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If you would stop making clickbait titles and thumbnails, thus becoming part of the TH-cam crabs yourself, I would actually consider becoming a Patreon member. But as long as you are putting videos out with titles like "Why Did It Take Us So Long?" that don't tell us ANYTHING about the video itself (not even in combination with the thumbnail), I'm definitely not supporting this - no matter how good your content is. Be better than the rest! Be that special crustacean that survives without adapting to the masses.
20 minutes is about the threshold between "Okay that I can squeeze in and watch right now" and "That is too long, I'll watch that later when I have the time (but forget)"
I put the long videos that I want to watch that I can't watch at the moment in my watch later list. They are perfect for watching during lunch or dinner.
2:43 it's kinda funny how knowledge of hbomberguy has basically just become a standard part of youtube culture to the point that random unrelated creators make reference to him
@@slyar he's the youtuber who is being referenced at that timestamp. onscreen, it shows a 1hr57m long youtube video titled "MINECRAFT_OOF.mp3" and the video essayist hbomberguy has a 1hr57m youtube video titled "ROBLOX_OOF.mp3" (which is about video game composer and compulsive liar Tommy Tallarico)
I like the idea presented in Blue Ocean Strategy. Instead of trying to compete (Red Ocean), you go where there is less competition (Blue Ocean). I like educational channels that employ this Blue Ocean Strategy, by providing truth content, instead of sugary clickbait.
Winning formula for TH-cam is to give your viewers the thing they want to see. Being a TH-camr is business, and in every business niche we see multiple brands offering same product to the people. It's just some do it better than others. It's practically the same with TH-cam. I would say that the most difficult part is starting and growing your channel, but patience and hard work (with a little bit of Famester to help) will always pay off eventually.
Not always. Plenty of people work hard, patiently, and don't hit "success", because it's simply not how the system works. You just don't hear about these countless examples because they don't end up with a platform to tell you about it. This goes both for youtube and the rest of life.
"patience and hard work will always pay off eventually" lol that's not how the world works, we don't actually live in a meritocracy nor does TH-cam work like that Counterpoint number one: See for example, just stealing other people's work (that took a lot of time) to roll out as many videos as possible, and then becoming popular because of that... HBomb has shown a few examples of that... Well, I guess it really IS like most businesses! Be a sneaky bastard as much as possible!
Is _skibidi toilet_ italicized for emphasis or because it's the title of a show? Because I'm trying to decide how I feel about the implications of the second option
The infuriating battle against obnoxious bullshit will never end because people are obnoxious fucking morons who are too easily baited into shit. That's why its only ever gotten worse. Similar unwinnable battle is microtransactions. Fucking hate it all.
@@rantingrodent416Nope, but you can blame the creators who keep crying about the algorithm forgetting that the algorithm is supposed to be curating content for you. Said viewer. And who exactly did you think he was referring to? Because it wasn't the TH-cam creators. They're not the ones clicking on the click bait, they're the ones creating the clickbait. And even then brought to my attention by a Halo creator of all people, and realizing it from personal experience, not only is inherently bad. The problem is when the creators just straight-up lying to you to get your attention and get you to click. Then be one of those fools that leaves a negative comments were just like not realizing that still helps the video. We're back in the day when people will support bad you tutorials by saying stupid shit like it works, the dislike button works. Remember those days? You may not think honest clickbait is not such a thing, and you know what I would love to prove you wrong. But maybe I'll just go back and get the link to that video from that one Halo creator that explains it himself. Literally a whole video dedicated to explaining why stuff like honestly is a thing and why it works. If you're interested that is. I personally think it's an interesting to watch and would definitely open your eyes to how you consume the platform and just go about using it. Or just in general to open your eyes so you can be more self-aware when you're using this platform at all. I won't say that TH-cam never does have garbage recommendations, because it does. Sometimes it'll recommend me shit that I never want and frankly I don't know why it keeps shoving it in my face whether it's in recommendations or in search results. I don't give a fuck about corporate news channels TH-cam come and get you keep recommending me the bullshit. but that doesn't mean that my feet doesn't still contain stuff related to what I've watched. And I can't complain that some of that stuff ends up in my feed all because I believe watched a few videos related to that content. I think one example would be red pillars and the manosphere. I've watched red pill content and aunti red pill content just to get an idea of what both sides are saying. Which depending on who you watch is a lot of Griffin or they're all repeating the same shit like they're all reading off the same script. I'm not even freaking joking. You're going to find a lot of drifters, but every now and then you're going to find somebody who's just genuinely trying to point men in the right direction. And the same thing with empty red pill content. A lot of left is, and some people who want to come back all the bullshit by red pill grifters. Remind you I only looked into this content because I wanted to know what the husk and fuss was about and to really get a perspective from both sides. Whether or not I actually had any interest in their ideology or what they have to sell to me is irrelevant to whether or not the algorithm is going to continue to recommend me that content. I was only interested to understand both sides and why both sides hated each other. which is funny because for the good ones that are genuinely trying to point men in the right direction, they're literally saying the same shit like they're reading off of the same script. Red pill content creators will say work on yourself, workout for a better health, try to focus on getting a good job etc etc, the anti red pill content creators will literally say the exact same shit that you wonder why they're against each other. But after that quick bit of research I was no longer interested. But you must believe now the algorithm won't start recommending me that content just because I watched a few videos to get a perspective. And as annoying as it is to see this shit start to curl my feet, I can't deny the fact that I'm partially to blame because I took the time to watch that content. Even if the algorithm itself doesn't understand why I took the time to watch that content. It just knows that number one, I did watch it and number two, I did engage with it. And whether that engagement was negative or positive doesn't matter. I know you probably already understand this, and I really don't need to explain a lot of this to you. But so many people nowadays still act like it's freaking rocket science. I probably don't have to tell you that not a negative and positive engagement is still engaged for the algorithm. It's food for the algorithm and the algorithm eats that shit up like it's a buffet. For all I know I'm telling you knowledge that is so freaking blatantly obvious to you that I'm just slapping you with common sense you already have. But for a lot of people this doesn't come twice into their brain. And there are a lot of idiots out there that thing, well I left a negative comments there's no reason for the algorithm to keep recommending me in this comments. The algorithm doesn't give a fuck if you left a negative comments, it just knows that you left a comment. It doesn't even understand the difference between negativity and positivity.algorithms just cannot understand context of any sort. Whether it be literal, emotional, or otherwise. Yet again, as stated before people act like this is rocket science. They bitch, whine, and complain about the content in their feed when they're the ones who keep engaging with it. Literally all we had to do for the garbage on TH-cam to die off is nothing. Literally all we have to do to that content is nothing. And whenever I tell people this I always tell them to look at my own channel. Cuz I'm personally doing my own content. And to anybody else reading this comment by all means I mean it. Check out my channel. Look at my views, look at my numbers. You want this garbage content to die? All you have to do for it to die is nothing. Look at how dead my channel is. Even for the 130 plus subscribers that I have? I don't even remember the total number cuz I stopped giving a shit, my channel is dead. D*E*A*D *DEAD* At this point if zombie channels were a thing, my channel would be it. A Channel with content, and a channel that continues to upload contents, with subscribers, that does continue to gain subscribers, but nobody is there. Dead. Silent. Not a single goddamn comment in site positive or negative. My channel is so dead that even for the subscribers I have they don't even receive notifications to my videos. I have a second Channel that I subscribe to my main Channel with just to make sure I get notifications at all, and vice versa, and for my second no commentary gameplay channel, I get every notification. For my primary Channel which is this account, I don't get a single goddamn one. My channel is so dead that subscribers don't even receive notifications anymore. They probably forgot they ever subscribed to me. Which I don't blame them this is not uncommon on youtube. They probably would be more likely to get notifications of me uploading from just clicking on a video and not watching it rather than actually it's being subscribed. Because the algorithm will at least try to show it to people again cuz you did at least click on it even if by accident. Other than that, it doesn't go from there. Nothing. Radio silence. If people actually wanted these Mr.beast clone channels poor content farms don't make videos on it, don't react to them, don't watch them, don't leave a single like or dislike, don't leave positive or negative engagement whatsoever. Literally. Do. *NOTHING.* Turn them into zombie channels like mine to eventually rot, give up, then die. And they'll slowly dissipate like a fart in the wind.
There used to be a time when I could keep up with all the channels I'm subscribed to. But now that so many of them are releasing longer and longer videos, they just end up piling on my to-watch list and will probably never get watched. The 5-minute or less videos on the other hand have a pretty high chance that I'll watch them as soon as I notice they're released. I hope you guys stick with this short format. Brevity used to be a virtue among many science communicators, now there are only a few of you left that respect our time.
I don't think it's necessarily fair to frame the long form videos as disrespectful towards people's time - a lot of the creators who make them discuss how easily these videos blow out in length because at a certain point you can't simplify facts down further and many of them represent distillations of a lot of in depth information about a field. It's perfectly ok to not want a deep dive into a random ultra niche thing but that's a matter of personal taste, not the creator being somehow disrespectful.
@@AdeleiTeillanaI generally like the long videos more since they get made much rarer. I get plenty of daily videos between 10 and 25 minutes, but when one of my favourite creators make an hour long video, then that is simply Christmas come early. (Apt since many of them only make a couple of videos a year at most.)
@@bosstowndynamics5488 Exactly. Not every topic can be boiled down to 5-10 minutes. And many shouldn't be since the oversimplification often end up doing more harm than good by spreading misinformation. Especially when talking about nuanced topics like science and social issues. Honestly, outside of MinutePhysics and SciShow, I'm hard pressed to name any short-form (10m or less) PopSci channel that actually presents its topics with any level of quality beyond your basic listicle. Not that there's anything wrong with your basic five minute top ten listicle video, but it's understandable that creators want to do more than churn out surface level fluff for their entire creative output and want to get deeper into their work eventually. I just wish the algorithm didn't punish creators so hard whenever they get to that point.
@@sakshamgupta5022 I find the whole thing amusing, since my diet is a mix of 5-10 min videos mostly news by a person who posts 4 times a day, hour and above long essays on basically anything at this point, 40 ish min show reaction videos and similar length game play videos. so the 20 min videos are kinda the minority.
@@willowarkan2263 I think above 20 mins you can't really tune into new channels, you have to be a dedicated viewer or something you were looking for. That is why most videos are converging to 20 mins because it's max juice with newer audience.
@@sakshamgupta5022 I suppose, but then my algorithmic feed is so primed for long form content that a good chunk of my recommendations are like that. i wouldn't be shocked if 40% of my subscriptions are for channels that make at least sometimes long form content, mainly video essays. In essence youtube knows what topics are liable to interest me and recommends essays on those topics and other times i look for say a media property and will watch essays that interest me and that way find new channels to subscribe to. Basically I live in the video essayist corner of youtube and the algorithm knows it.
In other words, the algorithm enforces certain appeal factors/characteristics based on what gets views. In turn, some creators pivot towards those styles in the hopes of becoming more successful.
I actually really like the message of this video. I thought it was going to be saying “they HAVE to do A because algorithm and you!” But I’m glad you’re suggesting creativity. I dislike how the blame is sometimes put on the viewer. It’s all three factors that are to blame.
Is this just me? One of the things I love about MinuteEarth/Food/Physics videos is the sweet and easily digestible 5-8 minute length. Thanks for resisting the algorithm to fill this ecological niche!
I taught TH-cam to not recommend me clickbait videos for many years. Now it suggests me either what I already saw, or clickbait anyway or some awful garbage. Where are billions of useful videos of this platform? Such behaviour looks like sabotage.
If I could modify the algorithm I’d put a sort of peak suppression mechanism in it, such that if by certain measures a video has a lot of similar features to other videos (duration, colors, style, sound etc) it reduces its spread a little. Such a modification ought to intrinsically encourage much more diversity in content styles.
Gladwell and Price’s laws are heavily tied into this. It’s always just a few with the best ideas. And it’s always 10% of the top that create the majority of anything particular. It’s the basis for capitalism, evolution, art and many other things.
Hardly, the algorithm pleasing aspects of video creation are far more ingrained and woven in than anything a brute force system like SponsorBlock could hope to fix (and that's not even what it's for, it's for blocking sponsors, which are inserted into videos for paid sponsorships, not to please the algorithm).
You'll know what it is when you open up the youtube homepage in a private window. All those horribly over the top "shocked" faces pasted over a colourful background with BIG BOLD TEXT!?!?!?! beside their faces. Basically every zoomer channel on youtube
I love SciShow but they release so frequently I can’t watch them all. I think the frequency is diluting their views counterintuitively. I watch the Minute channels because they are shorter. Veritasium is longer but they release less frequently so I watch them all.
The most bothersome thing about the algorithm convergence to me is that 20 minutes is usually too long because I only have 4-10 minutes... and I don't like watching in pieces, so I usually end up scrolling and not watching anything until I run out of time!
Single episodes of cartoon shows used to be 20 mins long, now they are 2 × 11 mins, minus intro and outro. I wonder if YT videos start to develop into that direction. I mean, Let's Plays also used to be ~30 mins per part, while many mainstream gaming TH-camrs nowadays trim each part down to ususally 10 to 20 min highlight videos from a recording or streaming session. And let's not forget how ads and TH-cam videos evolved over time. Up until a few years ago, you had a maximum of two ads playing per 20 min video. Now, it's at least doubled, and there are far less ads you are able to skip. It's as bad as, if not worse than, TV. I don't want to say YT is developing the very same as TV does, I'm just trying to say that there are some parallels.
I really enjoy long deep dives, but as I get older I have less and less free time, and more importantly the free time I do have is in shorter segments. So anything over 20 minutes is usually a sad "Oh man this looks good but I'll never get time to watch it"
The difference between 20min and long videos are like watching a show versus a movie to me. You can often watch an episode at a time like meals, before sleeping or any "I have a little free time but not much". For a movie, you have to wait for a long period of free time and/or decide precisely when to watch it. Or to cut it in parts, but most people prefer not to do that.
That depends on how much dedicated attention you're giving to the content.. I've begun treating TH-cam more like a podcast app than a viewing platform since personally, I love long form content (or long Playlists) for background noise as I'm doing other things or for going to sleep so that I can gather the information passively. The good thing about that is that I can do this for a given video multiple times since I'll almost always catch something I wasn't paying attention to the first time. Then I save my active viewing time for content with strong visual elements that I can just pick up passively.
Proof that humans are becoming crabs: -we have claw-like feet on our arms for squeezing stuff and attracting mates -our tails have tucked inside our body -we can scuttle from side to side (which I don’t think I’ve seen other mammals do)
Rarer these days. It's even happening to intellectual channels who defend it by saying "we want to educate more people and this reaches more people!" @veritasium even made a video defending their clickbait thumbnails and @smartereveryday almost universally does "pointing, making face, curved arrow" thumbnails now. Gotta appeal to idiots and babies. Just right click, hide video, and move on. Stick with videos that respect their viewers.
To summarize it: It's what the algorithm wants. TH-camrs are in this set of circumstances where the algorithm wants long videos and more click-through rate, but at the same time very few people will click on your videos, because people's brains have rot so much to the point where they only want these videos of guys talking very loudly to the camera, over-the-top video editing, doing dumb challenges, videos about satisfying things, try not to laugh challenge, 24 hour challenge and the same clichéd stuff, *because that is what the algorithm and the new generation of kids want!*
Another somewhat recent TH-cam trend is to get meta-TH-cam. Every TH-camr worth its salt must make a video about TH-cam. About quitting TH-cam, about feeding the algorithm, about title, thumbnail and length…
I remember when youtube favored 10+ minute videos so much that virtually everyone switched to making 10 minute long videos, thankfully that time is over
This has got to be the weirdest MinuteEarth video I've ever seen. When it started out with crabs, l almost thought I was watching a parody. But then it got to the point. This process of convergence reminds of Top 40 radio for some reason. Songwriters trying to make their song sound like the latest hits and trends on the radio. But there were any number of songs that became hits because they were different from what everybody else was doing. So this video convergence provides opportunities for TH-camrs as well, even if it's harder to predict.
I said this a hundred times, and I shall say it again. The term "TH-cam" is like the term "Book" (broader term for a bunch of paper-pages bonded together). This can be anything from Alice in Wonderland till the Quran, from Playboy magazine to 'a brief history of time'. "I watch YT" is as vague and meaningless as "I read books". It is equally stupid for publishers to insist (or authors to comply) that all books should have the length and thickness of Reader'sDigest. I am in the 95th percentile in terms of YT-watch time, yet I have never watched MisterBeast. Only 2% of my watched videos are from YT-recommendations. The rest are from 'subscriptions'. How do I find new channels to subscribe to? Word of mouth - from my friends, to my subscribees. I am not swayed by thumbs or recommendations, though I find it a shitty move by YT to have removed the thumbs-down counter. Just as often as i subscribe, I do also unsubscribe; I have unsubscribed from many a "crabs". Dear YT creator, Dear YT algorithm, you do you. I reserve the right to f*ck off.
The algorithm can recommend videos but can't force you to click on them, and one of the things the algorithm likes is click through rate, so people are clearly clicking on these thumbnails.
The more varieties of subjects of videos you watch, the more you can find that not everyone does this. I watch a lot of animal and transport videos, which aren't average. I have noticed a lot of channels do extra short videos, as well as their normal content. I love brown crab meat. 😋😁❤️
Not everyone does this, but if you ever dare to venture into the horror of TH-cam's default home page when logged out in a fresh browser session you'll quickly learn that the majority of TH-cam does. You've personally selected against that though because the genres you're interested in don't lend themselves as easily to the sort of TH-camrs who are just trying to churn out algorithm content.
@@julianaylor4351 Agreed, I also select for better content, I'm just saying that as a result of that your feed isn't representative of what most of TH-cam is doing.
Solved games face a similar phenomenon. When one strategy is just better, things become samey. Look at how sabermetrics changed baseball, or how the NBA shooting chart has become extreme. Three true outcomes become more prominent due to statistics and mid range jumpers are dying.
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If you would stop making clickbait titles and thumbnails, thus becoming part of the TH-cam crabs yourself, I would actually consider becoming a Patreon member.
But as long as you are putting videos out with titles like "Why Did It Take Us So Long?" that don't tell us ANYTHING about the video itself (not even in combination with the thumbnail), I'm definitely not supporting this - no matter how good your content is.
Be better than the rest! Be that special crustacean that survives without adapting to the masses.
I was also annoyed when you thought you'd get into election campaigning.
I'm not American and don't gif about your extreme politics.
Why do all TH-cam videos end with a t-shirt and random product sale?
20 minutes is about the threshold between "Okay that I can squeeze in and watch right now" and "That is too long, I'll watch that later when I have the time (but forget)"
Also "this is cool but I have to be in the right mood to watch it" and "oh boy more trash I can tab out of while I'm playing videogames"
Watch later graveyard. this account has 5000 watch later@@LimeyLassen
I put the long videos that I want to watch that I can't watch at the moment in my watch later list. They are perfect for watching during lunch or dinner.
have people just, like. completely forgotten that the watch later system exists
Seriously, my watch later is like a hundred videos long by this point.
@@Blue-Maned_Hawk only 100 videos?
ALL SHALL BECOME CRAB
YES
Oh... crab?
@@mr.boomguy CRAB
CRAB CHAIN 👇
@@Phantom_Of_Fandoms CRAB
2:43 it's kinda funny how knowledge of hbomberguy has basically just become a standard part of youtube culture to the point that random unrelated creators make reference to him
I have no idea who that is
Who?
His mother must be quite proud of him for being so well-known.
@@slyar he's the youtuber who is being referenced at that timestamp. onscreen, it shows a 1hr57m long youtube video titled "MINECRAFT_OOF.mp3" and the video essayist hbomberguy has a 1hr57m youtube video titled "ROBLOX_OOF.mp3" (which is about video game composer and compulsive liar Tommy Tallarico)
@slyar he's a comunist that makes video essays.
Some of them are pretty good.
I like the idea presented in Blue Ocean Strategy. Instead of trying to compete (Red Ocean), you go where there is less competition (Blue Ocean). I like educational channels that employ this Blue Ocean Strategy, by providing truth content, instead of sugary clickbait.
Wait, what? The opposite of blue ocean is red? That doesn't make any sense at all, but sure, why not.
@@LibertyMonk
That's what it's called.
@@LibertyMonk The red ocean is red with blood from all of the fighting. The blue ocean has less fighting, and thus remains blue
Sounds like more people should go to where there's less competition, or maybe less predatory algorithms (Nebula).
thing is nebula costs money and supply and demand will tell you that the free option is always going to have more users
I like 20 minute videos because it’s the perfect length for accompanying a meal.
...or while in the toilet.
Too long
@@pmiguelpinto90that’s how you get hemmeroids
You take 20 minutes to eat a meal? Wow…
@@X22GJP is that long or short to you?
Tbh when I started seeing all these Mr beast videos I also thought TH-cam was converging on a load of crab.
I thumbed down two of that clown's videos, and have never seen him recommended since.
Winning formula for TH-cam is to give your viewers the thing they want to see. Being a TH-camr is business, and in every business niche we see multiple brands offering same product to the people. It's just some do it better than others. It's practically the same with TH-cam. I would say that the most difficult part is starting and growing your channel, but patience and hard work (with a little bit of Famester to help) will always pay off eventually.
Not always. Plenty of people work hard, patiently, and don't hit "success", because it's simply not how the system works.
You just don't hear about these countless examples because they don't end up with a platform to tell you about it.
This goes both for youtube and the rest of life.
@@IstasPumaNevada The phenomenon is called "survivor bias" and is the bane of many kinds of statistical studies.
"patience and hard work will always pay off eventually" lol that's not how the world works, we don't actually live in a meritocracy nor does TH-cam work like that
Counterpoint number one: See for example, just stealing other people's work (that took a lot of time) to roll out as many videos as possible, and then becoming popular because of that... HBomb has shown a few examples of that... Well, I guess it really IS like most businesses! Be a sneaky bastard as much as possible!
3:08
Therapist: Mr. Beast Crab isn't real, he can't hurt you.
Mr. Beast Crab:
Can’t evolve tail chainsaws, you say? Just wait a couple million years.
First they have to evolve a 2 stroke tail engine.
@@Merennulli Fun fact: mollusks have a chainsaw-like tongue called a radula.
(Groovy baseline intensifies)
@@adrianblake8876 2nd Fun Fact: We already have rotary motors inside our cells. Also flagella are run by them.
@@ArawnOfAnnwn it works when you are small enough where diffusion is sufficient to support all the nutrients you need
I all my years I would never have guessed the MinuteEarth would reference *both* Hbomberguy and _skibidi toilet_ in the same video
Is _skibidi toilet_ italicized for emphasis or because it's the title of a show? Because I'm trying to decide how I feel about the implications of the second option
@@LincolnDWard for emphasis. In real life I would've wheezed while speaking that part.
Ngl love the metaphor, it's very creative 😂
3:01 Skibiti Toilet in a Minute Earth video
They have achieved rizz
@@MakerManXI don’t want brain rot though
@@RealCCre too bad
@@MakerManX *cries in the corner of the comment section*
@@RealCCrei stand with the anti-sentient toilet movement
Remember, don't click on clickbait. Do your part to help make soulless hacks starve.
The infuriating battle against obnoxious bullshit will never end because people are obnoxious fucking morons who are too easily baited into shit. That's why its only ever gotten worse. Similar unwinnable battle is microtransactions. Fucking hate it all.
The soulless hack is TH-cam's steaming garbage heap of a recommendation algorithm. Can't blame TH-camrs for doing what works.
@@rantingrodent416Nope, but you can blame the creators who keep crying about the algorithm forgetting that the algorithm is supposed to be curating content for you. Said viewer.
And who exactly did you think he was referring to? Because it wasn't the TH-cam creators. They're not the ones clicking on the click bait, they're the ones creating the clickbait.
And even then brought to my attention by a Halo creator of all people, and realizing it from personal experience, not only is inherently bad. The problem is when the creators just straight-up lying to you to get your attention and get you to click. Then be one of those fools that leaves a negative comments were just like not realizing that still helps the video.
We're back in the day when people will support bad you tutorials by saying stupid shit like it works, the dislike button works. Remember those days?
You may not think honest clickbait is not such a thing, and you know what I would love to prove you wrong. But maybe I'll just go back and get the link to that video from that one Halo creator that explains it himself. Literally a whole video dedicated to explaining why stuff like honestly is a thing and why it works.
If you're interested that is. I personally think it's an interesting to watch and would definitely open your eyes to how you consume the platform and just go about using it.
Or just in general to open your eyes so you can be more self-aware when you're using this platform at all. I won't say that TH-cam never does have garbage recommendations, because it does. Sometimes it'll recommend me shit that I never want and frankly I don't know why it keeps shoving it in my face whether it's in recommendations or in search results. I don't give a fuck about corporate news channels TH-cam come and get you keep recommending me the bullshit.
but that doesn't mean that my feet doesn't still contain stuff related to what I've watched. And I can't complain that some of that stuff ends up in my feed all because I believe watched a few videos related to that content.
I think one example would be red pillars and the manosphere. I've watched red pill content and aunti red pill content just to get an idea of what both sides are saying. Which depending on who you watch is a lot of Griffin or they're all repeating the same shit like they're all reading off the same script. I'm not even freaking joking.
You're going to find a lot of drifters, but every now and then you're going to find somebody who's just genuinely trying to point men in the right direction. And the same thing with empty red pill content. A lot of left is, and some people who want to come back all the bullshit by red pill grifters.
Remind you I only looked into this content because I wanted to know what the husk and fuss was about and to really get a perspective from both sides. Whether or not I actually had any interest in their ideology or what they have to sell to me is irrelevant to whether or not the algorithm is going to continue to recommend me that content. I was only interested to understand both sides and why both sides hated each other.
which is funny because for the good ones that are genuinely trying to point men in the right direction, they're literally saying the same shit like they're reading off of the same script. Red pill content creators will say work on yourself, workout for a better health, try to focus on getting a good job etc etc, the anti red pill content creators will literally say the exact same shit that you wonder why they're against each other.
But after that quick bit of research I was no longer interested. But you must believe now the algorithm won't start recommending me that content just because I watched a few videos to get a perspective.
And as annoying as it is to see this shit start to curl my feet, I can't deny the fact that I'm partially to blame because I took the time to watch that content. Even if the algorithm itself doesn't understand why I took the time to watch that content. It just knows that number one, I did watch it and number two, I did engage with it. And whether that engagement was negative or positive doesn't matter.
I know you probably already understand this, and I really don't need to explain a lot of this to you. But so many people nowadays still act like it's freaking rocket science. I probably don't have to tell you that not a negative and positive engagement is still engaged for the algorithm. It's food for the algorithm and the algorithm eats that shit up like it's a buffet.
For all I know I'm telling you knowledge that is so freaking blatantly obvious to you that I'm just slapping you with common sense you already have. But for a lot of people this doesn't come twice into their brain.
And there are a lot of idiots out there that thing, well I left a negative comments there's no reason for the algorithm to keep recommending me in this comments. The algorithm doesn't give a fuck if you left a negative comments, it just knows that you left a comment. It doesn't even understand the difference between negativity and positivity.algorithms just cannot understand context of any sort. Whether it be literal, emotional, or otherwise.
Yet again, as stated before people act like this is rocket science. They bitch, whine, and complain about the content in their feed when they're the ones who keep engaging with it. Literally all we had to do for the garbage on TH-cam to die off is nothing. Literally all we have to do to that content is nothing.
And whenever I tell people this I always tell them to look at my own channel. Cuz I'm personally doing my own content. And to anybody else reading this comment by all means I mean it. Check out my channel. Look at my views, look at my numbers.
You want this garbage content to die? All you have to do for it to die is nothing. Look at how dead my channel is. Even for the 130 plus subscribers that I have? I don't even remember the total number cuz I stopped giving a shit, my channel is dead. D*E*A*D *DEAD*
At this point if zombie channels were a thing, my channel would be it. A Channel with content, and a channel that continues to upload contents, with subscribers, that does continue to gain subscribers, but nobody is there. Dead. Silent. Not a single goddamn comment in site positive or negative.
My channel is so dead that even for the subscribers I have they don't even receive notifications to my videos. I have a second Channel that I subscribe to my main Channel with just to make sure I get notifications at all, and vice versa, and for my second no commentary gameplay channel, I get every notification. For my primary Channel which is this account, I don't get a single goddamn one.
My channel is so dead that subscribers don't even receive notifications anymore. They probably forgot they ever subscribed to me. Which I don't blame them this is not uncommon on youtube. They probably would be more likely to get notifications of me uploading from just clicking on a video and not watching it rather than actually it's being subscribed. Because the algorithm will at least try to show it to people again cuz you did at least click on it even if by accident.
Other than that, it doesn't go from there. Nothing. Radio silence. If people actually wanted these Mr.beast clone channels poor content farms don't make videos on it, don't react to them, don't watch them, don't leave a single like or dislike, don't leave positive or negative engagement whatsoever. Literally. Do. *NOTHING.*
Turn them into zombie channels like mine to eventually rot, give up, then die. And they'll slowly dissipate like a fart in the wind.
There used to be a time when I could keep up with all the channels I'm subscribed to. But now that so many of them are releasing longer and longer videos, they just end up piling on my to-watch list and will probably never get watched.
The 5-minute or less videos on the other hand have a pretty high chance that I'll watch them as soon as I notice they're released. I hope you guys stick with this short format. Brevity used to be a virtue among many science communicators, now there are only a few of you left that respect our time.
100%. There are so many channels I just don't watch anymore, even though I used to enjoy their videos. They make them unnecessarily long.
I don't think it's necessarily fair to frame the long form videos as disrespectful towards people's time - a lot of the creators who make them discuss how easily these videos blow out in length because at a certain point you can't simplify facts down further and many of them represent distillations of a lot of in depth information about a field. It's perfectly ok to not want a deep dive into a random ultra niche thing but that's a matter of personal taste, not the creator being somehow disrespectful.
@@AdeleiTeillanaI generally like the long videos more since they get made much rarer. I get plenty of daily videos between 10 and 25 minutes, but when one of my favourite creators make an hour long video, then that is simply Christmas come early. (Apt since many of them only make a couple of videos a year at most.)
You don't have to watch everything your favorite creators put out. I don't. Each video is on a topic. Watch topics that interest you
@@bosstowndynamics5488 Exactly. Not every topic can be boiled down to 5-10 minutes. And many shouldn't be since the oversimplification often end up doing more harm than good by spreading misinformation. Especially when talking about nuanced topics like science and social issues. Honestly, outside of MinutePhysics and SciShow, I'm hard pressed to name any short-form (10m or less) PopSci channel that actually presents its topics with any level of quality beyond your basic listicle.
Not that there's anything wrong with your basic five minute top ten listicle video, but it's understandable that creators want to do more than churn out surface level fluff for their entire creative output and want to get deeper into their work eventually. I just wish the algorithm didn't punish creators so hard whenever they get to that point.
Big fan of the HbomberCrab videos.
Yeah. But you gotta watch them in 9 20-minute intervals.....
I was thinking of that guy being the exception as I watched the video, and voila they mentioned it
@@sakshamgupta5022 I find the whole thing amusing, since my diet is a mix of 5-10 min videos mostly news by a person who posts 4 times a day, hour and above long essays on basically anything at this point, 40 ish min show reaction videos and similar length game play videos. so the 20 min videos are kinda the minority.
@@willowarkan2263 I think above 20 mins you can't really tune into new channels, you have to be a dedicated viewer or something you were looking for. That is why most videos are converging to 20 mins because it's max juice with newer audience.
@@sakshamgupta5022 I suppose, but then my algorithmic feed is so primed for long form content that a good chunk of my recommendations are like that. i wouldn't be shocked if 40% of my subscriptions are for channels that make at least sometimes long form content, mainly video essays. In essence youtube knows what topics are liable to interest me and recommends essays on those topics and other times i look for say a media property and will watch essays that interest me and that way find new channels to subscribe to.
Basically I live in the video essayist corner of youtube and the algorithm knows it.
thanks for introducing me to the frog crab, absolutely love them, their proportions are so weird
It's my lifelong ambition to now hide in the sand and garner weird proportions
Must use the ‘mouth open shocked face’ in the thumbnail!
:O
In other words, the algorithm enforces certain appeal factors/characteristics based on what gets views. In turn, some creators pivot towards those styles in the hopes of becoming more successful.
And then just appears a weird Hbombercrab with a ten hour tail.
I would say there are at least 4 niches:
- Shorts
- ~ 5 minutes
- ~20 minutes
- The mentioned hour+ content
I actually really like the message of this video. I thought it was going to be saying “they HAVE to do A because algorithm and you!” But I’m glad you’re suggesting creativity. I dislike how the blame is sometimes put on the viewer. It’s all three factors that are to blame.
Can we call the convergent evolution of vlogs CaseyNeisation?
hey that's good!
@@MinuteEarthcool
3:05 "Not every TH-camr has to turn into Mr. Beast, and not every mystery beast has to turn into a crab." Okay, that was a good one 😆
Honestly thats kinda why I have largely switched to older videos and indie animation, because everything else is quickly becoming similar
Thank you for meeting your Hbomberguy reference quota, your channel may continue for another year unimpeded.
3:03 Skibidi Toilet in Minute Earth. [Gone Wrong]❗️❗️❗️
I missed five seconds ago when I hadn't seen that
But the series is good though
Is this just me? One of the things I love about MinuteEarth/Food/Physics videos is the sweet and easily digestible 5-8 minute length. Thanks for resisting the algorithm to fill this ecological niche!
mrbeast train crab would be the ideal creature
oh no, T H E P E R F E C T C R E A T I O N
I taught TH-cam to not recommend me clickbait videos for many years.
Now it suggests me either what I already saw, or clickbait anyway or some awful garbage.
Where are billions of useful videos of this platform?
Such behaviour looks like sabotage.
3:05
They took the time to put a skibidi as a reference to future gen-a’s watching TH-cam
Because CTR is really important on TH-cam..
If I could modify the algorithm I’d put a sort of peak suppression mechanism in it, such that if by certain measures a video has a lot of similar features to other videos (duration, colors, style, sound etc) it reduces its spread a little. Such a modification ought to intrinsically encourage much more diversity in content styles.
TH-cam crabification :3
*carcinization
Craaaaab TH-cam, Craaaaab TH-cam,
Tastes like crab, plays like TH-cam
Carcinization: The youtubers *will* become crabs, eventually.
crab people, crab people
taste like crab, walk like people
Love this video, great job on this one guys
Your script writer(s) deserve a raise. I don't care how much they're already making; they deserve more
Time for crab.
Gladwell and Price’s laws are heavily tied into this. It’s always just a few with the best ideas. And it’s always 10% of the top that create the majority of anything particular.
It’s the basis for capitalism, evolution, art and many other things.
the way i audibly screamed "CARCINIZATION" when i saw this thumbnail help
Step 1: Steal underwear
Step 2: ...
Step 3: Crab people on TH-cam!
please don't change the thumbnail this time. i love it
1:57 that didn’t age well. Their most recent video as of Sunday 21st April 2024 is 27 minutes and 10 seconds. (Australia)
I've never watched a Mr. Beast video, and I consider that a point of pride.
Thanks for reminding me of that terrifying black mirror episode where someone does actually get turned into a crab
Shoutout to Hbombergu... wait you already did. 🥰
[shocked open mouth face] text: "is X the best/worst Y ever??"
So popular youtubers have crabs. Gotcha.
Sponsorblock and DeArrow fix algorithm-pleasing filler in videos and title/thumbnails respectively.
Hardly, the algorithm pleasing aspects of video creation are far more ingrained and woven in than anything a brute force system like SponsorBlock could hope to fix (and that's not even what it's for, it's for blocking sponsors, which are inserted into videos for paid sponsorships, not to please the algorithm).
I'm sorry, what's 'the thumb'?
You'll know what it is when you open up the youtube homepage in a private window. All those horribly over the top "shocked" faces pasted over a colourful background with BIG BOLD TEXT!?!?!?! beside their faces. Basically every zoomer channel on youtube
video thumbnail
I love SciShow but they release so frequently I can’t watch them all. I think the frequency is diluting their views counterintuitively. I watch the Minute channels because they are shorter. Veritasium is longer but they release less frequently so I watch them all.
I'm glad I came across these videos before youtube started burying shorter content
I’m part of the problem, because 18-21 minutes is my favorite YT length.
I'd totally watch a video where mr. Beast turns into a crab.
The most bothersome thing about the algorithm convergence to me is that 20 minutes is usually too long because I only have 4-10 minutes... and I don't like watching in pieces, so I usually end up scrolling and not watching anything until I run out of time!
ooo being a stick figure and potentially a background stick in the future sounds cool
Single episodes of cartoon shows used to be 20 mins long, now they are 2 × 11 mins, minus intro and outro. I wonder if YT videos start to develop into that direction. I mean, Let's Plays also used to be ~30 mins per part, while many mainstream gaming TH-camrs nowadays trim each part down to ususally 10 to 20 min highlight videos from a recording or streaming session. And let's not forget how ads and TH-cam videos evolved over time. Up until a few years ago, you had a maximum of two ads playing per 20 min video. Now, it's at least doubled, and there are far less ads you are able to skip. It's as bad as, if not worse than, TV. I don't want to say YT is developing the very same as TV does, I'm just trying to say that there are some parallels.
I'm glad you guys don't make 20 minute videos. I love the shorter bite size kind.
0:58 now my life dream is to study biology and engineer a species of crustacean with CHAINSAW TAIL
This is it ! Using a fields idea to explain another. Wisdom starts from here
I really enjoy long deep dives, but as I get older I have less and less free time, and more importantly the free time I do have is in shorter segments. So anything over 20 minutes is usually a sad "Oh man this looks good but I'll never get time to watch it"
Crab is the ideal crustacean body. You may not like it, but crab is what peak performance looks like.
The logical conclusion is CrabTube.
I'm all on board for CrabTube.
Crab people, crab people, taste like crab, talk like people
The difference between 20min and long videos are like watching a show versus a movie to me. You can often watch an episode at a time like meals, before sleeping or any "I have a little free time but not much". For a movie, you have to wait for a long period of free time and/or decide precisely when to watch it. Or to cut it in parts, but most people prefer not to do that.
That depends on how much dedicated attention you're giving to the content.. I've begun treating TH-cam more like a podcast app than a viewing platform since personally, I love long form content (or long Playlists) for background noise as I'm doing other things or for going to sleep so that I can gather the information passively. The good thing about that is that I can do this for a given video multiple times since I'll almost always catch something I wasn't paying attention to the first time. Then I save my active viewing time for content with strong visual elements that I can just pick up passively.
This explains why I'm going extinct.
Proof that humans are becoming crabs:
-we have claw-like feet on our arms for squeezing stuff and attracting mates
-our tails have tucked inside our body
-we can scuttle from side to side (which I don’t think I’ve seen other mammals do)
“Now, without further ado, this video is brought to you by…”
Glad I never once clicked on a Mr. Beast video and therefore not have contributed to 🦀 convergence.
Hbomberguy reference 🥺
"not every youtuber has to become mrbeast, and not every mrbeast has to turn into a crab" brand new sentence
2:45 Summoning TT, bold move.
Isso foi uma analogia genial.
0:21 there's probably someone out there who identifies as a crab
TH-camrs are evolving to please the algorithm, interesting metaphor^^
I'm going to extinct, I have no adaptations to survive on TH-cam ;)
Love the Hbomberguy refrence.
This is like K selection vs R selection, but with media.
Shout out the TH-camrs that dont use the "😲 reaction face"
Rarer these days. It's even happening to intellectual channels who defend it by saying "we want to educate more people and this reaches more people!" @veritasium even made a video defending their clickbait thumbnails and @smartereveryday almost universally does "pointing, making face, curved arrow" thumbnails now. Gotta appeal to idiots and babies.
Just right click, hide video, and move on. Stick with videos that respect their viewers.
What I learned from this video:
Harris Bomberguy is a frog crab.
To summarize it:
It's what the algorithm wants. TH-camrs are in this set of circumstances where the algorithm wants long videos and more click-through rate, but at the same time very few people will click on your videos, because people's brains have rot so much to the point where they only want these videos of guys talking very loudly to the camera, over-the-top video editing, doing dumb challenges, videos about satisfying things, try not to laugh challenge, 24 hour challenge and the same clichéd stuff, *because that is what the algorithm and the new generation of kids want!*
Another somewhat recent TH-cam trend is to get meta-TH-cam.
Every TH-camr worth its salt must make a video about TH-cam.
About quitting TH-cam, about feeding the algorithm, about title, thumbnail and length…
3:00
Skibidi Toilet 📸📸📸📸
Skini yes
Crabs are people!
I remember when youtube favored 10+ minute videos so much that virtually everyone switched to making 10 minute long videos, thankfully that time is over
To the point that some would blatantly say this is only here to fill in the extra time to make it to 10 minutes. Annoying as hell
This has got to be the weirdest MinuteEarth video I've ever seen. When it started out with crabs, l almost thought I was watching a parody. But then it got to the point.
This process of convergence reminds of Top 40 radio for some reason. Songwriters trying to make their song sound like the latest hits and trends on the radio. But there were any number of songs that became hits because they were different from what everybody else was doing. So this video convergence provides opportunities for TH-camrs as well, even if it's harder to predict.
I said this a hundred times, and I shall say it again.
The term "TH-cam" is like the term "Book" (broader term for a bunch of paper-pages bonded together). This can be anything from Alice in Wonderland till the Quran, from Playboy magazine to 'a brief history of time'. "I watch YT" is as vague and meaningless as "I read books". It is equally stupid for publishers to insist (or authors to comply) that all books should have the length and thickness of Reader'sDigest.
I am in the 95th percentile in terms of YT-watch time, yet I have never watched MisterBeast. Only 2% of my watched videos are from YT-recommendations. The rest are from 'subscriptions'. How do I find new channels to subscribe to? Word of mouth - from my friends, to my subscribees. I am not swayed by thumbs or recommendations, though I find it a shitty move by YT to have removed the thumbs-down counter. Just as often as i subscribe, I do also unsubscribe; I have unsubscribed from many a "crabs".
Dear YT creator, Dear YT algorithm, you do you. I reserve the right to f*ck off.
Clever title and thumbnail!
1:30 TH-cam content creators can't make Marvel films? AI art generators may soon change that.
Of course I have to wonder whether people actually click on those thumbnails or if the algorithm itself just happens to like it.
The algorithm can recommend videos but can't force you to click on them, and one of the things the algorithm likes is click through rate, so people are clearly clicking on these thumbnails.
Sadly it looks like people who like such content exist, and there are many of them.
Probably it have something to do with spread of smartphones.
The more varieties of subjects of videos you watch, the more you can find that not everyone does this. I watch a lot of animal and transport videos, which aren't average. I have noticed a lot of channels do extra short videos, as well as their normal content.
I love brown crab meat. 😋😁❤️
Not everyone does this, but if you ever dare to venture into the horror of TH-cam's default home page when logged out in a fresh browser session you'll quickly learn that the majority of TH-cam does. You've personally selected against that though because the genres you're interested in don't lend themselves as easily to the sort of TH-camrs who are just trying to churn out algorithm content.
@@bosstowndynamics5488 Which means I get more interesting content.
@@julianaylor4351 Agreed, I also select for better content, I'm just saying that as a result of that your feed isn't representative of what most of TH-cam is doing.
@@bosstowndynamics5488 Nice to be different though, I've never been one of the sheeples, either.
I LOLed at the minecraft_oof.
Solved games face a similar phenomenon. When one strategy is just better, things become samey. Look at how sabermetrics changed baseball, or how the NBA shooting chart has become extreme. Three true outcomes become more prominent due to statistics and mid range jumpers are dying.
20 minutes is golden because most people watch videos in 2x speed, hence the video actually become 10 minutes.
C'mon guys - you're blessed with the algorithmic gods.
I just thought of the crab people from South Park
South Park told us about Crab People years ago!!! 😮
If the decapods are evolving to have shorter tails why have long tails in the first place?