Yes I agree. I wish Cartoon Network hadn’t dumbed down Star Wars so much and made the sith/separatist a joke. Dude killed over a hundred Jedi in legends and you’re telling me wimpy little padawan Asoka could defeat him every time when grievous killed Jedi masters like Shak Tii
@@Lawrence_Talbot Whats Sad is Lucas wanted Grievous to be a foreshadow to Anakin becoming Vader but canon actually does a better job of that than Canon does. I respect George and his opinions but I still believe the Legends Grievous better represented a proto-Vader than canon Grievous did.
@Pat did you ever read the clone wars comics? He gets flushed out a lot more in there, as well as we start to see a skins darker side come out. I really wish the show took inspiration from the comics. They were much darker when it came to the atrocities of the Jedi, as well as did a better job flushing out characters such as Ventris’s fall to the dark side, Mace Windu being darker and more powerful than what’s shown, and showing the overall toll the war had on the Jedi/showing the battle droids to be a lot more deadlier
@@Lawrence_Talbot yeah Legends Grievous even beat the shit out of Ventress and Durge while suffering little damage to himself. He offered to jettison both combatants but Dooku refused. And while Durge has a healing factor, the ass whooping he got required extra bacta tanks to recover.
Yea they should of had leaned into the cybernetics with multiple lieutenants under him. Each of them could still be the minor threat of the week while also giving us something different. Also I know that metal gear rising already did it but I think that the Jedi hearing the death cries of people who aren't in control of themselves would fit better especially with order 66 eventually coming. Plus as long as they were half decent I think that they could have sold the models of 4-6 villains. Would also balance some star wars games better to.
“Remember what I taught you General. If you are to defeat the best of the Jedi, you must have fear, surprise, and intimidation on your side. For if any one of these are lacking, it would be best for you to retreat. You must break them before you engage them. Only then will you achieve victory, and claim your trophy.” -Count Dooku
“So many of my brothers insisted that they would be the one to fell that hunk of metal and organs. After many legions of them didn’t come back, it became apparent that he was someone to be avoided, whether he was in the bridge of a ship, directing the chaos of the battlefield, or within arm’s length. Crazy how that Jedi master bested him in a one-on-one.” -CS/CT-8711-12 “Cheng”, Captain and Scout of the 442nd Siege Battalion
He was the perfect Clone Wars character After all who else would respond to Obi Wan’s “Hello there” with “General Kenobi” and consistently flee from any character with plot armor? Darth Tyrannus? I don’t think so.
"You Jedi may believe it to be the will of the force, but I see through your Jedi lies, I know what it truly is, this plot armor your generals exert, it's far more powerful than any other Jedi art I've seen"
I liked animated Clone Wars Grievous in any scene without a main character. You really got to see Grievous at full potential when his opponent doesnt have plot armor. Even when losing against the Gungans or winning against a naive padawan, Grievous instilled a cold, aggressive anger to those around him. Even though the gungans knew their emps would disable him, you can see their nervousness when he did not hesitate to fight while disadvantaged.
@@ben3129 I completely disagree. People act as if Grievous was blatantly overpowered by Gungans, which is not the case. It makes perfect sense why Grievous lost. Grievous' weakness is his aggression. Most of the time he fails to think situations through, he's not calculative he's a brute. A skilled brute, and tactical sometimes, but he has a brute mindset nonetheless. He rushed the gungans without thinking, got outsmarted and blasted by several dozen EMPs. Nothing he could've done.
In my headcanon there is a perfect hybrid of both the 2003 and 2008 versions of Grievous: with 2008’s personality (but with a lot more backbone) and 2003’s fighting prowess.
If i was a Star Wars writer i would make him exactly like this, i was even thinking of making a series called Grievous where he's the protagonist and tell his story in the clone wars from his point of view going also in depth with his psychology, including his hatred toward the Jedi and his elationship with both Ventress and Dooku.
One weakness Thrawn has which Grievous no longer has is his people. Grievous could hold Chiss as captives or siege chiss worlds and force Thrawn to surrender for the sake of his people the ones he dedicated his life to protect
Ah yes I have been trained in your jedi arts.... By count Dooku. *I mean come on we love him, he can quad-weild weapons, has collections, and is meancing*
Oh no, he can theoretically use SIX at once. At one point during the Battle of Coruscant in Labyrinth of Evil, he doesn't split his arms into 4 but instead activates repulsorlifts so he can use two lightsabers in his arms and two in his legs.
Grievous had another weakness you missed. In the novels, Count Dooku during training constantly criticized Grievous for being TOO aggressive in lightsaber combat. Grievous did not know how to pace himself, conserve movement, and fight a longer term lightsaber battle. It's why Obi-Wan and other Jedi Masters tended to beat out Grievous in lightsaber duels. Grievous did not listen to Dooku's advice to not always be 100‰ aggressve, and to instead focus on slowly breaking apart his Jedi enemies bit by bit. To tire them out, grind down their defenses, and be more calculating. Count Dooku blamed himself for this flaw in Grievous' lightsaber training and trained other apprentices to avoid this flaw that Grievous had.
In a way yes his reasoning is justified but in reality he is a heartless killer he isn't an anti-villian he is a psychopath who felt no remorse. it kinda like overhaul from my hero academia people sympathize with him but in reality he didn't care about his father figure he didn't care about eri he knew exactly what he did
@@geetslys They still are, both in chill and awesomeness factors. But next time, they better understand the motives of both sides BEFORE doing things like sanctions and occupations.
@@michaelandreipalon359 exactly it why I enjoy villains more than heroes because when it comes to their reasons it understandable but it what they do is unforgivable
@@quantemwensday Being drunk is like being stupid and crazy at the same time. The way to predict their next move is to figure out what would be the most obvious move if one had neither self preservation nor a fear of failure.
Pretty sure Grievous would've actually won the clone wars, had Sidious not favored the republic. The amount of times he had to halt Grievous's progress in the war, best shows just how much of a force Grievous was.
I disagree. Tartakovsky's Grievous's entire introduction scene, where his army is destroying a downed acclamator only to instantly stop at a wordless command, all the way to fighting multiple jedi masters at once and not even breaking a sweat is excellent characterization. It establishes that Grievous is the pinnacle of the CIS's military. He's a brilliant strategist ("Never have we been out-maneuvered by droids. His strategy is without flaw"), a ruthless killer ("Know that I, General Grievous, am not completely without mercy. I will grant you a warrior's death"), and most importantly, when he talks shit, he actually has the skill to back it up (I would use another quote here, but when Grievous is kicking ass, he's dead silent because he doesn't have to say anything). When Grievous was reduced to a Saturday morning cartoon villain who twirls his mustache and runs away, it was a reduction of everything his character had previously been established to be. He was a mediocre strategist in command of idiots and he lost every fight he had. The drastic shift from Tartakovsky's Grievous to Lucas's Grievous is why people think the first is the best: Tartakovsky's Grievous is a real villain. He's a real threat. How often did you feel Lucas's Grievous was an actual threat to the main characters?
Although we never saw it in the animated series, he singlehandedly forced the Republic out of many worlds and outright dominated them until the last years of the war.
General Grievous is my favorite star wars character, I really love his menacing voice, his menacing appearance, and his brutal/cold hearted tactics. In my opinion, he is the prime example of a menacing and heartless antagonist.
This video made me realize just how different the characterizations of Legends and Canon Grievous are. Because I would argue that the Canon version of the character is actually more human than Vader, at least pre-Empire Strikes Back. While he still is cold, analytical and ruthless, he actively revels in this. He lashes out in anger, he's actively gleeful when he's winning, he even showed COMPASSION when mourning the death of Gor. If anything, Canon Grievous' biggest weakness (aside from plot armor and the incompetence of his subordinates) is his own insecurity. Though he would never admit, no matter how many Jedi he kills, no matter how many armies he crushes, his power will never truly be a match for the Force. And while that recognition of his own shortcomings did make him keenly aware of when it was better to cut his losses and fight another day, it also meant that he would often get caught up in the moment whenever he was winning, which would occasionally leave his prey an opportunity to counter or escape.
In Legends Grievous also shows mercy, he spared Shak Ti's life and came to respect various individuals such as: Lushros Dofine (his captain), the Jedi of Hypori (because he wanted to give them a "warrior death" instead of ordering his droids to annihilate them), he had great respect for Dooku seeing him as a mentor who saved him from death and gave him the opportunity to take revenge (which is why he seems to sadly say to Sidious that Dooku had died, although tragically this relationship It was one-sided because Dooku saw him only as a tool), Grievous also respected Wat Tambor a bit for the courage he showed during his escape from a maximum security prison of the Republic (this has nothing to do with TCW), and finally Grievous respected B'ink Utrila for not showing fear when he had almost defeated her and was going to die (this happened during the battle of Coruscant, and in fact he respected her so much that after killing her he did not take the lightsaber from she), this is not to mention that he decided to personally fight Obi Wan on Utapau even though his droids could have killed him in seconds.
First, I would definitely like to see more of these character profiles, maybe next could be Thrawn or Ackbar since you mentioned them here. Second, great video like always, Geetsly. However, the one flaw with it was including that episode in the Clone Wars where Grevious was beaten by Gungans. The rest of the clips from the series in the video either portrayed Grevious right or at least decently. It's not the fact that he lost to the Gungans, I mean they had him outnumber by a large margin, and as HK-47 pointed out when it comes to battling powerful Jedi when your that outnumber and being attacked from all sides, it doesn't matter how powerful you are you will be overwhelmed. The real problem with that episode is the fact that he only killed like 4 Gungans, he should have been able to kill at least 50 to 70 of them before they took him down.
Mace didn't crush his chest. He sent a force projection to his mind to show Grievous how lame his 2008 version of himself is. Poor guy was so ashamed he had a heart attack
Grievous in "Canon": Loses to Padawans, Gungans, and basically everyone Grievous in 2003: Kills a bunch of Jedi and uncountable clones single handed Grievous in Battlefront 2: 100 player killstreak, 2003 music starts playing...
@@ourempires6457 actualy yes, he lost to ahsoka in season 1 with his hand cutted, also younglings were all able to retreat from him in season 5. Wtf man
Every time I see that fight scene between Obi Wan and Grievous in RotS, I think about a Nick Gillard panel I attended. I went to the Star Wars Celebration shortly before RotS came out and the first panel I went to was with Nick Gillard. He talked about the lightsaber fights in all of the Star Wars movies, but more specifically the fights in RotS. He said that the fight that caused him the most annoyance was the one between Obi Wan and Grievous because of Grievous's 4 arms. It's been a very long time since the panel, but I think that the problem was coordination between the 4 lightsabers and making it look good. So Nick's solution: "Cut off 2 of the arms."
General grievous is my favorite character only thing I'd change is the clone wars more like the animated one and male him stop using his spinny move so much so when obi one gets surprised it make sence
10:53: There's Adm. Screed, co-commander of the Victory Fleet, co-defeater of the Bulwark Fleet, and former compatriot of Gen. Jan Dodonna. Oh, and a somewhat cartoonish fool in a cartoon we may or may not want to remember. Apologies if I had to say this.
They did my boy INSANELY dirty in the clone wars CGI show, there's literal interviews with the staff that decided to make him into a joke. I only recognize Legends Grievous.
Found really interesting how for part one of Metanerdz’s, Geetsly’s made a community post about Grievous and now when part 2 released he uploaded a full blown video dedicated to the character🤔
His best portrayal is still in the CW 2003, everything you said here just backs that up. He had the same cold blooded war monger’s domineer in that series, the only difference is that at least there he had the combat prowess and character introduction to back up the terror that he represented. The first rule of villain introduction is that, in order to truly convince your audience of the threat the villain presents, you should make them at least mostly successful in their first confrontation with the hero/heroes.
03 Grievous was too badass, he would have made it hard to write fights where he DIDN’T loose. Which wouldn’t work when you had him constantly fighting Obi Wan.
The only person he ever fights in Clone Wars is Obi-wan, who needs to stay alive for ROTS. Remember Massacre? There, he slapped Ventress who had to have her zombies save her, then slaughtered the Nightsisters without trouble. When 2008 Greivous isn't fighting characters with plot armour he's pretty badass
Appreciation posts of him happen once in a blue moon, and even then there will always be people in the comments saying “hE Is nOW a jOKe ” so let us have our fun xD
When grevious goes into centipede mode is very disturbing. I would jump into space seeing that but would stay and fight if he came swinging 4 lightsabers at me.
Grievous and Durge are my favorite characters from The Clone Wars era. They’re the embodiment of what it means to have an “over the top” character in a good way. An ancient alien bounty hunter comprised of nerves and muscles that he can extend like tentacles encased in, basically, power armor, that’s Durge. An acrobatic cyborg trained in all forms of lightsaber combat who isn’t even force sensitive, that’s Grievous. Both characters are badass in their own rights. Also, on a side note, Durge is officially gonna be canon again thanks to the War Of The Bounty Hunters comic series.
That's what i like about him. He's the absolute worst in every way there is not a respectable joint in his body, he might as well have a mechanical moustache to twirl. Which of course was Sidious's intent.
I know almost nothing about them, to the point where I kind of doubt your statement that they were just as good despite knowing it's probably true, so that would be excellent. Not that he's probably going to see this comment, but oh well.
@@samueldimmock694 Star Wars Insider did short biographies of each of the original twelve. It was called, "Who's Who, Imperial Grand Admirals", Grand Admiral Zaarin has an entire PC game about his duel with Thrawn, it's called TIE Fighter, the Essential Guide to Warfare has both a monologue from Grand Admiral Teshik and articles about the Grand Admirals. The game Hidden Empire tells about Grand Admiral Batch's TIE Phantom project. There's also a good channel called Star Wars Galactic Empire that does short videos on each Grand Admiral. Each of the Grand Admirals were dangerous in their own ways, Zaarin for instance nearly killed Palpatine, Vader and Thrawn during his Insurrection, he invented the TIE Avengers and Defenders. Teshik fought against the entire Rebel Fleet at Endor when the rest of the Imperials fled and lasted four hours against Ackbar's entire fleet in a single star destroyer, Grunger took over vast swaths of the Outer Rim when he went rogue, Pitta depopulated entire sectors, Tigellinus maneuvered himself into control of Imperial Oversector Center, Declann could use battle meditation, Takel could use precognition and light mind reading. Even Il-Raz was a master of propaganda and wiped out many worlds when he went nuts after Endor etc.
@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 I read Teshik's monologue and how he fought the Rebel Alliance, which was the main reason why I was hesitant to say that the other Grand Admirals couldn't match Thrawn. I also know the story of Zaarin's insurrection, but didn't know he was a Grand Admiral. Other than that, thank you for the information.
@@michaelandreipalon359 yeah, truly a shame how Labyrinth Of Evil isn’t talked as much as other EU novels, it would make a lot of people understand why Grievous is such a beloved character.
to fight monsters, you must sometimes create monsters of your own. many people considered the Jedi to be monsters, due to their actions leading up to the Clone Wars, and throughout it. General Grievous was the monster created to counter them. but his cybernetics were only half of the monster that he would come to be. as stated in the video, he became a monster slowly and subtly after watching his people being subjugated and enslaved. his close friend being killed was ultimately the catalyst that set things in motion past the point of no return. this was made worse when the Jedi got involved and started cutting down Grievous' people, who viewed the Jedi as monsters. Grievous would get his chance to get strike at the Jedi not long after that. even when he was recovering from Mace Windu using Force Crush on his chest, he was not to be taken lightly.
Grievous is my favourite character, but the problem I had with him is that he was described as this killing machine that multiple Jedi at once could not stop, yet we don't see that at all in the movies or the clone wars series. I feel like I was told 1 thing and shown the other.
Unfortunately the only characters he ever faces are characters you already know won't die. Greivous could go all out in 2003 Clone Wars against Mace Windu because ROTS hadn't come out yet, so his death couldn't be accounted for. When Greivous isn't fighting plot-armoured Obi-Wan he can still be a badass, like in the Clone Wars episode Massacre
I see him more as a joke in anything, but Gendi's version is more of a slasher villain. I understand why George Lucas wanted to modify him because he was basically Vader if he didn't have the force and better cyborgnetics. He wanted to make Grievous a more of a pure evil villain.
8:38: Maybe he was tired of all the Sithspit the war and Grievous himself had brought upon the Republic and the galaxy. So much for civility... and then things go from bad to nightmarishly worse later on. Poor guy.
Grievous’ problem in episode 3 I think was that he had this reputation for being this unstoppable Jedi killer, but we’re only told that, we never see him do anything to earn that reputation. He just runs away or gets defeated. We should have had a scene where grievous slaughters a group of Jedi and takes their lightsabers, then later in the fight with Orbi Wan we see he’s using their lightsabers against him, and maybe Obi Wan senses this too. Could’ve added a more fearsome appearance for him
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Wow, that was a really impressive, really thorough, and interesting analysis! THANK YOU! I absolutely HATE when people talk about how they ruined him for the movie and 2nd clone wars show! NO, they SAVED HIM! They changed him from EXACTLY what u said-basically Jason Voorhies, a totally one dimensional character with ZERO depth, and no character! Also, it’s just STUPID to make him more powerful than basically vader and palpatine COMBINED! It’s really sad and pathetic that anyone actually thinks that version is better! Hi is STRONGER, yes, absolutely, but stronger is only good to a point, and he seriously quadrupled it! AND it also just goes to show that those people don’t even realize what they’re complaining about! They always say they made him SO WEAK, and such a COWARD! First of all, he STILL always beats, and usually KILLS any Jedi that’s not a super strong council member(or Ashoka), so he’s STILL crazy strong, just a REASONABLE strong! He even took out the entire night sister clan while fighting Ventress, and eventually even killed mother Talzin!!! And just cause Mace Windu says he’s a coward and always runs away, doesn’t mean he IS! That’s just Windu being frustrated with him. He makes tactical retreats when he knows he’s bested! If that’s cowardice, than pretty much every Jedi, and every sith is a coward, too! He never runs cause he just scared, he runs cause he’s been beaten back, or because it’s tactically the right move! It’s just very frustrating how many people complain about something that isn’t even true, just because they I GUESS just aren’t paying any attention, or something, I dunno:/
Some random thought: Darth Maul is a Zabrak and Zabraks have TWO HEARTS and Kenobi's lightsaber just graced his chest so technically he could be still alive and probably will be if Disney continues milking the star wars franchise but nobody would expect him being alive again, again, am I right?
I just wish he wasn't a mustache-twirling villain who was CONSTANTLY talking. I liked him more when he could take on 6 Jedi at once, but I also loved how he rarely spoke. He really was a terrifying monster which is what I thought was part of his whole shtick. Nobody is afraid of someone who's main phrase is "I'll get you next time," as they are constantly running away.
The worst thing that happened to General Grievous is that in the 2003 he was a complete deadly machine that was actually able to take down a lot of Jedi. However, in the more recent animated Clone Wars, he was terrible in his sword fighting. He was less terrifying, less dangerous, and was overall able to kill like 2 Jedi in the entire series. Also, he seemed more cowardly than in the 2003 shows as he is always seen escaping instead of fighting to the death.
Almost like the 2003 version though it was less obvious (maybe nonexistent) in that incarnation of our cyborg boi. Does anyone ever wonder if he became a full cyborg after death? That would be cool to see a robot created to be like him
I just wish that no one would have interfered with grievous's objective of killing the soulless bugs(hak). It would've been fine and dandy if they would have let him finish his job of wiping out the bugs and avenging his lover.
I just love how in the clone wars every time He fights against obi wan you can see that obi wan really struggels to keep up. If Grevous would just try to kill him quickly, I belive he could during the clone wars
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I just wished he was shown to be a horrific killing machine as he was in the Clone Wars 2003. His introduction was amazing.
Yes I agree. I wish Cartoon Network hadn’t dumbed down Star Wars so much and made the sith/separatist a joke. Dude killed over a hundred Jedi in legends and you’re telling me wimpy little padawan Asoka could defeat him every time when grievous killed Jedi masters like Shak Tii
@@Lawrence_Talbot Whats Sad is Lucas wanted Grievous to be a foreshadow to Anakin becoming Vader but canon actually does a better job of that than Canon does. I respect George and his opinions but I still believe the Legends Grievous better represented a proto-Vader than canon Grievous did.
@Pat did you ever read the clone wars comics? He gets flushed out a lot more in there, as well as we start to see a skins darker side come out. I really wish the show took inspiration from the comics. They were much darker when it came to the atrocities of the Jedi, as well as did a better job flushing out characters such as Ventris’s fall to the dark side, Mace Windu being darker and more powerful than what’s shown, and showing the overall toll the war had on the Jedi/showing the battle droids to be a lot more deadlier
@@Lawrence_Talbot yeah Legends Grievous even beat the shit out of Ventress and Durge while suffering little damage to himself. He offered to jettison both combatants but Dooku refused. And while Durge has a healing factor, the ass whooping he got required extra bacta tanks to recover.
Yea they should of had leaned into the cybernetics with multiple lieutenants under him. Each of them could still be the minor threat of the week while also giving us something different. Also I know that metal gear rising already did it but I think that the Jedi hearing the death cries of people who aren't in control of themselves would fit better especially with order 66 eventually coming. Plus as long as they were half decent I think that they could have sold the models of 4-6 villains. Would also balance some star wars games better to.
“Remember what I taught you General. If you are to defeat the best of the Jedi, you must have fear, surprise, and intimidation on your side. For if any one of these are lacking, it would be best for you to retreat. You must break them before you engage them. Only then will you achieve victory, and claim your trophy.” -Count Dooku
“Wise consul my apperntice, most wise indeed”
“So many of my brothers insisted that they would be the one to fell that hunk of metal and organs. After many legions of them didn’t come back, it became apparent that he was someone to be avoided, whether he was in the bridge of a ship, directing the chaos of the battlefield, or within arm’s length. Crazy how that Jedi master bested him in a one-on-one.” -CS/CT-8711-12 “Cheng”, Captain and Scout of the 442nd Siege Battalion
He was the perfect Clone Wars character
After all who else would respond to Obi Wan’s “Hello there” with “General Kenobi” and consistently flee from any character with plot armor?
Darth Tyrannus? I don’t think so.
YES
He was the only smart one to recognise that even he can't hack through plot armor :D no matter how many lightsabers he had at the moment :P
Running from plot armor is the biggest galaxy brain move
"You Jedi may believe it to be the will of the force, but I see through your Jedi lies, I know what it truly is, this plot armor your generals exert, it's far more powerful than any other Jedi art I've seen"
I liked animated Clone Wars Grievous in any scene without a main character. You really got to see Grievous at full potential when his opponent doesnt have plot armor. Even when losing against the Gungans or winning against a naive padawan, Grievous instilled a cold, aggressive anger to those around him. Even though the gungans knew their emps would disable him, you can see their nervousness when he did not hesitate to fight while disadvantaged.
bruh that gungan episode is like the worst clone wars episode. absolute disrespect grevious receives is disgusting
@@ben3129 there's not much a robotic being can do when he is hit with multiple emps
@@ben3129 EMP's will do that to a non Force sensitive cyborg
@@ben3129 I completely disagree. People act as if Grievous was blatantly overpowered by Gungans, which is not the case. It makes perfect sense why Grievous lost.
Grievous' weakness is his aggression. Most of the time he fails to think situations through, he's not calculative he's a brute. A skilled brute, and tactical sometimes, but he has a brute mindset nonetheless.
He rushed the gungans without thinking, got outsmarted and blasted by several dozen EMPs. Nothing he could've done.
Agreed. The fear when Grievous figured out Jar Jar wasn't the gungan leader (do not recall what it was called) was cool.
In my headcanon there is a perfect hybrid of both the 2003 and 2008 versions of Grievous: with 2008’s personality (but with a lot more backbone) and 2003’s fighting prowess.
Sooo....the RoTS version? 😂
If i was a Star Wars writer i would make him exactly like this, i was even thinking of making a series called Grievous where he's the protagonist and tell his story in the clone wars from his point of view going also in depth with his psychology, including his hatred toward the Jedi and his elationship with both Ventress and Dooku.
@@SpartanChief17C no, ROTS version is weak af
Adding the 2008 Grievous to anything automatically makes it a million times worse. XD
@@benderthepirate How???
One weakness Thrawn has which Grievous no longer has is his people. Grievous could hold Chiss as captives or siege chiss worlds and force Thrawn to surrender for the sake of his people the ones he dedicated his life to protect
Very true!
And we all know Grievous wouldn’t hesitate to do it either.
Since he insist in wearing cloacks and having magnaguards to train as if they were kaleesh... Im not really sure
Not Legends Thrawn, who was so worried about the Yuuzhan Vong that he didn't really care about any lesser threats.
Ah yes I have been trained in your jedi arts.... By count Dooku. *I mean come on we love him, he can quad-weild weapons, has collections, and is meancing*
Oh no, he can theoretically use SIX at once. At one point during the Battle of Coruscant in Labyrinth of Evil, he doesn't split his arms into 4 but instead activates repulsorlifts so he can use two lightsabers in his arms and two in his legs.
Kenobi: and I trained the man who killed count dooku.
Vader: Has compasion, a hart and a sence of justice
Grievous: I don't have such weaknesses.
shut
*Compassion
*Heart
*Sense
To honest Grievous did get a chip implanted in his head to make him do the things he do, plus he’s a cyborg of course he get easily controlled
He also has an unconditional fetish of adding new lightsabers to his collection
lol
Grievous is a legend
General Grievous is one of my all time favorite Star Wars characters. I love his design his story and how he’s portrayed in all formats.
Grievous had another weakness you missed. In the novels, Count Dooku during training constantly criticized Grievous for being TOO aggressive in lightsaber combat. Grievous did not know how to pace himself, conserve movement, and fight a longer term lightsaber battle. It's why Obi-Wan and other Jedi Masters tended to beat out Grievous in lightsaber duels. Grievous did not listen to Dooku's advice to not always be 100‰ aggressve, and to instead focus on slowly breaking apart his Jedi enemies bit by bit. To tire them out, grind down their defenses, and be more calculating. Count Dooku blamed himself for this flaw in Grievous' lightsaber training and trained other apprentices to avoid this flaw that Grievous had.
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I like the fact that this is also implemented in battlefront 2 as grievous has the smallest stamina for lightsaber swings
@@ahhelp1819 which makes no sense considering he is a machine and thus beyond human weaknesses such as fatigue
@@cephalonbob15 He isn't a machine, he is a cyborg, he still has lungs, heart, brain and much more other things that may affect his performance.
The last time I was this early palpatine wasn’t even the senate yet
So 2004?
@@geetslys Jedi slime i will deal with you... myself.
The fact that people still make videos about him makes me so happy.
The saddest thing, when you read his story his hatred of the Jedi is 100% justified.
In a way yes his reasoning is justified but in reality he is a heartless killer he isn't an anti-villian he is a psychopath who felt no remorse. it kinda like overhaul from my hero academia people sympathize with him but in reality he didn't care about his father figure he didn't care about eri he knew exactly what he did
As usual, just because a character does have a sad backstory doesn't mean they deserve a second chance.
That's my take on characters like Grievous.
Jedi were NOT cool.
@@geetslys They still are, both in chill and awesomeness factors.
But next time, they better understand the motives of both sides BEFORE doing things like sanctions and occupations.
@@michaelandreipalon359 exactly it why I enjoy villains more than heroes because when it comes to their reasons it understandable but it what they do is unforgivable
This man needs to go on no smoking ads
That lady with the hole in her neck...
@@geetslys but you can do a lot of things with that extra hole... ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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I feel that he was good because of one reason: "Anti-Hello There" He was the perfect combatant to Obi-One.
Grievous: Defeats a bunch of Jedi
Also Grievous: Gets taken down by a few drunken pirates
LOL, they almost got him.
And some Gungans
being drunk is like being stupid or crazy
you can't predict what those types of people will do
@@quantemwensday Yes you can.
@@quantemwensday Being drunk is like being stupid and crazy at the same time. The way to predict their next move is to figure out what would be the most obvious move if one had neither self preservation nor a fear of failure.
Pretty sure Grievous would've actually won the clone wars, had Sidious not favored the republic.
The amount of times he had to halt Grievous's progress in the war, best shows just how much of a force Grievous was.
Legends Grievous will always be the definitive version of the character to me.
It's like that for SO many characters...
@@geetslys As it should be, for Disney and the 2008 Clone Wars show are both trash. XD
@@MRDLT00 No.
@@abdullahal-sharif8640 Yes
@@MRDLT00 the 2008 show is not trash.
I disagree. Tartakovsky's Grievous's entire introduction scene, where his army is destroying a downed acclamator only to instantly stop at a wordless command, all the way to fighting multiple jedi masters at once and not even breaking a sweat is excellent characterization. It establishes that Grievous is the pinnacle of the CIS's military. He's a brilliant strategist ("Never have we been out-maneuvered by droids. His strategy is without flaw"), a ruthless killer ("Know that I, General Grievous, am not completely without mercy. I will grant you a warrior's death"), and most importantly, when he talks shit, he actually has the skill to back it up (I would use another quote here, but when Grievous is kicking ass, he's dead silent because he doesn't have to say anything).
When Grievous was reduced to a Saturday morning cartoon villain who twirls his mustache and runs away, it was a reduction of everything his character had previously been established to be. He was a mediocre strategist in command of idiots and he lost every fight he had. The drastic shift from Tartakovsky's Grievous to Lucas's Grievous is why people think the first is the best: Tartakovsky's Grievous is a real villain. He's a real threat.
How often did you feel Lucas's Grievous was an actual threat to the main characters?
Ah yes, because launching a full scale invasion on the core of the republic and kidnapping the chancellor is a small tactical feat.
In terms of Grievous’ power, he should have been represented as something between 2003 TCW and 2007 TCW.
Skills of 2003 and character of 2008
BOOM
Perfect Grievous
@@MominEnjoyer I couldn’t agree more.
So... Clone Wars Multimedia Project Grievous?
Although we never saw it in the animated series, he singlehandedly forced the Republic out of many worlds and outright dominated them until the last years of the war.
General Grievous is my favorite star wars character, I really love his menacing voice, his menacing appearance, and his brutal/cold hearted tactics. In my opinion, he is the prime example of a menacing and heartless antagonist.
Labyrinth of evil revenge novel agreed completely
This video made me realize just how different the characterizations of Legends and Canon Grievous are. Because I would argue that the Canon version of the character is actually more human than Vader, at least pre-Empire Strikes Back. While he still is cold, analytical and ruthless, he actively revels in this. He lashes out in anger, he's actively gleeful when he's winning, he even showed COMPASSION when mourning the death of Gor. If anything, Canon Grievous' biggest weakness (aside from plot armor and the incompetence of his subordinates) is his own insecurity. Though he would never admit, no matter how many Jedi he kills, no matter how many armies he crushes, his power will never truly be a match for the Force. And while that recognition of his own shortcomings did make him keenly aware of when it was better to cut his losses and fight another day, it also meant that he would often get caught up in the moment whenever he was winning, which would occasionally leave his prey an opportunity to counter or escape.
In Legends Grievous also shows mercy, he spared Shak Ti's life and came to respect various individuals such as: Lushros Dofine (his captain), the Jedi of Hypori (because he wanted to give them a "warrior death" instead of ordering his droids to annihilate them), he had great respect for Dooku seeing him as a mentor who saved him from death and gave him the opportunity to take revenge (which is why he seems to sadly say to Sidious that Dooku had died, although tragically this relationship It was one-sided because Dooku saw him only as a tool), Grievous also respected Wat Tambor a bit for the courage he showed during his escape from a maximum security prison of the Republic (this has nothing to do with TCW), and finally Grievous respected B'ink Utrila for not showing fear when he had almost defeated her and was going to die (this happened during the battle of Coruscant, and in fact he respected her so much that after killing her he did not take the lightsaber from she), this is not to mention that he decided to personally fight Obi Wan on Utapau even though his droids could have killed him in seconds.
One of my favorite star wars villains and a great character and his training with dooku served him well and awarded him many trophies.
Guys please know that the fact this channel is run by Grievous sympathizers gives me life & I love it. My fave angry blender
My favorite prequel villain
First, I would definitely like to see more of these character profiles, maybe next could be Thrawn or Ackbar since you mentioned them here.
Second, great video like always, Geetsly. However, the one flaw with it was including that episode in the Clone Wars where Grevious was beaten by Gungans. The rest of the clips from the series in the video either portrayed Grevious right or at least decently.
It's not the fact that he lost to the Gungans, I mean they had him outnumber by a large margin, and as HK-47 pointed out when it comes to battling powerful Jedi when your that outnumber and being attacked from all sides, it doesn't matter how powerful you are you will be overwhelmed. The real problem with that episode is the fact that he only killed like 4 Gungans, he should have been able to kill at least 50 to 70 of them before they took him down.
Last time I was this early yoda was still a padawan
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"Is it possible to learn this power?"
Imagane if we see Grievous welding 4 dual bladed lightsabers, what would that look like? XD
The amount of times he just nopes out of situations is hilarious. I think he spent at least half his screen time fleeing.
Mace didn't crush his chest. He sent a force projection to his mind to show Grievous how lame his 2008 version of himself is. Poor guy was so ashamed he had a heart attack
XD
Traumatizing someone to the point of them having a heart attack, truly the jedi way
8:36 obi wan forgot who he was fighting in that moment and what he was made of
jedi don't all have perfect memories all the time
The real question should be: Why did George Lucas think this was a good idea?
momentary lapse in judgement obi wan had
over estimated his strength
forgot grevous was made of very strong metal he did
Grievous in "Canon": Loses to Padawans, Gungans, and basically everyone
Grievous in 2003: Kills a bunch of Jedi and uncountable clones single handed
Grievous in Battlefront 2: 100 player killstreak, 2003 music starts playing...
never lost to any padawan or ahsoka, you're delusional; also the gungans just threw a bunch of emps at him and since he's mostly cybernetic...
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Are you really going to compare it to the Grievous who beat 5 Jedi at the same time ???
@@ourempires6457 actualy yes, he lost to ahsoka in season 1 with his hand cutted, also younglings were all able to retreat from him in season 5. Wtf man
@@grivous9515 those really aren’t a loss, we’re talking about actual fights
@@ourempires6457 Aren't a loss? That was the actual point of his missions to succeed on these things! He failed, being ridiculized and looking stupid!
Every time I see that fight scene between Obi Wan and Grievous in RotS, I think about a Nick Gillard panel I attended. I went to the Star Wars Celebration shortly before RotS came out and the first panel I went to was with Nick Gillard. He talked about the lightsaber fights in all of the Star Wars movies, but more specifically the fights in RotS. He said that the fight that caused him the most annoyance was the one between Obi Wan and Grievous because of Grievous's 4 arms. It's been a very long time since the panel, but I think that the problem was coordination between the 4 lightsabers and making it look good. So Nick's solution: "Cut off 2 of the arms."
The fact that he was worshipped as a Demigod just underlines how cool he really is.
General grievous is my favorite character only thing I'd change is the clone wars more like the animated one and male him stop using his spinny move so much so when obi one gets surprised it make sence
he had such a tragic story if you really think about it
chef
Last time i was this early grievous was still alive! Seriously though he died really fast in the movies
Hearing the numbers of dead by his hand is terrifying
1:08: Did he die? I thought he just teleported to another dimension where his friends are more approachable and less stoic.
10:53: There's Adm. Screed, co-commander of the Victory Fleet, co-defeater of the Bulwark Fleet, and former compatriot of Gen. Jan Dodonna.
Oh, and a somewhat cartoonish fool in a cartoon we may or may not want to remember. Apologies if I had to say this.
This is what smoking looks like... 😂
Honestly the best PSA!
Grievous my favorite character
HMMM
I too think your the best Jedi
I would love to see more of grievous in a serie or movie
Grievous is my favorite character!
They did my boy INSANELY dirty in the clone wars CGI show, there's literal interviews with the staff that decided to make him into a joke. I only recognize Legends Grievous.
Greivous first appeared in star wars republic commando.
Actually, he first appeared in a Clone Wars 2003 mini-comics story.
Of course, what you said was his first video game appearance too, I think.
@@michaelandreipalon359 I think you are correct I definitely first remember Greivous from that game though.
I agree, General Grievous is the best character in all of Star Wars and nobody else even compares to Qymaen jai Sheelal
Happy New Year, Geetsly!
Imagine how screwed Obi Wan would have been if he didn't kill Grievous on Utupau and faced him on Tatooine when he was older instead of Maul
Grievous origin story would make a great spin off movie.
Grievous is the character I want to see on the big screen again in a movie or show.
0:39 onwards, look closely at how his body and limbs move on to the doomwheel. That is a crazy amount of coordination, even for a cyborg clanker.
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First Metanerdz life of grievous series and now this? Thank the Maker!
Found really interesting how for part one of Metanerdz’s, Geetsly’s made a community post about Grievous and now when part 2 released he uploaded a full blown video dedicated to the character🤔
The eight dislikes are from Grievous’s arms and legs.
His best portrayal is still in the CW 2003, everything you said here just backs that up. He had the same cold blooded war monger’s domineer in that series, the only difference is that at least there he had the combat prowess and character introduction to back up the terror that he represented. The first rule of villain introduction is that, in order to truly convince your audience of the threat the villain presents, you should make them at least mostly successful in their first confrontation with the hero/heroes.
>you should make them at least mostly successful in their first confrontation with the hero/heroes.
*cough* Kylo loses to Rey in first fight *cough*
they treated him unfairly in the 2008 clonewars so he was not so perfect unlike his legends counterpart his legends counterpart is really terryfying
03 Grievous was too badass, he would have made it hard to write fights where he DIDN’T loose. Which wouldn’t work when you had him constantly fighting Obi Wan.
The only person he ever fights in Clone Wars is Obi-wan, who needs to stay alive for ROTS. Remember Massacre? There, he slapped Ventress who had to have her zombies save her, then slaughtered the Nightsisters without trouble. When 2008 Greivous isn't fighting characters with plot armour he's pretty badass
@@austinhinton3944 2003 Grievous maybe Bad Ass but Obi Wan's Soresu form is a good counter to Greivous's offensive form
@@auberginemanproductions1608 Don't try to justify the unjustifiable.
@@auberginemanproductions1608 Ventress was about to kill Grievous when he got ordered to use his droids to kill the nightsisters.
Videos on Grievous:
Grievous fans: Hello there!
Appreciation posts of him happen once in a blue moon, and even then there will always be people in the comments saying “hE Is nOW a jOKe ” so let us have our fun xD
Indeed I am the perfect Clone Wars character this video will certainly make a fine addition to my collection
Apparently his ship, the Soulless One, was affectionately referred to as the Spineless One due to how often Grievous would run away in it
When grevious goes into centipede mode is very disturbing. I would jump into space seeing that but would stay and fight if he came swinging 4 lightsabers at me.
Grievous and Durge are my favorite characters from The Clone Wars era. They’re the embodiment of what it means to have an “over the top” character in a good way. An ancient alien bounty hunter comprised of nerves and muscles that he can extend like tentacles encased in, basically, power armor, that’s Durge. An acrobatic cyborg trained in all forms of lightsaber combat who isn’t even force sensitive, that’s Grievous. Both characters are badass in their own rights.
Also, on a side note, Durge is officially gonna be canon again thanks to the War Of The Bounty Hunters comic series.
I love how Geetsly & Gireum released opposite vids on Gen Griveous pretty much at the same time
That's what i like about him. He's the absolute worst in every way there is not a respectable joint in his body, he might as well have a mechanical moustache to twirl. Which of course was Sidious's intent.
I'd like you to analyze the OTHER Grand Admirals, the ones besides Thrawn that were just as dangerous and genius in their own ways.
I know almost nothing about them, to the point where I kind of doubt your statement that they were just as good despite knowing it's probably true, so that would be excellent. Not that he's probably going to see this comment, but oh well.
@@samueldimmock694 Star Wars Insider did short biographies of each of the original twelve. It was called, "Who's Who, Imperial Grand Admirals", Grand Admiral Zaarin has an entire PC game about his duel with Thrawn, it's called TIE Fighter, the Essential Guide to Warfare has both a monologue from Grand Admiral Teshik and articles about the Grand Admirals. The game Hidden Empire tells about Grand Admiral Batch's TIE Phantom project. There's also a good channel called Star Wars Galactic Empire that does short videos on each Grand Admiral.
Each of the Grand Admirals were dangerous in their own ways, Zaarin for instance nearly killed Palpatine, Vader and Thrawn during his Insurrection, he invented the TIE Avengers and Defenders. Teshik fought against the entire Rebel Fleet at Endor when the rest of the Imperials fled and lasted four hours against Ackbar's entire fleet in a single star destroyer, Grunger took over vast swaths of the Outer Rim when he went rogue, Pitta depopulated entire sectors, Tigellinus maneuvered himself into control of Imperial Oversector Center, Declann could use battle meditation, Takel could use precognition and light mind reading. Even Il-Raz was a master of propaganda and wiped out many worlds when he went nuts after Endor etc.
@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 I read Teshik's monologue and how he fought the Rebel Alliance, which was the main reason why I was hesitant to say that the other Grand Admirals couldn't match Thrawn. I also know the story of Zaarin's insurrection, but didn't know he was a Grand Admiral. Other than that, thank you for the information.
When you realise his name comes from the emotional state he was in when he took it.
Thanks
u don’t even need to make a video about this, we all know
More General Grievous is always appreciated
Not all of us, considering the people who only watched the films and TCW.
@@michaelandreipalon359 yeah, truly a shame how Labyrinth Of Evil isn’t talked as much as other EU novels, it would make a lot of people understand why Grievous is such a beloved character.
@@Dass_Jennir To be honest, it was overshadowed by its sequel, which is the RotS novelization.
that swbf1 introooo so many memories
to fight monsters, you must sometimes create monsters of your own.
many people considered the Jedi to be monsters, due to their actions leading up to the Clone Wars, and throughout it. General Grievous was the monster created to counter them. but his cybernetics were only half of the monster that he would come to be. as stated in the video, he became a monster slowly and subtly after watching his people being subjugated and enslaved. his close friend being killed was ultimately the catalyst that set things in motion past the point of no return. this was made worse when the Jedi got involved and started cutting down Grievous' people, who viewed the Jedi as monsters. Grievous would get his chance to get strike at the Jedi not long after that. even when he was recovering from Mace Windu using Force Crush on his chest, he was not to be taken lightly.
Grievous is my favourite character, but the problem I had with him is that he was described as this killing machine that multiple Jedi at once could not stop, yet we don't see that at all in the movies or the clone wars series. I feel like I was told 1 thing and shown the other.
Unfortunately the only characters he ever faces are characters you already know won't die. Greivous could go all out in 2003 Clone Wars against Mace Windu because ROTS hadn't come out yet, so his death couldn't be accounted for. When Greivous isn't fighting plot-armoured Obi-Wan he can still be a badass, like in the Clone Wars episode Massacre
I see him more as a joke in anything, but Gendi's version is more of a slasher villain. I understand why George Lucas wanted to modify him because he was basically Vader if he didn't have the force and better cyborgnetics.
He wanted to make Grievous a more of a pure evil villain.
8:38: Maybe he was tired of all the Sithspit the war and Grievous himself had brought upon the Republic and the galaxy. So much for civility... and then things go from bad to nightmarishly worse later on. Poor guy.
my favourite character before i was even 5
Grievous’ problem in episode 3 I think was that he had this reputation for being this unstoppable Jedi killer, but we’re only told that, we never see him do anything to earn that reputation. He just runs away or gets defeated. We should have had a scene where grievous slaughters a group of Jedi and takes their lightsabers, then later in the fight with Orbi Wan we see he’s using their lightsabers against him, and maybe Obi Wan senses this too. Could’ve added a more fearsome appearance for him
Thank you for mentioning "Labyrinth of Evil" what an incredible novel.! Yes 30 kids...Grievous had 30 kids!
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*cough* *cough* General kenobi
day 9 without a documentary about polus
Why would we do an Among Us episode?
@@geetslys look on wookipedia yourself
This is an awesome finisher after metanerdz video today.
Mini series Greivas was a beast!!!
Wow, that was a really impressive, really thorough, and interesting analysis! THANK YOU! I absolutely HATE when people talk about how they ruined him for the movie and 2nd clone wars show! NO, they SAVED HIM! They changed him from EXACTLY what u said-basically Jason Voorhies, a totally one dimensional character with ZERO depth, and no character! Also, it’s just STUPID to make him more powerful than basically vader and palpatine COMBINED! It’s really sad and pathetic that anyone actually thinks that version is better! Hi is STRONGER, yes, absolutely, but stronger is only good to a point, and he seriously quadrupled it! AND it also just goes to show that those people don’t even realize what they’re complaining about! They always say they made him SO WEAK, and such a COWARD! First of all, he STILL always beats, and usually KILLS any Jedi that’s not a super strong council member(or Ashoka), so he’s STILL crazy strong, just a REASONABLE strong! He even took out the entire night sister clan while fighting Ventress, and eventually even killed mother Talzin!!! And just cause Mace Windu says he’s a coward and always runs away, doesn’t mean he IS! That’s just Windu being frustrated with him. He makes tactical retreats when he knows he’s bested! If that’s cowardice, than pretty much every Jedi, and every sith is a coward, too! He never runs cause he just scared, he runs cause he’s been beaten back, or because it’s tactically the right move! It’s just very frustrating how many people complain about something that isn’t even true, just because they I GUESS just aren’t paying any attention, or something, I dunno:/
From a certain point of view Vader is 86% man
Imagine if he was made out of beskar in a spinoff movie
They should make a movie about him and his backstory
Some random thought: Darth Maul is a Zabrak and Zabraks have TWO HEARTS and Kenobi's lightsaber just graced his chest so technically he could be still alive and probably will be if Disney continues milking the star wars franchise but nobody would expect him being alive again, again, am I right?
I just wish he wasn't a mustache-twirling villain who was CONSTANTLY talking. I liked him more when he could take on 6 Jedi at once, but I also loved how he rarely spoke. He really was a terrifying monster which is what I thought was part of his whole shtick. Nobody is afraid of someone who's main phrase is "I'll get you next time," as they are constantly running away.
Keep up the great content!!!
The worst thing that happened to General Grievous is that in the 2003 he was a complete deadly machine that was actually able to take down a lot of Jedi. However, in the more recent animated Clone Wars, he was terrible in his sword fighting. He was less terrifying, less dangerous, and was overall able to kill like 2 Jedi in the entire series. Also, he seemed more cowardly than in the 2003 shows as he is always seen escaping instead of fighting to the death.
Almost like the 2003 version though it was less obvious (maybe nonexistent) in that incarnation of our cyborg boi. Does anyone ever wonder if he became a full cyborg after death? That would be cool to see a robot created to be like him
Thanks to this video, I now know that Grievous had 10 wives and sired 30 kids with them.
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It's actually a common practice among his Kaleesh people
A live action movie or series on General Grievous . Hardcore , drama, violent, ... Embrace the horror that is Grievous.
I just wish that no one would have interfered with grievous's objective of killing the soulless bugs(hak). It would've been fine and dandy if they would have let him finish his job of wiping out the bugs and avenging his lover.
This is Canon for me! General Grievous is my favorite character!
Great character
I just love how in the clone wars every time He fights against obi wan you can see that obi wan really struggels to keep up. If Grevous would just try to kill him quickly, I belive he could during the clone wars