@@Gk54493I'm biased? But not the committee that forced TX in, because that was the only way they could get Ala in. Because the committee doesn't have an $EC bias? Please explain that. Go on, I'll wait. Moron.
The ACC is a complete joke. SMU, Stanford, and Cal are all weak teams. The Big Ten and SEC are going to run college football going forward. Every other conference has been relegated to mid-major status.
Mike nailed it, why did they give these FSU kids false hope by MOVING them up to number 4 last week ? Last week they didn't care about them having a backup QB
This was a big part of the problem. FSU was too high to begin with. The committee expected more teams to lose and open up the slots. It backfired on them.
College football rankings are never really who we feel is where they are. It's about putting teams where we feel they deserve to be. If an undefeated UGA were to lose to Tennessee, would we think Tennessee is better, or is it that they just won that day? If you ask most reasonable college football fans who the four best are, it's UGA, Bama, UM and either OSU or Oregon. And that's what it's been for the majority of the season.
FSU has been in the top 4 since week 2. See that’s the problem with peanut gallery’s, most of the time they don’t know what they’re talking about. You just saying some words to sound smart, deep down though, you know you’re an idiot. Just like Paul Whinebaum.
if alabama goes up 20-0 on michigan then their qb gets hurt and michigan scores 17 to make it a 20-17 loss then michigan should go to the title game even though they lost
Doesn't matter if Florida State is a different team without Jordan Travis. They still earned the spot by going 13-0 in the ACC AND winning the ACC title without Jordan Travis. We should not be picking teams based off how they may do in future games. That's a horrible precedent.
@@BrianK-zz4fk Vegas clearly gets it wrong often. A lot of money was lost from the 9.5 spread in Oregons favor vs UW last week. Now they have Texas as a 4.5 fave over UW. Hey, bet on Texas if you think Vegas has the answer. A lot of people did that exact thing last year. Oops…
If the committee really felt that FSU was not the same team without Jordan Travis, why not move them out of the the top 4 when it happened 3 weeks prior? SEC owns the ESPN and ESPN has absolutely zero credibility.
because texas didn’t have a big 12 chip and another ranked win and bama hadn’t beat georgia and been the sec champs yet 😹😹 pretty simple bro they get ranked week to week
@@levijaroslaw9571 They had to put in a SEC team. The only way I see FSU making the CFP is if UGA won the SEC. There has to be SEC representation in the CFP no matter what.
Yeah, but FSU won a chip against a better opponent. I get why the committee did what it did, but they should have moved FSU down after they played Florida.
I love how when Greeny pressed all of them on Georgia being 6 instead of 5, they all immediately blamed the system. When it was about Bama being 4, the system worked as intended bc it got the 4 best teams. But Georgia at 6? Well, I never liked the system!
The argument there was the inconsistency. There’s two patterns of thought. If it was about (1) which teams EARNED their spot, obviously Florida State should have gotten in. This is most people’s critique. But even if it was about (2) the four BEST teams (what the committee alleged last week knowing they may need to justify putting Alabama in over FSU in case both Alabama and FSU won) then UGA should have clearly ALSO been ranked higher than FSU. Probably OSU too, tbh. So the committee wasn’t even consistent with themselves.
They could've just said because FSU won their conference championship game and Georgia lost. Basically if you're not a conference champion, you're out of the discussion this year. The main argument is undefeated power five and one loss conference champions. If Bama lost to Auburn and beat Georgia, they don't get in, Georgia doesn't get in and its FSU and Texas. They wouldn't even put in a two loss team in over a TCU team who lost their conference championship last year.
@@yanks2661 I disagree. They wanted a brand name. Had Auburn beaten Alabama, they would have picked Ohio State, and ranked them #3 to avoid a Michigan rematch in the semis
Rich Eisen said it best: Imagine if the Eagles had been excluded from the playoffs after Carson Wentz went down? Nobody would have believed Nick Foles would go on to win a Super Bowl and take a ring from the GOAT. But that’s what happened!
The only problem is, the eagles played just as well without wentz on the offensive side of the ball. FSU had 141 yards passing over the last two games combined. They are not the same team without JT and it shows
but the problem is in the NFL every team is close to each other, but in college football there is a huge disparity between the best and worst teams. I’m not seeing you advocate for Liberty to get in, they’re undefeated.
@@Seahawk210Actually, the Eagles struggled offensively with Foles as QB for the remainder of the regular season. That’s why they were the underdogs according to betting lines throughout the playoffs. Foles only caught his stride in the NFC Championship vs. the Vikings.
You mean if Alabama was the team with the weaker schedule who hadn't beaten the number one team head up, and who's best win of the year was to number 13, and who hadn't looked very good since their main man got injured? I don't know. If that was the case, Alabama would have probably gotten left out and they would have put Ohio State in.
@@BigPermDawg I honestly don't believe that...and that is ultimately what college football lost with this decision. Credibility. Polls, Computers, Committee, it's always going to equal the same thing, the results on the field will not be the deciding factor.
@fweeduff do you watch any football! Bama played Texas as a non conference team, and they are ranked 3, if I checked last time. Bama played LSU, no big deal and the rest of the SEC, including #1 Georgia. FSU got to play the crappy ACC schedule, so stop the discussions, and watch some football. FSU SOS was 55, Bama was 5, and you wonder why some of you FSU fans are delusional. With Travis you are a top 4 team! Without him you are at best a 8 or 9 in the ranking. People forget, when Tua got hurt in 2020, we were not the same team, and were left out of the playoffs, and we deserved that. So stop telling me if you lose Travis, that you are the same team. And remember who destroyed all of college football in 2021, Mac Jones and Bama, when they smoked Oh State.
The problem is that they have never applied the "best 4" standard before. Every single other undefeated team has gotten in. Dan talks about NFL but the NFL doesn't choose playoff teams by who they think are the best teams at the end of the year but by record. The committee has never used this standard before. They should have just come out and said, "we did it for the money". That's reality.
Why isn't undefeated Liberty in the playoffs then? We definitely need a better playoff system, but college football is far too complicated to only base rankings off of wins like the NFL does.
they beat auburn (the same auburn team that got killed by new mexico state) on a last play miracle after getting a miracle muffed punt. they beat south florida by 2TDs with one of those TDs coming with 30 seconds left in the 4th quarter..@@cleveland2022
@@blinkrift There has ALWAYS been a line between the power 5 conferences and the G5 conferences. They shattered that you are just okay with it because you got what you wanted. Everybody knows what happened wasn't right from every other fanbase
Because Texas hadn't won the Big 12 and beating OK State the way they did and Alabama hadn't beat #1 Georgia yet. They simply ranked them week to week.
It was an open question. After the ACC championship game, that question was answered. Of course, both post-JT games were wins, despite offensive sputtering. So I get FSU being pissed.
Imagine, if Drew Bledsoe got injured, a no-named Tom Brady takes over, makes the playoffs, then NFL decides… “There not the same team, Patriots don’t get in the playoffs” 😂😂😂
@@alvinross1955 Let's say you're a coach who is taking a football team to go play Michigan. You get to choose whether you take FSU or Bama. Who are you taking?
Texas beat Bama. We don’t need or want to see a rematch. Especially since there are only 4 spots available, I say bama already lost that spot when they lost to Texas.
As a Texas fan, I'm distraught that they didn't put Florida State in. Now if we beat Washington, we will have to play the best team in the nation (Alabama). At least if Florida State was in, we would know it was Michigan we had to play in the final.
As an SEC lover, I totally agree. And I hate TEXAS!!!!! I say that with respect though. Bc if anything it should’ve need Michigan 1, Washington 2, FSU 3, and GA 4. Ot even Texas 4. But Bama should not have hopped 4 spots
Jordan Travis has not been the QB for FSU for weeks and they were ranked the 4th best team in those weeks. What it is the committee could not justify not having a SEC team in the playoffs.
The SEC isnt owed a spot..not to mention FSU beat two SEC teams AND ACC had a winning record against the SEC...money and tv contracts sold out the playoff long time ago!
An entire show of opinions. Exactly how FSU got left out. It was the committees opinion that FSU couldn't win another game without 1 player. Great coaching win football games. FSU won their conference with a 3rd string true freshman!
The real travesty is that we've accepted the idea that a committee should pick the best teams and it shouldn't be the most deserving teams. And that player availability, projecting the future, etc. should matter. Who decided that? We've mostly gotten the right teams over the years and it was better than it used to be but it's always been wrong as written.
I've been thinking all of this through since Sunday. And I really feel like it is more subjective to put a "deserving" team in rather than trying to put the "best". I've heard so many people on the side of Florida State complaining about subjectivity. But if the committee starts looking for "deserving" teams, that's subjective too. I would feel better knowing that they were trying to put the best in and not get caught up with trying to decides who "deserves" it more. What does "deserve" mean? If Oregon had beaten Washington, they would have "avenged" their only loss and gotten in with one loss and no one would have complained. Yet I don't feel most people think that they are actually better than Alabama or Georgia. I would say that Alabama beating Georgia is better than playing Texas again and "avenging" their one loss. So in my eyes, they more than avenged their one loss. They knocked off the two-time defending national champ who had won 29 games in a row and was undefeated ranked number one. Most commentators think that Georgia is better than Florida State, but those same commentators think Florida State deserve to be in over Georgia and Alabama. If that's not subjective, I don't know what is. It's always going to have subjectivity in the decision, but "deserves" is way more subjective than "best".
@@BigPermDawgLet’s say a team loses their first 3 games then wins their remaining 10, and there’s a 12-1 team that lost in the final weeks of the regular season. Does the 10-3 team qualify for the playoffs ahead of the 12-1 team because “they’re one of the best teams in the country right now?” That’s the issue I have with Alabama getting in. It completely voids the entirety of the regular season in favor of ‘current form’ because the committee thinks hypothetically, FSU can’t beat the other teams without Jordan Travis. However, the fact that it’s hypothetical means no one is certain that it WILL happen. The only thing that is certain is what the teams have done up until now, and throughout the course of the season as a whole, I’d say Florida State was better than Alabama.
@@noid7598 Why, because Alabama lost to a team that was (way) better than anyone on Florida State's schedule? Alabama played a much tougher schedule, Florida State's best win (by far) is MAYBE Alabama's 3rd best.
@@noid7598 First, I don't think Alabama is a case of current form. They have won 11 in a row. Second, I'm not arguing for Georgia to be in. I'm arguing that why is Oregon beating Washington acceptable to get Oregon in with one loss, but Alabama beating Georgia isn't acceptable, when everyone thinks Alabama is better than Oregon..... and Washington for that matter. What's harder? Beating Oregon twice or Georgia once? I would argue that beating Georgia is the bigger feat. Florida State shouldn't be mad at Alabama. Alabama is for real. They should be wondering why Florida State is the odd man out amongst the other two undefeateds. Michigan beat Ohio State at home and no one else. Washington beat Oregon twice and no one else. The problem has come from the bogus pre-championship rankings. Why was Alabama 8 and Oregon five? They both had one loss and Alabama would have been favored against Oregon. If Alabama had been 5 then this wouldn't be quite the issue. Everybody takes issue with them jumping from 8 to 4.
@@noid7598 and no, I don't think a team with 3 losses but gets on a hot streak should be considered. One loss is different. And I have a problem with a team losing their conference championship and still getting in. I also don't like how an undefeated team who is a lock for the playoff has to play a lower ranked team who has no shot for the playoffs. (ex. Michigan vs Iowa). A team in that situation should be allowed to opt out of the conference championship for bigger and better things.
Controlled the game but didn't score a TD second half until 5 min mark in the 4th. The QB got outplayed by Georgia's with their two best players not performing at their normal level either. Im not going to say Dan didn't watch the game cause that's all that was on and the highlight game of the week but he defiantly let his hot take fly with this one.
FSU got jobbed no question. You can’t penalize FSU players, coaches, and fans because 1 player is injured. They may have lost in the semis, but you just can’t make that assumption without them playing. They would not do this to Alabama or Georgia, no way.
@@GoodStuff1992when FSU gets destroyed by UGA and Bama wins the championship.. everyone will realize the committee got it right. If anyone got shafted it’s UGA. The SEC championship was the National championship lol
@kmaltech its a lose lose situation for FSU. If FSU loses, people will say they shouldnt have been in the top 4. if FSU wins, people will say UGA didnt want to be there but wanted to be in the top 4m
However, I think that this year, the SEC being bettter is a different story. Texas beat Alabama 34-24 in Tuscaloosa. Bama beat a 6-6 South Florida team 17-3. A USF team that had terrible defensive performances in a non power conference. Bama beat a 7-5 Texas A&M team 26-20, a team that gave up over 40 points to Miami and LSU and fired Jimbo Fisher. Bama beat a 4-8 Arkansas team 24-21. Arkansas lost to Missouri 48-14, Auburn 48-10, and two losing record teams BYU and Florida. Bama beat a 6-6 Auburn team 27-24 Fluke Miracle. An Auburn team that got blown out by LSU and lost to New Mexico State 31-10.
“Someone was gonna get left out” yeah but never the sec. the intentional blindness is absolutely infuriating and I’m not even an FSU fan. Blood boiling for every non sec/b10 fan base
They gave FSU 1 more game to show out. If they blow out Louisville, they are in. They'd have to put them in. Instead they scored 16 pts on a non top 10 team with an average defense. Pretty much advertised, nah we ain't the same
@@MrAitraining Wrong if they did that then they would not have put in a SEC team. UT was going to get in because they beat Bama H2H. No matter how many points they beat Louisville it wouldn't have mattered.
@@Damariun224true, but CERTAIN games are important times to win bigger and prove yourself… and in their championship games, I saw Alabama take down the best team in the country while FSU barely slid by Louisville.
Best point made was that the system was setup to fail. 5 power conferences and only 4 spots.... They ALWAYS knew this would happen and instead of doing 6 teams to avoid this they wanted to keep the extra "bowl" games. You know why? Because the bowl games generate more money.
Yep. This was the purpose of this system. It was even written into their mission to give them the ambiguity to rationalize any decision they made however they wanted to. The truth is every argument that was made for keeping out FSU should have kept Ohio State out in 2014 (championship played in 2015). They couldn't go with that precedent though, so they just made up new reasons. The good thing is they already have the 12 team playoff ready for next year and this year just solidifies why it was necessary.
Well let them make the hard decision to leave an undefeated power 5 champion out when there are five of them. Not when there are 3 and leave 1 out for two 1 loss teams. It’s not right!!!
I’m a Washington fan, and my heart breaks for Florida State. That being said, if we’re to judge how valuable a player is to their team, it baffles me why Jordan Travis isn’t in consideration for the Heisman. As much as I’d like to see Penix, who beat Bo Nix twice, win the Heisman, it should be Jordan Travis. Hypothetically giving him the award won’t make up for FSU getting ROBBED from the CFP, but it should show how valuable he is to that team.
A similar argument could be made for Utah. Their quarterback didn't play a down all season long. He should be in the Heisman conversation. I can't remember his name but he probably qualifies.
@@christopherfoote4643 You’re talking about Cam Rising. Utah probably would’ve beat Washington if he was healthy. Unlike Jordan Travis, Cam Rising didn’t play at all this year because of his knee injury in last year’s Rose Bowl. Can’t give the trophy to a guy who didn’t play one snap on the field.
If Alabama would have been down to their 3rd string qb and undefeated the media would have been raving about how he's a 5 star and with the break they'll have time to coach him up. This a total money play.....bring on the 12 team system and burn the committee down
Look what Alabama did with Tua. Came on at halftime and took over. Alabama is on another level. They earned the respect they get. Their backups are better than your starters.
@cljackson512 still the excuse to leave fsu out is terrible. Nobody knows for sure what would happen whether they win it all or not. They were no question deserving
The committee is on the SEC payroll, the SEC is not as good as in the past. The transfer portal has changed the playing field. Only 1 team has an elite defense and its FSU. Keep in mind we beat a 15th rank team with a 3rd string, and the 2nd stringer will be back healthy to play next week. Greeny is 100%
Therefore, based on the argument, the moment when QB went down, FS shoud not be in top 4 ranking IN PAST TWO WEEKS. That is what went wrong. No consistency at all. If Georgia won, FS will be the four seed. Just because no undefeated SEC team, they have to make up something they did not consider at all two weeks ago. SMH.
When he went down, they then let the 2 weeks of evidence of awful offensive play determine their conclusion. Also, in that two week span, Bama beat Georgia and UT won a conference championship in a more competitive conference. People so butthurt you’ll be thanking the committee when Michigan/Bama is a classic unlike the Michigan/FSU boat race that would’ve occurred
FSU played no team in the top 10. The best team they played was #13 LSU. How do you beat the thirteenth best team and then consider yourself one of the best teams in the country? Play tougher teams and you'll get more respect.
@waffles4393 I mean, they scheduled two SEC teams. They both happened to be on a below average year for them. It was a down year for clemson. It's not like they scheduled uconn and UMass, they can't help that those teams were off. Schedules are done ahead of time.
Everyone bringing up the SEC like Texas didn't also leapfrog over FSU but nobody is talking about that 🤣 People BEGGED the committee to use nuance for years when they were letting Notre Dame in, they finally do and let the champions of the best 4 conferences in and now everybody has a problem 😂
win all the CUPCAKE games not all conferences or games are equal this is not NFL their SOS 55th out of 130 bama was 5th and beat #1 best win FSU has is over 2 loss Louisville that lsot prior week to kentucky a 6-6 sec team. if you cannot beat kentucky 10-2 means nothing so beating thm means nothing but I know facts kill your lame argument all wins are not equal
What the "Committee got right" crowd is admitting is the ACC and SEC are not equals. The only reason why people are saying FSU is not the same team is because they played ACC opponents which they believe are inferior to the SEC. Therefore, Bama's schedule is seen as tougher because they play in the SEC. This is despite the fact the ACC went 6-4 against the SEC this year. It is SEC bias playing out and it will kill the ACC in the long run. Congrats guys for supporting further conference realignment.
His point is invalid. For example, if FSU is the top of the ACC then let them play THE TOP of the SEC. That's what Alabama did. Not to mention that win against LSU that all of FSU wants to hang their hat on, came with one Jordan Travis taking snaps, not Tate Rodemaker.
Can FSU just ask for their bowl $ so they won’t have to show up and Georgia can stay home too so no one from UG get injured in a sport full of injuries? Why show up if the committee already screwed then over
Finebaum yesterday saying FSU barely got by louisville with a 3rd string qb while ignoring the fact Bama needed a miracle against a bad Auburn team with their starting QB 😂😂 Of course that gets ignored
Bama also needed a completion call on 4th and 4 where the ball hit the ground. Had the refs made the right call, Alabama wouldn't have turned it over on downs
FSU began the season ranked #8. During the remainder of the entire season, they were ranked as high as #3. They were never ranked lower than #5. For the majority of the season, they were ranked #4. Yet in the end, after finishing 13-0 and winning their conference championship, they were not worthy of a top 4 spot? If that's the case, then why were they ranked 3rd, 4th, or 5th at all throughout the season? Why wait until the last weekend of the season to throw them on the scrap heap when they could've done so at any point during the season? Makes no sense, but then again, when has the NCAA ever made sense?
I’ve heard many argue that excluding FSU was the path of least resistance, and it generally makes sense. However, it’s the only option that requires obliterating a fundamental principle of competitive sports - the games matter, and wins/losses matter. Excluding FSU is the only option that guts the integrity of the game and fan confidence in why we all follow sports in the first instance - to let the players and team performance determine who wins. In the end, that’s not about taking the path of “least resistance,” but rather a demonstrated commitment to sacrilege.
@@LotusHart01 My argument does not support Liberty. FSU and Alabama both played LSU and the Noles had the more impressive showing. Plus, Alabama struggled mightily at Auburn and USF and lost by double digits at home. This was a complete take down and undressing of college football by the corrupt collusion of a miserable network and its backwoods conference. It’s completely disgusting.
Oh stop it. FSU played the 55th hardest schedule in the country while Alabama played the 5th. Bama simply had the better resume. Far from hurting the integrity of the sport, this will only incentivize teams to schedule better competition. That's a good thing.
I will not stop it. It’s a travesty and I’m entitled to express my opinion when I see ESPN and its miserable backwoods conference continue to diminish the once great sport. As far as scheduling tougher opponents, do you mean how UGA dropped OU? Also, how much tougher than LSU and UF do you want? FSU’s kids busted their tails and won every single game, including two against the backwoods conference. Bama walked off their own field with a double digit loss. FSU’s strength of record was higher than Alabama’s. This was an easy case to do right but the imbeciles in charge opted to line their pockets instead. Wake up if you don’t see that.
There is no right or wrong. There is no integrity. It is just about money. And that is all it is. Money has corrupted college football. It isn't the same as it was just 3 years ago.
they could only score 16 pts on Louisville, a non top 10 team with an average defense. At the minimum it wasn't a way to show out to let people know you are capable of playing Michigan
This was not an agonizing decision. The moment Georgia lost everyone knew Alabama was getting in even if Florida State had beaten Louisville by 5 touchdowns and the 3rd string QB had thrown for 400 yards and 4 TDs. As for Finebaum and faux outrage? This is the same guy who watched SEC bagmen buy titles for 50 years and said he would not recognize Michigan as national champion even though the NCAA gas yet to serve even a notice of allegations.
So for 9 years the Committee has used the logic of "most deserving" to pick the 4 playoff teams until the SEC is going to be left out then the rules change......got it
And you know had Bama not got that miracle in Auburn, that then Georgia with 1 loss would have been ranked ahead of FSU now. But obviously they think FSU is undoubtedly better by ranking them ahead of Georgia lol
@@polo4941 The committee wanted Oregon and Texas in . The committee did not look at history of Alabama playing in Atlanta . Alabama has never loss in the new station 9 and 0 . They really thought Georgia would beat Alabama and Oregon would beat Washington .
Somebody was gone get snubbed either way , can’t please everyone, fsu are not same team without Travis period I don’t understand why people don’t get it💯!!!! Rollll tiiidddeee
I understand this ranking but have one major complaint: What if FSU had lied about Jordan Travis’ status? What if they covered up his leg, hid him in a room for a month and said he’d be available come playoff time? Would the committee have put them in? Ranking a team based on injury is subjective and stupid
They don’t even have to win a lawsuit here either. If the discovery phase uncovers significant media influence over the CFP’s decisions, it would de-legitimizes the CFP as a championship, even if they can’t win the lawsuit in court.
Georgia not being considered because they didn’t win their conference sounds like the most deserving argument not best team argument. They can just kind of flip flop when they need to
I love how everyone likes to predict what will happen in the future. How FSU would be major underdogs in the top 4. Maybe so. No disagreement. But that is why the games are played. The results matter on the field. FSU had absolutely earned the right to be in the top 4 and should have been. Whether or not that makes for a competitive matchup should not matter at all. Let them have a chance to prove it on the field instead of old committee members deciding the fate of one truly deserving team. You can also say that Alabama is the better team. That might also be true but it is subjective. The way winners are determined is not based on judges or opinions. It is fought for on the field. BCS was better in determining rankings.
Can you imagine if the NFL did this? "Those wins you got when your injured quarterback was healthy don't matter. You don't get in the playoffs any more." It sounds stupid because it IS stupid.
And other ppl love how yall think FSU wouldn't get blowed out. They might not even have scored and offensive td against Michigan. I'd looked like Iowa game
The committee made it clear they are going for the best teams, not the most deserving. That could be why FSU didn't get in. I expect Georgia will win decidedly against FSU. That should help put this whole controversy into perspective for the fans.
The committee has criteria to show that Alabama is the better team. The biggest outlier was strength of schedule. People complained about BCS and Alabama was better then too.
FSU won all of its games and generated a strength of record that is BETTER than Bama’s. That is the one metric that normalizes the data and generates a benchmark. Plus, FSU doesn’t know what it feels like to lose this season. Bama walked off its OWN FIELD with heads down after a double digit beat down in front of their own crying fans. Disgusting that the committee handicapped the season and gave them a second shot. I couldn’t look at myself if I were Saban and Bama players knowing how much FSU’s players - the real storyline here - are suffering right now. But we shouldn’t expect more from a miserable backwoods conference.
Alabama’s strength of schedule was ranked 5th in the nation. FSU’s was 55th. It’s not even close, and they scored 3 points in the first half against an 8 and 4 Louisville the other night.
@@jonnyboyyyy oh, I’m sorry, I thought games mattered after all 4 quarters, not just the first half. Too bad an elite defense doesn’t seem to matter at all. 🙄
@@CEH477 , oh you’re right! I totally forgot about those other 13 points they scored in the second half. My bad. And you mention elite defenses? Alabama and Louisville’s defenses are almost identically ranked, with similar numbers, except Alabama did it against much harder opponents. Both teams have great defense but one actually has offense, and it was Alabama the other night that outscored the eight best offense in the nation. Side note, FSU only scored 3 points in the first half against Louisville.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...a nole fan calling the premier conference in all of CFB a "backwoods" conference. So, maybe you need to stick to your fav sports like crochet (pronounced cro-shay), knitting, and underwater basket weaving.
@@michaeloverton2437well our history backs it up with 7 championships so I see why we’d get in over a team that would’ve gotten smacked in the playoffs
@@CPF222 I get your history and it’s undeniable but your Bama pass history has nothing to do with this year. It’s about what they did on the field this year. IMHO you can’t tell team what they need to do to get into the playoffs and then they do that and you leave them out. Yes, their QB is out but this is a team game and that’s why I brought up if Bama QB was out of the game would they still take Bama. But like I tell my Soldiers opinions are like buttholes everyone has one.
@@michaeloverton2437we beat more top 25 teams than you and our loss is to the #3. If it was most deserving this year its FSU that gets in but the committee said best , FSU is not better than the top 4
What if a team lost it's first 3 games, but then destroyed everyone from there on out, including Top 10 teams. Since they are playing the "best" football in the country over the past 10 weeks, and are considered to be unbeatable, and the "best", should they get in? What if it meant kicking Bama to the curb to make room for them? Yeah, I didn't think so.
@@bigwitt187: So true. In the last 17 years, the SEC has been in 16 national championship games, and won 13. This couldn't happen without a lot of help.
@@josephheenan1695: We have seen the Committee use the "best" team argument to benefit Alabama. We have seen the Committee use the argument of conference champions to benefit Bama. Now, we have seen the injured player argument to give Bama another turn. When does it end?
That's not especially very likely. I'm not sure there are many (or any) evidences of that happening. It might be possible for a team to make improvements. USC supposedly was a shoe in for an at large this season. Everyone kept waiting for them to gel. It didn't happen. That's because games aren't won on paper. USC might finish 7-6. That's an example of a team everyone thought would win.
Change the jerseys in the ACC championship game to bama and another team, and that game gets described as a defensive struggle instead of dreadful offensive game.
I'm a hurricanes fan and this pissed me off I hate how they always bring up the TCU game like they couldn't compete after they literally beat #2 Michigan to get there. This just the good ol' boys doing everything they can to make the last top 4 CFP the way they like it
So let’s get this straight, the committee determines Alabama is unequivocally better than FSU but Georgia not after that SEC title game by ranking them 6th? Pretty sure had Bama not beat Auburn but still won the SEC championship by 3 points, the committee then would have ranked Georgia ahead of FSU..
@@joshuamccall8043agreed 100%. I’m just pointing out that they didn’t completely determine this playoff this year by best 4 teams. Because otherwise they would rank Georgia ahead of FSU. But they would have ranked them ahead of FSU had Bama came into that game with two losses
@@jcelldogsagreed that’s what they would have done. The hypocrisy comes in that they currently have Georgia at 6 behind FSU while simultaneously ranking Bama at 4 based on best teams. Their rankings are saying they think FSU is unequivocally better than Georgia who lost a 3 point game to Bama, but somehow they also come to the conclusion Bama is unequivocally better than FSU.
It does matter. The committee came out publicly and stated they are selecting the best teams, not the most deserving. They didn't think FSU could compete at the level the other four teams can at this point in the season. If FSU does not beat Georgia, the narrative that the committee snubbed FSU will decimate among the objective. All that will be left is the emotionally involved outliers with the "most-deserving" argument, which is a good case to make but it wasn't the criteria used to make the selection. @@DonniDixem
Texas got put at #3 because FSU at #3 meant Texas at #4......which meant no S$C in the playoff. They weren't gonna do that. The worst part is that they took the "easy route" and put it on Jordan Travis's injury instead of just owning it at saying they wanted thee best Four Conferences to be in.
They're more like North Carolina without Drake Maye. Nobody honestly believes that Florida State would beat Michigan, Texas, or Alabama right now. Their defense might make them competitive with Washington, the weakest team in the CFP.
The whole system is a joke.
Only when biased people and fans like you don’t get your way
Lol..Foolish
And it won’t change next year. They’ll be 6 SEC teams in the playoffs if we still have the same committee.
@@Gk54493I'm biased? But not the committee that forced TX in, because that was the only way they could get Ala in. Because the committee doesn't have an $EC bias? Please explain that. Go on, I'll wait. Moron.
They practically just killed the ACC after killing the PAC 12 and big 12
Notice all these teams will be in the sec and big10 next year
Exactly. They killed the acc by saying all their wins don't matter when it measures uo to sec games.
The ACC is a complete joke. SMU, Stanford, and Cal are all weak teams. The Big Ten and SEC are going to run college football going forward. Every other conference has been relegated to mid-major status.
Yup, all schools will be jumping ship for this drowning conference
Big East 2.0, welcome back to G5 status folks lol
Best line, "College football is figure skating."
Mike nailed it, why did they give these FSU kids false hope by MOVING them up to number 4 last week ? Last week they didn't care about them having a backup QB
I mean it's musical chairs with the rankings so #2-#5 moved up a spot after Ohio State lost.
This was a big part of the problem. FSU was too high to begin with. The committee expected more teams to lose and open up the slots. It backfired on them.
College football rankings are never really who we feel is where they are. It's about putting teams where we feel they deserve to be. If an undefeated UGA were to lose to Tennessee, would we think Tennessee is better, or is it that they just won that day? If you ask most reasonable college football fans who the four best are, it's UGA, Bama, UM and either OSU or Oregon. And that's what it's been for the majority of the season.
FSU has been in the top 4 since week 2. See that’s the problem with peanut gallery’s, most of the time they don’t know what they’re talking about. You just saying some words to sound smart, deep down though, you know you’re an idiot. Just like Paul Whinebaum.
At the end they look at the whole final picture. You people can't be that stupid
If Alabama quarterback is injured in practice this week, do they let FSU in?😂 that's the logic right?
Good point
if alabama goes up 20-0 on michigan then their qb gets hurt and michigan scores 17 to make it a 20-17 loss then michigan should go to the title game even though they lost
@@jackbrenan6744 If there was a "Selection" after those games, it likely would be that way. There isnt. You all are new to this, I know.
exactly
@@HomesteadDNA - They were all speaking tongue-in-cheek. Are you new to the English language? or just stupid?
Alabama could have 6 loses and Paul would be arguing for them to be in the playoffs😂
He's an idiot.
Paul has the Alabama’s 🥜 all in his mouth 😂
@@Memo76ersFacts
he seems like a typical SEC shill douche.
Alabama lost 2 games last year and still wanted them in the playoffs 😂😂
Doesn't matter if Florida State is a different team without Jordan Travis. They still earned the spot by going 13-0 in the ACC AND winning the ACC title without Jordan Travis. We should not be picking teams based off how they may do in future games. That's a horrible precedent.
Now someone that gets it
If thats the case let Vegas decide. GA would be number 1 but they play the games. redic
They did not win the ACC without Jordan Travis. They squeaked by one and a half games without him.
@@BrianK-zz4fk Vegas clearly gets it wrong often. A lot of money was lost from the 9.5 spread in Oregons favor vs UW last week. Now they have Texas as a 4.5 fave over UW. Hey, bet on Texas if you think Vegas has the answer. A lot of people did that exact thing last year. Oops…
@@mikewood5219 In other words they won without him because they figured out how to win without him basically a team sport. Good teams tend to do that.
"This team did not go undefeated. The team 2 weeks ago is the team that went undefeated" is probably the dumbest thing I have heard this year!
Ironically enough they still went ‘undefeated’ after the injury.
I agree especially when they literally won the games after that and therefore are still undefeated 😂
He’s a idiot
If the committee really felt that FSU was not the same team without Jordan Travis, why not move them out of the the top 4 when it happened 3 weeks prior? SEC owns the ESPN and ESPN has absolutely zero credibility.
because texas didn’t have a big 12 chip and another ranked win and bama hadn’t beat georgia and been the sec champs yet 😹😹 pretty simple bro they get ranked week to week
@@levijaroslaw9571 They had to put in a SEC team. The only way I see FSU making the CFP is if UGA won the SEC. There has to be SEC representation in the CFP no matter what.
Yeah, but FSU won a chip against a better opponent. I get why the committee did what it did, but they should have moved FSU down after they played Florida.
@@kyleyoung8721 I agree, and it's BS.
@@kyleyoung8721No proof that Louisville is better than Okstate.
I love how when Greeny pressed all of them on Georgia being 6 instead of 5, they all immediately blamed the system. When it was about Bama being 4, the system worked as intended bc it got the 4 best teams. But Georgia at 6? Well, I never liked the system!
The argument there was the inconsistency. There’s two patterns of thought. If it was about (1) which teams EARNED their spot, obviously Florida State should have gotten in. This is most people’s critique. But even if it was about (2) the four BEST teams (what the committee alleged last week knowing they may need to justify putting Alabama in over FSU in case both Alabama and FSU won) then UGA should have clearly ALSO been ranked higher than FSU. Probably OSU too, tbh. So the committee wasn’t even consistent with themselves.
They could've just said because FSU won their conference championship game and Georgia lost. Basically if you're not a conference champion, you're out of the discussion this year. The main argument is undefeated power five and one loss conference champions. If Bama lost to Auburn and beat Georgia, they don't get in, Georgia doesn't get in and its FSU and Texas. They wouldn't even put in a two loss team in over a TCU team who lost their conference championship last year.
@@yanks2661 I disagree. They wanted a brand name. Had Auburn beaten Alabama, they would have picked Ohio State, and ranked them #3 to avoid a Michigan rematch in the semis
I'm not even a Florida State fan and they got screwed. According to ESPN though we all just need to shut up and take it.
Rich Eisen said it best: Imagine if the Eagles had been excluded from the playoffs after Carson Wentz went down? Nobody would have believed Nick Foles would go on to win a Super Bowl and take a ring from the GOAT. But that’s what happened!
The only problem is, the eagles played just as well without wentz on the offensive side of the ball. FSU had 141 yards passing over the last two games combined. They are not the same team without JT and it shows
but the problem is in the NFL every team is close to each other, but in college football there is a huge disparity between the best and worst teams. I’m not seeing you advocate for Liberty to get in, they’re undefeated.
@@Seahawk210Actually, the Eagles struggled offensively with Foles as QB for the remainder of the regular season. That’s why they were the underdogs according to betting lines throughout the playoffs. Foles only caught his stride in the NFC Championship vs. the Vikings.
That's his way of saying that he knows Michigan is going to have a much harder time with Alabama than with FSU.
Not pro football moron. Rich risen is a crybaby cheater who is afraid of bama
If Alabama would have been in Florida States position they would have still gotten in.
You mean if Alabama was the team with the weaker schedule who hadn't beaten the number one team head up, and who's best win of the year was to number 13, and who hadn't looked very good since their main man got injured? I don't know. If that was the case, Alabama would have probably gotten left out and they would have put Ohio State in.
@@BigPermDawg I honestly don't believe that...and that is ultimately what college football lost with this decision. Credibility. Polls, Computers, Committee, it's always going to equal the same thing, the results on the field will not be the deciding factor.
@@BigPermDawgBama played Chattanooga as a non conference game. FSU played LSU.
@fweeduff do you watch any football! Bama played Texas as a non conference team, and they are ranked 3, if I checked last time. Bama played LSU, no big deal and the rest of the SEC, including #1 Georgia. FSU got to play the crappy ACC schedule, so stop the discussions, and watch some football. FSU SOS was 55, Bama was 5, and you wonder why some of you FSU fans are delusional. With Travis you are a top 4 team! Without him you are at best a 8 or 9 in the ranking.
People forget, when Tua got hurt in 2020, we were not the same team, and were left out of the playoffs, and we deserved that. So stop telling me if you lose Travis, that you are the same team. And remember who destroyed all of college football in 2021, Mac Jones and Bama, when they smoked Oh State.
Facts
The problem is that they have never applied the "best 4" standard before. Every single other undefeated team has gotten in. Dan talks about NFL but the NFL doesn't choose playoff teams by who they think are the best teams at the end of the year but by record. The committee has never used this standard before. They should have just come out and said, "we did it for the money". That's reality.
Why isn't undefeated Liberty in the playoffs then? We definitely need a better playoff system, but college football is far too complicated to only base rankings off of wins like the NFL does.
Alabama would beat FSU BY 4 TDs. Just stop
FSU should have told Auburn how to defend 4th and 31
they beat auburn (the same auburn team that got killed by new mexico state) on a last play miracle after getting a miracle muffed punt. they beat south florida by 2TDs with one of those TDs coming with 30 seconds left in the 4th quarter..@@cleveland2022
@@blinkrift There has ALWAYS been a line between the power 5 conferences and the G5 conferences. They shattered that you are just okay with it because you got what you wanted. Everybody knows what happened wasn't right from every other fanbase
Screw anything ESPN says, all of their "analysts" have been pushing leaving FSU out for the past week.
FACTS. They started laying the ground work a few weeks ago actually
Good, nobody wanted to see that trash offense play in a CFP game anyways.
Yes, they did. EVER SINCE Travis got hurt.
Actually I think there are people on both sides of the argument like Greeny and Dom.
Facts
I officially have a boatload of respect for Greeny!!!!!
I dont. He is who Goldberg said he was.
The NFL comparison does not apply because Florida State werent playing the same teams as Alabama.
@@2011hwalker you’re right, we didn’t play South Florida/Arkansas or Auburn……all sub-500 teams they just barely beat soooooo….🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
@@taylenzz5th vs 55th. They didn't struggle to beat BC with a heisman candidate qb
If they aren’t the same team after the JT injury why was FSU ranked #4 going into this week despite knowing about the injury?
Perfect point!
Because Texas hadn't won the Big 12 and beating OK State the way they did and Alabama hadn't beat #1 Georgia yet. They simply ranked them week to week.
And still went 2-0! And their defense held opponents under 20 pts!
It was an open question. After the ACC championship game, that question was answered.
Of course, both post-JT games were wins, despite offensive sputtering. So I get FSU being pissed.
@@tammym8966Texas best player in a boot as well. FSU 3, Bama 4.. UGA 5, Texas 6 with the Baja Blasted logic 😂
Why do they keep having Finebaum, theres no point in having him on with how biased he is
Biggest brown nose in the business!
Guess I'm biased too because Paul is right on this
Paul might be biased. That doesn't make him wrong in this situation though.
He’s the biggest idiot in sports
Paul is trash. You play the game to win, hypotheticals mean nothing.
Paul Finebaum is not a fan of the game of college football. He is an advocate for the university of Alabama.
Imagine, if Drew Bledsoe got injured, a no-named Tom Brady takes over, makes the playoffs, then NFL decides… “There not the same team, Patriots don’t get in the playoffs” 😂😂😂
Greeny, thanks for pushing back and saving this program. This was ESPN/SEC gerrymandering at its lowest. The narrative was set weeks before.
FSU has no argument. Stop
SEC is 7-9 against power 5 teams
Really? Going 13-0 winning every game you were tasked within your control. No argument?
Sounds like you need a crying towel or a snickers bar ... not sure which.
@@alvinross1955 Let's say you're a coach who is taking a football team to go play Michigan. You get to choose whether you take FSU or Bama. Who are you taking?
Texas beat Bama. We don’t need or want to see a rematch. Especially since there are only 4 spots available, I say bama already lost that spot when they lost to Texas.
As a Texas fan, I'm distraught that they didn't put Florida State in. Now if we beat Washington, we will have to play the best team in the nation (Alabama). At least if Florida State was in, we would know it was Michigan we had to play in the final.
As an SEC lover, I totally agree. And I hate TEXAS!!!!! I say that with respect though. Bc if anything it should’ve need Michigan 1, Washington 2, FSU 3, and GA 4. Ot even Texas 4. But Bama should not have hopped 4 spots
Jordan Travis has not been the QB for FSU for weeks and they were ranked the 4th best team in those weeks. What it is the committee could not justify not having a SEC team in the playoffs.
they could at least be honest and say it.
The fact that they even brought up an injury shows how flawed the championship system is.
And it’s not like he was throwing 300 yards a game. It was a team effort. If you’ve watched every game and not working the ESPN talking points.
The SEC isnt owed a spot..not to mention FSU beat two SEC teams AND ACC had a winning record against the SEC...money and tv contracts sold out the playoff long time ago!
@jimfrazier8611I love one thing about all of this the CFP committee looks completely absolutely dumb and totally stupid
They just couldn’t stomach the fact that the SEC wouldn’t be in the playoffs! They didn’t want to upset Saban.
The JT injury was really an excuse.
ESPN has been talking FSU being out before the injury.
The realist thing said
An entire show of opinions. Exactly how FSU got left out. It was the committees opinion that FSU couldn't win another game without 1 player. Great coaching win football games. FSU won their conference with a 3rd string true freshman!
That tells you what they think of that conference
FSU would get smoked in a playoff game. Facts
The real travesty is that we've accepted the idea that a committee should pick the best teams and it shouldn't be the most deserving teams. And that player availability, projecting the future, etc. should matter. Who decided that? We've mostly gotten the right teams over the years and it was better than it used to be but it's always been wrong as written.
I've been thinking all of this through since Sunday. And I really feel like it is more subjective to put a "deserving" team in rather than trying to put the "best". I've heard so many people on the side of Florida State complaining about subjectivity. But if the committee starts looking for "deserving" teams, that's subjective too. I would feel better knowing that they were trying to put the best in and not get caught up with trying to decides who "deserves" it more. What does "deserve" mean? If Oregon had beaten Washington, they would have "avenged" their only loss and gotten in with one loss and no one would have complained. Yet I don't feel most people think that they are actually better than Alabama or Georgia. I would say that Alabama beating Georgia is better than playing Texas again and "avenging" their one loss. So in my eyes, they more than avenged their one loss. They knocked off the two-time defending national champ who had won 29 games in a row and was undefeated ranked number one. Most commentators think that Georgia is better than Florida State, but those same commentators think Florida State deserve to be in over Georgia and Alabama. If that's not subjective, I don't know what is. It's always going to have subjectivity in the decision, but "deserves" is way more subjective than "best".
@@BigPermDawgLet’s say a team loses their first 3 games then wins their remaining 10, and there’s a 12-1 team that lost in the final weeks of the regular season.
Does the 10-3 team qualify for the playoffs ahead of the 12-1 team because “they’re one of the best teams in the country right now?”
That’s the issue I have with Alabama getting in. It completely voids the entirety of the regular season in favor of ‘current form’ because the committee thinks hypothetically, FSU can’t beat the other teams without Jordan Travis. However, the fact that it’s hypothetical means no one is certain that it WILL happen.
The only thing that is certain is what the teams have done up until now, and throughout the course of the season as a whole, I’d say Florida State was better than Alabama.
@@noid7598 Why, because Alabama lost to a team that was (way) better than anyone on Florida State's schedule? Alabama played a much tougher schedule, Florida State's best win (by far) is MAYBE Alabama's 3rd best.
@@noid7598 First, I don't think Alabama is a case of current form. They have won 11 in a row. Second, I'm not arguing for Georgia to be in. I'm arguing that why is Oregon beating Washington acceptable to get Oregon in with one loss, but Alabama beating Georgia isn't acceptable, when everyone thinks Alabama is better than Oregon..... and Washington for that matter. What's harder? Beating Oregon twice or Georgia once? I would argue that beating Georgia is the bigger feat. Florida State shouldn't be mad at Alabama. Alabama is for real. They should be wondering why Florida State is the odd man out amongst the other two undefeateds. Michigan beat Ohio State at home and no one else. Washington beat Oregon twice and no one else. The problem has come from the bogus pre-championship rankings. Why was Alabama 8 and Oregon five? They both had one loss and Alabama would have been favored against Oregon. If Alabama had been 5 then this wouldn't be quite the issue. Everybody takes issue with them jumping from 8 to 4.
@@noid7598 and no, I don't think a team with 3 losses but gets on a hot streak should be considered. One loss is different. And I have a problem with a team losing their conference championship and still getting in. I also don't like how an undefeated team who is a lock for the playoff has to play a lower ranked team who has no shot for the playoffs. (ex. Michigan vs Iowa). A team in that situation should be allowed to opt out of the conference championship for bigger and better things.
To say Alabama "Controlled" the game and won over Georgia barely by 3 points is a hilarious take.
They held the lead for three quarters. It's not like it was back and forth and they easily could've scored on their last drive instead of kneeling.
Controlled the game but didn't score a TD second half until 5 min mark in the 4th. The QB got outplayed by Georgia's with their two best players not performing at their normal level either. Im not going to say Dan didn't watch the game cause that's all that was on and the highlight game of the week but he defiantly let his hot take fly with this one.
With a highly improper call on 4th down that gave bama a TD and took momentum from GA.
Agreed, but If Bama's DB's don't drop 3 gift pics that hit them literally in the hands they boat race Georgia and no one is having this debate.
Exactly!!! especially that controversial 4 & 4 play. That lead to a Bama TD
FSU got jobbed no question. You can’t penalize FSU players, coaches, and fans because 1 player is injured. They may have lost in the semis, but you just can’t make that assumption without them playing. They would not do this to Alabama or Georgia, no way.
Of course they can
Notice no one brought up Carson Wentz going down as the favorite to win the league MVP and the Eagles went on to win the Super Bowl with Foles
yep, and the FSU staff would have had 3 more weeks to get the backup some meaningful 1st team reps
@@GoodStuff1992when FSU gets destroyed by UGA and Bama wins the championship.. everyone will realize the committee got it right. If anyone got shafted it’s UGA. The SEC championship was the National championship lol
Exactly! How many times did a big name QB go down and the backup step up?
Brady in his first Superbowl!
@@K3andK4how many times? Not many
@kmaltech its a lose lose situation for FSU. If FSU loses, people will say they shouldnt have been in the top 4. if FSU wins, people will say UGA didnt want to be there but wanted to be in the top 4m
However, I think that this year, the SEC being bettter is a different story.
Texas beat Alabama 34-24 in Tuscaloosa.
Bama beat a 6-6 South Florida team 17-3. A USF team that had terrible defensive performances in a non power conference.
Bama beat a 7-5 Texas A&M team 26-20, a team that gave up over 40 points to Miami and LSU and fired Jimbo Fisher.
Bama beat a 4-8 Arkansas team 24-21. Arkansas lost to Missouri 48-14, Auburn 48-10, and two losing record teams BYU and Florida.
Bama beat a 6-6 Auburn team 27-24 Fluke Miracle. An Auburn team that got blown out by LSU and lost to New Mexico State 31-10.
Precisely thissssss!
what is bro yapping about 💀 They already made the playoffs
you mean bought into the playoffs, did make anything but cash flow@@JOMT2
Not to mention that oklahoma beat texas
You could do this with literally any team including Michigan, Washington and especially texas
“Someone was gonna get left out” yeah but never the sec. the intentional blindness is absolutely infuriating and I’m not even an FSU fan. Blood boiling for every non sec/b10 fan base
Yep, and liberty. They got left out too. They went undefeated as well. Its almost like thats not all that actually matters.. weird...
The committee messed up by ranking FSU as high as #4 if they didn’t believe they were a true #4 to begin with this wouldn’t be a heated argument.
They gave FSU 1 more game to show out. If they blow out Louisville, they are in. They'd have to put them in. Instead they scored 16 pts on a non top 10 team with an average defense. Pretty much advertised, nah we ain't the same
@@MrAitraining Wrong if they did that then they would not have put in a SEC team. UT was going to get in because they beat Bama H2H. No matter how many points they beat Louisville it wouldn't have mattered.
@@MrAitrainingThe name of the game is to win. Every game is not going to be a blow out.
@@Damariun224true, but CERTAIN games are important times to win bigger and prove yourself… and in their championship games, I saw Alabama take down the best team in the country while FSU barely slid by Louisville.
Exactly
Best point made was that the system was setup to fail. 5 power conferences and only 4 spots.... They ALWAYS knew this would happen and instead of doing 6 teams to avoid this they wanted to keep the extra "bowl" games.
You know why? Because the bowl games generate more money.
This. Well said.
Yep. This was the purpose of this system. It was even written into their mission to give them the ambiguity to rationalize any decision they made however they wanted to. The truth is every argument that was made for keeping out FSU should have kept Ohio State out in 2014 (championship played in 2015). They couldn't go with that precedent though, so they just made up new reasons. The good thing is they already have the 12 team playoff ready for next year and this year just solidifies why it was necessary.
But when has the committee left out and undefeated power 5 team! Never. And they let bama get in because of they’re name
@@kentrelljohnson4538 No they let them in because they are the SEC Champs.
Well let them make the hard decision to leave an undefeated power 5 champion out when there are five of them. Not when there are 3 and leave 1 out for two 1 loss teams. It’s not right!!!
I’m a Washington fan, and my heart breaks for Florida State. That being said, if we’re to judge how valuable a player is to their team, it baffles me why Jordan Travis isn’t in consideration for the Heisman. As much as I’d like to see Penix, who beat Bo Nix twice, win the Heisman, it should be Jordan Travis. Hypothetically giving him the award won’t make up for FSU getting ROBBED from the CFP, but it should show how valuable he is to that team.
A similar argument could be made for Utah. Their quarterback didn't play a down all season long. He should be in the Heisman conversation. I can't remember his name but he probably qualifies.
@@christopherfoote4643 You’re talking about Cam Rising. Utah probably would’ve beat Washington if he was healthy. Unlike Jordan Travis, Cam Rising didn’t play at all this year because of his knee injury in last year’s Rose Bowl. Can’t give the trophy to a guy who didn’t play one snap on the field.
Preach, by the CFP logic JT should win the Heisman.
If Alabama would have been down to their 3rd string qb and undefeated the media would have been raving about how he's a 5 star and with the break they'll have time to coach him up. This a total money play.....bring on the 12 team system and burn the committee down
Look what Alabama did with Tua. Came on at halftime and took over. Alabama is on another level. They earned the respect they get. Their backups are better than your starters.
Greeney one of the few ESPN analysts with common sense
Greenery is a clown
Lol..NO! He showed he's a FOOLISH CRY BABY
Then why isnt Jordan Travis the heisman winner if he is that valuable???
That is a great take!
Because he's good. Just not as good as Jayden Daniels.
@@cljackson512we beat Jayden Daniels twice. But I forgot head to head only matters when it fits your narrative
@cljackson512 well head to head didn't go that way. But LSUs terrible secondary can account for some of that.
@cljackson512 still the excuse to leave fsu out is terrible. Nobody knows for sure what would happen whether they win it all or not. They were no question deserving
Totally with Greeny, how did Texas jump FSU beating a lower ranked OSU? How is Georgia behind FSU if FSU is supposedly so poor. Crazy.
Yes and LSU 'on the road' is no joke either
You couldn’t put Bama in without putting in Texas lol we dominated them at home
lol FSU couldnt beat Alabama in Tuscaloosa with ten attempts.
@@ImMe20127 will be RAD if both Bama n' Texas lose!😎😉
The committee is on the SEC payroll, the SEC is not as good as in the past. The transfer portal has changed the playing field. Only 1 team has an elite defense and its FSU. Keep in mind we beat a 15th rank team with a 3rd string, and the 2nd stringer will be back healthy to play next week.
Greeny is 100%
They don’t even have the best defense in their conference.
@@dariuswilliams3206 they ranked better than bama 😆 🤣
@@Carlos-en1ws so OSU should be in?
@@dariuswilliams3206 no they didn't win p5 conference
If only FSU has an elite defense, y'all should have no trouble holding Georgia to under 20 points lmao
Therefore, based on the argument, the moment when QB went down, FS shoud not be in top 4 ranking IN PAST TWO WEEKS. That is what went wrong. No consistency at all. If Georgia won, FS will be the four seed. Just because no undefeated SEC team, they have to make up something they did not consider at all two weeks ago. SMH.
When he went down, they then let the 2 weeks of evidence of awful offensive play determine their conclusion. Also, in that two week span, Bama beat Georgia and UT won a conference championship in a more competitive conference. People so butthurt you’ll be thanking the committee when Michigan/Bama is a classic unlike the Michigan/FSU boat race that would’ve occurred
Them trying to justify why Bama and Texas are ahead of FSU is INSANE
Well Georgia gonna smoke them
They are better the fsu dude if fsu. Made the final 4 they would get slaughtered + their going to get embarrassed in their bowl game
@@ShredhackUGA smoke most team except Bama so what are u saying?
@@tonystarks7715 bama beat Georgia whos gonna smoke fsu
Fsu should be happy they won’t be exposed on a bigger stage
If they're going to ignore losses then Georgia needs to be in. If wins matter then FSU needs to be in.
Greeny speaking the truth. It’s super simple: the committee will always chose advertising dollars and viewership over if teams actually deserve it.
Absolutely right.
Well it is a business. Lets not kid ourselves
FSU played no team in the top 10. The best team they played was #13 LSU. How do you beat the thirteenth best team and then consider yourself one of the best teams in the country? Play tougher teams and you'll get more respect.
@waffles4393 I mean, they scheduled two SEC teams. They both happened to be on a below average year for them. It was a down year for clemson. It's not like they scheduled uconn and UMass, they can't help that those teams were off. Schedules are done ahead of time.
Exactly. It should be Michigan, Washington, Florida State, And Texas.
They did NOT get it right. “Win all your games and get into the playoffs, unless it’s bad for the SEC”
Why didn't liberty get in ?
This is a elementary argument. As if strength of schedule doesn't apply.
Everyone bringing up the SEC like Texas didn't also leapfrog over FSU but nobody is talking about that 🤣 People BEGGED the committee to use nuance for years when they were letting Notre Dame in, they finally do and let the champions of the best 4 conferences in and now everybody has a problem 😂
win all the CUPCAKE games not all conferences or games are equal this is not NFL their SOS 55th out of 130 bama was 5th and beat #1 best win FSU has is over 2 loss Louisville that lsot prior week to kentucky a 6-6 sec team. if you cannot beat kentucky 10-2 means nothing so beating thm means nothing but I know facts kill your lame argument all wins are not equal
OH more ACC guys on committee than any conference 5 of 12 voters acc tied LOL yeah conspiracy theory just died
What the "Committee got right" crowd is admitting is the ACC and SEC are not equals. The only reason why people are saying FSU is not the same team is because they played ACC opponents which they believe are inferior to the SEC. Therefore, Bama's schedule is seen as tougher because they play in the SEC. This is despite the fact the ACC went 6-4 against the SEC this year. It is SEC bias playing out and it will kill the ACC in the long run. Congrats guys for supporting further conference realignment.
Let’s actually take a step back and look at this 6-4 and record. LSU, you got it. 2 South Carolina wins, Vandy, Florida, and A&M? Seriously?
They play GA in the orange bowl we'll see
They can prove it on the field 😂
@@dariuswilliams3206 You’re proving his point exactly
His point is invalid. For example, if FSU is the top of the ACC then let them play THE TOP of the SEC. That's what Alabama did. Not to mention that win against LSU that all of FSU wants to hang their hat on, came with one Jordan Travis taking snaps, not Tate Rodemaker.
When came to Alabama, they had no problem defending the system. Soon as Greeny bought up Georgia, no one can explain it 🤦🏾♂️
Difference is in the NFL they wouldn’t eliminate you from the playoffs over an injured player. You guys have really made me jaded to college football
NFL comparison is not relevant, all NFL teams are playing professional rosters, FSU played pretty average teams all year.
@@2011hwalker majority of the SEC is average. Georgia played an absolute cupcake OOC schedule and they are supposedly #1?
Just call it the Alabama invitational instead of the college football playoff
That's what I call it 😂
Exactly.
Can FSU just ask for their bowl $ so they won’t have to show up and Georgia can stay home too so no one from UG get injured in a sport full of injuries? Why show up if the committee already screwed then over
Finebaum yesterday saying FSU barely got by louisville with a 3rd string qb while ignoring the fact Bama needed a miracle against a bad Auburn team with their starting QB 😂😂
Of course that gets ignored
Texas lost to Oklahoma and barely beat TCU and Kansas State
Bama also needed a completion call on 4th and 4 where the ball hit the ground. Had the refs made the right call, Alabama wouldn't have turned it over on downs
So are calls by the officials (good/bad) going to become a criteria for evaluating the quality of wins and losses?@@unrealuknow864
@@timothywarren3768The same Texas that beat Alabama in Tuscaloosa?
no one cares what Fingerinhisbum says.
So now every team must be healthy and undefeated in order to make the CFP!
Greeny is dead on! Forget what everyone else is saying.
Foolish
The committee just couldn’t stomach not having an SEC team in the playoff
There is no playoff without the sec
youre so brave
There use to be up to the late 90s.
Irony about that is majority of the committee are ACC alumni.... Only 2 members are from the SEC...😂
@@TB-wj2veThat means, they were already biased against FSU.
FSU began the season ranked #8. During the remainder of the entire season, they were ranked as high as #3. They were never ranked lower than #5. For the majority of the season, they were ranked #4. Yet in the end, after finishing 13-0 and winning their conference championship, they were not worthy of a top 4 spot? If that's the case, then why were they ranked 3rd, 4th, or 5th at all throughout the season? Why wait until the last weekend of the season to throw them on the scrap heap when they could've done so at any point during the season? Makes no sense, but then again, when has the NCAA ever made sense?
I’ve heard many argue that excluding FSU was the path of least resistance, and it generally makes sense. However, it’s the only option that requires obliterating a fundamental principle of competitive sports - the games matter, and wins/losses matter. Excluding FSU is the only option that guts the integrity of the game and fan confidence in why we all follow sports in the first instance - to let the players and team performance determine who wins. In the end, that’s not about taking the path of “least resistance,” but rather a demonstrated commitment to sacrilege.
When all the teams don’t play all the teams, strength of schedule really matters. By your argument Liberty should be in. And that’s absurd.
The object of the committee was to select the four best teams. The emotional response from some people is clouding their judgment.
@@LotusHart01 My argument does not support Liberty. FSU and Alabama both played LSU and the Noles had the more impressive showing. Plus, Alabama struggled mightily at Auburn and USF and lost by double digits at home. This was a complete take down and undressing of college football by the corrupt collusion of a miserable network and its backwoods conference. It’s completely disgusting.
Oh stop it. FSU played the 55th hardest schedule in the country while Alabama played the 5th.
Bama simply had the better resume.
Far from hurting the integrity of the sport, this will only incentivize teams to schedule better competition. That's a good thing.
I will not stop it. It’s a travesty and I’m entitled to express my opinion when I see ESPN and its miserable backwoods conference continue to diminish the once great sport. As far as scheduling tougher opponents, do you mean how UGA dropped OU? Also, how much tougher than LSU and UF do you want? FSU’s kids busted their tails and won every single game, including two against the backwoods conference. Bama walked off their own field with a double digit loss. FSU’s strength of record was higher than Alabama’s. This was an easy case to do right but the imbeciles in charge opted to line their pockets instead. Wake up if you don’t see that.
Greeny spittin’ facts in this segment! I feel like the selection committee moves the goalpost every year.
They did Florida State Wrong 😡😡😡
There is no right or wrong. There is no integrity. It is just about money. And that is all it is. Money has corrupted college football. It isn't the same as it was just 3 years ago.
Who was they going to beat if they was to put them in playoff
@@rainmandeebee9611Any one of the 4, easily
FSU 3, Bama 4 would’ve been honorable.
they could only score 16 pts on Louisville, a non top 10 team with an average defense. At the minimum it wasn't a way to show out to let people know you are capable of playing Michigan
This was not an agonizing decision. The moment Georgia lost everyone knew Alabama was getting in even if Florida State had beaten Louisville by 5 touchdowns and the 3rd string QB had thrown for 400 yards and 4 TDs.
As for Finebaum and faux outrage? This is the same guy who watched SEC bagmen buy titles for 50 years and said he would not recognize Michigan as national champion even though the NCAA gas yet to serve even a notice of allegations.
Finebaum is just SEC mouthpiece
So for 9 years the Committee has used the logic of "most deserving" to pick the 4 playoff teams until the SEC is going to be left out then the rules change......got it
Well there has never been a more competitive field than this year. Doing it by the book wouldn’t work as well
And you know had Bama not got that miracle in Auburn, that then Georgia with 1 loss would have been ranked ahead of FSU now. But obviously they think FSU is undoubtedly better by ranking them ahead of Georgia lol
That’s all this was! They change the criteria to benefit who they want in
No it’s not an sec bias. It’s a bama bias
@@polo4941
The committee wanted Oregon and Texas in . The committee did not look at history of Alabama playing in Atlanta . Alabama has never loss in the new station 9 and 0 . They really thought Georgia would beat Alabama and Oregon would beat Washington .
Someone once said its not a playoff, its just an invitational.
It’s clearly both.
It's a playoff when you get there. It's an invitational UNTIL you get there.
An undeafeated PAC-12 team over an undefeated ACC team is crazy. If it were Clemson instead of Florida St it would’ve been different
Greeny l agree with you, the system is F- UP!!!!!!!!!!!!
Greeney is a joke and a wimp. Say this to the committee faces. You won't no more than you would say anything to golics face you weeney.
Somebody was gone get snubbed either way , can’t please everyone, fsu are not same team without Travis period I don’t understand why people don’t get it💯!!!! Rollll tiiidddeee
@@BAMAMADEMGlol of course you’re a tide fan
Mike Greenberg is a college casual. He's just blowing what others are saying.
@MrAitraining doesnt make it less truthful.
I understand this ranking but have one major complaint: What if FSU had lied about Jordan Travis’ status? What if they covered up his leg, hid him in a room for a month and said he’d be available come playoff time? Would the committee have put them in? Ranking a team based on injury is subjective and stupid
I am shouting EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!
There was no way FSU could of lied about Travis injury. The whole world seen the injury
Maybe a toe injury but it’s hard to lie about a broken leg not being broken.
@@jasonj_vii2012it’s a hypothetical
Vegas would be more than a little pissed!
Lawsuit incoming from the ACC & FSU.. You can’t screw coach’s players teams and conferences without consequences.
They don’t even have to win a lawsuit here either. If the discovery phase uncovers significant media influence over the CFP’s decisions, it would de-legitimizes the CFP as a championship, even if they can’t win the lawsuit in court.
Easily thrown out
Greeny said it best, "They put the 4 teams in they wanted to put in"
Paul finebaum is a joke
The problem is consistency they have a different excuse every year when they do something foolish
The ACC is 6-4 against the SEC this season. Bama got beat by double digits at home by Texas.
Shh - we’re not supposed to talk about that.
Georgia not being considered because they didn’t win their conference sounds like the most deserving argument not best team argument. They can just kind of flip flop when they need to
Mind blowing 🤯🤯🤯
In 175 years no #1 team who lost by 3 to the #4 team and drop 8 spots in a week
There are only 2 conferences now. They just decided that of you're not Big 10 or SEC going forward, you don't have a shot.
"This was an agonizing, difficult decision" that the committee made at least 2 weeks ago.
I love how everyone likes to predict what will happen in the future. How FSU would be major underdogs in the top 4. Maybe so. No disagreement. But that is why the games are played. The results matter on the field. FSU had absolutely earned the right to be in the top 4 and should have been. Whether or not that makes for a competitive matchup should not matter at all. Let them have a chance to prove it on the field instead of old committee members deciding the fate of one truly deserving team. You can also say that Alabama is the better team. That might also be true but it is subjective. The way winners are determined is not based on judges or opinions. It is fought for on the field. BCS was better in determining rankings.
Can you imagine if the NFL did this? "Those wins you got when your injured quarterback was healthy don't matter. You don't get in the playoffs any more." It sounds stupid because it IS stupid.
@@PinkyToMyBrain The NFL has a firm grip on its playoff system and is a smaller, more controlled setting than College Football.
And other ppl love how yall think FSU wouldn't get blowed out. They might not even have scored and offensive td against Michigan. I'd looked like Iowa game
The committee made it clear they are going for the best teams, not the most deserving. That could be why FSU didn't get in. I expect Georgia will win decidedly against FSU. That should help put this whole controversy into perspective for the fans.
The committee has criteria to show that Alabama is the better team. The biggest outlier was strength of schedule. People complained about BCS and Alabama was better then too.
Under what circumstances should a team that upsets the #1 team in the land and wins the SEC Championship not be in the playoffs?
FSU won all of its games and generated a strength of record that is BETTER than Bama’s. That is the one metric that normalizes the data and generates a benchmark. Plus, FSU doesn’t know what it feels like to lose this season. Bama walked off its OWN FIELD with heads down after a double digit beat down in front of their own crying fans. Disgusting that the committee handicapped the season and gave them a second shot. I couldn’t look at myself if I were Saban and Bama players knowing how much FSU’s players - the real storyline here - are suffering right now. But we shouldn’t expect more from a miserable backwoods conference.
Alabama’s strength of schedule was ranked 5th in the nation. FSU’s was 55th. It’s not even close, and they scored 3 points in the first half against an 8 and 4 Louisville the other night.
FSU is trash dude. They wasn’t invited because committee members that are a part of the ACC believes that as well.
@@jonnyboyyyy oh, I’m sorry, I thought games mattered after all 4 quarters, not just the first half. Too bad an elite defense doesn’t seem to matter at all. 🙄
@@CEH477 , oh you’re right! I totally forgot about those other 13 points they scored in the second half. My bad.
And you mention elite defenses? Alabama and Louisville’s defenses are almost identically ranked, with similar numbers, except Alabama did it against much harder opponents. Both teams have great defense but one actually has offense, and it was Alabama the other night that outscored the eight best offense in the nation. Side note, FSU only scored 3 points in the first half against Louisville.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...a nole fan calling the premier conference in all of CFB a "backwoods" conference. So, maybe you need to stick to your fav sports like crochet (pronounced cro-shay), knitting, and underwater basket weaving.
It's not a playoff, it's a beauty pageant
It’s a popularity contest where sometimes they invite a “deserving” team
Thanks Greeny. Needed to be said.
What really bother me is that if Bama was on its 3rd string QB and were undefeated would they still put them in? Of course
@@michaeloverton2437well our history backs it up with 7 championships so I see why we’d get in over a team that would’ve gotten smacked in the playoffs
@@CPF222 I get your history and it’s undeniable but your Bama pass history has nothing to do with this year. It’s about what they did on the field this year. IMHO you can’t tell team what they need to do to get into the playoffs and then they do that and you leave them out. Yes, their QB is out but this is a team game and that’s why I brought up if Bama QB was out of the game would they still take Bama. But like I tell my Soldiers opinions are like buttholes everyone has one.
@@michaeloverton2437we beat more top 25 teams than you and our loss is to the #3. If it was most deserving this year its FSU that gets in but the committee said best , FSU is not better than the top 4
Lol..Beyond foolish
I tell yall what .when they play Georgia there going to find out why they are not innnnnn .if anything prove why you should of been inn ❤
The 100 other players on Florida state are irrelevant all of the sudden. They’re Acting like bama didn’t scrap by multiple bad teams during the season
What if a team lost it's first 3 games, but then destroyed everyone from there on out, including Top 10 teams. Since they are playing the "best" football in the country over the past 10 weeks, and are considered to be unbeatable, and the "best", should they get in? What if it meant kicking Bama to the curb to make room for them? Yeah, I didn't think so.
We all know Alabama wouldn't have been left out if they were in the same situation. It's not a 4 team playoff, it's SEC+3.
@@bigwitt187: So true. In the last 17 years, the SEC has been in 16 national championship games, and won 13. This couldn't happen without a lot of help.
If the committee applied that standard which they applied to bama, than Arizona should’ve been ranked as a top 10 team so yeah
@@josephheenan1695: We have seen the Committee use the "best" team argument to benefit Alabama. We have seen the Committee use the argument of conference champions to benefit Bama. Now, we have seen the injured player argument to give Bama another turn. When does it end?
That's not especially very likely. I'm not sure there are many (or any) evidences of that happening. It might be possible for a team to make improvements. USC supposedly was a shoe in for an at large this season. Everyone kept waiting for them to gel. It didn't happen. That's because games aren't won on paper. USC might finish 7-6. That's an example of a team everyone thought would win.
Paul Finebaum is the type of guy who enjoys sitting in the corner of the room and watching
Screw Heather and the lying committee! ESPN conspired before Travis was hurt!
Change the jerseys in the ACC championship game to bama and another team, and that game gets described as a defensive struggle instead of dreadful offensive game.
nah it doesnt, The FSU qb looked like a junior high quarterback it was flat out embarrassing
"Football became figure-skating." Greeny dropping TRUTH and all these losers can't accept it.
I'm a hurricanes fan and this pissed me off I hate how they always bring up the TCU game like they couldn't compete after they literally beat #2 Michigan to get there. This just the good ol' boys doing everything they can to make the last top 4 CFP the way they like it
I guess you wasn't updated on the Michigan cheating scandal and how it affected that game..
Ok Fla St wins first game then gets blown out the championship game who wants to see that.
And how did that TCU/Georgia game turn out.......
@@jimfrost5287blow outs happen all the time
@@cljackson512it's all about money I just wish y'all could admit that
Asking Paul Finebaum if they got it right by putting a SEC team in 😂
"A TCU disaster" can happen, any given Saturday, regardless of who's playing
Greenie is the only guy on Get Up with some integrity.
Lol..FOOLISH, RIDICULOUS and CHILDISH
I’m an SEC guy, but FSU and Texas should’ve got in over Alabama lol
I thought fsu would get in but either Texas or bama would of been the 4th spot.
So you’re telling me you would choose fsu over Alabama if they played Saturday?
@@Gk54493 nope. But I also wouldn’t choose Michigan or Washington over UGA if they played Saturday.
thank you GREENY!!!! You said it BEST!!!!!! FSU should be in it doesn’t matter if they lost their starting QB!
So let’s get this straight, the committee determines Alabama is unequivocally better than FSU but Georgia not after that SEC title game by ranking them 6th? Pretty sure had Bama not beat Auburn but still won the SEC championship by 3 points, the committee then would have ranked Georgia ahead of FSU..
If Texas did not beat Bama then the committee would have put in UGA and Bama and still ensured that FSU would not have made the playoffs.
It's a mess... they pooped their pants this year (the committee)
@@joshuamccall8043I think too if Texas lost the big12 title game, I think Georgia pushes fsu out as well making it 1 mich, 2 wash, 3 bama 4 Georgia
@@joshuamccall8043agreed 100%. I’m just pointing out that they didn’t completely determine this playoff this year by best 4 teams. Because otherwise they would rank Georgia ahead of FSU. But they would have ranked them ahead of FSU had Bama came into that game with two losses
@@jcelldogsagreed that’s what they would have done. The hypocrisy comes in that they currently have Georgia at 6 behind FSU while simultaneously ranking Bama at 4 based on best teams. Their rankings are saying they think FSU is unequivocally better than Georgia who lost a 3 point game to Bama, but somehow they also come to the conclusion Bama is unequivocally better than FSU.
Mike Greeny said it all!
The games matter. But some games matter more. And SEC games matter more than ACC games. That's the only message the committee sent Sunday
yeah they do, because the ACC is garbage-look at the championship games, Louisville vs FSU was a debacle.
The idea that there is a committee at all is because the wins and losses alone don't matter. It's always a discussion.
Yup. Common Sense at its best
As a Michigan fan im excited to play Alabama but FSU did get passed over!
They got passed over because they’re not better than Alabama or Texas. It’s that simple.
BS
If Georgia beats FSU would you still think they got passed over?
@lotushart3221 it don't matter, Georgia will beat 98% of teams but still FSU went undefeated!
It does matter. The committee came out publicly and stated they are selecting the best teams, not the most deserving. They didn't think FSU could compete at the level the other four teams can at this point in the season. If FSU does not beat Georgia, the narrative that the committee snubbed FSU will decimate among the objective. All that will be left is the emotionally involved outliers with the "most-deserving" argument, which is a good case to make but it wasn't the criteria used to make the selection. @@DonniDixem
Texas got put at #3 because FSU at #3 meant Texas at #4......which meant no S$C in the playoff. They weren't gonna do that. The worst part is that they took the "easy route" and put it on Jordan Travis's injury instead of just owning it at saying they wanted thee best Four Conferences to be in.
Committee Screwed Florida State And Georgia
If one of the top four lose there best player before the playoff games, do we now replace that team?
FSU without Jordan Travis is literally just Michigan with JJ McCarthy
Still went Undefeated and won their Championship
You mad bro 😂
@Seeeemy I don't think you read what he said
They're more like North Carolina without Drake Maye.
Nobody honestly believes that Florida State would beat Michigan, Texas, or Alabama right now. Their defense might make them competitive with Washington, the weakest team in the CFP.
@@robertsingleton5441 no just saying your qb sucks and is on the same level as fsu backup and 3rd stringer