever persona they think will get them laid.
@Juan Torres Unfortunately, a lot of sweet guys get treated like garbage by women, especially in teens and early twenties. And when women get to the realization that they actually want nice guys, there are PUA types and guys “with game” who will put on the facade of niceness, mislead women about wanting something serious and ghost them right after. And the genuinely sweet guys end up getting punished because the “nice guys” conditioned so many women not to trust them. But for the love of everything, if you’re a sweet guy, stay sweet. Don’t let the bullshit turn you bitter. If you’re struggling to find a partner, take time away and do things that you enjoy. My husband had given up before we met, but he used that time on hobbies and friends instead of going down the red pill rabbit hole.
You should do a video on the '20-years-later' sequel. We're getting a flood of them and I think it can be seen a few ways: A chance to breath life and add depth to simple stories we've internalized as a culture, or an admittance that Hollywood is too scared to take even the slightest risk.
Right!? also, it would be interesting touching on the fact that so many of these sequels are coming out and erasing the past sequels’ continuity in the series canon (Halloween 2018, Ghostbusters: Afterlife, etc.). Is there something to say about how technologically and thematically audiences are more open to certain risks than they were before, giving storytellers the ability to touch on topics that were frowned upon when the sequels originally came out? Or is it just MONEY MONEY MONEY GRAB MONEY YUM
When Nate confronts Ted at the end, the acting is superb because we can tell that as soon as his words leave his mouth he realizes how unfair and untrue they are, he realizes he has misplaced his anger. You can see it all over his face, Ted sees it too, but Nate is arrogant and proud, he will not take it back, he won’t apologize and he will go down and burn bridges rather than admit he is wrong, at least at this point in the story.
Yeah Nate was looking at this the wrong way. Jaime I feel is more of a threat because they had a actual relationship, and he knows keely deep down still loves Jaime. There is no history with Nate and so it was just a mistake and she knows that as well.
But also Nate and Keeley do NOT have a sexual history. I bet you $100 that if Keeley had expressed any kind of romantic interest in Nate before Roy, Roy would have flipped out.
Just a note on the Nate and Jose Mourinho parallels: Mourinho was a limited player who got a foothold as an interpreter for the universally well-liked, amiable English coach Bobby Robson when Robson moved to Barcelona. Robson took a shine to him and Mourinho found a pathway into coaching as Robson promoted him to assistant. Mourinho always had a mischievous side to his character which curdled into something more sour and darker when he was overlooked for the Barcelona job. Mourinho’s carried an almost obsessive anti-Barcelona, and anti-expansive, entertaining football as embodied by Barcelona, animus ever since.
you could even add that Roy is probably mirroring Pep Guardiola as a former player becoming Coach in his own merit, the only difference is that Roy Kent didn't spent all of his career in Richmond
The problem of that comparison is that Mourinho was openly thrown out of the “race” for the job because of Cruyff. Cruyff loved Guardiola as a player and - later - as a manager. Even though Mourinho had the CV and most of the board on his side, Cruyff had the last word and Guardiola became the manager. It’s a bit different, I think.
And, unlike Nate, before he lost the plot a few years ago, Mourinho was a very good man manager who understood psychology, and he didn't rely on one tactic. His teams set EPL records for fewest goals conceded in a season (15: Chelsea 2004/05) and most goals scored in a La Liga season (118: Real Madrid 2011/12). He would _never_ advocate parking the bus down three goals in a Cup semifinal. Above all, he is a pragmatist.
The best explanation to Nate's change of behaviour I read was when Nate was at the bottom, people in "Power" were all mean and cruel, so that was his definition of success and power. That powerful people are mean to those below them. And the people at the bottom have to be quiet. So when Nate got a little bit of power, he started acting like his superiors acted towards him when he was at the bottom
I actually really like Nate, he relatable as a human being, I think he’s fantastically written character, the best in the show, because as the video says we know he’s brilliant. He has a rich background, as an overlooked minority that added to his lower self steem and a overly critical parent made him and insecure person everywhere he went. I hope the show makes him justice and whatever end we get, we get to see a refined Nate. Nick Mohammed is also very good as an actor, the performance ads a lot to what we see are Nate inner/true feelings instead of just a dialogue. I’m very looking forward a season 3 and his character arc.
This is really well put. I agree that Nate is relatable (and beautifully written). I don't think he's irredeemable simply because he showed weaknesses (including the need to bully others and puff up his own ego/insecurities) -- they are pretty human. As a former bullying victim, I loathe bullies, but I also saw how easy it was for some who were bullied along with me to turn around and do it to others just to feel that sense of power. Ultimately, much of Nate's behavior is about his hatred of himself, not of others -- I do still believe think that, as with Jamie (to a lesser degree) that Ted will be there for Nate when he inevitably hits bottom working with Rupert, and that Nate will still be redeemed (and a happier, more secure person).
Ted's press conference about discussing and dealing with mental health in athletics, came not long after Simone Biles opted out of that Olympic competition, so the timing of that subject couldn't have been any better. Anyway, Nate's storyline was really well done, and the best thing about Season 2. I was less high on the Sam/Rebecca romance though.
I don’t think Nates anger was actually directed at Ted. I feel like his anger stems from the relationship Nate has with his father. You see it with the window seat episode, he wants his father to see and acknowledge him. Ted saw Nates potential and gave him an opportunity to utilize it. What did Higgins say to Keeley about moving on from Rebecca (and I’m paraphrasing here) but a great mentor wants you to go and succeed and do all the things. Ted gave him that chance and instead of continuing to strive in the position and branch out he turned all that into hate instead of confronting his father
Its what they say in the Video though. He just projects his own fears, grief and Anger on ted. Thats why ted is also a reason for nates behaviour, also when its of course Not his fault.
Nate’s moral downfall has been apparent since season 1 though - there’s a tweet from Nick Mohammed (the actor) that details hints of his assholeness throughout the show, such as how his pre-game speech contains belittlement of the players, or how his first lines of the entire show are him exercising power by yelling at Ted and Beard to get off the pitch before he knew they were coaches
That was amazing analysis. The message this show sends about fathers and the impact they have on these characters is so poignant. Jamie's dad turned him into a bully. Ted's dad turned him into someone with toxic positivity. Nate's dad made him feel inadequate and turned him into a bully to prove himself. Really the message is that men shouldn't be holding their feelings in.
I still haven't stopped thinking about this show. I even wonder if Nate's surname, Shelley, and his mother's name (who is credited as Maria Shelley) is a nod to the gothic author of Frankenstein, Mary Shelley. Nate was not born a monster, a monster was created inside of him. I fully expect Nate to have a redemption arc in Season 3. And I actually think that he might even have a heavy hand in even helping to give a redemption arc to Rupert. Nate will learn that Rupert's love and attention is conditional; he will wildly praise him when he succeeds, but when he fails, well...I predict that there will be a scene that mirrors the one in the Season 2 finale when Ted is honest to the team about his struggles with anxiety and all the team told him that they have his back, but when Nate admits the anxiety that he feels because of the pressure that he is under to Rupert and his team, they will all turn their backs to him. Rupert is a character who we enjoy seeing humiliated, but I think that Nate will become a 'heroic' character again through being the one to help Rupert grow. Like how Jamie grew from being a 'selfish little prick' who was obsessed with chasing fame and glory, to becoming a team player who gives up a penalty kick opportunity that would lead to a moment of glory to Dani Rojas so that he could help his teammate overcome the accident with Earl.
I agree Nate is getting a redemption arch but I don't think Rupert is getting one. With Jamie, Rebecca, and Nate the show went out of its way to make sure we understand their behavior (it never excuses it, but it makes sure we understand it is partially something external to them). Rupert is not a character it cares we empathize with at all and exists mostly to teach us about other characters. In S1 Rupert is supposed to show us that A) Ted is not simply a rube who blindly trusts everyone, rather Ted can people for who they truly are and that incudes seeing through Rupert both with the darts game and with understanding that it was Rupert who caused the musician to cancel in the first place. B ) Explain Rebecca's actions. S2 he literally only appears so Nate can turn to the dark side. I suspect he will have a bigger roll in S3 to act as a foil for Nate making Nate's redemption path more pronounced, but he himself will just remain human garbage.
This is one of the most intelligent, thoughtful movie/show synopses I've ever heard. Can you please upload the video a few more times; I don't feel like I've hit the "like" button enough times.
You miss a huge detail: Nate thinks Ted doesn’t care because of the picture. Little does he know, that picture is the only picture in Ted’s apartment other than the one of his son. The show purposefully showed us that detail to prove that Nate’s rage is misplaced, inspired from ignorance.
Finally we are discussing toxic positivity. I had a friend who was like that and she told me I was too negative and blocked me. I was a victim of sexual assault and I was facing racism so me being “ too negative” was my TRAUMA.
it's not just about that. It's more nuancd than that. Nate couldn't process his emotions and couldn't react properly because the way he was brought up was through negative parenting. Nothing was ever enough for his dad and when Ted encouraged Nate, it felt like a drug. And he wanted more and more of it.
I think I have toxic positivity and I just realized this, I came out from a huge depression, and as of right now, I have been trying to be as positive as I can. My mother and aunt just lost their jobs and I have been trying to stay positive and I am trying to make them feel better but truth is, there is no good side to this. I have been saying “don’t be so negative” but there is no good thing about this, I understand their cynicism, how can someone stay positive during that? I am trying to stay positive because I know that if I see the negative side, I will probably get depressed again and I don't want to go back to feeling miserable but this positivity isn’t healthy. On another note, I am so sorry, you deserve to mourn and you deserve healing, I hope you get better friends
I've been talking about toxic positivity and this show for awhile and this will be a good thing to link people to. I love how the show is deconstructing these aspects, being like sure Ted's way SEEMS good at first, but second season is like 'is it tho'
i disagree, it's not JUST about "toxic positivity" but moreso how Nate was unable to process his emotions and reactioons properly becuase of how he was brought up/his life experienced were. He lived in an environment where nothing was good enough and when Ted gave him love, he craved it and craved it it was shown throughout the series.
Its not just self esteem and self love that we are indirectly looking for in the dark side.. its love . Its the fatherly love that heals and destroys the dark side. And We are all broken without it. But our FATHER in heaven still wishes to heal the world with his love. God is love.
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I'm the exact opposite. I watched this channel all the time when they were small time but lately I've hated literally every "take," they've had. Unfortunately they got 1 less subscriber today
Tis showis a true gem. So much is shown here. It such a realistic depiction of over positivity toxicity,, heartbreak and trauma and their epercussions in many forms but also the healing power of therapy and self care or the vicious effects of ego. Brilliant cast brilliant writing.
This take is so dark that it takes away all the positive outcomes a well-intentioned human being can take from such a so brilliant and heartfelt series! I believe that the brilliant take in this video could be presented in a better way, spreading love and hope, and avoiding any toxic idea like what so called "toxic masculinity" and its irrelevant connection with "toxic positivity"!
Nate the Great became Nate the Ingrate. By the end of the season, I couldn't stand the sight of him. Also the gradual graying of his hair was a unique physical representation of his downfall.
This video was perfect - loved the whitening of his hair. The metaphor that he is trying so hard to get away from the nickname wonder KID, by looking older/wiser. Perfect writing
For those that know of Jung's concept of The Shadow, season 2 of Ted Lasso was even more of a treat. Plenty of Jungian/Freudian psychology throughout the father themes as well, but The Shadow shows up with Ted and Nate throughout the season.
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In a weird way, Ted Lasso reminds me of Chester Bennington from Linkin Park, who died by suicide in 2017. Chester seemed to have both a dark and a light side. He had a tough life and definitely channeled that into his music, but he was also kind and funny -- at least that's how he presented himself to the world, I don't know if he was always like that in his private life. Chester always struck me as someone who actively chose to treat people well because he didn't want anyone else to feel like he felt. I think that's also the case for Lasso. And I also think Chester could be kind to everybody else but himself, which might be why in the end he lost his battle to depression. I think that's also the case for Lasso -- but hopefully he'll have a happier ending! I do appreciate people who strive to be kind. Back in the late 2000s and 2010s, the trend was anti-heroes and dark and brooding, which I was never able to get on board with. It's easier to give in to cynicism and mysanthropy than it is to hold on to hope and kindness (I speak from experience). In the words of Diana Prince, a.k.a. Wonder Woman, it's not about deserve, it's about what you believe. So I like people who try to see the best in others. But then again, you need to include yourself in your scope.
ngl this video made me shed a tear :') The characters in this show are so complex yet deep down, they're all so relatable. I could see a lot of my own insecurities in Nate. no matter how much they show made people hate him, he's just a hurt person hurting others. I hope he gets redemption
I remember when I learned that toxic positivity was a thing. I didn't even need it explained, I was already so aware of it and knew what it was, given it's term. That was one of the best days for my mental health recuperation EVER!
The thing is Ted deals with his conflicts with others very directly while being avoidant of the conflicts within himself while Nate has always been avoidant of conflicts with positions of authority. When Ted is trying to resolve his self avoidance, he's distracted from Nate's issues, meanwhile Nate holds everything in until he lashes out.
As much as I want Nate to return, I kind of hope Season 3 is about Nate getting worse. Like he goes undefeated and gets an ego larger than anything before. I then hope we get to see his life outside of work with this increased ego. Sometimes people become Nate and success does follow, which is why Nate can be compared to a irl coach. This show has been nothing but fantastic in representing real core issues people go through and I can't wait for Season 3.
I don't think toxic positivity is the issue here. Ted Lasso is an extremely positive but that doesn't mean he does not have regular emotions or hurdles like other humans do. Ted is not suppressing these negative emotions using this toxic positivity but more like he doesn't know how to deal with these. The only avenue that one would use is therapy but one of his problems - his failed marriage, was due to therapy (that is Ted's belief). So it is less about positivity solving everything and more about Ted learning that just because someone is paid to do something, doesn't mean they don't care. Therapists just like Coaches are people and they can care while they get paid. Now coming to Nate. Nate has a bunch of insecurities stemming from his father and always wanting to impress him. Nate believes that Ted will be his surrogate father and give him that attention but that is unrealistic. Trying to impress a father figure and Ted supporting that is not what Nate needs. Nate needs therapy and acceptance of himself and needs to stand up for himself. Nate needs to stop adhering to his father's toxic high standards and perpetuating that cycle on other players. Ted was busy with his own problems so there is some hate that he wasn't THERE for Nate. But even if the was, Ted can't fix this. This is deeper than coaching. This needs therapy. I am not sure if Ted would realize that or suggest therapy to Nate. The coaching team has different skills. Ted is morale, Roy is context since he was a player, Beard does something (insight? listens?) and Nate is technical. I would say Beard should have done more and told Ted or suggested therapy to Nate but again that is too much on any person to solve another person's deep seated personality issues. Ted's optimism has limits on what it can solve. I wish Nate got time with Sharon during this show because he is the one who needed therapy the most. I believe Season 3 can go one of 2 ways. Either Nate is the villain who gets defeated by the end of the season when the team wins the championship or.. what I'd love is for Nate to have a redemption arc. Similar to Jaime's redemption arc and return to the team. Nate coaches the other team and either fails horribly or they win but it feel hollow while he sees Ted's team is a cohesive unit even during failure. Basically something makes Nate come back to either Ted or the team. Then Nate gets therapy (maybe Sharon has a cameo in Season 3), accepts himself and stands up to his father. Perhaps even joins the team so they win their championship by end of Season 3. I really hope they have a redemption arc for Nate but even if they don't, sometimes people are in pain and their problems don't get fixed and that is how is it. It is very sad but that is the tragic life of a villain.
If toxic positivity ist a Problem here at all for you, you should maybe just watch it again and hear what the creators say. Its the foundation of the whole Serie, just pushing that away is ridiculous
May not be actual psychology, but Ted is an Enneagram 7 to the core (positive, enthusiastic, curious, open to new experiences) who like all 7s avoids sadness and emotional turmoil. Nate is an unhealthy Enneagram 3 (craves attention & acknowledgement, hardworking, driven). They are both, like many of the characters on Ted Lasso, ‘real people’, which makes this show so good.
You should do one about the evolution of Emily Gilmore from Gilmore Girls. How she went from being perfect to letting go and finding herself in the reboot!!
Thank you for this. This was my exact takeaway and you were able to take all of my thoughts about season 2 and form it into words and a beautiful video.
Toxic positivity was definitely a thing in my household growing up, so with all the sentiments circling around Ted Lasso, I stayed far away from the show. Seeing that this toxic side of positivity is a driver of the show itself and is critiqued as it goes on, I'm now excited to watch it! This was a super insightful essay, awesome job Take crew!
Can you do a video on the Mistress and what motivates her to go with married men, how she and the wife are victims of the Patriarchy and Internalized Misogyny, and why both the Wife and Mistress may be paired with dysfunctional or mediocre men who don't do their lion's share of the emotional labor. Speaking of mistresses I am close to finishing American Crime Story Impeachment and I am so reminded of how much the nineties really hated on any ounce of body fat on women (so hard for our D.C. Joan Holloway) but while real women were being told to embrace Heroin Chic and the aerobicized beauty of the 1980s, animated women especially mothers were being drawn as super curvaceous (especially around the hips, behind, and thighs). We need to talk about that
@@Omar-qf2dg you've managed to say absolutely nothing and yet you are in 2021 using the word "woke" unironocally, implying a large gap in your fundamental understanding of the world, and "wokeness". OP contributed topics they found interesting to discuss, you contributed an emotional slew of empty buzzwords. Well done mate loll
Nate was fragile. Nate was given opportunities to shine. Nate was still insecure. Remember how he refused to acknowledge his funny mistake during an interview? Let others make him feel bad b/c he only had the suit Ted bought him? How he kept looking at social media about himself? And Nate was awful to his replacement? And then Nate betrays Ted to media? Nate is blaming Ted for his own insecurity.
i think a lot of nate's anger stems from the fact that he doesn't get the approval from his father and that episode where nate gets all of the praise for his coaching. his father tells him to not get caught up in it and humility is the answer to success. i think what will happen in season 3 is that richmond will succeed and overcome obstacles while nate completely loses it.
I kind of wish Rupert would hire Dr. Sharon in season 3 so Nate could work through his issues. He's an insecure, petty little man but not beyond salvation. That probably won't happen, though.
I felt so helpless watching Nate in season 2. But I don't think Ted paying more attention would have helped, really. Not only because Ted *needs* to be focusing on his own mental health, for his own good and others', but because the roots are so much deeper. I kept wishing Nate would go speak to Doc, but I knew he wouldn't. The False 9 was such a case in point... First he was angry because he assumed Ted would take credit for it. Then when Ted naturally kept calling it "Nate's False 9", Nate said that was so Ted could shift the blame when the team inevitably couldn't do it. Ted was damned if he did, damned if he didn't - because it was never about him. It was about Nate. And everything has become about Nate to Nate at this point. It's so, so sad and I hope we see him find some genuine self love and growth in the next season, though I don't see narratively how that would work :(
Nate is suffering from something called supporting character syndrome, he could sense that he would never truly be as important or as noteworthy as Ted Lasso or any of the other tall beautiful characters, Roy didn't see him as a threat the same way he saw confident attractive Jamie as a threat, he is now become the villain in order to be in the same level.
I'm so glad that Man U saw the light and chucked Jose Marinio very quickly....I can definitely see the parallels between him and Nate. That being said, my father is VERY similar to Nate's father and withheld praise all the time. It caused me to spend a lot of energy masking my pain like Ted and Nate do during the series. Fortunately, I now have an amazing therapist that is helping me follow the path of Luke instead of Anakin. I hope that Nate is able to find some peace and healing in Season 3. He deserves that for himself.
Big difference between the two is that the Special One is loved by many of his former players (at Porto, Chelsea, and Inter especially), while the Wonder Kid doesn't have that level of affection or respect. Mourinho uses psychology rather than insecurity to motivate himself and others.
As someone who's very much against toxic positivity AND a huge fan of Ted Lasso (the show and the person), I enjoyed this and found it insightful. What caused me to be taken in by the show was Ted's genuine kindness and decency, even though his positivity and optimism are over the top. When he forgave Rebecca, I think I teared up a little. But the show does an excellent job of showing how Ted's positive attitude eats away at him. I'm curious to find out if Nate will find a healthier way to deal with his lack of self-esteem. But not everyone changes, and he seems to be on a one-way path. I'm looking forward to finding out what's in store for us next season.
i feel like the relationship between ted and nate wasn’t effected by toxic positivity. nates an adult who let power get to his head he’s unable to deal with praise since he was bullied and had a distance father. teds issues needed to be deal with his issues nate was so unsympathetic after he learned about teds panic attacks and still acts like ted did something to him.
Ted's positivity was his coping mechanism for how his life had radically changed. Nate's problem was his need for constant validation. Above all else I'd say Nate despises himself for existing so long as a repressed person.
Funny how Sam's dad is the best parent but we never see him. Also, would love to see you talk about the power imbalance between him and Rebecca. He's 21, she's in her 50s. She literally owns the company he works, controls his career. But they make him seem so "suave", also because we're used to imagining black people as older or more mature than they actually are. If Rebecca were a man, this wouldn't be an empowering journey for her where she gets to use her barely legal employee for personal self fulfilment. It would be a creepy story about power abuse, as it should be. If anyones 21 year old sibling or child called them up to talk about the 50 year old boss they were dating, most people would immediately start trying to get them help. The idea that she walked into the restaurant, saw Sam, recognized the implications of possibly grooming him, then still went along with it because Sam was "just so mature" and "She couldn't help herself" is giving both Black male adultification and White female infatalisation simultaneously. She's the one with almost 30 years on him, but he's the one making all the moves and she's just following? Lol sure.
@@m3rrys0ngstr3ss yeah I think the comment is too harsh on the show, especially when the relationship was put on hold the same episode it started and the last scene was Sam saying he made the decision for his own personal career and not to be around Rebecca.
I wonder if Nate's dad will pop in season 3, I feel like he's the person who will save him from the dark side. They get to a have a 1 on 1 conversation where Nate get's to pour all his emotions and frustrations out.
fortunately i stopped after about 2 and a half minutes so it's only 2.5 minutes of my life i won't be getting back. nate never got past needing ted's affirmation instead of developing his own self confidence.
There are several comments like this and I also share a passion for this show after finishing season 2, but I dont think that the outcome of Nate turning bad from his own insecurities is a direct cause from Ted. Ted showed Nate that he had some worth and that he should trust in himself more. Nate's inner demons and insecurities are what drove him away from Ted, just like Jamie started to in season 1 before Keeley comvinced him Ted wasnt out to "get him" Nates issues, mistrust, and power struggle stems from his parents, his feeling and fear of going back to being unnoticed and his low self esteem. Although positivity in certain situations cam be toxic and can hurt relationships, Ted's positivity towards the people around him is more empathetic and healthy, and ultimately had very little to do with Nate and his downfall.
9:12 I mean... Did he tough? He literally only got the job because Ted listened to his strategy. Had they hired a manager who knew the sport, Nate would still be the kit man, because nobody would've listened to a word he was saying. Remember the amount of shock in Crimm's voice when Ted told him the teams attack was Nate's idea? That's how everybody else would take his input. Real big "stay in your lane, guy" energy.
“This just didn’t fall into my lap”…..yeah but it kind of did. Ted Lasso fell in a way into Nate’s lap. Like Cus Damato falling in Tyson’s lap. Even the best get some kind of break outside of their control, which is why we stay humble and appreciative.
In season 2 when he treated Will (the fill in for Nate’s previous job) poorly and belittled him every chance Nate had, that was already reason enough for me to dislike the character. Nate picked on the people he saw as weak and those he saw as stronger than him, he instantly rolls over on his back. Also Nate’s father is quite horrible.
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All the irony of toxic positivity, turning from good to the dark side and rich people being unrelatable makes the fact that Kyrsten Sinema and Mitt Romney mocking everyday working Americans by imitating this show very ironic. In a way they're kinda mocking themselves cause these negative attributes are clearly representative of them... Corrupt politicians. Also corrupt people watching and being fans of a show about being good and kind people is also even more ironic. I don't know if they're being that cruel and ironic or they're just stupid.
I have a hard time with the idea that it was Ted's fault that Nate went rogue. Ted had his own mental health that he needed to work on in season 2, and Nate is an adult who is responsible for his own actions. I don't like the idea that if you work on yourself and your wellbeing that takes your attention away from other people who may "need" you. (Also ripping the believe sign was a punch to the gut that I have a hard time forgiving Nate for.)
Completely agree. Nate is an adult and Ted is not responsible for that descent into darkness - and Ted was amazing amazing coach and leader.
I agree. This entire video is garbage.
There were moments where Ted did add fuel to the fire with Nate's insecurities like laughing when Nate wanted to go and speak to the player, but a lot of what Nate gets angry about is petty, I think both will grow over season 3 and will get back together and Richmond will win the premier league
I think Nate wants validation from a father figure because he doesn't get it from his own father. He is an adult, yes, but being an adult doesn't negate the idea of wanting to be perceived or looked at from someone you admire.
You cant just promote someone into a new role, then leave them to fly or fail.
You need to CONTINUE the training, the ability to handle the newfound stress and pressures that come with a promotion
It was heartbreaking how Nate just misinterprets everything around him like when Nate said that Ted didn't have the picture of the two of them together on his desk when in fact Ted has it in his home next to a picture of his son.
I know! I wanted Ted to tell Nate that he kept the pic so badly!!
Omg just realized this.. yes..! He put it in his home, not his desk.. poor Nate misunderstanding Ted.
(I think you meant 'misinterpret')
small things like this is what makes this show so dam good.
I didn't even realize that.
Oh wow, I didn't notice that.
Ted’s positivity was toxic to himself, yes. But perhaps if someone being genuinely nice to you causes you to “go dark side,” that has everything to do with your own character and far less to do with the person who’s literally just. Been kind to you.
Well said!👍
i dont think thats what the Take is going for, its that Ted's positivity to Nate in S1 was only surface level and made Nate feel super high but was not followed up on by genuine feedback to Nate or confronting him on his insecurities. Ted treated Nate like some typical side character/underdog in a movie, instead of like a real person. Nate was also given a giant promotion and yet Ted, his mentor, was not there for him enough to guide him on the newfound responsibility. Ted likely thought the promotion was enough as it was a typical "Hollywood" ending for an underdog. Obviously Nate's choices are his own, but I beleive the Take is arguing that Ted's traditional approach in S1 is not necessarily bad, but has its limits and needs to be complemented by actually tackling issues head on isntead of running away from things.
Ted's positivity being toxic to himself (acting like everything is ok and running away from introspection) bleeds into his relationship with Nate: he only was there on the surface level and refuses to call Nate out on his clear transgressions and insecurities
@@arjunwali9885 Just because Ted’s positivity isn’t what Nate wanted or needed by season 2 doesn’t mean it’s toxic. Just because Ted wasn’t able to know exactly what Nate and his particular mental state wanted or needed from him doesn’t mean Ted is responsible for Nate’s actions later on. Nate was an adult. His inclusion in the “diamond dogs” group shows Ted treated him not as a pet project, but more as an equal. Not only that but Ted was struggling heavily with his own mental health throughout the season. If Nate needed help, he could have asked.
@@conorfinn2860 you don’t think it was weird that the dude literally went grey in a matter of weeks, and no one asked him whether he was okay? No one noticed Nate in season two. Beard pulled him aside about the Colin thing, and just said to apologise, instead of asking what the hell it was about. He didn’t get a scene with Sharon, his first solo scene with Ted was in the final episode. Diamond dogs get to have a meeting to gossip about Beard and Jane, but Higgins never wonders “Why has Nate aged 20 years in two months?” All of his only known friends forgot he existed after they decided he was in a good place.
I'm glad that the show addresses that there is no such thing as happy all the time. Sometimes things are horrible and you need to address them. I think this show also brings into attention how much toxic parenting can affect someone in the long run. All that negativity is taught to us from such an early age that it hits deeper than anything else and can be hard to work through.
Seems like most of the men have terrible issues with Father's. Not sure if we know about Roy's father. Sam's father is great!!!!! Ted's father was probably ok but if he's depressed then Ted could have been neglected
i needed this bit of wisdom today, thankyou
I think many people ( probably myself included) don’t realize how incredibly nuanced this show’s writing actually is.
Honestly if you go back and rewatch there are many jokes in the early Episodes that don’t play out until later episodes that you’ve probably forgotten about
Well it is a Bill Lawrence show 🤷🏽♂️
I was stunned by how incredible this show is. I was NOT expecting this show to fire me up on so many fronts. I’ve been through a lot in the last two years and this show had me crying with happiness and sadness. Amazing. It’s so shallow and so deep all at the same time.
It’s perfection
Nate is a grown ass man. His problems are his problems. He was completely out of line all season. No one else to blame but himself.
They also dont say that its teds fault, they say teds behaviour causes nates Anger. And that Anger is caused because he Projekts his own fears into everything ted does for him of Not. So its of course right, that ted has his own problems and that nate is an adult who shouldnt need ted. But the whole fkn Video is about two people who does wrong Things without their fault, they say all the reasons. Yet there are so many people who does exactly what this Video also say, they try to push away everything that could cause them thinking negative about ted. Its just paradox because ted is even a nice Charakter when he is relatable and has downsides. If He would be perfect and would Do everything right All the time, He would be very Boring and Not authentic.
Before you get angry about people changing your views, think about why you are angry. Its Not about the Video, its about yourself!
@@fabulousk9014 ok
@@fabulousk9014 then they are wrong. Nate has been angry since day 1 and has continuously lied about it and put on a false face of happiness and agreement. He has always believed he was Nate the Great but was to cowardly to put it forward.
@@robertblume2951 I'd argue it's exactly the opposite. He NEVER believed he was Nate the Great, he probably still doesn't. But he so desperately WANTS to believe it that he latched on to Ted's supportiveness like a lifeline, and when Ted stopped providing him with around-the-clock attention and validation (because Ted had other stuff going on), Nate felt betrayed.
@@alexanderwinn9407 if he did believe then why did he say he earned his spot? No he was the secret king all along and that's why he felt he deserved that constant attention and validation and that's why it's a betrayal not to give it.
I genuinely don’t understand people who thought Season Two was a step down from Season One. The sheer complexity of the character writing in the second outing is far more ambitious and intricate.
My only problem with it was the cartoon dog. We didn’t need that
I think the Christmas episode and a few of the earlier episodes really didn't have much conflict or development what was interesting, but it really started to pick up towards the end of the season
@@jonathanwing2780 The Christmas Special and "Beard After Hours" were both written after the main ten episodes, as they were order later in development.
Agreed. I LOVED the first season. But once the story was established, they expanded on it beautifully in season 2. Maybe it's the people who liked the over-positivity of season 1 that disliked season 2. I love the whole show.
@@janetbeatrice9505 Season 1 is comfort food. It's not complex or challenging, but that's never the point. It's meant to restore and rejuvenate the consumer, which can be exactly what one needs when they feel subpar. That said, eating the same comfort food over and over again has the opposite effect, so it's fortunate that Season 2 tries a newer, more daring recipe.
9:01 I feel like Nate didn't work his way up tho. Kit managers aren't normally able to become assistant coaches. Nate got his job, yes because Ted was incompetent and needed the help of someone that actually knew football, but also mainly because Ted saw potential in him and gave him what was a once in a lifetime chance.
Yeah true, but i think the Show just suggest it as Hard work because All These Thing are pretty unrealistic anyway and people will just accept it as a movie Thing
I loved season 2. While Nate's arc is frustrating to watch, it was very well done and Nick Mohammed was fantastic.
In his rant to Ted, it's clear that he doesn't believe himself when he says that it 'didn't fall into his lap.' He knows it did, and it's killing him.
Yes, I hope he gets the Emmy next year for this season. But I think he means that he did earn it by already having the qualities of a really good coach. I think he did earn it and he probably realizes that Ted didn't earn this role. Although it's all the more impressive that Ted was supposed to fail and instead succeeded in many ways. Nate should appreciate that, but I think for him, it's all about the game.
Did it, though?
I also thought there was a parallel created between Ted feeling like his father abandoned him when his father was suffering from mental health issues / depression and Nate feeling like Ted abandoned him when Ted was struggling with mental health / anxiety issues. You can hate what is happening to Nate’s character all you want but I think the descent into madness has a purpose.
Honestly I think the point of Nate's descent was more to show that success and attention won't fix someone's problem. Unless you work on your underlying issues, you'll never really be happy.
@@KS-xk2so You know, there can be multiple points and purposes to a fictional characters behavior. And I don’t think that it’s as linear as success and power can cause greed. Especially from a show that tries to create complexity and connection in many aspects, such as in their use of novels. It’s too simple for the show and we’ve seen it a thousand times before. Nate’s choice of words to Ted about feeling abandoned and Nate being the one to reveal Ted’s mental health issues and as a result Ted having to address it and announce it to the press is important. I’m just saying that there was definitely a parallel set up and I think Ted will end up coming to terms with his father’s suicide and understand that his dad was struggling with mental health issues and that it had nothing to do with him and he wasn’t abandoned and he can’t save everyone and I think the breakdown of his relationship with Nate will play a part in how he learns this.
Yet another insight that hadn't occurred to me. Between this video and the comments here, I'm realizing things I hadn't noticed. Amazing show. Also, much as I cannot stand Nate right now, I hope Nick Mohammed (sp?) gets at least another nomination for an Emmy for season 2, preferably a win. I think he's done a tremendous job with this role from the first episode to the season 2 ending.
@@janetbeatrice9505 Nick is an amazing actor for sure. He plays his role well and I wonder how much the two characters are one and the same person. I don't think Nick is mean though.
Nate needed a lot of therapy, the inability to think he's enough and being called exactly the things he's afraid of being called drove him crazy. It's sad, he was so good for Richmond 😔
I was amazed that my overwhelming reaction to Nate, after frustration for his making poor decisions, was that I wanted to see him have a chance to heal. I wanted him to exorcise his demons. I empathized with him so much.
@@Roseforthethorns I feel the same. I think he can improve, but he needs a very powerful knock before that happens.
He was one of the few people in the locker room who didn't visit her.
I think it's true that being cheerful has to be balanced by being real, but I also don't think that Ted let Nate down. Rewatching the season, he's just as supportive as in the first season, he's always trying to support everyone, but it's not enough for Nate, because Ted can't save him no matter what he does. No one can. I think there's a certain level of insecurity that is just ego, because it's a demand that the only focus be on Nate's feelings literally all the time. It's not Ted's responsibility to fix Nate, but he still tried. He didn't fail him. He was just never going to be able to save him on his own. Ted hasn't had an easy life, he just works really hard to try and be a good person. I'm sure that makes Nate angry too, because he knows he's using past hardship as an excuse to behave badly. Even Jamie puts in the work, accepts help, becomes better. Ted has a lot of flaws, but he always tries to help people, and I don't think he wronged Nate.
i loved how we saw Ted losing it along the way, while his players were also changing to be better. He was always quirky, but his facade starts to crumble, and no one is there for him, as he's done for others. He struggles with mental health, and can't find something to shrug it off. I have so many thoughts for this show, but one thing I know for sure: No one expected to cry this much with a "comedy" show.
Nah Rebecca was always there for him. And its not that people weren't there were for him. Its the fact that he didn't know how to rely on anyone else. His arc in season 2 was partially about learning to let others help him through his evolving relationship with the therapist
Ted's character is all about being a goldfish but Ted doesn't take his own advice. He hides behind humor. Later he had to admit the panic attack cuz it made the papers. If it weren't for that article his attack would be unknown.
There is a very important moment in S2 finale.
When Ted apologizes to the players for not being forthright about his mental health struggles, they all show up for him. And that ONLY happens because Ted has been there for them, through and through. And Nate cannot see that yet, or maybe ever. I hope he does or else he is setting himself up for a (potentially) successful but (more than likely) lonely life.
@@realworkoutsforrealpeople743 Ted only came forward with the truth cuz it was exposed by Nate to the media. If he hadn't said anything Ted non of the team members would know it was a panic attack. Ted keeps things very private and hides behind humor.. Nate will be just as lonely as ever.
I knew Nate was going to leave and turn his back on Richmond as soon as he started treating Will (his replacement I believe) like crap. He knew how bad it felt to be treated as less than and yet he still did it to someone else.
Classic Snape
there's 2 kinds of people. One who because they went through some kind of hardship, feel that everyone else should too (hence why nate treated Will the way people used to treat him) and those who feel no one else should have to go through what they went through
Nate had every opportunity for a huge swath of time to use his words and talk to Ted about his feelings but was instead spineless to the point of /forcing/ Ted to make him stand up for himself. He sexually harrassed Keeley and betrayed his mentor in the span of 24 hours and takes absolutely no responsibility for his actions. I don’t have a ton of empathy for insecure men who would be just as much of a bully as their own once they get the platform to.
Yes thats right. And thats what makes him to the villain. As ted says, its what you Do that makes you to a good or Bad person. And nate has the reasons, but could chose other ways to handle his fears.
**Warning S1 & S2 spoilers in this comment**
By the end of S2 Nate is a grown ass man who is *choosing* to act like a jerk despite Ted giving him a well-deserved leg up in the beginning (by the time he comes to Richmond in S1). Ted may serve as a sort of artificial father-figure for his players and those he interacts with, but it is not his responsibility to constantly be 'doing the work' for others - that inherently prevents them from actively growing. Instead he simply offers them kindness and opportunities to rise to the occasion.
One could argue that Ted showed the same consideration for Nate that he did for Jamie, and Jamie does actively begin to embrace his own potential with his help (and Roy's). In that way, I found it ridiculous that Nate is adopting some kind of child-like victimization in his emotional tirade at the end of S2.
I don't see Nate's behavior as a fault/failure of Ted's optimism, but rather I felt it almost more of a commentary on perceived reality and expectation after experiencing something that you have been sorely lacking and craving in your life (in this case it's support and approval). Nate is with Ted every day and could have chosen to speak with him at any point if he felt he truly wasn't being heard or understood. I mean look at all the characters in the show that have: Keely, Rebecca, Roy, Jamie, Sam, even the new guy Will, etc. While I understand that Nate has a foundation based in resentment and insecurity, and has had to actively work that much more for everything he has earned both as a man of color and someone who suffers from insecurity, as adults we all have the opportunity to *choose* with every day and moment to be kind and whether we choose "light".
Of course there is always a negative to binary positivity and the show does a wonderful job exploring this subtly, but in a world where we are arguably actively lacking kindness almost entirely as a global society, Ted Lasso exists as a kind of beacon for us all - characters and audiences alike. Nate actively choosing to reject that kindness and light in S2 as a means to reach "success" and ultimately blaming Ted in his own anger and guilt only illuminate his immaturity and his *choice* to value ego over everything else.
Goodness gracious I am so happy to see this comment!!!
Thank you for your sanity. Nate would still be the kit boy if Ted never showed up. Nate should be thankful for opportunities he wouldn’t have gotten otherwise, instead he is a jerk. That’s not on Ted…or anyone else for that matter Nate is a grown up.
Hey would mind adding some spacing and paragraphs to make your comment easier to read? Especially for those with bad eyesight? Thanks!
@@theplaylister Hope that helps!
All this is fine but for a guy with low self esteem you need to push people like them and make them love themselves. He was a nobody and suddenly he was the star but Ted got the credit. Deep down he hates himself and its the hate that drives him not the love of the game. Its the us vs the world that's deep within him. Its nobody's responsibility but Nate to take care of himself but Ted kept running away as well. Toxic Positivity is saying, life is good despite it being shit. Positivity is saying, yup life is shit but that's ok. Ted was too into his own issues and didn't understand how to manage the most important person in his group.
Amazing how many dudes were flabbergasted that such a sweet, "nice guy" like Nate could be such a douche with a nasty other side when he wasn't getting the attention he felt he was due. Woman everyone shrugged their shoulders and said, 'yup, sounds about right.'
The flabbergasted guys were likely the genuine nice guys that I assure don’t know what attention feels like (I know, I married one. Attention makes him uncomfortable) and the guys you’re talking about are the “nice guys” who use it as a manipulation tool, and will put on whatever persona they think will get them laid.
@@ladystoneheart8155 Yup
@@ladystoneheart8155 why aren't sweet nice people supposed to be sweet, why do women expect them to be bad.
@Juan Torres
Unfortunately, a lot of sweet guys get treated like garbage by women, especially in teens and early twenties. And when women get to the realization that they actually want nice guys, there are PUA types and guys “with game” who will put on the facade of niceness, mislead women about wanting something serious and ghost them right after.
And the genuinely sweet guys end up getting punished because the “nice guys” conditioned so many women not to trust them.
But for the love of everything, if you’re a sweet guy, stay sweet. Don’t let the bullshit turn you bitter. If you’re struggling to find a partner, take time away and do things that you enjoy. My husband had given up before we met, but he used that time on hobbies and friends instead of going down the red pill rabbit hole.
yes he could have been a Natelie acting like that, am i right sister?
You should do a video on the '20-years-later' sequel. We're getting a flood of them and I think it can be seen a few ways: A chance to breath life and add depth to simple stories we've internalized as a culture, or an admittance that Hollywood is too scared to take even the slightest risk.
Right!? also, it would be interesting touching on the fact that so many of these sequels are coming out and erasing the past sequels’ continuity in the series canon (Halloween 2018, Ghostbusters: Afterlife, etc.). Is there something to say about how technologically and thematically audiences are more open to certain risks than they were before, giving storytellers the ability to touch on topics that were frowned upon when the sequels originally came out? Or is it just MONEY MONEY MONEY GRAB MONEY YUM
@@ItsJohnnyRome If you watched Ryan George's Pitch Meetings you'd know it's all about MONEYMONEYMOEY NOMNOMNOMYUMYUM.
When Nate confronts Ted at the end, the acting is superb because we can tell that as soon as his words leave his mouth he realizes how unfair and untrue they are, he realizes he has misplaced his anger. You can see it all over his face, Ted sees it too, but Nate is arrogant and proud, he will not take it back, he won’t apologize and he will go down and burn bridges rather than admit he is wrong, at least at this point in the story.
I think Roy forgiving Nate right away is a sign that he doesn’t view him as a threat and Nate wants to feel significant
Yeah Nate was looking at this the wrong way. Jaime I feel is more of a threat because they had a actual relationship, and he knows keely deep down still loves Jaime. There is no history with Nate and so it was just a mistake and she knows that as well.
But also Nate and Keeley do NOT have a sexual history. I bet you $100 that if Keeley had expressed any kind of romantic interest in Nate before Roy, Roy would have flipped out.
Just a note on the Nate and Jose Mourinho parallels: Mourinho was a limited player who got a foothold as an interpreter for the universally well-liked, amiable English coach Bobby Robson when Robson moved to Barcelona. Robson took a shine to him and Mourinho found a pathway into coaching as Robson promoted him to assistant. Mourinho always had a mischievous side to his character which curdled into something more sour and darker when he was overlooked for the Barcelona job. Mourinho’s carried an almost obsessive anti-Barcelona, and anti-expansive, entertaining football as embodied by Barcelona, animus ever since.
you could even add that Roy is probably mirroring Pep Guardiola as a former player becoming Coach in his own merit, the only difference is that Roy Kent didn't spent all of his career in Richmond
The problem of that comparison is that Mourinho was openly thrown out of the “race” for the job because of Cruyff. Cruyff loved Guardiola as a player and - later - as a manager. Even though Mourinho had the CV and most of the board on his side, Cruyff had the last word and Guardiola became the manager. It’s a bit different, I think.
And, unlike Nate, before he lost the plot a few years ago, Mourinho was a very good man manager who understood psychology, and he didn't rely on one tactic. His teams set EPL records for fewest goals conceded in a season (15: Chelsea 2004/05) and most goals scored in a La Liga season (118: Real Madrid 2011/12). He would _never_ advocate parking the bus down three goals in a Cup semifinal. Above all, he is a pragmatist.
The best explanation to Nate's change of behaviour I read was when Nate was at the bottom, people in "Power" were all mean and cruel, so that was his definition of success and power. That powerful people are mean to those below them. And the people at the bottom have to be quiet. So when Nate got a little bit of power, he started acting like his superiors acted towards him when he was at the bottom
Could you imagine, someone telling you that your positivity is the cause to all of THEIR problems
I actually really like Nate, he relatable as a human being, I think he’s fantastically written character, the best in the show, because as the video says we know he’s brilliant. He has a rich background, as an overlooked minority that added to his lower self steem and a overly critical parent made him and insecure person everywhere he went. I hope the show makes him justice and whatever end we get, we get to see a refined Nate. Nick Mohammed is also very good as an actor, the performance ads a lot to what we see are Nate inner/true feelings instead of just a dialogue. I’m very looking forward a season 3 and his character arc.
I'll tell you though, there's little harder than watching a character I relate to that much being such a jerk in such a familiar way.
Yeah He is nice, but him chosing the wrong Things to Do like harassing keely is making him really unlikable
This is really well put. I agree that Nate is relatable (and beautifully written). I don't think he's irredeemable simply because he showed weaknesses (including the need to bully others and puff up his own ego/insecurities) -- they are pretty human. As a former bullying victim, I loathe bullies, but I also saw how easy it was for some who were bullied along with me to turn around and do it to others just to feel that sense of power.
Ultimately, much of Nate's behavior is about his hatred of himself, not of others -- I do still believe think that, as with Jamie (to a lesser degree) that Ted will be there for Nate when he inevitably hits bottom working with Rupert, and that Nate will still be redeemed (and a happier, more secure person).
Ted's press conference about discussing and dealing with mental health in athletics, came not long after Simone Biles opted out of that Olympic competition, so the timing of that subject couldn't have been any better.
Anyway, Nate's storyline was really well done, and the best thing about Season 2. I was less high on the Sam/Rebecca romance though.
Agree, Nate's storyline is really well done, also liked Jamie's storyline and how Roy hugged him after he punched his father.
I don’t think Nates anger was actually directed at Ted. I feel like his anger stems from the relationship Nate has with his father. You see it with the window seat episode, he wants his father to see and acknowledge him. Ted saw Nates potential and gave him an opportunity to utilize it. What did Higgins say to Keeley about moving on from Rebecca (and I’m paraphrasing here) but a great mentor wants you to go and succeed and do all the things. Ted gave him that chance and instead of continuing to strive in the position and branch out he turned all that into hate instead of confronting his father
Its what they say in the Video though. He just projects his own fears, grief and Anger on ted. Thats why ted is also a reason for nates behaviour, also when its of course Not his fault.
Nate’s moral downfall has been apparent since season 1 though - there’s a tweet from Nick Mohammed (the actor) that details hints of his assholeness throughout the show, such as how his pre-game speech contains belittlement of the players, or how his first lines of the entire show are him exercising power by yelling at Ted and Beard to get off the pitch before he knew they were coaches
That was amazing analysis. The message this show sends about fathers and the impact they have on these characters is so poignant. Jamie's dad turned him into a bully. Ted's dad turned him into someone with toxic positivity. Nate's dad made him feel inadequate and turned him into a bully to prove himself. Really the message is that men shouldn't be holding their feelings in.
I still haven't stopped thinking about this show. I even wonder if Nate's surname, Shelley, and his mother's name (who is credited as Maria Shelley) is a nod to the gothic author of Frankenstein, Mary Shelley. Nate was not born a monster, a monster was created inside of him.
I fully expect Nate to have a redemption arc in Season 3. And I actually think that he might even have a heavy hand in even helping to give a redemption arc to Rupert.
Nate will learn that Rupert's love and attention is conditional; he will wildly praise him when he succeeds, but when he fails, well...I predict that there will be a scene that mirrors the one in the Season 2 finale when Ted is honest to the team about his struggles with anxiety and all the team told him that they have his back, but when Nate admits the anxiety that he feels because of the pressure that he is under to Rupert and his team, they will all turn their backs to him.
Rupert is a character who we enjoy seeing humiliated, but I think that Nate will become a 'heroic' character again through being the one to help Rupert grow. Like how Jamie grew from being a 'selfish little prick' who was obsessed with chasing fame and glory, to becoming a team player who gives up a penalty kick opportunity that would lead to a moment of glory to Dani Rojas so that he could help his teammate overcome the accident with Earl.
I agree Nate is getting a redemption arch but I don't think Rupert is getting one. With Jamie, Rebecca, and Nate the show went out of its way to make sure we understand their behavior (it never excuses it, but it makes sure we understand it is partially something external to them). Rupert is not a character it cares we empathize with at all and exists mostly to teach us about other characters. In S1 Rupert is supposed to show us that A) Ted is not simply a rube who blindly trusts everyone, rather Ted can people for who they truly are and that incudes seeing through Rupert both with the darts game and with understanding that it was Rupert who caused the musician to cancel in the first place. B ) Explain Rebecca's actions. S2 he literally only appears so Nate can turn to the dark side. I suspect he will have a bigger roll in S3 to act as a foil for Nate making Nate's redemption path more pronounced, but he himself will just remain human garbage.
Ted 'created' him and then, in Nate's eyes, 'abandoned' him. Classic Frankenstein.
There is honestly great parallels between Ted from Ted Lasso and Joy from Inside Out
This is one of the most intelligent, thoughtful movie/show synopses I've ever heard. Can you please upload the video a few more times; I don't feel like I've hit the "like" button enough times.
You miss a huge detail: Nate thinks Ted doesn’t care because of the picture. Little does he know, that picture is the only picture in Ted’s apartment other than the one of his son. The show purposefully showed us that detail to prove that Nate’s rage is misplaced, inspired from ignorance.
Finally we are discussing toxic positivity. I had a friend who was like that and she told me I was too negative and blocked me. I was a victim of sexual assault and I was facing racism so me being “ too negative” was my TRAUMA.
it's not just about that. It's more nuancd than that. Nate couldn't process his emotions and couldn't react properly because the way he was brought up was through negative parenting. Nothing was ever enough for his dad and when Ted encouraged Nate, it felt like a drug. And he wanted more and more of it.
So sorry that happened to you.
I think I have toxic positivity and I just realized this, I came out from a huge depression, and as of right now, I have been trying to be as positive as I can. My mother and aunt just lost their jobs and I have been trying to stay positive and I am trying to make them feel better but truth is, there is no good side to this. I have been saying “don’t be so negative” but there is no good thing about this, I understand their cynicism, how can someone stay positive during that? I am trying to stay positive because I know that if I see the negative side, I will probably get depressed again and I don't want to go back to feeling miserable but this positivity isn’t healthy.
On another note, I am so sorry, you deserve to mourn and you deserve healing, I hope you get better friends
It's times like this when you find out who your friends are.
Who noticed how Nate’s hair got whiter with each episode ?
Literally everyone.
I shows that he is slowly becoming more and more away from the niceness of ted
He was becoming more and more like his (white-haired) father and Rupert. Dismissive. Insulting. Contemptuous. Projecting.
My thing is that no one ever even mentions his hair. No one just notices that he's going grey and asks him if he's okay. I kinda agree with Nate.
@@williammccormick2802 Nate also mentions that his greatest fear is getting old.
I've been talking about toxic positivity and this show for awhile and this will be a good thing to link people to. I love how the show is deconstructing these aspects, being like sure Ted's way SEEMS good at first, but second season is like 'is it tho'
I would love for the take to do hey arnold because there were times arnold didn't take his own advice.
i disagree, it's not JUST about "toxic positivity" but moreso how Nate was unable to process his emotions and reactioons properly becuase of how he was brought up/his life experienced were. He lived in an environment where nothing was good enough and when Ted gave him love, he craved it and craved it it was shown throughout the series.
Why you make me cry??? Seriously, this is a therapeutic video. Thank you.
It is just so easy to be swiped to the dark side when your self-esteem is not high enough.
Its not just self esteem and self love that we are indirectly looking for in the dark side.. its love . Its the fatherly love that heals and destroys the dark side. And We are all broken without it. But our FATHER in heaven still wishes to heal the world with his love. God is love.
@@keyboardevangelist oh please stop. Religion divides.
I'm so proud of this channel!!! I feel like I been watching for years, only to realize today that you're over 1 MILLION SUBSCRIBERS! Talk about amazing, consistent, insightful videos. Keep up the great work!
I'm the exact opposite. I watched this channel all the time when they were small time but lately I've hated literally every "take," they've had. Unfortunately they got 1 less subscriber today
@@longarmsgiraffe0955 Your channel was started in February this year and you're already throwing out the "I'm unsubscribing" card? Tsk tsk
Well this tore me up a little, actually. Thank you for this analysis. What a show.
Whoever wrote this show has a DEEP understanding of "Kansas Nice" and as a Kansan, I love it its SO spot on 😭😭😂😂
Jason S, who else?
@@lynnhubbard844 ah makes sense 😂 he went to the same high school I did, which is pretty neat. Paul Rudd too
Tis showis a true gem. So much is shown here. It such a realistic depiction of over positivity toxicity,, heartbreak and trauma and their epercussions in many forms but also the healing power of therapy and self care or the vicious effects of ego. Brilliant cast brilliant writing.
This take is so dark that it takes away all the positive outcomes a well-intentioned human being can take from such a so brilliant and heartfelt series! I believe that the brilliant take in this video could be presented in a better way, spreading love and hope, and avoiding any toxic idea like what so called "toxic masculinity" and its irrelevant connection with "toxic positivity"!
Nate the Great became Nate the Ingrate. By the end of the season, I couldn't stand the sight of him. Also the gradual graying of his hair was a unique physical representation of his downfall.
This video was perfect - loved the whitening of his hair. The metaphor that he is trying so hard to get away from the nickname wonder KID, by looking older/wiser. Perfect writing
For those that know of Jung's concept of The Shadow, season 2 of Ted Lasso was even more of a treat. Plenty of Jungian/Freudian psychology throughout the father themes as well, but The Shadow shows up with Ted and Nate throughout the season.
I wish I could tell you how many tells you how many times this channel me made open up and cry. But I want you tell please keep going because it’s making me be a better person thank you 😊
In a weird way, Ted Lasso reminds me of Chester Bennington from Linkin Park, who died by suicide in 2017. Chester seemed to have both a dark and a light side. He had a tough life and definitely channeled that into his music, but he was also kind and funny -- at least that's how he presented himself to the world, I don't know if he was always like that in his private life. Chester always struck me as someone who actively chose to treat people well because he didn't want anyone else to feel like he felt. I think that's also the case for Lasso. And I also think Chester could be kind to everybody else but himself, which might be why in the end he lost his battle to depression. I think that's also the case for Lasso -- but hopefully he'll have a happier ending!
I do appreciate people who strive to be kind. Back in the late 2000s and 2010s, the trend was anti-heroes and dark and brooding, which I was never able to get on board with. It's easier to give in to cynicism and mysanthropy than it is to hold on to hope and kindness (I speak from experience). In the words of Diana Prince, a.k.a. Wonder Woman, it's not about deserve, it's about what you believe. So I like people who try to see the best in others. But then again, you need to include yourself in your scope.
ngl this video made me shed a tear :') The characters in this show are so complex yet deep down, they're all so relatable. I could see a lot of my own insecurities in Nate. no matter how much they show made people hate him, he's just a hurt person hurting others. I hope he gets redemption
I remember when I learned that toxic positivity was a thing. I didn't even need it explained, I was already so aware of it and knew what it was, given it's term. That was one of the best days for my mental health recuperation EVER!
This was an amazing exploration. It gave me everything I needed after watching the last season of Ted lasso. I love you guys!
Nate is not brilliant. He was lucky a few times but he couldn't handle if things didn't go the way he thought they would. Essential for the job.
Agreed. Overrated much.
He's been good with some tactics, but we've never seen him do much in terms of day-to-day coaching.
I wasn’t too sure about the notion of “toxic positivity” until this essay but I went in with an open mind. Y’all did a great job here. Bravo!
I really enjoy your channel’s takes! That was enjoyable perspective on ted’s situation
Beautiful video! I like that it really analyses the characters and actions and not just says what happened in season 2
i love this series so much. ted lasso has such a special place in my heart
The thing is Ted deals with his conflicts with others very directly while being avoidant of the conflicts within himself while Nate has always been avoidant of conflicts with positions of authority.
When Ted is trying to resolve his self avoidance, he's distracted from Nate's issues, meanwhile Nate holds everything in until he lashes out.
As much as I want Nate to return, I kind of hope Season 3 is about Nate getting worse. Like he goes undefeated and gets an ego larger than anything before. I then hope we get to see his life outside of work with this increased ego. Sometimes people become Nate and success does follow, which is why Nate can be compared to a irl coach. This show has been nothing but fantastic in representing real core issues people go through and I can't wait for Season 3.
Ted Lasso content. Here for it
I don't think toxic positivity is the issue here. Ted Lasso is an extremely positive but that doesn't mean he does not have regular emotions or hurdles like other humans do. Ted is not suppressing these negative emotions using this toxic positivity but more like he doesn't know how to deal with these. The only avenue that one would use is therapy but one of his problems - his failed marriage, was due to therapy (that is Ted's belief). So it is less about positivity solving everything and more about Ted learning that just because someone is paid to do something, doesn't mean they don't care. Therapists just like Coaches are people and they can care while they get paid.
Now coming to Nate. Nate has a bunch of insecurities stemming from his father and always wanting to impress him. Nate believes that Ted will be his surrogate father and give him that attention but that is unrealistic. Trying to impress a father figure and Ted supporting that is not what Nate needs. Nate needs therapy and acceptance of himself and needs to stand up for himself. Nate needs to stop adhering to his father's toxic high standards and perpetuating that cycle on other players. Ted was busy with his own problems so there is some hate that he wasn't THERE for Nate. But even if the was, Ted can't fix this. This is deeper than coaching. This needs therapy. I am not sure if Ted would realize that or suggest therapy to Nate. The coaching team has different skills. Ted is morale, Roy is context since he was a player, Beard does something (insight? listens?) and Nate is technical. I would say Beard should have done more and told Ted or suggested therapy to Nate but again that is too much on any person to solve another person's deep seated personality issues. Ted's optimism has limits on what it can solve. I wish Nate got time with Sharon during this show because he is the one who needed therapy the most.
I believe Season 3 can go one of 2 ways. Either Nate is the villain who gets defeated by the end of the season when the team wins the championship or.. what I'd love is for Nate to have a redemption arc. Similar to Jaime's redemption arc and return to the team. Nate coaches the other team and either fails horribly or they win but it feel hollow while he sees Ted's team is a cohesive unit even during failure. Basically something makes Nate come back to either Ted or the team. Then Nate gets therapy (maybe Sharon has a cameo in Season 3), accepts himself and stands up to his father. Perhaps even joins the team so they win their championship by end of Season 3. I really hope they have a redemption arc for Nate but even if they don't, sometimes people are in pain and their problems don't get fixed and that is how is it. It is very sad but that is the tragic life of a villain.
If toxic positivity ist a Problem here at all for you, you should maybe just watch it again and hear what the creators say. Its the foundation of the whole Serie, just pushing that away is ridiculous
May not be actual psychology, but Ted is an Enneagram 7 to the core (positive, enthusiastic, curious, open to new experiences) who like all 7s avoids sadness and emotional turmoil. Nate is an unhealthy Enneagram 3 (craves attention & acknowledgement, hardworking, driven).
They are both, like many of the characters on Ted Lasso, ‘real people’, which makes this show so good.
Best commentary was bc he can’t trust himself he doesn’t trust anyone. I literally have experienced this
You should do one about the evolution of Emily Gilmore from Gilmore Girls. How she went from being perfect to letting go and finding herself in the reboot!!
I like that
Thank you for this. This was my exact takeaway and you were able to take all of my thoughts about season 2 and form it into words and a beautiful video.
Love this! Can you do a video on the black female therapist?
Toxic positivity was definitely a thing in my household growing up, so with all the sentiments circling around Ted Lasso, I stayed far away from the show. Seeing that this toxic side of positivity is a driver of the show itself and is critiqued as it goes on, I'm now excited to watch it! This was a super insightful essay, awesome job Take crew!
Can you do a video on the Mistress and what motivates her to go with married men, how she and the wife are victims of the Patriarchy and Internalized Misogyny, and why both the Wife and Mistress may be paired with dysfunctional or mediocre men who don't do their lion's share of the emotional labor.
Speaking of mistresses I am close to finishing American Crime Story Impeachment and I am so reminded of how much the nineties really hated on any ounce of body fat on women (so hard for our D.C. Joan Holloway) but while real women were being told to embrace Heroin Chic and the aerobicized beauty of the 1980s, animated women especially mothers were being drawn as super curvaceous (especially around the hips, behind, and thighs). We need to talk about that
Your comment and thinking is why people like me hate woke liberals. It is also the reason woke people are weak.
@@Omar-qf2dg you've managed to say absolutely nothing and yet you are in 2021 using the word "woke" unironocally, implying a large gap in your fundamental understanding of the world, and "wokeness".
OP contributed topics they found interesting to discuss, you contributed an emotional slew of empty buzzwords. Well done mate loll
Nate was fragile. Nate was given opportunities to shine. Nate was still insecure. Remember how he refused to acknowledge his funny mistake during an interview? Let others make him feel bad b/c he only had the suit Ted bought him? How he kept looking at social media about himself? And Nate was awful to his replacement? And then Nate betrays Ted to media? Nate is blaming Ted for his own insecurity.
i think a lot of nate's anger stems from the fact that he doesn't get the approval from his father and that episode where nate gets all of the praise for his coaching. his father tells him to not get caught up in it and humility is the answer to success. i think what will happen in season 3 is that richmond will succeed and overcome obstacles while nate completely loses it.
I kind of wish Rupert would hire Dr. Sharon in season 3 so Nate could work through his issues. He's an insecure, petty little man but not beyond salvation. That probably won't happen, though.
I felt so helpless watching Nate in season 2. But I don't think Ted paying more attention would have helped, really. Not only because Ted *needs* to be focusing on his own mental health, for his own good and others', but because the roots are so much deeper. I kept wishing Nate would go speak to Doc, but I knew he wouldn't.
The False 9 was such a case in point... First he was angry because he assumed Ted would take credit for it. Then when Ted naturally kept calling it "Nate's False 9", Nate said that was so Ted could shift the blame when the team inevitably couldn't do it. Ted was damned if he did, damned if he didn't - because it was never about him. It was about Nate. And everything has become about Nate to Nate at this point.
It's so, so sad and I hope we see him find some genuine self love and growth in the next season, though I don't see narratively how that would work :(
Would love to see a video on Roy and Keeley’s relationship, it has a bittersweet taste to it this entire season for some reason.
Nate is suffering from something called supporting character syndrome, he could sense that he would never truly be as important or as noteworthy as Ted Lasso or any of the other tall beautiful characters, Roy didn't see him as a threat the same way he saw confident attractive Jamie as a threat, he is now become the villain in order to be in the same level.
What do you hate in other people?
That's either what you hate about yourself or what you think threatens your ideals.
I'm so glad that Man U saw the light and chucked Jose Marinio very quickly....I can definitely see the parallels between him and Nate.
That being said, my father is VERY similar to Nate's father and withheld praise all the time. It caused me to spend a lot of energy masking my pain like Ted and Nate do during the series. Fortunately, I now have an amazing therapist that is helping me follow the path of Luke instead of Anakin.
I hope that Nate is able to find some peace and healing in Season 3. He deserves that for himself.
I love that you mentioned Jose Mourinho. Football has so many interesting people to analyze.
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Big difference between the two is that the Special One is loved by many of his former players (at Porto, Chelsea, and Inter especially), while the Wonder Kid doesn't have that level of affection or respect. Mourinho uses psychology rather than insecurity to motivate himself and others.
@@wvu05 I love Mou. He truly is a special one.
@@inescastellano7960 Seeing him go to Spurs was heartbreaking, but there will always be a warm spot for the Special One.
@@wvu05 He has been in so many clubs I lost track sometimes
As someone who's very much against toxic positivity AND a huge fan of Ted Lasso (the show and the person), I enjoyed this and found it insightful. What caused me to be taken in by the show was Ted's genuine kindness and decency, even though his positivity and optimism are over the top. When he forgave Rebecca, I think I teared up a little. But the show does an excellent job of showing how Ted's positive attitude eats away at him. I'm curious to find out if Nate will find a healthier way to deal with his lack of self-esteem. But not everyone changes, and he seems to be on a one-way path. I'm looking forward to finding out what's in store for us next season.
Nate could be the Merchant of Venice...with that "lesson" on mercy and such, but actually deserving more of a re-evaluation.
i feel like the relationship between ted and nate wasn’t effected by toxic positivity. nates an adult who let power get to his head he’s unable to deal with praise since he was bullied and had a distance father. teds issues needed to be deal with his issues nate was so unsympathetic after he learned about teds panic attacks and still acts like ted did something to him.
Ted's positivity was his coping mechanism for how his life had radically changed. Nate's problem was his need for constant validation. Above all else I'd say Nate despises himself for existing so long as a repressed person.
It’s been a long time since a show has been this rewatchable…
Nate was on the journey before the restaurant. You can see it in how he starts treating the new kit man especially.
Often the most positive people are the saddest or are often going through or have gone through the darkest experiences
I just absolutely love Roy Kent in this series.
The way Jose Mourinho is pronounced at 10:53 really hurts my soul
Rewatching the season, Coach Beard was very quick to catch onto Nate's antics.
Damn nate really did a number this season
Nate isn’t Ted’s child. He shouldn’t need parenting. I’m curious to see how season 3 explains Nate’s transformation and offers redemption.
Funny how Sam's dad is the best parent but we never see him.
Also, would love to see you talk about the power imbalance between him and Rebecca. He's 21, she's in her 50s. She literally owns the company he works, controls his career. But they make him seem so "suave", also because we're used to imagining black people as older or more mature than they actually are. If Rebecca were a man, this wouldn't be an empowering journey for her where she gets to use her barely legal employee for personal self fulfilment. It would be a creepy story about power abuse, as it should be. If anyones 21 year old sibling or child called them up to talk about the 50 year old boss they were dating, most people would immediately start trying to get them help.
The idea that she walked into the restaurant, saw Sam, recognized the implications of possibly grooming him, then still went along with it because Sam was "just so mature" and "She couldn't help herself" is giving both Black male adultification and White female infatalisation simultaneously. She's the one with almost 30 years on him, but he's the one making all the moves and she's just following? Lol sure.
I hope we get to meet Mr. Obisanya in Season 3! And yes, we need a pretty serious deconstruction on the SamBecca ship.
Yeah, we need a take on the hypersexual black man in media and why it still persists despite being a complete lie
@@m3rrys0ngstr3ss yeah I think the comment is too harsh on the show, especially when the relationship was put on hold the same episode it started and the last scene was Sam saying he made the decision for his own personal career and not to be around Rebecca.
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I wonder if Nate's dad will pop in season 3, I feel like he's the person who will save him from the dark side. They get to a have a 1 on 1 conversation where Nate get's to pour all his emotions and frustrations out.
This show is so good, there’s so much to all the characters
The way I see it, Nate is a case of "power does not corrupt, power reveals."
Brilliant analysis!
Majorly brushed over Rebecca’s toxic behavior that tried to tank the team in season 1 and how she came full circle in season 2.
fortunately i stopped after about 2 and a half minutes so it's only 2.5 minutes of my life i won't be getting back. nate never got past needing ted's affirmation instead of developing his own self confidence.
There are several comments like this and I also share a passion for this show after finishing season 2, but I dont think that the outcome of Nate turning bad from his own insecurities is a direct cause from Ted. Ted showed Nate that he had some worth and that he should trust in himself more. Nate's inner demons and insecurities are what drove him away from Ted, just like Jamie started to in season 1 before Keeley comvinced him Ted wasnt out to "get him" Nates issues, mistrust, and power struggle stems from his parents, his feeling and fear of going back to being unnoticed and his low self esteem. Although positivity in certain situations cam be toxic and can hurt relationships, Ted's positivity towards the people around him is more empathetic and healthy, and ultimately had very little to do with Nate and his downfall.
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I mean... Did he tough? He literally only got the job because Ted listened to his strategy. Had they hired a manager who knew the sport, Nate would still be the kit man, because nobody would've listened to a word he was saying. Remember the amount of shock in Crimm's voice when Ted told him the teams attack was Nate's idea? That's how everybody else would take his input. Real big "stay in your lane, guy" energy.
“This just didn’t fall into my lap”…..yeah but it kind of did. Ted Lasso fell in a way into Nate’s lap. Like Cus Damato falling in Tyson’s lap. Even the best get some kind of break outside of their control, which is why we stay humble and appreciative.
I wish I could be more like Ted sometimes 😕
Usually, I am very anti-social but I would be friends with Ted.
In season 2 when he treated Will (the fill in for Nate’s previous job) poorly and belittled him every chance Nate had, that was already reason enough for me to dislike the character. Nate picked on the people he saw as weak and those he saw as stronger than him, he instantly rolls over on his back.
Also Nate’s father is quite horrible.