@@Jacob-seek-Jesus-123 and in the CFP final rankings, there is no FSU. When will people finally understand that the AP hasn't been a relevant poll since early in the BCS era.
I think you are missing the point. Pat and his crew are very talented. People were afraid ESPN changed their style. People didn;t like ESPN because they have gotten worse over the years. As for SAS, he is the epitome of double standards. His remarks about Asian and apologize (so fake and his last comment "I still stand by what I said"- if it was a white person, he/she would have been fired.
I believe this is the best "segment" I've ever seen in years! I love the 3 big dawgs sharing their respectful pro opinions. Well done Pat for staying a live wire ;)
@@Bama-SportsGuy doesn’t have to be computers. There can be some sort of definitive tie breaker system (just like the NFL having a tie breaker system for teams with the same records).
@@Bama-SportsGuy yep, everyone had a problem with 2 SEC teams in the natty with BCS. We move to 4 teams, add in the human element and everyone is still mad SEC is in because they look better than FSU without starting qb. Now, we'll go to a 12 team field and everyone will be screaming because the SEC will have multiple teams in every year and likely win it a majority of the time.
1) Alabama can win on a hail Mary against a 6-6 Auburn and not be penalized for not being dominant but Florida State can win against a number #14 Louisville with a 3rd string quarterback and be penalized for it? 2) The Acc had a winning record against the SEC this year 6-4 3) The argument Alabama getting in off of reputation is trash. If we are awarding playoff spots off of reputation there is no point in playing the season. Florida State was robbed.
Recency bias plays a big role in these… but I still think they got it right with Bama getting in. Beating #1 Georgia and having a much better SOS trumps FSU’s resume. Just depends how you look at it 🤷♂️.
Honestly, I love Greeny's take on this. I understand why Bama is in, but I'm not ready to rule out FSU from making a game plan to take out Michigan. They'd have a month to figure out how to best prepare their 2nd string QB.
Michigan would have LOVED to get to play FSU over Bama. The truth is that TCU got lucky last year, and then Georgia exposed them. FSU has even less of a chance than that TCU team did BECAUSE of the Travis injury. You don’t beat elite teams when your best play is in wildcat formation.
fsu with their backup QB isn’t better then any top 10 team the playoffs are the 4 best teams. If fsu was at 4 michigan would be so happy but it’s bama and idk if u seen michigans reaction but they do not wanna play alabama cuz they know its more challenging.
@benmarquess1508 I think where this is getting lost in translation is that FSU can get a lot better over the next 4 weeks compared to what they were against Florida. This is mainly due to getting the #2 QB acclimated better, but it also gives time for FSU to create a stronger offensive attack in general. Is it enough to beat Michigan? I don't know, but I am not ruling it out.
3:45….. I have never seen a single moment embody what these 3 men are about better than this! Stephen A talking very loud and animated Greeny nodding his head sarcastically And Pat just happy to be there barking into the mic!😂😂😂
Pat McAfee and Shannon Sharpe are both breaths of fresh air for ESPN. I seriously have not consumed this much ESPN content EVER! You can also see how revitalized other journalists are with their additions. I don't think I've ever seen Stephen A. Smith with this much juice and moxy. You can tell how much fun he is having now.
From the jump and get go Even as a Buckeye fan like I am, this is def the Alabama and Clemson invitational over an actual Playoff games. So sick and unfair.
Why is it unfair?? I’m a Buckeye fan too (and don’t like Alabama), but beating #1 Georgia in the championship game and having a much better strength of schedule trumps FSU’s record and conference championship.
@@coryjohnson2486 FSU is us from 9 yrs ago. We didnt get penalized for injuries and neither should this team. Being a Champion matters. They awarded Texas for the name and brand on the move along with Sabans commercials.
Your issue is with the system. The committee's job is stated to be to pick the four best teams. The problem is the system and this is the last year of said system. This stuff happens It's happened to the SEC before look at Auburn in the BCS era 2004.
Pat and the crew making ESPN likable again. Having these dudes on in this informal setting really made this debate feel more like just dudes at home arguing in the couch
Greeny is right...sort of. Strength of record should be one of the key factors in getting in the CFP. However, your strength of record (Washington 1 - Michigan 2 - FSU 3 - Bama 4) HAS to be weighed against your strength of schedule (Washington 9 - Michigan 35 - FSU 55 - Bama 5). To find a weaker schedule than FSU in the final CFP top 25 you have to go all the way down to 23 with Liberty, and that bar doesn't get any lower than Liberty. If FSU had played a top 10 strength of schedule (Indiana, Rutgers, Michigan State, Florida, Alabama, Ole Miss, Ohio State, Arkansas, Washington, LSU), they wouldn't be unbeaten and this conversation wouldn't be happening. Much like Michigan, FSU plays in a weak conference, but so does every other team that doesn't play in the SEC (given that the Pac12 is no longer a thing). Why are the top three strength of schedule teams Big Ten then? Because all three played Ohio State, Penn State and Michigan. They all lost every one of those games. The Big Ten, Big XII and ACC are weak. The Pac12 is gone. The SEC does and will continue to dominate college football for decades to come. The Michigan reaction to the announcement of Alabama at four tells you all you need to know. They thought they were getting the easy beatdown in FSU. They know they can't beat Bama.
FSU deserved to be in. The fact their not completely undermined the entire CFP and everything about it. Robbed those kids of a playoff appearance. They beat every person in front of them, WITHOUT THEIR STARTING QB.
It was not impressive at all lmao as well they had a chance to pull an Ohio State when Cardell came in but they scrapped by. But I understand the anger and stuff.
5 conferences with only 4 spots. System was always designed to leave a 13-0 team out. Enough with the complaining. FSU would have been out regardless even if Georgia won. In that scenario it woulda been 1. Georgia. 2. Michigan. 3. Washington. 4. Texas
@@CYB3ROP7iX The ACC in the past decade has won more national championships than every conference COMBINED(minus the SEC, but that includes the Big 10, the Big 12, the Pac 12, etc..)
I think they should’ve done a 6 team playoffs all along. 4 is too little and 12 teams I feel like is too many teams but I guess we’ll see how it plays out next season.
@@MrJayKay11 sure but there’s always going to be a team or two that feels like they got left out. Even with 12 teams, the 13th and 14th team is going to be like they should’ve been in. The BCS system use to be 2 teams so with 6 it’s more than enough.
Stephen A. spot on when it comes to the "juice." A lot of the "secondary" bowls were probably foaming at the mouth early in the season at the chance to have Colorado in their bowl game, just for the recognition and TV ratings.
Strength of schedule matters more than strength of record. FSU’s qb being hurt plus that last awful ACC CHAMPIONSHIP game vs Louisville, punt after punt after punt. Alabama definitely deserved the spot after beating the No. 1 ranked team in the country
What y’all are missing is that CFP top 4 isn’t just power rankings or just standings. It’s a great combination of who DESERVES to be there and who NEEDS to be there. If we go completely off deserving, the top four are Michigan, Washington, FSU, and Liberty (which is bs). If we’re going off power rankings, it’s something in the realm of Georgia, Michigan, Ohio State, and Alabama (which is also bs). The CFP committee did a great job of blending these two systems together to give us a playoff that’s at the same time viable but also well-earned, as all four teams are power 5 conference champs.
The committee and computer thing has and will always be stupid. We’ve never had a playoff system. We’ve only had a pick’em tournament. We should have an actual playoff system that nobody picks whom goes. It should be a win your way in and no one picks who goes. These discussions are a waste of time cause they don’t want to have a correct system.
The committee got it right and wrong at the same time. Not including FSU was the right decision. It’s not just about your record, it’s about having the best teams in the top-4. As constructed right now FSU is not one of those teams for numerous reasons. We can point to the fact that the ACC is garbage this year for starters. Going undefeated in a crap conference and your Heisman-hopeful QB goes down? A 16-6 win where you can’t move the ball against Louisville told the committee and the people that pay attention all we needed to know. Where they got it wrong is leaving Georgia out in my opinion. I don’t know how UT beating OkSt vaults them 4-spots. OkSt lost to S. Alabama and UCF by a combined score of 88-10 this year. Georgia’s resume is better than UT’s: tougher conference, better loss.
"my subjective opinion is better than the committee's subjective decision!" - the summary of everyone whining about who was left out and who got in (which happens EVERY SINGLE YEAR NO MATTER WHAT incase you guys haven't noticed lol)
@@pnut3844able ok use nothing but "objective stats" like the BCS computers did...... nobody ever complained about that or called teams who got left out "unfair", never any controversy or outrage over those rankings huh LOL how do you not understand that no matter what they do, no matter what teams get in, no matter who gets left out, no matter how expanded the playoffs get...... PEOPLE WILL STILL JUST WHINE AND COMPLAIN ABOUT IT
I think they got it RIGHT by putting Alabama over FSU. Beating #1 Georgia is MASSIVE, and FSU is too weak to be in the top 4. Even with an undefeated record and conference championship, Alabama deserves to get in over FSU… and I can’t stand Bama. I could see an argument either way tho.. that’s just my opinion.
@@pnut3844able yeah that’s not a bad argument, but I think they’re leaning harder on how Bama and FSU look RIGHT NOW. FSU’s QB going down could have been the “tiebreaker” in making the decision (even if u don’t believe that should factor in). This is why we need AT LEAST 8 teams in the playoffs each season. 4 spots just isn’t enough.
I see a lot more people saying Texas vs Alabama. You don’t think the Committee set this up for a rematch? 🤨 that’s going to be more of a watched game across the country.
Georgia was on a 20+ game winning streak and Alabama beat them like let’s be real here also if FSU is so good are they going to beat Georgia when they play or is that going to be a beat down?
As a lifelong Alabama fan let me apologize to the college football world for what happened this weekend. We are so sorry that we beat the #1 two times defending national champion. How dare us? I also want to apologize for having a 50 point higher strength of schedule ranking. How dare we. And the fact that we have a healthy starting quarterback is of course unforgivable. We also are responsible for the Florida State offense in the ACC championship game. What in the world were we thinking about subjecting the world to that? We are bad fans for that behavior. So forgive us Florida State. We have learned our lesson and will never do it again.
@@ronaldwilson9525 this is more about the hate for bama than it is an argument for FSU, they know what bama is about to do lmao and ROLL TIDE FOR LIFE BROTHER
Don’t we both know it. I’ve got no problem with Florida State. They did get a bad break but it’s not our fault and we have nothing to be ashamed of for doing what we needed to do. We are made to look like villains just because we won. Roll Tide and stick together like kin brother!
Everyone keeps saying "worried" about TCU. Are we all just ignoring the fact that TCU won their National Semifinal against Michigan before going up against UGA? That is the WEAKEST POSSIBLE argument. No team this year is anywhere close to what UGA was last year. All these excuses need to be MANUFACTURED to explain FSU being left out. If they left Alabama out they had the easiest reason possible, you lost a game. If you want to get in, in a year where we have 4 undefeated Power 5 Conference Champions, you have to be undefeated as well. If Bama was 13-0 I would have absolutely no problem with FSU being left out because it is all equal, then you get to missing personnel, the eye test, etc.. to make the decision. But when you have 4 Undefeated P5 Conference Champs and one with a loss, it's the easiest decision ever. My biggest gripe is that the committee set a precedent over the previous 9 seasons of the CFP (I'm not even talking about OSU with their 3rd string QB), and then decided to flip on those precedents when it suited them. I am not going to argue fair or unfair but I will say it is unreasonable to have all the teams that compete for the CFP understand what is needed to reach the Top 4 and then to all of a sudden change that. Just imagine it was Alabama in this spot being undefeated but losing their QB really late in the season and then getting jumped by a one-loss conference champ from the ACC. I think they would have to put the committee in the witness protection program. But, because it's FSU, because it's the ACC we are just supposed to roll over and accept this it how it is.
Since they were doing unprecedented stuff and the 12-team playoff is coming next year, just do a play-in for the 3rd and 4th spot and let the teams play for it. FSU vs Alabama and Georgia vs Texas. Winners are in and ranked based on their current rankings.
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All 3 in one room??? Definitely need to see this more!
Definitely loved to see this, pat is from my city + I've been watching stephen a and greeny for years, they should have a quick show once a week
SAS trying to ride on pats coattails now
@@NoFace-ke9pcnot even
I agree! That was awesome!
Yeah a show like this would boost rating.
a convo between Greeny, Pat, and Stephen A went off the rails...NEVER would have guessed 😂
neither would have i
The need to get them together for March Madness, things will get nuclear
This crossover debate is actually very entertaining😂
😂😂😂
Can we please get a one time special of Greeney and Stephan A discussing this for an hour? Thanks
Except Stephen A only voices his opinion, almost no facts. Greeney is 100% right
Steven A doesn't know anything
AP College Football Rankings by NCAA
1 Michigan
2 Washington
3 Texas
4 Florida State
There is NO Bama, sorry!
You want to throw up listening to Stephen a for and hour
@@Jacob-seek-Jesus-123 and in the CFP final rankings, there is no FSU. When will people finally understand that the AP hasn't been a relevant poll since early in the BCS era.
This is what espn needs to do. Well done boys, well done
Turn it into a pro wrestling-like scripted shouting fest?
It's already like pro wrestling, this is a little more realistic than all the garbage on espn
@@drewwilson6639 100%. This is more how normal people argue in friend groups
AP College Football Rankings by NCAA
1 Michigan
2 Washington
3 Texas
4 Florida State
There is NO Bama, sorry!
@@Jacob-seek-Jesus-123but there is..
Yes for those who objected to Pat joining ESPN are mad that he excelled beyond expectations 👏 I love Pat his crew and how they do it.
I’m glad ESPN has let them keep their creative talent! Hopefully, that continues!
He earned that contract with that epic troll job of Georgia on Saturday alone. 😂
I think you are missing the point. Pat and his crew are very talented. People were afraid ESPN changed their style. People didn;t like ESPN because they have gotten worse over the years. As for SAS, he is the epitome of double standards. His remarks about Asian and apologize (so fake and his last comment "I still stand by what I said"- if it was a white person, he/she would have been fired.
I don’t think anybody thought he wouldn’t do well people were concerned that ESPN would make him change how he ran his show.
Pat and his crew are great
This was gold!
" That's ESPN bias right there" had me crying.
I love how Pat is sitting there totally instigating both sides. But I with Greeny on this one.
Lol, this comment didn't age well. The committee was right
@@kevinj12345 None of FSUs players played that game everyone opted out for the draft
@Wiggleswurth GA had 20 players opt out. UGA's back ups ran wild on FSU too. If everyone started UGA still wins by 28+
Pat sitting there in the middle reacting to every sentence is pretty funny. 🤣
Pat was egging them on and he should do it more, it was great 😂
Buddy just there instigating 😂😂
Ok this mornings Pat Segment was straight Fire !! Stephen A and Greenie w the PMS crew was great
I’m guessing the 78 Marvel movie that comes out this year you pre ordered tickets too smh
@@mikestrong3910 don’t waste money at the movies just buy the blu ray I want .
Even though I’m pissed about FSU and the whole voting fiasco, listening to these 3 brought such a smile to my face
This was wonderful. My God this was the crossover of the century😂😂😂😂😂
I believe this is the best "segment" I've ever seen in years! I love the 3 big dawgs sharing their respectful pro opinions. Well done Pat for staying a live wire ;)
ESPN should host an “ESPN All Stars” segment like this!!!! It was fire
Finally real sport debates going on, and none scripted.
So much better when it is genuine like this.
Stephen A so cool the way he walked off like that😂😂
Well done ESPN. Now, send in Rex, DO and Shannon and watch how beautiful that chemistry will unfold
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Throw out Dan, put in Ryan Clark
Agree with Greeny. To let the playoff system be determined by subjectivity is nuts. 🤦♂️
Don’t get mad now when it was mad by computers yall cried about that
@@Bama-SportsGuy doesn’t have to be computers. There can be some sort of definitive tie breaker system (just like the NFL having a tie breaker system for teams with the same records).
@@Bama-SportsGuy yep, everyone had a problem with 2 SEC teams in the natty with BCS. We move to 4 teams, add in the human element and everyone is still mad SEC is in because they look better than FSU without starting qb. Now, we'll go to a 12 team field and everyone will be screaming because the SEC will have multiple teams in every year and likely win it a majority of the time.
College football been like this for decades.
@@Bama-SportsGuyand its WORSE
This is the best 10 mins on ESPN in the last 5 years.
1) Alabama can win on a hail Mary against a 6-6 Auburn and not be penalized for not being dominant but Florida State can win against a number #14 Louisville with a 3rd string quarterback and be penalized for it?
2) The Acc had a winning record against the SEC this year 6-4
3) The argument Alabama getting in off of reputation is trash. If we are awarding playoff spots off of reputation there is no point in playing the season.
Florida State was robbed.
Overtime with a shitty Clemson team? Should have lost to a terrible BC team? Goes both ways idiot
Recency bias plays a big role in these… but I still think they got it right with Bama getting in. Beating #1 Georgia and having a much better SOS trumps FSU’s resume. Just depends how you look at it 🤷♂️.
Just say you don’t understand rivalry games
@@coryjohnson2486 they 100% got it right. FSU won’t even beat GA with JT
@@codyl4961you 100% got it wrong.
Honestly, I love Greeny's take on this. I understand why Bama is in, but I'm not ready to rule out FSU from making a game plan to take out Michigan. They'd have a month to figure out how to best prepare their 2nd string QB.
Especially considering how Michigan chokes in these games.
Yeah we know how Michigan prepares.
Michigan would have LOVED to get to play FSU over Bama. The truth is that TCU got lucky last year, and then Georgia exposed them. FSU has even less of a chance than that TCU team did BECAUSE of the Travis injury. You don’t beat elite teams when your best play is in wildcat formation.
fsu with their backup QB isn’t better then any top 10 team the playoffs are the 4 best teams. If fsu was at 4 michigan would be so happy but it’s bama and idk if u seen michigans reaction but they do not wanna play alabama cuz they know its more challenging.
@benmarquess1508 I think where this is getting lost in translation is that FSU can get a lot better over the next 4 weeks compared to what they were against Florida. This is mainly due to getting the #2 QB acclimated better, but it also gives time for FSU to create a stronger offensive attack in general. Is it enough to beat Michigan? I don't know, but I am not ruling it out.
Pat is the greatest thing to happen to espn in a long time
I TOTALLY AGREE!! He is real and awesome
He is an unwatchable person on tv. Literally there to be an idiot
This is the only thing that's helping the Disney company stay afloat from everything else bad they do recently
@@RockyMtn5280 can you elaborate? Disney currently owns FOX, Marvel, ESPN, ABC, etc… what exactly are they doing “bad”
3 headed monsters for the company
This is one of the most epic moments in recent ESPN history! Pat is a legend!!!
McAfee playing both sides is so funny😂😂😂😂😂
This was far more entertaining than it had any business being 😂😂😂😂
We need this all time was an very intellectual debate I ever heard on espn.
ESPN assembling their Avengers, still blows my mind Pat is on ESPN
Bc he's a sellout
@@pnut3844able- Yet, you’re here.
@@pnut3844ableman sftu
This was fantastic. They should roll unscripted like this all the time.
That's exactly what Pat does
3:45….. I have never seen a single moment embody what these 3 men are about better than this!
Stephen A talking very loud and animated
Greeny nodding his head sarcastically
And Pat just happy to be there barking into the mic!😂😂😂
THAT IS TRUE SEC BIAS. WITH THE HELP OF ESPN. THEY PUSHED FOR ALL OF THIS. NEXT YEAR I HOPE IT WILL BE DIFFERENT. NO SEC BIAS!
Pat McAfee and Shannon Sharpe are both breaths of fresh air for ESPN. I seriously have not consumed this much ESPN content EVER! You can also see how revitalized other journalists are with their additions. I don't think I've ever seen Stephen A. Smith with this much juice and moxy. You can tell how much fun he is having now.
They needed them both ESPN has been getting stale for a while now.
From the jump and get go Even as a Buckeye fan like I am, this is def the Alabama and Clemson invitational over an actual Playoff games. So sick and unfair.
Why is it unfair?? I’m a Buckeye fan too (and don’t like Alabama), but beating #1 Georgia in the championship game and having a much better strength of schedule trumps FSU’s record and conference championship.
@@coryjohnson2486 FSU is us from 9 yrs ago. We didnt get penalized for injuries and neither should this team. Being a Champion matters. They awarded Texas for the name and brand on the move along with Sabans commercials.
You do understand Clemson and Alabama haven’t made the playoffs every single year right??
Your issue is with the system. The committee's job is stated to be to pick the four best teams. The problem is the system and this is the last year of said system. This stuff happens It's happened to the SEC before look at Auburn in the BCS era 2004.
@@stavrosanenoglou1274 the difference is we beat Wisconsin by 59. They struggled against Louisville and did NOT look like a top 4 team.
I hate how people just dismiss the fact TCU beat Michigan. It's probably the most disingenuous part of the debate.
The BCS was a much better system than the CFP. The BCS computers took subjectivity out of the equation.
What drugs are you on bro?! Lol
The FSU bath salts is what he’s on
Nothing drastically changed between BCS and CFP. They just added two more teams. They easily could’ve done 4 teams with BCS rankings.
@@codyl4961 that Flakka be hitting’ lol!
@@wbhuyan think the weird chop thing is destroying their braincells
Pat and the crew making ESPN likable again. Having these dudes on in this informal setting really made this debate feel more like just dudes at home arguing in the couch
This was awesome. Imma need the three of them crossing over more regularly
This is unbelievably awesome and hilarious!!!! 😂
This is the best thing ESPN has done in years. An informal unscripted debate with McAfee instigating Greeney and Stephan A is must see TV.
The ESPN cinematic universe has led to this moment
Need way more of this. Loved it
This trio is legendary
Greeny is right...sort of. Strength of record should be one of the key factors in getting in the CFP. However, your strength of record (Washington 1 - Michigan 2 - FSU 3 - Bama 4) HAS to be weighed against your strength of schedule (Washington 9 - Michigan 35 - FSU 55 - Bama 5). To find a weaker schedule than FSU in the final CFP top 25 you have to go all the way down to 23 with Liberty, and that bar doesn't get any lower than Liberty.
If FSU had played a top 10 strength of schedule (Indiana, Rutgers, Michigan State, Florida, Alabama, Ole Miss, Ohio State, Arkansas, Washington, LSU), they wouldn't be unbeaten and this conversation wouldn't be happening. Much like Michigan, FSU plays in a weak conference, but so does every other team that doesn't play in the SEC (given that the Pac12 is no longer a thing).
Why are the top three strength of schedule teams Big Ten then? Because all three played Ohio State, Penn State and Michigan. They all lost every one of those games. The Big Ten, Big XII and ACC are weak. The Pac12 is gone. The SEC does and will continue to dominate college football for decades to come. The Michigan reaction to the announcement of Alabama at four tells you all you need to know. They thought they were getting the easy beatdown in FSU. They know they can't beat Bama.
😂😂 That Bama announcement took the air out of that room! It’s like they lost their will to participate in the playoffs!
It's no way Bama could get in before Texas
Sports talk is LOVING this. Content GOLD!!!
Let them play. They earned it. A committee shouldn't say they can't win....they haven't been given the chance they earned.
The fact he called out the security guard is cool. Some celebrities overlook the little people that keep them safe.
You can't fault a team for how you think they would perform in the playoff and just overlook their record.
Yeah you can. And they did.
FSU isn't Notre Dame
lol
@@loganhowlett01
Love the new ESPN crew! They’re finally entertaining again
it didn't factor in for Ohio st in 2016
Stephen A needs to stop talking college sports.
Umm so tcu didn't beat Michigan first?
As a Michigan fan this is the point of how stupid the committee is. TCU LOST to k-state still put them in and beat us fair and square
The Greeny Pat Stephen A show! Love it
I like how greeny said covid and pat just slowly inched over bit by bit
When pat said “ all this is kinda y’all’s faults” I died 🤣🤣
FSU deserved to be in. The fact their not completely undermined the entire CFP and everything about it. Robbed those kids of a playoff appearance.
They beat every person in front of them, WITHOUT THEIR STARTING QB.
It was not impressive at all lmao as well they had a chance to pull an Ohio State when Cardell came in but they scrapped by. But I understand the anger and stuff.
you sir are an idiot
Best sports show/clip I’ve seen in years!
5 conferences with only 4 spots. System was always designed to leave a 13-0 team out. Enough with the complaining. FSU would have been out regardless even if Georgia won. In that scenario it woulda been 1. Georgia. 2. Michigan. 3. Washington. 4. Texas
Dude, just shut up lmao
Yup FSU had no chance.
How was it "designed" to leave an undefeated team out when this year is the first time it's happened?
At least second. The committee has a thing about excluding undefeated Florida teams from the playoffs
@@primemover1416 there are 5 power conferences with only 4 playoff spots do the math dude.
Notice how everything flows when it's just the fellas 👏👏👏👏👏👏
Florida State hasn’t lost a game since October 15th of last year. 19 straight games. 4 wins vs the SEC.
They play in a bottom tier ACC. Who cares
@@CYB3ROP7iX The ACC in the past decade has won more national championships than every conference COMBINED(minus the SEC, but that includes the Big 10, the Big 12, the Pac 12, etc..)
@@stefanoliveira8718 And yet now they suck. And yeah, bc of Clemson lmao. FSU was carried by Winston one year. Congrats? What's your point.
I don’t understand the TCU argument. Everybody fails to remember that they beat Michigan to get to the national championship game.
I think they should’ve done a 6 team playoffs all along. 4 is too little and 12 teams I feel like is too many teams but I guess we’ll see how it plays out next season.
12 makes it undeniable
@@MrJayKay11 sure but there’s always going to be a team or two that feels like they got left out. Even with 12 teams, the 13th and 14th team is going to be like they should’ve been in. The BCS system use to be 2 teams so with 6 it’s more than enough.
@@MrJayKay11
There will still be the crybabies.
I love this!! I need this every day
Stephen A. spot on when it comes to the "juice." A lot of the "secondary" bowls were probably foaming at the mouth early in the season at the chance to have Colorado in their bowl game, just for the recognition and TV ratings.
Strength of schedule matters more than strength of record. FSU’s qb being hurt plus that last awful ACC CHAMPIONSHIP game vs Louisville, punt after punt after punt. Alabama definitely deserved the spot after beating the No. 1 ranked team in the country
so what your saying is defensive wins are worth nothing it's all about high scoring offense...ok i got it
@@KingBeef21 ok let’s see if this ‘defense’ wins against Georgia
It's just about the money that's why the sec team is in rigged 😊
@@TyM07im coming back to this and see what he has to say after FSU gets exposed TCU style.
If Jordan Travis being injured was the key factor in this situation then why not vote them out the top 5 after he was hurt
What y’all are missing is that CFP top 4 isn’t just power rankings or just standings. It’s a great combination of who DESERVES to be there and who NEEDS to be there. If we go completely off deserving, the top four are Michigan, Washington, FSU, and Liberty (which is bs). If we’re going off power rankings, it’s something in the realm of Georgia, Michigan, Ohio State, and Alabama (which is also bs). The CFP committee did a great job of blending these two systems together to give us a playoff that’s at the same time viable but also well-earned, as all four teams are power 5 conference champs.
The committee and computer thing has and will always be stupid. We’ve never had a playoff system. We’ve only had a pick’em tournament. We should have an actual playoff system that nobody picks whom goes. It should be a win your way in and no one picks who goes. These discussions are a waste of time cause they don’t want to have a correct system.
Thank yew ESPN !!!!
The committee got it right and wrong at the same time. Not including FSU was the right decision. It’s not just about your record, it’s about having the best teams in the top-4. As constructed right now FSU is not one of those teams for numerous reasons. We can point to the fact that the ACC is garbage this year for starters. Going undefeated in a crap conference and your Heisman-hopeful QB goes down? A 16-6 win where you can’t move the ball against Louisville told the committee and the people that pay attention all we needed to know.
Where they got it wrong is leaving Georgia out in my opinion. I don’t know how UT beating OkSt vaults them 4-spots. OkSt lost to S. Alabama and UCF by a combined score of 88-10 this year. Georgia’s resume is better than UT’s: tougher conference, better loss.
I needed this
"my subjective opinion is better than the committee's subjective decision!"
- the summary of everyone whining about who was left out and who got in (which happens EVERY SINGLE YEAR NO MATTER WHAT incase you guys haven't noticed lol)
It should all be objective stats that determine it. These aren't playoffs, they're invitationals
@@pnut3844able ok use nothing but "objective stats" like the BCS computers did...... nobody ever complained about that or called teams who got left out "unfair", never any controversy or outrage over those rankings huh LOL
how do you not understand that no matter what they do, no matter what teams get in, no matter who gets left out, no matter how expanded the playoffs get...... PEOPLE WILL STILL JUST WHINE AND COMPLAIN ABOUT IT
Thank you Greeny. Texas should be out.
I think they got it RIGHT by putting Alabama over FSU. Beating #1 Georgia is MASSIVE, and FSU is too weak to be in the top 4. Even with an undefeated record and conference championship, Alabama deserves to get in over FSU… and I can’t stand Bama.
I could see an argument either way tho.. that’s just my opinion.
Then why is FSU above UGA? Also Texas lost to #14 OK and got in, and FSU beats #14 UL and gets left out? Smh
@@pnut3844able yeah that’s not a bad argument, but I think they’re leaning harder on how Bama and FSU look RIGHT NOW. FSU’s QB going down could have been the “tiebreaker” in making the decision (even if u don’t believe that should factor in).
This is why we need AT LEAST 8 teams in the playoffs each season. 4 spots just isn’t enough.
This was fun. Debating, not arguing, and good points. More!
Michigan vs Washington is the matchup the country wants to see
I'm washington will get pasted like every other Pac 12 team since USC 🤣🤣
No it’s not lol 😂
@@NicholasHughes-fh8ig Then what is it?
@@Ostro1980 I haven’t heard one person say or mention “ I want to watch the Washington huskies “ I get Michigan tho
I see a lot more people saying Texas vs Alabama. You don’t think the Committee set this up for a rematch? 🤨 that’s going to be more of a watched game across the country.
Sooo... Uh.... This is EXCELLENT television. 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾 Thoroughly entertained.
How did Alabama look vs Auburn? Or USF?
How’d they look against Georgia?
@@sinon.9394 How'd Georgia look against Georgia Tech....since the Sec is so much better than ACC
Or USF
how’d fsu look against boston college or a bad florida team starting a true freshman who’s never thrown more than 5 passes in a game 😹😹😹
Georgia was on a 20+ game winning streak and Alabama beat them like let’s be real here also if FSU is so good are they going to beat Georgia when they play or is that going to be a beat down?
Great show!
As a lifelong Alabama fan let me apologize to the college football world for what happened this weekend. We are so sorry that we beat the #1 two times defending national champion. How dare us? I also want to apologize for having a 50 point higher strength of schedule ranking. How dare we. And the fact that we have a healthy starting quarterback is of course unforgivable. We also are responsible for the Florida State offense in the ACC championship game. What in the world were we thinking about subjecting the world to that? We are bad fans for that behavior. So forgive us Florida State. We have learned our lesson and will never do it again.
Good stuff 😂😂😂 ROLL TIDE
@@scottturner1504If you’re like me you are tired of arguing blue in the face for Alabama’s success. And Roll Tide for life.
@@ronaldwilson9525 this is more about the hate for bama than it is an argument for FSU, they know what bama is about to do lmao and ROLL TIDE FOR LIFE BROTHER
Don’t we both know it. I’ve got no problem with Florida State. They did get a bad break but it’s not our fault and we have nothing to be ashamed of for doing what we needed to do. We are made to look like villains just because we won. Roll Tide and stick together like kin brother!
As a Texas fan thanks for beating Georgia, don't think we get in if you lose that game.
Yo. This was entertaining AF 🤣
Best thing I've seen on espn in a minute
Refreshing content. Back to basics.
Dude says “watch the glass windows” 😂
Computers don't just watch every game, they watch every play and some even watch individual players. no human is capable of that.
I love Pat the hypeman!!!!
The best venting i have seen LOL
Absolutely hilarious; great bit, gentlemen!
Best segment ive ever seen on espn.
Pat is cracking me up. I love this mess.
Im on Greeny’s side to be clear.
Love this 😂🎉🎉 SAS Greeny n Pat.
Would have loved to see Pat Mc going full Al Pacino,” You’re out of order! You’re out of order, This whole court is out of order!”
Everyone keeps saying "worried" about TCU. Are we all just ignoring the fact that TCU won their National Semifinal against Michigan before going up against UGA? That is the WEAKEST POSSIBLE argument. No team this year is anywhere close to what UGA was last year. All these excuses need to be MANUFACTURED to explain FSU being left out. If they left Alabama out they had the easiest reason possible, you lost a game. If you want to get in, in a year where we have 4 undefeated Power 5 Conference Champions, you have to be undefeated as well. If Bama was 13-0 I would have absolutely no problem with FSU being left out because it is all equal, then you get to missing personnel, the eye test, etc.. to make the decision. But when you have 4 Undefeated P5 Conference Champs and one with a loss, it's the easiest decision ever. My biggest gripe is that the committee set a precedent over the previous 9 seasons of the CFP (I'm not even talking about OSU with their 3rd string QB), and then decided to flip on those precedents when it suited them. I am not going to argue fair or unfair but I will say it is unreasonable to have all the teams that compete for the CFP understand what is needed to reach the Top 4 and then to all of a sudden change that. Just imagine it was Alabama in this spot being undefeated but losing their QB really late in the season and then getting jumped by a one-loss conference champ from the ACC. I think they would have to put the committee in the witness protection program. But, because it's FSU, because it's the ACC we are just supposed to roll over and accept this it how it is.
Alabama is being scapegoated. I actually think Alabama’s win was more impressive than Texas’ win. I had Alabama at 3 and Texas at 4.
This is why pat is the best
Stephen A was absolutely SPITTING here. Cry about it
This was like a multiverse episode of the ESPNCU.
I loved this segment!
This is Auburn's fault for rushing 2 guys on the last play of the game, ending in the Milroe Miracle!
Since they were doing unprecedented stuff and the 12-team playoff is coming next year, just do a play-in for the 3rd and 4th spot and let the teams play for it. FSU vs Alabama and Georgia vs Texas. Winners are in and ranked based on their current rankings.
The South Park reference at the end 😂