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I mean, Barney is objectively worse than Ted, the only difference is that Ted is expected to do good things and often does bad things and Barney is expected to do bad things and often does good things. But to say Barney is a sheep and Ted is a wolf is a bit of an exaggeration.
In my theory. Barney: Knows that he himself is a wolf and he never tried to hide that fact in front of his friends. Ted: Thinks he is a sheep, but actually a wolf. Barney knows deep down Ted is a wolf like him, That is why he wanted Ted as his wingman in the first place.
Makes sense, i just started watching the show all over again a few weeks ago and I’m surprised how terrible of a person Ted actually is. In all honesty he could be making everyone seem worse than what they were to make himself seem like a saint. Lily kinda proved that when she told the REAL story about what happened when Ted saw the Captain at the art exhibit.
@@mary5203 OK.. So what do u trust in the show then if you don't trust the narrator? May be Lily was criminal, an art thief, that's why he keeps telling about Aldrin justice where she keeps stealing expensive stuff.. Barney's mom was actually a stripper and he used to live in a strip club rather than visiting it and became a prostitute thats why he was ashamed to tell about his job and was able to sleep with 250+ women and Robin eventually found out and they got divorced? May be Marshall was a violent guy and a bully who made sure that Ted made him a nice guy in his stories and that's why Ted warned his kids to never get into a fight with him.. Point is, u can't cherry pick parts that u don't like and attribute it to a untrustworthy narrator..
@@ChatPOPPAT there is a huge difference between "the narrator is unreliable so there are some inconsistenses and exaggerations" and "the whole narration and the whole show is a lie". Come on man, im just saying that the narrator isn't fully reliable so we should take things with a grain of salt, not create our own scenarios. Also, why respond to me? Im not the one who came up with that theory
@@mary5203 U made a comment on a public platform and I responded to you.. That's how things work on internet.. And all said was some sarcastic rubbish to make the point that U can't cherrypick points that u don't like about the story and attribute it to "unreliable narrator" especially character arcs which are the foundation of a show.. I understand exaggerations from silliness.. That means u at the least have to accept the character arcs as real unless explicitly told...
Barney is a nice guy who pretends he isn't. He loves his family and friends. He is afraid to be vulnerable. He wants what Marshall and Lilly has but feels he doesn't deserve it.
@radicalsis do keep in mind this was told from Ted's point of view, which could mean he may have overexaggerated Barney's womanizing tendencies. For all we know, Barney may have been a player, but without the psychopathic tendencies shown.
@@sss-bp3td well , don't forget he wanted to be in Peace Corp and start a family until the woman he loved cheated on him and turned him into this maniac. I mean the guy was already messed up with a broken childhood and daddy issues and then when he thought he was about to have something great he got betrayed. I'm not saying manipulating women to bed is justified but he had problems so he chose to be in denial. And we also saw how he kept scores on banging 200 women for some bet he made in school. He had trust issues because of a woman and so the guy chose not to trust any other
Exactly! They want completely different things in life from the very beginning and never changed during all those seasons! Why did they end up together???
I’ve met guys who reflect their idealized concept of a partner on me and it’s exhausting, they don’t see you for what your are they’re focused on themselves they create a “magical chemistry” that’s just not there
Denise F am I the only that thought it was weird that a lot of Robin’s exes gave her dogs in the relationship like who gives a dog as a present in a non serious relationship
One of the episodes that made me realize how delusional Ted really is is in the episode Trilogy Time where Ted imagines where he will be in 3 years. In one of the scenarios Robin is pregnant with his baby and she says that "I've never been into the whole marriage and kids thing but Ted made me change my mind." It really highlights how Ted loves the idea of Robin as opposed to really loving everything about her.
The most ridiculously ironic thing is that he broke up with Robin cause she didn't want to get married! like... i mean... isn't the entire point of marriage to be with the person you love? So how the f**k does it make sense to separate from the person of your dreams for "getting married"?
Yeah but after Robin breaks up with Barney she realizes that shes in love with Ted and that "hes the guy im supposed end up with". Thats one of the reasons she abandons the group. I believe deep down Robin wants a commited relationship with Ted and even children with him.
Don't be like Ted, who has an unrealistically high expectations of finding true love. Be like Marshall and Lily, who, like many couples, have troubles in their relationships and deal with it like adults....for the most part at least.
He doesn't have unrealistic high expectations though he just wants a moderately good looking who has a good personality and isn't weird is that too much to ask for?
Sure, be like Lily... the woman who dumped her boyfriend for selfish reasons, then hid away, sabotaged all his dates and made it impossible for him to move on - and then demanded for him to take her back. Oh, and she steal stuff, bullies her students, and takes on huge debts that Marshall is then forced to pay. She sure seems like a stable and wonderful person.
For me the most important line Barney ever say's 'I love everything about her and I'm not a guy who says that lightly'. How many times do we have to hear Ted saying a girl is 'perfect', 'special' 'the one' 'made for him how many girls does he say I love you too with no thought of what it means or if he really feels it. This speech is a once in a lifetime declaration. Barney feels this way about one woman. He waits until he is completely sure. The finale was the worst ending of any show I have ever watched.
I didn't like how they killed off the mother, broke up Barney and Robin, and basically shoehorned Robin into Ted's perfect world for no reason than it was originally planned.
they were locked in an ending because they shot the finale with the teen kids very early on. which is why it doesn't match with the character growth of any of those characters.
Barney cared more for Robin than Ted ever did. Ted only cared about himself. Barney is just one of those guys who hides his pain and insecurities with his "playboy" persona.
i dont thing you understand what obseeive, it all about what the other person want, remember ted goes after robin, she say NO he leave her alone SHE goes back after him.
I mean the course of the show kind of deconstructs it and he unlearned it, learning from lilly and marshall He’s always trying to force destiny, and then when he finally lets his guard down, let’s robin go, he finds Tracey The show would have so amazingly perfected that character growth for him if the last episode hadn’t thrown it out the window
remember the reason ted and robin broke up he wanted kids and she wnated to see the world, they are now in there 50s he has kids and she seen the world.
Wowza it’s actually disturbing how Ted is obsessive. In reality he would have at least one restraining order. I always liked Barney. His character development is amazing to watch.
@_oblivion_ To add on he uploaded Robin's music video without her permission on my space and up until that point he though it was going to be a porno staring Robin, one of his closest friends. I love Barney character, but if I was a girl or met a guy like him in real life I would not want to talk him and worry about the stds.
What I found disturbing is some of the things ted does is the same as what Dennis from it's always sunny does. Some of the manipulation, damaging their lives to make them depend on you is what ted has done
I have never understood why Ted was the one labeled as "the good guy" when clearly the only genuinely good guy in the show is Marshal. Ted is more like a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Also, the time where he berates Robin because she was too independent for his liking, and how he never felt like she "needed" him. In contrast, Barney is the one who recognizes this is a great quality Robin has, but the writers still thought she'd be better off with Ted smh
I was just thinking this! The show always shames Robin for being unfeeling and afraid of intimacy when she’s really just a strong, career focused woman who wants to take time getting to know a guy before committing the rest of her life to him. I’d say she has a MUCH healthier take on love than Ted.
Some people like to feel needed. Marshall and Lilly were a super dependent couple (sometimes to a fault, like the road trip to Chicago with Lilly), but they still had a very healthy relationship. I do agree that Barney really was able to recognize and appreciate her independence. But I don't think this made Ted less of a character, it's just another difference between Ted and Robin. I personally have no preference about who Robin should have ended up with, but by the very end of the show I can easily see why Ted and Robin would get together, they both got what they wanted out of life (Ted:wife and kids)(Robin: successful career) and they're single. It is unfortunate that Barney and Robin get divorced and that Tracy dies, and it all definitely could have all been paced better in the last episode, but that's life sometimes, things like that happen and himym was never scared to tackle the heavier aspects of life.
Why is no one talking about how he all of a sudden fell in love with Robin again when he learned she and Barney got engaged, it’s clear he’s jealous of the fact that robin was ready to get married to her actual soulmate and that soulmate isn’t him
Robin pretty much did the same when Ted was marrying Stella When Ted was about to marry Stella, Robin asked Lily 'Why isn't Ted Marrying me?', implying she still had feelings for Ted. She even asked Ted not to get married to Stella because she wanted him as a back up option, like seriously?. You want a guy to cancel his marriage so that you can place him on the hook?
hout about any time ted or barney find happiness Robin starts having feelings for them....exhibit stella and tracy and victoria for ted and nora for barney....Robin is the worst character
In the series its clear that they still love each other even after the break up but they just hide it because in their head they arent meant for each other, they think that being with each other equals to disaster.
omar ahmed she had a mental breakdown an wanted to run, ted just happened to be there. If is she wanted ted then she wouldn’t have returned to the wedding nor kept running even though ted told her that he won’t escape and she wouldn’t have reacted to Barney’s vows as she did
I think it was pointed out that nobody in the show was perfect Lily was manipulative and greedy, Ted was obsessive and could be cruel, Barney was Barney and asshole at best and should be in jail at worst, Marshall held grudges from college to Lily for years (justified or not), Robin was violent and callous and put herself above others constantly. They all had bad parts but they all had good too I always saw the show as how good people can mess up or just be people they didn’t have to be good or bad exclusively they were just people
i think the video exaggerates a lot, like ted 'not being able to apologise' and they use the example where he was angry at lily for dumping marshall for san francisco for months, smashing his heart. ted sucks and is defintely a 'nice guy' trademark but he isn't really a villain either, he kinda just sucks
@@cholaco1101 I think Ted was overall better than he was bad and cared a lot about his friends even to his detriment. But he could just also be condescending and had other flaws. I think all of them (except Barney who rewatching should definitely be in jail) were decent people
Was about to comment this myself. Ironic how a video talking about how the narrator is manipulating the story to seem like something hes not, is using said video the manipulate the story and turn him into something he's not. He's just a flawed dude. Not evil, not great just a normal ol flawed human doing his best
Barney and Robin should have ended up together... :/ aaand just a follow up, Ted is the narrator of HIMYM so he could possibly made Barney and Robin to be as horrible as possible together.
In my headcanon they are. And that is why Ted starts his story when he starts it: not because it was the day HE met Robin, but because it was the day BARNEY met Robin. And that is actually important to the story of how he eventually met Tracy.
They still are. Given the fact that the finale was written and filmed very early on in the show and the writers were too lazy to change it, I don’t consider any of it as canon. Swarkles forever!
@@ЖаннаКалишевич I'm so annoyed that that wasn't the angle the show went with. When it was revealed that Ted meets the mother at Barney and Robin's wedding, I thought "oh, that's why he started the story with meeting Robin. Because if he never met Robin, he would have never met the mother." What a waste of a plot point.
@@hihello207 Exactly. They were so determined to keep that dumb original ending that they didnt consider how the characters had developed over the years. The last season should never have happened
What I found disturbing is some of the things ted does is the same as what Dennis from it's always sunny does. Some of the manipulation, damaging their lives to make them depend on you is what ted has done
For me, the French Blue Horn represents the obsession of a man who tried to force destiny. He didn't need to steal a yellow umbrella, just came to his hands. Destiny~ Kiki Em
I always liked Barney more because at least hes honest about his intentions rather than using "niceness" to manipulating and abusing the women in his life.
I think we can agree that Barney had more character development than Ted ever did (until they practically reversed the whole thing in the last episode)
laboomerang he never assaulted them. He just got their consent in really shady ways. Like, he never coerced or raped anyone. He just convinced them that his penis grants wishes if you rub it hard enough.
@Hannah Selig For the story, Ted wasnt there for that conversation and is a very unreliable narrator. The worse Barney looks, the better he looks in comparison. From the real life perspective, it always felt more like a joke for the audience. Obviously they wouldn't be able to get away with a joke like that now, but I think the vast majority of people were okay with it then.
If sitting down his kids to supposedly tell them the story of how he met their mother, only to focus on how he dated half of New York City, and his pals' wacky shenagians, with the purpose of getting back together with his ex after his wife dies, doesn't scream "Ted is secretly a creep", then I don't know WHAT does! 🤣🙄
Right?? I thought the point of the show was to show how he became the kind of person their mother would want to meet, and what not to do when you're dating people, and the ending just completely ruined it. Some episodes did a good job of that and some didn't.
It just further proves he's a narcissist. tells a story about how he met his wife but hardly mentions. I don't think he really loved her. she just completed an image he wanted so badly. I've seen it a lot and believe that's why some people stay in unsatisfying relationships. they know from the outside it looks picture perfect and people envy them and they want to keep that.
I think everything would have been fine if Ted had grown and realized his mistakes. I thought that's where they were going with his arcs in season 4 where he was kind of an ass but the gang called him out, and he said something about how he's glad he didn't meet the mother then, because she wouldn't have liked him. It would have been a much better story if the mother wasn't the perfect ideal who checked off every box on his list, but instead had the same values and goals and a compatible personality. Someone quirky and fun but also practical, who doesn't put up with his shit, and hey maybe she's a cat person and she thinks scotch is gross, but he learns to be okay with that, because the reality is better than the ridiculous thing he imagined. And of course, if he actually stayed with this real person and didn't just chase after Robin again. They could have done all that in just the last season or two but they fucked the whole thing up and nothing had consequences.
Thank you very much for this, I always had this feeling that Ted fall in love of the ideal she represented rather than see her as a person, they had their moments tho, when she let go of her past love for example. I'm still bitter for the end tho.
Exactly! Love isn't about giving you what you want, more about helping you realise what you need. And I can't stand the constant talk of "the one" in this show.
Yeah I rolled my eyes that she had driving gloves, a coin collection, and Renaissance faire garb. The little things fit TOO perfectly when realistically she’d have some traits like in Spoiler Alert.
The blue French horn and the yellow umbrella were a great metaphor of how he had to stole it and force himself in robins life (and pretty much in the life of every girl he dated) while he just happened to found the yellow umbrella and things happened naturally, not him forcing his way again into her life nor being obsessing. Also most of these things could be seen as his immaturity in his youth since future ted always said stuff like “don’t force what doesn’t work” “let the past go” but the ending completely undid that sadly
Up until the episode before the last it was a good show about life journeys and not forcing things ... even if Ted was an ass who went after women he shouldn't have. The stealing the blue french horn versus just finding the umbrella was perfect. WAS.
In a literal sense, it really bugged me at Ted and Tracy’s meet-cute that Ted insisted that it was HIS umbrella. Tracy literally purchased it and knows it.
well, doesn't it kinda make sense, that Tracy and his relationship was natural, and when she died he would seek back into the same unhealthy spiral that would be Robin? It was what he had done for most of his life.
Heg Luj Wow. HIMYM is my favourite show. I've given it hours and hours of thought but I never thought about what you said about these metaphors. This is so wonderful. Thank you!
To be honest, I feel like Ted gets villainized too much while the person who I adored throughout the most part of the show and who tremendously disappointed me seems to be just as (actually, in my eyes, much more) villain-like. Robin. Here's why: - She called Ted at 2 am, asking to come to her place under some strange pretence when in reality she had a hard day that made her realize she may have wanted a relationship. Yep, it's Ted who's responsible for his relationship with Victoria. But Robin acted so innocently when she learned they didn't break up. Girl, what did you think you were doing asking a guy, who you repeatedly rejected, to come to you at night because you're in a special mood when he already has a girlfriend? - She asked Ted literally on his wedding day to not marry because one day she may change her mind and want a family. Ted had every right to be pissed off. She literally asked him to cancel his wedding, which was already happening, and be her plan B. - She catched feelings for Barney once again when he had fallen for Nora. But when they actually decided to reunite after cheating on their partners, she backed off. It was so unfair to both Barney and Kevin, to whom she never even said the truth. - No surprise, Robin once again falls for Barney when she sees how he dates Patricia. Even though she rejected him right before that! And, no surprise, she decides to tell him about her feelings when he's proposing! Yep, it all was Barney's plan (he knew her too well) but she didn't know that at the time and she would pull off the same shit if Barney was really in love with someone else. - Then she decides to crush her own wedding and ask Ted to run away with her. She didn't even care that she asks him to leave his best friend heartbroken on his wedding day, basically cut off the friendship, because she feels like Ted is ready to do anything for her at any time and she wants that. Not to mention that she wanted to break Barney's heart in front of all his friends and relatives when he did nothing wrong. - When Ted finally moved on with Tracy, she has the audacity to tell Lily that he should have ended up with her. Girl, you rejected him multiple times, now he's happily married, what are you talking about. Luckily, she didn't act on that but in the deleted scene when she meets Ted and his daughter and they have lunch, she tells him that she misses him and he's more than a friend to her. And he says he's happy right now. Basically, she wanted to reunite, testing the grounds for how much he wants it when he's married😭 And just one more thing that kinda pissed me off. When she sleeps with Barney, Ted is mad only at Barney. When Barney sees that she and Ted are holding hands in the park, he's mad only at Ted! Even though it was her, who took his hand. Well, Barney probably didn't see it but still. Robin is never called out for the shit she did to Ted, Barney, and Kevin and that sucks.
Excellent points my friend ... Ted feels the most human out of all in my eyes, his mistakes are made for a reason, while others' mistakes are felt more like forced drama (lilly leaving marshall before the wedding as an example)
I totally agree. Although Ted is in love with the idea of love, he and Tracy are perfect. I know Robin is funny and I love cobie, but Robin always wanted Ted and Barney when they moved on from her. She always wants them when they are not available. And the audacity to calling Ted her backup. God,she is so indecisive. She only loves them when she realises she can't have them. I hate the ending.
Actually everyone hates Robin. She was a Vulture that went away when Ted was Happy and came along when Tracy was out of the picture as much so that his children called her "aunt Robin"
Yes but somehow her toxic ass was the best choice for Barney and Swarkles forever ~❤ 🤮🤣 like no she was toxic to both. Barney deserved to end up with either Norma or Quinn or even Patrice (I know it was fake but first time watching it I was hoping he was serious because Patrice deserved the best especially after putting up with Robin's toxic ass when she was only nice to her). Like Robin needed a lot of work and even Barney tricking her into marrying him was clearly not enough. They should have given him someone else and even given Robin someone else because Tracy was the best for Ted. Ted is way too villainized.
I would have liked for them to include a comparison of how Barney treated Robin when they were dating. Barney really loved and respected her. He helped her achieve her dreams, loved her for who she was, not his fantasies.
Also worth noting the difference in actor qualities here. Ted was written to be a hopeless, desperate romantic and Josh Radnor accomplished the feat like a typical worker does his job without asking too many questions (maybe he should have asked more, as this video shows). Marshall is written to be the nice married gentleman, and again Jason Segel performs his feat in a rather straightforward manner. Barney was always written to be a cartoonish level misogynist villain (the 'devil' on Ted's shoulder to pair with Marshall's 'angel,' so to speak). Yet by the end of the show Neil Patrick Harris had delivered a character that we routinely condemned, but at the same time sympathized with and gradually even started cheering for in certain situations. A complex, deep character with an entertaining backstory whom gradually developed through time. That is what I call good quality acting. Also people need to learn the difference between a 'good guy' and 'cordial guy.' There are a lot of the latter out there, not many of the former. Ted's character is definitely not a 'good guy' in any sense of the word, although his cordial actions can be interpreted as such on occasion.
@@thebabylonian109 I agree that Neil is the best actor, but not because of what you just said and I absolutely disagree with Ted and Marshall "just doing a good job". Every actor was the best choice in every way possible, it's just that Barney had the most complex character development of the gang. Then, of course Neil is ridiculously great but what you said just shows that the writers had different intention with his character. The last statement, I agree there's definitely a difference between the two terms, but Ted is definitely a "good guy" that cares for others. It's actually the opposite of what you said, Ted is a good guy who on occasion becomes "the nice guy". Big difference.
Ted, and many "Nice Guys" and "Nice Girls" need to learn the difference between actions and intentions. You can have great intentions, but if your actions are actively hurting other people then you are not the nice person that you think you are, and perhaps need to reevaluate your intentions.
Absolutely! They tried to touch on this with "the Doppler/Dahmer effect" but they completely missed the point and like everything else in the show Ted used his own interpretation to fit his needs/views
Ted "Robin is my absolute soulmate and no other woman can compare to her" Also Ted "Robin, I hate that you're nothing like my ideal woman and you have to change for me"
Ted confesses to Robin that he loves her and can give up the idea of having kids for her. This happens in Season 7 around episode 17. What more change do you want?
The three worst thing ted did on how i met your mother 1. Teach his son to turn a no into a yes 2. Cheat on Victoria with Robin 3. Told Robin to get rid of her dogs.
What's worse for Robin is that in the finale she has new dogs which Ted (who unlike Barney hasn't changed at all) will probably again ask her to get rid of.
I always feel the need to point out that Ted's actor has a dog allergy, and that's why they had to write out the dogs. They could have come up with a better way to do it though
1. Did the daughter live the room? 2. He recognized that he did a bad thing and he paid the prize 3. Robin told him to get rid of every object that was a present of former girlfriends. Of course I'm not saying a dog is a equal to an inanimated object, but all of you seem to forget that she started it
Ted is the unreliable narrator of the show and exaggerates Barney’s sleaziness and I suspect Marshall’s wholesomeness as well. It’s easier to tell a story and label people as archetypes instead of looking at the gray areas. Also, I suspect Ted really calls out Barney’s flaws because he has them and hates that about himself. So his perspective of Barney is so misogynistic and promiscuous to make Ted feel better. As a narcissist, he still can’t see his flaws. In his stories to his kids, he doesn’t realize how he’s painting himself. I just realized how much more heartbreaking it was when Robin rejected Barney (slow motion shaking head no after the work cruise) vs rejecting Ted (flatly saying no to loving him). It’s because Robin and Barney had decided TOGETHER that they would be together, while Ted imposes this decision on her. And when he said he could love her without being able to have children? Yeah right!
ziglaus maybe unreliable is the wrong word, maybe more of a bias narrator. Just as anyone would be about telling a story about their own life especially to their kids.
Like Ziglaus said, there's no hint of Ted being an unreliable narrator, we as viewers can believe him to be unreliable, but the series doesn't offer it up.
In Zoo or False, Barney is unsatisfied with how the story ends and says he’ll tell the story better with a more exciting ending. Then suddenly the monkey does a King Kong re-enactment and Bob Saget voice says “it really happened.” There’s the time he can’t remember why Lily and Barney are fighting so they just say “I’m still mad at you for that one thing”, which shows his control over the show. Also, they eat “sandwiches”. There’s ways Ted is forcing the narrative.
I never thought of Ted as good or bad. He’s the Everyman. We all believe we are the good person, but do bad things along the way because we are inherently a bit selfish. It’s a part of life and growing. I also find it interesting that he says he’s looking for the “one” and often sabatoges himself. He has dichotomies within himself that we all have.
No offense - but I sincerely hope Ted's behavior is *not* what "every man" acts like. He is a borderline stalker (sometimes literally), he refuses to take no for an answer, manipulates and lies to women to seduce them, disrespects and dismisses their opinions or lifestyle in favor of what he wants, and is generally just an awful person - even colored by the fact that the show is told from his own perspective as an unreliable narrator, he is in no way an example of what a "romantic" should look like, and it is deeply troubling that we live in a world where people think this kind of behavior is not only normal, but acceptable.
@@Johenz Borderline meaning "too close for comfort" here. If you're "borderline psychotic" you're not mentally stable - if you're "borderline impoverished" you don't have a lot of money. It's like saying "kinda pregnant" or "a little dead" - If you're getting close enough that the term "borderline" applies, you are too close. In my humble opinion "I'm only sort of stalking" is not a valid defense.
@@LadyDoomsinger those are two different things. The difference between creepy and romantic is how the other view it. In hs I dated a girl we got into a fight and when we made up I made a joke “what you wanted me to do, come to your school with flowers” and she said “yes that’s super romantic way to make up” someone else might think thats creepy. So rather something is romantic or creepy especially a big romantic gesture depends on how the other person sees it. Another example is if I’m talking to a girl and I remember her weekend schedule, and one day I decide to give her roses everywhere she goes. She goes to the gym and one of the members give her flowers, go to Starbucks the counter give her flowers, go to the supermarket samething. She can either think it’s super creepy that I know her weekend schedule and think I’m obsessed w her or think it’s super cute that I pay attention and find it to be super romantic.
@@Johenz Yeah. That is super creepy, dude. Not "illegal creepy" maybe, but definitely creepy. Hence "borderline". Also, there's a difference between knowing the schedule of a partner you've been with for several years and showing up at their place with flowers - and doing it with a girl you've only recently met. If you can't tell the difference, I don't know how to help you.
I see the male caracters as different archetypes of male maturity. Ted being the naive entitled who hides his fear of rejection behind his “romantic intentions” ; Barney being the confident asshole who hides the same fear behind meaningless sex ; and Marshell finally representing the confident and mature man who still fears the same thing but is aware of it and does his best to improve himself and not let it hurt those around him.
@@syarskandar8527 Imagine calling a happily married man with a faithful, attractive, funny wife "a simp". On a scale of Barney to Ted, just how much of an incel are you, chump?
Barney’s fear isn’t rejection, it’s abandonment. He always breaks up with, ghosts, abandons, or - in one case - sells the girl before she can abandon him like his father did. His fear of abandonment and inability to commit came from that one simple act.
yeah, like how does he know what happened there if he is not there? how did he know what they were thinking? maybe some people just never liked him haha
@@bea3guima My own dad's told me stories of his youth where he did stupid shit for stupid reasons. I imagine it's meant to be like "don't do the stupid shit I did."
HIMYM would have been a far better series if its later seasons shown Ted maturing and having learn from his past mistakes. In particular, the last season should have been about the first year of his relation with Tracy, showing her as not being the perfect woman Ted idealizes, but as an imperfec person who he loves for real. Even the original finale where Tracy as since passed away and Ted is gonna attempt an new relation with Robin would sound a lot bettr that way, as we know Ted as changed for the better.
HIMYM was a really good story. It may have seemed crazy for a while, especially with not seeing the mother that much, but we got an answer in season 8. It’s not the story of HIMYM, it’s How I Became The Man I Am Today, Before I Met Your Mom. But HIBtMIATBIMYM is not a good title. As far as the ending: Tracy should’ve been as you said, an imperfect woman who he truly loved and wanted the best for, and Barney and Robin should’ve stayed together, adopting a kid (I’ll get to why in a moment). As far as Tracy dying, the writing was on the wall for a while (I didn’t see it, but, looking back, it was there), so I don’t know whether I’d change that or not. A dad recounting the story of how he met their dead mother to his kids is a heart-wrenchingly beautiful story, so I’m good with the unhappy ending. We definitely should’ve gotten more episodes with them together, maybe a season 10 with their relationship building. As far as Barney and Robin, I see their characters this way: - Barney had one fear hammered into him through his dad’s and Shannon’s abandonment. His fear of abandonment and inability to commit created the “awesome” Barney as he refers himself. The perfect arc was there for him. He accepted his father’s mistakes after getting to know him and had him teach him the most important lesson of his life: that the playboy lifestyle won’t last, and that he will find the perfect woman for him. Barney knew in his heart it was Robin. - So, the logical conclusion to Barney’s story: a boy from a broken home, with a lying mother and deadbeat dad, was to create an unbroken home for himself. You could even take the symbolism of rescuing a kid from a broken home with the adoption angle. - Next is Robin. Her arc was simple, learning to love herself. Her fear of abandonment (proven through her therapy) and her intense insecurity stem from her monster of a dad. She learned to love herself and finally find room for a loving relationship, even putting her relationships first occasionally. She should’ve stayed with Barney in the end, showing the scared, insecure little girl that happiness and everything she want’s out of life are possible. - As far as kids for Robin. People may say (and she may say) that she didn’t want kids, but I think the episode where she learns she can’t have kids is really telling. She wants kids, but she always forced herself not to want them. Ted even said that she changed her mind about kids as she became Aunt Robin, being a pseudo mother figure to the kids who lost their mother. Her adopting kids with Barney would’ve made all the sense in the world, teaching her that she could be a better parent than her terrible dad and distant mom. I understand that some people don’t want kids, and that’s fine, but Robin definitely seemed like she wanted them.
Im convinced Ted only hangs out with Barney because it makes him feel better about himself. He's a textbook self absorbed "nice guy", trying so hard to frame all of Barney's extroverted social antics as negative, even when they're not. Because if Barney is a good guy too, then that means Ted isnt getting unlucky because he's nice; he's getting unlucky because he's BORING.
Louis-Stéphane LOBE LOBAS I don’t know, Lily had a rough time after abandoning Marshall. Yes, he eventually took her back, but she also had a horrible, soul crushing time trying to pursue her art and Marshall even attempted to move on with another woman before they got back together. Plus, his trust issues with her lasted for years AFTER they got married. Now that I think about it, Marshall was also forced to take a job he hated because Lily had put them so deeply in debt as well... Every bad thing that happened to Barney as an adult relates back to losing his girlfriend and deciding to spend his life pursuing revenge and essentially becoming the man who hurt him, which could mean losing his first fiancé and eventually losing Robin could be a result of his obsession. Marshall...was actually the best of the main characters. The worst thing I remember him doing was accepting the judge position without asking Lily, but it did lead to a big fight and Marshall being terrified when Lily left the hotel (even though it was less to leave him and more so she could get that pregnancy test) Robin. 🤔 Well, she didn’t do that much that could invite karmic retribution. She did give up her dogs for a man who she failed at having a relationship with multiple times, leaving herself more lonely and prone to going back to him (especially because she allowed his friends to become her entire social circle as time progressed). She lost the love of her life after being unable to prioritize her new marriage. That’s...about it?
@@Lauren.E.O About Lily, yes but no. Lily sabotaged Marshall's date and they got back together easy and maried at the end of the season. Years later she still almost ditched him again AND blamed him for not getting over the fact that she did and still got her dream job. I would agree about Barney but what happened with his first girlfiend is his backstory so it doesn't really count. Even so, he still sold a girl for a car and tricked over 200 women to sleep with him. Yet when he want to settle down we have to look at him in a sympathetic way. He didn't lose Robin because of his obsession but because he didn't have a purpose. Hence why having a daughter to take care of was the best thing that could happen to him. Marshall still got the job albeit later. Most of the bad stuff that happend to him were due to Lily anyway. Robin could have taken her dogs back after her breakup so this is a non argument. The fact that Ted friends were her friends too is her own choice. And she did get back with Ted at the end of the story. Ted got his ass kicked by a girl he ditched on his birthday (for the second time). He lost Victoria because he cheated and because he choosed Robin. He got ditched the day of his weeding and had a movie about him that portrayed him the negative way by the couple he brought back together himself. Got his appartement blown up. And was basically depressed by the end of the serie. He messed up several times and ultimately things turned out good for him but it wasn't that much better than the cast.
Louis-Stéphane LOBE LOBAS About Lily: She tried to sabotage his date, but then gave up and seemingly accepted that she couldn’t force them to get back together. Marshall took her back and they eventually got married. While I absolutely blame Lily for the pain the entire group felt when she ditched them, it is Marshall’s fault when he brought it up YEARS later for the sake of winning a point in an argument. If he couldn’t forgive and trust her, he shouldn’t have married her, and if he DID forgive her, he shouldn’t have said it. Barney...with Ted as the narrator, I wonder how accurate some of those details are. Like, do we really believe the same man who’d nearly die trying to get to Ted’s hospital bedside and would travel to California to beg Lily to come home would be involved in human trafficking? Robin. I’m not saying Ted planned to cut her off from the rest of the world and make her reliant on at least being around him, but that IS kind of what happened. Lily and Robin weren’t friends from the start. Ted kept making excuses to get Robin to socialize with him and bonds eventually formed. Later on, it made it really tough for Robin to date anyone else, because Ted had constant access to her partners and kept insisting they were destined for each other, which the others did not do enough to cut back on. The dog thing was just an example of how her life outside him shrank over the years. It was her call, but he brought it up in the first place, and it was one of the prime examples of how he tried to change her life to better suit his image of their future marriage.
The entire group of friends in HIMYM are pretty flawed characters. That's even commented on pretty directly in that one episode where Robin dates a psychologist.
@@irehoutsold287 What? No!! Marshall is incredibly clingy and dependant of Lily (who in turn is incredibly controlling and manipulative). Plus, he's kinda sexist when it comes to women's sexual freedom. Honestly, I think the better people in the group are Barney and Robin. Especially Barney as funny as that sounds
@@FilmOptix That's called stalking, and you need help. It's a VERY bad thing. If the other person in a relationship tells you it's over, IT IS OVER. No means no lol look it up.
@@ellieb.1231 Well that depends, if he's actively stalking her, then yea he's a stalker...but If he just shows her unconditional love whenever he sees her, it's not really stalking
It’s not a secret. Every character in how I met your mother is morally grey. Though, some more than others, that’s part of what makes the show so great. The characters are human. They have good and bad in them.
Seconded, after all of the character development that Barney went through because of his love for Robin, it's rendered null when he simply reverts back to his womanising ways after he and Robin get divorced. 😾
I really think that Barney came a really long way. I love the scene where he held his daughter and said ‘you are the love of my life. Everything I have and everything I am is yours forever’. So I don’t think that his character development is completely destroyed. I would love if Barney ended up with Robin, but I just love how that quote actually makes sense for his character. I don’t think that a woman would fill a hole in his heart, but I think a daughter would.
@@PrimmyRosie That scene left me stone cold as its totally unearned. I get that having kids changes you but this was just so lazy. Here's a baby - OH MY GOD IM A CHANGED PERSON THIS SECOND! No build up no real context, just a quick fix. It also implies that Robin could never make Barney happy based on her not wanting/not being able to have kids. The show keeps punishing her for it over and over again.
@@trinaq but he does so as a response. You can tell there is a hollowness and desperation that wasn't there before. Not every bit of character development is skin deep.
Nah for me, Barney should've married Nora, tbh. I liked her (and almost everyone else) a lot more than Robin by the end. They really wrote Robin into a whiny douchebag by the time season 8 and 9 came around.
You're cherrypicking all the bad stuff. 'Ted was never selfless'. Man loved Robin and set her straight multiple times to go fot Barney. If you leave out all the good stuff your critics become less believable
When Jeanette said How long have you been hung up on Robin?! 8 years!? And you still fetch dumb little trinkets for her Thats when i woke up and realized that Jeanette was more emotionaly stable than Ted
When she said that line it woke me up too like, DAMN 8 fucking years?! Stuck on someone who has stated and spelled out that they're not interested for 8 fucking years? Jesus Christ dude you gotta move on. Find someone who likes you back. It just seems even ridiculous to think about being stuck on someone for that long, how painful for that person too...clearly not gonna find happiness anytime soon.
I recently started rewatching HIMYM and Ted now just strikes me as a typical Nice Guy. He builds up these ideals about women and if one doesn't quite fit into it exactly, he always blames her and doesn't really take the time to explore the idea that he might be wrong. He also has serious problems with respecting boundaries and taking no for an answer. It's actually funny that he is the narrator too because he's also supposed to be the main character of the show so he's essentially a narcissist justifying his own actions and pushing his own agenda and rarely considering how he affects others around him. It also means we can never truly trust anything that happens in the show, even the way the other characters are, especially Barney, since he could very well just be exaggerating or embellishing to make himself look better.
The only thing we can "trust" is the ending, which was not told by Ted himself, where his kids urge him to go out with Robin and he shows up with the blue horn on her doorstep (again). And this is why that ending ruined the show; because up to that point, we could've assumed Ted was telling an unreliable story, with bad facts and exaggerations - but his ending up with Robin in the finale kind of validates everything he's said and done through the entire show - as the "happy" ending he deserved because he was "the protagonist".
What I found disturbing is some of the things ted does is the same as what Dennis from it's always sunny does. Some of the manipulation, damaging their lives to make them depend on you is what ted has done
My ex boyfriend was like Ted. He had this idea of a perfect woman and perfect, calculated life. Turns out he wanted to change every single thing about me, and control everything I did. Dumped him, and he still plays victim.
I remember once showing a woman "Somebody that I Used to Know" (the Walk Off the Earth cover video where they all play one giant guitar in one long take) and she freaked out about how accurate it was to her life.
The worst thing about these men is that in the end, you end up being the unworthy, undeserving bi*ch and they're always the victim. When in reality they're the unaccepting toxic one who tries to change you. Sis, we've dodged bullets.
@@BruceWayne003 Yes, I love it. I just finished rewatching! And I do like the ending. If the story was truly about the mom, it wouldn't have revolved around Robin. I always thought Robin loved Ted but didn't want to take his dreams away from him nor did she want to give up her dreams. In reference to this video, I think Ted did a lot of bad things but I don't think he was "bad" he was flawed, he was human, and he was selfish. No one is free from mistakes.
people forget whey ted and robin broke up she did not want kids and wanted to see the world. the end she like 50s, so yea he has his kid she seen the world, so it make sence. and remember this was like 7 year after they mom died.
I gotta say, the moment I got out of the “Ted” mentality my romantic life got way happier. I always wanted to be a good boyfriend to the dream person I like, but I realised I can be a good boyfriend to anyone that loves me back, and that is infinitely better.
@@XimenaConstanza Word to that, bro. Lowering your standards is like lowering your self worth. I waited for Robin and I got her in the end. Listen to the universe and search for signs.
@Alex Cyriac Actually, you can't be too sure of that, since everyone of the characters is as told by Ted, who's trying to make himself look better. Barney is the face of many predator anecdotes? Yes. But he's also the guy who's always trying to do the right thing. There is a 40% chance Ted has just painted him as bad as he possibly could.
Good lord, having a date say he’s falling in love with you on the first date who then arranges three days of parties only to get you to attend, that alone would scare me off a person forever
Red fucking flags right there! Dude even the showing up at her house with the string quartet she even says "sweet in theory but isn't it also kind of crazy" like... Robin is clearly turned off by that
"Love" and "Falling in love" are words that can have various meanings to different people depending on their circumstances, upbringing and vocabulary. What really matters is what they actually mean - is it "you're cute fun and attractive, and thinking of spending time with you makes me happy\giddy"; "Let's get married right now"; or something else?
I still can't get over the fact that even his kids reacted like "WHAT?!" when he told them that he told Robin he loves her on the first date like, Who does that?
haha... so freakin normal between teenagers i gues and the way we interact ..some ppl meet the first time but know each other over the internet or what ever reason xD do think some one must be or doing what ppl think is normal .. is abnormal
I still can't get over the fact that even his kids reacted like "WHAT?!" when he told them that he told Robin he loves her on the first date like, Who does that? A society overfilled to the brim with men who really believe the crap they've seen in Disney movies and flicks like The Girl Next Door
This makes the whole premise of the show so much worse. He's normalising his behaviour to his kids. His son will learn this as appropriate behaviour towards women and his daughter might expect men to treat her the way her father treated women. It's really quite bad.
Wow, that's quite an enlightening point you've raised! That thought is pretty terrifying, and I hope that they don't repeat the exact same process with their own children! 😨
depends on how easily manipulated you are, my dad has done some idiotic things and has tried to justify them at times but i call him on his shit, i love the man but everyone has faults and you can't be blind and have to use your own brain
17:26 - While it's true, that Barney often shows deep acts of kindness, I would disagree that Ted never does that... You named a few negative examples, but there are indeed MANY positive examples aswell (The acceptance of Robins and Barney's relationship, the fact that Ted is a strong emotional support for Robin especially in the later seasons, his attempts to hold the group together) - I think it is a massive exaggeration that Ted never does kind and selfless things. He is not perfect, but quite often he is indeed a good guy
Ted biggest flaw was the fact that he wanted "the one" and that one had to fit in perfectly in his idea of happy life. It's insane to think that somebody it's going to check every box in a list; you can't mold a person just to please you, want *they* want matters. Two things I don't agree though: Stella sucks and she was the villain in that story. Lilly did Marshall wrong and Ted presented very valid points in why he was mad at her, so he never had to apologize.
Stella did the right thing; she kept her family together. And Lily had every right to self-exploration that everyone must go through in life to determine who they really are.
I dont think Lily did Marshall wrong. She wanted to do something for herself and her carrier, that is important. She would have never knew what she wants in life if she didnt go. Then that problem would have come out later and would be even bigger. Sometimes people have to break up even though theyre stil in love.
@@minaworthing4364 she could have gone to him as soon as she heard about the internship and said "look i fell unhappy that my career didn't go the way i wanted it to. I heard about an internship in San Francisco and i want to apply because i feel like i've never had the chance to explore who i am outside of this relationship and i've always wanted to live abroad and be a painter. I love you but i really feel that before we get married, i have to try my chances at this art program" Marshall is not an unreasonable guy. He isn't possessive or controlling and he loved Lily. He would have understood and let her go explore who she is. She is not wrong for wanting this experience but she is wrong in the way she went about it. She went behing his back to get the internship than broke his heart and when she came back tried to pretend like nothing happened. The truth is, like he pointed out in season 9, Marshall WAS her conselation prize (this is definetely spelled wrong but you get the point). She only came back to him because the program sucked and she didn't find success.
One of the most telling episodes was when Ted went after Robins co-worker, who acted like a child, and when Robin was rightfully baffled by the hold this girl had on men- Ted blamed and insulted Robin by telling her that she never made him feel wanted because she was too independent. For all of his faults, Barney’s response was that he loved the independent side of Robin. Ted is a baby that’s scared of strong women.
Some people like to feel needed. Marshall and Lilly were a super dependent couple (sometimes to a fault, like the road trip to Chicago with Lilly), but they still had a very healthy relationship. I do agree that Barney really was able to recognize and appreciate her independence. But I don't think this made Ted less of a character, it's just another difference between Ted and Robin as people.
Robin is far from a "strong' women" though. Strength is doing something despite knowing the consequences and enduring the hardships that come with it. Robin actively does the opposite, she pursues a career and expects the world to fall in place for her other idealisms. It's almost as if ignoring other aspects of one's life then crying about why those aspects don't work out is anything but a strong person.
Ted wanted to feel needed, and that doesn't make him a bad person at all. Nor does it mean he is "afraid" of a strong woman." People want different things, and that's okay
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Ted was confused and that just hurt so many people he got himself involved with. Marshall, Lily and Barney knew who they were and stuck with it. Robin, for the most part, knew who she was, but got screwed over by a few people along the way because she had her moments of weaknesses.
I mean Robin Just change ,there Is no "corruption" by anyone ,She Just change along the story , because She Is a human ,i mean at the start of the series She was so afraid to be in a long relationship with someone ,and at the end of the story we can see her getting married with Barney
I think Ted is a love addict, addicted to the high of pursuing romantic interests and the initial excitement of new love, but once he gets the object of his desire it's not long before he doesn't want him anymore. The only reason he maintains his feelings for Robin are sustained over years is because she remains elusive (and takes intermittent breaks from his obsession over her to be obsessed with someone else). His fixations on women have nothing to do with the real person, he's just transposing his obsessive ideation about One True Love onto them successively. No one is a real person with their own needs to him and what he feels isn't "love". His behavior qualifies as a disorder because it negatively impacts his life on a regular basis, causing him to jeopardize his career and friendships and even puts him at risk for jail time because some of the things he does in the name of "love" are illegal. I don't think Ted ever actually could get married and sustain a committed relationship without therapy because he loses interest in relationships as soon as the person doesn't live up to his image of them or the heightened excitement of new love settles down. I could see him getting married and divorced multiple times in his life and always thinks it's because he just can't find "the one" and not because he has poor relationship skills.
except in the end, he does last with Tracy... even when they had to postpone a marriage, and give up their ideas of a Perfect Big Wedding, they lived happily. we can't say he never could have a healthy relationship when the entire show was how he finally could, in the end.
@@madysonroberts1608 lol no that was nora there was a whole episode dedicated to that and concludes w how it’s actually not smthin he’s bothered by that much.
I thought they were cute. They were the chaotic couple that were always on the same wavelength. Ted and Tracy were like the shoulders for them who always helped them out one way or another. Marshall and Lily were like the parents 😂
It's extremely telling that the "Nice Guy" trope is steadily dying down, and more of Ted and Ross' actions look extremely creepy, clingy and invasive through contemporary lenses. 😁
I even like Ross better than Ted, in Friends at least the characters are aware that Ross's behavior is not healthy and we also get a clear explanation (not excuse) for it, he used to be carefree and trustful until Calor cheated on him(yes, she cheated on him! People always seem to forget that) and his father imposed a very toxic masculinity on him even though Ross was cuddled by him and his mother(specially his mother), which also spoiled him. I still condemned the writers for not closing his redemption arc(if he ever had any, to me it starts when he accepts Rachel and Joey as a a couple) by letting Rachel pursue her dream job in Paris. Ted just plain sucks! 🤣
About time tbh, so many young men in real life have that similar whiny "I'm a nice person and I know I would be the perfect bf, silly women just don't know what's best for them and go after the wrong men" mindset. They don't feel whole and they think a partner will make them whole, spoiler alert: they will not. If you aren't a whole person before you get into a relationship the relationship won't change that, it will only magnify it. There are some cases in which you work through your issues with your partner's help and get to salvage the relationship, but that would imply you have the self-awareness to see the problem and you are willing to put in the effort to change it. Sadly that happens rarely.
I never get why Ross is made out to be such a bad guy. He is obsessive and petty with rachel, but she does similarly bad things back towards him. Together, they are a toxic couple. Outside of rachel he actually is a pretty measured person. He walks his ex down the isle at her wedding. How many people would ever do that, especially if she cheated on you? He also trys to be cool with joey and rachel, even though it makes him breakdown. Id say ross is just the classic shy nerd not a "nice guy". He isnt perfect but he's nowhere near as bad as ted
Ted helped stela, despite the fact that he owed her nothing While he did stupid mistakes, robin was what ted wanted with every other guy she dated (she chose don or w/e his name is over a dream job, she married to barney, she got upset when she found out she can't have kids,etc ) Dude is clearly the most human out of the whole show with both the good and the bad ... A villain is a stretch
@@joaolucassousa6440 I totally get why you say that, Barney was a total monster, and the reason I say 'was' is because of the tremendous amount of character development he had- from saying he'd never get married and treating women like shit to throwing his fiancé the rehearsal dinner of her dreams, you'd never believe they're the same people. I'm not saying Barney was flawless towards the later episodes, but you could really tell he was in love with Robin to the point he was ready to move out of his apartment to start a new life with her someplace else (unlike Ted who has a new 'the one' every day) I'm not trying to justify the bad things he did but yeah- I'd die on the hill too But of course you have your own opinions and views, I not trying to force this on you lol
@@joaolucassousa6440 Barney does not mean that seriously lol, it is for comedic effect. If anything, it is the opposite. Ted is the one who wanted Robin to feel "needed" by him, whereas Barney likes that Robin is independent and can take care of herself.
I just realized the PERFECT ending for HIMYM. Everyone is upset the mom died and that was the twist. I still think there should have been a twist. At the very end, the kids should have said. "I don't understand dad, if you loved mom so much, why did you two get divorced." Then Ted should have looked at them and said. "Weren't you listening to the story? I was a complete mess back then. I had no idea what love was or how to truly be in love. Sure when I met your mom, I thought she was the one, just like all the others but just like all the others, I let a few minor inconsequential flaws get in the way of what should have been a great marriage. I was a fool. That's why I told you this story." And then maybe the kids encouraging him to get back with the mom now that he's matured... or not... something like that.
He'd have to be even a far bigger jerk than this video states in order to tell his KIDS that the love of his life was his ex-wife. That's just plain creepy.
The moral of the story based on the ending if you stalk, berate and wear down a woman who doesn't want you and has made it clear she doesn't want you, she will magically then want you. It's unrealistic, creepy and borderline stupid.
Makes sense. Joe seriously believes he's the good guy, and all's well cause he does it for love! And we as an audience want to root for him for this reason, smh
He took 9 years to tell one story that ended with him trying to manipulate his kids into accepting his decision to move on from his deceased wife of course he's the villian
Manipulating his kids to get over his deceased wife? Hasn't she been dead for years? It is considerate of him to even ask. Widows are allowed to move on you know..
@@GirlDo3 Fair points: - Yes, widows are allowed to move on, and Ted did wait the appropriate time for moving on. - Yes, Ted was considerate to even ask his kids. (Even through this would impact his kids, since they were already teenagers by then, and no longer required as close of parental care, including motherly care, the decision of whoever Ted was with would therefore not be too impactful for them). However, one could argue that they way he told the story of meeting their mother was still somewhat manipulative. Considering how Tracy was their real mother and he didn't even hardly mention anything about her until towards the final years, and she does not even show up regularly until the final year, and how she does not even play an active role until close to the end where she is soon killed off anyway, all while Robin plays a much more dominant and present role throughout the entirety of the story, it does seem like Ted was telling the story in such a way as to get the kids to sympathize his romantic obsession with Robin so he could justify his continued pursuit of her. In other words, the way he told the story, it almost seems like he considered Robin to be the mother that he met rather than Tracy, their actual mother!
@@johnwalker1058 I get your points, but I think that it wasn't just him at fault. I think Robin, for her own sake should've moved on long ago, but the kids said they had noticed him and aunt Robin were into each other so I guess Robin wanted to be with him too. And I think the ending was maybe refering their pact of being together if they were single by 40. I think even tho the writers have failed to really demonstrate it, their best relationship was with each other and If Ted didn't want children they would've stayed together. As if Stacy only served the purpouse to breed his children, raise them and pass away when conveniant for Ted and Robins relationship.
Is Ted not allowed to be happy YEARS after his wife's death? Like you can clearly see how broken he was about her death in a couple of scenes, wanting more time with her. But in the real world, most people whose spouses have passed on tend to start dating again. How is he a villain?
Hey, can you guys eventually talk about crazy ex girlfriend? Rebecca is like Ted, I feel, but with the very critical difference that she comes to realize that she is the villain in her own story, and that life isn't scripted and that finding the one shouldn't be her main goal in life in order to be happy and fulfilled. Anyway. To anyone reading this comment, please watch crazy ex girlfriend
I think a series of Takes on that show would be great, especially for Valencia. I grew up near West Covina and she started off pretty spot on to the area. And somehow her development was both unexpected yet believable.
Oh yes, that's true. The worrying thing is that I can see myself in both Ted and Rebecca... And even slightly in Carrie (from Sex and the City). I might have some rethinking to do.
@@Aster_Risk Yeah, I've learned to be much less idealistic in the past few years. :) Or, well, I have started to channel my most fantastical ideas into art. I think that is a healthy way to deal with them. The ending of CXG was actually one of the things that inspired me to ditch my unrealistic relationship goals and put more effort and energy on my own "solo projects". I know that the creators of the show don't really want to view the series as a therapy program but it did give a lot of food of thought, at least.
This is such a one-sided summary, where specific examples are handpicked to support the narrative. Every person has good and bad sides, so did Ted. He was not realistic and perfect, but calling him a villain is just exaggeration.
I thought they said he was suppose to represent women in romantic comedies, what do you think would have made him more of a romantic comedy female lead?
The only difference between these two characters is their love interests. Robin is way better than Rachel as a person as far as I feel. Both of them went through tremendous character growth. But Rachel sabotaged every relationship of Ross. Robin I guess never did that to Ted. I love all of these people as actors and I definitely love friends more than himym, but this is my assessment on the love lives of Ted and Ross
i never understood the double standard ross and ted complain about anything and they call in whineing, BUT eveeryone else on the show does it it not big deal. lily bitch all the time so does robin, BUT only ted get blame for it.
"Kids, let me tell you the story of how for about a decade I flirted with the fine line between 'sweet and endearing and persistent' and 'delusional and creepy and tone-deaf AF'."
And that makes Barney OK..?? So u'd prefer sociopath over a harmless pretentious whimp? Ted was super bad but was nothing compared to Barney.. He was a straight up criminal..
Nory-Chan And says YOU’RE NOT THE ONE straight to their faces!! Yes ted I understand these successful, beautiful, kind women are not upto your unrealistic standards, but man there’s an appropriate way to break up with people. Like telling them how much they have meant to you and how much you enjoyed time together before breaking up with them. When he broke up with his ex on her birthday and told her that it’s like she didn’t win the lottery. 😒🙄 I can’t.
I think the show realized this on and off during its run that Ted was the bad guy. The reason he and Tracy were a match wasn't because she was perfect for Ted (she was way too good for him. Although, we can never know because Ted is an unreliable narrator) but because he let go of that idealistic ideas that screw the women he dated over (he says so in the episode about Tracy and his first date that four years ago he'd make a speech that scare her off but now he wouldn't) by the time he met her. There's numerous examples of this: how he said she wouldn't have liked him back in Saint Patrick's Day, how Stella made him less of an idealistic which was why she was an important part of the story. Ted's character development was to become LESS of the main character who gets what he wants just cause. Sure, he could still act like a jerk in later seasons and his idealism was what made him more and more unhappy in the late years, but I still think that was how he was meant to develop. Which is WHY the ending sucks so bad because it reverses all that relative development and has Ted screw up Robin's life again.
Getting together when they’re 50 and already achieved most of their “check-list” goals in life is not the same thing as them getting together in their 20s/30s, so the ending did not “screw over” either of them
Woah dude I like that line. "Ted's character development was to become less of the main character." Never even thought of it like that. You should be a philosiphizer lol
Marshall was a genuinely great guy. He had issues, but they were few, and he loved and respected his friends so much. More people like that would make the world a happier place.
@@yeahyeahyea7593 I respect your opinion, but I feel like the audience and the show had genuinely moved on from Ted and Robin. And it showed how Robin and Barney could be together too. Like, in the first episode, Ted's opinions of true love was kind of immature. Its like a list of hobbies and personality traits he wanted her to have. Idk if you've watched 500 days of summer, but there's a dialogue," Just because some cute girl likes the same bizzaro crap you do, that doesnt make her your soulmate." Ted and Robin, in my opinion, are not compatible as they are not only different people but also wanted different things from life and relationships.
the main problem is with how he’s framed. if he started out this way and then grew over the course of the show that would actually be a well-written character arc, but although he does have a few moments of self-awareness, he just gets consistently framed as the good guy with no real progress. its really a missed opportunity
Barney sees a hot girl in a bar. He lies to them to try to get laid. If theyre not interested or not gullible enough he moves on to the next girl Ted sees a hot girl in a bar. Convinced his brain that shes the one and she loves him back she just doesn't know it. She tells him shes married, shes got a family, she's not interested, she's scared about him coming on strongly. Ted sees this as just a test to prove he's the one they should be with and will go to any level to do what it takes
I never realized how much like Joe in "You" he is. If you were to put their inner monologues or their feelings on love side by side, they basically say the same thing.
@@pianoslayer2516 Man, if it is true that comparing the two can be exaggerated, Ted is not at all a "romantic" type or a "romantic fool". If guys learn to be "romantic" from him, then they better not be romantic ... or whatever you think is romantic. A person who does not respect your limits, your personal space, your desires or your interests then is nothing more than an egocentric, selfish and controlling stalker.
@@laplitkhiddlestoner4ever834 Yes, Ted Mosby is definitely a stalker. Let's do a quick recap of his failings. He asked Robin out multiple times. Granted, she even had feelings for him. She cried when she realized he was taken. Lily herself saw the confusion in Robin. He introduced her to his group of friends and they all became super close. When they finally did start dating, they seemed really good together, with the lone exception that Ted wanted long-term commitment and Robin had no idea what she wanted. Interestingly, she chose a life of long-term commitment with Barney, a person who can't possibly give her that. Ted, by the way, supported her ultimate when she chose Barney. Ted's mistake was ever wasting time on a lady too emotionally confused to know what she wanted and to actually appreciate him. At worst, you can say he was a little pushy. That's far from being an egocentric, selfish stalker (let alone, a serial killer).
You could argue that Ted's a villain because as his stories go on, the overall narrative shifts from being a story about how he met their true mother to how he just wants to date Robin after the mother died, while telling about all the fun times and memories they shared so the kids would be more sympathetic to this motive. It's not necessarily that he never loved Tracy, but only that he loved Tracy as much as he could possibly love any woman other than Robin. Once he hyper-fixated on Robin as "The One," he never let go of that idea, and pursued Robin relentlessly, tried to use other women to get over Robin, but couldn't, and even after spending a good portion of his life with a really great woman who became the mother of his children, still ran back to Robin not long after she died.
@NIVEA yes, but that makes it a bad concept, at least once they get past the first season. When they realized that they were going to have more than a couple of seasons, they filmed all the scenes with he kids ahead of time. This forced them into Ted ending up with Robin, even though the characters developed into people who weren't remotely right for each other. They proposed "How I Met Your Dad," from Tracy's point of view, which would have been fun except it couldn't be a light romantic comedy once we knew she'd die.
@@johnwalker1058 no, if that's the case the ending wouldn't had happen ted gave up on robin and has happy with his wife and didn't go back even tho robin threw herself at him
Ted did not reappear back in Stella's life and bad mouth her. He happened to run into Stella and Tony, and Tony thought Ted might want Stella back, which is why Ted explained that he doesn't want Stella back, not after he got left at the altar. That is not badmouthing. Ted did not fight his way back in Stella's life to ruin her life. All I'm saying is that some of the points you made were kinda unfair. Even though you had some good points, I must say that multiple of the few second clips of evidence you had were pretty much taken out of context.
I agree with most of the points they made, but Stellas & Tonys behavior were absolutely bad. Also I don't blame not remembering blah blahs name after 22 years after one date or so. :D But other than that Ted was not really a great guy ... baggage.
@@fulsgarden6915 True, the baggage thing was questionable :D Also, the fact that he eventually does remember Blah blah's name (Carol), just gave a conclusion to a running joke, and I feel like some of the questionable things the characters have done were indeed jokes because the whole show is a comedy. (Those being the long ass party, for example)
I totally disagree. Apart from maybe Marshall all others have done very immoral things throughout the series. There is no villain. The characters are realisitc and therefore have flaws. Furthermore i feel a lot of the "negative traits" of Ted aren't even negative traits. It is completely normal to think someone is the love of your life and soon after a break up realise you were wrong.
It’s often like this, not only on television and books but also in real life. The “nice guy” trope is often used by creepy guys to convince others and themselves that they are good people. That’s why quiet “nice guys” scare me so much more than people who are normal or even a bit mean
There was a "nice guy" at my job that wanted to date me, but I immediately told him I just wanted to be friends. Everything seemed ok until... he bought me gifts, rushed to pay for my lunch and got mad when I declined, got my address and sent flowers to my house on several occasions, and then sent me hate-mail when I told him our "friendship" was not going to work out. It scares me that people like him will think that they're just being sincere, "good" men, when they're really just emotionally volatile, manipulative, and vindictive people.
Ted's great obstacles were: -He would move too fast in his relationships. -His concept of "The One" was too idealistic. *To overcome his obstacles, he needs: -Timing (To pace himself slowly) -To accept people for who they really are
The firs one IS even mentioned in the show. It's basically the premise as to why It starts so soon. The show tells the story of how he became the person Who met her wife. There's an episode when he literally tells us that if he had met Tracy a few years back he would've scared the shit out of her, because he moved too fast in relationships.
move too fast - yeah, but I got that b*tch Robin anyways... The One...too idealistic - and yet I found her (the mother or Robin - you decide) Timing - is merely subjective Accepting people for who they are - do you do that, eh? How is that even possible?
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I always preferred Marshall. He truly cared about everyone and was so in love with Lily. Moral of the story: get yourself a Marshall.
Be the Marshall you want to see in the world 🌎
Marshall was literally EVERYTHING and his family was freaking cute. Get yourself a Marshall.
Moral of the Story: If you are a Marshall, avoiod Lilys like the plague.
Yeah right those do not exist
@@Fernando31611 what lily did?
Ted: Wolf in sheeps clothing
Barney: Sheep in wolfs clothing
Marshalll: sheep
this is so true omg
s h e e p
I mean, Barney is objectively worse than Ted, the only difference is that Ted is expected to do good things and often does bad things and Barney is expected to do bad things and often does good things.
But to say Barney is a sheep and Ted is a wolf is a bit of an exaggeration.
In my theory.
Barney: Knows that he himself is a wolf and he never tried to hide that fact in front of his friends.
Ted: Thinks he is a sheep, but actually a wolf.
Barney knows deep down Ted is a wolf like him, That is why he wanted Ted as his wingman in the first place.
MeTube Wellllll
There is a theory that Ted exaggerated Barney's actions and downplayed his own
I always seem to forget that Ted's narration is unreliable but this theory actually makes sense
Makes sense, i just started watching the show all over again a few weeks ago and I’m surprised how terrible of a person Ted actually is. In all honesty he could be making everyone seem worse than what they were to make himself seem like a saint. Lily kinda proved that when she told the REAL story about what happened when Ted saw the Captain at the art exhibit.
@@mary5203 OK.. So what do u trust in the show then if you don't trust the narrator? May be Lily was criminal, an art thief, that's why he keeps telling about Aldrin justice where she keeps stealing expensive stuff.. Barney's mom was actually a stripper and he used to live in a strip club rather than visiting it and became a prostitute thats why he was ashamed to tell about his job and was able to sleep with 250+ women and Robin eventually found out and they got divorced? May be Marshall was a violent guy and a bully who made sure that Ted made him a nice guy in his stories and that's why Ted warned his kids to never get into a fight with him.. Point is, u can't cherry pick parts that u don't like and attribute it to a untrustworthy narrator..
@@ChatPOPPAT there is a huge difference between "the narrator is unreliable so there are some inconsistenses and exaggerations" and "the whole narration and the whole show is a lie". Come on man, im just saying that the narrator isn't fully reliable so we should take things with a grain of salt, not create our own scenarios. Also, why respond to me? Im not the one who came up with that theory
@@mary5203 U made a comment on a public platform and I responded to you.. That's how things work on internet.. And all said was some sarcastic rubbish to make the point that U can't cherrypick points that u don't like about the story and attribute it to "unreliable narrator" especially character arcs which are the foundation of a show.. I understand exaggerations from silliness.. That means u at the least have to accept the character arcs as real unless explicitly told...
Barney is a nice guy who pretends he isn't. He loves his family and friends. He is afraid to be vulnerable. He wants what Marshall and Lilly has but feels he doesn't deserve it.
uuhhh that would be true if he didnt lie to get laid still a king tho love barney stinson but would hate him in real life
Right? Barney is a nice guy and not at all an asshole who manipulates women in order to get laid, love that guy.
@@sss-bp3td the only reason why i love batney is bc of neil patrick harris lololol
@radicalsis do keep in mind this was told from Ted's point of view, which could mean he may have overexaggerated Barney's womanizing tendencies. For all we know, Barney may have been a player, but without the psychopathic tendencies shown.
@@sss-bp3td well , don't forget he wanted to be in Peace Corp and start a family until the woman he loved cheated on him and turned him into this maniac. I mean the guy was already messed up with a broken childhood and daddy issues and then when he thought he was about to have something great he got betrayed. I'm not saying manipulating women to bed is justified but he had problems so he chose to be in denial. And we also saw how he kept scores on banging 200 women for some bet he made in school. He had trust issues because of a woman and so the guy chose not to trust any other
Never realized “How I met your mother” was just “500 days of summer” but drawn out into the form of a show.
Probably because I never even finished the first season. But I heard it is pretty good up until the end.
Haha thats the first thing i thought when i saw this tittle
@@malikphillips4794yeah a show that you can watch over and over again i mostly skip the last season
Malik Phillips yeah, it’s like a what if version of the movie where Tom did ended up with summer and it sucked
Great comparison!
Ted: Do you love me?
Robin: No.
Ted: Do you see yourself married in 5 years?
Robin: no.
Ted: Oh, we're destined to be together.
Ugh it’s so true Ted is such a doof
Exactly! They want completely different things in life from the very beginning and never changed during all those seasons! Why did they end up together???
because at that point in their life they wanted the same thing,
@@kwikwi3005 Just because he thinks of her as his dream girl doesn't mean that he thinks she thinks of him as her dream boy
I’ve met guys who reflect their idealized concept of a partner on me and it’s exhausting, they don’t see you for what your are they’re focused on themselves they create a “magical chemistry” that’s just not there
Ted: "She's not getting rid of the dogs!"
Barney: "Even I wouldn't do that."
Everyone watching: Oof.
@Jolene Jellybean who cares
@@danielherschel2926 You do, apparently 😀
My fiancé was allergic to my dog so she took allergy meds until she got used to him and now he’s basically her child
Denise F am I the only that thought it was weird that a lot of Robin’s exes gave her dogs in the relationship like who gives a dog as a present in a non serious relationship
No its legot. Its not ok but its legit. U still should have understanding for that behavior otherwise u clearly lack of empathy ;)
One of the episodes that made me realize how delusional Ted really is is in the episode Trilogy Time where Ted imagines where he will be in 3 years. In one of the scenarios Robin is pregnant with his baby and she says that "I've never been into the whole marriage and kids thing but Ted made me change my mind." It really highlights how Ted loves the idea of Robin as opposed to really loving everything about her.
The most ridiculously ironic thing is that he broke up with Robin cause she didn't want to get married! like... i mean... isn't the entire point of marriage to be with the person you love? So how the f**k does it make sense to separate from the person of your dreams for "getting married"?
Funny thing is, we all do that at some point, its part of growing up realizing this, honestly, Ted is not a monster or a villain, he needs therapy lol
Yeah but after Robin breaks up with Barney she realizes that shes in love with Ted and that "hes the guy im supposed end up with". Thats one of the reasons she abandons the group. I believe deep down Robin wants a commited relationship with Ted and even children with him.
@@timonfischer6515 na its just bad writing
Is just his imagination bro. In the real story, they break up to archieve their dreams
Don't be like Ted, who has an unrealistically high expectations of finding true love.
Be like Marshall and Lily, who, like many couples, have troubles in their relationships and deal with it like adults....for the most part at least.
Even when they have been together for over 9 years, Lily and Marshal still allow themselves to learn and grow as individuals and from each other.
Lily was terrible tho
Lily is manipulative
He doesn't have unrealistic high expectations though he just wants a moderately good looking who has a good personality and isn't weird is that too much to ask for?
Sure, be like Lily... the woman who dumped her boyfriend for selfish reasons, then hid away, sabotaged all his dates and made it impossible for him to move on - and then demanded for him to take her back. Oh, and she steal stuff, bullies her students, and takes on huge debts that Marshall is then forced to pay. She sure seems like a stable and wonderful person.
For me the most important line Barney ever say's 'I love everything about her and I'm not a guy who says that lightly'. How many times do we have to hear Ted saying a girl is 'perfect', 'special' 'the one' 'made for him how many girls does he say I love you too with no thought of what it means or if he really feels it. This speech is a once in a lifetime declaration. Barney feels this way about one woman. He waits until he is completely sure. The finale was the worst ending of any show I have ever watched.
I didn't even watch the show and I was mad after my friend ranted about it
i didn't like the ending either
I didn't like how they killed off the mother, broke up Barney and Robin, and basically shoehorned Robin into Ted's perfect world for no reason than it was originally planned.
they were locked in an ending because they shot the finale with the teen kids very early on. which is why it doesn't match with the character growth of any of those characters.
Barney cared more for Robin than Ted ever did. Ted only cared about himself. Barney is just one of those guys who hides his pain and insecurities with his "playboy" persona.
looking at it objectively it’s actually insane how obsessive he is and how it’s played off as hopeless romantic.
Isn't that subjective? Robin played my game and was ok with it. It's all a matter of perspective...
i dont thing you understand what obseeive, it all about what the other person want, remember ted goes after robin, she say NO he leave her alone SHE goes back after him.
@@tedmosby616 this is the funniest thing I have ever seen 😂
I mean the course of the show kind of deconstructs it and he unlearned it, learning from lilly and marshall
He’s always trying to force destiny, and then when he finally lets his guard down, let’s robin go, he finds Tracey
The show would have so amazingly perfected that character growth for him if the last episode hadn’t thrown it out the window
remember the reason ted and robin broke up he wanted kids and she wnated to see the world, they are now in there 50s he has kids and she seen the world.
Wowza it’s actually disturbing how Ted is obsessive. In reality he would have at least one restraining order.
I always liked Barney. His character development is amazing to watch.
@_oblivion_ To add on he uploaded Robin's music video without her permission on my space and up until that point he though it was going to be a porno staring Robin, one of his closest friends. I love Barney character, but if I was a girl or met a guy like him in real life I would not want to talk him and worry about the stds.
What I found disturbing is some of the things ted does is the same as what Dennis from it's always sunny does. Some of the manipulation, damaging their lives to make them depend on you is what ted has done
I have never understood why Ted was the one labeled as "the good guy" when clearly the only genuinely good guy in the show is Marshal.
Ted is more like a wolf in sheep's clothing.
And barneys the comedic relief we all need
Crying crocodile
Barney and Marshall were there for contrast. Ted tries to be like Marshall but he's more like barney
Well Marshall is the good guy and Ted is the "nice guy"😬
So in real life women who are like Ted are Villain? Interesting.
Also, the time where he berates Robin because she was too independent for his liking, and how he never felt like she "needed" him. In contrast, Barney is the one who recognizes this is a great quality Robin has, but the writers still thought she'd be better off with Ted smh
Yeah, she should have stayed with Barney and Ted's story should have been a tale to memorialize his dead wife instead of the creepy it ended up being.
RachelAnnPotter or his wife could’ve just not died
I was just thinking this! The show always shames Robin for being unfeeling and afraid of intimacy when she’s really just a strong, career focused woman who wants to take time getting to know a guy before committing the rest of her life to him. I’d say she has a MUCH healthier take on love than Ted.
@@yoda5436 what are you doing here yoda
Some people like to feel needed. Marshall and Lilly were a super dependent couple (sometimes to a fault, like the road trip to Chicago with Lilly), but they still had a very healthy relationship. I do agree that Barney really was able to recognize and appreciate her independence. But I don't think this made Ted less of a character, it's just another difference between Ted and Robin. I personally have no preference about who Robin should have ended up with, but by the very end of the show I can easily see why Ted and Robin would get together, they both got what they wanted out of life (Ted:wife and kids)(Robin: successful career) and they're single. It is unfortunate that Barney and Robin get divorced and that Tracy dies, and it all definitely could have all been paced better in the last episode, but that's life sometimes, things like that happen and himym was never scared to tackle the heavier aspects of life.
Why is no one talking about how he all of a sudden fell in love with Robin again when he learned she and Barney got engaged, it’s clear he’s jealous of the fact that robin was ready to get married to her actual soulmate and that soulmate isn’t him
Robin pretty much did the same when Ted was marrying Stella
When Ted was about to marry Stella, Robin asked Lily 'Why isn't Ted Marrying me?', implying she still had feelings for Ted. She even asked Ted not to get married to Stella because she wanted him as a back up option, like seriously?. You want a guy to cancel his marriage so that you can place him on the hook?
hout about any time ted or barney find happiness Robin starts having feelings for them....exhibit stella and tracy and victoria for ted and nora for barney....Robin is the worst character
In the series its clear that they still love each other even after the break up but they just hide it because in their head they arent meant for each other, they think that being with each other equals to disaster.
is that why she was ready to run away from her wedding with ted ?
omar ahmed she had a mental breakdown an wanted to run, ted just happened to be there. If is she wanted ted then she wouldn’t have returned to the wedding nor kept running even though ted told her that he won’t escape and she wouldn’t have reacted to Barney’s vows as she did
I think it was pointed out that nobody in the show was perfect Lily was manipulative and greedy, Ted was obsessive and could be cruel, Barney was Barney and asshole at best and should be in jail at worst, Marshall held grudges from college to Lily for years (justified or not), Robin was violent and callous and put herself above others constantly.
They all had bad parts but they all had good too I always saw the show as how good people can mess up or just be people they didn’t have to be good or bad exclusively they were just people
Finally someone who doesnt jump on the "Ted is shit and the others are all great" bandwagon.
i think the video exaggerates a lot, like ted 'not being able to apologise' and they use the example where he was angry at lily for dumping marshall for san francisco for months, smashing his heart. ted sucks and is defintely a 'nice guy' trademark but he isn't really a villain either, he kinda just sucks
@@cholaco1101 I think Ted was overall better than he was bad and cared a lot about his friends even to his detriment. But he could just also be condescending and had other flaws. I think all of them (except Barney who rewatching should definitely be in jail) were decent people
Was about to comment this myself. Ironic how a video talking about how the narrator is manipulating the story to seem like something hes not, is using said video the manipulate the story and turn him into something he's not. He's just a flawed dude. Not evil, not great just a normal ol flawed human doing his best
Yes, everyone had flaws, except Tracy. That is why i do not like Tracy - she is basically a she-Ted. Too perfect
i think the only thing we can agree on is that Ted shouldn’t have ended up with Robin
Indeed, the Take even summed it up best with their video on Robin a few weeks back. She and Barney were clearly the better match! 💘👫
Or honestly, her just being happy as a reporter doing her job, no need to be coupled up
Well the ending with Ted and Robin is bullshit
@@trinaq Barney wanted kids but didn't want to broke up with Robin,She has happy as Ellie 's father
@@brianas6906 Barney didn't want kids. He just got one by accident.
ted is exactly the kind of guy who would always be saying “nice guys always finish last :(“
But they finish the best.
Funnily enough Chandler said that once
And he's the furtherst thing of a nice guy
@@bruuh0_0 Do you mean he's a real nice guy or a r/niceguy?
Because Chandler is an absolutely awesome human being
@@bruuh0_0 wait- are there people who dOnt like chandler bing? 🙀
@@Coffeetime110 I meant as a r/nice guy, but he's not a normal nice guy either, he's a prince with a golden soul
Barney and Robin should have ended up together... :/ aaand just a follow up, Ted is the narrator of HIMYM so he could possibly made Barney and Robin to be as horrible as possible together.
They did.
Second ending is the only ending.
In my headcanon they are. And that is why Ted starts his story when he starts it: not because it was the day HE met Robin, but because it was the day BARNEY met Robin. And that is actually important to the story of how he eventually met Tracy.
They still are. Given the fact that the finale was written and filmed very early on in the show and the writers were too lazy to change it, I don’t consider any of it as canon. Swarkles forever!
@@ЖаннаКалишевич I'm so annoyed that that wasn't the angle the show went with. When it was revealed that Ted meets the mother at Barney and Robin's wedding, I thought "oh, that's why he started the story with meeting Robin. Because if he never met Robin, he would have never met the mother." What a waste of a plot point.
@@hihello207 Exactly. They were so determined to keep that dumb original ending that they didnt consider how the characters had developed over the years. The last season should never have happened
Ted: Nice Guy™
Marshall: genuinely nice guy
What I found disturbing is some of the things ted does is the same as what Dennis from it's always sunny does. Some of the manipulation, damaging their lives to make them depend on you is what ted has done
For me, the French Blue Horn represents the obsession of a man who tried to force destiny. He didn't need to steal a yellow umbrella, just came to his hands. Destiny~ Kiki Em
He very much did steal the yellow umbrella. St. Patricks Day
OMG yesss!
Doofenshmirtz evil inc
hows agent p
he stole the umbrella
The simple truth is that Ted is not a good guy, he's a Nice Guy.
Yep, too true!
You forgot the 'TM', homie.
Yep, he's such a douchebag I can barely watch the show. I have to remind myself it's fiction and told from his POV but man, he treats women so bad!
I thought that before I watched this video Now I think he is just a terrible person.
I always liked Barney more because at least hes honest about his intentions rather than using "niceness" to manipulating and abusing the women in his life.
I think we can agree that Barney had more character development than Ted ever did (until they practically reversed the whole thing in the last episode)
Yeah, despite his shady nature when it comes to being a player, at least he isn’t a washout denier like Ted.
Ehm Barney should have ended up in prison for sexual assaults. THEN we cal talk about character development
laboomerang he never assaulted them. He just got their consent in really shady ways. Like, he never coerced or raped anyone. He just convinced them that his penis grants wishes if you rub it hard enough.
@@therealneal3034 He did that? Oh god...it may not be ilegal, but it still is shady as hell...
@Hannah Selig For the story, Ted wasnt there for that conversation and is a very unreliable narrator. The worse Barney looks, the better he looks in comparison.
From the real life perspective, it always felt more like a joke for the audience. Obviously they wouldn't be able to get away with a joke like that now, but I think the vast majority of people were okay with it then.
Ted: There's a woman who wants exactly the same as I do and is amazing
Everyone: She's in a relationship
Ted: I'm a nice guy, she should be with me
But he got her in the end didn't he?
@formanga8871 Depends on which ending you go by. Personally I prefer the alternate ending.
@@PittsburghSportsFan43same
If sitting down his kids to supposedly tell them the story of how he met their mother, only to focus on how he dated half of New York City, and his pals' wacky shenagians, with the purpose of getting back together with his ex after his wife dies, doesn't scream "Ted is secretly a creep", then I don't know WHAT does! 🤣🙄
Right?? I thought the point of the show was to show how he became the kind of person their mother would want to meet, and what not to do when you're dating people, and the ending just completely ruined it. Some episodes did a good job of that and some didn't.
Unfortunately i agree with this...
It just further proves he's a narcissist. tells a story about how he met his wife but hardly mentions. I don't think he really loved her. she just completed an image he wanted so badly. I've seen it a lot and believe that's why some people stay in unsatisfying relationships. they know from the outside it looks picture perfect and people envy them and they want to keep that.
I do like the theory that this happened in 2020 so they were in quarantine so he was just dragging out the story.
Either way Ted still sucks
Did Ted kill his wife?
I think everything would have been fine if Ted had grown and realized his mistakes. I thought that's where they were going with his arcs in season 4 where he was kind of an ass but the gang called him out, and he said something about how he's glad he didn't meet the mother then, because she wouldn't have liked him. It would have been a much better story if the mother wasn't the perfect ideal who checked off every box on his list, but instead had the same values and goals and a compatible personality. Someone quirky and fun but also practical, who doesn't put up with his shit, and hey maybe she's a cat person and she thinks scotch is gross, but he learns to be okay with that, because the reality is better than the ridiculous thing he imagined. And of course, if he actually stayed with this real person and didn't just chase after Robin again. They could have done all that in just the last season or two but they fucked the whole thing up and nothing had consequences.
Thank you very much for this, I always had this feeling that Ted fall in love of the ideal she represented rather than see her as a person, they had their moments tho, when she let go of her past love for example.
I'm still bitter for the end tho.
Exactly! Love isn't about giving you what you want, more about helping you realise what you need.
And I can't stand the constant talk of "the one" in this show.
Yeah I rolled my eyes that she had driving gloves, a coin collection, and Renaissance faire garb. The little things fit TOO perfectly when realistically she’d have some traits like in Spoiler Alert.
Yes! Thats it. The last season ruined their grownth. Ted, Robin and Barney.
@@ladywhistledown8024 my favorite scene from that season was when he finally let Robin go, and they ruined it!
The blue French horn and the yellow umbrella were a great metaphor of how he had to stole it and force himself in robins life (and pretty much in the life of every girl he dated) while he just happened to found the yellow umbrella and things happened naturally, not him forcing his way again into her life nor being obsessing. Also most of these things could be seen as his immaturity in his youth since future ted always said stuff like “don’t force what doesn’t work” “let the past go” but the ending completely undid that sadly
Up until the episode before the last it was a good show about life journeys and not forcing things ... even if Ted was an ass who went after women he shouldn't have.
The stealing the blue french horn versus just finding the umbrella was perfect. WAS.
This four lines comment is a better, more intelligent commentary on HIMYM than the twenty minutes long video.
In a literal sense, it really bugged me at Ted and Tracy’s meet-cute that Ted insisted that it was HIS umbrella. Tracy literally purchased it and knows it.
well, doesn't it kinda make sense, that Tracy and his relationship was natural, and when she died he would seek back into the same unhealthy spiral that would be Robin? It was what he had done for most of his life.
Heg Luj Wow. HIMYM is my favourite show. I've given it hours and hours of thought but I never thought about what you said about these metaphors. This is so wonderful. Thank you!
To be honest, I feel like Ted gets villainized too much while the person who I adored throughout the most part of the show and who tremendously disappointed me seems to be just as (actually, in my eyes, much more) villain-like.
Robin.
Here's why:
- She called Ted at 2 am, asking to come to her place under some strange pretence when in reality she had a hard day that made her realize she may have wanted a relationship. Yep, it's Ted who's responsible for his relationship with Victoria. But Robin acted so innocently when she learned they didn't break up. Girl, what did you think you were doing asking a guy, who you repeatedly rejected, to come to you at night because you're in a special mood when he already has a girlfriend?
- She asked Ted literally on his wedding day to not marry because one day she may change her mind and want a family. Ted had every right to be pissed off. She literally asked him to cancel his wedding, which was already happening, and be her plan B.
- She catched feelings for Barney once again when he had fallen for Nora. But when they actually decided to reunite after cheating on their partners, she backed off. It was so unfair to both Barney and Kevin, to whom she never even said the truth.
- No surprise, Robin once again falls for Barney when she sees how he dates Patricia. Even though she rejected him right before that! And, no surprise, she decides to tell him about her feelings when he's proposing! Yep, it all was Barney's plan (he knew her too well) but she didn't know that at the time and she would pull off the same shit if Barney was really in love with someone else.
- Then she decides to crush her own wedding and ask Ted to run away with her. She didn't even care that she asks him to leave his best friend heartbroken on his wedding day, basically cut off the friendship, because she feels like Ted is ready to do anything for her at any time and she wants that. Not to mention that she wanted to break Barney's heart in front of all his friends and relatives when he did nothing wrong.
- When Ted finally moved on with Tracy, she has the audacity to tell Lily that he should have ended up with her. Girl, you rejected him multiple times, now he's happily married, what are you talking about. Luckily, she didn't act on that but in the deleted scene when she meets Ted and his daughter and they have lunch, she tells him that she misses him and he's more than a friend to her. And he says he's happy right now. Basically, she wanted to reunite, testing the grounds for how much he wants it when he's married😭
And just one more thing that kinda pissed me off. When she sleeps with Barney, Ted is mad only at Barney. When Barney sees that she and Ted are holding hands in the park, he's mad only at Ted! Even though it was her, who took his hand. Well, Barney probably didn't see it but still.
Robin is never called out for the shit she did to Ted, Barney, and Kevin and that sucks.
Excellent points my friend ... Ted feels the most human out of all in my eyes, his mistakes are made for a reason, while others' mistakes are felt more like forced drama (lilly leaving marshall before the wedding as an example)
I totally agree. Although Ted is in love with the idea of love, he and Tracy are perfect. I know Robin is funny and I love cobie, but Robin always wanted Ted and Barney when they moved on from her. She always wants them when they are not available. And the audacity to calling Ted her backup.
God,she is so indecisive. She only loves them when she realises she can't have them. I hate the ending.
Actually everyone hates Robin. She was a Vulture that went away when Ted was Happy and came along when Tracy was out of the picture as much so that his children called her "aunt Robin"
Yes but somehow her toxic ass was the best choice for Barney and Swarkles forever ~❤ 🤮🤣 like no she was toxic to both. Barney deserved to end up with either Norma or Quinn or even Patrice (I know it was fake but first time watching it I was hoping he was serious because Patrice deserved the best especially after putting up with Robin's toxic ass when she was only nice to her). Like Robin needed a lot of work and even Barney tricking her into marrying him was clearly not enough. They should have given him someone else and even given Robin someone else because Tracy was the best for Ted. Ted is way too villainized.
So make your own video about it lmao this is about how Ted is a scumbag
I would have liked for them to include a comparison of how Barney treated Robin when they were dating. Barney really loved and respected her. He helped her achieve her dreams, loved her for who she was, not his fantasies.
oh yes thank you. If I were one of Ted's friends I would've slapped him and asked him to look for a WOMAN not a FANTASY
@@steveharrington7986 But he didn't wanna settle for any less. He is kinda guy either he have it best or blue don't have it.
But he couldn't commit. That is what will doom any long term relationship
Also worth noting the difference in actor qualities here. Ted was written to be a hopeless, desperate romantic and Josh Radnor accomplished the feat like a typical worker does his job without asking too many questions (maybe he should have asked more, as this video shows). Marshall is written to be the nice married gentleman, and again Jason Segel performs his feat in a rather straightforward manner.
Barney was always written to be a cartoonish level misogynist villain (the 'devil' on Ted's shoulder to pair with Marshall's 'angel,' so to speak). Yet by the end of the show Neil Patrick Harris had delivered a character that we routinely condemned, but at the same time sympathized with and gradually even started cheering for in certain situations. A complex, deep character with an entertaining backstory whom gradually developed through time. That is what I call good quality acting.
Also people need to learn the difference between a 'good guy' and 'cordial guy.' There are a lot of the latter out there, not many of the former. Ted's character is definitely not a 'good guy' in any sense of the word, although his cordial actions can be interpreted as such on occasion.
@@thebabylonian109 I agree that Neil is the best actor, but not because of what you just said and I absolutely disagree with Ted and Marshall "just doing a good job". Every actor was the best choice in every way possible, it's just that Barney had the most complex character development of the gang. Then, of course Neil is ridiculously great but what you said just shows that the writers had different intention with his character.
The last statement, I agree there's definitely a difference between the two terms, but Ted is definitely a "good guy" that cares for others. It's actually the opposite of what you said, Ted is a good guy who on occasion becomes "the nice guy". Big difference.
Ted, and many "Nice Guys" and "Nice Girls" need to learn the difference between actions and intentions. You can have great intentions, but if your actions are actively hurting other people then you are not the nice person that you think you are, and perhaps need to reevaluate your intentions.
Agreed! It’s something I’m tryin to put it on my life
"Best laid plans of mice and men often go astray" - Robert Burns
I never thought of being nice. I'm a fucking douche and don't give a damn about it.
Absolutely! They tried to touch on this with "the Doppler/Dahmer effect" but they completely missed the point and like everything else in the show Ted used his own interpretation to fit his needs/views
Totally agree! It's a reason for the saying "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" :)
Ted "Robin is my absolute soulmate and no other woman can compare to her"
Also Ted "Robin, I hate that you're nothing like my ideal woman and you have to change for me"
Ted confesses to Robin that he loves her and can give up the idea of having kids for her. This happens in Season 7 around episode 17. What more change do you want?
No Can Dosville Baby-Doll
Robin sucked too
Dhruva Koranne like when he said that he hates her being independent but barney actually praised her for it????
@@user-bg1cr5fe4x barney is a legend
I’ve always thought of Ted as being painfully villainous! He plays heavily into the insanity, absurdity and narcissism of the “nice guy” trope.
I think a lot of people forget, that Ted is the one telling the story - and everybody is the "hero" of their own story.
he never come close to the nice guy trop
I mean the ex of Stella literally made a movie and portrayed Ted as the VILLIAN of the story. 😬
what you think he going to make himslf the villain
i mean even he said he was wrong.
The Take: *can find the good in practically every piece of media, even Riverdale*
Ted Mosby:
The Take: no
Contrarian. That's where the views are.
Because is a white straight cisgender guy(just a joke)
@@chevoool7827 I am afraid not, the whole video is screaming that your example is pretty exact about their views 😁
@@chevoool7827 I mean, that HAS been something of a trend with all their trope videos...
@@PrimeofPerfection they also sang the praises of Marshall, who is also a white cisgender male.
The three worst thing ted did on how i met your mother
1. Teach his son to turn a no into a yes
2. Cheat on Victoria with Robin
3. Told Robin to get rid of her dogs.
What's worse for Robin is that in the finale she has new dogs which Ted (who unlike Barney hasn't changed at all) will probably again ask her to get rid of.
I always feel the need to point out that Ted's actor has a dog allergy, and that's why they had to write out the dogs. They could have come up with a better way to do it though
@@juliajozsa2724 I don't think that the real world excuse matters because the way it was written into the show reflects so badly on his character.
Now I'm sad. Both for Robin's new dogs and for Josh Radnor.
1. Did the daughter live the room?
2. He recognized that he did a bad thing and he paid the prize
3. Robin told him to get rid of every object that was a present of former girlfriends. Of course I'm not saying a dog is a equal to an inanimated object, but all of you seem to forget that she started it
Ted is the unreliable narrator of the show and exaggerates Barney’s sleaziness and I suspect Marshall’s wholesomeness as well. It’s easier to tell a story and label people as archetypes instead of looking at the gray areas.
Also, I suspect Ted really calls out Barney’s flaws because he has them and hates that about himself. So his perspective of Barney is so misogynistic and promiscuous to make Ted feel better. As a narcissist, he still can’t see his flaws. In his stories to his kids, he doesn’t realize how he’s painting himself.
I just realized how much more heartbreaking it was when Robin rejected Barney (slow motion shaking head no after the work cruise) vs rejecting Ted (flatly saying no to loving him). It’s because Robin and Barney had decided TOGETHER that they would be together, while Ted imposes this decision on her. And when he said he could love her without being able to have children? Yeah right!
Marshall is also an asshole. Not as much as the others but he definitely also has his moments of misogyny.
Were there signs tjat he is an unreliable narrator? Because you cant just throw that out there and expect it to stick
ziglaus maybe unreliable is the wrong word, maybe more of a bias narrator. Just as anyone would be about telling a story about their own life especially to their kids.
Like Ziglaus said, there's no hint of Ted being an unreliable narrator, we as viewers can believe him to be unreliable, but the series doesn't offer it up.
In Zoo or False, Barney is unsatisfied with how the story ends and says he’ll tell the story better with a more exciting ending. Then suddenly the monkey does a King Kong re-enactment and Bob Saget voice says “it really happened.”
There’s the time he can’t remember why Lily and Barney are fighting so they just say “I’m still mad at you for that one thing”, which shows his control over the show.
Also, they eat “sandwiches”. There’s ways Ted is forcing the narrative.
I never thought of Ted as good or bad. He’s the Everyman. We all believe we are the good person, but do bad things along the way because we are inherently a bit selfish. It’s a part of life and growing. I also find it interesting that he says he’s looking for the “one” and often sabatoges himself. He has dichotomies within himself that we all have.
No offense - but I sincerely hope Ted's behavior is *not* what "every man" acts like. He is a borderline stalker (sometimes literally), he refuses to take no for an answer, manipulates and lies to women to seduce them, disrespects and dismisses their opinions or lifestyle in favor of what he wants, and is generally just an awful person - even colored by the fact that the show is told from his own perspective as an unreliable narrator, he is in no way an example of what a "romantic" should look like, and it is deeply troubling that we live in a world where people think this kind of behavior is not only normal, but acceptable.
@@LadyDoomsingerthere’s a borderline between stalking and romantic remember that.
@@Johenz Borderline meaning "too close for comfort" here. If you're "borderline psychotic" you're not mentally stable - if you're "borderline impoverished" you don't have a lot of money. It's like saying "kinda pregnant" or "a little dead" - If you're getting close enough that the term "borderline" applies, you are too close.
In my humble opinion "I'm only sort of stalking" is not a valid defense.
@@LadyDoomsinger those are two different things. The difference between creepy and romantic is how the other view it. In hs I dated a girl we got into a fight and when we made up I made a joke “what you wanted me to do, come to your school with flowers” and she said “yes that’s super romantic way to make up” someone else might think thats creepy. So rather something is romantic or creepy especially a big romantic gesture depends on how the other person sees it.
Another example is if I’m talking to a girl and I remember her weekend schedule, and one day I decide to give her roses everywhere she goes. She goes to the gym and one of the members give her flowers, go to Starbucks the counter give her flowers, go to the supermarket samething. She can either think it’s super creepy that I know her weekend schedule and think I’m obsessed w her or think it’s super cute that I pay attention and find it to be super romantic.
@@Johenz Yeah. That is super creepy, dude. Not "illegal creepy" maybe, but definitely creepy. Hence "borderline".
Also, there's a difference between knowing the schedule of a partner you've been with for several years and showing up at their place with flowers - and doing it with a girl you've only recently met. If you can't tell the difference, I don't know how to help you.
I see the male caracters as different archetypes of male maturity. Ted being the naive entitled who hides his fear of rejection behind his “romantic intentions” ; Barney being the confident asshole who hides the same fear behind meaningless sex ; and Marshell finally representing the confident and mature man who still fears the same thing but is aware of it and does his best to improve himself and not let it hurt those around him.
Marshall is a simp though
@@syarskandar8527 Imagine calling a happily married man with a faithful, attractive, funny wife "a simp". On a scale of Barney to Ted, just how much of an incel are you, chump?
I would happily marry a Marshal and be bestfriends with a Barney, because both were great characters who actually got character development
Wow they are a literal "Fuck (Barney), Marry (Marshall), Kill (Ted)" test
Barney’s fear isn’t rejection, it’s abandonment. He always breaks up with, ghosts, abandons, or - in one case - sells the girl before she can abandon him like his father did. His fear of abandonment and inability to commit came from that one simple act.
Here is the explanation: Ted tells the story from his own perspective.
And still he is a douche, in his own stories told by him. I couldn't imagine what happened for real 🤣🤣
yeah, like how does he know what happened there if he is not there? how did he know what they were thinking? maybe some people just never liked him haha
@@bea3guima My own dad's told me stories of his youth where he did stupid shit for stupid reasons. I imagine it's meant to be like "don't do the stupid shit I did."
@@bea3guima jaja watch Ross in friends.. prob like that
yep.
HIMYM would have been a far better series if its later seasons shown Ted maturing and having learn from his past mistakes. In particular, the last season should have been about the first year of his relation with Tracy, showing her as not being the perfect woman Ted idealizes, but as an imperfec person who he loves for real. Even the original finale where Tracy as since passed away and Ted is gonna attempt an new relation with Robin would sound a lot bettr that way, as we know Ted as changed for the better.
HIMYM was a really good story. It may have seemed crazy for a while, especially with not seeing the mother that much, but we got an answer in season 8. It’s not the story of HIMYM, it’s How I Became The Man I Am Today, Before I Met Your Mom. But HIBtMIATBIMYM is not a good title.
As far as the ending: Tracy should’ve been as you said, an imperfect woman who he truly loved and wanted the best for, and Barney and Robin should’ve stayed together, adopting a kid (I’ll get to why in a moment).
As far as Tracy dying, the writing was on the wall for a while (I didn’t see it, but, looking back, it was there), so I don’t know whether I’d change that or not. A dad recounting the story of how he met their dead mother to his kids is a heart-wrenchingly beautiful story, so I’m good with the unhappy ending. We definitely should’ve gotten more episodes with them together, maybe a season 10 with their relationship building.
As far as Barney and Robin, I see their characters this way:
- Barney had one fear hammered into him through his dad’s and Shannon’s abandonment. His fear of abandonment and inability to commit created the “awesome” Barney as he refers himself. The perfect arc was there for him. He accepted his father’s mistakes after getting to know him and had him teach him the most important lesson of his life: that the playboy lifestyle won’t last, and that he will find the perfect woman for him. Barney knew in his heart it was Robin.
- So, the logical conclusion to Barney’s story: a boy from a broken home, with a lying mother and deadbeat dad, was to create an unbroken home for himself. You could even take the symbolism of rescuing a kid from a broken home with the adoption angle.
- Next is Robin. Her arc was simple, learning to love herself. Her fear of abandonment (proven through her therapy) and her intense insecurity stem from her monster of a dad. She learned to love herself and finally find room for a loving relationship, even putting her relationships first occasionally. She should’ve stayed with Barney in the end, showing the scared, insecure little girl that happiness and everything she want’s out of life are possible.
- As far as kids for Robin. People may say (and she may say) that she didn’t want kids, but I think the episode where she learns she can’t have kids is really telling. She wants kids, but she always forced herself not to want them. Ted even said that she changed her mind about kids as she became Aunt Robin, being a pseudo mother figure to the kids who lost their mother. Her adopting kids with Barney would’ve made all the sense in the world, teaching her that she could be a better parent than her terrible dad and distant mom. I understand that some people don’t want kids, and that’s fine, but Robin definitely seemed like she wanted them.
but Ted tells the story. Tracy is probably not perfect, but he loves her, so in his story, she is.
@@gerrybaum6643 I know. What I meant was that the series should have shown that. It would have improved the character of Ted quite a lot.
Im convinced Ted only hangs out with Barney because it makes him feel better about himself. He's a textbook self absorbed "nice guy", trying so hard to frame all of Barney's extroverted social antics as negative, even when they're not.
Because if Barney is a good guy too, then that means Ted isnt getting unlucky because he's nice; he's getting unlucky because he's BORING.
Ted generally means well, but he does some TERRIBLE THINGS in pursuit of “The One,” and he rarely suffers the consequences in any meaningful way.
None of the main cast ever do.
Louis-Stéphane LOBE LOBAS I don’t know, Lily had a rough time after abandoning Marshall. Yes, he eventually took her back, but she also had a horrible, soul crushing time trying to pursue her art and Marshall even attempted to move on with another woman before they got back together. Plus, his trust issues with her lasted for years AFTER they got married. Now that I think about it, Marshall was also forced to take a job he hated because Lily had put them so deeply in debt as well...
Every bad thing that happened to Barney as an adult relates back to losing his girlfriend and deciding to spend his life pursuing revenge and essentially becoming the man who hurt him, which could mean losing his first fiancé and eventually losing Robin could be a result of his obsession.
Marshall...was actually the best of the main characters. The worst thing I remember him doing was accepting the judge position without asking Lily, but it did lead to a big fight and Marshall being terrified when Lily left the hotel (even though it was less to leave him and more so she could get that pregnancy test)
Robin. 🤔 Well, she didn’t do that much that could invite karmic retribution. She did give up her dogs for a man who she failed at having a relationship with multiple times, leaving herself more lonely and prone to going back to him (especially because she allowed his friends to become her entire social circle as time progressed). She lost the love of her life after being unable to prioritize her new marriage. That’s...about it?
Like every Nice Guy
@@Lauren.E.O About Lily, yes but no. Lily sabotaged Marshall's date and they got back together easy and maried at the end of the season. Years later she still almost ditched him again AND blamed him for not getting over the fact that she did and still got her dream job.
I would agree about Barney but what happened with his first girlfiend is his backstory so it doesn't really count. Even so, he still sold a girl for a car and tricked over 200 women to sleep with him. Yet when he want to settle down we have to look at him in a sympathetic way. He didn't lose Robin because of his obsession but because he didn't have a purpose. Hence why having a daughter to take care of was the best thing that could happen to him.
Marshall still got the job albeit later. Most of the bad stuff that happend to him were due to Lily anyway.
Robin could have taken her dogs back after her breakup so this is a non argument. The fact that Ted friends were her friends too is her own choice. And she did get back with Ted at the end of the story.
Ted got his ass kicked by a girl he ditched on his birthday (for the second time). He lost Victoria because he cheated and because he choosed Robin. He got ditched the day of his weeding and had a movie about him that portrayed him the negative way by the couple he brought back together himself. Got his appartement blown up. And was basically depressed by the end of the serie.
He messed up several times and ultimately things turned out good for him but it wasn't that much better than the cast.
Louis-Stéphane LOBE LOBAS About Lily: She tried to sabotage his date, but then gave up and seemingly accepted that she couldn’t force them to get back together. Marshall took her back and they eventually got married. While I absolutely blame Lily for the pain the entire group felt when she ditched them, it is Marshall’s fault when he brought it up YEARS later for the sake of winning a point in an argument. If he couldn’t forgive and trust her, he shouldn’t have married her, and if he DID forgive her, he shouldn’t have said it.
Barney...with Ted as the narrator, I wonder how accurate some of those details are. Like, do we really believe the same man who’d nearly die trying to get to Ted’s hospital bedside and would travel to California to beg Lily to come home would be involved in human trafficking?
Robin. I’m not saying Ted planned to cut her off from the rest of the world and make her reliant on at least being around him, but that IS kind of what happened. Lily and Robin weren’t friends from the start. Ted kept making excuses to get Robin to socialize with him and bonds eventually formed. Later on, it made it really tough for Robin to date anyone else, because Ted had constant access to her partners and kept insisting they were destined for each other, which the others did not do enough to cut back on. The dog thing was just an example of how her life outside him shrank over the years. It was her call, but he brought it up in the first place, and it was one of the prime examples of how he tried to change her life to better suit his image of their future marriage.
The entire group of friends in HIMYM are pretty flawed characters. That's even commented on pretty directly in that one episode where Robin dates a psychologist.
Yeah. It's called be human.
Fernando Terra 👍
marshall is not flawed
@@irehoutsold287 What? No!!
Marshall is incredibly clingy and dependant of Lily (who in turn is incredibly controlling and manipulative). Plus, he's kinda sexist when it comes to women's sexual freedom.
Honestly, I think the better people in the group are Barney and Robin. Especially Barney as funny as that sounds
@@juantsu2000 omg i didn’t realize that😭😭 he was my favorite character
"When you love someone, you don't stop, EVER". That's a big yikes for me dawg.
Not a bad thing, thats called unconditional love lol look it up.
@@FilmOptix That's called stalking, and you need help. It's a VERY bad thing. If the other person in a relationship tells you it's over, IT IS OVER.
No means no lol look it up.
@@FilmOptix it is if the other person has actively rejected you and DOES NOT want a relationship. Then it's just a stalker lol look it up
@@ellieb.1231 Well that depends, if he's actively stalking her, then yea he's a stalker...but If he just shows her unconditional love whenever he sees her, it's not really stalking
Ellie B. Thank you for pointing out the obvious but if you actually read into what the director was going for it was unconditional love. Look it up
It’s not a secret. Every character in how I met your mother is morally grey. Though, some more than others, that’s part of what makes the show so great. The characters are human. They have good and bad in them.
Most of them are grey
Ted's black af
yes but ted is the worst. dude is always acting like he's the perfect one
ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH @Makuu …if the characters were PC then the show would be bland and unfunny….
Marshal was a pretty good guy
Name me one thing Marshall did wrong in the show ever >:(
Can you do a video on how Barney's character development was completely destroyed by the ending?
Seconded, after all of the character development that Barney went through because of his love for Robin, it's rendered null when he simply reverts back to his womanising ways after he and Robin get divorced. 😾
I really think that Barney came a really long way. I love the scene where he held his daughter and said ‘you are the love of my life. Everything I have and everything I am is yours forever’. So I don’t think that his character development is completely destroyed. I would love if Barney ended up with Robin, but I just love how that quote actually makes sense for his character. I don’t think that a woman would fill a hole in his heart, but I think a daughter would.
yeees! they have to! at this point I feel like its a most!
@@PrimmyRosie That scene left me stone cold as its totally unearned. I get that having kids changes you but this was just so lazy. Here's a baby - OH MY GOD IM A CHANGED PERSON THIS SECOND! No build up no real context, just a quick fix. It also implies that Robin could never make Barney happy based on her not wanting/not being able to have kids. The show keeps punishing her for it over and over again.
@@trinaq but he does so as a response.
You can tell there is a hollowness and desperation that wasn't there before.
Not every bit of character development is skin deep.
Remember the episode in which everyone realises something obvious about someone else and glass shatters, this video was that for me.
Exactly!! XD
Omg yes
"Spoiler Alert" 😂
OMG, I was thinking the same.
Omg! Yes !
Barney is the glue who held the gang together. P.S Robin should have just ended up with barney
Such a cheap cop out bs ending. Ronin and barney were perfect together.
and the way the writers made them breakup/divorce its just stupid and riddiculous
Nah for me, Barney should've married Nora, tbh. I liked her (and almost everyone else) a lot more than Robin by the end. They really wrote Robin into a whiny douchebag by the time season 8 and 9 came around.
She did, I ignore the finale - it doesn’t exist, the wedding episode is the last one.
@@Mr4jane7 it was a genuine reason. Barney didnt like moving around so much but they had to other wise Robin would have to lose her job
You're cherrypicking all the bad stuff. 'Ted was never selfless'. Man loved Robin and set her straight multiple times to go fot Barney. If you leave out all the good stuff your critics become less believable
When Jeanette said How long have you been hung up on Robin?! 8 years!? And you still fetch dumb little trinkets for her
Thats when i woke up and realized that Jeanette was more emotionaly stable than Ted
When she said that line it woke me up too like, DAMN 8 fucking years?! Stuck on someone who has stated and spelled out that they're not interested for 8 fucking years? Jesus Christ dude you gotta move on. Find someone who likes you back. It just seems even ridiculous to think about being stuck on someone for that long, how painful for that person too...clearly not gonna find happiness anytime soon.
@@orangegreen3769 Robin was clearly Ted's backup.. coz u see when Tracy died who he eventually end up wid?? Robin! ,
and how many time did robin go back to TED it was her idea, stop acting like he like her and she did not like him.
@@stevemyopinion423 well she loved Barney too but..
She was just a mirror to show how deluded Ted is. But still, I wouldn’t touch or go near her, even with a ten foot pole
Ted is what we call an "untrustworthy narrator"
I never said that I'm trustworthy.
@@tedmosby616 you're a creepy guy stay away from my Robin you sick sick person
It just seems simpler to call him a bastard
@@tedmosby616 No can dosville baby doll.
This Video is what we call an untrustworthy narrator.
They twist every example here to make a point with random scenes without context
The only reason he isn’t Joe from You is because this is a comedy, lol
that's exactly what I was thinking the whole time
lol they kinda look like each other
did Ted killed Tracy ?!!
But Ted is Good then Barney atlest he's not walk out after sex
Word.
I recently started rewatching HIMYM and Ted now just strikes me as a typical Nice Guy. He builds up these ideals about women and if one doesn't quite fit into it exactly, he always blames her and doesn't really take the time to explore the idea that he might be wrong. He also has serious problems with respecting boundaries and taking no for an answer. It's actually funny that he is the narrator too because he's also supposed to be the main character of the show so he's essentially a narcissist justifying his own actions and pushing his own agenda and rarely considering how he affects others around him. It also means we can never truly trust anything that happens in the show, even the way the other characters are, especially Barney, since he could very well just be exaggerating or embellishing to make himself look better.
The only thing we can "trust" is the ending, which was not told by Ted himself, where his kids urge him to go out with Robin and he shows up with the blue horn on her doorstep (again).
And this is why that ending ruined the show; because up to that point, we could've assumed Ted was telling an unreliable story, with bad facts and exaggerations - but his ending up with Robin in the finale kind of validates everything he's said and done through the entire show - as the "happy" ending he deserved because he was "the protagonist".
What I found disturbing is some of the things ted does is the same as what Dennis from it's always sunny does. Some of the manipulation, damaging their lives to make them depend on you is what ted has done
My ex boyfriend was like Ted. He had this idea of a perfect woman and perfect, calculated life. Turns out he wanted to change every single thing about me, and control everything I did. Dumped him, and he still plays victim.
You dodged a bullet sis.
And so did I.
I remember once showing a woman "Somebody that I Used to Know" (the Walk Off the Earth cover video where they all play one giant guitar in one long take) and she freaked out about how accurate it was to her life.
@@sabrinac8453 do or don't want men to obsess over you
I had a boyfriend like that in HS, he wound up cheating on me with another woman and then blamed me for not being a better girlfriend
The worst thing about these men is that in the end, you end up being the unworthy, undeserving bi*ch and they're always the victim. When in reality they're the unaccepting toxic one who tries to change you. Sis, we've dodged bullets.
That moment when Ted made Robin give away her dogs is a really big red flag for me.
Right! HUGE!
@Happy Dude Dogs are not "things". They are living beings who form deep emotional bonds with their humans.
I'm allergic to dogs. "No Can Dosville Baby-Doll"
Six Gargoyles its not like Ted was asking her to kill them she probably was gonna bring the dogs to a shelter or give them to a friend
Esra ONGUN She loves her dogs and they love her. It’s one step below asking her to give up the kids she had with an ex.
Tracy (the mother) is the female incarnation of Marshall.Such caring and loving wife.
Notice how long it took Ted to actually marry Tracy--terrible way to treat such a lovely lady.
I just finished rewatching. Tracy is Ted, Marshall, and Lily all rolled in one!
@@marykaycarroll1215 Did you like that show?Especially the ending
@@BruceWayne003 Yes, I love it. I just finished rewatching! And I do like the ending. If the story was truly about the mom, it wouldn't have revolved around Robin. I always thought Robin loved Ted but didn't want to take his dreams away from him nor did she want to give up her dreams. In reference to this video, I think Ted did a lot of bad things but I don't think he was "bad" he was flawed, he was human, and he was selfish. No one is free from mistakes.
people forget whey ted and robin broke up she did not want kids and wanted to see the world.
the end she like 50s, so yea he has his kid she seen the world, so it make sence. and remember this was like 7 year after they mom died.
Ted and Robin are a key example of an anxious-avoidant relationship.
It's scary how many people I know that are in relationships like that
I gotta say, the moment I got out of the “Ted” mentality my romantic life got way happier. I always wanted to be a good boyfriend to the dream person I like, but I realised I can be a good boyfriend to anyone that loves me back, and that is infinitely better.
But that would mean that ANY girl had a chance with you. I think it's good to have standards.
@@XimenaConstanza Word to that, bro. Lowering your standards is like lowering your self worth. I waited for Robin and I got her in the end. Listen to the universe and search for signs.
Hashtag Nice Guys.
And thats also where all the Dislikes come from.
I feel like one could split the difference between these two extremes and end up in a good relationship.
That's still Ted's mentality
Marshall is man goals. Caring, sweet, but still has some fire.
sounds more like sheep goals to me
And heavily judgemental of women with sexual freedom.
Barney's the dude.
@Alex Cyriac Actually, you can't be too sure of that, since everyone of the characters is as told by Ted, who's trying to make himself look better.
Barney is the face of many predator anecdotes? Yes. But he's also the guy who's always trying to do the right thing.
There is a 40% chance Ted has just painted him as bad as he possibly could.
Wait a minute..
TED IS THE MALE VERSION OF CARRIED BRADSHAW!..
and Robin is Mr. big
YESSSSSSSSSS. ITS NEVER BEEN SO CLEAR. CARRIE IS THE WORST.
**MIND BLOWN!!!**
Carrie didn't want to have kids and she also was scared of getting married so I don't think so
@@dschmidt1162 but wasn't mr. Big a big dik as well using and toying with Carrie and her emotions? I can see the same with what robin did to ted.
@@porcupinesauce3872 I was going to say the same! Mr Big is a big ass, Robin is not.
This is such an underrated perspective. I didn't start realizing this until I rewatched the whole series recently.
Good lord, having a date say he’s falling in love with you on the first date who then arranges three days of parties only to get you to attend, that alone would scare me off a person forever
Red fucking flags right there! Dude even the showing up at her house with the string quartet she even says "sweet in theory but isn't it also kind of crazy" like... Robin is clearly turned off by that
"Love" and "Falling in love" are words that can have various meanings to different people depending on their circumstances, upbringing and vocabulary.
What really matters is what they actually mean - is it "you're cute fun and attractive, and thinking of spending time with you makes me happy\giddy"; "Let's get married right now"; or something else?
She keep calling him saying sorry. I wish it was tomorrow
If it wasn’t a show and a real story instead, it would be extremely creepy and weird. I’d be afraid too, Robin should have stayed away tbh
I still can't get over the fact that even his kids reacted like "WHAT?!" when he told them that he told Robin he loves her on the first date like, Who does that?
haha... so freakin normal between teenagers i gues
and the way we interact ..some ppl meet the first time but know each other over the internet or what ever reason xD
do think some one must be or doing what ppl think is normal .. is abnormal
I still can't get over the fact that even his kids reacted like "WHAT?!" when he told them that he told Robin he loves her on the first date like, Who does that?
A society overfilled to the brim with men who really believe the crap they've seen in Disney movies and flicks like The Girl Next Door
I’ve known guys like that. CREEPY.
CREEPY WEIRDOS
my 2021 self: actually, I was freaked out when a guy told me "I love you" after a month knowing each other, now imagine after a day
This makes the whole premise of the show so much worse. He's normalising his behaviour to his kids. His son will learn this as appropriate behaviour towards women and his daughter might expect men to treat her the way her father treated women. It's really quite bad.
Wow, that's quite an enlightening point you've raised! That thought is pretty terrifying, and I hope that they don't repeat the exact same process with their own children! 😨
Sadly it’s what happens in real life (ironically this is legit a line that the writers used to justify the shitty ending lol).
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depends on how easily manipulated you are, my dad has done some idiotic things and has tried to justify them at times but i call him on his shit, i love the man but everyone has faults and you can't be blind and have to use your own brain
I did not even think of this! Hopefully, their eye rolling makes them see his flaws? Maybe if they were younger kids it would have more impact.
17:26 - While it's true, that Barney often shows deep acts of kindness, I would disagree that Ted never does that... You named a few negative examples, but there are indeed MANY positive examples aswell (The acceptance of Robins and Barney's relationship, the fact that Ted is a strong emotional support for Robin especially in the later seasons, his attempts to hold the group together) - I think it is a massive exaggeration that Ted never does kind and selfless things.
He is not perfect, but quite often he is indeed a good guy
Exactly my thoughts 💯
Are we going to define acceptance by a ludicrous, maniacal, vindictive pursuit of an anklet as a final push to sabotage his best friend’s wedding
@@iyin1050 what makes you think he wanted to sabotage her wedding ?? He just wanted to make Robin happy !!!
He quite literally didn't do anything like that @@iyin1050
Ted biggest flaw was the fact that he wanted "the one" and that one had to fit in perfectly in his idea of happy life. It's insane to think that somebody it's going to check every box in a list; you can't mold a person just to please you, want *they* want matters.
Two things I don't agree though: Stella sucks and she was the villain in that story. Lilly did Marshall wrong and Ted presented very valid points in why he was mad at her, so he never had to apologize.
Stella did the right thing; she kept her family together. And Lily had every right to self-exploration that everyone must go through in life to determine who they really are.
I dont think Lily did Marshall wrong. She wanted to do something for herself and her carrier, that is important. She would have never knew what she wants in life if she didnt go. Then that problem would have come out later and would be even bigger. Sometimes people have to break up even though theyre stil in love.
Umm... Isn't that what we all want?
@@minaworthing4364 she can do that obviously, most of us wants to be better at our professions, but the way she did it was wrong
@@minaworthing4364 she could have gone to him as soon as she heard about the internship and said "look i fell unhappy that my career didn't go the way i wanted it to. I heard about an internship in San Francisco and i want to apply because i feel like i've never had the chance to explore who i am outside of this relationship and i've always wanted to live abroad and be a painter. I love you but i really feel that before we get married, i have to try my chances at this art program"
Marshall is not an unreasonable guy. He isn't possessive or controlling and he loved Lily. He would have understood and let her go explore who she is. She is not wrong for wanting this experience but she is wrong in the way she went about it. She went behing his back to get the internship than broke his heart and when she came back tried to pretend like nothing happened. The truth is, like he pointed out in season 9, Marshall WAS her conselation prize (this is definetely spelled wrong but you get the point). She only came back to him because the program sucked and she didn't find success.
One of the most telling episodes was when Ted went after Robins co-worker, who acted like a child, and when Robin was rightfully baffled by the hold this girl had on men- Ted blamed and insulted Robin by telling her that she never made him feel wanted because she was too independent. For all of his faults, Barney’s response was that he loved the independent side of Robin. Ted is a baby that’s scared of strong women.
Some people like to feel needed. Marshall and Lilly were a super dependent couple (sometimes to a fault, like the road trip to Chicago with Lilly), but they still had a very healthy relationship. I do agree that Barney really was able to recognize and appreciate her independence. But I don't think this made Ted less of a character, it's just another difference between Ted and Robin as people.
Robin is far from a "strong' women" though.
Strength is doing something despite knowing the consequences and enduring the hardships that come with it.
Robin actively does the opposite, she pursues a career and expects the world to fall in place for her other idealisms.
It's almost as if ignoring other aspects of one's life then crying about why those aspects don't work out is anything but a strong person.
BOATS BOATS BOATS!!
THANK YOU SM FOR THIS COMMENT
Ted wanted to feel needed, and that doesn't make him a bad person at all. Nor does it mean he is "afraid" of a strong woman." People want different things, and that's okay
I'm still mad about the ending...
Yep, 6 years later, and the ending still enrages me to this very day, and likely will for many years to come! 😠
GAGAGAGAGAGAGA I just saw something very unpretty! I looked in the mirror! GAGAGAGAGAGAGA!! But I am the cool TH-camr with two hazardously hot girlfriends so IT is all good! Thanks for you attention dear susie
@@trinaq I still love to watch HIMYM, even the last season (as i kinda like it). I just NEVER watch the last episode.
Ted was confused and that just hurt so many people he got himself involved with.
Marshall, Lily and Barney knew who they were and stuck with it.
Robin, for the most part, knew who she was, but got screwed over by a few people along the way because she had her moments of weaknesses.
I mean Robin Just change ,there Is no "corruption" by anyone ,She Just change along the story , because She Is a human ,i mean at the start of the series She was so afraid to be in a long relationship with someone ,and at the end of the story we can see her getting married with Barney
Burh that called character development, People change throughout their life.
I think Ted is a love addict, addicted to the high of pursuing romantic interests and the initial excitement of new love, but once he gets the object of his desire it's not long before he doesn't want him anymore. The only reason he maintains his feelings for Robin are sustained over years is because she remains elusive (and takes intermittent breaks from his obsession over her to be obsessed with someone else). His fixations on women have nothing to do with the real person, he's just transposing his obsessive ideation about One True Love onto them successively. No one is a real person with their own needs to him and what he feels isn't "love". His behavior qualifies as a disorder because it negatively impacts his life on a regular basis, causing him to jeopardize his career and friendships and even puts him at risk for jail time because some of the things he does in the name of "love" are illegal. I don't think Ted ever actually could get married and sustain a committed relationship without therapy because he loses interest in relationships as soon as the person doesn't live up to his image of them or the heightened excitement of new love settles down. I could see him getting married and divorced multiple times in his life and always thinks it's because he just can't find "the one" and not because he has poor relationship skills.
He's about the pursuit he don't recruit
good point
except in the end, he does last with Tracy... even when they had to postpone a marriage, and give up their ideas of a Perfect Big Wedding, they lived happily. we can't say he never could have a healthy relationship when the entire show was how he finally could, in the end.
They did a real disservice to Barney when they broke him and Robin up to force her and Ted together.
Yup
Barney and robin were terrible together. Robin legit was a substitute for Barney’s mother
@@madysonroberts1608 lol no that was nora there was a whole episode dedicated to that and concludes w how it’s actually not smthin he’s bothered by that much.
Hashtag Nice Guys.
And thats also where all the Dislikes come from.
I thought they were cute. They were the chaotic couple that were always on the same wavelength.
Ted and Tracy were like the shoulders for them who always helped them out one way or another.
Marshall and Lily were like the parents 😂
It's extremely telling that the "Nice Guy" trope is steadily dying down, and more of Ted and Ross' actions look extremely creepy, clingy and invasive through contemporary lenses. 😁
I even like Ross better than Ted, in Friends at least the characters are aware that Ross's behavior is not healthy and we also get a clear explanation (not excuse) for it, he used to be carefree and trustful until Calor cheated on him(yes, she cheated on him! People always seem to forget that) and his father imposed a very toxic masculinity on him even though Ross was cuddled by him and his mother(specially his mother), which also spoiled him. I still condemned the writers for not closing his redemption arc(if he ever had any, to me it starts when he accepts Rachel and Joey as a a couple) by letting Rachel pursue her dream job in Paris. Ted just plain sucks! 🤣
Make you think: Barney is way better person than Ted.
About time tbh, so many young men in real life have that similar whiny "I'm a nice person and I know I would be the perfect bf, silly women just don't know what's best for them and go after the wrong men" mindset. They don't feel whole and they think a partner will make them whole, spoiler alert: they will not. If you aren't a whole person before you get into a relationship the relationship won't change that, it will only magnify it. There are some cases in which you work through your issues with your partner's help and get to salvage the relationship, but that would imply you have the self-awareness to see the problem and you are willing to put in the effort to change it. Sadly that happens rarely.
@Manophere. com I'm sorry, I'm not sure what you asking me. I'm not even sure *if* you're asking at all.
I never get why Ross is made out to be such a bad guy. He is obsessive and petty with rachel, but she does similarly bad things back towards him. Together, they are a toxic couple. Outside of rachel he actually is a pretty measured person. He walks his ex down the isle at her wedding. How many people would ever do that, especially if she cheated on you? He also trys to be cool with joey and rachel, even though it makes him breakdown. Id say ross is just the classic shy nerd not a "nice guy". He isnt perfect but he's nowhere near as bad as ted
Ted helped stela, despite the fact that he owed her nothing
While he did stupid mistakes, robin was what ted wanted with every other guy she dated (she chose don or w/e his name is over a dream job, she married to barney, she got upset when she found out she can't have kids,etc )
Dude is clearly the most human out of the whole show with both the good and the bad ... A villain is a stretch
Robin should have end up with Barney.. I'll die on this hill
@@scorpionbraid true. In fact I am joining them on that hill immediately
What? Ted maybe terrible but Barney is Worst than anyone. He literally says that Robin shoud live to serve him. How she deserves that?
@@joaolucassousa6440 I totally get why you say that, Barney was a total monster, and the reason I say 'was' is because of the tremendous amount of character development he had- from saying he'd never get married and treating women like shit to throwing his fiancé the rehearsal dinner of her dreams, you'd never believe they're the same people. I'm not saying Barney was flawless towards the later episodes, but you could really tell he was in love with Robin to the point he was ready to move out of his apartment to start a new life with her someplace else (unlike Ted who has a new 'the one' every day) I'm not trying to justify the bad things he did but yeah- I'd die on the hill too
But of course you have your own opinions and views, I not trying to force this on you lol
Me to
@@joaolucassousa6440 Barney does not mean that seriously lol, it is for comedic effect. If anything, it is the opposite. Ted is the one who wanted Robin to feel "needed" by him, whereas Barney likes that Robin is independent and can take care of herself.
I just realized the PERFECT ending for HIMYM. Everyone is upset the mom died and that was the twist. I still think there should have been a twist.
At the very end, the kids should have said. "I don't understand dad, if you loved mom so much, why did you two get divorced."
Then Ted should have looked at them and said. "Weren't you listening to the story? I was a complete mess back then. I had no idea what love was or how to truly be in love. Sure when I met your mom, I thought she was the one, just like all the others but just like all the others, I let a few minor inconsequential flaws get in the way of what should have been a great marriage. I was a fool. That's why I told you this story."
And then maybe the kids encouraging him to get back with the mom now that he's matured... or not... something like that.
Would have looooved that!
From now on this in the ending it will have in my head
He'd have to be even a far bigger jerk than this video states in order to tell his KIDS that the love of his life was his ex-wife. That's just plain creepy.
calmbbaer if he married her, then she was the love of his life ?
Actually, that is an awesome idea! I think I like that better than if the mom was just alive at the end.
Can u do the breakdown of the hopeless romantic “lara jean,bridget jones,27 dresses,snow white,ted,anna,gisele from enchanted “
Add me on the list lol
Thisss, Muriels Wedding was a wonderful deconstruction of the trope
I think you can be a hopeless romantic without being toxic. Lara Jean is a great character.
I dont think Giselle counts in that category. She's a LITERAL Disney princess so she's completely justified in her extra romantic beliefs.
@@leehking5212 why would being a Disney princess make her above analysis?
The moral of the story based on the ending if you stalk, berate and wear down a woman who doesn't want you and has made it clear she doesn't want you, she will magically then want you. It's unrealistic, creepy and borderline stupid.
I think the show YOU, is a comentary to these series and tropes. Taking it this behaviour seriously
YEES
Yes!
Makes sense. Joe seriously believes he's the good guy, and all's well cause he does it for love! And we as an audience want to root for him for this reason, smh
Yeah I was going to comment the same thing.
Urie Trench rooting is a strong word, maybe just for the sake of the story 🤷🏻♀️
He took 9 years to tell one story that ended with him trying to manipulate his kids into accepting his decision to move on from his deceased wife of course he's the villian
Manipulating his kids to get over his deceased wife? Hasn't she been dead for years? It is considerate of him to even ask. Widows are allowed to move on you know..
@Manophere. com What?
@@GirlDo3
Fair points:
- Yes, widows are allowed to move on, and Ted did wait the appropriate time for moving on.
- Yes, Ted was considerate to even ask his kids.
(Even through this would impact his kids, since they were already teenagers by then, and no longer required as close of parental care, including motherly care, the decision of whoever Ted was with would therefore not be too impactful for them).
However, one could argue that they way he told the story of meeting their mother was still somewhat manipulative.
Considering how Tracy was their real mother and he didn't even hardly mention anything about her until towards the final years, and she does not even show up regularly until the final year, and how she does not even play an active role until close to the end where she is soon killed off anyway, all while Robin plays a much more dominant and present role throughout the entirety of the story, it does seem like Ted was telling the story in such a way as to get the kids to sympathize his romantic obsession with Robin so he could justify his continued pursuit of her.
In other words, the way he told the story, it almost seems like he considered Robin to be the mother that he met rather than Tracy, their actual mother!
@@johnwalker1058 I get your points, but I think that it wasn't just him at fault. I think Robin, for her own sake should've moved on long ago, but the kids said they had noticed him and aunt Robin were into each other so I guess Robin wanted to be with him too. And I think the ending was maybe refering their pact of being together if they were single by 40.
I think even tho the writers have failed to really demonstrate it, their best relationship was with each other and If Ted didn't want children they would've stayed together. As if Stacy only served the purpouse to breed his children, raise them and pass away when conveniant for Ted and Robins relationship.
Is Ted not allowed to be happy YEARS after his wife's death? Like you can clearly see how broken he was about her death in a couple of scenes, wanting more time with her. But in the real world, most people whose spouses have passed on tend to start dating again. How is he a villain?
Hey, can you guys eventually talk about crazy ex girlfriend?
Rebecca is like Ted, I feel, but with the very critical difference that she comes to realize that she is the villain in her own story, and that life isn't scripted and that finding the one shouldn't be her main goal in life in order to be happy and fulfilled.
Anyway. To anyone reading this comment, please watch crazy ex girlfriend
I think a series of Takes on that show would be great, especially for Valencia. I grew up near West Covina and she started off pretty spot on to the area. And somehow her development was both unexpected yet believable.
Oh yes, that's true.
The worrying thing is that I can see myself in both Ted and Rebecca... And even slightly in Carrie (from Sex and the City). I might have some rethinking to do.
@@samstarba4569 Recognizing that is good. You're on the right track at least.
@@Aster_Risk Yeah, I've learned to be much less idealistic in the past few years. :) Or, well, I have started to channel my most fantastical ideas into art. I think that is a healthy way to deal with them.
The ending of CXG was actually one of the things that inspired me to ditch my unrealistic relationship goals and put more effort and energy on my own "solo projects". I know that the creators of the show don't really want to view the series as a therapy program but it did give a lot of food of thought, at least.
crazy ex girlfriend is such a great show ^^
This is such a one-sided summary, where specific examples are handpicked to support the narrative. Every person has good and bad sides, so did Ted. He was not realistic and perfect, but calling him a villain is just exaggeration.
If Ted's character were a woman everyone would be calling her crazy
As if to prove your point, they add a crazy woman who's main job is to make Ted looks less crazy.
I thought they said he was suppose to represent women in romantic comedies, what do you think would have made him more of a romantic comedy female lead?
@@Peecamarke less pick-up plays.
There is a show like that.
Crazy Ex-Girlfriend.
@@Norimarisu 😅👍 except Crazy Ex Girlfriend is actually a good show. Subverting tropes instead of reinforcing old ass stalker Romance tropes.
I want a cage match between Ted and Ross from Friends. They'd probably try to out-whine eachother
Ross would win. At least Ted accepts when a relationship has ended
They'd probably marry each other lmao
The only difference between these two characters is their love interests. Robin is way better than Rachel as a person as far as I feel. Both of them went through tremendous character growth. But Rachel sabotaged every relationship of Ross. Robin I guess never did that to Ted. I love all of these people as actors and I definitely love friends more than himym, but this is my assessment on the love lives of Ted and Ross
i never understood the double standard ross and ted complain about anything and they call in whineing, BUT eveeryone else on the show does it it not big deal.
lily bitch all the time so does robin, BUT only ted get blame for it.
@@stevemyopinion423 because we actually don't see them bitching about it that much
You think he's a duck. Then you realise he's a rabbit.
Hey, Rabbits are better than ducks.
Ted's a duck!
Rabbits are better than ducks
@@ives6622 exactly
I know so many disgusting facts about ducks and none about rabbits. Rabbits are better.
Male ducks been known to rape
The irony of saying Ted only lives in his own delusion when this video only lives in the one sided anti Ted delusion
"Kids, let me tell you the story of how for about a decade I flirted with the fine line between 'sweet and endearing and persistent' and 'delusional and creepy and tone-deaf AF'."
Atleast Barney was honest about who he was, Ted was always trying to convince everyone that he's this great person.
Word for word that is how I have always described it.
And that makes Barney OK..?? So u'd prefer sociopath over a harmless pretentious whimp? Ted was super bad but was nothing compared to Barney.. He was a straight up criminal..
And Marshall's actually the great person ❤️❤️❤️ I need a man like Marshall
@@ChatPOPPAT said from Teds perspective
@@ataldanb4815 still barney is bad and manipulative even if it is from ted's perspective
Jesus Christ, I never liked his character, but rewatching his past relationships has made me say: Ted is a jerk!
And they didn't even mention how he goes back to exes just cause he feels sad and needs a distraction.
Nory-Chan And says YOU’RE NOT THE ONE straight to their faces!! Yes ted I understand these successful, beautiful, kind women are not upto your unrealistic standards, but man there’s an appropriate way to break up with people. Like telling them how much they have meant to you and how much you enjoyed time together before breaking up with them.
When he broke up with his ex on her birthday and told her that it’s like she didn’t win the lottery. 😒🙄 I can’t.
I think the show realized this on and off during its run that Ted was the bad guy. The reason he and Tracy were a match wasn't because she was perfect for Ted (she was way too good for him. Although, we can never know because Ted is an unreliable narrator) but because he let go of that idealistic ideas that screw the women he dated over (he says so in the episode about Tracy and his first date that four years ago he'd make a speech that scare her off but now he wouldn't) by the time he met her. There's numerous examples of this: how he said she wouldn't have liked him back in Saint Patrick's Day, how Stella made him less of an idealistic which was why she was an important part of the story. Ted's character development was to become LESS of the main character who gets what he wants just cause. Sure, he could still act like a jerk in later seasons and his idealism was what made him more and more unhappy in the late years, but I still think that was how he was meant to develop.
Which is WHY the ending sucks so bad because it reverses all that relative development and has Ted screw up Robin's life again.
Getting together when they’re 50 and already achieved most of their “check-list” goals in life is not the same thing as them getting together in their 20s/30s, so the ending did not “screw over” either of them
Woah dude I like that line. "Ted's character development was to become less of the main character." Never even thought of it like that. You should be a philosiphizer lol
I love the conclusion: If you are looking for a real nice guy, look at your uncle Marshall
I fell in love with Marshall
Marshall was a genuinely great guy. He had issues, but they were few, and he loved and respected his friends so much. More people like that would make the world a happier place.
The real villains were the writers. how could they end such a great show the way they did. Pure. Evil.
Loved the ending
@Gaia Golashi no the ending was perfectly executed. yeah it could have been longer but its okay.
if you watch the show a few times, it all makes sense
@@yeahyeahyea7593 I respect your opinion, but I feel like the audience and the show had genuinely moved on from Ted and Robin. And it showed how Robin and Barney could be together too. Like, in the first episode, Ted's opinions of true love was kind of immature. Its like a list of hobbies and personality traits he wanted her to have. Idk if you've watched 500 days of summer, but there's a dialogue," Just because some cute girl likes the same bizzaro crap you do, that doesnt make her your soulmate." Ted and Robin, in my opinion, are not compatible as they are not only different people but also wanted different things from life and relationships.
@@yeahyeahyea7593 same 🙃
@@yeahyeahyea7593 yeah that makes sense
the main problem is with how he’s framed. if he started out this way and then grew over the course of the show that would actually be a well-written character arc, but although he does have a few moments of self-awareness, he just gets consistently framed as the good guy with no real progress. its really a missed opportunity
Barney sees a hot girl in a bar. He lies to them to try to get laid. If theyre not interested or not gullible enough he moves on to the next girl
Ted sees a hot girl in a bar. Convinced his brain that shes the one and she loves him back she just doesn't know it. She tells him shes married, shes got a family, she's not interested, she's scared about him coming on strongly. Ted sees this as just a test to prove he's the one they should be with and will go to any level to do what it takes
I never realized how much like Joe in "You" he is. If you were to put their inner monologues or their feelings on love side by side, they basically say the same thing.
Goddd... no.
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Man, if it is true that comparing the two can be exaggerated, Ted is not at all a "romantic" type or a "romantic fool".
If guys learn to be "romantic" from him, then they better not be romantic ... or whatever you think is romantic. A person who does not respect your limits, your personal space, your desires or your interests then is nothing more than an egocentric, selfish and controlling stalker.
@@laplitkhiddlestoner4ever834 Yes, Ted Mosby is definitely a stalker. Let's do a quick recap of his failings. He asked Robin out multiple times. Granted, she even had feelings for him. She cried when she realized he was taken. Lily herself saw the confusion in Robin. He introduced her to his group of friends and they all became super close. When they finally did start dating, they seemed really good together, with the lone exception that Ted wanted long-term commitment and Robin had no idea what she wanted. Interestingly, she chose a life of long-term commitment with Barney, a person who can't possibly give her that. Ted, by the way, supported her ultimate when she chose Barney. Ted's mistake was ever wasting time on a lady too emotionally confused to know what she wanted and to actually appreciate him. At worst, you can say he was a little pushy. That's far from being an egocentric, selfish stalker (let alone, a serial killer).
Yes, but Joe died and I got Robin and the mother in the end. Winning!
That's very interesting. I do have to agree with you
He is the villain because he forces his children to listen to his pointless stories not related to meeting their late mother.
It’s even worse since he tells his kids about the numerous women he slept with before meeting their now deceased mother.
You could argue that Ted's a villain because as his stories go on, the overall narrative shifts from being a story about how he met their true mother to how he just wants to date Robin after the mother died, while telling about all the fun times and memories they shared so the kids would be more sympathetic to this motive.
It's not necessarily that he never loved Tracy, but only that he loved Tracy as much as he could possibly love any woman other than Robin. Once he hyper-fixated on Robin as "The One," he never let go of that idea, and pursued Robin relentlessly, tried to use other women to get over Robin, but couldn't, and even after spending a good portion of his life with a really great woman who became the mother of his children, still ran back to Robin not long after she died.
@NIVEA yes, but that makes it a bad concept, at least once they get past the first season.
When they realized that they were going to have more than a couple of seasons, they filmed all the scenes with he kids ahead of time. This forced them into Ted ending up with Robin, even though the characters developed into people who weren't remotely right for each other.
They proposed "How I Met Your Dad," from Tracy's point of view, which would have been fun except it couldn't be a light romantic comedy once we knew she'd die.
Nah he's telling them the story during the quarantine
@@johnwalker1058 no, if that's the case the ending wouldn't had happen ted gave up on robin and has happy with his wife and didn't go back even tho robin threw herself at him
Ted did not reappear back in Stella's life and bad mouth her. He happened to run into Stella and Tony, and Tony thought Ted might want Stella back, which is why Ted explained that he doesn't want Stella back, not after he got left at the altar. That is not badmouthing. Ted did not fight his way back in Stella's life to ruin her life. All I'm saying is that some of the points you made were kinda unfair. Even though you had some good points, I must say that multiple of the few second clips of evidence you had were pretty much taken out of context.
I agree with most of the points they made, but Stellas & Tonys behavior were absolutely bad. Also I don't blame not remembering blah blahs name after 22 years after one date or so. :D But other than that Ted was not really a great guy ... baggage.
@@fulsgarden6915 True, the baggage thing was questionable :D Also, the fact that he eventually does remember Blah blah's name (Carol), just gave a conclusion to a running joke, and I feel like some of the questionable things the characters have done were indeed jokes because the whole show is a comedy. (Those being the long ass party, for example)
Exactly
He always has good intentions and of course he makes mistakes. Forgetting someone's name doesn't make him a jerk.
You’re right, a lot of these are taken out of context. It’s like people can’t accept flawed characters, they have to be either good or bad 🙄
I totally disagree. Apart from maybe Marshall all others have done very immoral things throughout the series. There is no villain. The characters are realisitc and therefore have flaws. Furthermore i feel a lot of the "negative traits" of Ted aren't even negative traits. It is completely normal to think someone is the love of your life and soon after a break up realise you were wrong.
So true , these ppl will literally talk on any dumbshit for a video
It’s often like this, not only on television and books but also in real life. The “nice guy” trope is often used by creepy guys to convince others and themselves that they are good people. That’s why quiet “nice guys” scare me so much more than people who are normal or even a bit mean
anyone who says they are a nice guy BEWARE.
so you have a bias to a type of people. That's seems healthy.
There was a "nice guy" at my job that wanted to date me, but I immediately told him I just wanted to be friends. Everything seemed ok until... he bought me gifts, rushed to pay for my lunch and got mad when I declined, got my address and sent flowers to my house on several occasions, and then sent me hate-mail when I told him our "friendship" was not going to work out. It scares me that people like him will think that they're just being sincere, "good" men, when they're really just emotionally volatile, manipulative, and vindictive people.
paulgotik I just have bad experience with creepy guys hiding behind the nice guy mast
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Barney carried the show... so did everyone else just not as much
Barney is best boi
I like Marshall :)
Brad Diaz me too finally a Marshall fan
Yesss! I always thought Barney made that show! Don’t think I would’ve watched it without him..
@@majedtobasi7551 hell ya
Ted's great obstacles were:
-He would move too fast in his relationships.
-His concept of "The One" was too idealistic.
*To overcome his obstacles, he needs:
-Timing (To pace himself slowly)
-To accept people for who they really are
The firs one IS even mentioned in the show. It's basically the premise as to why It starts so soon. The show tells the story of how he became the person Who met her wife. There's an episode when he literally tells us that if he had met Tracy a few years back he would've scared the shit out of her, because he moved too fast in relationships.
move too fast - yeah, but I got that b*tch Robin anyways...
The One...too idealistic - and yet I found her (the mother or Robin - you decide)
Timing - is merely subjective
Accepting people for who they are - do you do that, eh? How is that even possible?
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