How I Use Phantom Luts | FAQ | A7siii footage
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- How I Use Phantom Luts | FAQ | A7siii footage -
This video is a follow up to my previous phantom lut review video. In this video we cover a lot of FAQ about the phantom luts by joel famularo. We cover phantom lut related topics like how to expose slog 3, which picture profiles to use, and how to use the phantom luts in post. I truly appreciate all of the support on my previous phantom lut video that I made earlier this year. I hope you find this phantom lut video helpful as we color grade some a7siii footage.
-Contents of this Video -
0:00 Intro
1:09 Disclaimer
1:42 How To expose slog 3
3:05 Standard vs Legacy LUTS
3:45 Standard vs Davinci
4:00 Cameras Supported and Picture Profile
4:45 Current Cameras Supported
5:13 Grading Wedding Footage
11:17 Grading Engagement Session Footage
12:20 Grading Night Footage
13:15 Grading Interviews
13:58 Testing the BETA version of the LUTS
15:10 Grading 2nd Interview
15:52 Dark N Moody Grade
17:31 Colorin my kiddos
19:17 Outro - แนวปฏิบัติและการใช้ชีวิต
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Hi Brendon! I loved the tutorial but was hoping you can clarify what the order of the changes should be (lut first, then effects, or vice versa). In Tyler Stalman's video "How to Color Grade in Final Cut Pro" he says the video effects are applied in order so should be color changes, and then Lut. At 19:04 youhave your lut applied first, and then your color changes comes after it.
I'm not an expert, but trying to learn how to color grade and so I'm watching a ton of YT videos. Can you help confirm which is the correct order?
Yeah it’s a mistake. It should be the color correct first before the lut.
Good tutorial! Thank you for sharing!
Thank you for watching 👋
Very informative video and it was cool to see your workflow since I also use FCP. I've been just getting into colour grading, LOG and LUTS recently this weekend so I'm watching a ton of videos to see how others do it first. Nice to see you are a big fan of Eterna because I think I am going to focus heavily on mastering Eterna before dabbling with other LUTS. I liked your video and subscribed to your channel!
Dude!!!
Thanks for the comment and sub! Almost there to the first 1000 subs 🤩
In love with the eterna lut. Skin tones look great with it and it’s a stylized look with minimal adjustment. What cam you shooting on?
@@brendonleerogers1794 You'll hit 1K subs in no time :) I shoot with the Fuji XT4 and I've dabbled with every film simulation (including some of the custom recipes found online). I've come to a conclusion that although I really like Classic Chrome, I like Eterna more. I'm sure with more tweaking and practice, I can really dial it in. It's nice to learn from people like you who really understand it more than I do.
Maybe check out film covert as a potential solution to getting more looks out of your camera.
I use it whenever I need to match drone footage and Sony footage.
@@brendonleerogers1794 Thanks for the suggestion. Will check it out.
Thank you for all of the support. 🥰
Thank you Brandon for this really good video 👍🏻 sub from germany 😀 I use the phantom luts for my fx6 and this video was very helpful 👌 best cinematic greetings from a still little german YT filmmaker
Thanks bud! 🙏🙏🙏
Glad it was helpful for you! 😀
When I import the phantom luts to the FX3 Ns kit view is on do I still need to over expose 2 stops or at 0 ?
Thank you for the video. Quick question. When using SLOG3 and Phantom Luts do I need to convert the footage to Rec 709 first and then drop a phantom LUT on or can I just slap one directly onto the SLOG3 footage? Thank you
I shoot on Sony A7IV and use Divinci Resolve 18
You can just apply the lut. No need to convert to rec. 709. It’s amazing ❤️
@@brendonleerogers1794 thank you for the response. So I have cinematch as well. Can I use the Phantom LUTs after I use cinematch to Target a specific cameras REC 709. Or should I just use 1 or the other since the Phantom LUTs apply the 709 as well
Thanks for the video. Phantom Lut requires PP8 but PP8 is gone. I can find slog3 and SGamut3Cine but cant find other settings equivent of PP8, knee, gamma, details, sharpness etc. In Readme, sharpness is -7 but I cant do that since PP8 is gone now.
And I dont know what to do. Please help.
Hi Brendon! Question about the zebras: in a run and gun scenario, outdoors+indoors, making a vlog style video I guess, where would you set your zebras? at 60?
Cheers,
Chris
Yeah 60’s a good middle ground for skin tones.
Moodier and darker probably around: 50-55
More high key: 65
@@brendonleerogers1794 thank you!
Thanks for the video! Quick question, whenever I am applying a LUT it comes in super intense and I have to adjust the intensity really low. I'm using some A7iv footage shot at S Cinetone, fcpx is set to uncompressed 10bit 4.2.2 is there something I'm doing wrong? Also have you used phantom LUTs with HLG footage?
Ahh that’s the issue.
The lut is only meant for slog 3 sgamut3.cine
as well as slog 2 Sgamut3.cine depending on camera.
Any other picture profile it will not work as intended unfortunately.
Great video. Now I understand why my shots looked like 💩 with the Luts😂
Thanks skip! 🙏
Does the monitor itself use the lut because my camera (a7c) doesn't have luts inside
I have a moderate background in photography and am just getting into color grading of my drone footage. In order to get an accurate "Golden Hour" color LUT, can I take a large grey card and expose it in natural "Golden Hour " light and then create a lut from it? Thanks
Yeah I’m sure you could make your own lut. I’ve even done my own log conversions in the past using a color checker as well
I wish someone would do a more in depth video, like how to use the monitor videos and examples of the best white balance etc etc etc... Never seen any good videos on using the Monitor LUT's in a Monitor and real world situation
PS. I am referring to his newer LUT packs that come with the Monitoring LUT's..
Do the in camera LUTS need to be over exposed? This is the issue I’m having. For Slog3 I’m usually between 1.7-2 stops over and footage comes out nice. However, when I add a preview LUT in camera I’m really not able to get an accurate image because of they over exposure. How do you deal with this? Are you using an SLOG3 lut or rec 709 to preview or do you apply a creative LUT? Thanks
Have you figured this out , I just got started doing this , maybe you can help me out
Curious why you apply lut at effect level versus applying it at clip level(using clip info tab). Thanks for sharing your workflow!
No particular reason tbh. You could use it in the info tab if you wanted to.
Actually recently been using an adjustment layer and just dragging it across the timeline to be even more efficient and editing the clips that way
@@brendonleerogers1794 thank you! the reason I ask is because I think the order of LUT and additional color correction in the video effects tab matter?. At least from everything I read and seen in my projects. I Was hoping to replace my current Sony slog3 -> rec709 lut with these phantom luts because they look incredible!
So my workflow would be as follows
1) phantom LUT to get me out of slog3 over to rec709(done in info tab)
2) cc with fcp to make sure exposure/contrast/skin tones/colors are correct across all my shots after edit.
3) when a project calls for something more special, I'll add adjustment layer for a "grade" (maybe using another phantom Film look at very low opacity)
Thanks again!
Correct. The exposure/color adjustments should be done before the lut effect. I believe fcpx does it automatically.
hey bro i had a question might be stupid but im new and i wanted to know when you use the neutral LUT do you have to apply a second LUT on top from Joel Famularu or do you use his luts individually
No worries 😌
Yeah each lut is used individually.
May i use these LUTs for a non s-log camera ? I have my Nikon Z6II ... How can i make these LUTs useful for my Flat picture profile shots ?
Unfortunately they won’t work on Nikon. There is only support for Sony, black magic, and arri as of now. But Joel plans to expand support for other cameras.
the film luts, are they supposed to go to basic correction tab, or to the creative tab below in lumetri premiere? are they de-log luts? or creative? as i understand the arri look luts are de-log luts and go to the basic correction tab. same goes for the film looks? meaning can I Insert the arri neutral first, and then insert the eterna in the creative lumetri tab, on an adjustment layer on top for the whole film , with an adjustable intensity like 10%?
Nah actually they’re to be used like the arri look lut as well. 100% intensity to de log the footage
@@brendonleerogers1794 thanks mate
Hey Brendon, love the video
just got a quick question. You mention at 3:30 that for when using a monitor (I have a ninja v) one should import the legacy instead of the standard version of the LUT into it. Why is that ?
I've used only the standard version so far in my ninja
Keep up the work, much love
No particu reason. Just for monitoring better. I find that flip screen on a7siii with gamma assist on is good enough for standard version. Legacy tends to be a little more contrasty so If that’s look you want in post then monitor with that lut.
I guess that’s the point I was trying to make 🥴
@@brendonleerogers1794 ohh haha, so I can continue using the standard version on my ninja ?
Yeppers 😀
i was thinking you would first convert to rec709 before applying the LUT
Nah these luts just applied like they are
HI BRother I was using an old version of Phantom lut . At first I was happy with that, but later I stopped using it. cuz it limits the black level up to 5 IRE . Is this new pack of luts could bring the dark level up to zero or is there any setting in the grading software which allows phantom lut to go beyond 5 IRE Please advise
Nah the new version is still like that. But it’s likely because of the gamma curve match to the arri rec 709.
I can ask to confirm this?
Thanks Brother....
What are you setting your zebras to? Or does it change depending on the scene?
Ah neverMind. Found it in another one of your videos! Thanks so much for All the help!
Bang Windaaaaaaaaaaaah
very good video .. i am planning on using the phantom luts, wonder if i shoukd take the film look too wt the arri lok
I would. I like using the eterna and Eastman luts. Joel’s currently working on an update for those too. So when he releases them you’ll be eligible for the update as well
@@brendonleerogers1794 that nice to hear 🙂, i will consider it. But very nice videos .. i am joining ur channel. where r u located ? i am also a fellow creator from India ☺️
Thanks rivu!!!
I’m from USA 🇺🇸
Here in Texas
Appreciate the sub brotha
@@brendonleerogers1794 great 😀 .. i hv many clients in US , i work as a online video editor and even edit fr other youtube channels, some from US too.🙂
Nice lemme see some of your stuff. Looking for an editor
Hey Brandon, little question: Are these LUTs functional on the Sony a6600? I'm searching everywhere but cannot find an answer🙄
And which pack to buy? The normal or the legacy one's?
Thank you🙏🏻
I would go with the normal first. The legacy is great but the IRE ON LEGACY is stuck at like 5 in the blacks. So it has a more slightly faded look. There should be a version for the a6600 on Joel’s website 😀
@@brendonleerogers1794 Thanks for your fast answer! So I'm wrong in thinking that the normal one is optimal for 10 bit cameras in slog3 and the legacy one for 8 bit cameras in slog2? That's what I thought after a bit of research, but I'm absolutely not sure haha...
@@DariusKohn nah its a difference in contrast and black point. standard is ideal for exposure done on display screen with gamma display assist "on"
how many stop was that fist video of wedding shot at please?
Not too sure 😖
Do they work for lower budget cameras like Sony a7iii?
They do! There’s an actual version just for the a7iii which was the first time I had used the luts was for that camera.
I even recently used them on a wedding film where we had a7iii and the siii to help better match the shots 😀
Silly Question, the Atomos Luts are the luts we upload to the monitor? or can we put the other luts on there?
Nah the atomos luts will be for monitor. Most recent update tweaked the luts the look better on atomos monitors
@@brendonleerogers1794 thank you bro! I literally found that video after I commented lol
Can I use this lut for like vlogging and set the ISO to auto and the exposure comp. to +1.00 or +1.7 or no?
Plus when shooting outdoors using slog2 do I need a filter?
It’s recommended to use an nd filter to keep you shutter angle at 180. Makes footage look more natural.
And yeah for vlogging you can set iso to auto and use exposure compensation dial. That’s how I have it set up.
You can even use aperature priority mode and have shutter speed change for you. And iso auto if you really don’t wanna fuss with it at all
Thank you for the info. Can I use these on lumafusion?
Not familiar with luma fusion but if it supports look up tables I wouldn’t see why not 😀
@@brendonleerogers1794 Thank you.
So, if I have the Phantom Luts for the A7iii with 8bit color depth, can I use them also for A7Siii 10bit footage?
Yes and no 😅
Currently the a7siii lut is different from a7iii as Joel just update the look for the a7siii but I think a7iii lut is still the original. I would imagine the contrast and gamma curve would be same between the a7iii and a7siii lut, but the colors wouldn’t.
Haven’t tried it tbh
Currently working on a wedding where we shot with both cameras once I grade it I’ll let you know 😅
@@brendonleerogers1794 do you have any news? I bought the old "legacy" lut pack for my Sony a6300 and i rented a a7siii for a project. I can't justify spending another 50 bucks just for that for the new version. I thin it should be a all in one package
It appears like the old version on a7siii footage kinda corrects the log curve but the skin tones are off. Skewing more towards yellow. At least that’s what it looks like. So colors are off but log curve corrected but it does seem more contrasty as well
@@brendonleerogers1794 thank you 👍
@@brendonleerogers1794 okay thanks for the answer. Its just a bummer for me because i dont have the budget to buy a 50usd lut just for one shoot considering i already kinda bought it
do the luts work with Sony a73?
Hey yes!
First time I bought them was for a7iii there’s versions for different cameras now
Very nice! Dose it work well on a7iii too?
It does! Slog 2!
@@brendonleerogers1794 great ! And slog2 default settings? Can't wait to shoot some and try this LUT tomorrow 😊
Awesome!
When you buy the a7iii version of the lut.
You’re given two options
Picture profile 7 standard settings
Or a custom setup of slog 2 and changing the color space in camera to sgamut3.cine
@@brendonleerogers1794 great thx I'll give a try mate
Joel said to have the zebra setting at 70 and said expose for the skin tones ... do blow out the background and make sure the skin tint is just right? I guess what I'm saying , how I expose it if the whole is is dark or bright , should I make sure the skin tone is at 60 even the back ground is over expose or under exposed ? Please help. Thank you
Correct it’s just an artistic preference. You can expose for skin and background may get blown out but if you’re trying to have subject your focus than it would be ok. But you could also expose for the background protect your highlights but then your subject would be underexposed making a silhouette. There’s really no right or wrong way. Just up to you.
I’ve used the lut both over and underexposed and noise is also not an issue in either scenario
@@brendonleerogers1794 MY VIDEOS HAVE BEEN REALLY DARK LATELY WHICH LOOKS DONT REALLY GOOD. I VE SET IT TO 70 AND RECORDING AT+-0 . ALSO I DONT LOOK AT THE ZEBRA NO MORE AND THEYRE VERY DARK ITS SO FRUSTRATING. I WASTED ALL MY VIDEO WITH REALLY DARK IMAGES AND FOOTAGE. SO WITH YOUR CONCEPT , DO I JUST IGNORE THE OVER AND UNDER EXPOSURE NUMBER AND JUST FOCUS ON THE ZEBRA? AND MAKE SURE THE ALL BACKGROUND HAVE ZEBRA AT 70 IF I DONT WANT IT TO BE DARK AND UNDER EXPOSED? ALSO WHAT IF I DONT HAV A PERSON AS A SUBJECT? LIKE SAY THE BEACH OR THE MOUNTAIN AND THE SUN IN THE BACKGROUND DURING SUNSET? I DID THIS YESTERDAY AT THE PIER , AND EVERYTHING WAS SO DARK. I WAS JUST MAKING SURE IT WAS AT 0 AND NOT LOOKING AT THE ZEBRA , WHICH WAS A BIG MISTAKE.
I have a video talking about exposing slog 3
th-cam.com/video/HD7V8rnUgFI/w-d-xo.html
That’s unfortunate to hear. Typically outside with no human subject in the shot I have zebras set to 95 and expose just under 95.
My main piece of advice is to ignore the light meter reading. Depending on what your filming in the frame, can have a huge impact on your light meter reading.
My first go to is to have the gamma display assist on in the flip screen and get the exposure close to what I am seeing with my eye.
Then if I’m shooting a subject I turn on zebras to see how the zebras are landing on the face. Making sure I’m not clipping the skin tones. Same concept for landscape shots/ establishing shots.
Expose based off of your eye and the display monitor and then use zebras to dial it in a little finer.
Most the time if it’s fast paced filming I’ll only get a chance to expose based on the flip screen. And it gets me to where I want majority of the time.
"you guys" :)
Does this support sony a74
There’s not an official lut for a74? But I’ve used a7siii lut for the a74 since sensors are pretty much same
I have the phantom luts they’re beautiful. Do they have rec709 built in or do you have to add it at some point?
There’s a standard arri lut and then additional looks provided
@@brendonleerogers1794 so you add the neutral one first and then the film look?
Nah they all have their own look once applied I guess I misunderstood your question
@@brendonleerogers1794 ok that’s what I thought just making sure. Thank you 🙏
I wasted my money on these. There is no way to adjust the effect of these on footage as the all convert to rec709. The looks are all nice but very intense and there is nothing you can do about it. The neutral one is decent if you just want some usuable picture with almost no work. But it will be a very generic look.
In DaVinci Resolve you must use the "Key Output" tool (and another tool that I forgot the name of) to adjust the intensity of the LUT.