12 Trail & Downcountry Bikes vs. The Impossible Climb | 2021 Fall Field Test
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- Matt Beer takest on one of the toughest and wettest Impossible Climb courses yet with the 12 trail and downcountry bikes from the 2021 Fall Field Test. Which bikes conquer the climb? Watch and find out.
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this is less about the bikes and more about matt being an insanely technically skilled rider lol
I love the modern era of "Levy standing with an umbrella chirping the people actually riding". This is what Pinkers truly came to see. This is content.
man this comment do be hitting spot on!
These are always really fun to watch, but a suggestion for future impossible climbs. Have 3 riders , ride all bikes, and then compare each bikes results as an average between different riders. I know there are a lot of variables, but multiple people might reduce a “1 slipped rear tire on a random rock” chances
Or a stupid fucking banana - not really trail tested, but fun to watch
And randomise the bike order... so the "sessioning" advantage is less pronounced.
@@donchristie420 hah for real
@@technovelodos ya that’s absolutely a benefit / deficit depending on when the bike is ridden. Unless they ride the lines multiple times before on their own personal bike (or ones that’s NOT in the test)
Agreed! Pumpkin spice latte? WTF
It's all about Skill, picking the right trail, Strength and power and proper set up of your bike. ITS NOT ABOUT JUST A BIKE.
Matt is too good at this 🤯
If you think he's good, you should see Mike Bear ride.
@@CodyWBrown I heard Mike Bear did this climb first go on his DH bike. Claims the tires are what really makes it work.
Superb riding. Excellent camera work. Thanks.
Great work by you guys Matt, Mike and team, It's a pleasure watching your field test including this impossible climb
It doesn't account for the fact that like with any run you get better with practice
Was it really the bike geometry or more of familiarity of the course over time?
Exactly what I thought
I guess the main point was aggressive tires
I find effective seat tube angle really makes a difference for me. Had been borrowing the mtb saddle for another bike a little while back and somehow put it back on attached as far back as it goes rather than forward then wondered why i was having issues on techy climbs, especially with getting weight forward.
Great video. I love the impossible climb videos.
What a great rider!!! Congrats, Matt! Really good riding technique! Impressive See you climb with the raaw and Propain, good Job!
Camera man doing a GREAT job!
Great stuff guys!
Thank you for all this Fall field test videos, very interesting ! Apart from this special impossible climb, do you plan to do a complete comparison of one good trail bike vs one good downcountry ? We see that some trail bikes are climbing well, some DC have good capabilities in the downhill, and it's not always easy for us (or at least me :-D ) to "feel" the difference between 2 good bikes of these 2 categories. For instance, if we take a good climber trail bike, is it close to a DC in the climbs, or still far away ? Same question on flats & downhill sections. Thank you for all your work !
That Rocky! Damn
How about listing actual bike weights and tire pressure for true objectivity?
I think also (besides it not really being as much about the bikes, but more about the rider), the earlier bikes on test got an unfair shake since he was learning the course better each go round.
Also nice uphill-skills by the testdriver :-)
What we need for next time is prediction from the PB team in a sealed envelope before and check after the results.
it's either the impossible climbs becoming to easy or the bike becoming that good. I remember the good old times when everyone went crazy if one bike made it to the top...
Good Job
Yes love this!! And it looks like you are struggling to climb 🤣🤣
Nice music and camerawork. Missed the flying beer cans.
I reckon it should be best of 3 for each bike
Matt is a wizard
Now that was a climbing test! Can’t imagine how he even made it up with four bikes.
Though I do think a couple of bikes might have done better were it not for the loose rocks and banana peels 😁
Beer nailing it!
double front chainrings make a big difference ! Try that climb with a Y2K era bike .
The first video I ever watched where you mention Pemberton I was like what Pemberton? Because I'm near Pemberton Australia and it's the same type of land all Forrest. Thought you were in Aus
So, Impossible Climb take away - if you want maximum grip and ride slippery, wet conditions, don't get the Schwalbe, stick to the Maxxis ;-)
Hey,what do you guys think of trek remedy 8 2011?
Nice climbing 👌
How would the 2021/2 PIVOT TRAIL 429 Enduro and non do??
If the first few bikes are truly blind tests I feel it's not even close to accurate. As only after the first 5 times does he find his preferred line just like any climb you do blind vs sit there and session until you get it. Unless he sessioned the climb many times prior to actually testing..
well non of these tests are super exact, they are made for entertainment and shouldn't be taken for real. So of course they are not accurate
@@nilmcmcdkdk5899 I tend to disagree.. as a youtuber that reviews bikes on a regular basis most people are not watching this for the entertainment factor. Maybe in the first day or 2 but after that it's all youtube search of people looking to compare these bikes, and even pinkbike brands it as a "field test" so...
@@Projectnortheast people watch these for entertainment. you clearly dont understand their audience
@@ElderlyAnteater do You think You´d understand me better than I do myself? I am exactly the type of audience that is looking for a compare between bikes in order to make a decision what kind of bike buying next. And I am even within two days after release of the video ...
@@manfredkulla7858 oh so you are the only person in the entirety of pinkbike's audience? i see
We meet again!
I would have been able to make it to the first 6 inches of the climb, then "Oh, I'm out".
I dislike climbs, but I will like this video!
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Exactly what tire model was used on the trail bikes? Tire pressure? Wheel internal rim width?
th-cam.com/video/h9kTCC4nJOE/w-d-xo.html Schwalbe Wicked Will Super Ground for DC, Assegai & DHR2 DD MaxxGrip
What is meant by “most aggressive of the down country geometries” - in reference to the Rocky Mountain bike?
The first couple bikes get a bad rep he’s obviously better as it goes
Maybe a good test would be to do this in stock form & then have all the bikes running the same tire(& wheelset?) to to take that variable out.
They already run identical control tires, in this case all the downcountry bikes were on XC tires, hence why most of them spun out on the wet rock slab, the trail bikes had the super grippy Assegai/DHR2 combo
@@mrvwbug4423 i don't think that's true as one of the bikes was on schwable tires.
Defenitely a great idea, I guess it's a thing that get's forgotten when looking for a bike. I noticed the Maxxis tires get to the top quite a bit more often, right?
They were control tyres so all bikes of the same type had the same tyres.
@@thingswelike they did not all have the same tires. For example, at 3:12 you can see the Canyon had Schwalbe tires.
@@CinimodMG Downcountry category used different tires, because you wouldn't want to put agressive tires on a bike like that.
@@stankiah That's fine, but they didn't all have the same tires.
I'd bust my ass 7 times on 1 run thru that. :) Wet roots eat my lunch. Well done, Matt!
How would the steel bike do with better gearing?
...or any of the bikes with grippier tires...
#Pinkbike As a consumer I would pay more attention to your perspective of the bikes on the impossible climb rather than the efficiency test.
Such a shame the Starling was built up with an 11spd, I guess I supply issues forced it
Have nino come for this test next time
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Same tires will be more equal no ? And the Scott spark trail too ☺️
All the trail bikes had the same tires and all the xc bikes had the same tires. The two categories aren’t usually combined in the Pinkbike tests but they were in this case.
@@portermcmichael756 sorry I don t see 😇. And Scott spark trail ? Thx
@@axelgiuliano I believe (but could be wrong) the Scott spark trail has the same tires as all the xc bikes because the xc category this year was aggressive xc/down country while the trail category was “aggressive trail” or something.
@@portermcmichael756 can you test it ? Scott spark trail ☺️
Banana peel? Mario kart technique 🍌
Y'know, the camera op is almost as impressive as the bikes
Matt commented a lot on length of the bikes. Where’s the info on size of bikes?
Matt looks like Riley from Midnight Mass 😂
Very interesting to see that the trail bikes got up easier than the DC bikes 😱 but why different tyres?
Did have different tires
Steeper seat tubes and longer wheelbases on the trail bikes, so they're less wheelie prone. also the trail bikes had grippier tires.
@@alexantrn It depends on what you mean by "uphill performance". If you mean fire-roads, thnn no. If your local trails, like mine, have no fire-roads but look like what we saw in the impossible climb, this is peak uphill performance.
The Transition Spur is missing in alot of these comparos
Matt Beer is quite good at bikes.
Evil, Evil Mike!
So, the improbable climb, then?
Did i miss where he said all tires are the same?
So when in doubt go for the trail bikes? Gotcha
If the climb were straight an enduro bike might do even better, they just don't change direction well at low speeds haha
Use some clip-less pedals to climb
I think he could make it on the Trance if he tried one more time with no live valve !!
That looks like the top of Galby.....
Either that umbrella is really large, or Levy is super tiny.
Budget Vs Baller.
Mike Bear=Matt Beer?🤷
You can tell once he got it, he got it
No epic evo😢
This is a better way to check on all makes of bikes
Famous names like santa cruz amd giant you just paying for the name which is Ridiculously pricy!!!
Next time, throw a fatbike into the mix!
i thought xc bikes were supposed to climb better can someone explain
He did at end, longer wheelbase, longer chainstay, stickier tires, more upright seat tube= more traction but slower. If traction wasn't so limited may have been different.
Tires? Not sure what they were running the same tires on both bikes (doubt it) but tires make the most difference regarding traction.
Then, as was previously mentioned, the more you session a feature the better you get at it.
Tyres! Wicked Will on the DC Bikes and some MAXXIS on the Trail bikes
More like The Possible Climb*, amirite? * if Matt Beer
jeee
Hmmm...I wonder if the rider has anything to do with making it up this difficult climb??
Nice video. Trait with YT IZZO please
it look’s like tire test not bike 😂
you realize how bad a rider Levy really is! 😂😜😘
i love how the trail bike crushed the XC bikes🤣
I’d be curious if the results would have switched if they started with the trail bikes. Experience on the course surely played the biggest factor.
I hope you noticed that the trail bike had other more grippier tires? That's making a huge difference
Wish I could ride my mtb but can't
You can leave the banana skins there. It's ok
Climbing skill …. Matt > Levy
I wonder how these bike companies feel about this test affecting their sales
They sent these bikes, so they're probably hoping that just being on the test will have a positive impact with them being known more. A good score/review is an added bonus, but as they say: any publicity is good publicity
Marketing campaigns are no match for super scientific tests like this! 😅
get this guy an emtb and see what he can do
Just say no to low bb’s
Except the bikes with the lowest BBs were completing the climb
“Downcountry” bikes have to be the biggest bunch of bs ever. They’re either a trail bike or a cross country bike lmao.
matt doing 30-degree climb on 3rd gear wtf
The banana peel garden is s(l)ick \m/
Edit: The Propane Hugene was actually eliminated at 7:48, and again at 7:53 AND 7:54 ;P.
Still a sick bike xD
Why didn't the Privateer 141 get into this line-up, was it because you knew it would annihilate the rest? 🤣
Basically, nothing was learned from this exercise.
This test means nothing, definitely just about skill and luck. The canyon is a terrible bike but did better than the SC? Theres all the proof you need
Santa Cruz really bad as always
Don't like climbing hills? Want to get in more laps? Get an Ebike! I love my Levo. I ride in eco 90% of the time and get a great workout! I now look forward to climbs.
RIP analog bike
Sorry, this shouldn’t be an argument for e bikes. I know they’re legal and cool in Europe but I value the serenity of riding trail without some young rich kid blowing past me on an E bike because he’s just too lazy for a pedal bike
@@halfgeek1394I'm definitely not rich or a kid, I have great trail etiquette, and prior to my eeb I rode a Marin San Quentin. I do my own maintenance and upgrades. You should demo an ebike. you'll be grinning from ear to ear.
FYI I used to be an ebike hatter!
@@emtbxl4212 solid eschewing of stereotypes, positive and pleasant
@@tuftschristopher I love ALL MTB's! Riding is life \m/.... SHRED OR DIE
Can I please have a bike please
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Omg, so lame...slippery trail and guys test bikes with so DIFFERENT tires
XC bikes sucks at going uphill lol
Well, they are Downcountry bikes of course. If they were good for going uphill they would be Upcountry bikes.
They had different maybe less grippy tyres
@@eXaviar right, all trail bikes probably have wider tires. That might have helped a lot
@@ZanielGa_ all trail bikes made further than the XC bikes so the trail bikes are the new upcountry bikes?
@@youling1997 The Trailbikes are clearly good for any trail. Whether it be up or down.
Bloody rapha product placement all over pinkbike videos lately 🤢 .... rapha isn't cool , endorse a legit mtb brand like 7 mesh or Nf