2023 Commander Precons: Worst to Best | Which Commander Decks Are Most Worth Buying?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ธ.ค. 2023
- We are ranking EVERY precon that came out in 2022, going from the worst to the best!
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Real ones will remember this from yesterday lol
I was honestly sad when it was gone...
Same
I thought I was going crazy! Started watching yesterday and wanted to resume but it had disappeared from my history…
I was starting to think I drank too much over the holidays. What's the story with the re-upload? Could the internet not handle Mia's top she was wearing at the beginning of the video?
Was confused lol
I was SO confused, but am now so relieved the video is back
Back and better!
Made only a handful of changes to my Eowyn deck and it absolutely took over the table - I was VERY surprised! Yeah, it's explosive!
Yay! Watched some yesterday. Went to finish it this morning and POOF! Gonzo
Amber is goaded!! Huge fan of the faerie precon and out of the box it played super well. Also very new player friendly which is a huge advantage as a loaner deck.
The Rohan deck is so fricking good, I've been loving Aragorn as a commander. So many people ignore his no-blocks monarch effect and if you happen to lose the monarch, he gives it back. The blue and white let's you use human hate bears and aragorn let's them hit face
I also prefer Aragorn as the commander, I think the deck functions better with him since theres a lot of monarch specific cards, vigilance and lifelink are great qualities too. They didn't even mention the busted forth eorilingas card. That card can kill the whole table given the right board state.
Nice to see in TH-cam different rankings and opinions about 2023 commander precons, and how good is the lost caverns of Ixalan expansion.
I personally have loved the masters of evil deck and haven’t found the issues you talked about happing like if you are aggressive your making Dalek and drawing cards and it does have a bit of spread in focus but it’s about being aggressive and having some kind of protection through goad or having a army or cyber man
I was shocked I tells ya! Shocked that masters of evil was the lowest ranked out of the dr who precons. So far its been the deck with the best results for me out of the four.
Food and fellowship is the most fun I´ve had in commander this year.(2023) And I love that the deck is built on Hobbits as a theme. You can go with Sam and Frod as the "original" commanders focusing on food-tokens and the benefits from them. But I really prefer using Merry and Pippin as commanders and they turn the deck into a creature token deck. Very fun.
Just a minor thing I noticed. While your observations of the Sauron precon is completely correct in the fact it didn't have a focus, the points you gave were of one of the decks focuses being it mills, reanimated, builds orc armies, etc. The part that doesn't really fit that you forgot to mention was it is also trying to be a non creature spellcaster style deck with Saruman, guttersnipe, etc. Orc armies work with both as both sides use goblins, orcs, etc. themed buffs, but it's split between two themes, which generally don't mix well. Personally, I've turned it into a reanimate theme deck after upgrades since I already have a grixis spellcaster deck with my 40K chaos deck and there was more reanimate theme than spellcaster theme. Not pertinent to my call out, but it's just what I did lol
Great episode. You covered the decks fairly, I have a few on the list. With a nice collection to build with, all of my decks have as much potential as any hi tier deck. Of course certain decks interest us and some do not. Thanks for the info to make interesting choices for my next purchase.
Guff was fun to be able to finally have a commander that has PW payoffs. But it became SUCH an arch enemy situation so much that I had to disassemble.
Ive got him as a PW Commander for Blue, Red and White and then Carth the Lion as a PW Commander for Black/Green. Both Decks seem to really make people believe that you are the arch enemy when in reality you need at least 6 turns to even threaten one player out of the 3 😄
Planeswalkers just scream attack me too much. I also think people feel less bad about attacking a planeswalker than a player with some of their "free" attacks early, like they put out a dinky creature that doesn't do much before people have a board state and they don't wanna do damage to a player b/c god forbid they draw a little bit of ire, but if there is a planeswalker out, oh yea better attack that so it doesn't reach its ultimate ability.
Not sure if Shuffle/Scuffle will come back, but I would love to see the top 4 precons face off out of the box with no additions!
Yikes, seeing Call For Backup have 4 card draw sources brings me back to Commander 2013 Nature of the Beast, and that deck may have had more!
Guff has a fun combo with jace and milling over 160 cards. Its not a strong deck but its hella fun
Tinker time is alot of fun with Rashmi and ragavan as the commander
I've been wanting to build Vishgraz so bad, just to find out today she's the alt commander for Corrupting Influence.
Went straight and found one on sale for 35. Ez cop
I genuinely don't know how you can rank the Sliver Swarm precon #12. This deck is as unplayable as you can get. You never have the right colors combination, and are always behind everyone. When your board state is behind the planeswalker deck, your chances of winning is next to zero.
I was wondering the same thing. Don’t know what metric they were basing it on but slivers was definitely worst of the commander master decks unless you upgraded the decks but the same could be said for all of them. Them placing it higher than the Eldrazi made me laugh. My stock Guff precon was better then those that picked up the sliver precon and I admit it was really rough out of the box.
When I saw the Riders of Rohan list, I was convinced it was the most powerful precon of all time by a pretty wide margin. I still haven't seen it in play, but it looks so insane.
We’ve played against it out of the box, and it always gets up to something spicy!
My brother beat me and my friends with it straight out of the box with no upgrades. It's really aggressive.
The best one of all time is still Exit From Exile imo. That deck just does everything out of the box.
@@Joolenplus I own that one. It does slap pretty hard.
I bought all 4 ixalan and lord of the rings precondition because they looked the best value city baby!
Have you guys played against the pirate deck? It's actually kind of a house. There are several really broken pirates in there. You said they like treasures and artifacts but this deck has a ton of pirate synergy. Our mid power group gets wrecked by it regularly. It's a little inconsistent, but it's like 80-20.
I agree, one of my favorite decks and it smacks. Def slept on
I only paid $32.00 for each of the Wildes of Eldraine and Ixalan decks and $40.00 for the Doctor Who Pre-cons. I made a lot of upgrades for my Ahoy Matey's deck and it is quite good now. I fact, I have upgraded most of these decks. My Calvary Charge is really good and so is my Faerie deck and Merfolk deck. I have not upgraded my LOTR decks yet and my Ixalan Vampire deck and Dinosaur deck. Thank you for the video Nitpicking Nerds.
Where are you getting those for that price?
@@coryspainhour6283I have a Dreadnought membership at Versus games since 2021. I got the Wilds of Eldraine and Ixalan precons there. The Doctor Who pre-cons I got from a friend of my oldest son.
How do you get such low prices? Do you own a store?
@@MangoTalksTech No, I would not own a store if you paid me. One LGS that I go to offers those prices. Also, my oldest son has a friend that sells me these prices including tax and shipping. I pay cash. I could have bought the Fallout decks cheap but there are far too many products coming out in such a short time.
I’m very surprised the Sliver deck is ranked that highly. It has the worst mana base I’ve ever seen in a precon, which basically made it unplayable.
I haven't even gotten to the Sliver deck in the video yet... But the Eldrazi Unbound deck is so much stronger than Sliver Swarm in their base forms for sure.
I stumbled upon an interesting synergy with Sidar Jabari and the Nazgul - pulled Sidar from a pack though, didn't buy the precon
I love playing gimbal but i will say it needs alot of upgrades !
I could agree with almost the entire list but definitely wouldn’t put blood rites better then merfolk. I alo think master of evil was pretty solid and didn’t need much upgrade as long as u play aggressive. Riders of Rohan was definitely a power house str8 out the box and happy I found it for $39😊
This exactly, I think Masters of Evil far surpasses the other Doctor Who precons in terms of consistent value engines, idk what they were cooking
Corrupting Influence is a beast of a slam album by Internal Bleeding 🤘
unrelated
@@cobrafire5153 the infect pre-con was named Corrupting Influence...
Vedalken humiliation actually seems pretty fun. What am I missing?
I got velociramptor for $45 preordering from target and rohan's riders for like $46 on amazon right before xmas 😂
Use that $100 to build your own. Much more fun
Good call! I ordered Rohan pre XMas as well and am enjoying it a lot! Hope you do too:)
Thinking about getting the dinosaur deck for the wife.
@@TapTwoCounterspell eh I got riders for the Lotr art cards to use in various decks. I got Pantlaza and 6 other decks, isshin yuriko balan delina feather braids arisen nightmare(this one’s kinda bad)
Ive lost like 1 game with Guff its lowkey good.
Took the video down and it wasn't a day 1 patch to put riders of Rohan lower on list
Here we go again🎉
It is back and better?
It is, we made some improvements to the graphics!
You hit my opinion on the Davros deck exactly. Lots of fun new cards, but it wants to do too many things.
i am missing from Cute to Brute and They are just like us but cewler and with wings. they might be overprised secret lair only, but they are still preconstructed commander decks that where released this year (2023).
how many utility lands do you two normaly run? I usualy keep my utility land count pretty low aside from things that destroy field of the dead. most of my decks have 3 of those
Probably 3-ish? I’m not sure off-hand, but Field of the Dead is usually one of them 😎
depends on how many colors you run really, in 4-5 you want to be as low as reasonable, in 1-2c you can splurge more. Id definitely maximize them there, especially the colored ones
Too bad they had to edit and reupload. I have a feeling it was because of some lewd comments. Glad to see the video back up! I was on number 6 yesterday and wanted to see their top 5
I watched it yesterday before bed, but I cannot remember lewd comments
@@sugarconnerthe first comment I saw was just full caps "mommy". But it definitely was just re-uploaded to drop the ad
@@BasedChewhich ad was that?
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If you add like $20 worth of upgrades to each Precon, the Merfolk Deck is BY FAR the strongest one.
I'm at a point where I don't even play it anymore within my friend group because it gets out of hand way too fast.
I'm sure it could compete with some cEDH Decks.
*takes out all the Masters. Make Davros deck artifact focused* I highly enjoy the deck via my antics of making sure four villainous choices are made. Heck, the deck other than one other I made this year is quite good. I've rarely lost and netted some comeback wins thanks to the Cybermen token creations or the Daleks just got too out of hand.
I know right? Masters of Evil is epic if we break it apart. So many new cards and flavours. Missy / Davros as commander of their own is so good!
Could you recommend some cards to replace in the deck?
@@fiveberseker5334 tiller engine, atraxa's skittlerfang, mirkwood bats, eel umbra, titan hunter, chief of the foundry, syr Konrad the grim, nightmare, well of lost dreams, marchesa the black rose, vow of flight, gift of doom, star whale, Murder, the war in heaven, shard of the void dragon, negate, invisibility, sanguine bond, confiscate, geyadrone dihada. These are in mine, so good 💯
@@fiveberseker5334 fake your own death, glen elendra liege are great adds too
@@fiveberseker5334 unseal the necropolis, heaven sent, ever after, capture sphere, hunted by the family, clear the mind, incriminate, undertaker, unlicensed disintegration, one with the wind, supernatural stamina
Reupload? Correcting yet another Beezy nipslip, no doubt.
Not quite
I'm confused:
@32:50
"why does me playing infect necessitate taxing my opponents for attacking me back, I don't get it; they're gonna attack me anyway, I'm gonna have to deal with that because I'm playing infect"
You're complaining that they gave you protection.. which you admit you would need in some form anyway?
I disagree with sauron. Especially at the table with the other 3 lord of the rings decks. Best bounce back and lots of board wipes.
Will you ever do actual game play again here?
Beezy the planeswalker deck isn’t bad at I love the alternate commander
And Guff ramps and draws cards!! He’s good too
And Kasla is fun she comes out for 3 mana or less most the time and she has planes chase. Imma buy this deck now I know the price haha
Use Missy instead of Davros if you bought masters of evil and want it to run good
Reupload seems like a change in sponsors.
We changed a few things about the video 👍🏻
The pirate deck is ranked way too low. It's better out of the box than most of the things ranked higher above it.
It's at least top 10 worthy.
Call for backup you need to change the commander too Shalai/Hallar
It’s currently one of my favorite decks but I upgraded it a fair bit leaving Bright-Palm as the commander. I love the doubling counters effect and the backup ability, and it just leads to a massively huge board state
@@NakedBandito247 that’s the beauty of magic baby!
Reupload?
Ive ran VelociRampTor 3 times and it's been incredibly slow and clunky each time so far.
There's a bunch of bricks in it for sure.
It's funny because they ranked Ahoy Mateys super low but every time I've seen it being played the deck was always a relevant threat
I threw in 5 cards. And I stomp tables. Even when I keep all land hands. Lol.
I couldnt disagree more with this list, but idk. Different opinions 😅 good video tho
Gunna post your own version bro?
What happened? I was watching this yesterday and it just cut off on me lol
I somewhat agree with that list but feel like none of the commander masters should be outside of the last quarter. They aren't better than 40$ decks, presold with despicable methods. The two I was curious about were sliver and PW because I was like PW and sliver will always be iconic, but I changed my mind when I found out that sliver was sold out before release or offered at about 150-200€ and not going five colours for the PW threw me out of it as well.
Also 23€for a set booster for that misery of a set was waaaaaay too much for what you could find inside. My bet is next year will be filled with even more stupid pricing and IP dillutions so I'm really not looking forward to it.
Im shocked, Wizards is printing chafe and claiming its not chafe. Spoiler alert, Wizards wants you to buy chafe to get some ok cards in the pre-cons. Dear Wizards, please reprint playable half decent cards and include at least 10 of them in each new commander deck.
Why was it reuploaded?
Seems like they removed the ad read at the beginning for the AM shirts. Sponsor might’ve had some kind of issue with the original edit or something
Really helpful advice and nice to see why some of these precons are good and bad. I little irritating when you say cards are poor as most of us can't afford to buy and replace any cards we don't like.
32:45
Oof... how to tell that people didn't play that Guff deck...
That deck when you actually run it is fun and strong. It is an underappreciated powerhouse. And yes, i will die on this hill lol
Hahaha oh geez had to upload an edited version. People sure are funny.
That was not the reason actually
@@NitpickingNerds alright cool beans.
I miss Joe but I also really like Mia’s addition to the show I feel like the analysis on the channel has gotten a lot better in the last couple of years
Appreciate you saying that! :)
I affectionately call Pantlaza, Lava Pants. Deck slaps.
Veloci-Ramp-Tor. Best deckname for a precon yet! :)
I get triggered by the Elven Council/Masters of Evil comparisons. Like Elven council voting does absolutely nothing for anyone, including pilot of the deck. MoE voting instantly gets you into arch enemy status. Elven Council is unfocused and bad. MoE sole purpose is to be arch enemy. It does not deviate from that goal regardless of all the different legendaries in the deck.
Not sure if this is a moxfield test review of the deck but pumping out 3/3 Daleks with menace with draw or enemy discard, is not the same as the +1/+1 or draw from elves.
When the MoE deck starts snowballing with myriad from Cybermen Patrol, it can easily draw three cards per turn as well as make it very difficult to simply block with menace.
Curiously this same scenario is what favors Riders of Rohan above almost all the list.
Here’s the thing, on games I played with both decks. Riders of Rohan falls behind in the card draw. Then all those “unfocused” legendaries, start doing work on top of the daleks with menace.
Eowyn needs a human to enter all the time. Davos just needs to hit one opponent who can’t block menace.
So yeah not sure in what testing did Elven council did better than MoE. MoE definitely should be higher in this list.
Plus would definitely love to see a breakdown of Elven Council. Aside from Legolas waiting for a legendary or Colossal Whale doing work until removed, all my time spent on that deck has been waiting to occasional wipe the board, counter some spells, or bring in elves that get completely ignored by the table.
Elven council voting is right there with watching planeswalker party players +1 everything.
If painbow isn't dead last it wasnt released this year. Lets see if im right.
Nvm its 2022. Still should be last on this list tho
Elven Council should have been dead last. You can have the whole engine on line and still do close to nothing
I feel like commander precons have gotten a free pass for a long time. They are casual so its okay that 2/3rd of the deck bulk so you can spend money to upgrade it. While they print challenger decks which everyone screams that the deck ratios are wrong. Its no wonder they WOTC like printing commander products.
The Sliver deck should have been #25, no question about it. The mana base is absolutely atrocious and everything comes in tapped.
Mega cute kitty
Tinker time is definitely the worst. Big fat doo-doo.
Deja Vu
For most of these decks I’ve played I can accept the differences as matters of opinions, but the Sliver deck is genuinely one of the most dreadful experiences to play with of any this year, worse than any other deck let alone one at a super-premium price. Slivers are major aggro who make up for their lack of proper size and finishers by having small guys with geometric value, trying to play them out faster than anyone can answer them. A sliver deck that is just on regular curve is already losing. The dreadful manabase that is not only almost all tapped but not even the best tapped lands slows down a deck whose only survival trait is speed by a full turn every game. It would genuinely be better with half the lands replaced with basics, which is absurd in a five colour deck. It is a dreadful piece of deck construction that honestly begs the question of whether it was ever tested.
Cut the red shirt intro?! Why?
We primarily changed a few graphics throughout the video
how dare u say that my guffy is the worst precon. for shame
Just want to apologise that you guys felt the need to redo the intro. Absolutely shameful from the community.
I miss the old Kanye
You're delusional. The Sauron deck is an instant arch enemy. the whole deck is about board wiping and ramping out giant creatures before the opponents are ready. Living Death can change games quickly if you're falling behind. decree of annihilation can be used to draw what you need and fill the graveyard with stuff to revive with Sauron. Subjugation of hobbits can steal all creatures under 3 cmc giving you instant board advantage. the whole deck is based off playing aggressively.
Encouraging people to play poison/infect 🤮
Wow, starting out with a terrible take. “We heard planeswalkers are bad so we’re going to put this deck behind actual garbage.”
VELOCIRAMPTOR IS THE BEST ???
NAHHHHH
hahahahaha
dinos are WAY to overHYPED
lol
NAH
Where are the Warhammer Decks?
I added a little beef to the PlanesWalker Party deck, and I LOVE it! It’s strong and fun!
Just too bad the precon itself was so lacking.
Do you mind sending me a decklist? Would appreciate!