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Please don't do to cats what you did to dogs: malformed skulls, joint problems, breathing problems, permanent pains, psychological problems... all caused because of dogbreeding.
@@AmaraJordanMusic Scottish fold is the same: there's no individual that doesn't suffer of horrifying pain through their whole lives just because of their folded ears. To make them floppy there is a gene that affects the cartilage and unfortunately it affects the whole body.
No, because a cat in heat is a master at escaping and there will aways be stray and feral cats with genetics that are different from your cat. Plus female cats will always mate with multiple males if the option is there, further decreasing the chance of hooking up with someone who's related. Ironically, decreasing the chances of hooking up with family members may be one of the reasons ancient humans started splitting into individual families.
i hope not too but luckily that is really unlikely excluding cat breeders because there are more feral cats than dogs so many cats are mixed breed just because a lot are found on the side of the road!
@@Joysiifly that is more of a mutation than inbreeding though; it happens in every breed of cat and it just like a disability in humans. their legs just come out a little deformed
@@katiepuperi3942 Well..no. "The Munchkin cat or Sausage cat[1] is a relatively new breed of cat characterized by its very short legs, which are caused by a genetic mutation. The Munchkin is considered to be the original breed of dwarf cat. Much controversy erupted over the breed when it was recognized by The International Cat Association (TICA) in 1995 with critics voicing concern over potential health and mobility issues.[2] Many pedigree cat associations around the world have refused to recognize the Munchkin cat due to the welfare of the breed and severity of the health issues,[3] including the Governing Council of the Cat Fancy (GCCF).[4]"
@@mridontexist5489 Huh. I thought I'd read that smilodons were considered felines, but by the looks of it, they're thought to be basal to the living felid subfamilies. Stands to reason, I guess.
@@jaschabull2365 lions are part of the subfamily pantherinae. Cats which are a important topic in the video and cougars are part of the subfamily felinae and cougars are the largest members of the felinae subfamily, which is why I said it’s be more accurate to say that’s just making a cougars with extra steps rather than a lion. Smilodons are part of a subfamily that has zero living members today. Edit: the subfamilies felinae, pantherinae, machairodontinae ( which is the subfamily smilodons are part of), and proailurinae are part of the family felidae.
@@konrad6157 Dogs were breed for different purposes, and the size was not always a fashion choice. If you want a dog that hunts foxes, you might want a size that can enter their holes (the dachshund), but if you want a dog to guard your sheep against wolfs/bears, you prefer a really big dog. But I agree, the worst you can do for a breed is to go full for its looks, no matter the health consequences.
"cats are very diverse" can confirm. my female calico cat had 4 kittens. each a different color, and none look like her. one came out super fluffy, unlike the others.
X-linked coat colors don't really indicate genetic diversity. In order to increase the chance that your calico will have calico daughters, breed her to a ginger tom. Ginger daughters can then be bred to a non-ginger tom, and they're likely to have calico daughters.
@@chestersnap Cats are induced ovulators, which means they only ovulate AFTER or during mating. That way the chances of that male fertilizing *those* eggs are higher.
Yes please! Overbreeding is a serious issue. Many extreme dog breeds (like pugs) suffer extensive health problems just because we humans want them to look a certain way. Leave cats alone! They are already perfect, they don't need to be overbred.
@@professorgrimm4602 Its not even just overbreeding, its inbreeding. All those "purebloods" are the same kind of "pure" blood we saw in royalty.... incest. Because, what could _possibly_ be purer than no genetic diversity at all, _right_ ??? The lack of diversity is what helps the genetic issues to crop up, since they aren't being mixed with different genes that lack these issues. As far as I understood it in class, several years ago. Don't quote me on this.
@@first782 cats are extremely adept escape artists because they’re typically silent and can collapse their chests in to fit through small gaps. My cats have escaped a couple times and I only have two to look after. Imagine trying to keep tabs on an entire breeding population.
Considering all the health problems that several breeds of dogs contend with due to excessive breeding for specific traits, I think it would be better to not breed cats. And to let dogs mutt-ify themselves again.
@@patrickripleyiii134 unfortunately breeds need to exist, because certain breeds can do certain things. I think people tend to forget that most dogs with major health problems were bred for looks, not for working. Breeding dogs to be emotional support animals, seeing eyes, and for working on farms is what is good for them, not a sense of cuteness.
@@patrickripleyiii134 You (and the original commenter) seem to be forgetting that breeds exist for a reason. Working dogs, guard dogs, service dogs, hunting (hound) dogs, all incredibly useful. Even toy dog breeds have a purpose, and people love them. The thought of a world without beagles and huskies and pomskies and chihuahuas makes me very uncomfortable. Sadly, many breeders are irresponsible and either are careless or just want money. Pugs were bred because people found them cute, an unintended consequence was breathing problems. But millions of people have pugs, they form loving relationships and couldn’t imagine a world without them.
These malformations are from a handful of breeds out of hundreds. At most giant cats would be prone to hip dysplasia which can be avoided with proper testing and breeding.
@@yeahiknow4370 and backyard breeders and “greeders” still exist despite the existence of “reputable breeders”. People typically go to them because they’re cheaper, or people with ethics concerns are more likely to want to adopt. You’d need more legal regulations and enforcement of the regulations (for breeders and consumers). When it comes to dogs you’d have to ban the breeding of certain breeds too, because some are just inherently going to be unhealthy due to how people want them to look. You’d have to ensure breeding for certain cat features and specific aesthetic goals were off limits for that reason. We could just leave cats be instead. Don’t fix what ain’t broke. Screening for health issues makes sense, but just selectively breeding for a much bigger cat doesn’t.
@@genericname8727 Agreed. Backyard breeders and greeders exist because they're either uneducated on what a well-bred animal requires or that they prioritize profits over animal welfare. It's such a prevalent problem because there is nothing that prevents or deters it. No one is legally inclined to charge you for breeding a dog/cat with iffy temperament, a dodgy/unknown health record, etc. But of course, in the end, the 'big' cats are just speculative. I do think they could work, but not with our current laws and restrictions. It's far too lenient - any idiot could just breed their dog/cat (without doing the bare minimum) inconsequently.
The biggest issue with large domestic cats would be their hunting instinct. They've already been known to hunt and kill chickens, larger breeds will put a greater variety of animals at risk, from wild animals, to farm animals, to pets, and even children. Their hunting instincts will have to be suppressed by a lot if cats are bred to be big. The second biggest issue would be their fecundity. The ability to produce large amounts of offspring in a short amount of time affects the likely hood of having strays and ferals. Although this is already a problem with dogs and regular sized cats, large stray and feral cats would be a different problem. Currently stray and feral cats don't pose too much danger due to their size, and stray and feral dogs are a danger you can see coming, while stray and feral large cats will be a danger you don't see coming.
You can select for less murderous variants when domesticating cats, people are doing this with foxes right now, selecting the friendliest ones and breeding them to create a domestic variant that they can keep as pets. It's kind of iffy in an ethics sense tho, and also why bother? Sinking time and effort into it for what purpose exactly?
I could go for a bobcat- or lynx-sized cat with the ability to catch the squirrels digging up my tulip and lily bulbs, to be honest. Like a cross between a lynx and a Turkish Van would be neat, as the male Vans already approach the size of smaller female lynxes. The last Van cat we had actually did catch baby squirrels but could never catch the adults, so he eventually gave up and the squirrels went back to digging up our bulbs.
Hmmm you're right, however some people still do keep other animals as pets that still have the capability to kill animals and children ( Pitbulls and large snakes being the most known for it ) ( no I don't think Pitbulls or snakes are evil just stupid owners but you can't deny it still didn't happen ) you also have people in Florida, USA who keep alligators as pets.... I guess if we were to keep bigger cats that still have hunting instinctis you'd need a type of certificate to own it that shows you are qualified to take care of such an animal, and if the government controlled breeders as well it'd be pretty hard to get one illegally
Yeah I feel the potential for feral cats of this size is the biggest issue. Like having a small tiger roaming around suburbs, alleys, and out in the sticks, but there's a shit ton of them.
We actively bred dogs through a lot of human history because in the past they were helpful to us. They could be bred to help us catch more small animals to feed our family group, or bred to be aggresive to outsiders as a means of protecting our family groups from rival family groups or perhaps from wild animals. If you can manage to find a helpful cat, then you are doing well, and could be at the very start of humans diversifying cats through breeding.
No, this is not a reason. Real reason is it is hard to keep them inside because of claws. Even 2,5 meteres high brick wall may not be enough to keep ordinary domestic cat from jumping over it. And most fences are much smaller and totally jumpoverable... Dogs would go extinct...
@@Shuhister I remember being terrified as a child when my neighbour's dog succeeded in jumping over the fence between our back gardens after I and my friends had been teasing it from what we thought was the safety of my garden, so they can jump some fences if they have a mind to (though admittedly not as high as cats can). Thing about dogs though is they are usually content not to go to that effort, and are loyal enough to their owners that they don't want to leave them anyway, whereas cats have a mind of their own, and my best friend's cats have taught me that cats will escape at the first opportunity if you try to show them any sort of attention they don't want at that moment, however well meant.
The video misses an important point: what were humans breeding dogs vs cats FOR? Dog breeds are so different because the roles they fulfil are different and they have been bred to be best suited to their role - guarding property, herding sheep, hunting etc. all require different traits that were maximized through conscious breeding. Cats are just not suited to preform any function besides catching vermin (and being cute) so there would have been no point in creating breeds that differ substantially.
I got one turtleshell cat that's basically, a catdog kind of cat. She kinda of acts dog-like and she likes to talk/meow with us due to our human interaction and all that, guess pets really inherit some kind of similar traits to owners x)
@@violetskiy854 Esma (name of my cat) is sorta this tortoiseshell and tabby kind of cat, and I think tabby tend to be very catdog which I find that very interesting
3:29 we also might want to consider the ramifications of doing to cats what we did to dogs and breed genetic diseases into them, vastly reducing their lifespan and quality of life. Oh, actually, we've done that already; it's called the munchkin cat and it suffers from a form of dwarfism that severely heightens its risk of spinal injury.
watched a video a while back saying that dogs dont differ so much in character even though they look so different, its much more us humans interpreting the character of a dog because of its visual appearance and also treating it like that. Which kinda makes use shape the dogs character according to how we see him.
It’s because the larger breeds of cats aren’t what we would consider “pets”. There’s lots of different kinds of cats...it’s just that most of them would like to know what you taste like.
Actualy those "bigger cats" aren't the same species as the usualy seen on the streets, it's just a name, and only in English. They are Felines not actual cats.
Dog owner when someone guess what species his dog is nooo, you stupid, it was..........( saying a really long name ) Cat owner when someone guess what species his cat is Hmmm..... I don't know, maybe an orange cat?
Domestic shorthair. If you're in the US something stupid like 95% of all cats are domestic short hair and they're really common in the rest of the world, too. Mostly because it's as much a specific breed as "mutt" would be to dogs
@@chestersnap Wait until you heard about "europeans", who are basically "Cats who don't share traits with others breeds and could pass for wild cats in form and having any colors" Aka : strays with extra-steps. At least, where I live.
We used dogs for so many different jobs, from hunting to guarding to pulling carts. The only job we used cats for is hunting pests, and as it turns out, their natural shape is perfectly ideal for that already. Everything else we managed to change is just aesthetic.
I've always wondered how dogs can look drastically different and be called the same thing, just dogs; while crocodiles and alligators are called COMPLETELY different things due to one having a slightly pointier nose than the other, a tooth that goes in a different direction, and being bigger.
Dogs -> species, and breed is used to differentiate them. Alligators and crocs are both crocodilians which is also used to class crocs, alligators, caimans, gharials and extinct specimens under the same group. They are all separated because they're too genetically different and can't interbreed. Dogs, however, can interbreed with each other. A chihuahua can breed with a mastiff (not recommended, but it's possible) and so on. A border collie isn't a different species from a terrier, for example. "Dog" is just used to describe all domestic canines that humans have selectively bred that can all interbreed. Wolves, coyotes etc. whilst being able to interbreed with dogs, aren't classed as dogs because they're not domesticated.
also worth noting that dog breeding as far as i know anyway comes with a plethora of bad side effects and medical problems for the dogs. So maybe we should chill it with the cat breeding, unless we are careful
@@yonatanbeer3475 Yeah! Before everyone wanted a german shepherd, stories tell, that every 10th or so generation they let wolves breed with one to keep the gene pool diverse enough to mask bad recessive ones. Then everyone started inbreeding for cashmoney without knowledge of breeding, and you have Your bad hindlegged ones with hip problems.
I'm more surprised about cabbages, broccoli and cauliflower being the same vegetable originally but artificially selected to eventually be so different from each other.
Something like 90% of pet cats are of no purebred ancestry. Not mixed breeds, just plain cats. It's only the last century or two that we've started creating cat breeds, and even then a decent number of breeds come from successful feral populations that have adapted to the local climate (like the Norwegian Forest Cat and the Maine Coon). Even Munchkins started as a family of feral cats with a novel mutation, and that family wasn't even the first group spotted with that mutation, just the first group someone decided to turn into a breed. They're actually healthier than Manxes, which are far more prone to spinal issues (and also come from a feral population where the mutation that shortens or removes their tails occured and propagated naturally). My family has a cat with no known purebred ancestry. Officially her breed is "Domestic Short Hair" but I like to think of her breed as "Tuxedo". Or "Skrunkly".
What about the paradox that people can normally identify and name like 20 different dog breeds but don't even know a single cat breed. I'm definitely one these people
I'm probably biased, but I know many people who have picked out a specific breed of dog. I know maybe one person who chose their cat breed. Personally, my cats are from a dumpster I think (via a rescue), and a crackhead's car (via a friend) so....
They said it in the video: The behaviour differs a lot with different dog breeds. Meanwhile cats want to cuddle and kill you, not matter what breed 🤷 Btw my cat is looking at me right right now as if she's already planning my death ...nope, my bad, she just wanted some love
I’ve had this question in my head for a while! Why can dogs, cows, horses, or even humans look so different but still be the same species, while two animals in the wild that look almost the same, for example crocodiles and alligators, can be two different species? It occurred to me that all the animals in the first group are domesticated which gave me a clue that people probably had something to do with it. This video answered that question. Great video!
@@mridontexist5489 Ancient Egyptians have tried to domesticate cheetahs, but they were too nervous when it came down to breeding. It's hard to breed cheetahs naturally. If we tried to domesticate them, we'd have to rely on A.I (very invasive and questionable) for many generations until they're confident enough.
I think cats are purrfect just the way they are. I’m pretty satisfied with the breeds now. And a cat the size of like a Doberman would be terrifying. (Even though I’m a cat person)
I think what some German scientists trying to breed back the Auroch (a large extinct breed of cattle) in ww2 is an application of what happened to dogs: outwardly, it will looks like the extinct cattle but inside, it will be similar to other bovine.
The giant cat at the end of the video is definitely in BloodClan. Also, fascinating video! I love how you guys related it to human genetic diversity too :)
Excellent video. But I'd like to know where does the value of 0.4% in cats comes from. Because from what I've read -and in fact, according to the article in the description- cats exhibit less genetic distance between breeds (average pairwise Fst=0.17) than dog breeds (apFst=0.33). Still, the fixation index just speaks for population structure, but I haven't found any other metrics such as percent identity which is more in line with the percentages shown in the vid. Thanks!
Great vid! Would've also loved a small segment about the Soviet research with foxes! Oh wel!! Not everything can be included ofcourse. But I very enjoyed the video!
I was hoping to hear mentions about the Polydactyl cats from north America. where people seem to intentionally breed the trait on the cats there, making polydactylism a very common trait in the region.
The thing about polydactylism is that it's a dominant trait. You don't have to intentionally breed it for it to hang around. However, once it disappears, it's gone. It can't hide in the genome and show up later. I love polydactyls. I have one :) She has "thumbs."
The will eat a lot more than normal size cat. And imagine all the crap and piss you need to handle. Also beware for your funiture, cause they'll knock it all down. lol..
There’s also the fact that we turned wolves into domesticated dogs, whereas cats were never truly domesticated. They chose to stick around, & then evolved naturally alongside us. 💜
Man, leave it to a channel I haven't frequented in roughly a decade to answer a question I've had longer than I've probably realized (Or... about that same time span)! That fact that Cat = Cat while Chihuahua = Grey Wolf = Greyhound = Scottish Terrier. And yet Tigers, lion, and Leopards exists, it just seemed baffling, lol. And, yeah, that was a pretty childish over-simplification, but it's just one of those things you think of and then don't, or do but _kinda_ if that makes sense? 🐐
Historically dogs performed a variety of tasks at the behest of their owners/tribe. This necessitated the need for a variety of quite different sizes and shapes. Of course, in modern times there are far fewer working dogs and so the vast majority of selective breeding is for purely aesthetic concerns, but I presume that because we started off with an already diverse range of working dogs we end up with the very diverse range of modern dog breeds. Cats, on the other hand, as well as not being selectively bred for nearly as long as dogs, only perform two functions (for humans) historically: the primary function is limiting rodent and other pest populations and secondary is looking pretty/not being a nuisance (also being worshipped as mini-gods). The original wild species modern cats are descended from already fit these requirements pretty well and so once they have naturally bred out their fear of humans they were ready to go, no change necessary. I would guess that the different breeds that emerged depended more on geographical isolation and chance than anything else - which is what natural selection relies on (in part) anyway. As we know, it is very difficult to train cats to do anything apart from use a litter tray, and even that is not always successful, and so it was probably a whole lot easier for ancient people to train dogs to do the specific tasks and just leave the cats alone to get on with catching mice and rats. Interesting to see how apparently very different looking animals are genetically not that dissimilar and because cats have not been selectively bred as much and have been more or less left to get on with it they actually show much more genetic variance.
Has anyone else ever wondered what humans would be like if they were selectively bred like dogs? What weird forms are genetically possible? After they've sequenced a bunch more genomes, I'd like a simulation game where you play around with selective breeding in many different species.
You see something similar in RL, as genetically we're quite close, though in last 70k years we have been evolving to adapt to totally different environments.
Yes, its almost like when you impose incredibly harsh and weird breeding programs on animals, they end up in all sorts of twisted and unhealthy forms. Cats would never let us do that to them.
Friendly reminder that the British Bulldog is incapable of giving birth naturally due to the extreme degree of inbreeding they've gone through. Yes, I said 'inbreeding'. Let's call it what it is. Buying a so-called 'purebred' is a horrible idea, both financially and emotionally. Inbred dogs are more prone to disease, chronic illness, and shorter lifespans. Many inbred dogs have severe physical deformities that require expensive surgery to fix. And even if you have the dough to care for the inbred dog, you won't have it for anywhere near as long as a healthy, mixed breed dog. Don't support animal inbreeding. Don't support the abuse. The breeds we've artificially created will eventually die out on their own due to birthing and fertility problems, so just don't do it. (And yes, I've heard the 'oh, but my friend/sibling/parent is highly allergic, and I need a specific breed so it's hypoallergenic'; except your friend/sibling/parent should be worth more to you than a pet you can get after moving away. If you really care about the people around you who have allergies, then don't buy something that could kill them. it shouldn't be rocket science.)
Ah--I get it. Cats don't take instruction as dependably, so, for a big part of history, we valued their natural wild behaviors in rodent catching and little else beyond basic cohabitation ability in the home. I think there have been some good attempts to train them for drug-sniffing and suchlike, but those good thoughts are really new ideas and it takes time to change an animals genetics significantly. Cats have amazing sensory superpowers and agile bodies that could, in theory do a lot of what humans can't, but their particular wild tendencies just have not called out to us "Breed me to do THIS!", both because they aren't as intuitive to train and because human most prevalent needs from domestic animals over history have mostly not been conducive to cat abilities, particularly given that dogs are so easy to train and adapt as a species. Being the weird things we are, we've bred cats mostly for looks because we can, but there hasn't been a century-spanning project to tech cats and weasels to sniff out people trapped in wreckage, say. Both animals have more agile collapsible bodies for such work, but such breeding is such a long game historically that it's easier to start with the animal whose already adapted to use it's nose as a hunting animal -- dogs. So, no matter the potential, specific dogs get even more specific and cats, conversely, continue to be left alone.
@@andrewguillen278 Definitely true, some dogs and their breed can be very aggressive but I think that is more just their natural instinct because they are hunting dogs, guard dogs, etc. But I would say dogs are way more *loyal* to their owners.
The reason why there are more diverse forms of dogs and cats? Cats don't cooperate. They were worshipped as gods in ancient Egypt and they remember this. And as you pointed out do you really want a hundred pound cat in your living room? I'm pretty sure if a cat had the capability of eating someone they would. Not necessarily their owner, but people would definitely be on the menu
If these theoretical big lesser-cats existed, then there'd be no problem if they were bred from breeds like maine coons, British shorthairs and ragdolls. Studies have shown that certain breeds (British shorthairs, Persians and ragdolls in particular) are by far the friendliest and most open with strangers, cats, humans and other animals like dogs. However if they're descended from domestic shorthairs or breeds known for aggression with cats, strangers, etc. then a) they'd be unpredictable and b) more prone to aggression. Domestic shorthairs (average moggy) are the most aggressive or fearful towards other cats, strangers, dogs, etc. out of all cat breeds and classes. They'd definitely be a dangerous pet to own. Maybe not the owner, but they can and often will do severe damage to other animals and humans. Then there's the hybrid breeds like savannahs, bengals and ocicats... Their energy output, size and prey-drive will be a disaster. Not necessarily to humans (though I'd assume they can turn into a Beyblade at times) but it's a bad idea with other animals in mind. They could easily and instinctually kill smaller dogs and cats. TLDR: If bred from the right breeds, giant house-cats aren't dangerous.
Most dog breeds were created for good reasons; they were work animals intended for different tasks. I can't think of a good reason to do the same to cats. I mean, their only use (besides companionship, of course) is catching vermin such as rodents and slugs, and they were great at it to begin with.
we domesticated wolves to help with hunting and labors initially, so it makes sense there’s inherent diversity in how we started breeding them. They were large and submissive, so we found multiple uses for them. Cats were domesticated as a pest control, as well as their willingness to self sustain meant owning one didn’t cost you many resources. There wasn’t much incentive to selectively breed them because they usually don’t form strong protective bonds like canines, and they were already efficient at their singular productive role.
40 fold doesn't mean 40 times. A fold means double (think of it like folding a piece of paper), so 1 fold = 2 times, 2 fold = 4 times, 40 fold = 2^40 times. I'm just trying to correct this, but every time I post it under any video it gets ignored.
NARRATOR: Let's look at colored dots ME (assessing): Okay, there's 4 red, 4 blue, and 8 green NARRATOR: Say you have a bunch of dots: equal numbers of four different colors ME (loudly sighing): Goddamned color-blindness...
There are breeds of cat that vary drastically in size, the Singapura is the smallest breed of cat while the Mainecoon is the largest breed of cat, coming close in size to the original ancestor of cats. Munchkin cats are the Dachshund of the cat world while Oriental Short/Longhairs are the sighthounds of the cat world. There are breeds that drastic vastly, Persians have very long, thick coats, large eyes and next to no muzzle while the Oriental Shorthair has normal eyes, long muzzle, impossibly long legs and a very short coat. I really think more breeds of cat should have been looked at, yes, there are some breeds where it's hard to tell them apart, but there are many where there is a drastic difference in facial structure, coat type, size and body build.
Yes, we haven't been breeding cats for as long as dogs, but we have been breeding them for long enough to make bigger changes than we have. I believe the main difference is that we bred dogs as work animals to different tasks meanwhile selective breeding of cats has occurred mainly as companion animals, this would naturally produce a smaller variation of phenotype other than some traits like hair length and color which do have a noticeable variation between cat breeds.
Dude, I can relate. The sadness will be over in about 4 weeks depending on how long you have had your cat. It has been almost a year, but I am still quite sad about my cat's death, but also happy that I had that particular cat. He did so much cute and I loved him :D
fold is different to times... fold is more representative of 2^(fold)... imagine folding a piece of paper in half 5 times (5 Fold) you would end up with 32 layers of paper. Great content love the channel I've learned so much from you, I thought you could learn a thing from me :) x
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@@GS_PlayzFN yea doing this wont help kid try making good content to do that
How is this comment from 17 hours ago but the video is only like 5 minutes old?
"Instead of genetic differences, let's look at colored dots."
I get a feeling a cat wrote this script
That's why there are cat puns (cat language)
@Franca Wong A snitch
Cats and dogs cant see green and red Gg
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This made me smile
The only breeds of cat that I know: cat and naked cat.
😂😂😂
don't forget the chonky floof cat
orange cat erasure 😤😤
Owl cat
@@sarraounia6279 they fall under the "cat" category
Yes, that's an orange cat.
Cats are classified by their colours
there are 2 types of cat breeds, haired cats and hairless cats
@@Julianicos o.O
@@Julianicos Don't forget the long-haired ones
@@woodfur00 those are in the haired cat category (pun intended)
But the color of a cat can be different to both parents. Not species like
Please don't do to cats what you did to dogs: malformed skulls, joint problems, breathing problems, permanent pains, psychological problems... all caused because of dogbreeding.
True
Exactly what I was going to comment 👍
Animal breeding is unethical. Adopt don't shop!
Too late. Munchkins are a good example. Adorable, but not a good idea or ethical.
@@AmaraJordanMusic Scottish fold is the same: there's no individual that doesn't suffer of horrifying pain through their whole lives just because of their folded ears. To make them floppy there is a gene that affects the cartilage and unfortunately it affects the whole body.
> In another 100 years, perhaps our cats are as inbred as our dogs.
I really hope not.
No, because a cat in heat is a master at escaping and there will aways be stray and feral cats with genetics that are different from your cat. Plus female cats will always mate with multiple males if the option is there, further decreasing the chance of hooking up with someone who's related.
Ironically, decreasing the chances of hooking up with family members may be one of the reasons ancient humans started splitting into individual families.
i hope not too but luckily that is really unlikely excluding cat breeders because there are more feral cats than dogs so many cats are mixed breed just because a lot are found on the side of the road!
it already started with munchkin ctas, they have very short legs and can't jump, run, balance and hunt like other cats can
@@Joysiifly that is more of a mutation than inbreeding though; it happens in every breed of cat and it just like a disability in humans. their legs just come out a little deformed
@@katiepuperi3942 Well..no.
"The Munchkin cat or Sausage cat[1] is a relatively new breed of cat characterized by its very short legs, which are caused by a genetic mutation. The Munchkin is considered to be the original breed of dwarf cat.
Much controversy erupted over the breed when it was recognized by The International Cat Association (TICA) in 1995 with critics voicing concern over potential health and mobility issues.[2] Many pedigree cat associations around the world have refused to recognize the Munchkin cat due to the welfare of the breed and severity of the health issues,[3] including the Governing Council of the Cat Fancy (GCCF).[4]"
"Breeding a giant cats" that's just making a lion with extra steps
That’s just making a cougar with extra steps would be more accurate
Or, at the very most, a smilodon.
@@jaschabull2365 that is also inaccurate
@@mridontexist5489
Huh. I thought I'd read that smilodons were considered felines, but by the looks of it, they're thought to be basal to the living felid subfamilies. Stands to reason, I guess.
@@jaschabull2365 lions are part of the subfamily pantherinae. Cats which are a important topic in the video and cougars are part of the subfamily felinae and cougars are the largest members of the felinae subfamily, which is why I said it’s be more accurate to say that’s just making a cougars with extra steps rather than a lion. Smilodons are part of a subfamily that has zero living members today.
Edit: the subfamilies felinae, pantherinae, machairodontinae ( which is the subfamily smilodons are part of), and proailurinae are part of the family felidae.
I always wondered why cats seem to never get any smaller while dogs continue to progress in size
Dogs getting smaller is the owners fault. Imagine owning a dog for it’s looks
I think you mean stature.
'progress'
I feel like a cat the size of a mastiff would definitely eat their owner 😅 that's always been my reasoning for why we haven't bred giant cats
@@konrad6157 Dogs were breed for different purposes, and the size was not always a fashion choice. If you want a dog that hunts foxes, you might want a size that can enter their holes (the dachshund), but if you want a dog to guard your sheep against wolfs/bears, you prefer a really big dog.
But I agree, the worst you can do for a breed is to go full for its looks, no matter the health consequences.
"cats are very diverse" can confirm.
my female calico cat had 4 kittens. each a different color, and none look like her. one came out super fluffy, unlike the others.
I believe a litter of cats can actually have multiple fathers
X-linked coat colors don't really indicate genetic diversity. In order to increase the chance that your calico will have calico daughters, breed her to a ginger tom. Ginger daughters can then be bred to a non-ginger tom, and they're likely to have calico daughters.
@@chestersnap You are correct about the multiple fathers.
My white and brown fluffy cats mom was a mostly black short hair calico
@@chestersnap Cats are induced ovulators, which means they only ovulate AFTER or during mating. That way the chances of that male fertilizing *those* eggs are higher.
Let's not do the damage we've done to dogs, to cats
Yes please! Overbreeding is a serious issue. Many extreme dog breeds (like pugs) suffer extensive health problems just because we humans want them to look a certain way. Leave cats alone! They are already perfect, they don't need to be overbred.
@@professorgrimm4602 Its not even just overbreeding, its inbreeding. All those "purebloods" are the same kind of "pure" blood we saw in royalty.... incest. Because, what could _possibly_ be purer than no genetic diversity at all, _right_ ??? The lack of diversity is what helps the genetic issues to crop up, since they aren't being mixed with different genes that lack these issues. As far as I understood it in class, several years ago. Don't quote me on this.
Exactly! Non-pedigreed cats are already amazing in their variety!
Persians already exist
@@nyancat.123 And are one of the oldest cat breeds.
Also, it's kind of hard to selectively breed cats, when cats are so skilled at sneaking out for random hook-ups.
Just don't let them out?
@@first782 good luck
@@first782 cats are extremely adept escape artists because they’re typically silent and can collapse their chests in to fit through small gaps. My cats have escaped a couple times and I only have two to look after. Imagine trying to keep tabs on an entire breeding population.
thats why they should be desexed
@@samuelMC2487 but, like... then you can't breet them
Considering all the health problems that several breeds of dogs contend with due to excessive breeding for specific traits, I think it would be better to not breed cats. And to let dogs mutt-ify themselves again.
Yeah breeds should be non existent, its honestly weird and gross what we did to show dogs
Exactly this.
@@patrickripleyiii134 unfortunately breeds need to exist, because certain breeds can do certain things. I think people tend to forget that most dogs with major health problems were bred for looks, not for working. Breeding dogs to be emotional support animals, seeing eyes, and for working on farms is what is good for them, not a sense of cuteness.
@@patrickripleyiii134 You (and the original commenter) seem to be forgetting that breeds exist for a reason. Working dogs, guard dogs, service dogs, hunting (hound) dogs, all incredibly useful. Even toy dog breeds have a purpose, and people love them. The thought of a world without beagles and huskies and pomskies and chihuahuas makes me very uncomfortable. Sadly, many breeders are irresponsible and either are careless or just want money. Pugs were bred because people found them cute, an unintended consequence was breathing problems. But millions of people have pugs, they form loving relationships and couldn’t imagine a world without them.
Breeders make a mess but only breeders can fix it
how many cat puns do you want
narrator: yes
Haha the catastrophy would be if everyone had lions and tigers in their homes. So no thanks for breeding big cats.
Narrator: A full CATalog!
@@TheSt0neK1ng paw-ssible
@@LearnGermanwithMarzipanfrau hahahahahahahahhaha
@@TheSt0neK1ng hahahahahahhahahahaha
Earth in 100 years: Beware of guard cat
Well that will be tigers.
I am uncomfortable
Gaurd cats will have: big teeth ,razor sharp claws,
Big warning hisses, as smart as lion.
@@motazfawzi2504 they would probably be extinct
I will make this in a Cyberpunk book. Good idea
Dobermans: used for guarding and military service in the 40s
My Doberman: is terrified of a tortoise and ate butter one time.
3:15 let's not put cats through the malformations we've forced onto dogs
These malformations are from a handful of breeds out of hundreds. At most giant cats would be prone to hip dysplasia which can be avoided with proper testing and breeding.
@@yeahiknow4370 of course it would work if done properly, the problem is that people don't do things properly
@@NoConsequenc3 You mean backyard breeders and greeders, right? All reputable breeders will do the necessary tests.
@@yeahiknow4370 and backyard breeders and “greeders” still exist despite the existence of “reputable breeders”. People typically go to them because they’re cheaper, or people with ethics concerns are more likely to want to adopt. You’d need more legal regulations and enforcement of the regulations (for breeders and consumers). When it comes to dogs you’d have to ban the breeding of certain breeds too, because some are just inherently going to be unhealthy due to how people want them to look. You’d have to ensure breeding for certain cat features and specific aesthetic goals were off limits for that reason. We could just leave cats be instead. Don’t fix what ain’t broke. Screening for health issues makes sense, but just selectively breeding for a much bigger cat doesn’t.
@@genericname8727 Agreed. Backyard breeders and greeders exist because they're either uneducated on what a well-bred animal requires or that they prioritize profits over animal welfare. It's such a prevalent problem because there is nothing that prevents or deters it. No one is legally inclined to charge you for breeding a dog/cat with iffy temperament, a dodgy/unknown health record, etc.
But of course, in the end, the 'big' cats are just speculative. I do think they could work, but not with our current laws and restrictions. It's far too lenient - any idiot could just breed their dog/cat (without doing the bare minimum) inconsequently.
The biggest issue with large domestic cats would be their hunting instinct. They've already been known to hunt and kill chickens, larger breeds will put a greater variety of animals at risk, from wild animals, to farm animals, to pets, and even children. Their hunting instincts will have to be suppressed by a lot if cats are bred to be big.
The second biggest issue would be their fecundity. The ability to produce large amounts of offspring in a short amount of time affects the likely hood of having strays and ferals. Although this is already a problem with dogs and regular sized cats, large stray and feral cats would be a different problem. Currently stray and feral cats don't pose too much danger due to their size, and stray and feral dogs are a danger you can see coming, while stray and feral large cats will be a danger you don't see coming.
You can select for less murderous variants when domesticating cats, people are doing this with foxes right now, selecting the friendliest ones and breeding them to create a domestic variant that they can keep as pets.
It's kind of iffy in an ethics sense tho, and also why bother? Sinking time and effort into it for what purpose exactly?
I could go for a bobcat- or lynx-sized cat with the ability to catch the squirrels digging up my tulip and lily bulbs, to be honest.
Like a cross between a lynx and a Turkish Van would be neat, as the male Vans already approach the size of smaller female lynxes. The last Van cat we had actually did catch baby squirrels but could never catch the adults, so he eventually gave up and the squirrels went back to digging up our bulbs.
You say that like giant, hyper-dangerous housecats are a bad thing. I consider it an opportunity to introduce dog people to a superior playmate.
Hmmm you're right, however some people still do keep other animals as pets that still have the capability to kill animals and children ( Pitbulls and large snakes being the most known for it ) ( no I don't think Pitbulls or snakes are evil just stupid owners but you can't deny it still didn't happen ) you also have people in Florida, USA who keep alligators as pets....
I guess if we were to keep bigger cats that still have hunting instinctis you'd need a type of certificate to own it that shows you are qualified to take care of such an animal, and if the government controlled breeders as well it'd be pretty hard to get one illegally
Yeah I feel the potential for feral cats of this size is the biggest issue. Like having a small tiger roaming around suburbs, alleys, and out in the sticks, but there's a shit ton of them.
giant cats
but we already have lions, tigers, panthers, puma, etc.
and you probably don't want any of them prowling the streets
And they arent domestic so they'll eat you're face off
@@thefpsgamer8597 *your
those arents cats
@@frankwilliamk3769 they're dogs?
So I guess the answer is; we didn’t really try with cats
and I would say its a good thing because some dogs have serious health problems because of this. For example pugs can barely breath.
No, the real reason is cats have been breeding us. With limited success.
We actively bred dogs through a lot of human history because in the past they were helpful to us. They could be bred to help us catch more small animals to feed our family group, or bred to be aggresive to outsiders as a means of protecting our family groups from rival family groups or perhaps from wild animals. If you can manage to find a helpful cat, then you are doing well, and could be at the very start of humans diversifying cats through breeding.
No, this is not a reason. Real reason is it is hard to keep them inside because of claws. Even 2,5 meteres high brick wall may not be enough to keep ordinary domestic cat from jumping over it. And most fences are much smaller and totally jumpoverable... Dogs would go extinct...
@@Shuhister I remember being terrified as a child when my neighbour's dog succeeded in jumping over the fence between our back gardens after I and my friends had been teasing it from what we thought was the safety of my garden, so they can jump some fences if they have a mind to (though admittedly not as high as cats can). Thing about dogs though is they are usually content not to go to that effort, and are loyal enough to their owners that they don't want to leave them anyway, whereas cats have a mind of their own, and my best friend's cats have taught me that cats will escape at the first opportunity if you try to show them any sort of attention they don't want at that moment, however well meant.
The video misses an important point: what were humans breeding dogs vs cats FOR? Dog breeds are so different because the roles they fulfil are different and they have been bred to be best suited to their role - guarding property, herding sheep, hunting etc. all require different traits that were maximized through conscious breeding. Cats are just not suited to preform any function besides catching vermin (and being cute) so there would have been no point in creating breeds that differ substantially.
The breeds of cats I know
Black cats
Naked cats
Ginger cats
Siamese cats
Fat cats
😂😂😂
Tiger cat lion cat leopard cat cheetah cat jaguar cat puma cat lot of cats
@@christinjoy1402 those are big cat species
I _________ how you say "you are born with obesity"
Black cats are technically a breed (bombay)
I wouldn't be so sure about ginger cats.
@@christinjoy1402 what about ligers?
I got one turtleshell cat that's basically, a catdog kind of cat. She kinda of acts dog-like and she likes to talk/meow with us due to our human interaction and all that, guess pets really inherit some kind of similar traits to owners x)
It's a tortoiseshell cat, sorry I'm very nitpicky. Maine coons are also a catdog type of cat
@@violetskiy854 Esma (name of my cat) is sorta this tortoiseshell and tabby kind of cat, and I think tabby tend to be very catdog which I find that very interesting
@@SparkyCas yes Tabby's are one of the most sociable and they are usually very friendly
my friend has a cat who plays fetch
I have a cinnamon oriental shorthair
3:29 we also might want to consider the ramifications of doing to cats what we did to dogs and breed genetic diseases into them, vastly reducing their lifespan and quality of life.
Oh, actually, we've done that already; it's called the munchkin cat and it suffers from a form of dwarfism that severely heightens its risk of spinal injury.
watched a video a while back saying that dogs dont differ so much in character even though they look so different, its much more us humans interpreting the character of a dog because of its visual appearance and also treating it like that. Which kinda makes use shape the dogs character according to how we see him.
It’s because the larger breeds of cats aren’t what we would consider “pets”. There’s lots of different kinds of cats...it’s just that most of them would like to know what you taste like.
Actualy those "bigger cats" aren't the same species as the usualy seen on the streets, it's just a name, and only in English. They are Felines not actual cats.
They cannot produce fertile offsprings. I wouldn't call them breeds of the same specie.
Tiger King disagrees
@@Umbraminf That's the same thing. And everyone knows they aren't the same species as house cats, but they're still giant cats.
@@Umbraminf They are actual cats, just not domestic cats, which is its own species (felis domesticus). Look up the definition for "cat."
"Their CATegories are less well-defined"
You could say that cat pun was PURRfect
yeah it was pawesome and furrtastic as well as rather infurriating and ruff for those who don't like puns
Spotted
Lol, you don't gato get all crazy. Keep it non-chat-lant.
how are you in every single video
@@sparkthegirl who?
And the real reason for it: Inbreeding
a tried and tested method
- Habsburgs
@@trond9229
A tried and tested method
-the big bird finches
Ahhh the classic artificial bottleneck effect, perfected by the Alabamans
With all the broken genetic problems that come with it.
Humans do such weird things to animals for the sake of appearance.
"Is breeding giant cats worth it?" HUGE CUDDLEBUDDIES!
Yes !!!!!
It would be awesome! A pet cat with the size of a lion! Sweet!
Reviews of the Maine Coon and similar large breeds concur.
One false swipe and I'd be a goner.
@@fairytail2484 yeah, but HUGE CUDDLEBUDDIES!
The reason cats are all so similar is because cats are perfect already.
bruh why is almost every cat person believing such stupid things
and why do you think that?
plus the perfect "mutation" isn't the cat but the crab
@@metafox6942 You know you can edit your comment right? You don't have to bombard me with them
@@KaiSub ik but that's just about 2-3 comments with not really the same subject
The domestic cats that have gone feral in Australia have grown really big.
Dog owner when someone guess what species his dog is
nooo, you stupid, it was..........( saying a really long name )
Cat owner when someone guess what species his cat is
Hmmm..... I don't know, maybe an orange cat?
Breed*
well all dogs are Canis lupus familiaris
Domestic shorthair. If you're in the US something stupid like 95% of all cats are domestic short hair and they're really common in the rest of the world, too. Mostly because it's as much a specific breed as "mutt" would be to dogs
There are a few distinct breeds though. I love Mane Coons. So cuddly.
@@chestersnap Wait until you heard about "europeans", who are basically "Cats who don't share traits with others breeds and could pass for wild cats in form and having any colors"
Aka : strays with extra-steps. At least, where I live.
Giant cats are terrifying and I say that despite loving my 3 cats
We used dogs for so many different jobs, from hunting to guarding to pulling carts. The only job we used cats for is hunting pests, and as it turns out, their natural shape is perfectly ideal for that already. Everything else we managed to change is just aesthetic.
When the video has so many puns that there are non left for in the comments...
Then reuse them
Don't worry it wasn't impawssibly bad
Ah, youtube, answering questions I never thought to ask
I've always wondered how dogs can look drastically different and be called the same thing, just dogs; while crocodiles and alligators are called COMPLETELY different things due to one having a slightly pointier nose than the other, a tooth that goes in a different direction, and being bigger.
Dogs -> species, and breed is used to differentiate them.
Alligators and crocs are both crocodilians which is also used to class crocs, alligators, caimans, gharials and extinct specimens under the same group. They are all separated because they're too genetically different and can't interbreed.
Dogs, however, can interbreed with each other. A chihuahua can breed with a mastiff (not recommended, but it's possible) and so on. A border collie isn't a different species from a terrier, for example. "Dog" is just used to describe all domestic canines that humans have selectively bred that can all interbreed. Wolves, coyotes etc. whilst being able to interbreed with dogs, aren't classed as dogs because they're not domesticated.
cause every single breed is still a canine. their still the same species.
also worth noting that dog breeding as far as i know anyway comes with a plethora of bad side effects and medical problems for the dogs. So maybe we should chill it with the cat breeding, unless we are careful
well munchkins have back problems but nobody seems to care.
Agreed
If you breed just for the looks this happens. It is the fault of dog shows
This is also why Eugenics is a terrible idea
@@yonatanbeer3475 Yeah! Before everyone wanted a german shepherd, stories tell, that every 10th or so generation they let wolves breed with one to keep the gene pool diverse enough to mask bad recessive ones.
Then everyone started inbreeding for cashmoney without knowledge of breeding, and you have Your bad hindlegged ones with hip problems.
"Just look what we (humans) done to wolves!"
@Alina Waterstraat yeah its weird. i only find the medium/large sized dogs "dog-like" german sheperd, huskies, border collies, golden retrievers, etc
"Instead of genetic differences, let's look at colored dots."
Me: Okay thanks
I'm more surprised about cabbages, broccoli and cauliflower being the same vegetable originally but artificially selected to eventually be so different from each other.
People like cats, and people like dogs
it's a shame people fight over my creations instead of simply appreciating the fact either one exists
Hi but you are not god , you kill people in DPRK
@@scienceium5233 *Sciencium was found dead in his chair with 3 bullets in the back of his head.*
*Court ruled it as suicide*
@@AbdulGoodLooks Kim jong un shot down ruled murder
Wow, thank you so much sir. 🤣🤣🤣
Well said, dictator Kim Jong-un.
Cat-egories? You've got to be kitten me. I've got a bone to pick with you for that one.
Nice one...
That was clawsome, u really imPURRessed me, I'd say it were furrtastic jokes
Don't forget cat-astrophe.
Thanks for all the other puns :3 They're really pawesome and they helped my ruff day!
😂
A friend recently asked what breed my cat was.. I was like, “idk just cat”
Purebred, 100% cat!
Something like 90% of pet cats are of no purebred ancestry. Not mixed breeds, just plain cats. It's only the last century or two that we've started creating cat breeds, and even then a decent number of breeds come from successful feral populations that have adapted to the local climate (like the Norwegian Forest Cat and the Maine Coon). Even Munchkins started as a family of feral cats with a novel mutation, and that family wasn't even the first group spotted with that mutation, just the first group someone decided to turn into a breed. They're actually healthier than Manxes, which are far more prone to spinal issues (and also come from a feral population where the mutation that shortens or removes their tails occured and propagated naturally).
My family has a cat with no known purebred ancestry. Officially her breed is "Domestic Short Hair" but I like to think of her breed as "Tuxedo". Or "Skrunkly".
What about the paradox that people can normally identify and name like 20 different dog breeds but don't even know a single cat breed. I'm definitely one these people
I'm probably biased, but I know many people who have picked out a specific breed of dog.
I know maybe one person who chose their cat breed.
Personally, my cats are from a dumpster I think (via a rescue), and a crackhead's car (via a friend) so....
They said it in the video: The behaviour differs a lot with different dog breeds. Meanwhile cats want to cuddle and kill you, not matter what breed 🤷
Btw my cat is looking at me right right now as if she's already planning my death ...nope, my bad, she just wanted some love
And it’s probably Sphynx or Persian
Guess you're not from Persia, or Maine, or Siam. (:
SOME CAT VARIANTS I KNOW: Oriental shorthair (and longhair variant), sphinx cat, colorpoint or siammeise, munchkin, domestic shorthair (and longhair), maine coon, bengal cat, norweigean forest cat, somali, abyssian.
I’ve had this question in my head for a while! Why can dogs, cows, horses, or even humans look so different but still be the same species, while two animals in the wild that look almost the same, for example crocodiles and alligators, can be two different species? It occurred to me that all the animals in the first group are domesticated which gave me a clue that people probably had something to do with it. This video answered that question. Great video!
Person one: Let's breed a giant cat!
Person two: It would be easier just to buy a tiger. Same difference.
Giant cats would be friendlier than tigers.
@@theperfectmix2 Normal cats aren't friendly! Just think of the ego boost they're going to get when giving them a size boost.
Tigers don't purr, though. Cougars are the closest thing to a "giant cat" actually out there, and those aren't domestic.
@@jaschabull2365 a cheetah is also close, they are also more domesticable though they are also endangered
@@mridontexist5489 Ancient Egyptians have tried to domesticate cheetahs, but they were too nervous when it came down to breeding. It's hard to breed cheetahs naturally. If we tried to domesticate them, we'd have to rely on A.I (very invasive and questionable) for many generations until they're confident enough.
The Giant cat scenario had me going a completely different direction...giant Litter Boxes 😆🤣😂
I think cats are purrfect just the way they are. I’m pretty satisfied with the breeds now. And a cat the size of like a Doberman would be terrifying. (Even though I’m a cat person)
If cats would be that size they would outcompete cougar’s and lynx’s
If you want to support minute earth laugh at their puns
haha
1:09
Regular people: * does it in an orderly way *
Me: GO CRAZY!
I think what some German scientists trying to breed back the Auroch (a large extinct breed of cattle) in ww2 is an application of what happened to dogs: outwardly, it will looks like the extinct cattle but inside, it will be similar to other bovine.
I've played dwarf fortress. I can confirm breeding cats and encountering giant cats is no joke. They are good ammunition for catapults though...
Haha, CATapults
"lol 2 cat"
The giant cat at the end of the video is definitely in BloodClan. Also, fascinating video! I love how you guys related it to human genetic diversity too :)
3:22 Have you heard of a thing called big cats? They already exist, and we don’t have to breed them.
are you like serious or are you talking about those cats
@@pedropedrohan102 Your question makes little sense. What are you referring to when you say “those cats”?
@@PythonPlusPlus those cats
Excellent video. But I'd like to know where does the value of 0.4% in cats comes from. Because from what I've read -and in fact, according to the article in the description- cats exhibit less genetic distance between breeds (average pairwise Fst=0.17) than dog breeds (apFst=0.33). Still, the fixation index just speaks for population structure, but I haven't found any other metrics such as percent identity which is more in line with the percentages shown in the vid. Thanks!
If you're reading this you have potential to create great things. Yes. You.
If you're reading this, you can read things. Yes. You.
Stfu
Shut up I’m watching minute earth
like beggar :)
"A cat is just a tiny tiger that lives in your home." -CGPGrey
lol
Haha
Great vid!
Would've also loved a small segment about the Soviet research with foxes! Oh wel!! Not everything can be included ofcourse.
But I very enjoyed the video!
"Your Scientists Were So Preoccupied With Whether Or Not They Could, They Didn’t Stop To Think If They Should"
If I had the time and the money, I'd collect the cats with the biggest canine teeth and breed them together to make a miniature saber tooth tiger.
Breaking news: Local guy on a cow killing spree with his trusty cat
@@monkestronk1227 local guy
Can we call them "smolodons"?
i think there is already a breed that is like that
@@jaschabull2365 That's a beautiful idea! If I ever do it, you get one free!
I was hoping to hear mentions about the Polydactyl cats from north America. where people seem to intentionally breed the trait on the cats there, making polydactylism a very common trait in the region.
The thing about polydactylism is that it's a dominant trait. You don't have to intentionally breed it for it to hang around. However, once it disappears, it's gone. It can't hide in the genome and show up later. I love polydactyls. I have one :) She has "thumbs."
That's why differences in means are often unimportant or even misleading. Means should always be coupled with standard deviations to draw conclusions.
I don't know about you, but I want a Lion size cat in my house.
a lion size cat would just be a lion
@@johnrebosantos5989 It would be more of a puma...
The will eat a lot more than normal size cat. And imagine all the crap and piss you need to handle. Also beware for your funiture, cause they'll knock it all down. lol..
Why not a tiger-sized cat?
I wouldn't want a lion-sized cat in my house, but I could go for a lynx-sized domestic cat with the ability to catch those pesky squirrels.
There’s also the fact that we turned wolves into domesticated dogs, whereas cats were never truly domesticated.
They chose to stick around, & then evolved naturally alongside us. 💜
Man, leave it to a channel I haven't frequented in roughly a decade to answer a question I've had longer than I've probably realized (Or... about that same time span)! That fact that Cat = Cat while Chihuahua = Grey Wolf = Greyhound = Scottish Terrier. And yet Tigers, lion, and Leopards exists, it just seemed baffling, lol. And, yeah, that was a pretty childish over-simplification, but it's just one of those things you think of and then don't, or do but _kinda_ if that makes sense?
🐐
My brain: The dots are crooked!
How can circles be crooked?
Cats are very diverse
My cat - but we are still friends ?
We already do have giant "cats." Living with a tiger is ill-advised. A mastiff-sized domestic cat would probably be just as bad.
A cat is not the same as a tiger. A mastiff sized cat would still act like a cat.
Historically dogs performed a variety of tasks at the behest of their owners/tribe. This necessitated the need for a variety of quite different sizes and shapes. Of course, in modern times there are far fewer working dogs and so the vast majority of selective breeding is for purely aesthetic concerns, but I presume that because we started off with an already diverse range of working dogs we end up with the very diverse range of modern dog breeds. Cats, on the other hand, as well as not being selectively bred for nearly as long as dogs, only perform two functions (for humans) historically: the primary function is limiting rodent and other pest populations and secondary is looking pretty/not being a nuisance (also being worshipped as mini-gods). The original wild species modern cats are descended from already fit these requirements pretty well and so once they have naturally bred out their fear of humans they were ready to go, no change necessary. I would guess that the different breeds that emerged depended more on geographical isolation and chance than anything else - which is what natural selection relies on (in part) anyway. As we know, it is very difficult to train cats to do anything apart from use a litter tray, and even that is not always successful, and so it was probably a whole lot easier for ancient people to train dogs to do the specific tasks and just leave the cats alone to get on with catching mice and rats. Interesting to see how apparently very different looking animals are genetically not that dissimilar and because cats have not been selectively bred as much and have been more or less left to get on with it they actually show much more genetic variance.
Has anyone else ever wondered what humans would be like if they were selectively bred like dogs? What weird forms are genetically possible? After they've sequenced a bunch more genomes, I'd like a simulation game where you play around with selective breeding in many different species.
You see something similar in RL, as genetically we're quite close, though in last 70k years we have been evolving to adapt to totally different environments.
I'm with Stafan, lets make sure that we don't mess with cats like we did dogs. I like my Cattos good and healthy.
Yes, its almost like when you impose incredibly harsh and weird breeding programs on animals, they end up in all sorts of twisted and unhealthy forms. Cats would never let us do that to them.
Friendly reminder that the British Bulldog is incapable of giving birth naturally due to the extreme degree of inbreeding they've gone through. Yes, I said 'inbreeding'. Let's call it what it is. Buying a so-called 'purebred' is a horrible idea, both financially and emotionally. Inbred dogs are more prone to disease, chronic illness, and shorter lifespans. Many inbred dogs have severe physical deformities that require expensive surgery to fix. And even if you have the dough to care for the inbred dog, you won't have it for anywhere near as long as a healthy, mixed breed dog.
Don't support animal inbreeding. Don't support the abuse. The breeds we've artificially created will eventually die out on their own due to birthing and fertility problems, so just don't do it. (And yes, I've heard the 'oh, but my friend/sibling/parent is highly allergic, and I need a specific breed so it's hypoallergenic'; except your friend/sibling/parent should be worth more to you than a pet you can get after moving away. If you really care about the people around you who have allergies, then don't buy something that could kill them. it shouldn't be rocket science.)
Very good example of the difference between phenotypes and genotypes
Ah--I get it. Cats don't take instruction as dependably, so, for a big part of history, we valued their natural wild behaviors in rodent catching and little else beyond basic cohabitation ability in the home. I think there have been some good attempts to train them for drug-sniffing and suchlike, but those good thoughts are really new ideas and it takes time to change an animals genetics significantly. Cats have amazing sensory superpowers and agile bodies that could, in theory do a lot of what humans can't, but their particular wild tendencies just have not called out to us "Breed me to do THIS!", both because they aren't as intuitive to train and because human most prevalent needs from domestic animals over history have mostly not been conducive to cat abilities, particularly given that dogs are so easy to train and adapt as a species.
Being the weird things we are, we've bred cats mostly for looks because we can, but there hasn't been a century-spanning project to tech cats and weasels to sniff out people trapped in wreckage, say. Both animals have more agile collapsible bodies for such work, but such breeding is such a long game historically that it's easier to start with the animal whose already adapted to use it's nose as a hunting animal -- dogs. So, no matter the potential, specific dogs get even more specific and cats, conversely, continue to be left alone.
Cats all day any day! Intelligent and look after themselves....and very cute❤️
And they are mean.
@@Lincoln.Sullivan I wouldn’t say mean! But they definitely have a personality 😁
@@Lincoln.Sullivan some dogs are mean too. Still a small minority so don’t judge an entire species on 1 thing.
@@andrewguillen278 Definitely true, some dogs and their breed can be very aggressive but I think that is more just their natural instinct because they are hunting dogs, guard dogs, etc. But I would say dogs are way more *loyal* to their owners.
What do you mean by "look after themselves"?
The reason why there are more diverse forms of dogs and cats? Cats don't cooperate. They were worshipped as gods in ancient Egypt and they remember this. And as you pointed out do you really want a hundred pound cat in your living room? I'm pretty sure if a cat had the capability of eating someone they would. Not necessarily their owner, but people would definitely be on the menu
Idk, cheetahs weigh about that much and they don't attack humans.
If these theoretical big lesser-cats existed, then there'd be no problem if they were bred from breeds like maine coons, British shorthairs and ragdolls. Studies have shown that certain breeds (British shorthairs, Persians and ragdolls in particular) are by far the friendliest and most open with strangers, cats, humans and other animals like dogs.
However if they're descended from domestic shorthairs or breeds known for aggression with cats, strangers, etc. then a) they'd be unpredictable and b) more prone to aggression. Domestic shorthairs (average moggy) are the most aggressive or fearful towards other cats, strangers, dogs, etc. out of all cat breeds and classes. They'd definitely be a dangerous pet to own. Maybe not the owner, but they can and often will do severe damage to other animals and humans.
Then there's the hybrid breeds like savannahs, bengals and ocicats... Their energy output, size and prey-drive will be a disaster. Not necessarily to humans (though I'd assume they can turn into a Beyblade at times) but it's a bad idea with other animals in mind. They could easily and instinctually kill smaller dogs and cats.
TLDR: If bred from the right breeds, giant house-cats aren't dangerous.
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Because of consequences of endogamy, it for sure would be a great CATastrophe.
Most dog breeds were created for good reasons; they were work animals intended for different tasks. I can't think of a good reason to do the same to cats. I mean, their only use (besides companionship, of course) is catching vermin such as rodents and slugs, and they were great at it to begin with.
hey team, i´ve got twenty new cat and dog puns, can we make a video around it? - no problem, that´s purrfect :)
3:38 feel-ine XDDDDD
we domesticated wolves to help with hunting and labors initially, so it makes sense there’s inherent diversity in how we started breeding them. They were large and submissive, so we found multiple uses for them. Cats were domesticated as a pest control, as well as their willingness to self sustain meant owning one didn’t cost you many resources. There wasn’t much incentive to selectively breed them because they usually don’t form strong protective bonds like canines, and they were already efficient at their singular productive role.
40 fold doesn't mean 40 times. A fold means double (think of it like folding a piece of paper), so 1 fold = 2 times, 2 fold = 4 times, 40 fold = 2^40 times. I'm just trying to correct this, but every time I post it under any video it gets ignored.
Drinking game: take a shot every time there are dog / cat puns
Yesterday was the World Cat's Day.
NARRATOR: Let's look at colored dots
ME (assessing): Okay, there's 4 red, 4 blue, and 8 green
NARRATOR: Say you have a bunch of dots: equal numbers of four different colors
ME (loudly sighing): Goddamned color-blindness...
3:22 Lions and tigers: Are we a joke to you?
There are breeds of cat that vary drastically in size, the Singapura is the smallest breed of cat while the Mainecoon is the largest breed of cat, coming close in size to the original ancestor of cats. Munchkin cats are the Dachshund of the cat world while Oriental Short/Longhairs are the sighthounds of the cat world. There are breeds that drastic vastly, Persians have very long, thick coats, large eyes and next to no muzzle while the Oriental Shorthair has normal eyes, long muzzle, impossibly long legs and a very short coat. I really think more breeds of cat should have been looked at, yes, there are some breeds where it's hard to tell them apart, but there are many where there is a drastic difference in facial structure, coat type, size and body build.
1:13 why are the colored circles not aligned??? Especially the green one
Glad it was not about the neverending war between doglovers vs catlovers;)
3:36 no i just have an attention span that lasts longer than 10 minutes
We’ve been gerrymandering our dogs!!!
Yes, we haven't been breeding cats for as long as dogs, but we have been breeding them for long enough to make bigger changes than we have. I believe the main difference is that we bred dogs as work animals to different tasks meanwhile selective breeding of cats has occurred mainly as companion animals, this would naturally produce a smaller variation of phenotype other than some traits like hair length and color which do have a noticeable variation between cat breeds.
dog：woof
cat：meow
cat： s t e l f
dog：woof
cat：thinks is princess and doesn't have to be loyal
dog：hooman i hav ur noozpaper
R.I.P my cat, by the way good video
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I'm sorry about that.
Dude, I can relate. The sadness will be over in about 4 weeks depending on how long you have had your cat. It has been almost a year, but I am still quite sad about my cat's death, but also happy that I had that particular cat. He did so much cute and I loved him :D
F, sorry about your loss.
Why?
Cause we selectivy bred them for millenia
In Asia, we called giant cat as tiger
"Yaaaay, let's breed giant cats!!"
100 years later: Smilodon chasing people again.
fold is different to times... fold is more representative of 2^(fold)... imagine folding a piece of paper in half 5 times (5 Fold) you would end up with 32 layers of paper.
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