i mean...you CAN still do it. hammer just got buffed. azmo still plants his face in buildings just as well as in beta, if not better. ziggy zag kills the minions with Qs and the rest can be thrown on buildings. valla can kill a tower in 2-3 minion waves if left alone from lv1. the specialist class lost it's meaning since the ammo on buildings was removed in my humble opinion.
They apparently regretted this addition early on, to the point where specialist users were even sorta punished for it in the casual scene. At one point, hero AI would prioritize laning specialists over everything else, including objectives. Never had that problem when I switched to warriors though.
I remember that heroes like Tracer and Valla allowed the double healer meta to actually be a thing. Consistent high damage, low durability heroes could wipe a team if they could be kept alive, and without them the double healer meta wouldn't have had enough damage to actually work.
I've never realized that the attacks those angels (objective) are shooting at each other to absolutely nothing. Not even 1 damage. The entire time the enemy team was dead the obj kept his 466 health until, for whatever reason, it went down to 465 the second you won the obj. Really weird.
So Pally made the absolute worst choices with Valla here, showcasing what you do not do more than what to do with her. Only take the face build when the enemy has a frontlines that will take your hits and when they do not have heroes that have point and click single target engages or when you have a pocket healer like morales. Otherwise you will not get stacks, you will die and lose your attack speed and will only keep dying. If you take face build, do not take the strafe. Face build is about autoattacking and you are not autoattacking with strafe. Also in general, if the enemy has point and click stuns, like butcher or ilidan ult or diablo smash, do not take strafe. If the enemy has point and click stuns, or heroes with blinds or evasion, autoattack builds will suffer. So the best bet is to take the hungering arrows, like this game. And if the enemy only has burst damage range mages, you take the multishot build, because that is the only way you can get damage done from far enough range. To play Valla vs a team that can kill you if they want to focus you is like managing aggro on MMO's. At first they will want to kill you at sight, because you are the easiest target, so you should run and dodge as much as possible and this takes precedent over doing damage. Run and stay with the team. If the enemy stops throwing themselves at you, only to have your team kill them, then you can be more forward and deal damage, but not before. And if you deal enough damage that they feel like your are the main threat, you have to go back to running and hugging your team. This is the only way to survive a quickplay.
Hey guys, just a heads up, you can still attack tier 2 buildings without them attacking you back at lvl 20. You just need to micro to go in and out before it fires at you, but it is possible since you have the same range.
couple of notes: death dealer is a very effective way to clear camps quicker at zero additional mana cost. its even better at clearing waves if you have some pretty high/accurate APM rain of vengeance is fantastic if used defensively... pretty much your only option if you want to survive being dived. the attack speed increase with the level 20, also pretty cool
Her gunslinger skin is one of my top favorites in the game Also if you play her with her own announcer, there's some of the funniest comments like "What demonic magic is at play ? That demon hunter... is me !"
Personally, my favorite is Muradin announcer, if you're also plaing him: "Ooow, one hell of a view from up here! Hey, where am I? And how am I down there too???" :D
This would have been a good opportunity to explain gambit quests and the risk/reward involved in taking them. (For example, all of his attack speed bonuses were gone mid-game, while he still had the damage bonus building from working on the quest).
@@VileImpin Actually, it’s still not better than simply auto attacking the squishiest target in his mosh. Strafe alone won’t kill anyone at a decent size health alone and they’ll all just walk out and kill you. Honestly, even just dropping two rain of vengeances would be higher burst than strafe. I’ve come around to strafe a little bit sometimes when I’m taking the hungering arrow build and I want to add on a bit more dps with whoever I hit from a distance but rain or vengeance still just gives so much more value.
Valla can still solo any building or even boss with the passive of the 20 Storm of Vengeance. At 10 stacks of hatred she gets a whopping bonus 50% attack speed allowing her to out heal the damage done.
You did amazing clawing back that game, pally! Your resilience and positivity in otherwise frustrating games is a gift to the community! I love your work.
donno duuuude, if you would've taken the other ult, you could've survived so much more. except THE butcher charge and illidan hunt, you could stun the other's charging on you. and the stuns in-between the walls around the arena to peel for yourself and team mates
Valla without someone to peel for her against a very dive heavy comp...generally gonna have a real bad time. Luckily there were other soft squishy types that the enemy could go for besides you so it helped split that unpleasantness off you. A malfurion would of been a god sent against that comp, but that's how Solo Q goes ya rarely get what you need on your side. -laughs-
67-12-1 now following your builds. This was a fun match. I was on a teal with Kaelthas, Tassadar, Leoric, and Lili. We had so much damage and the team worked really well together responding to each other's pings. I usually prefer the other ultimate to keep myself a bit safer but learning when to time strafe from the video helped a lot
🎉Pally, some congratulations are in order: you are one of the most prolific content creators I've heard of. Make sure you take care of yourself as well.
Been watching you for years you’re great but holy shit your understanding of Valla is lacking so much. Listen anybody that reads this… DO NOT pick strafe, much less into a full dive comp like this. Pally “cant do anything” because he chose the wrong talents. Valla crushes this team/map. It shouldn’t have been this close especially in a QM.
I love you so much Pally, but your trait of talking yourself out of the situationally correct talent build into the one you like is sometimes maddening. Planting your feet and AA'ing against Butcher, Greymane and Illidan was a risky call to say the least. Fun video regardless.
When you hit level 20 it's not really that strong. Yeah you can outrange a lot of opponents. But acrobat with Q build and storm of vengeance with AA buiild is way more agressive and more punishing towards divers.
Yeah this is why I stopped playing auto attack valla. Hungering arrow is disgusting with how much damage it can do. If I have a great frontline then I would go face build.
just realised pally plays in 60 fps.....how on earth do you accept that when you do yt for a living (I think) ? 144 hrz monitors are quite cheaper today than 5 years ago, its the new standard.
This team was the epitome of each player having their own plan and deciding to follow it and it alone
In short, QM in HOTS.
That Kerrigan had some ridiculously good plays tho.
I haven't played this game in so long but I ALWAYS tune in when you play it. You were always the most fun part of this game.
Rain of vengeance exists. Pally: I don't have anything to save me from their dives :D
The Amazing Daniel getting MVP after playing like that all game felt very HotS
Thank you, thank you!
He barely died, and that seems to be the biggest weight factor, which can be fairly nonsense.
"Whatever you want at level 20."
Not for Hungering Arrow build. You go Acrobat. So you can go Q>E>Q>E>Q
Ever take Q build in ARAM? Nothing like popping around 3.5k damage in .5 seconds
That Arthas came around and redeemed himself with a couple of nice stuns
Nice to see how that Arthas stepped his game up
I miss specialist classes that went after keeps. It made the game special and had the enemy team breakup their team play to deal with them
i mean...you CAN still do it. hammer just got buffed. azmo still plants his face in buildings just as well as in beta, if not better. ziggy zag kills the minions with Qs and the rest can be thrown on buildings. valla can kill a tower in 2-3 minion waves if left alone from lv1.
the specialist class lost it's meaning since the ammo on buildings was removed in my humble opinion.
They still exist dude, they just aren’t called “specialist” anymore.
They apparently regretted this addition early on, to the point where specialist users were even sorta punished for it in the casual scene.
At one point, hero AI would prioritize laning specialists over everything else, including objectives. Never had that problem when I switched to warriors though.
I remember that heroes like Tracer and Valla allowed the double healer meta to actually be a thing. Consistent high damage, low durability heroes could wipe a team if they could be kept alive, and without them the double healer meta wouldn't have had enough damage to actually work.
I've never realized that the attacks those angels (objective) are shooting at each other to absolutely nothing. Not even 1 damage. The entire time the enemy team was dead the obj kept his 466 health until, for whatever reason, it went down to 465 the second you won the obj. Really weird.
Yeah they don't get a lot done on the battling front without some help ;)
@@googiegress Looks like it. I thought they‘d at least deal a bit of damage…
So Pally made the absolute worst choices with Valla here, showcasing what you do not do more than what to do with her.
Only take the face build when the enemy has a frontlines that will take your hits and when they do not have heroes that have point and click single target engages or when you have a pocket healer like morales. Otherwise you will not get stacks, you will die and lose your attack speed and will only keep dying.
If you take face build, do not take the strafe. Face build is about autoattacking and you are not autoattacking with strafe. Also in general, if the enemy has point and click stuns, like butcher or ilidan ult or diablo smash, do not take strafe.
If the enemy has point and click stuns, or heroes with blinds or evasion, autoattack builds will suffer. So the best bet is to take the hungering arrows, like this game.
And if the enemy only has burst damage range mages, you take the multishot build, because that is the only way you can get damage done from far enough range.
To play Valla vs a team that can kill you if they want to focus you is like managing aggro on MMO's. At first they will want to kill you at sight, because you are the easiest target, so you should run and dodge as much as possible and this takes precedent over doing damage. Run and stay with the team. If the enemy stops throwing themselves at you, only to have your team kill them, then you can be more forward and deal damage, but not before. And if you deal enough damage that they feel like your are the main threat, you have to go back to running and hugging your team. This is the only way to survive a quickplay.
Hey guys, just a heads up, you can still attack tier 2 buildings without them attacking you back at lvl 20. You just need to micro to go in and out before it fires at you, but it is possible since you have the same range.
Or just get in at the right angel, you can still avoid shots and standing still
couple of notes: death dealer is a very effective way to clear camps quicker at zero additional mana cost. its even better at clearing waves if you have some pretty high/accurate APM
rain of vengeance is fantastic if used defensively... pretty much your only option if you want to survive being dived.
the attack speed increase with the level 20, also pretty cool
Her gunslinger skin is one of my top favorites in the game
Also if you play her with her own announcer, there's some of the funniest comments like "What demonic magic is at play ? That demon hunter... is me !"
Personally, my favorite is Muradin announcer, if you're also plaing him: "Ooow, one hell of a view from up here! Hey, where am I? And how am I down there too???" :D
Valla was always one of my favorite characters to team with when I played Aba. Gets real gross with the Aba buff and shield.
This would have been a good opportunity to explain gambit quests and the risk/reward involved in taking them. (For example, all of his attack speed bonuses were gone mid-game, while he still had the damage bonus building from working on the quest).
Yeah, felt bad when he kept playing recklessly. He could've easily avoided couple of deaths in early game.
From TGN squadron too a legend
is there gonna be a 3-part-video of Varian? for each 4lvl spec? :) looking forward :-P
great content, ty for doing it the way you do, love it :)
12:56
Quick Match Valla in a nutshell.
I do miss Rancor at level 20, even though farflight quiver was pretty much always the better talent, anyway.
Rancor is tied to rain of vengeance now. Another reason for why there is literally ZERO reason to pick strafe ever lol.
@@Vermillion12 only time to pick strafe is to wombo with an etc who picked mosh.
@@VileImpin Actually, it’s still not better than simply auto attacking the squishiest target in his mosh. Strafe alone won’t kill anyone at a decent size health alone and they’ll all just walk out and kill you. Honestly, even just dropping two rain of vengeances would be higher burst than strafe.
I’ve come around to strafe a little bit sometimes when I’m taking the hungering arrow build and I want to add on a bit more dps with whoever I hit from a distance but rain or vengeance still just gives so much more value.
Valla can still solo any building or even boss with the passive of the 20 Storm of Vengeance. At 10 stacks of hatred she gets a whopping bonus 50% attack speed allowing her to out heal the damage done.
Hey Pally, long time not dropping a comment. I am sadden buy the path HOTS has taken but you are still a great entertainer (and player). Thank you!
You did amazing clawing back that game, pally! Your resilience and positivity in otherwise frustrating games is a gift to the community! I love your work.
donno duuuude, if you would've taken the other ult, you could've survived so much more. except THE butcher charge and illidan hunt, you could stun the other's charging on you. and the stuns in-between the walls around the arena to peel for yourself and team mates
i would say on level 20 acrobat is must have on Hungering arrow because you can spam q 4 times with salto combination its huge damage
Wow Pally, you have 454 unopened loot chests!
Love the hots content! Keep up the good work. Juke city. The roots are too real.
I love the back and forth games
Dang, Reaper be lookin much better here than on Overwatch. lol
Wild that theres still a Blizz employee thats allowed to go around with the name BlizzCozby
Great edit in the intro!
Ana's 20 can do that too! Just probably not as effective. Was a fun discovery nonetheless.
I really hope this wasn't an actual blizzard imployee, because his name is a Bill Cozby joke...
Not trying to make light of all the terrible things Blizzard has and continues to do…but BlizzCozby…that’s really fucking funny.
@@CDEllis88 Unfortunately true
Valla without someone to peel for her against a very dive heavy comp...generally gonna have a real bad time. Luckily there were other soft squishy types that the enemy could go for besides you so it helped split that unpleasantness off you. A malfurion would of been a god sent against that comp, but that's how Solo Q goes ya rarely get what you need on your side. -laughs-
How do you attack move
67-12-1 now following your builds. This was a fun match. I was on a teal with Kaelthas, Tassadar, Leoric, and Lili. We had so much damage and the team worked really well together responding to each other's pings. I usually prefer the other ultimate to keep myself a bit safer but learning when to time strafe from the video helped a lot
🎉Pally, some congratulations are in order: you are one of the most prolific content creators I've heard of. Make sure you take care of yourself as well.
Been watching you for years you’re great but holy shit your understanding of Valla is lacking so much. Listen anybody that reads this… DO NOT pick strafe, much less into a full dive comp like this. Pally “cant do anything” because he chose the wrong talents. Valla crushes this team/map. It shouldn’t have been this close especially in a QM.
I really miss Haunted Mines :(
The end is near
That Azmo triggered me.
20:30 you didn't fire a couple sec of shots it was not even 1 whole sec
i heard the AA build is only good if you can get 50 stack per death,
I love you so much Pally, but your trait of talking yourself out of the situationally correct talent build into the one you like is sometimes maddening. Planting your feet and AA'ing against Butcher, Greymane and Illidan was a risky call to say the least. Fun video regardless.
I Definitely prefer multi shot build. Much safer build, imo. And good overall damage
When you hit level 20 it's not really that strong. Yeah you can outrange a lot of opponents. But acrobat with Q build and storm of vengeance with AA buiild is way more agressive and more punishing towards divers.
comment for the comment gods
anybody else get it when he says this blizzard employee at the beginning of the match? cuz im dying
Ps look at the arthus's name
A - Z part 81 not first
Yeah this is why I stopped playing auto attack valla. Hungering arrow is disgusting with how much damage it can do. If I have a great frontline then I would go face build.
HÂ MİİN ❤❤❤
very interesting game.
NOICE!
Random comment for channel interaction.
Hello pallytime everyone here
You really love face build, dontcha? XD
wtf is that shuffling sound triggering me lol
Not 2nd
Less than three
just realised pally plays in 60 fps.....how on earth do you accept that when you do yt for a living (I think) ? 144 hrz monitors are quite cheaper today than 5 years ago, its the new standard.