It's kinda wild how much the perception of this franchise has changed since the prequels came out. Initially people laughed at the idea that anyone would be interested in intergalactic banking and politics and now there are in depth analyses for political and economic systems in the STAR Wars universe going back thousands of years.
It was mostly how bad the dialogue was that made the Senate scenes drag on. It really dragged down the middle of the phantom menace. But I always liked them not as good but not bad
@Comrade Sky All fair points. Duel of Fates and the non cringe moments of the podrace redeem episode 1 imo, episode 2 is a dumpster fire with few redeeming qualities, 3 ended on a high note and with minor tweaks could have been a good movie.
Reminds me of Darman. But the Clone in the thumbnail is a regular white job, not a commando so idk maybe it's just one of those random occurrences in wartime and there is no actual story.
How to destroy the jedi: Step 1: start a war that lasts for years. Step 2: have them pick a side. Step 3: watch them compromise to the point they are no lonher jedi.
I think we're all forgetting one key element: for the most part, the clones were fighting droids. They were soulless machines that almost seemed to reflect their own existence; to just fight and die. It would have angered them, and instilled a certain fear. So, they made their tactics more brutal. They weren't fighting living beings, and the line between droid and clone only seemed to be drawn at the flesh. Basically, they quickly became desensitized to the violence against their enemy as their enemy showed a willingness to do whatever it took to win, and their enemy wasn't even alive. They also saw themselves in the droids, to an extent, and it both enraged and terrified them. Then human officers seeing their clone subordinates and no different than the droids didn't help much either.
plus: always outnumbers, always outgunned makes you desperate. I just watch a documentary about the absolutely apocalyptic Battle of Berlin, the roads were so choked with rubble that soviet sappers were forced to literally blast away through the sub street cellars and engage in brutal CQB combat for every house and room, just to move forward. so this kind of thing isn't surprising when it's the entire galaxy at war.
All wars start out the same. The honorable battles and tactics, but soon the rot of war seeps through the armies ranks. The longer a war lingers the darker it gets.
Week 1: we killed some germans, they killed some of us, no big deal the goverment told us it'd be over by cristmas. Week 78: we've been trapped in this hellhole for years and they already are using gas. My friend died of trench foot last week and no man's land is a mess. God help us f*cking halleluya!
Daladari the Loyal your right, the longer a war goes the more frightening and horrifying the weapons, strategies, and tactics get. The past two World Wars are good examples of this
@Tron I actually think this gives a reason for a lot of Imperial Navy designs and doctrines, you can't beat the CIS droid fighters, so your best bet is to knock out their carriers. The droid fighters are largely battery driven and lack hyperdrives, lightspeed out of the area then return a day or two later to mop up the offlined droid fighters. The Star Destroyers are all built around killing other capital ships, let the TIE fighters handle defenses until you can down the enemy carriers or base, and get out, it's the perfect ship in the wrong war.
@tron Han said it, "That shot was one in a million kid." Tarkin getting blown up on the death star had nothing to do with effectiveness. He didn't plan the death star anyway...I loled at the description of the tactics as Reven-esque...
Even the early tactics seem better than the ones used during the Battle of Alderan in the SWTOR Hope trailer where the Republic Troopers not only charged at lightsaber wielding SITH LORDS but also did so by giving up the High Ground.
the force allows a user to sense danger. there was an army of force using sith. they wouldn't have much of an ambush as you would think. to stay at range so sith could deflect your own blaster bolts back at you would be suicide. they had to close at the start and battle at close range. similar to the geonosian battle in EP II. In EP II, The droids closed with the jedi. Resulting in only 30 of the 212 attacking jedi survived. in SWTOR, the alderaanian troops won.
@@aegis0302 just because someone wins doesn't mean they had good strategy (real life example is the Crimean War) and Havoc Squad were getting decimated before Satile Shan showed up.
@@Jedi_Spartan wait. what?! they win but they suck?! wtf? the original premise was that the troops gave up ambush advantage and high ground. I explained why they didn't have ambush advantage and why they had to close to which their tactic resulted in a win. Satile was close by, I'm pretty sure she was part of the plan. being the history in which Jedi usually lead, she probably came up w the plan. 1jedi plus troops vs. an army of sith, troops and droids. you then say running at sith is even more suicide than staying at distance and trying to ambush. no running at them is not more suicidal. They WON by running at them! the plan worked!
I also think Palpatine used the later Clone Wars battles as a vetting process for Non-clone non-Jedi officers. Officers like Tarkin rapidly rose through the ranks because they used brutality, terror, and ruthless efficiency as their primary warfare strategies, tools useful for keeping the Empire in power, and it’s subjects afraid. Tarkin is one who thinks excessive brutality is the same as skillful strategy, which is why he never cared about casualties under his command as long as they were effective on the objective.
not necessarily by that time grievous already made his brutal and most devastating offensive besides coruscant Operation durges lance. he bombarded multiple planets ,released bioweapons wiping out large city planets similar to coruscant. most non jedi and non clone officers were out for blood and the clones finally having free hand to crush the seps happily followed these orders . the jedi protested but given how Terrible they were as officers and the seperatist leader was a former jedi they looked more and more like treacherous scum
The fact is that it is the way of the war. In times of peace the army and its efficiency erodes while in times of war they are become stronger. Thanks to Sidious this ruthlessness was expanded upon and so the Imperial navy was born. I also like that in legends and canon Thrawn is the combinance of both and yet much more witch makes him so effective and minimalize the number of casulities.
Sea warfare and space warfare are completely different. Plus it is almost the norm that a faction controls an entire planet so no wars between nations. Also water navy ships are obsolete in star wars because any idiot with a spaceship or fighter can simply destroy it.
I don't doubt a modern infantry platoon could wreck a platoon of clone or storm troopers... But I think we'd have a problem with the fighters and capital ships. No amount of tactics will let you do anything to a fighter that can shrug off your armaments entirely. XD
3:51 ....Individual soldiers would split up into smaller units...... TROOPER! DEPLOY YOUR RIGHT LEG OVER THERE ON THE FORWARD FRONT AND YOUR LEFT ARM ON THAT FLANK! DO IT NOW! (that actually "does" sound like the Clone Wars...)
Well, just because the Republic Officers, especially Tarkin, acted on their own accords, Palpatine did specifically choose those over certain others. However, I also believe that Palpatine deliberately pulled the Separatists’ strings in order for the Republic to Retaliate accordingly. Basically, Palpatine went no further than six degrees of separation; coaxing problems in order to bring out solutions & such.
War favors the cruel and cunning. It also makes for quick promotions, suddenly putting people like Tarkin into high positions. The perfect strategy for priming a republic to transition into an empire.
That's the point of these details being in the story. The republic started out unprepared for war and ended up becoming harsher but also more effective towards the end. It's not unrealistic to show people trying to keep their morals in war, as long as it's shown that doing so won't necessarily lead them to winning that war.
Sounds like the GAR evolved just how not only Sideous planned but exactly as he predicted theyd go. Not that it was avoidable. Long, brutal, bloody wars like this require both sides to start however they feel but if they are ultimately going to win they have to be willing to do whatever that requires. Sacrifices have to be made. War is Hell for reason. They may very well have been sickened an heavily regretted the things they did. But that's what they joined up for, an in the Clones case literally bred and born into. An one in that situation has to do whatever it takes. War isn't won by always playing nice the longer it goes on. An the longer that went the more an more worse each woulda became depending on how much they intended to win. It's as much a "what will you do an how far will you go" to win it as actually doing it
I am so glad the modding community of EaW, particularily FoC Republic at War, reflected exactly the shortcomings you mentioned in the video. The lack of starfighters early tech level vs lucrehulks can be hella frustrating.
The reason Palpatine could make an Empire was because the Republic was just a step away from that point by the end of the Clone Wars. All it took was one perfectly timed “terrorist coup” from the Jedi to make the people welcome the final transition.
I have trouble understanding how in starwars they were able to travel the whole galaxy but not build more sophisticated droids. In our reality were closer to building super smart and efficient robots than we are to building huge fleets of star destroyers.
Because if the droids got smarter then they'd turn on the CIS... they were very much aware of that fact and kept the droids under heavily restrictive programs or hinder them with programming weaknesses.
Edward Baeg What with it? Quite a lot of clones refused to execute it, some of which didn't even remove their chips. Yes, on the large scale of the whole Grand Army it was just a few of them, but it was a big number of early rebels when the GA is out of consideration.
I always disliked the Jedi using a disposable clone army, just made to fight and die. It never seemed "Jedi like" but I guess that's the point to show how far the Jedi had fallen and put aside their morals and Jedi teachings.
Yeah, and the fact that it's our boi Obi-Wan Kenobi who is the one to find the clone army and goes along with the "purchase" just drives that home. You're rooting for these guys even while you're being shown how they've fallen.
i mean star wars is a story about fascism from the start, and even without the sith, imperialist tactics would’ve appealed to a desperate republic and civilians
“The Tactics sure changed. The uniforms were first a part of a shock tactic that didn’t work against droids since they didn’t get effected by morale. In fact, I wrote a little presentation that got some things for the scouts of my battalion, including more equipment and camouflage patterns to paint on. Around that time, all the scouts in the army started putting camouflage paint of many varieties, and sharpshooters, then entire regiments. Yep. I contributed to the movement that those damn Kaminoans put on us. If you think about it, they weren’t better than the people sending droids to cut us down.” ARF/CT-8711-12 “Cheng”, Captain And Scout of the 442nd Siege Battalion
@@GeneralGrievous-1138 The Umbaran Military especially. Their tactics were so good, they gave the Republic a run for their money during the battle of Umbara.
I hate Tarkin so much more every time I learn something new about him. He is single-handedly responsible for so many needless and senseless atrocities, all of which were committed in the name of order at whatever cost necessary - an pathetic excuse of an ideology forced onto him by a psychopath of a father while he was just a child.
This may be an older video, but it's still a good and entertaning one. And it's very helpful for writting dialgou for the people of Kuat Drive Yards when they explain to Yoda and others who are picking up the ships and equipment for the First Battle of Geonosis who they developed the vechcials and ships used for the GAR in a fanfic I'm currently working on. So thank you for being a big help to me, Geetsly. As always. Also, Ii'm the 500th comment on this video. Cool. :)
Can you even imagine if men like Tarkin and Yularen were given control of the seperatist army? If Dooku personally held them in correspondence? Devastating.
Sooo one of the ads that just played for me here is for the movie coming out "Nobody" idk if anybody remembers but Nobody was the super hero in the early 2000's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles show that inspired Mikie to become Turtle Titan
So basically the Jedi, contrary to what is often said, didn't really ruin to military. They just inherited such a shitshow even they couldn't entirely fix it. And then Tarkin and his like, backed by palps of course, pushed it into outright war-crime territory.
i still never understood why their assault ships would not barrage the shit out of the gun emplacements in the second invasion of geonosis. they lost SO MANY LAAT's and tanks to the flak it was honestly hard to watch. obv im talking about the emplacements outside of the shield, of which there were many.
Same reason America dropped the Atomic bombs on Japan. Japan never would've quit, the world was sick of fighting a war and it was guaranteed to end the war almost instantly
You know, kinda funny how Empire pretty much did completely away with using droid fighters in favor of bigger, bulkier, and manned Ties now that we have prequels and everything.
A clone would probably care about the battle tactics that sends them to their deaths. They wouldn't care about obirital bombardment if it meant saving a bunch of their jedi officers and clone brothers.
The clones were bred to follow orders. Whether that means sacrificing themselves or fulfilling a base delta zero (orbital bombardment). They were unquestioning, but not entirely to the point of droids.
Love those Elite AT-St's in the first picture they are badass as well at the AT-MP and the Elite version of it I wish they would make it into some movie or show etc and not just a mobile they are awesome as well as those Dark Trooper. (Wait a minute is that some picture from Star wars commander)
If you're forced to fight a war, fight to win. Then fight in such a way that the next ten guys you have to fight think twice and again before they force you to fight them.
I always believed it was because the Republic was tired of war. I mean think about it by the time of the Outer Rim Sieges the Republic had been at war with the CIS for almost 3 years. During those 3 years the citizens of the Galaxy had seen some of the worst fighting ever in their entire lives with war crimes being committed almost daily. The Republic realized with the start of the Outer Rim Sieges that victory was on the horizon and it was going to do anything to claim even if it meant abandoning what moral principles it had left.
What are mandalorian tactics? Not just against the jedi and not just against the sith either. What are their tactics against every other alien species that they fought against, especially in the mandalorian wars? My question is why are they the most superior Warriors within the Galaxy when we don't even have have any info on how they fight, anywhere in legends or Canon. Because I think it takes more than just a suit of armor and a bunch of fancy gadgets to make someone a superior war fighter.
Maringer86 We do have Legends info on their tactics, actually. It focused on heavy firepower and brute force, with their technology (heavy blaster weapons, armor, Basilisk war droids, and warships) being the backbone of all their strategies. Oftentimes they would just outright destroy entire or large swaths of worlds, using nuclear weaponry or turbolaser bombardment to glass them; at one point, their plans for an invasion of Kashyyyk involved glassing an entire continent to create a battlefield to fight on. In space, their tactics were primarily offensive and focused on overwhelming force, and the same was true for the ground; in both cases, they were usually more than willing to bomb civilian targets or just gun down civilians when they got in the way. One of their trademark tactical moves was launching an invasion by dropping their ground force down from orbit riding Basilisk war droids, which would waste no time with deployment once troops hit the surface.
On a smaller scale, we can see many Mandalorian squads or individual troopers emphasizing a great deal mobility and disruption tactics, something their famous jetpacks and varied arsenals aided with. This let them hit hard and fast, breaking up enemy formations and confusing their opposition. There seemed to be a focus on individual skill, rather than finely honed teamwork; while they could fight and move as a team, we can see a lot of times where Mandalorians seemed to fight independent of each other. Generally, Mandalorians seemed to pride themselves on being do-anything warriors, rather than individually specialized soldiers. One could reasonable expect any given Mandalorian to be able to fight, pilot ships, slice security, perform acts of sabotage or demolition, or perform reconnaissance. This would be something their glory seeking culture would emphasize. And while Mandalorians did emphasize a certain amount of honor in combat, it wasn't what some would consider conventional. Ambushes, hit-and-run tactics, terror tactics, and more could all be reasonably considered to be options on the table for a Mandalorian. Ultimately, they were ruthless, well-equipped fighters that emphasize individual excellence, rather than fighting as unit. Not to say that they couldn't be well-coordinated and work precisely with one another. But many were often more ready to seek glory for themselves, than not.
The senate happened because the senate used the senate to influence the senate to create the senate, so that the senate may be formed into the first galactic senate, which was ultimately torn down by the slippery senates.
These "Dark" tactics and strategies are what become necessary when you are required to make up for horrendous tactical minds of the jedi generals who knew nothing of war or battlefield strategy or tactics.
They let people who had no understanding of military tactics get high ranks without the work. And I am not just talking about the jedi (though many had effective tactics with minimal casualties). People like Tarkin who has a mentality unstable individual. His methods were brute forcing your way through things, ship to ship broadsiding which is a last resort in navy warfare, expensive heavy weapons that only really work in very specialized conditions.
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It's kinda wild how much the perception of this franchise has changed since the prequels came out. Initially people laughed at the idea that anyone would be interested in intergalactic banking and politics and now there are in depth analyses for political and economic systems in the STAR Wars universe going back thousands of years.
It was mostly how bad the dialogue was that made the Senate scenes drag on. It really dragged down the middle of the phantom menace. But I always liked them not as good but not bad
I know right
It was a writing issue not a concept issue
@Comrade Sky All fair points. Duel of Fates and the non cringe moments of the podrace redeem episode 1 imo, episode 2 is a dumpster fire with few redeeming qualities, 3 ended on a high note and with minor tweaks could have been a good movie.
@Comrade Sky Agreed
Did anybody else notice the thumbnail of the Clone Trooper holding a baby in his arms crying and nobody mentioned it
Reminds me of Darman. But the Clone in the thumbnail is a regular white job, not a commando so idk maybe it's just one of those random occurrences in wartime and there is no actual story.
@Mike-Ike 767 same
That's a waxer move right there.
Yes, I noticed it
That image made me tear up a little bit
How to destroy the jedi:
Step 1: start a war that lasts for years.
Step 2: have them pick a side.
Step 3: watch them compromise to the point they are no lonher jedi.
I think we're all forgetting one key element: for the most part, the clones were fighting droids. They were soulless machines that almost seemed to reflect their own existence; to just fight and die. It would have angered them, and instilled a certain fear. So, they made their tactics more brutal. They weren't fighting living beings, and the line between droid and clone only seemed to be drawn at the flesh.
Basically, they quickly became desensitized to the violence against their enemy as their enemy showed a willingness to do whatever it took to win, and their enemy wasn't even alive. They also saw themselves in the droids, to an extent, and it both enraged and terrified them.
Then human officers seeing their clone subordinates and no different than the droids didn't help much either.
There were a lot of crossfire casualties that could have been avoided
Quite a bit of rebellious thoughts towards the end over that.
plus: always outnumbers, always outgunned makes you desperate. I just watch a documentary about the absolutely apocalyptic Battle of Berlin, the roads were so choked with rubble that soviet sappers were forced to literally blast away through the sub street cellars and engage in brutal CQB combat for every house and room, just to move forward. so this kind of thing isn't surprising when it's the entire galaxy at war.
@@JeanLucCaptain that sounds horrible. I like your name btw. Are you a star trek fan?
@@ashtonpeterson4618 😎 pre JJ/Disco. I love fan films as well because they have the LOVE that CBS won't provide.
All wars start out the same. The honorable battles and tactics, but soon the rot of war seeps through the armies ranks. The longer a war lingers the darker it gets.
Week 1: we killed some germans, they killed some of us, no big deal the goverment told us it'd be over by cristmas.
Week 78: we've been trapped in this hellhole for years and they already are using gas. My friend died of trench foot last week and no man's land is a mess. God help us f*cking halleluya!
I don't care
@@moth8775 You cared enough to comment. Dumb fuck :)
@@moth8775 whoa we got such a cool badass emo
Daladari the Loyal your right, the longer a war goes the more frightening and horrifying the weapons, strategies, and tactics get. The past two World Wars are good examples of this
“I find their tactics ineffective.”- Tarkin
Ik it's not really a joke, but I kinda chuckled a bit, lol
@Tron I actually think this gives a reason for a lot of Imperial Navy designs and doctrines, you can't beat the CIS droid fighters, so your best bet is to knock out their carriers. The droid fighters are largely battery driven and lack hyperdrives, lightspeed out of the area then return a day or two later to mop up the offlined droid fighters. The Star Destroyers are all built around killing other capital ships, let the TIE fighters handle defenses until you can down the enemy carriers or base, and get out, it's the perfect ship in the wrong war.
@Tron I find your lack of punctuation disturbing.
@@lordfrostwind3151 "it's the perfect ship in the wrong war."
Isn't that how it goes? The military always fighting the last war.
@tron Han said it, "That shot was one in a million kid." Tarkin getting blown up on the death star had nothing to do with effectiveness. He didn't plan the death star anyway...I loled at the description of the tactics as Reven-esque...
Even the early tactics seem better than the ones used during the Battle of Alderan in the SWTOR Hope trailer where the Republic Troopers not only charged at lightsaber wielding SITH LORDS but also did so by giving up the High Ground.
the force allows a user to sense danger. there was an army of force using sith. they wouldn't have much of an ambush as you would think. to stay at range so sith could deflect your own blaster bolts back at you would be suicide.
they had to close at the start and battle at close range.
similar to the geonosian battle in EP II.
In EP II, The droids closed with the jedi. Resulting in only 30 of the 212 attacking jedi survived.
in SWTOR, the alderaanian troops won.
@@aegis0302 but running at the space wizards with laser swords that can cut through most things... such as human bodies is even more suicide.
@@aegis0302 just because someone wins doesn't mean they had good strategy (real life example is the Crimean War) and Havoc Squad were getting decimated before Satile Shan showed up.
@@Jedi_Spartan wait. what?! they win but they suck?! wtf?
the original premise was that the troops gave up ambush advantage and high ground. I explained why they didn't have ambush advantage and why they had to close to which their tactic resulted in a win. Satile was close by, I'm pretty sure she was part of the plan. being the history in which Jedi usually lead, she probably came up w the plan.
1jedi plus troops vs. an army of sith, troops and droids.
you then say running at sith is even more suicide than staying at distance and trying to ambush.
no running at them is not more suicidal.
They WON by running at them! the plan worked!
@@aegis0302 but they were getting slaughtered before Shan saved their ass.
I also think Palpatine used the later Clone Wars battles as a vetting process for Non-clone non-Jedi officers. Officers like Tarkin rapidly rose through the ranks because they used brutality, terror, and ruthless efficiency as their primary warfare strategies, tools useful for keeping the Empire in power, and it’s subjects afraid. Tarkin is one who thinks excessive brutality is the same as skillful strategy, which is why he never cared about casualties under his command as long as they were effective on the objective.
not necessarily by that time grievous already made his brutal and most devastating offensive besides coruscant Operation durges lance. he bombarded multiple planets ,released bioweapons wiping out large city planets similar to coruscant. most non jedi and non clone officers were out for blood and the clones finally having free hand to crush the seps happily followed these orders . the jedi protested but given how Terrible they were as officers and the seperatist leader was a former jedi they looked more and more like treacherous scum
The fact is that it is the way of the war. In times of peace the army and its efficiency erodes while in times of war they are become stronger. Thanks to Sidious this ruthlessness was expanded upon and so the Imperial navy was born.
I also like that in legends and canon Thrawn is the combinance of both and yet much more witch makes him so effective and minimalize the number of casulities.
I really like clones. just the look so good.
way better than first order troops
@@geetslys droids kind of trump them both though, tbh...
Clones are superior to any trooper (especially idiotic Stormtroopers)
@Tron The first order are just a bunch of rogues
They killed the Jedi fuck them
Lives on a sea world, sucks at building a navy
Sea warfare and space warfare are completely different. Plus it is almost the norm that a faction controls an entire planet so no wars between nations. Also water navy ships are obsolete in star wars because any idiot with a spaceship or fighter can simply destroy it.
@@marrqi7wini54 I'm pretty sure ASM is just playing at a goofy coincidence. I'm sure they understand the difference between space and sea warfare.
Zerebrat Eightyseven To be honest most of their crafts are underwater.
Amber Hoke you are overestimating our soldiers
I don't doubt a modern infantry platoon could wreck a platoon of clone or storm troopers...
But I think we'd have a problem with the fighters and capital ships.
No amount of tactics will let you do anything to a fighter that can shrug off your armaments entirely. XD
Anti-alien extremists? Thought humanity should come first? Those Pius Dea guys kinda sound like Generation Tech...
Lol
Humanity first
They look like the space KKK
Anyone from Cerberus?
Humanity First!
The Clone Wars evolved because the Senate was in control.
He is the Senate
Lozenger Not yet
Kenetic Kups Are you threatening me, master Jedi?
A 13 year-old Mongolian boy the senate will decide your fate
Palpatine McSenateFace Not yet
3:51 ....Individual soldiers would split up into smaller units......
TROOPER! DEPLOY YOUR RIGHT LEG OVER THERE ON THE FORWARD FRONT AND YOUR LEFT ARM ON THAT FLANK! DO IT NOW!
(that actually "does" sound like the Clone Wars...)
If you read that in the clone voice it’s 100x more hilarious
Underated
I wanna like this comment but it's at 66 likes... (17 July 2020)
Please don't like it! We need to keep it at 66 likes!
Someone Get Redsun to read this
Says, "AT-TE" proceeds to show picture of an AT-AT walker from the Empire.
AT-TDHZJDJNDOS I'M DNDJKENJXJSV1NSJ
the republic had some experimental at at walkers but they werent as beefy as the imperial ones
Because the Republic was already the Empire in everything but name by the end of the war.
Then when it became the Empire it was the late clone wars Republic but worse
4:01 Those AT-TEs look a little funny...
They didn't skip leg day this time
growth spurts
Long answer: palpatine
Short answer: palpatine
The accurate answer : The Senate ( aka Palpatine )
All answers: *P a l p a t i n e*
The long answer is Sheev "Sidious" Palpatine
*short answer: space KKK*
*long answer: e m p e r o r p a l p i t o a d*
@@501ststormtrooper9 execute order 66
Who's excited for the next season of clone wars😍
We all are
Disney betta not fuck it up
Corey Day it’s the same people working on it it I just hope they don’t make it kid like like the first couple of seasons
@Blixem I bet 20 bucks they don't
@@Cozza69 oh... they will... _they will..._
I can't wait until season 7 of the clone wars
Well, just because the Republic Officers, especially Tarkin, acted on their own accords, Palpatine did specifically choose those over certain others. However, I also believe that Palpatine deliberately pulled the Separatists’ strings in order for the Republic to Retaliate accordingly. Basically, Palpatine went no further than six degrees of separation; coaxing problems in order to bring out solutions & such.
more like the republics tactic just go a hell lot more realistic, war is never about being benevolent, its suppose to be dark
War favors the cruel and cunning. It also makes for quick promotions, suddenly putting people like Tarkin into high positions. The perfect strategy for priming a republic to transition into an empire.
That's the point of these details being in the story. The republic started out unprepared for war and ended up becoming harsher but also more effective towards the end. It's not unrealistic to show people trying to keep their morals in war, as long as it's shown that doing so won't necessarily lead them to winning that war.
Sounds like the GAR evolved just how not only Sideous planned but exactly as he predicted theyd go. Not that it was avoidable. Long, brutal, bloody wars like this require both sides to start however they feel but if they are ultimately going to win they have to be willing to do whatever that requires. Sacrifices have to be made. War is Hell for reason. They may very well have been sickened an heavily regretted the things they did. But that's what they joined up for, an in the Clones case literally bred and born into. An one in that situation has to do whatever it takes. War isn't won by always playing nice the longer it goes on. An the longer that went the more an more worse each woulda became depending on how much they intended to win. It's as much a "what will you do an how far will you go" to win it as actually doing it
I am so glad the modding community of EaW, particularily FoC Republic at War, reflected exactly the shortcomings you mentioned in the video. The lack of starfighters early tech level vs lucrehulks can be hella frustrating.
buy bombers doesnt which ones and bomb the damn hangars before the entire map is infested with vultures
1:14 That looks like a base you'd see on Dromund Kaas in SWTOR. It looks so Imperial even though it's still the Republic
That battlefront intro always get's my nostalgia up
0:25 poor Clone bet he was batched and three days later died on Utapau
The longer the war goes on, the less amount of veternans you have that want to figth.
The clone on the thumbnail is caring for a crying baby........war is hell
It's another Waxer then
Bruh you just stole my comment
"war... War never changes."
@@kenjivizsla4949 no
“War is war and hell is hell, and if by the both are similar.” (Did I get the quote right?)
The reason Palpatine could make an Empire was because the Republic was just a step away from that point by the end of the Clone Wars. All it took was one perfectly timed “terrorist coup” from the Jedi to make the people welcome the final transition.
I hope the new clone template is William zapka. Instead of them saying "BLASTEM" they say "PUT EM IN A BODY BAG"
Live to fight another day
boys, live to fight another day.
Rest in peace Hardcase. His armor was sick but his character was beautiful
I have trouble understanding how in starwars they were able to travel the whole galaxy but not build more sophisticated droids. In our reality were closer to building super smart and efficient robots than we are to building huge fleets of star destroyers.
Because if the droids got smarter then they'd turn on the CIS... they were very much aware of that fact and kept the droids under heavily restrictive programs or hinder them with programming weaknesses.
Bc star wars is a product of the 70s and lucas' appreciation of flash gordon 50s scifi
Clones are the real heroes.
Order 66???
Edward Baeg What with it? Quite a lot of clones refused to execute it, some of which didn't even remove their chips. Yes, on the large scale of the whole Grand Army it was just a few of them, but it was a big number of early rebels when the GA is out of consideration.
@@edwardbaeg7141 they did that because IT was an order
@@Potato79207 actually they had a bio chip that forced them to obey that order
A good soldier is a soldier who Takes and acomplishes Orders without asking Questions
I always disliked the Jedi using a disposable clone army, just made to fight and die. It never seemed "Jedi like" but I guess that's the point to show how far the Jedi had fallen and put aside their morals and Jedi teachings.
Yeah, and the fact that it's our boi Obi-Wan Kenobi who is the one to find the clone army and goes along with the "purchase" just drives that home. You're rooting for these guys even while you're being shown how they've fallen.
To be fair, what is the clone army gonna do if nobody purchases them
Man that thumbnail is depressingly sad 😢 proves clones had more ❤ then most Jedi, alien species have a right to live peacefully to
I love all these republic wars, including the crusades.
i mean star wars is a story about fascism from the start, and even without the sith, imperialist tactics would’ve appealed to a desperate republic and civilians
“The Tactics sure changed. The uniforms were first a part of a shock tactic that didn’t work against droids since they didn’t get effected by morale. In fact, I wrote a little presentation that got some things for the scouts of my battalion, including more equipment and camouflage patterns to paint on. Around that time, all the scouts in the army started putting camouflage paint of many varieties, and sharpshooters, then entire regiments. Yep. I contributed to the movement that those damn Kaminoans put on us. If you think about it, they weren’t better than the people sending droids to cut us down.” ARF/CT-8711-12 “Cheng”, Captain And Scout of the 442nd Siege Battalion
that prtrait of moff is really nice
Why CIS tactics became lighter near the end of the Clone Wars.
Dude, you can't just give me Battlefront flashbacks like that!
Are there any notable militia groups from the clone wars?
Emmanuel Morris There were many. The Jabiimi Nationalists, the Onderon Militia, the Umbaran Military, the Korun Resistance... the list goes on
@@GeneralGrievous-1138 The Umbaran Military especially. Their tactics were so good, they gave the Republic a run for their money during the battle of Umbara.
thank you
Cham Syndulla's Free Ryloth is another significant one, that was revived to fight the Empire.
@@CABRALFAN27 And the onderonians became the partisans under Saw gurerera.
Talks about the ATTE, shows picture of ATAT
I didn't think about this until now I've rewatched the series 3 times lol
Anything:
Geetsly's: DARK
Tbh id like to see a video on that clone in the thumbnail
10:03 Yeah, because that makes sence for an army that gets increasingly outnumbered as the war progresses. I'm guessing this is EU-material?
Well if ya watched that far you should know that by now
I hate Tarkin so much more every time I learn something new about him. He is single-handedly responsible for so many needless and senseless atrocities, all of which were committed in the name of order at whatever cost necessary - an pathetic excuse of an ideology forced onto him by a psychopath of a father while he was just a child.
This may be an older video, but it's still a good and entertaning one. And it's very helpful for writting dialgou for the people of Kuat Drive Yards when they explain to Yoda and others who are picking up the ships and equipment for the First Battle of Geonosis who they developed the vechcials and ships used for the GAR in a fanfic I'm currently working on. So thank you for being a big help to me, Geetsly. As always.
Also, Ii'm the 500th comment on this video. Cool. :)
Can you even imagine if men like Tarkin and Yularen were given control of the seperatist army? If Dooku personally held them in correspondence? Devastating.
Sooo one of the ads that just played for me here is for the movie coming out "Nobody" idk if anybody remembers but Nobody was the super hero in the early 2000's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles show that inspired Mikie to become Turtle Titan
Please no more depressing thumbnails. Clone troopers already go through enough. We don’t want to see them sad.
Simple, dirty tactics works
So basically the Jedi, contrary to what is often said, didn't really ruin to military. They just inherited such a shitshow even they couldn't entirely fix it. And then Tarkin and his like, backed by palps of course, pushed it into outright war-crime territory.
i still never understood why their assault ships would not barrage the shit out of the gun emplacements in the second invasion of geonosis. they lost SO MANY LAAT's and tanks to the flak it was honestly hard to watch. obv im talking about the emplacements outside of the shield, of which there were many.
Dang that thumbnail made me shed a tear
None of the tactics mattered if Palpatine decided which battles were won or lost before they started
I wonder what would happen to the republic had thrawn as a general
My fanfic thrawn joined palpatine during the clone wars
Palps would have done something, he would have won the war in thier favor.
Same reason America dropped the Atomic bombs on Japan. Japan never would've quit, the world was sick of fighting a war and it was guaranteed to end the war almost instantly
Nagasaki was unnecessary because they already declared to give up
Now change Republic tactics for American Tactics and it still works
What do you mean it got dark without Sith influence? Chancellor Palpatine was one of the most powerful Sith and controlled all of the Republic
Play it 1.25 play back speed it sounds better
The GAR were fighting machines. Tell me how do you apply Geneva Conventions to an enemy that is machine?
Tlking about 'imperial brutality' while showing Nataasi Daala murdering all the remaining imperial warlords.
2:02 di you spot their flag its
First Order!!!!! Hmm. Now Second Order???
The late stage republic is just the ideals of pius dea crusades coming back too life.
I love the intro to your videos
You know, kinda funny how Empire pretty much did completely away with using droid fighters in favor of bigger, bulkier, and manned Ties now that we have prequels and everything.
I like how you say that there was little Sith manipulation involved, because that is exactly what Sidious would want you to believe ;P
The Sith appointed the Admirals who assigned the officers.
6:22 Can we take a moment to appreciate Adi Gallia for all of her hard work?
A clone would probably care about the battle tactics that sends them to their deaths. They wouldn't care about obirital bombardment if it meant saving a bunch of their jedi officers and clone brothers.
The clones were bred to follow orders. Whether that means sacrificing themselves or fulfilling a base delta zero (orbital bombardment). They were unquestioning, but not entirely to the point of droids.
Love those Elite AT-St's in the first picture they are badass as well at the AT-MP and the Elite version of it I wish they would make it into some movie or show etc and not just a mobile they are awesome as well as those Dark Trooper. (Wait a minute is that some picture from Star wars commander)
What does one expect when prolonged war desensitised everyone involved to the horror surrounding them.
I remember the star wars game at 00:5
It was clash of clans but replaced with star wars
And you chose sides
So I’m guessing the roblox roleplaying server is dead? So much for Geetslys gaming network.
If you're forced to fight a war, fight to win. Then fight in such a way that the next ten guys you have to fight think twice and again before they force you to fight them.
Am I the only one or does the insignia at 1:56 look like the first order one...
Well that was the plan, this was a war of conversion, just as revan did in but in a whole new level
I always believed it was because the Republic was tired of war. I mean think about it by the time of the Outer Rim Sieges the Republic had been at war with the CIS for almost 3 years. During those 3 years the citizens of the Galaxy had seen some of the worst fighting ever in their entire lives with war crimes being committed almost daily. The Republic realized with the start of the Outer Rim Sieges that victory was on the horizon and it was going to do anything to claim even if it meant abandoning what moral principles it had left.
What are mandalorian tactics? Not just against the jedi and not just against the sith either. What are their tactics against every other alien species that they fought against, especially in the mandalorian wars? My question is why are they the most superior Warriors within the Galaxy when we don't even have have any info on how they fight, anywhere in legends or Canon. Because I think it takes more than just a suit of armor and a bunch of fancy gadgets to make someone a superior war fighter.
Maringer86 We do have Legends info on their tactics, actually. It focused on heavy firepower and brute force, with their technology (heavy blaster weapons, armor, Basilisk war droids, and warships) being the backbone of all their strategies. Oftentimes they would just outright destroy entire or large swaths of worlds, using nuclear weaponry or turbolaser bombardment to glass them; at one point, their plans for an invasion of Kashyyyk involved glassing an entire continent to create a battlefield to fight on. In space, their tactics were primarily offensive and focused on overwhelming force, and the same was true for the ground; in both cases, they were usually more than willing to bomb civilian targets or just gun down civilians when they got in the way. One of their trademark tactical moves was launching an invasion by dropping their ground force down from orbit riding Basilisk war droids, which would waste no time with deployment once troops hit the surface.
On a smaller scale, we can see many Mandalorian squads or individual troopers emphasizing a great deal mobility and disruption tactics, something their famous jetpacks and varied arsenals aided with. This let them hit hard and fast, breaking up enemy formations and confusing their opposition. There seemed to be a focus on individual skill, rather than finely honed teamwork; while they could fight and move as a team, we can see a lot of times where Mandalorians seemed to fight independent of each other. Generally, Mandalorians seemed to pride themselves on being do-anything warriors, rather than individually specialized soldiers. One could reasonable expect any given Mandalorian to be able to fight, pilot ships, slice security, perform acts of sabotage or demolition, or perform reconnaissance. This would be something their glory seeking culture would emphasize. And while Mandalorians did emphasize a certain amount of honor in combat, it wasn't what some would consider conventional. Ambushes, hit-and-run tactics, terror tactics, and more could all be reasonably considered to be options on the table for a Mandalorian.
Ultimately, they were ruthless, well-equipped fighters that emphasize individual excellence, rather than fighting as unit. Not to say that they couldn't be well-coordinated and work precisely with one another. But many were often more ready to seek glory for themselves, than not.
@@dungeonguy88 that was the very detailed answer i was looking for, thank you very much.
Kamino is a water planet they should have some dope naval tactics 🤔🤷♂️
Good job 👍
I want to go home, but I don’t know where home is. There is no place for a Clone...
Screw the Jedi, you are guys are living beings to me
Why did Tarkin, and Yularen, not start to direct Republic Naval policy to adress the failures of the Camino cloners?
The senate happened because the senate used the senate to influence the senate to create the senate, so that the senate may be formed into the first galactic senate, which was ultimately torn down by the slippery senates.
Warcrimes may be illegal, but God Damn are they effective
They aren't really, you want to be kind to your enemies so they surrender and don't fight to the death
ah you can tell its a greetsly video when it has the word DARK in it.
1:53 Where is this image taken from? Also, I have noticed, that Pius Dear symbol looks a lot like certain fundamentalist group's symbol...
If only the Pius Dea dealt with those unsanctioned psykers sooner then it would be the Imperium of man instead of the republic.
These "Dark" tactics and strategies are what become necessary when you are required to make up for horrendous tactical minds of the jedi generals who knew nothing of war or battlefield strategy or tactics.
I just think the same, Jedi generals sucks a giving order to the clones (basically just charge at the enemy for 7 straight seasons).
Why are there 2 videos?
Can it be said that through multiple visits to see Palpatine that the dark side might of influenced or altered ones perceptions and logic?
They let people who had no understanding of military tactics get high ranks without the work. And I am not just talking about the jedi (though many had effective tactics with minimal casualties). People like Tarkin who has a mentality unstable individual. His methods were brute forcing your way through things, ship to ship broadsiding which is a last resort in navy warfare, expensive heavy weapons that only really work in very specialized conditions.
It's explained the entire republic was being influenced by the Dark Side.
Person: "Why republic war tactics got dark?"
Me: "It all starts on a jungle world with a young sap bearing the most British name in sci fi"
They downloaded the 1 credit per second plus 2 other changes mod for EAW
xD very funny dude
Gotta love EaW mods
I miss the army or the old republic. Good times
Everyone is great at fighting the last war, but in this case, nobody remembered it.