I could never think of any situations where you'd want to go Ambush (Q) out of stealth instead of the stun +blind (W) or silence (E). When you think the armor reduction is going to make the difference to pop them before they can even react? I still can't imagine it letting you land more damage than if they were stunned or silenced.
Could you not have ended mid with the wave/mercs Arthas was walking into the core when they were 3 dead? No keep mid and rag lava waving top with a keep up. I agree with Arthas on his position there unless I’m missing something.
Mid lane is pushing by itself, arthas only helps it clear 1 wave and it was when it reached the enemy keep area. He spent a lot of time just running there and escorting the wave. They could have stayed top, got keep and then had 2 lanes to attack core from. I'm not sure if they could have cored by moving as 5 mid with siege giants, They don't have great core damage and molten core rag will clear that wave quick even from top keep. 2 bruisers can definitely buy time in a core defense situation where there aren't much hard cc. Anyways even if either call is arguably correct the actual correct move is to move with the team.
The right call would have been to not donkey face tank top lane - instead clear camps and take the free objective. Overall terrivle macro by fan. He made some troll decisions there.
@@MrDNE1000it was FANS fault alone + DVA. Fans death was just Int and by that death his team was 4vs5, camps got delayed. His team was low and all resourcesnon the map wasted. Obj waste, camps waste, 3 enemies dead waste.
@@MrDNE1000 I see your point about getting two lanes to push core. Although with Rag that wouldn’t have happened. Team probably should’ve gone with tank since he didn’t come, but he should’ve come originally when they were all 4 top anyway already. I think AFTER rag lava waved and they went all in defending top though, that’s when Fan and team should’ve bailed on that keep and gone mid for sure.
@@elipatrice3092 rag wave doesn't clear mercs, and yes that's exactly my point, they have rag. If getting keep top + pushing two waves wouldn't work, why would pushing mid for core work? Especially when it would delay their push so the enemy team has ~20sec left on death timers instead of 60. They definitely had kill potential top vs rag/malth especially when malth overextended, there was pretty poor siege/dive coordination there like dva losing 50%+ hp for free standing under keep + lava wave, taking heal resources hanzo backing off with full hp while under 0 kill threat, arthas just flat out not being there and effectively doing nothing for 30 seconds. dva should have just sacrificed her mech there and let it take keep shots
whitemane was pretty good
There are definitely past lvl 20 games with forts down and camps/objective done where I’m like “dang what do we do?”
I could never think of any situations where you'd want to go Ambush (Q) out of stealth instead of the stun +blind (W) or silence (E). When you think the armor reduction is going to make the difference to pop them before they can even react? I still can't imagine it letting you land more damage than if they were stunned or silenced.
If your opponent is Unstoppable or you're doing pve. Her armor reduction works on pve targets too, even bosses.
2:50 he missed just one blind
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For some reason Valeera is the only hero i have never played
He didn’t see you he dropped meteor
Hey Fan have you thought about uploading your whole stream to YT?
Could you not have ended mid with the wave/mercs Arthas was walking into the core when they were 3 dead? No keep mid and rag lava waving top with a keep up. I agree with Arthas on his position there unless I’m missing something.
Mid lane is pushing by itself, arthas only helps it clear 1 wave and it was when it reached the enemy keep area. He spent a lot of time just running there and escorting the wave. They could have stayed top, got keep and then had 2 lanes to attack core from.
I'm not sure if they could have cored by moving as 5 mid with siege giants, They don't have great core damage and molten core rag will clear that wave quick even from top keep. 2 bruisers can definitely buy time in a core defense situation where there aren't much hard cc.
Anyways even if either call is arguably correct the actual correct move is to move with the team.
The right call would have been to not donkey face tank top lane - instead clear camps and take the free objective. Overall terrivle macro by fan. He made some troll decisions there.
@@MrDNE1000it was FANS fault alone + DVA. Fans death was just Int and by that death his team was 4vs5, camps got delayed. His team was low and all resourcesnon the map wasted. Obj waste, camps waste, 3 enemies dead waste.
@@MrDNE1000 I see your point about getting two lanes to push core. Although with Rag that wouldn’t have happened. Team probably should’ve gone with tank since he didn’t come, but he should’ve come originally when they were all 4 top anyway already. I think AFTER rag lava waved and they went all in defending top though, that’s when Fan and team should’ve bailed on that keep and gone mid for sure.
@@elipatrice3092 rag wave doesn't clear mercs, and yes that's exactly my point, they have rag. If getting keep top + pushing two waves wouldn't work, why would pushing mid for core work? Especially when it would delay their push so the enemy team has ~20sec left on death timers instead of 60.
They definitely had kill potential top vs rag/malth especially when malth overextended, there was pretty poor siege/dive coordination there like dva losing 50%+ hp for free standing under keep + lava wave, taking heal resources hanzo backing off with full hp while under 0 kill threat, arthas just flat out not being there and effectively doing nothing for 30 seconds.
dva should have just sacrificed her mech there and let it take keep shots
Play with group
Trying to play again and "Quick Match" did not even find any ... no one playing this anymore
i always get insta queues
Holy moly what a terrible macro playstyle by Valeera.