2022 Commander Precons: Worst to Best | Which Commander Decks Are Most Worth Buying?

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  • It's time for the 2022 precon wrap-up, so we're ranking EVERY precon that came out this year from worst to best!
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  • @frost3461
    @frost3461 ปีที่แล้ว +153

    24. Draconic Dissent
    23. Painbow
    22. Chaos Incarnate
    21. Upgrades Unleashed
    20. Maestros Massacre
    19. Mind Flayarrrs
    18. Riveteers Rampage
    17. Buckle Up
    16. Bedecked Brokers
    15. Legends Legacy
    14. Mishra's Burnished Banner
    13. Draconic Destruction
    12. First Flight
    11. Tyranid Swarm
    10. Caberetti Cacophony
    9. Forces of the Imperium
    8. Token triumph
    7. Urza's Iron Alliance
    6. Ruinous Powers
    5. Grave Danger
    4. Obscura Operation
    3. Party Time
    2. Necron Dynasty
    1. Exit From Exile

  • @scottreed6766
    @scottreed6766 ปีที่แล้ว +568

    No other content creators have done anything like this. This video really does offer me a place to steer new players into purchasing the right precon to play commander. Great work and I hope to see more content like this in 2023.

    • @NitpickingNerds
      @NitpickingNerds  ปีที่แล้ว +46

      We do all the content!!!

    • @brunogauthier9469
      @brunogauthier9469 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@malakimphoros2164 Well we can't know for sure if their gonna like it since they are new players.

    • @teknyte-1
      @teknyte-1 ปีที่แล้ว

      @guysthatmagic did this 2 weeks ago

    • @caligo7918
      @caligo7918 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The Professor from the Tolarian Community College grades all the precons when they come out.

    • @billysmith8319
      @billysmith8319 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Guys that Magic do this content as well, I'm happy that lots of people do as everyone's perspective gives different info which is great

  • @Lamos01
    @Lamos01 ปีที่แล้ว +84

    Guys! U should really do a tierlist with all the precons so far (period). That would be cool. Just make them fit in S,A,B,C,D (or any shorter/longer combination tbh) tiers so that would be easier to figure them out.

    • @user-fl7zn2tn9q
      @user-fl7zn2tn9q ปีที่แล้ว

      Surprised even that this video wasn't done like that

  • @EDZ1LLA
    @EDZ1LLA ปีที่แล้ว +62

    I bought the Party Time deck to get the black market connections to put in another deck I was building. Played a few games with the unaltered precon and had so much fun that I didn't end up changing it. And I didn't even make the deck I was going to put the black market connections in anyway! Love that deck, especially with Burakos as the commander.

    • @jonathanblaqk
      @jonathanblaqk ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The deck is top notch and Burakos is a lot of fun as a Commander.

    • @darkmagicianfan3423
      @darkmagicianfan3423 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yea I really love the party theme idea. Picked up some upgrades for the deck like divining top. Putting death touch on a card like Sigrid is awesome.

    • @lupash
      @lupash ปีที่แล้ว +2

      more than all I'm glad to see I'm not the only one buying precons just for a few cards for other decks

  • @spark1128
    @spark1128 ปีที่แล้ว +98

    I was thinking Necron was going to be first except for the price because it’s definitively one of the craziest decks this year.

  • @JuancitoMarVel
    @JuancitoMarVel ปีที่แล้ว +21

    I started Magic again back in July, and my friends got me a Faldorn deck as my first precon. Absolutely love to see how you guys rated that deck, it really got me back into loving the game again!

    • @jaredhammonds8255
      @jaredhammonds8255 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Bought it for my daughter knowing nothing about it and she absolutely destroyed me

    • @jamesrenegade1010
      @jamesrenegade1010 ปีที่แล้ว

      Such a great deck

  • @soulstaygray
    @soulstaygray ปีที่แล้ว +7

    When I realized Exit From Exile was number one, I was SHOOK bc I started playing Magic/Commander this year and that was my first precon. Love Green, love the ramp, loved this deck while I was rocking. Great video

  • @grumpyinbrooklyn6347
    @grumpyinbrooklyn6347 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    I actually LOVE Painbow but as a base for other 5c decks. I've turned it into a modular deck, sort of 4/5 in one. One version with Jared, one with Jenson and working on two more modules

    • @fhgwdads05
      @fhgwdads05 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Same. Hell, Painbow actually is semi-functional if your gameplan is "wipe the board and hit folks with big tramplers". The nerds are a bit hard on it for low-power tables, I think. Any place with enough removal to keep Jared or key pieces off the board is going to steamroll it, but I've won with Mana Cannons, Jared's Kavu & +1/+1 generation, and Knight of New Alara. Selvala, Explorer Returned is just weak enough to often ignore direct attention but can generate you an absolute metric ton of green mana.
      I've literally won with this deck by going under the radar when my fellow players at the table ignored me because I was "only playing a precon". It's certainly far from amazing but I think it's important recognize there's a lot more variance among deck power in the community than youtube might indicate.

    • @LightYagami25
      @LightYagami25 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I’ve actually won quite a few games with my Painbow deck with 4 players total. It’s not a bad precon at all.
      Hellkite and Okagami are 2 creatures I use a lot, Maelstrom is a great board wipe, and that Primeval Spawn is a hilarious trick to pop up.
      There’s a lot of other cards that have contributed to me winning matches such as the mutate and bestow cards and the Chromanticore is awesome.

    • @grumpyinbrooklyn6347
      @grumpyinbrooklyn6347 ปีที่แล้ว

      @LightYagami25 I agree that it's not bad at all out of the box but it requires the player to think "out of the box" more than most (not necessarily a bad thing either). But I wanted to abuse the 5c part with Jenson too, so turning it into a "transformer" modular was too tempting let it pass! I even thought about getting a second one to leave as is!

    • @MrZer093
      @MrZer093 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Same. I just took it apart for the cheap 5c mana base. Dihada is the cooler commander anyways

    • @duckyleehazards7737
      @duckyleehazards7737 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I also love painbow. Don't know why they say there is not win condition. Win condition is pretty simple, cast some beat sticks, pump beat sticks win game. Infinity combos don't always have to be the win conditions.

  • @austinturgoose
    @austinturgoose ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Honestly I love the new Mishra deck! Its synergies with Brudiclad have been one of the most fun parts to explore. Can’t wait to upgrade it and attack with a whole bunch of reaver titans

    • @lachlanspeedy2692
      @lachlanspeedy2692 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Same! I love mishra plus brudiclad and machine gods effigy

    • @TuttifruttiNinja
      @TuttifruttiNinja ปีที่แล้ว

      Somehow I have never drawn into brudiclad and I've played it 8 times or so.
      It still works really well though! Portal to phyrexia is nasty in that deck (upgraded).

    • @AidyJames
      @AidyJames ปีที่แล้ว

      Same here, too. Since I upgraded it, it's become one of the most potent decks in my rather high-power central London play group.
      All it really took was some key additions like Hoard Hauler (which is nuts with Brudiclad), Gonti's Aether Heart, and Portal to Phyrexia. Vehicles in particular have overperformed, too - I love Imposter Mech and Weatherlight generates so much consistency and value.

    • @AidyJames
      @AidyJames ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lachlanspeedy2692 Machine God's Effigy is insane.

    • @TuttifruttiNinja
      @TuttifruttiNinja ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AidyJames Do you think you could somehow share the decklist maybe? Do you know a good site where you can find curated decklist of well designed commander decks?
      I like edhrec but the volume of available Decks is overwhelming sometimes and a good few of them are really bad

  • @xx_swag_dinkster_xx2724
    @xx_swag_dinkster_xx2724 ปีที่แล้ว +73

    Chaos incarnate is actually really good against the other starter decks but that’s about it 😂

    • @NitpickingNerds
      @NitpickingNerds  ปีที่แล้ว +10

      #Metagame!

    • @swampyswamperton6536
      @swampyswamperton6536 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      i mean tbh all the starter decks are only good vs the starter decks lol

    • @frostyshen689
      @frostyshen689 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@swampyswamperton6536 idk man the tyrannid deck has stomped a couple of our games outside of the precon decks

    • @protein5207
      @protein5207 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@frostyshen689 they're talking specifically about the precons labeled as "starters".

    • @crimsonbrotherhood
      @crimsonbrotherhood ปีที่แล้ว +2

      My first time playing it I went against 3 non precons. I knocked out 2 players but lost to the last player one turn before I had him beat. Everyone playing couldn't believe how good it was playing.

  • @jonathandoherty9082
    @jonathandoherty9082 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Draconic Dissent was such a good deck. One of my favorites.

    • @joeyshuffles
      @joeyshuffles ปีที่แล้ว

      just picked it up yesterday for $32. Super excited to try it out!

  • @JohnMendiolaJWDM
    @JohnMendiolaJWDM ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Just wanted to say that I really appreciated the idea behind this video as well as the insights throughout. Awesome recap!

  • @ak2298
    @ak2298 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Captain Ngathrod?!?? That is one of the best synergistic fun precon decks I have seen (and I’m not the one in my playgroup who plays it), to add: Horrors have gotten pretty bonkers…super strong and super nasty! This deck works almost every time I have seen it and does just so many things!…cannot believe this rating here

    • @jamesrenegade1010
      @jamesrenegade1010 ปีที่แล้ว

      Eh take it with a grain of salt. 🙃😊

    • @farbenluxus1972
      @farbenluxus1972 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      THought nearly the same. I play with this deck and it is sooo much fun to remove all the big dragons and stuff directly into the graveyard and get at least one of them joining my party. Ofc it has its weaknesses but in my opinion this is way underrated. :D

    • @craigandrews7544
      @craigandrews7544 ปีที่แล้ว

      Fave horrors to add?

  • @sammartin8746
    @sammartin8746 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The tyranids get very large pools of mana with extremely little effort so the over paying for the ravenous isn't an issue, also when you copy a spell all instances of X are copied so with Lucea Kane it essentially also gives you a bonus card for whichever spell you copy
    (I've played many times my very lightly modified version of the deck and by turn 6 onwards I've found I've had easy access to 12+ mana)
    the modifications were basically just defiler of vigour, the neon dynasty channel lands, spinal parasite (because I like the card), iridescent hornbeetle, and maybe one or two other cards (Unbound flourishing is in there too and things certainly get amusing if it comes into play)

  • @connorjennings4203
    @connorjennings4203 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I’ve been blown out by the Golden Throne a few times. On the surface it doesn’t look great but it lets you get some mana in a pinch but most important it lets you swing out completely and not worry about crackback.

  • @magicth
    @magicth ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Great video! And I love seeing some decks I didn’t know existed mainly the starter commander decks. Cool that they are actually pretty solid for that price. Thank you for the thorough breakdown 🙏🏻

  • @TSOWizard
    @TSOWizard ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Gonna do a bit of a nitpick myself: Mageslayer does WORK in my Wulfgar deck. I've won games with it before (along with other synergistic cards in play, admittedly). But still, can be good in the right deck.

  • @owa1985
    @owa1985 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I have the Imperium deck and I played it with Greyfax with exactly your attittude towards her. At first. It turns out that having a tapper that also kinda anthems the overmana costed (vanilla rule-wise) confused guys in the deck is hilarious value. She's way better than I initially thought. So much so that I now cannot decide if Marney's a better commander or not. As an added bonus, she typically flies under the radar unlike the Ultramarines' number 2.

  • @johnpaulchua3920
    @johnpaulchua3920 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I could have sworn Necron Dynasties is the best of the bunch. But great review as always! Want to have more videos like this.

  • @collinblazer
    @collinblazer ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The upgrade unleashed chishiro precon is so good. You give your big guy a mage slayer like Taurean mauler or Ascendant acolyte and you can quickly destroy planeswalkers and usually get A LOT of free damage. Orochi is really really good when you play a grumgully then a huge smoke spirit aid to get alot of 2/2 menace spirits that can tap for 2 green each. The smoke spirit's aid is a really good card once you realize that with the commander it creates a spirit for every extra mana you put into it.

    • @the_salty_pudding355
      @the_salty_pudding355 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      See I'm glad I'm not the only one who realizes that too! The nitpicking nerds are always sleeping on the fun and cool cards

    • @quickaswink
      @quickaswink ปีที่แล้ว

      I love this deck. Its a cheap pick-up and for like 10-15 bucks you got a pretty great deck. I love picking it up and just have a blaat with huge creatures

  • @sufifi
    @sufifi ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I bought the Chaos Incarnate as a Christmas gift for my nephew and I was actually surprised at how well it performed, basically you want to maintain some form of balance of power, use your removals if something really threatening hits the board, then watch your opponents kill one another. Fun deck to play but I'll admit that drawing cards like Breath of Malfegor doens't make you feel too good ^^ Also the deck could be improved for cheap with cards like Malakir Rebirth or Supernatural Stamina which allow you to trigger your Commander multiple times. Very fun deck to play, definitely give it a shot :)

    • @robfelton5120
      @robfelton5120 ปีที่แล้ว

      Literally used chaos against a greensleeves deck and a vehicle deck and it has another creature in the deck that goads whenever a land enters battlefield you can make goad each turn until u really need to play kardur and i made them damage each other whilst i set up tonnes of utility in enchantments and creatures tohat effected them

  • @gerardoramos3179
    @gerardoramos3179 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The amount of work that probably went into this video is insane! Thank you so much for all the content ❤️
    Also to answer at the end, exit from exile is number 1 😬

  • @elephantguy0790
    @elephantguy0790 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Mind Flayers is really strong, if it works. I once got almost all the manarocks in the deck out and I played my commander turn 3 but once board wipes and artifact kills came out I basically got steamrolled

  • @mitchthegreat
    @mitchthegreat ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey! I lost my father to cancer Christmas eve. I had a lot of down time handling things and not working. Your videos kept my mind elsewhere. Thanks for the great content

  • @FaB-Bear
    @FaB-Bear ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Seeing someone complain about Nighthawk in a precon feels weird

  • @damdaley8092
    @damdaley8092 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    i started playing magic this year so seeing all of these precons ranked against each other makes me happy

  • @MrHoneuma
    @MrHoneuma ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I got Buckle Up for I think $20. Recently started playing and upgrading it more for a pretty decent amount of success. Vehicles tend to be on the cheaper end of cards, so pretty easy to get ahold of them. I know Shorikai is technically the better commander, but I've enjoyed running it with Kotori and a bunch of artifact creatures.

  • @randymotter51
    @randymotter51 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The Swarmlord really ought to sit down and have a nice long conversation with Animar. My boy loves Ravenous something fierce.

  • @chungusamongus3141
    @chungusamongus3141 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Luxior, Giada's Gift makes Painbow completely fine, commander that prints tokens, buffs 2 creatures including himself every few turns, etc. Hes a good stompy boy.

  • @juts89
    @juts89 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I like the idea of painbow. You can bring it to a solid 6/10 with some small swaps and a revamp of the mana base. I've had some blowouts with it with, especially with Luxior, Giada's Gift. Usually i've got 1 or 2 all color creatures by the time I play jared, then its 2 ~10/10's, some with evasion.
    Also, mana cannons is amazing.

    • @kiddbrm
      @kiddbrm ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I’ve played the Jared pre on maybe 8 times and I won all besides maybe 1 game so I’m surprised it’s so low on the list lol

    • @claramonti3889
      @claramonti3889 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      switch it to Jodah, change some stuff, kick ass

    • @trilja6665
      @trilja6665 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@claramonti3889 if you switch your commander from Jared to jodah. It's nowhere near the same deck...

  • @WolfmanXD
    @WolfmanXD ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I bought the firk deck, modified it a little bit, but changed my commander to will and Rowan, and it's actually fairly fun. But right now I'm working on making it something completely different. I actually really like carthalion. It's definitely built to drop 5 color creatures and pump them up to swing wide. It's funny you say o-kagachi is a dud, since every time I drop o-kagachi I seem to become public enemy number one.

  • @wakefieldwade4019
    @wakefieldwade4019 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I have been waiting for this one.. a favorite of my favorites annual NN vids

    • @NitpickingNerds
      @NitpickingNerds  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah this one is awesome! Took us SIX HOURS to export for some reason tho

  • @tjhove7855
    @tjhove7855 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This is exceptional content. Kudos to you two for all the work that obviously went into it.

  • @StateofMindJscj
    @StateofMindJscj ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Super interesting seeing your take as high power players. We have a precon league we do and dihada is def top tier. Ashling pilgrim works amazing with your commander plus 2. Even if she only has 3 counters, with lifelink thats going to gain you a ton of life. Mageslayer has also gotten people a ton of wins. Being able to deal the damage even though everyone has blockers can be insanely strong

  • @nosniboR_naI
    @nosniboR_naI ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Caberetti catcophony was one of the strongest precon’s I’ve played although the face comander is bad the much better one is phabeen which is a whole package, card draw, token maker, and the lord, all wrapped into one. If you get a few upgrades, it makes it the deck really strong, fast.

  • @Phanda92
    @Phanda92 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love the content. Paused for naming the #1 deck which of course is Exit from Exile. The 4 D&D commander precons was my first baby step into commander and those decks has thoroughly hooked me in.

  • @dylanhansen5852
    @dylanhansen5852 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    smoke spirit aid in chishiro is pretty damn good, you get a 2/2 with menace for each 1 you pay into x, as well as a treasure when the creature dies. It's one of the few cards I've kept in from the precon and it still overperforms every time

    • @brandyourfan9244
      @brandyourfan9244 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's also great in Hinata, Dawn Crowned.
      Target every creature on board for cheap, then watch a board wipe turn all of it into treasure 😍

    • @Unnonamus
      @Unnonamus ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Throw a setessan champion in there and get a +1/+1 counter and card draw for each 1 as well.

    • @brandyourfan9244
      @brandyourfan9244 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Unnonamus That's amazing.
      I think Eidolon of Blossoms works too

  • @aidanjudd3460
    @aidanjudd3460 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Whelp, all 3 precons that I bought last year (Painbow, Upgrades Unleashed and Mind Flayarrrs) were in the bottom 5. I've personally loved all 3 of these decks. I understand the ranking is considering them straight out of the box, but once upgraded, all 3 are really fun and strong imo

  • @matthewcartermusic
    @matthewcartermusic ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I ended up combining the Painbow and Legends Legacy decks and then using Jodah as the commander. It is super powerful with a little bit of work, plus Keri-Zev is really good in it.

  • @jeremymoore7167
    @jeremymoore7167 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    try taking painbow and replace jared with jodah the unifier and it works very well.

  • @Slo-Mode
    @Slo-Mode ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I knew exit from Exile was going to be number 1 from the start. I have a friend that has it in it's base form, and it's really pops off even against "real" decks 5 times it's cost or more

  • @Captdimitri
    @Captdimitri ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That Gruul DnD Deck, just because y'all didn't mention it yet, it came with Jeskas Will, DBFB, and Three Visits. Wild stuff.
    Fantastic content, you two. My patreon money is damn well spent.
    Edit: I was right! Exit from Exile! Tell me I cheated.

  • @outlawmajor1618
    @outlawmajor1618 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Got the Party Time Deck for Birthday and the Necron Dynastie Deck on Christmas from my roommate. I'm still happy about her presents. Love both of this Decks. So good in the strategy and the synergy

  • @andrewsutherland1909
    @andrewsutherland1909 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I feel like people underestimate Mind Flayarrrs. I did a budget $50 upgrade increasing the mill aspect and if someone doesn't win by like turn 6 (I play in a combat focused group) it just runs away with the game. The horrors don't need to be as strong as elf or goblin tribal because they are just there to fuel the best part of the deck, stealing! I love playing this deck because by turn 6-8 I'm milling like 10 cards off the top of everyones decks and choosing the best creatures to beef my side up.

    • @KEN_KEN_KEN
      @KEN_KEN_KEN ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I have a buddy who upgraded into the mill aspect and it’s bonkers how crazy it goes past like turn 5. He’ll mill like 75% of your deck in like a turn.

    • @andrewsutherland1909
      @andrewsutherland1909 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@KEN_KEN_KEN I become the main target of the table the moment I start swinging with my commander out lmao

  • @jessesandburg
    @jessesandburg ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Your patreon is blowing up! Proud of your guys success. Been watching for quite some time now.

  • @jessereset10
    @jessereset10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Chaos incarnate is going to better once I put Blim at the helm and make it complete chaos. Win con? *Scoffs* Who needs that? CHAOS.

  • @hjskillman
    @hjskillman ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I transformed Exit from Exile into a Minsc and Boo deck and really liked the few games I played with it out of the box!

  • @counterclockwisepup5237
    @counterclockwisepup5237 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Faldorn is also my pet commander for this year, but Dihada is actually a very close runner up for me! I've been tweaking and tuning her constantly, spinning a few planswalkers and synergies for them in her and I'm really enjoying it.
    I LOVED Ashling in there before upgrading. Using Dihada's + to give her lifelink and indestructible then resolving her ability the final time is INSANE. I fell out laughing at the life total swing the first time I did it lmao
    And yeah, even when I have token copies of Dihada and three Chain Veil triggers on a turn I have never been interested in her final ability. She's strictly great beats or digging

    • @pacman6111
      @pacman6111 ปีที่แล้ว

      I've turned my Dihada deck into a self mill, treasure, recursion deck and It makes the -3 absolutely insane.

  • @dyldragon1
    @dyldragon1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I personally loved Bedecked Brokers. I know most people say Perrie is a crappy commander, but I think he's so dope

  • @drewmares145
    @drewmares145 ปีที่แล้ว

    Absolutely honored to have this as my birthday video! Great info and a good summary of all the decks

  • @Dulcimer.MP3
    @Dulcimer.MP3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    As soon as you revealed the number 2 deck, I knew Exit from exile would be number one!
    Im new to Magic and got Exit from Exile this year because Im a big D&D fan so the D&D decks caught my eye. Needless to say I was curious to see where you would rank it, and didn't expect it to be the top entry! I lucked into that buy haha

  • @dorsalfin22
    @dorsalfin22 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    For upgrades unleashed, to make it unique from other aura/equipment decks, but also to reduce the feels bads of drawing the wrong half of your deck, I made almost all of the cards in the deck able to fit BOTH roles. So they can be the creature OR the modifier. This includes Reconfigure, Living Weapon, and of course Licids. Just added some For Mirrodin! cards too. It plays differently than the typical aura or equipment deck because it incentivizes you to spread them out and not put them all on one creature, which I really like. Really good commander design but the deck out of the box was definitely unfocused

  • @andrewsutherland1909
    @andrewsutherland1909 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I got Token Triumph for xmas and man it surprised me when I played it. Unless someone has a boardwipe ready I'm already going wide with 10+ creatures a few turns after the commander comes out.

  • @ix8750
    @ix8750 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I bought the party time deck and I switched from Nalia to Buruko and folk hero background and I put the black market connections in my card hungry Skullbriar deck. :)

  • @justinross7469
    @justinross7469 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My best friend bought me the bedecked brokers deck as a birthday gift last year. I have replaced about 20 to 25 cards, granted budget not being a factor but trying to keep with the different counter flavor of the deck in mind. It definitely can hold its own far as power goes but what I never imagined was just how fun it could be. There is a ton of cards that you can replace the dud's with in all price ranges that have some random counter you never even knew was in magic. Then just double your counters/strength on perry and whack someone with 40+ commander damage trampling rhino to the face.

  • @DBanner16
    @DBanner16 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm just here to say that Colossal Plow has pulled a lot of weight for me in multiple games with Shorikai. Only takes 2 pilots to crew and I usually end up getting 9 mana and 9 life from it

  • @samuelemonaci
    @samuelemonaci ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I bought exit from exile to get some cards for decks I already had, but after playing it once I couldnt take it apart it was so much fun, really a home run of a precon

  • @Momo_pstat4
    @Momo_pstat4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love my chishiro the shattered blade deck… had to remove nearly every aura from the deck. And the only auras that are left either enchant lands, 1 curse, and whip silk as it defenantly designed for this deck. Its now equipments first and counters second, with auras not existing.

    • @xero8515
      @xero8515 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nice, I did mine the opposite and focused in on auras which also works very well. If it's not in your deck check out Arterial Alchemy. It is great for either strategy. 3 mana for 3 bodies and 3 equipment that have an alternate use of looting is a win win.

  • @Red-Yo
    @Red-Yo ปีที่แล้ว +2

    actually useful content to a new player like me. i will actually start playing by the weekend and i have put it off for so long because all the info can be much. you guys made it so easy ! thank you !

  • @nathanstruble8587
    @nathanstruble8587 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very surprised y’all are so low on Next of Kin from the Henzie deck. You’re so right the precon is a real struggle, but it moves at an excellent 6/10 pace with even a few swaps I found. When you improve the creatures across the board a little Next of Kin becomes significantly better imo.
    On a mod cmc creature with an instant speed sac outlet you can really threaten the table with a variety of creature based response. Very toolbox like in that regard

  • @Poor_Greedo
    @Poor_Greedo ปีที่แล้ว +8

    You guys are the best. That is all. ❤
    Edit: nice job with the clean ROYGBIV on the Painbow section. It’s the little things 🌈

  • @cameronyoutube3367
    @cameronyoutube3367 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Mind Flayarrrs needs such littles mods before it becomes absolutely cracked in comparison to the majority of these other precons.

    • @JonReid01
      @JonReid01 ปีที่แล้ว

      What mods did you add? off the top of your head

    • @andrewsutherland1909
      @andrewsutherland1909 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I did a $50 budget upgrade increasing the mill and it became one of my most powerful decks. I even had to stop using it cause it was just steamrolling lol

    • @cameronyoutube3367
      @cameronyoutube3367 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@JonReid01 I was actually really new when I did it and just followed GuysThatMagic 100$ upgrade guide

  • @ShteebVS
    @ShteebVS ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Buckle Up is one of my favorites. Slightly upgraded mine (mechtitan ofc + others) and often times no one can clear my board. Sometimes I feel bad for using it until the morph decks come out

  • @quarterbakcrunch4143
    @quarterbakcrunch4143 ปีที่แล้ว

    for the chaos incarnate precon reign of the pit is good going up against blue because if you play wild fire devils which is in the precon, you can just roll a die if it rolls your number or numbers you get reign of the pit for free. you can sacrafice a different creature so you're just trading lower power cards for a giant creature with flying. the precon is good for playing against groups of 4-6 players so having 4-5 players sac a creature and you getting a a 8/8- 15/15 dragon is pretty broken. while you have that dragon, you play your commander so that all the creatures get goaded and then because the creatures will be tapped, you can swing at someone for a boatload of damage.

  • @whyareyoubothering
    @whyareyoubothering ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Huge disagree on Smoke Spirits but I do have a regular of broodiclad and hinata at my LGS so maybe I’ve only seen it’s best use case.

  • @teferitoots8043
    @teferitoots8043 ปีที่แล้ว

    The line that always comes to my head when you discuss deck tech is the Joe Cherries "Ya Basic!" line. Lol 🤣

  • @brettdawson7236
    @brettdawson7236 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    you guys are my fav channel. love both your personalities. super fun channel and interaction on social media yall are awesome.

  • @infinitedaryl2267
    @infinitedaryl2267 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great content as always. I’ve been debating about what Precon I want. You’ve sold me on Party Time!

  • @imarinobr
    @imarinobr ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome vid and format! Very helpful! Please keep making this type of material. Thanks!

  • @Vespin123
    @Vespin123 ปีที่แล้ว

    So I’m new to magic and want to play commander so I found this video right, that start of this video had me DYING. Someone at a card shop told me to get dragons dissent and I was like “mmm na” and this gentleman in the video hits it hard “coming in at DEAD LAST”, I spit my soda all over the floor thanks!!!!

  • @MforMovesets
    @MforMovesets ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Warhammer precon is just amazing to play. Its also well balanced even though the Necron got super expensive. Magus from Tyranids deck is an amazing and unique Commander. Chaos is fun. With the Empire I only had unlucky rounds so far, sadly.

  • @kkplx
    @kkplx ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very high quality content. Well done.

  • @wadelee05903
    @wadelee05903 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Whoa, Indomitable archangel is a great card. For any equipment or vehicle deck it's a must own. How could you not want your equipment to be protected from targeted spell abilities?

  • @mraidandm
    @mraidandm ปีที่แล้ว

    I JUST GOT MINE!!!! this is probably the best box I’ve ever owned. I play competitive stax which is very meta dependent so having a box that holds my 100 double hard sleeved deck, along with the extra cards per meta, and dice/tokens needed in just one box. Phenomenal. A+.

  • @ericsanchz
    @ericsanchz ปีที่แล้ว

    Excited for more shuffle scuffle and whatever new video ideas you have for next year! Keep it up guys

  • @Falconi510
    @Falconi510 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I actually like the pain bow deck overall for a 5 color Precon I was expecting it to be way worse. Although not very powerful it is very fun and with a few upgrades I could see it doing some work

  • @brettdawson7236
    @brettdawson7236 ปีที่แล้ว

    "I'm not gonna deal with vampire nighthawk. THATS ASS!" Yall got me cracking up in the airport

  • @prew123
    @prew123 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was very lucky that I started playing last year. I picked Exit from Exile because I thought, awesome a wolfpack.
    All my friends were amazed by how good this deck was.

  • @David_Odie
    @David_Odie ปีที่แล้ว

    My birthday was the day this video released..... Thanks!

  • @sicknor3230
    @sicknor3230 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Reaver Cleaver gives you treasures for the damage done to a player + trample and +1/+1. In your example it would create 7 treasures. that card is amazing. Loving Legends Legacy. Great Video Guys

  • @avatarofpapermagic
    @avatarofpapermagic ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Have I told you Joe and Beezy how much I love you today without making you feel uncomfortable?

  • @vinnythewebsurfer
    @vinnythewebsurfer ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I don’t even care for the power level or flavor of the 40k decks (it was all pretty great stuff even if I have….. problems with imperium/chaos being forced into singular decks), the fact that they were willing to have unique art for every card in those kinda pisses me off because there’s no reason regular precons decks never did that even before when precons dropped once a year instead of there being precons for every main Set release

  • @aguywhocodes
    @aguywhocodes ปีที่แล้ว

    Emmara came from Guilds of Ravnica and the Selesnya theme was convoke. Of course there were multiple ways to tap here.

  • @ALTR_no_EGO
    @ALTR_no_EGO ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Gentlemen, I bought the Cabaretti Pre-Con, ripped out all the goad, and swapped the Commander for Jinnie Fay. Cabaretti Confluence is one of the finishers in it. You drop it, and make 3 copies of The Boss's Chauffeur. They die at the end of the turn, and become a giant army of cats. It takes a turn cycle, but it's so funny.
    It has the bones for a great Naya token deck.

  • @GrizzneyGames
    @GrizzneyGames ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm sad to see painbow so low, but I agree. I had bought it and legends legacy, combined the two, and buffed it. Then, I put Jodah, the Unifier as the commander. That is my favorite deck I own, and it practically plays itself.

  • @kismet8010
    @kismet8010 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Draconic Destruction upgrade when???

  • @johnwhitby8851
    @johnwhitby8851 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I am curious why the hate on vampire nighthawk? 2/3 flying death touch and lifelink for only 3 cmc. Please enlighten me. :)

    • @slimyfister
      @slimyfister ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It doesn't have many homes... If you need to kill stuff, use real removal , if you want to prevent attacks there's so many better cards, if you need the lifelink why run a 3mv creature for that effect. Only thing it seems passable for is being a vampire that can do all of the above but seems a likely cut even from vampire decks for being too expensive... I'd definitely rather run gifted aetherborn but that card is bad too

    • @johnwhitby8851
      @johnwhitby8851 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@slimyfister thank you for this response. That all makes a lot of sense. In my head was giving it more value as an all in one kind of thing. But, you make valid points that it may not even hit what you need it to.

    • @condrecomics
      @condrecomics ปีที่แล้ว

      Also because Nighthawk Scavenger kinda made it obsolete

  • @xero8515
    @xero8515 ปีที่แล้ว

    I know you guys hate on mage slayer but it is fantastic in my Wolfgar deck that doubles attack triggers. Equip to wolfgar and turn sideways. Stack the triggers so melee resolves first, defending player takes 20 dmg before even declaring blockers.

  • @joegodfrey8044
    @joegodfrey8044 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If you swap out firkragg with Lozhan Draconic dissent improves significantly.

  • @shoresy6927
    @shoresy6927 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Shit. My first deck ever was Draconic Dissent. I started recently this year

    • @NealsMomslover
      @NealsMomslover ปีที่แล้ว

      Me too. Feelsbadman. I got the Mindflayars right after and liked that one a lot better.

  • @Breviparopus
    @Breviparopus ปีที่แล้ว

    The best upgrades for budget for token triumph are to take out all the ramp and add creatures with: tap tap an untaped creature you control, add one manna of any colour to your manna pool as well as survivors encampment and shamanic revelation

  • @JustforKikX
    @JustforKikX ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Gotta go with Faldorn and Mishra. I haven't upgraded precons in a long time but I actually did with these two. Personally I think Mishra is better than Urza.

  • @yuen4817
    @yuen4817 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is a much needed list for people like me lol thank you and happy new years/happy birthday to the nitpicking nerds!

  • @niv6570
    @niv6570 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Mind flayerrrr actually won me a precon event! It's quite functional but yes too little draw to keep the steam going

  • @RvBnerd618
    @RvBnerd618 ปีที่แล้ว

    As someone that eventually got back into Commander thanks to the 40k collab, I'm happy that even the "weak" precon deck Tyranid Swarm is still good enough by precon standards. Bought that one at a local shop with a great owner that liked Age of Sigmar Champions like I did, if not for the Universe Beyond set I'd probably not play Magic of any type. $60 was a fair price point.
    Hopefully I'll be able to stick around much longer now that I'm back into this game. Great tier list overall as it helps highlight each new decks pros and cons.

  • @chrishartman5200
    @chrishartman5200 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just got back into magic after a 7 year hiatus. Hadn’t ever played EDH and my local game store pretty much only played EDH. So, I purchased Painbow because I had a five color bringer deck, and merged them. I enjoy playing it.
    Now to see what pre cons to pick up!

  • @robertlaporte4626
    @robertlaporte4626 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What's with all the Hate on Vampire Nighthawk. It's a perfect budget card for what it is. Flying, Death touch, and Lifelink. You call a card with decent power toughness and 3 Cool abilities trash?

  • @JetNAmplify
    @JetNAmplify ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh yeah!! I had had to sit here and think about it for a moment but it's definantly exit from exile. I've been playing that deck for a month or two and it's sick. I love it so much. I'm going all In on making as many wolves as possible and doing big overrun things.
    Love that deck so much.

  • @thickpickles2325
    @thickpickles2325 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "Best channel ever" Love it

  • @RenzZlax
    @RenzZlax ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love the modified deck purely just cuz grull go big. Ive been trying to upgrade it but I see now without the commander the deck doesn’t glue the 3 ideas together super well