Why General Grievous was an Underrated Tactical GENIUS
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- The dude knew how to organise armies, what can I say?
Why General Grievous was an Underrated Tactical GENIUS
General Grievouses Deserved Ascent to CIS Supreme Commander
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Star Wars is the only place where you can find a four-armed cyborg warrior with Tuberculosis.
I think it must be cannon but I'm not sure that Windu force crushed him.
@@jamesgorman5692 It _was_ canon.
2003 clone wars was the best when it came to making characters like Grievous, Mace and Yoda look like one man armies.
Lejend Dairy - I love my 3D clone wars, but I gotta agree with this. Grievous in the clone wars is a disgrace compared to the 2003 show. Wish they would have shown him beat more Jedi.
I gotta say, I really like the 3D Grievous over the 2003 one. Not sure what does it, because I _want_ to like the 2003 version, but something about the 2008 and live action one...
Too bad for him he couldn't plan his way through plot armor.
Well he had no plot armor, but the plot came "through" his armor.
...Or atleast that's what Obi-Wan would say to that.
@@Haggysack2k8 I mean the Jedi had plot armor. He was defeated by padawans for gods sake.
The plot armor was strong with TCW.
Too bad George didn't want his poster-boy, Vader, being replaced.
He was defeated numerous times in increasingly embarrassing ways and then in the end was killed via a tactic that had no right to work, and if it did then someone else should have done it three-years earlier. We only got to see him actually be who he actually was outside the books in the 2d Clone Wars animation for like 10 minutes and that's just sad.
"General Grievous, however... Grievous was a monster.
The Separatist Supreme Commander is an abomination of nature, a fusion of flesh and droid - and his droid parts had more compassion than what remains of his alien flesh. This half-living creature is the murderer of billions. He is the evil genius of the Confederacy, the architect of their victories. The author of their atrocities."
-From Matthew Stover's ROTS novel
FOR THE SEPARATIST ALLIANCE!
General Grievous1138 the only thing that matters is how many victories he can win
Casualties are only numbers on piece of paper
His lightsaber will be a fine addition to my collection
@@j_x5058 Especially when they're robots.
It didn't help that Sedous, was undercutting him at every turn
I think one of he's flaws as a strategist was his temper. He's a brilliant mind but when things go south he tends to fly into a rage it hinders his thinking.
What ficht was the first time for the captain rex?
I think the reason grievous is such a good tactician is because of his life bofore he was a cyborg
This is General Grievous.
During the Battle of Coruscant, we can see him covering his mouth when he coughs.
Even though he is a cyborg, surrounded by other robots.
Be more like Grievous
Senaga Shen LMAO! I’m dying! This is perfect!
“Hello there”
“General Kenobi!”
“You are a bold one. Kill him”
(Destroys Magnagaurds)
@@senagashen2101 *all the droids Just fucking Shoot Obi Wan till death*
D I R E C T E D B Y
G E O R G E L U C A S
General Grievous: horrifying cybernetic monster.
Clones in Clones Wars: Lets jump on him and punch him in the face!
That mask might break your hand..or.he could cough on. Your hands. The mans a.walking bio weapon
Hey, they tried.
I mean they tried *They were following orders*
Cachillian I don’t think the orders were to jump on his back because it doesn’t seem like the most effective way to caught grievous. Though it was funny.
Me and my boys
That picture of Grevious as George Washington was pure perfection...
7:32 I want that as a poster or backdrop. Who made it?
@@akumaking1 probably titled something similar to 'crossing the Delaware's which is the name of the original painting. Maybe crossing the geonosis?
Dude yes, I typically listen to the videos and I just so happened to look up when it was on screen. To think I could’ve missed it
*This Is Gold*
Made my day
Grevious is so underrated...
He's pretty much considered a Demi-god amongst his people for his exploits as a warrior.
And he was worshiped as a god after his death.
@@akumaking1 woah really?
@@elijahbutcher9522 yeah, they literally have a statue of him on kalee
@@freakyhorrorghoul damn, do you know what kind of god Grievous is worshiped as? Like god of vengeance, mourning and such?
@@elijahbutcher9522 In legends(KOTOR, SWTOR), it is said that the greatest warriors among the Kaleesh become gods in death, and most of their species spent their lifetime seeking worthy foes and adventures to that end, so he was a sort of warrior god acording to their traditions, can't say if this still hold true in the new canon tho
I feel like the main problem grievous had was that he was commanding battle droids with the collective iq of a small child
Roger Roger
he was fighting a war he was meant to lose, but still almost won
The CIS did have non-droid infantry but sadly only for officers, shock troops and ship crews. If they balanced it out and truly unified the whole military might of their worlds in tangent with the droids then he could make an effective sword and shield tactic with such units. Droids should be the sword and the organics the shield, but also he must alter and switch between the two to keep the Republic off balance then it would be an interesting war following cause when you have different races with their own unique cultures, technology, language and strategy but molded and made as one with each gap covering one another with good coordination then it could work. Whether they could win the war this way I wouldn't say given that Dooku and Sidious ran the the show, but if they weren't there that is another story cause Grievous knows the weaknesses of his droids and while he will use them he will be open to command living breathing warriors and soldiers under his command.
Evan Johnson I don’t reckon almost winning should be under his belt as an accomplishment even though the war was guaranteed to be lost when you consider everything it would be very hard for the cis not to win their advantages were to Great
@@datguy8006
I think a large part of it is general space opera tropes clashing with reality. The former generally has robot armies not be super effective and act like organic ones because that would undermine the drama. It's really hard to get attached to individual pieces of equipment when they're the exact same as the next 2000 that are being pumped off the line. It's also really hard to take into account all the massive changes that a fully robotic army would result it: for starters, morale would go out the window for frontline troops. That takes out a ton of story potential, for stuff on the stress soldiers undergo or the morality of war. Robots wont question orders they think are immoral, they dont suffer psychological trauma like organics and they dont mutiny.
The CHAD Legends vs the virgin Canon.
Virgin DISNEY canon.
@@jamesdavis9036 fair on Disney, TCW already made Grevious a joke before they bought the rights.
@@DarkApostleNoek Touche
Noek
A non force sensitive alien becomes a ruthless leader of a droid army, defeats 13 Jedi in combat, become indirectly the result of many more jedi deaths, gains many victories over the clone wars, all while being kaleesh warrior. And that’s not impressive enough for you? Are you forgetting Grievous is the apprentice of Dooku, and a pawn in the clone wars, not God himself?
@@korolevpiano7794 i know people are saying he is more powerfull than vader
Like bruh vader killed lik 100 jedi lol
“Grievous was a fanatical psychopath. Regarding his tactics, they were effective, but it is also much easier to take tactical shots when any massive losses are only a production bill rather than a military funeral. I’m still grateful that I never fought against him on the battlefield.” -CS/CT-8711-12 “Cheng”, Former Captain and Scout of the 442nd Siege Battalion
Got any links to your fanfic? They sound more interesting that the current Disney swill (excluding the Mandalorian show)
Josh I’m writing a crossover fantasy story and the prologue is finished. It is 100% in context to the battles of Cato Nemoidia. It describes a hasty base defense. First draft. I’ll find it when I get on my laptop today and share it with everyone.
Josh also I’m flattered
@@chengzhou8711 waiting on it
@@Al-cm8ny same send it please I need to see
Can you imagine Grievous sitting in his office - Using his 4 hands to multi-task to fill in spreadsheets, paperwork, forming fleets, battle groups, army rosters etc? With a big mug of cyborg coffee on his desk, he puts one pencil down, uses one hand to move it to his face mask - try to sip it, then throw it away as he remembers he doesn't drink coffee anymore - and continues working? Just doing all the organizational paperwork to get things sorted. Somehow it is an amusing thought to think of - General Grievous doing paperwork. Side note: Imagine how dangerously lethal of a job it is to be General Grievouses personal secretary?
Yes, yes I can imagine it.
If you want a visual of this go check out the video "Grievous 66" very funny
I can see that personal secretary taking lots of hot mugs of java juice to the face.
By this point Grievous remembers he doesn’t have a mouth, he just needs to sling scalding, fragile containers at droids heads while tryna work out speed-to-supply ratios and shell tonnage per square meter.
I wish I was his personal secretary 😳
Grievous is the computer Dwight beat in that episode
General Grievous is my favorite Star Wars character I was sad when the made him a coward in the clone wars unlike how he was in the 2003 version
@NuclearHobo42 Same here we went from a Badass Cyborg that could let his huge army kill 6 Jedi's, but instead chose too Solo all of them and Wreck'em almost killing them all. An single handedly chase and capture Palpatine all around Coruscant while fighting Clone an Jedi bodyguards with little help from his Droids.
To one that goes like "Well im done for today see next week folks" some 50% percent off the time. The only time's he ever fights is he know's either his opponents are weak, or has a huge advantage against them or just arrogance. Yet were talking about the Version that got beat by Gungans, and resort to getting help almost all the time.
@NuclearHobo42 I remember i felt the same when i was a kid an saw the cartoon he was one of the most badass characters ever, me and my friends were talking about him alot. An yes we felt the same way after the movie, we were like thats it? that he was treated more of a joke too be honest.
@@silentecho92able actually he never was even nerfed, always the same character in both the 2003 and 2008 TCW TV shows, just the 2003 shows how much of a beast he really was, while the 2008 shows when he isn't having a good time. Mostly it's the clones and jedi that call him a coward when to him it's a "strategic retreat" because he knows a losing battle when he sees one.
I wish they would make a small movie with Grievouses backstory from being a Khaleesh warlord to being deceived and turned into a cyborg jedi killer for the Sith. It would be amazing.
Hello, Lucasfilm? I've got someone you need to talk to...
@@jamesdavis9036 .....and they're name is fanbase.
@@vladtheimpaler9577 That too. But seriously, dude, they really should make that a movie!
Why does Vlad the fucking Impaler know more about an Interesting story than Disney? Whats up with that?
Ok imma turn into god when I get a spin-off guys don’t worry
One of the only problems withe Clone wars series is grevious primarily goes up against people that have to be in Ep 3. They should have let him cut loose against peoplewho didn't have that plot armor, thats why he tears shit up on dathomir
That's a good point! I hadn't thought about it that way. Of course he can't kill Anakin, Obi-Wan, Kit Fisto, etc. They should have had him rip up a few more knights throughout the show to demonstrate his threat level. But then they had the throw the padawan arc at us.. His worst moment in the show -_-
@@PurposefullyIneloquent Exactly, his best moments in legends are him slaughtering people who aren't in ep 3 or severely injuring people who are (Aayla secura) and like you said he just needs to cut loose against some new guys who we've grown decently attached too
But he lost like a little piece of shit in pure lightsaber battle against ventress. Stop lying to yourself, even on dathomir in TCW he was ridiculous at some points. What did they do to you Grievous...
@@grivous9515 Ya but ventress is pretty top tier
@@tenthshadowstep so Grievous is not at all.
He said "Hello there" first
Imagine if Dooku's experiment worked and Grievous was Force sensitive
I am, and I'm scared... He would've curb stomped the Republic.
No Jedi , not even Kenobi and Vader would've been a match .
I always knew General Grevious was more than what the Clone Wars showed since we mostly saw the victories of the Republic most of the time, but I didn't know the extent of it. Really enjoyed learning more about him
Nothing beats 2D Grievous, a brutal fighter who used the unorthodox along with developing new tactics to counter opponents, nothing like 2008 grievous who does have his moments of badassery but is often portrayed as a coward...although I guess that does fall in with what Dooku had told him to do, so what do I know 😂
In a unfinished scene of the 2008 Clone Wars, Grievous decapitates a Utapauan for being slightly annoying, and nearly kills Obi-Wan in a unanimous 1v1. But the episode was left unfinished when Disney bagged Star Wars.
SidDaSlothMan that was a pretty great moment, When grievous saw right through the little buggers lies.
I did state that 2008 grievous did have his moments of badassery, him Decapitating the utuapaun bug guy was one of em 😂
...any chance we get that scene in all it’s glory in Clone Wars season 7?
F S It’s possible, considering most of the season will likely consist of unfinished episodes being completed.
And the rest devoted to characters like Ahsoka, and Battles such as the siege of Mandolore.
I don't really know if you can call him cowardly when he genuinely doesn't display fear when he retreats. He just knows when to make a tactical retreat. Let's not forget the entire reason he died was because he had the chance to run like a coward, but didn't.
Legends/novel authors and director of 2003 cartoon : "Grievous is one of the most dangerous and nefarious characters of star wars, he is ruthless and cunning and has killed billions ! Grievous is to be feared!"
George Lucas : "Lol I wanted to make him like a Cereal-box mascot..."
The dude certainly could use his own spinoff movie. Depicting his heroics during the War against the Huk, the loss of his mate. The neglect and outright betrayal of the republic and his eventual cyborg beginnings. A true War Adventure movie. Maybe even show a more compassionate side of him, that is completely torn down by the end of the movie.
My favorite Grievous episode was the one where he massacred the Nightsisters because it was him at his most brutal.
And still he was almost killed by Ventress.
Rasengan VXW okay true
I never watched The Clone Wars because of his awful portrayal. I can't forgive Filoni for this decision. Why do you buff an already established character so much and take his good back story, it just doesn't make any sense.
Plot armour, and what he was like in rots
@@avet4952 In the movie he was weak and coughing because of Windu! But during all the clone wars he was originally super strong! Filoni nerfing Grievous like that, making him stupid, turning him in a joke, an incompetent, is a terrible decision.
Don't blame Filoni, Lucas is the one that got butthurt that someone else made a really cool Star Wars character and nerfed him from here to hell and back.
My opinion of Grievous is still shaped by the 2003 Clone Wars cartoon.
General Grievous was basically a master of "Working with what you have."
In the 2003 series he was depicted as flawless with his strategy
Grievous' past as the supreme warlord and leader of various Kaleesh tribes would translate well into organizing the disjointed Separatist forces.
Arguably Grievous was the bigger linchpin of the CIS than Dooku.
TCW did GG dirty. Legends did his character far better then canon, if you disagree you're wrong.
Yep
Seeing this, I only thought about that one time he crushed a clones face.
"You'll regret that!"
General Grievous was the Supreme Commander of the Confederacy of Independent Systems. It's entirely military operated, both in battle and in logistics, in accordance with his strategies, doctrines, and directions. He can be compared, given his rank and role, with legendary real world Supreme Commanders like Georgy Zhukov and Dwight D. Eisenhower.
I have quite a bit of confidence that Grievous could've won the war for the CIS if not for the fact that Palpatine constantly sabotaged or ordered a halt to Grievous' plans, technical developments, and advances (take for example the battle of Kamino... if not for the, almost certainly Palpatine sabotage, leaking of part of Grievous' call to the Republic he would've totally crippled the GAR morale in foul swoop). Grievous did a very good job with what he had available to him, especially considering he routinely had to go up against space wizards with magic powers (who almost always were the sole factor that ruined what would've otherwise been his victories). Grievous would be a nightmare to face as a commander in a conventional war (where there aren't any force users involved to save his opponents like a constant foil).
Sure but the important part of Grievous was that even the jedi couldn't stop him, which terrified the entire galaxy. But TCW show intentionally contradicts this. Matthew Wood (Grievous' vocie actor) said in a featurette of one of the episodes that Grievous is good but when he comes across a Jedi he is "backed up against the wall" because of "stupid droids". Which then contradicts Grievous' reputation as a jedi killer and the threat of droids as a whole to the galaxy, because where did the chaos come from then?
The general ability yo organize resourses and army is the most important in the making of a great general
Hannibal, Napoleón we're great structural organizers of their respectivo armys
The roman war machine was powerfull for their organization
So you're telling me:
General Grevious = an evil Robert E. Lee of the American Civil War
*The American Civil War heavily influenced the Clone Wars*
I would call Grevious more a tragic villain with sympathetic backstory. But it’s no excuse for his future actions
Dooku is more of an evil Robert E. Lee, I think. In fact, the actor Christopher Lee is a distant relative of Robert E. Lee.
Grievous: *lands on the battlefield*
Clones: Why do I here boss music?
On a serious note I wonder why the republic never tried assassinating him, he doesn't have the force so if a clone with a heavy sniper rifle lined up a shot and grievous didn't see it coming he could've been removed early on
@@jgonzalez5884If his armor can tank volleys from starfighter cannons and an explosion that obliterated an entire underground city from right in the center then I doubt a HSR will do much
@@jgonzalez5884 They must have since Grievous was the number one target to the Republic, even more important than Dooku himself. That's why Grievous is so notoriously paranoid, he knows he is in danger 24/7 due to his value.
@Epik shot in the exposed organs my guy
7:30 why is grievous crossing the delaware?
To get to a future where there are no jedi
To ambush the Republic Bounty Hunters on Life Day
He is the leader of the most powerful droid army the galaxy has ever seen
2D Greivous is the true Grievous.
2D Grievous is stupid.
LITERALLY everyone was unnecessarily OP in the 2003 cartoon.. it looks totally badass there but wouldn’t be a good transition if they tried to make those 2D fights live-action.
Well, that's why it's 2D...
Not everything translates well into IRL from the 2D world, but non the less it's nice and badass how it is.
@@Scoot694 If everyone is OP, so how Grievous is able to fight 5 OP jedis at once? Because it's proportionally OP. Everyone OP or not, still Grievous did what he did in this show. Sadly, it is not canon anymore. Thank you TCW 3D for destroying things that fans loved.
@@grivous9515 It s funny how TCW 2D can get away with retarded BS but when the sequels do it they are trash.
3D Grievous beat every Jedi that wasnt a council member and he even won against Adi Gallia and he drew against Obi Wan and Kit Fisto while the later had a massive advantage because of the fog. How much stronger can a force user be.
Grievous: I was suppose to be a badass, but the writers did me dirty.
Gohan: First time?
"Don't worry man it happens to all of us. I was supposed to be a democratic idealist. Then the author turned me into a hardass military strongman. While this was right after I was deposed during a siege, my then girlfriend had just wiped out an entire army, but I didn't use that for the reelection campaign.
-Elend Venture
Yeah, a lot of Clone Wars content, not just the TV series, usually tends to focus so much on Grevious combat abilities on the ground and his Jedi killing skills that I too didn't realize how much of a tactical genius he was being able to bring all these elements together. Although, when most battles play out as both sides sending their troops at each other and trying to kill them all there's really not that much nuance in strategy. Sure there are usually primary targets like bases and Droid Foundries, but they usually just blast their way to them or have a diversion so a small team can sneak in to take over or blow it up.
Revan had a similar type of tactical Genius, as did Thrawn.
Grievous was probably the only one to effectively use commando droids in combat.
So basically he’s better at the logistics, organisation and streamlining department.
Image if Grievous was in charge of changing the Republic military into the Imperial Military or if he was in charge of forming the different rebel cells into the Rebellion!
Everyone would be .
If only george lucas didn't have yes men when he worked.
Pro: General Grievous was a tactical genius, had super battle droids and some other annoyingly hard to kill machines. Con: He also had to deal with other incompetent battle droids.
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6 battle droids missed and hit the dislike button- time to go back to reprogramming
Hello there
You are a bold one!
How appropriate that the guy who has 4 arms that work together and can merge into 2 arms, is the one to bring together the multiple armies of the CIS.
I always thought the clone wars would have been better if it had switched between bad guy protagonists and good guy protagonist because plot armor had a huge effect on the show
It would have helped especially in the film's if you at least saw him in a council of war.
He... Kinda does with the sep leaders in utapau
@@ledanoir1239 it's been a while since I watched the film but I don't think he so much consulted with them as told them to stop whining, that was good too though. Thinking back the only background you get for him is in the scrolling intro.
Be thankful viceroy, that you dint find yourself in my grift !
I really hope we get a Disney plus show if grievous before the clones wars showing everyone how he got the CIS to become the strongest military force in the galaxy. If not for palpatine playing both sides. And then maybe season 2 we see him during the clone wars using those tactics and murdering Jedi in the hundreds
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More Grievous!
Grievous is daddy
Imagine Admiral Trench and General Grievous I'm the same battle.
Hello the same battle, I'm dad
The Senate's genius is underrated.
General Grievous had a lot of grievances with the Galactic Republic and Jedi Order
*another great video to add to my collection*
He is by far my favourite character
I Always knew the prowess and attributes of Grievous and I hate how people make him a joke, but I like watching videos like this to see if I can learn anything new about characters...I just love star wars to much it's actually depressing lol
General Grievous is my favorite character! I hope that we get Grievous: A Star Wars Story one day!
Im afraid of this if we get the Filoni's version of Grievous.
CWMMP Grievous is infinitely superior to TCW Grievous
Run, jedi, run
Wish Marvel Star Wars gives General Grievous his solo comic series instead of always giving Darth Vader comics.
The thing about the clone wars is it doesn’t often show his success because he’s up against the likes of Anakin and Obi!
Often people find themselves shortcoming against these Legions
right again geetslys i think the 2003 grievous was a little smarter than the new one.
He is underestimated because the modern clone wars wants it that way
If grievous has his clone wars armor in revenge of the sith. Kenobi would be dead. Cause. His chest was fully sealed
Goddamn I love your videos.
Organization, planning, and management are more strategic skills, though...?
Speaking of thrawn and grevious, this is how a full scale military battle I think would play out between them. Grevious would brutally murder a chunk of thrawns troops, his droid bodyguards following his lead. Thrawn would strengthen his reinforcements analysing grevious for a way too defeat him little did he know that grevious was doing the same. YOU COWARD COME AND FIGHT ME LIKE A MAN!!!! grevious would roar at the top of his voice. Thrawn would swing down punching grevious hard in the face. The metallic warrior was barely fazed. Thrawn barely dodged a violent lightsabers swing from grevious, and attempting to kick grevious. As quick and agile as a falcon grevious grabs his leg. Thrawn struggles pathetically but grevious has a iron grip. Literally. Grevious wildly swings his lightsabers decapitateing thrawn. He commands his men to obliterate any surviving troops.
“Except for the legendary Grand Admiral Thraw, whose only weakness was the lack of natural resistance to knives”
AAAAAAND that’s my biggest problem with OG Thraw. For how much people complain about self-inset I think that Thraw gets too much of a pass on that. I understand why, he is a fascinating character, specially at the time the Thraw Trilogy came (and still today actually) when the only depicted Imperial officers were either practically robots (some literally) that followed 01 logic of obedience, and when demonstrated some character trait it would be either petty personal ambition and pride or fear, and not even fear of the Rebellion, but fear of punishment from someone above the chain of command.
Then came Thraw. A complex personality and a almost “benevolent dictator”, a “enlightened despot” of sorts. Someone that led by example, that didn’t killed his subordinates for failing but showed them how to learn with their mistakes, someone that was interested in studying art and philosophy, so that he could understand the cultures he was fighting, and whom didn’t run on “scorched earth” upon victory, but welcomed the surrendering systems into his own mini-empire. He also came from a different background, had to fight his way to the top against all the prejudices of Imperial Hierarchy against non-humans and joined the Empire due to a, at the very least, sympathetic motivation. And, of course, was basically invincible on the battlefield. You almost want him to be the protagonist. And, in a sense, he kinda is. He is more of a anti-hero than a villain. And I’m with all of you, I love him, and wished he was better integrated into canon.
BUT
He is undoubtedly too perfect. I don’t even know if he have any character flaw, aside from being on the opposite side of the heroes. That’s why his defeat and last minute death came so much out of nowhere to me. Felt like he wasn’t defeated by the heroes, but by “chance”, and by “chance” I mean, plot armor. Because it was the only way it could have happened. He didn’t had much of a flaw that the characters could exploit to beat him. And yes, this element makes it for the perfect villain! In the first moments... The protagonists would have to learn how to beat him, and they cannot do if he doesn’t merely “appear to be invincible” but IS basically invincible. Otherwise, what’s the merit?
If I would re-introduce him into canon, I would give him some weakness/flaw of emotional nature. Maybe give him the “Holmes flaw” (the Arthur Doyle OG Holmes) even with his “theoretical understanding” of others, he is too analytical and cold to comprehend true emotional fidelity, which is the only thing Leia, Han and Luke have it better. Idk.
That’s always a “impopular opinion” I had, but if you bring it up you get dogpilled, because it’s either full love to the character or the minimal criticism is viewed as “hating him”. But calm down, I DO love the character.
The 2008 series did not do Grievous enough justice!
Those 5 dislikes are 5of the Jedi he killed
Separatist Military Leaders: "OK. Err... how we do this? How do we build our navy size? Damn it we've got too many forces!"
Grievous: "Here let me handle this."
A few days later
Separatist Military Leaders: "Wow great job General Grievous. From now on you will lead us."
Grievous: "Hahaha (coughs)"
Gotta remember sidious planned on the cis losesing and everything we see is from the jedis view and based on what he was given he did very well
Would be funny if made a video about why Thrawn a was an overrated tactian
The very best performance of General Grievous is from the clone wars micro series. Now that was someone to be scared of
How did droids even outrank other droids? Were higher ranking droids ones with better logic units? It kind of baffles me that droids would need to have a rank structure within themselves rather than just obeying orders from their organic commanders
Yeah, I had the same question
Maybe it’s something to do with how they organize in or between battle, like if a B2 super Battle droid outranks the standard battle droid it receives priority repairs and ammunition or is positioned differently in the formation
@@darthguilder1923 Also it was suppose to help with micro management a General cannot commander each individual soldier to do certain battle tactics so by having lower ranking droid commanders it would help with micro managment. As a General typical has to command the whole theater of engagement focus on the big picture and not get distracted by small details. As that is for the lesser Commanders to lead their battalions within in the army. Then to for the Junior officers to lead the platoons and the ncos to make effective use of each squad. That is where the Clone army excelled at it allowing for a highly mobile and effective fighting force.
But the main issue was most of the Battle Droid commanders were bases of the B1 series making for rather weak and commanding figures at least post battle of naboo in the clone wars show. They were neither Charismatic or intimidating like general grevious himself. One example is a B1 tank Commander tells his subordinate tank commanders that we can't fit through these natural barriers as they are hunting master yoda and his clone body guards during a mission to meet the king of wato's people or something. Instead one his tank ncos is like nah were good we can fit. The AAT Driver Floors it and the tank crash's ejecting the b1 nco from his tank. The commander was like next listen orders sigh. Like wheres your Husbah your balls droid commander. Or resorting to insulting your warship gunner because he can't hit shit when the commander could have shown him how to be better his job lol.
And Tactical Droids weren't to common and well their Super Tactical Droid Counter parts were a very rare sight to. What would made it a lot easier if the CIS invested heavily in command versions of B2 super battle droids. Although portrayed as slow moving derp's in the show. Well Republic commando show and attack of the clones to extent really shows these lumbering droids ruthlessness not only to the enemy but their B1 comrade in arms to. So having a B2 commander variants would have helped a lot also would spare grevious from having to destroy any useless and annoying b1 all the time. He could simply watch one his B2 subordinate commanders do it for him for his amusement lol. Then Dooku wouldn't have been on his case all the time about the Battle Droid budget lol. And will have same terrifying effect on the B1s to not step out of line or give any back sass lmao allowing for more B1s to be focused on the mission or tasks at hand and less time being annoying and complaining about everything and anything.
Lol Clones were organic troopers with more thoughts and emotions than any battle droid. Yet they were more combat effective and disciplined then any confederacy droid. I am beginning to understand why general grevious wasn't always the most patient commander or lack a good sense of humour at times. Some I am getting the feeling that Old Sheev was up to his dirty tricks again lol.
It’s possibly the few really bad things about CW vs CW the 2D makes Grievous dangerous af
Am I the only one who doesn't like the intro thing with the beeping? It's kinda harsh imo
They actually talk about it in the clone wars. He often lures the jedi into traps
Great at unifying them but also great at destroying expensive droids
My favorite tactical moment of Grevious was when he was attacking a republic world, and was having trouble dealing with the defending fleet. So he ordered fighters and long-range guns to target evacuating civilian and medical transports, forcing the republic forces to shield the ships with their own hulls.
10/10 would violate intergalactic laws of war again.
In canon, Thrawn's only weakness was not expecting space whales
This is why you always expect the space whales
EDIT: I'd also like to point out that Grievous managed to kill Shaggy, so I think he needs to be given the proper credit
While I can agree Grievous would have made an astounding HR Manager, I can't agree he made a particularly good Supreme Commander. Yes, he got the component parts working together. But he failed to place any value on any component. He was often arrogant and allowed for preventable losses, just for his own escape or his own pride. His losses were complete or he made them so through Scorched Earth tactics. I know, he was supposed to, but it doesn't excuse the fact someone should have noticed with him in charge, there's no point in winning. War is not about battles or heroes, it's about what is left and what was gained or lost. As a General, your concerns are rarely on which side retreated, but rather what was the cost to the gain. Wars are fought over many fronts, and winning a significant battle, that cost you everything in the end may be remembered, but means nothing, other than maybe a rally cry or inspiration in desperate times.
Additionally, diversifying for the sake of doing so rarely gives you any particular advantage. Replacing half your miners in a mine with accountants and truck drivers, probably will not increase that mines production. Some missions work better with a singular strength. A battleship is something you can not ignore, hence a single battleship can tie up massive amounts of resources. The Allied air campaign over Germany could have been much more devastating if they dropped troops and tanks to inflict civilian, logistic, and morale damage with the bombs and pamphlets, but the loss of resource would have made the idea counter intuitive. Yet, that is every one of Grievous'es strategies. His campaigns leave nothing to fight over, and most of the time, the CIS were fighting battles for personal sovereignty from an overarching, despotic and nepotistic imperialist republic, meaning most of the battles were defensive and where these people lived, with some exceptions. (Ryloth and depending how you feel about Quarren, Mon Cal technically) So, Scorched Earth, bad.
Yes, Grievous is a good bean counter and would have made a great advisor, but without placing your resource in context to your objectives, it means nothing. An Imperial Star Destroyer not using its standard ties as mobile AA guns is not properly using that resource. As is abandoning an entire ship full of battle droids when the battle turns slightly, why even have them ?
General Grievous and the CIS >>>>> First order, Final order, and Sith garbage. Bet my money on it.
One only has to watch the 2d Clone Wars and see his accomplishments during Durge's Lance to understand Grievous's genius in battle strategy.
Grievous was shown to be a true military leader and born leader in original Legends material so much so that even Dooku And Sidious took him very seriously yeah.
Ah yes, who can forget General Grievous's infamous crossing of the Delaware.
I wish grievous would have become a bounty hunter. It makes no sense that that force use asajj ventress gets to become a bounty hunter without being tracked down for war crimes.
The clone wars did make grievous out to be a little incompetent, but it also showed him using great tactics and leading devastating missions. The only thing wrong was that he would get Jedi who fought against him several times thrown against him. It also shows the ingenuity of him by being able to out smart many Jedi and other high ranking people
That's why I call him retreating as a "strategic retreat" because he knows that fighting a losing battle isn't worth the effort.
Without Sidious's master great plan, with Grievous being the Supreme Commander of the CIS military, the Republic should have been crushed to it's core.
good to hear the CIS and Grevious like diversity.
Yes! Thank you for bringing this to light!
Dooku put him in charge of the Droid Army for a reason.
Does Grievous still kill people for mistakenly calling him a droid or is that just legends?
It certainly sounds like him
Both but less so in cannon
11:11 that comment of the week is so accurate lmao
So you mean to say he had common sense unlike everyone else?