Thanks to our friends at HotCars for the great article: www.hotcars.com/track-attack-canada-pits-718-cayman-gt4-vs-camaro-zl1-1le-for-track-ready-supremacy/
Yeap...I feel he should have done the autocross portion too...the ZL1 did a 7: 16 at Nurburgring versus the gt4s time of 7: 28...so that Camaro can perform at at least the same level as the gt4...I detect a little Porsche fanboy bias in him.
@@AKDevilman Used to own a 911 and loved it. But no fanboy bias here. The GT4 is a great car but not enough bang for the buck IMO. I actually loved the ZL1 1LE so much I bought one over a GT3 a few months after making this video.
@@gregoryrobins7725 hmm i can see that. One has pants hanging down, boxers showing and the other has glasses, button up shirt, pants at waste line, belt buckled, and shined shoes. Lmao
The fact that she is so surprised by the performance of the Camaro tells me that she is the wrong person to review it, has she been hiding under a rock for 3 years? Everyone knows the ZL1 1LE is a beast that eats the lunch of sports cars costing 3 times as much.
It definitely caught me off gaurd when she said that until the ZL1 1LE spec the Camaro has fallen on the back burner for track cars built by Chevy. You definitely have to consider the release of the Z28 in 2014 that was so race focused they didnt even offer AC and a radio stock. Then in 2017 the SS 1LE was one of the best track cars on the market when considering price for performance.
@@AllIsWell_22 How about we see both cars on fresh PSC2's and see that what the lap times, and slalom times are. A consolidated time would be interesting.
So...there was a Porsche expert as a guest but no representation from the Camaro team. Not sure if it is fair. There is so much engineering that went into the ZL1/1LE with a story that was barely told.
The ZL1 is nowhere near 100k and the Porshe is way over 100k with options. The difference is close to 60k. You can almost buy two zl1s for the porshe. I am not hating the cars. I actually want both but you cant compare them as "if you had 100k" lol
Exactly. The GT4 is about three to four times the cost of the ZL1 now. Even more so than my 18 SS 1LE, but I bet the results would be similar and more disheartening to the porsche guy if a $50,000 MSRP camaro SS 1LE beat him
I really like the GT4, but let’s be real here. An SS 1LE is a better match for it. The ZL1 1LE would easily win every performance category with equal drivers & fresh tires. Wouldn’t even be close
I own a ZL1. Clear winner to me. A car for under 70k that kicks butt on the European super cars that cost double at minimum....Chevrolet has done an amazing job for the price. I like the run done at Nurburgring with a 1LE, in 7 minutes 16.04 seconds, it was amazing. Bill Wise is an animal behind the wheel, a video of that day is well worth viewing.
Bang for the buck it is the best car out there at the moment in our opinion. The ZL1 1LE even had a potential lap time of 7:13 at the Nurburgring according to Al Oppenheiser in an interview he did when the Camaro was released.
Launch control sucks in these cars. For the 1LEs it is set at 3500 I believe. Even with my SS 1LE I will easily blow the rear tires loose and have traction control kicking in. The sideways run was definitely in PTM Race mode. For these, it's better to launch around 2000 rpms or so due to the torque and then roll on. Also in Sport 2 or Race because the other modes will regulate power significantly.
When comparing cars for the sake of saying best for track you should use same driver. Both of you could have driven both cars to see the real results. Did you guys use same driver for hot lap? EDIT- Both cars should have fresh tires. I'm really enjoying the track comparisons just want best fair test from both vehicles.
@@colincaissie8724 Then can we have a rematch with fresh tires? There is no reason a ZL1 1LE should be slower than the C8 Z51! In addition, where are the stock Good Year 3R tires that came with the car stock? With all these ‘holes’ the lap time is suspect.
@@AllIsWell_22 we source the cars from the public. They are not provided by the manufacturers or dealers. We can only work with what we are given. The owner of the Camaro is an awesome guy and tracks his car a lot. He put in a good season this year and the tires were done. We are working on getting cars supplied through other sources. But we are still a brand new channel working with a shoestring budget and we are still building our network. Takes time to build greatness ;)
Odd spin (at times) on the results where the Camaro is clearly a superior track car and will be faster 99% of the time. Pretending that they're "close" is rather silly. Those few seconds are a big deal. At least they gave it the win at the end.
This channel has so much potential..... you need to have one professional driver if you are going to compare times though. Having 2 different drivers with different skill sets competing in 2 different cars like you did in the autocross and the first drag race is pointless if you are trying to prove which car is faster or handles better. Hopefully you guys fix this issue quickly. Other than that videos are very well put together! Love the racing drone footage as well. Editing is top notch. Nice work!
Thanks for producing the comparison. I'd choose the GT4 but the ZL1 V8-supercharger whine sounds great. I'd like to see the future GT4 RS use the same 911 GT3 motor.
98% of drivers have a budget limit, I would recommend to compare cars of similar price. ZL1 1LE is 1/2 the purchase price the GT4. Compare the $70k(?) ZL1 1LE to a $70k Porsche
I love Porsche but I purchased a 2021 Camaro ZL1 with the 1LE track package because it is a better buy for the money especially for me because I road course race. With fresh Goodyear F1 tires it will destroy many more expensive cars on a road course, no disrespect to shawty but I would love to see this with 2 equal qualified racers
@@Peel5000 Have you driven the zl1 1LE? It’s an amazing car with unbelievable refinement especially for an American car and for the price . I’ve driven almost everything and owned a lot of cars . I’m hugely impressed with the Camero!!
I’m sorry man but I’ve done 57 track events and have owned both a ZL1 and ZL1 1LE and there isn’t a GT4 on earth minus car cup car ( which I’ve battled ) that I couldn’t slaughter. I’ve driven 17 road courses. This is a biased test with differing drivers. Even a GT3 can’t stand up to a ZL1. Anyone who tracks knows this is not accurate.
Awesome video.. I really wish he would have used the Camaro on the auto cross just to see the difference using the same driver. Cool stuff though. Camaro for me cost:fun ratio is just insane.
Very biased test. I owned a GT4 and now I have a C7 Z06/Z07 trk pack. I did over 20+ track days in advanced (Red) run group in the GT4. And now I have 8 track days on my Z06. My Z06 is 8 secs faster on a 3.1 mile track. Both cars running Cup2 tires. A 1LE is maybe 1 sec slower than a Z07. Either your driver is was intimidated by the power of the 1LE or you had bad tires. No other review has these cars so close in lap times. One last thing. My GT4 was $92K USD when I bought it and my Z06 was $69K. Both cars with less than 6,000 miles when I bought them. There is no better bang for the buck than a 1LE or Z06 for track work and even cabin comfort features. Save your money. Get a Cayman GTS if you have to have a Cayman.
Thanks for the comment, the tires on the ZL1 1LE had seen better days for sure ... the theoretical time was a good 3-4 seconds faster. With newer tires it would have been easily a few seconds faster than the GT4
@@TrackAttackCanada Im wondering if the Automatic is the better version to launch and drag. Manual may be the better track choice, but Ive heard auto usually better for drag.
Did you put the camaro into launch mode? It sure looks like it wasn't because mine does the same thing unless I put it into drag mode. If you did I can only chock it up to the track and tires. Granted the gt4 has a little more weight over the rear tires too...
@@AKDevilman Yes we tried launch mode in drag and track settings. Neither worked well. The tires were too heat cycled and the track didn't have that great traction either. But we found a way to win the race in the end ;)
I currently own both Porsches and Corvettes. If you owned a 911 as stated please pronounce Porsche correctly. The Germans are very sensitive to this!!! I raced on a corporate sponsored Porsche team back in the 80’s. The brand name is pronounced “Por Shaaw”. I cannot tell you how many Germans that I offended by calling it Porsch like you both did!!! Community relationships are important. Keep in mind that Chevrolet has always provided the best bang for the buck. Hence why I have owned 11 Corvettes. Value in the ZL1 1LE will drop significantly over 5-7 years in comparison to the GT4.
We're not too concerned about losing any Porsche sponsorships over the pronunciation of the brand. Haha. As for the resale of the Camaro, GM's generally don't hold their value like Porsche's do. However we believe the ZL1 1LE will be a different situation with it being a rare car and the best Camaro money could ever buy. The next gen Camaro will ditch the V8 in favor of hybrid tech meaning a supercharged V8 will be in high demand pretty soon.
Fantastic show, enjoyed the layout and honesty. I'm incredibly biased as I own a ZL1 1LE but spending a lot of time on track, I can say the GT4 eats less tires/brakes and can go all day long on track in just about any condition. The ZL1 1LE gobbles up tires, brakes, gas and can sometimes get a little hot pushed 9/10ths for too many laps. If price wasn't an option, we'd all go with a GT3 RS :) I have a feeling the Porsche rep was comfortable with this outcome because he knows the GT4 RS is on the way... Good show, will subscribe!
I have a ZL1 1LE too. Haven’t tracked it yet. Disappointing to hear it overheats as with 11 heat exchangers I thought that problem was addressed especially after all the issues with the C7 z06 …
@@howarda4242 The ZL1 1LE can get hot on a very warm day (90F degrees+) when being pushed 9/10ths for more than 5-6 laps at COTA. It never, ever shuts down, it never ever gives up, it just protects itself by reducing the power the engine makes. In MOST people's hands and honestly in most track conditions, this will rarely show up. You've got a great car and it will be a joy to track, trust me. Physics are unavoidable, 3800lbs of car is just a lot of work for the brakes/tires at extreme levels of track demands. Again, not at all a knock on the car, the chassis dynamics of the 6th gen Camaro are near the top of the chart for any car I've driven with an MSRP under 175K.
@@jeffcollop Thanks for the info. I look forward to tracking it. I used to have a 991.2 Gt3 Rs. Offered a lot for it so I sold it. Hoping this will be almost as good at a fraction of the price . Cheers
@@howarda4242 So... I now have a 991.2 GT3, so it's like we switched places. :) I can tell you the operational cost will go up as the GT3 is much easier on tires/brakes/fluids. The ZL1 1LE is a little less accurate in terms of car placement and you're going to have to relearn how the car transitions weight. (hint, you're going to have to wait past apex before you even breath on the throttle) :) Enjoy it's a great car.
I think that it would be more fair to compare the two ME sport cars: Corvette C8 Z51 VS Porsche Cayman GT4. And to compare the two oustanding muscle cars: Shelby GT500 VS the Camaro ZL1.
@@MrRicard75 I was referring to the slalom course where the 718 got better times . Also real close on the track corse only 4 tenths of a second difference . I will agree the driver is everything and it should have been the same person to get true results .
7 seconds in the slalom was not realistic due to the fact she has next to zero experience driving in the slalom. 1 le will definitely do better than what was presented here.
When you can’t even pronounce the manufacturer’s name correctly...it sets the stage. Then the autocross...the Camaro hits a cone, is seconds slower than the GT4 but he considers it equal “so everybody wins”....the drag race...Camaro with significantly more HP should have devoured the GT4 in a straight line......but it lost two of the three runs, so he changes the way he launches the Cayman to make sure the Camaro wins one....LMAO....IMO this reviewer is not qualified .....and this hack job is not worth your time watching.
This didnt seem to be very fair to the Camaro, the Cayman's driver was more skilled. No disrespect to her, but this review should have used either the same driver or equal skill drivers.
Porsche really didn't want the GT4 outshinning the GT3 lol Hopefully when the PDK comes out for the 718 GT4, it'll be a game changer. So I'll just stick with my 718 CS for now since I'm doing about the same time for a lesser price
Jen's surprise at the camaro doing so well tells you just how ignorant she is. No one who's been paying attention would be shocked at the camaro ZLE or 1LE.
There is no rear multi link suspension, its a bespoke rear strut arrangement reinforced and made specifically for the GT4/spyder. This is not like the 911 GT3/GT2 which has the rear multilink suspension.
I think it's because porsche did not want to redesign the standard cayman suspension completely for the gt4. They do sell a aftermarket multilink upgrade for the 981 gt4 though.
I think you need better drivers IMO. Look at the Nuremberg numbers on the Camaro and it obvious it’s a much faster car. I have seen the ZL11lE KEEP UP WITH A GT3RS. For the price the Camaro is much better buy.
Our host Colin is one of the best in the area ... the ZL1 tires had seen too many track days unfortunately. It had a potential time of 1:14 which would be more in line with the expected performance. We'll have it back next season with fresh tires to post an updated time.
It is a true GT car, because it is a Porsche GT car. This whole argument around bespoke GT engines is BS. Same argument that people made about the '16-'17 n55 vs s55 M2's. The experience is what matters.
Thanks for the great content here. One thing you didn’t cover is heat soak. I wonder how much each car would be affected after a couple of hours on track? I also wonder why the Camaro was bogging off the line? Did you guys figure out why it was doing that? Is that a common issue?
i used to want a GT4 when i had my 987.2 but with nothing added to either of these cars how can you not go with a car thats $30,700 cheaper with 236 more HP? and with the prices in 2022 i think that gaps more likely to be around $50,000+
it's only 30k cheaper when you put zero options on the Porsche which is basically impossible. In reality, a new GT4 is going to be 45k+ more. Absolutely insane but that's the price you pay to drive a low production luxury sports car.
@@neckofthewoods24 right, but it has nothing to do with 2022. In fact, the GT cars are getting marked up like $80k on average so the price diff is closer to $130k.
Just because the camaro has way more power than the porsche doesn't mean it is automatically faster... Just like the drag race showed originally, it doesn't matter how much power you have if you can't get traction. Same goes for the weight of the camaro. I am very surprised everyone didn't think the porsche would sweep the camaro on the track. Especially since they are about the same in a straight line, and the track is more for handling vs straight-line speed. Regardless, I have an 18 SS 1LE, and I love to surprise people in this car. So many people have told me that the heavy Camaro can't corner... then they are pleasantly surprised when I am on their tail and just waiting for them to move. Plus, it is awesome to keep up or exceed the capabilities of cars that cost 4x more or greater.
Aaaargh, it is Por-shah', not "Porsh". I have been fighting this battle since 1967. The 904, 906, 907, 910, 917, 956/962, RS Spyder and 919 are all groaning...
Good job guys, quality is coming along! One point, the guest audio needs to be the same, get another mic! Jars the experience a little. Other than that good job!
Apples to Oranges. NA Voodoo engine vs. blown higher displacement LSx, while closer in cost...? I'd like to see the GT500 and 1LE (while different costs completely) on a longer, higher speed track where there will be some airflow. Interesting cars all of them either way.
From what i understand the Chevys tires are spent . Incredible. Idk ,but to me this makes the Chevy look soooo much better . Id much rather see a video on this chevy with newer broke in tires go against the .ore expensive 911 model .
And the GT4 is only $35k more than that Camaro.. and I currently have a 981 GT4 and I sold a 2022 ZL1/1LE to buy it.. in fairness the Camaro needed a better driver (one with more Camaro seat time)..
Test drove a 1le. The interior is horrible and Stevie Wonder has better vision. I'm 6'4" which might have something to do with it but just couldn't find a driving position that was comfortable and decent vision, the windshield is extremely short. Went out and found a used Carrera S. Couldn't be happier!
Constructive criticism - I really enjoyed this, though we could have used more numbers, specifically curb weights and how that weight impacts cornering. Sometimes videos break down into boring numbers-fests lol but I think some numbers to establish a baseline can help
Not sure this guy understands the GT4. He’s the first person to not be amazed by it and he’s disappointed that it’s not a GT3. That’s 50k more… did he just say he would rather the turbo 4??
@@TrackAttackCanada I agree that the gearing is wayyy too tall… that’s a problem across the (true) Porsche lineup minus the “T”models. The engine is a packaging and performance marvel. No it’s not a muscle car engine but from a balance and delivery standpoint it’s pretty high up there for an NA power plant.
@@TrackAttackCanada , or yall just come back with a ZL1 with the 10 speed which I'm hearing is perfect on the track. Great vids too btw! Enjoy the work yall have put into the episodes!
Editors note on GTS power band is incredibly insightful. His experience with PDK, the previous Turbo, and the family of cars demonstrates he knows the car he is driving. Well stated.
I REALLY hate when self-proclaimed Porsche fans pronounce the brand "Porsh". Are you REALLY a fan when you don't pronounce the name correctly?? The Porsche brand is all about passion and exquisite attention to detail. You'd think as an enthusiast, the least you could do is say it right.
So you put a cart driver behind the wheel of one of the bet road cars made,and expect her to drive the car at its limit. But you put professional Porsche driver in the Porsche..really fair. With a professional driver in the Camaro this would have been a great video.
Also, having two different people in each car does not prove a car is better. A Driver makes the Car. Not the other way around. 1 person may attack a course much more aggressively than another person. So timing each person proves nothing. You want to know which car is better. Then you Personally Drive both. With the same Aggressiveness. And give them a fair shake.
The Cayman is technically a GT car: a Grand Tour is a 2 door with a 4 Seater, like the 911, even though, the Cayman is identified as a GT4. Kind of how Porsche identified the Taycan Turbo S, which is an all electric powered 4 door variant sister to the Panamera. Thanks for great footage and the Drone is a plus.
@@philandviki . Horsepower isn't everything as power to weight ratio is whats important. The Porsche Turbo is probably the closest match in HP against ZL1/1LE, but its lighter and has AWD. Not to mention 3 times more expensive.
@@Raven77844 that’s true so according to specs the Camaro weighs approx 4000 lbs with 650 hp and the Caymen 3200 with 414 hp that’s about 20% more hp to weight in the Camaro . The 911 turbo s is closer in HP to weight ratio than the Caymen so let’s see how the Camaro does against that . It’s slightly off but we could off set it by putting a second person in the 911. Nothing is ever going to be the same for testing but you have to test closer if your going to compare . Even with that the 718 beat it in the slalom where HP really Doesn’t play a huge part and it came 10 ths of a second in the lap time . Not bad for 20 % less power to weight .
Word to self Don’t ever let a go cart pro ever try to race a real vehicle. You know one that could possibly be on a real road. Next time get slightly more talented drivers to do a comparison.
Colin will be doing all the performance testing in season 2 to keep a level playing field between all the cars. And we have some pretty interesting cars coming!
650 HP car vs 414 HP car? 🤔 $75k for a Camaro? I’ll pay $110k for the GT4 all day over a $75k Camaro. The interior quality is no comparison and residual value heavily favors the GT4. The normal driver is not going to hit either of the limits of these cars on the street. Chevy should be a little embarrassed that they have to throw 650 HP and 650 lb in a car to beat a 414 HP and 309 lb Porsche.
I agree with you . Reading all the comments it’s like every Camaro lover on the planet watched this lol . Porsche can put any size engine they want in a car but they don’t need to . I would never pay 75k For any Camaro . You also can’t tell me that many of these “Camaro “ fans given the choice if money was the same and no issue they would not pick the Camaro . Once they drive the Porsche they will see what all the hype is about . Many people have been converted to Porsche for a reason .
The auto cross race is great for a Honda Civic or Veloster...not track beasts like Porsche, Lamborghini, Vette and ZL1 1LE. This is really disappointing to under use the potential of those cars. You have a full track there to use Cayuga, why not run full laps and measure against comparable lap times! Using an inexperienced driver for testing as well? That driving and times were not representative of 1LE potential. I was really was excited for this channel and a sub since beginning. But I won’t stay too long
@@danny200mph5 The GT4 set a great time on that track. The Camaro was wearing a set of heat cycled tires and still beat the Porsche on a tight technical track. If they Camaro had fresh rubber it could have picked up another second for sure. This certainly showed how the Camaro not only wins in the straight line but it can hang in the corners with the best of them ;)
Current owner of a Camaro SS 1LE. However when I fall asleep at night I dream of driving a 991. God damn I never should have tried driving a Porsche. IMO there's no comparison. Ive also driven a ZL1 1LE around an autocross and even compared to that I think I would prefer a 981 boxster S. I have only driven rental Porsches but every time it is simply mind blowing. On track the Chevy offers amazing value and greater performance. But on the road the Porsche wins hands down. There's just something about them, plus the rear or mid engine balance makes them incomparable. Currently looking for a cheap 991 Carrera base or a 981 boxster S
@@memememine1 I agree . I never thought I would pay Porsche money for a car until I drove one . Now I own two Porsches and absolutely love them . I was always the one saying “ I would never pay that much for a car” now I’m hooked . It’s seems to be a common theme amongst most . You won’t know until you drive one .
Thanks to our friends at HotCars for the great article: www.hotcars.com/track-attack-canada-pits-718-cayman-gt4-vs-camaro-zl1-1le-for-track-ready-supremacy/
This video proves that driver experience is as big of a factor as the car itself.
Agreed. It's amazing what 'Driver Mod" did for the Camaro during the drag race portion.
Yeap...I feel he should have done the autocross portion too...the ZL1 did a 7: 16 at Nurburgring versus the gt4s time of 7: 28...so that Camaro can perform at at least the same level as the gt4...I detect a little Porsche fanboy bias in him.
@@AKDevilman true, but TMP is not a super fast track
@@AKDevilman Used to own a 911 and loved it. But no fanboy bias here. The GT4 is a great car but not enough bang for the buck IMO. I actually loved the ZL1 1LE so much I bought one over a GT3 a few months after making this video.
@@colincaissie8724 Nice! It is arguably one of the best all around drivers cars ever made. My jaw drops every time I take mine for a spin.
So you take a cart driver and have her run a car she's never been in and you put a Porsche driver in a Porsche. Sounds fair enough.
Jen Gray is still up and coming and moving on from kart racing from what it seems. She will only get better
Dude she has a corvette too
So basically they saying the type of people who drive Zl1s has low IQ and the type of people who drive Porches have high IQ.
@@blessethishe one is associated with a popped collar, the other with a mullet.
@@gregoryrobins7725 hmm i can see that. One has pants hanging down, boxers showing and the other has glasses, button up shirt, pants at waste line, belt buckled, and shined shoes. Lmao
The fact that she is so surprised by the performance of the Camaro tells me that she is the wrong person to review it, has she been hiding under a rock for 3 years? Everyone knows the ZL1 1LE is a beast that eats the lunch of sports cars costing 3 times as much.
It definitely caught me off gaurd when she said that until the ZL1 1LE spec the Camaro has fallen on the back burner for track cars built by Chevy. You definitely have to consider the release of the Z28 in 2014 that was so race focused they didnt even offer AC and a radio stock. Then in 2017 the SS 1LE was one of the best track cars on the market when considering price for performance.
Apparently the ZL1 1LE was on dead tires! Rematch anyone? The tires on the test weren’t even the stock GY3R’s 🤦♂️
@@AllIsWell_22 The Camaro was on the stock tires. But they were cooked.
@@colincaissie8724 The table of lap times showed PSC2’s for the ZL1 1LE. The stock tires are GoodYear 3R’s 😉
@@AllIsWell_22 How about we see both cars on fresh PSC2's and see that what the lap times, and slalom times are. A consolidated time would be interesting.
To compare sport cars, is better to have the same driver.
I could only suffer through about half of this
I havent been able to watch a whole on.
If only his driving skill matched his hubris.
Totally agree. As a track day fan my camaro would do so much better and I am just a novice race champion.
So...there was a Porsche expert as a guest but no representation from the Camaro team. Not sure if it is fair. There is so much engineering that went into the ZL1/1LE with a story that was barely told.
So basically they saying the type of people who drive Zl1s has low IQ and the type of people who drive Porches have high IQ.
@@blessethishe that sounds about right.
Of course that's how it will be. Porsche can't have a big American V8 making a track focused car of theirs look bad.
@@caseythefalcon81 Yep. Let me at him with my 18 SS 1LE. The supercharger doesn't add much on tracks like these
The ZL1 is nowhere near 100k and the Porshe is way over 100k with options. The difference is close to 60k. You can almost buy two zl1s for the porshe. I am not hating the cars. I actually want both but you cant compare them as "if you had 100k" lol
Exactly. The GT4 is about three to four times the cost of the ZL1 now. Even more so than my 18 SS 1LE, but I bet the results would be similar and more disheartening to the porsche guy if a $50,000 MSRP camaro SS 1LE beat him
I really like the GT4, but let’s be real here. An SS 1LE is a better match for it. The ZL1 1LE would easily win every performance category with equal drivers & fresh tires. Wouldn’t even be close
You right
You know your stuff
I own a ZL1. Clear winner to me. A car for under 70k that kicks butt on the European super cars that cost double at minimum....Chevrolet has done an amazing job for the price. I like the run done at Nurburgring with a 1LE, in 7 minutes 16.04 seconds, it was amazing. Bill Wise is an animal behind the wheel, a video of that day is well worth viewing.
Bang for the buck it is the best car out there at the moment in our opinion. The ZL1 1LE even had a potential lap time of 7:13 at the Nurburgring according to Al Oppenheiser in an interview he did when the Camaro was released.
You see when the more experienced driver got in the ZL1 and was able to launch. How much of a beast it is. Nothing against the first driver.
They kept trying until they got the result that they wanted. Three different drivers in the Camaro vs 2 in the GT4.
That launch was atrocious, he came off his drag line like 30 degrees lol
Launch control sucks in these cars. For the 1LEs it is set at 3500 I believe. Even with my SS 1LE I will easily blow the rear tires loose and have traction control kicking in. The sideways run was definitely in PTM Race mode. For these, it's better to launch around 2000 rpms or so due to the torque and then roll on. Also in Sport 2 or Race because the other modes will regulate power significantly.
Rear engine cars always have better grip from a dig but that won't help them in a roll when the zl1 eats that ass
When comparing cars for the sake of saying best for track you should use same driver. Both of you could have driven both cars to see the real results. Did you guys use same driver for hot lap? EDIT- Both cars should have fresh tires.
I'm really enjoying the track comparisons just want best fair test from both vehicles.
Yup. Both cars in the hot lap had the same driver. Tires on the Camaro were really dead. It had a MUCH faster time in it.
@@colincaissie8724 Then can we have a rematch with fresh tires? There is no reason a ZL1 1LE should be slower than the C8 Z51! In addition, where are the stock Good Year 3R tires that came with the car stock? With all these ‘holes’ the lap time is suspect.
@@AllIsWell_22 we source the cars from the public. They are not provided by the manufacturers or dealers. We can only work with what we are given. The owner of the Camaro is an awesome guy and tracks his car a lot. He put in a good season this year and the tires were done. We are working on getting cars supplied through other sources. But we are still a brand new channel working with a shoestring budget and we are still building our network. Takes time to build greatness ;)
@@colincaissie8724 Then the owner definitely gave the car a terrible handicap.
@@AllIsWell_22 And yet the Camaro still won ;)
Odd spin (at times) on the results where the Camaro is clearly a superior track car and will be faster 99% of the time. Pretending that they're "close" is rather silly. Those few seconds are a big deal. At least they gave it the win at the end.
This channel has so much potential..... you need to have one professional driver if you are going to compare times though. Having 2 different drivers with different skill sets competing in 2 different cars like you did in the autocross and the first drag race is pointless if you are trying to prove which car is faster or handles better. Hopefully you guys fix this issue quickly. Other than that videos are very well put together! Love the racing drone footage as well. Editing is top notch. Nice work!
That track is very tight and horsepower isn’t as big of a factor here. Great job guys and good choice on the guest driver
7 seconds on a sub 1 minute course is enormous .. not a wash lol
Thanks for producing the comparison. I'd choose the GT4 but the ZL1 V8-supercharger whine sounds great. I'd like to see the future GT4 RS use the same 911 GT3 motor.
You'd be choosing the slower, more expensive, more bland looking car lol.
well it looks like you got what you wished for! The gt4rs is a monster!
Took the words right outta my mouf…
98% of drivers have a budget limit, I would recommend to compare cars of similar price. ZL1 1LE is 1/2 the purchase price the GT4. Compare the $70k(?) ZL1 1LE to a $70k Porsche
In real Life in a real track Camaro Zl1 1LE will Win 99% of the time
Just Check Nurburring times…
I love Porsche but I purchased a 2021 Camaro ZL1 with the 1LE track package because it is a better buy for the money especially for me because I road course race. With fresh Goodyear F1 tires it will destroy many more expensive cars on a road course, no disrespect to shawty but I would love to see this with 2 equal qualified racers
Porsche too refined. Camaro is just a pure adrenaline rush with fantastic capabilities
Camaro is too unrefined
@@Peel5000 yeah it is. That's what makes it much more enjoyable to drive
@@Peel5000
Have you driven the zl1 1LE? It’s an amazing car with unbelievable refinement especially for an American car and for the price . I’ve driven almost everything and owned a lot of cars . I’m hugely impressed with the Camero!!
I’m sorry man but I’ve done 57 track events and have owned both a ZL1 and ZL1 1LE and there isn’t a GT4 on earth minus car cup car ( which I’ve battled ) that I couldn’t slaughter. I’ve driven 17 road courses. This is a biased test with differing drivers. Even a GT3 can’t stand up to a ZL1. Anyone who tracks knows this is not accurate.
Awesome video.. I really wish he would have used the Camaro on the auto cross just to see the difference using the same driver. Cool stuff though. Camaro for me cost:fun ratio is just insane.
We actually had Colin do a run in the Camaro this season. That will be on the channel in the next few weeks. Stay tuned!
@@TrackAttackCanada thanks! Great video.
I hate when there's such a difference between driver talent. The better driver should drive both
Thank you, in a couple years I may buy a track focused car. This is why I like the car track comparisons.
C6 z06 right now is an amazing bargain 7 22 nurburgring stock Z07 package 35 grand
Its a fake comparison
Check Nurburring times and you will see
I liked this review , one reason is it’s another take on the Corvette/911 comparison.
Very biased test. I owned a GT4 and now I have a C7 Z06/Z07 trk pack. I did over 20+ track days in advanced (Red) run group in the GT4. And now I have 8 track days on my Z06. My Z06 is 8 secs faster on a 3.1 mile track. Both cars running Cup2 tires. A 1LE is maybe 1 sec slower than a Z07. Either your driver is was intimidated by the power of the 1LE or you had bad tires. No other review has these cars so close in lap times. One last thing. My GT4 was $92K USD when I bought it and my Z06 was $69K. Both cars with less than 6,000 miles when I bought them. There is no better bang for the buck than a 1LE or Z06 for track work and even cabin comfort features. Save your money. Get a Cayman GTS if you have to have a Cayman.
Thanks for the comment, the tires on the ZL1 1LE had seen better days for sure ... the theoretical time was a good 3-4 seconds faster. With newer tires it would have been easily a few seconds faster than the GT4
Great job on the video! Need to find a better driver to better match your skills. The drag race was quite telling of a driver mod needed.
Thanks for the feedback ... Admittedly, we had 3 different people try to launch the ZL1 and its literally a knife edge with dead tires to get right!
@@TrackAttackCanada Im wondering if the Automatic is the better version to launch and drag. Manual may be the better track choice, but Ive heard auto usually better for drag.
Agree, one driver was clearly faster no matter the venue
Did you put the camaro into launch mode? It sure looks like it wasn't because mine does the same thing unless I put it into drag mode. If you did I can only chock it up to the track and tires. Granted the gt4 has a little more weight over the rear tires too...
@@AKDevilman Yes we tried launch mode in drag and track settings. Neither worked well. The tires were too heat cycled and the track didn't have that great traction either. But we found a way to win the race in the end ;)
I currently own both Porsches and Corvettes. If you owned a 911 as stated please pronounce Porsche correctly. The Germans are very sensitive to this!!! I raced on a corporate sponsored Porsche team back in the 80’s. The brand name is pronounced “Por Shaaw”. I cannot tell you how many Germans that I offended by calling it Porsch like you both did!!!
Community relationships are important. Keep in mind that Chevrolet has always provided the best bang for the buck. Hence why I have owned 11 Corvettes. Value in the ZL1 1LE will drop significantly over 5-7 years in comparison to the GT4.
We're not too concerned about losing any Porsche sponsorships over the pronunciation of the brand. Haha.
As for the resale of the Camaro, GM's generally don't hold their value like Porsche's do. However we believe the ZL1 1LE will be a different situation with it being a rare car and the best Camaro money could ever buy. The next gen Camaro will ditch the V8 in favor of hybrid tech meaning a supercharged V8 will be in high demand pretty soon.
Female go kart driver didn't seem very experienced while driving the Camaro ZL1 1LE
It’s Porsche AHHH
Fantastic show, enjoyed the layout and honesty. I'm incredibly biased as I own a ZL1 1LE but spending a lot of time on track, I can say the GT4 eats less tires/brakes and can go all day long on track in just about any condition. The ZL1 1LE gobbles up tires, brakes, gas and can sometimes get a little hot pushed 9/10ths for too many laps. If price wasn't an option, we'd all go with a GT3 RS :) I have a feeling the Porsche rep was comfortable with this outcome because he knows the GT4 RS is on the way...
Good show, will subscribe!
I have a ZL1 1LE too. Haven’t tracked it yet. Disappointing to hear it overheats as with 11 heat exchangers I thought that problem was addressed especially after all the issues with the C7 z06 …
@@howarda4242 The ZL1 1LE can get hot on a very warm day (90F degrees+) when being pushed 9/10ths for more than 5-6 laps at COTA. It never, ever shuts down, it never ever gives up, it just protects itself by reducing the power the engine makes. In MOST people's hands and honestly in most track conditions, this will rarely show up. You've got a great car and it will be a joy to track, trust me. Physics are unavoidable, 3800lbs of car is just a lot of work for the brakes/tires at extreme levels of track demands. Again, not at all a knock on the car, the chassis dynamics of the 6th gen Camaro are near the top of the chart for any car I've driven with an MSRP under 175K.
@@jeffcollop
Thanks for the info. I look forward to tracking it. I used to have a 991.2 Gt3 Rs. Offered a lot for it so I sold it. Hoping this will be almost as good at a fraction of the price . Cheers
@@howarda4242 So... I now have a 991.2 GT3, so it's like we switched places. :) I can tell you the operational cost will go up as the GT3 is much easier on tires/brakes/fluids. The ZL1 1LE is a little less accurate in terms of car placement and you're going to have to relearn how the car transitions weight. (hint, you're going to have to wait past apex before you even breath on the throttle) :) Enjoy it's a great car.
@@jeffcollop
Gt3 is a great car as well. One of my all time favorites. Enjoy.
I think that it would be more fair to compare the two ME sport cars: Corvette C8 Z51 VS Porsche Cayman GT4.
And to compare the two oustanding muscle cars: Shelby GT500 VS the Camaro ZL1.
Good point
Yes the front engine muscle cars are at a disadvantage as it relates to handling .
@@philandviki it didn’t seem so by the results the Camaro ate the Porsche up
@@MrRicard75 I was referring to the slalom course where the 718 got better times . Also real close on the track corse only 4 tenths of a second difference . I will agree the driver is everything and it should have been the same person to get true results .
@@philandviki at the nurburgring the camaro has a hotlap several seconds faster
Just ordered my new Zl1. Cant wait to drive it!
You will love it! Colin was so impressed with it that he bought one!
You gotta love when the host likes a car enough ,he buys one himself. Awesome!
7 seconds in the slalom was not realistic due to the fact she has next to zero experience driving in the slalom. 1 le will definitely do better than what was presented here.
When you can’t even pronounce the manufacturer’s name correctly...it sets the stage. Then the autocross...the Camaro hits a cone, is seconds slower than the GT4 but he considers it equal “so everybody wins”....the drag race...Camaro with significantly more HP should have devoured the GT4 in a straight line......but it lost two of the three runs, so he changes the way he launches the Cayman to make sure the Camaro wins one....LMAO....IMO this reviewer is not qualified .....and this hack job is not worth your time watching.
I guess you're clearly not a fan of the GT4 either ... Lol. Gotta love arm chair racers ;)
This didnt seem to be very fair to the Camaro, the Cayman's driver was more skilled. No disrespect to her, but this review should have used either the same driver or equal skill drivers.
We had two drivers more for the fun of it. The ZL1 1LE is on another level when compared to the GT4. It would have easily won all the challenges.
Porsche really didn't want the GT4 outshinning the GT3 lol
Hopefully when the PDK comes out for the 718 GT4, it'll be a game changer.
So I'll just stick with my 718 CS for now since I'm doing about the same time for a lesser price
Jen's surprise at the camaro doing so well tells you just how ignorant she is. No one who's been paying attention would be shocked at the camaro ZLE or 1LE.
Both great cars, but terrible review. The reviewers had very limited knowledge.
I'm still trying to figure out what a poorsh is ???
Must be our Canadian accent ;)
There is no rear multi link suspension, its a bespoke rear strut arrangement reinforced and made specifically for the GT4/spyder. This is not like the 911 GT3/GT2 which has the rear multilink suspension.
I wonder if it is like that because it's mid engined?
I think it's because porsche did not want to redesign the standard cayman suspension completely for the gt4. They do sell a aftermarket multilink upgrade for the 981 gt4 though.
Porsche Lamborghini McLaren Ford Mustang GT500 ZL1 1LE is a monster nobody wants to race with me 🤣 my ZL1 1LE 10 Speed is a rocket launcher by NASA 🚀🤫
or by spaceX
A person saying the ZL1 is not a race car but a go cart is? WTF? First person saying the ZL1 is not up to a race car.
I think you need better drivers IMO. Look at the Nuremberg numbers on the Camaro and it obvious it’s a much faster car. I have seen the ZL11lE KEEP UP WITH A GT3RS. For the price the Camaro is much better buy.
Our host Colin is one of the best in the area ... the ZL1 tires had seen too many track days unfortunately. It had a potential time of 1:14 which would be more in line with the expected performance. We'll have it back next season with fresh tires to post an updated time.
I’ll stick to watching other reviewers for now. 35 minutes for a video that could have been done in 15 or less.
You want me to listen to a go cart driver review? Lmao..never again. Good thing she didn't hit a banana.
JFC: IT IS A POUR-SHAH not a POUR-SH.
It is a true GT car, because it is a Porsche GT car. This whole argument around bespoke GT engines is BS. Same argument that people made about the '16-'17 n55 vs s55 M2's. The experience is what matters.
We totally agree, that's why we are disappointed that the experience of the GT4 engine is nowhere near the same as the GT2 or GT3 unfortunately :(
~26:30 yes honey, that's called traction control
Thanks for the great content here. One thing you didn’t cover is heat soak. I wonder how much each car would be affected after a couple of hours on track? I also wonder why the Camaro was bogging off the line? Did you guys figure out why it was doing that? Is that a common issue?
i used to want a GT4 when i had my 987.2 but with nothing added to either of these cars how can you not go with a car thats $30,700 cheaper with 236 more HP? and with the prices in 2022 i think that gaps more likely to be around $50,000+
it's only 30k cheaper when you put zero options on the Porsche which is basically impossible. In reality, a new GT4 is going to be 45k+ more. Absolutely insane but that's the price you pay to drive a low production luxury sports car.
@@hecticphusion that’s almost exactly what I stated haha.
@@neckofthewoods24 right, but it has nothing to do with 2022. In fact, the GT cars are getting marked up like $80k on average so the price diff is closer to $130k.
@@hecticphusion also what I stated haha.
Just because the camaro has way more power than the porsche doesn't mean it is automatically faster... Just like the drag race showed originally, it doesn't matter how much power you have if you can't get traction. Same goes for the weight of the camaro. I am very surprised everyone didn't think the porsche would sweep the camaro on the track. Especially since they are about the same in a straight line, and the track is more for handling vs straight-line speed. Regardless, I have an 18 SS 1LE, and I love to surprise people in this car. So many people have told me that the heavy Camaro can't corner... then they are pleasantly surprised when I am on their tail and just waiting for them to move. Plus, it is awesome to keep up or exceed the capabilities of cars that cost 4x more or greater.
American power over German u-boat it's a no brainer, with money to spare win win 👍👍😁😊.
The Camaro in capable hands smokes the Porsche.. See Nurbugring numbers. Enough said.
I see a big American V8 beating a more expensive track focused Porsche around a track.
Aaaargh, it is Por-shah', not "Porsh". I have been fighting this battle since 1967. The 904, 906, 907, 910, 917, 956/962, RS Spyder and 919 are all groaning...
Good job guys, quality is coming along! One point, the guest audio needs to be the same, get another mic! Jars the experience a little. Other than that good job!
Thanks for the feedback ... Our shoestring budget just has enough for another lav mic, so we're all set for next time ;)
ZL1 FTW
Porsh or Porsche. Really wish he'd pronounce it correctly. 😕
The Camaro just needed a driver mod for the drag race.
The auto version is faster, and a GT4 is no match on track at racing speeds for a ZL11LE. This is ridiculous.
@@thiosemicarbizidebenzoylal2921 ZL1 1LE is a monster 👹 Porsche is trash
I mean sure I agree, but the zl1 has notoriously hard time gripping off the line. porsches put their power down way better for sure
So, which do you prefer? GT350 or ZL1 1LE?
ZL1 1LE
Apples to Oranges. NA Voodoo engine vs. blown higher displacement LSx, while closer in cost...? I'd like to see the GT500 and 1LE (while different costs completely) on a longer, higher speed track where there will be some airflow. Interesting cars all of them either way.
Are you stupid buhhaha 🤣 GT350R is trash both with GT500 ZL1 1LE has 1:11. 12 Ford Mustang GT500 1:11.58🤣
GT350 is closer to the SS 1LE than it is to the ZL1 1LE tbh
@@andrewecowan GT350 buhhaha SS 1LE Cayuga Motorsport 1:11.58 same as the Ford Mustang GT500 SS 1LE beat GT350 4 times already 🤣🤣🚀
From what i understand the Chevys tires are spent . Incredible. Idk ,but to me this makes the Chevy look soooo much better . Id much rather see a video on this chevy with newer broke in tires go against the .ore expensive 911 model .
This came down to him being a better and more aggressive driver.
“Im a really big Porsch fan” just not enough to pronounce it properly i guess?
I had to fast forward to the Chevy part after he did it the third time.
It’s how you say it in Canadian:)
@@Primal391 nope.
I believe Porsche is a two syllable word...not one...and the Camaro is a Zeeeee not Zud.
Let's just call it a tie...everybody wins? I have no words.
And the GT4 is only $35k more than that Camaro.. and I currently have a 981 GT4 and I sold a 2022 ZL1/1LE to buy it.. in fairness the Camaro needed a better driver (one with more Camaro seat time)..
Dude. Stop calling it a Porsh. It's a Porsche, which is a two syllable word.
This is why I’ll never own a PORSH
Imagine if the Camaro had someone who could drive inside it
I think we all know driver experience was a huge factor
So, if the same driver had been used in all timed competitions, the Camaro would have won them all?
Yes all
Test drove a 1le. The interior is horrible and Stevie Wonder has better vision. I'm 6'4" which might have something to do with it but just couldn't find a driving position that was comfortable and decent vision, the windshield is extremely short. Went out and found a used Carrera S. Couldn't be happier!
I don't understand why you don't use the same driver, if you are trying to compare cars. We are not here to see who is the better driver.
What were the sway bar settings on the GT4? Were they changed to suit the drivers preference?
GT4 was on stock OEM setup with no adjustments
Ya dude , why don't u get drivers closer in skill level. That was lame as it gets. Or how about swapping cars for every test. Jeez.
Thanks for the feedback, we will be trying out a number of guest hosts, so stay tuned as we'll find a match for Colin yet ;)
ZL1 1LE for me.
ZL1 1LE for marco
Constructive criticism - I really enjoyed this, though we could have used more numbers, specifically curb weights and how that weight impacts cornering. Sometimes videos break down into boring numbers-fests lol but I think some numbers to establish a baseline can help
Thanks @Jellofuel ... Great suggestion, we'll look to try and include more details in the future
Not sure this guy understands the GT4. He’s the first person to not be amazed by it and he’s disappointed that it’s not a GT3. That’s 50k more… did he just say he would rather the turbo 4??
In a nutshell... Colin was very impressed with the handling. Not so much the engine and gearing.
@@TrackAttackCanada I agree that the gearing is wayyy too tall… that’s a problem across the (true) Porsche lineup minus the “T”models. The engine is a packaging and performance marvel. No it’s not a muscle car engine but from a balance and delivery standpoint it’s pretty high up there for an NA power plant.
I'm liking this channel. First saw Colin on Speed Academy. Nice job!
whats interesting is the new 718 GT4 with PDK is anywhere from 1 to 1.5 seconds faster around some tracks in testing
Can't wait to get one out as it should be considerably faster and may be able to compete with the ZL1 1LE with a fresh set of tires ;)
@@TrackAttackCanada , or yall just come back with a ZL1 with the 10 speed which I'm hearing is perfect on the track.
Great vids too btw! Enjoy the work yall have put into the episodes!
Editors note on GTS power band is incredibly insightful. His experience with PDK, the previous Turbo, and the family of cars demonstrates he knows the car he is driving. Well stated.
I REALLY hate when self-proclaimed Porsche fans pronounce the brand "Porsh". Are you REALLY a fan when you don't pronounce the name correctly?? The Porsche brand is all about passion and exquisite attention to detail. You'd think as an enthusiast, the least you could do is say it right.
So you put a cart driver behind the wheel of one of the bet road cars made,and expect her to drive the car at its limit. But you put professional Porsche driver in the Porsche..really fair. With a professional driver in the Camaro this would have been a great video.
RS versions are Porsches race ready versions. GT models are for street.
Zl11lE will destroy tha litle cayman on the track!
Lost me at "ZED-L1" and "let's find ooooot".
you got us... we are Canadian eh!
Also, having two different people in each car does not prove a car is better. A Driver makes the Car. Not the other way around. 1 person may attack a course much more aggressively than another person. So timing each person proves nothing. You want to know which car is better. Then you Personally Drive both. With the same Aggressiveness. And give them a fair shake.
We use the same drivers to set the lap times
Should have put the gt3 rs in this. This is a wrong comparison.
We can still do a ZLE vs. GT3 RS comparison. :)
another good video guys I liked this match up
The Cayman is technically a GT car: a Grand Tour is a 2 door with a 4 Seater, like the 911, even though, the Cayman is identified as a GT4. Kind of how Porsche identified the Taycan Turbo S, which is an all electric powered 4 door variant sister to the Panamera. Thanks for great footage and the Drone is a plus.
Horrible audio quality. Must have poorly mounted the mic.
Unfortunately the data from the mic got corrupted and we had to use the audio from the GoPro in post.
@@TrackAttackCanada I know how it is. Most people who produce don’t realize how great video is only as good as great audio.
The cayman cost 100k , zl1 1le cost 75 k and is still faster , let me dump 25 k into my zl1 1le and that cayman won’t even be close.
Correct and many would still rather have the p car.
@@86Digilio not many only dumb dumbs
@@Daintrain2120 Dump $25K into ‘your’ Camaro and it’s still a dump.
One thing to consider is resale after 3-4 years will strongly favor the Porsche.
@@agmd1 maybe
I was surprised to see a better lap time from the Corvette C8 Z51 compared to the Camaro ZL1 1LE
That's because the Camaro had dead tires during the test. It has so much more time in it.
1:11. 58 Corvette C8 ZL1 1LE 1:11.12 ZL1 1LE beat C8 Corvette Stingray and slow boat Ford Mustang GT500
@@AllIsWell_22 Not only dead tires, but I don't think it had the Supercar 3R's that came with it stock. The SC3R's are stickier than the Cup 2 tires
The nurburgring lap times tell the true story. ZL1/1LE 7:16. The GT4 7:28. There's no comparison. Not even close.
No comparison with horsepower either . Let’s put a Porsche with equal horsepower against the Camaro and let’s see what happens lol.
@@philandviki . Horsepower isn't everything as power to weight ratio is whats important. The Porsche Turbo is probably the closest match in HP against ZL1/1LE, but its lighter and has AWD. Not to mention 3 times more expensive.
@@Raven77844 that’s true so according to specs the Camaro weighs approx 4000 lbs with 650 hp and the Caymen 3200 with 414 hp that’s about 20% more hp to weight in the Camaro . The 911 turbo s is closer in HP to weight ratio than the Caymen so let’s see how the Camaro does against that . It’s slightly off but we could off set it by putting a second person in the 911. Nothing is ever going to be the same for testing but you have to test closer if your going to compare . Even with that the 718 beat it in the slalom where HP really
Doesn’t play a huge part and it came
10 ths of a second in the lap time . Not bad for 20 % less power to weight .
Man she was feathering the ZL1 way too much.
Word to self
Don’t ever let a go cart pro ever try to race a real vehicle. You know one that could possibly be on a real road. Next time get slightly more talented drivers to do a comparison.
Times in the auto x dont make any sense since it was different drivers. One with lots of autox experience vs one with none.
Colin will be doing all the performance testing in season 2 to keep a level playing field between all the cars. And we have some pretty interesting cars coming!
650 HP car vs 414 HP car? 🤔 $75k for a Camaro?
I’ll pay $110k for the GT4 all day over a $75k Camaro. The interior quality is no comparison and residual value heavily favors the GT4.
The normal driver is not going to hit either of the limits of these cars on the street.
Chevy should be a little embarrassed that they have to throw 650 HP and 650 lb in a car to beat a 414 HP and 309 lb Porsche.
I agree with you . Reading all the comments it’s like every Camaro lover on the planet watched this lol . Porsche can put any size engine they want in a car but they don’t need to . I would never pay 75k For any Camaro . You also can’t tell me that many of these “Camaro “ fans given the choice if money was the same and no issue they would not pick the Camaro . Once they drive the Porsche they will see what all the hype is about . Many people have been converted to Porsche for a reason .
I'm a chevy guy when it comes to the big 3 but I also love the mustang gt350 and challenger hellcat/demon but I would take that Porsche anyday lol.
You got to say it Pors-Che, with a e at the end.
The auto cross race is great for a Honda Civic or Veloster...not track beasts like Porsche, Lamborghini, Vette and ZL1 1LE. This is really disappointing to under use the potential of those cars. You have a full track there to use Cayuga, why not run full laps and measure against comparable lap times!
Using an inexperienced driver for testing as well? That driving and times were not representative of 1LE potential.
I was really was excited for this channel and a sub since beginning. But I won’t stay too long
Did you watch the full video? We use the full track every episode and set lap times with the cars as well as auto cross runs.
@@colincaissie8724 can u please educate on me on the full course lap times?
I did watch the video
@@danny200mph5 The GT4 set a great time on that track. The Camaro was wearing a set of heat cycled tires and still beat the Porsche on a tight technical track. If they Camaro had fresh rubber it could have picked up another second for sure. This certainly showed how the Camaro not only wins in the straight line but it can hang in the corners with the best of them ;)
I sold my 500+ hp C5 Camaro SS for a Cayman S. Love both cars though.
You really can't go wrong with either ;)
Current owner of a Camaro SS 1LE. However when I fall asleep at night I dream of driving a 991. God damn I never should have tried driving a Porsche. IMO there's no comparison. Ive also driven a ZL1 1LE around an autocross and even compared to that I think I would prefer a 981 boxster S. I have only driven rental Porsches but every time it is simply mind blowing. On track the Chevy offers amazing value and greater performance. But on the road the Porsche wins hands down. There's just something about them, plus the rear or mid engine balance makes them incomparable. Currently looking for a cheap 991 Carrera base or a 981 boxster S
@@memememine1 I agree . I never thought I would pay Porsche money for a car until I drove one . Now I own two Porsches and absolutely love them . I was always the one saying “ I would never pay that much for a car” now I’m hooked . It’s seems to be a common theme amongst most . You won’t know until you drive one .