We've been oppressed for too long! Far longer than the Scots and Irish. We were the first victims of English colonialism and yet we are too brainwashed to see independence as a viable option, probably too many English people in Wales at the moment for it to happen. Don't get me wrong now is not the right time, but in 5 or 10 years time I think we could pull it off. Cymru am byth
True! Only 1.9million in Wales are Welsh born. Out of 3.1million. So almost half the population is a foreigner, and whats even worse most of those foreigners are English. No wonder we see polls such as only 15 to 20% want independence. Who exactly are they asking?! Anyway, as long as Welsh is still being spoken and the name Cymru exists we will have won...as it irks them to this day that they couldn't finish the job. /|\
@@tomosprice8136 Agree, if you have Welsh ancestry you are more Welsh than someone who was born in Wales with no ancestral connection to the country. Those who founded the place. That's why I don't mind English born players playing for Wales. (Rugby or Football) As long as they a Welsh connection through ancestry.
Os yw eich hunaniaeth yn gymreig ac yn byw yng Nghymru, felly cymro neu gymraes ydych. Heb ots nag oni bai. Ges i fy ngeni yng Nghaerloyw. Nid llai o gymraes na'r person nesaf o'i achos.
Ancestry doesn't mean anything these days. If you were born in a place and fit in with the culture then you belong there more than someone with just ancestry from that place.
I'd vote for Welsh independence from England✔ Wales has always been & will always be its own country, not "english". Respect to those who fought & still fighting for Welsh(& Irish) independence & freedom✔💯❤
@Himank Yogesth Kulkarni How delusional are you? If the English invade Wales after achieving independence, the English economy would be ruined! Sanctions from most developed nations plus support for Wales from multiple countries. England would be the one losing, not Wales.
@@brandandavis4172 - The name rings a bell, I think he had to leave the UK after the infamous incident in a Swansea Church with a Priest, a young chimney sweep, the elderly station master and 3 sheep.
I’ve always wanted Wales to be independent but I never knew of it would work this video does debunk all those myths. It’s insane why some of our resources does go to england yet west wales is very poor. This is not right it’s time for an independent Cymru but I know lots of small minded people aren’t going to like the idea either for reasons they have and I feel most people in Wales really just can’t be bothered this is the problem. With these debunked myths I feel as if Cymru would shine as an independent nation. And as Ireland are earning good money it’s because THEY control where it goes. And in Wales most of it goes to Westminster! WE NEED TO TAKE CONTROL CYMRU AM BYTH!!! 🏴🏴
It's getting there now!!! I was one of the new converts last year and Yes Cymru's membership boom is still going. 32% now support independence according to latest polls. It's rising by the second too. Dwi'n dysgu Cymraeg and I'm going to properly join Yes Cymru as soon as I can afford it, believe me. A dwi'n byw yng Nghaerffili too so there's even major support for it down south. Caerffili council said that they would back a referendum, along with so many other councils. We're waking up, finally!!! Cymru am byth. 💖💖💖🏴🏴
If you look at the countries mentioned in the video, many were part of a bigger country before they left. In the cases of former Yugoslavia, the combined GDP of the new nations is a shred of what it once was. The wars that followed Yugoslavian seperation were some of the worst ever seen. If the UK broke apart you would be condeming the island to a conflict like the troubles on steroids. England isn't going to buy your water or electricity. In Estonia, Ireland, Latvia and former Yugoslavia, the results were borderline ethnic cleansing.
Some years ago I was visiting Wales and picked up a local paper near Cardigan. A letter to the editor proposed that if Wales became independent that there would be religious animosity and fighting similar to Ireland. Typical of conservatives who based their logic on fear, hate and ignorance. There is no religious conflict in Wales. Why wouldn't separation be like that of Slovakia? A LibDem rep at a town hall meeting I attended in Llangefni said that it would be illegal internationally for Wales to become independent. Did he mean like the Baltic Republics, Slovenia, other former Soviet republics?
Roth182 Yeah and since then we have become the 5th richest country in the world and have been paying that money back with interest with no hassle, we owe the UK nothing other than the money that was lent and have had no issues paying the UK back. Dogding bills is the UK's game not ours.
We in Northern England, old Northumbria want independence from the elitist South and to form a union with Scotland Wales..Cornwall. Build a new Hadrian's wall from below Manchester across and firm new Northumbria, maybe I can become King. Always fancied an easy life, Living off taxpayers hard earned.
Yes let's hold the referendum in the country that subjugates Wales 1000iq idea never thought of that. Your an absolute dumb fuck and even if that's supposed to be a joke its not funny
Why can't Wales be like Ireland? Because its government wouldn't be willing to slash corporate tax rates to just 12.5% and the Welsh are too far bent on protecting the Welsh language to concentrate on developing English skills necessary to compete in the global economy. That's why.
There are that many English in Wales who can vote on welsh matters,the Welsh language is dying, soon Welsh people will be a minority in their own country. They come here as tourist and the decided to stay pushing house prices up so our own children can't afford a house. Wrexham council sold plas kynaston hall a building given to the community of Cefn Mawr for £1 to an English property developer they turned it into flats that are to expensive for the locals. Get the English out. The meibion glyndwr had the right idea. Spred the word to every Welsh person and kick the rich English pricks out and take our land and wealth back
Independence marks the beginning of freedom for all who yearn for it. Wales is to be independent with its own government, its own system of laws and courts, its own mark on this planet and its people. So why wait? Independence NOW! Annibyniaeth i Gymru!
Most common myth is that if anyone leaves the UK they will crumble. This is wrong and since Southern Ireland left the UK and became the Republic of Ireland they have become the 5th richest country in the world by GDP, well ahead of the UK.
Geiriau neis iawn! Mae'r Cymry yn ardderchog o glyfar ar lafar wrth gwrs, ond rhaid cael mwy nag eiriau i fynd â'r maen i'r wal. Yn y lle cyntaf, plaid sy'n credu mewn gwirionedd fod Cymru'n haeddu annibyniaeth.
Unfortunately our Welsh leaders have lost it. I thought that Devolution would give better local democracy. Wealth didn't matter to me. My area is much worse off now than it was.
@Welsh Independance Supporter But it is the Welsh government that wrecked our hospital in the 6th largest area of population in Wales. My A&E is now 25 miles away instead of 2 and we fought the rotten Welsh government for 10 years to try to change their minds. It was helped by Plaid that passed every budget that caused our downfall. It was passed when Helen Mary Jones was an AM for Llanelli she had the passing vote. She had said over my dead body but the party. I believe put pressure on her because Carmarthen is Plaid's little baby. much more to say about that. Mark Drakeford who advised the Welsh Assembly from the beginning and I believe the Welsh Office before was born and bred in Carmarthen and became health minister. Prince Phillip Hospital was the first to be downgraded in Wales. Llanelli was self governing but we are now ruled from Carmarthen by Plaid and independents. While being 50% of the population of Carmarthenshire the 3rd largest county in Wales we only have 33% of the vote. Llanelli is a Labour area. Llanelli's industry and population pays for so much across Carmarthenshire. I say get rid of the Welsh Assembly and I hope we do.
In the event of hard border with Gwlad Morgan and Gwlad Rees-Mogg, reely wanna know how will the hard border operate in: Saltney, Llanymynech, Pentreheyling, Beachley?.
Scotland Northern Ireland and Wales are just colonies of England each country has been robbed of most of its culture, identity, and languages, whether people like it or not they are all individual cultures and Countries they share many things with each other but this doesn’t mean that they have to be ruled by England, there needs to be a more equal power share across the nations, for the United Kingdom to survive as it is now if things don’t change each nation will likely secede from the union at some point in the future. Just an opinion.
Perhaps there are smaller countrys in Europe, but those country's are part of the European Union, they are in that case not independent, they are part of the eu,
imo the reason we are being abandoned by Westminster is because of our own nationalism and wanting to be different from England. Therefore England does not see Wales as a part of it and is just dumping problems onto the Senedd. To solve the problem I think we need to get rid of our nationalism and try and combine the two countries even more leading to better views of eachother leading to greater co operation between Wales and Westminter. That and getting the tories out
Most of these "debunks" are bollocks. Yes, there are smaller countries, but they are either microstates, tax havens or really poor. Even poorer than Wales. And Ireland isn't really richer than the Welsh are now, they just have a lot of rich people that push the GDP per capita upwards.
@Florentine 193 Name one historical benefit the Welsh have had under the UK?! (London's Leadership) name one and I'll agree with you. How many major projects in Wales have been cancelled in the last 5 years?! Due to the UK government! The lagoon wasn't built for one reason and one reason only....Wales isn't allowed to be self sufficient and that would have went a long way towards it. How about the Grand Prix of Wales?! A newer modern race course that no doubt would of taken over from Silverstone on the F1 circuit. The list is quite large and you know the one thing they all have in common?! Approval from the UK Government. Btw, the votes are biased and I have already stated the reason for it. 1.2 Million people in Wales are foreign born, with vast majority being English born. So it's not shocking to see such figures.
What would an independent welsh military look like. As I’m from wales and I want to join the army it’s been my dream since I have been very young. I won’t support this cause as I’m worried it will take my dream job away from me
@@IdontKnow-fp9zw You should look to Israel for military advice like Singapore did after they're on their own in 1965, they are also a small country but its military has a fearsome reputation, when it comes to governing a country Wales should look to Singapore.
Why would anyone think an Independent Wales would be a good idea? Wales voted to leave the European Union. So what benefit would Wales have? It won't rejoin the EU. And will have to deal with the border issues that come from being independent with England.... I'm all for the Union and I live in West Wales. Groups like these want independence at any cost. Just for the sake of hating the English. If we are going to leave the EU. (Which Welsh voted voted for,) then we need to stick together
@@kingofthedaddys8012 I constantly face racism from the English whenever I go there, I am called Taff, Sheep Shagger and told my language should die. The Saes can go to hell.
Please explain to me how we would cope if England voted for independence, and gave us a timetable of 3 years to sort things out. Education, health, police, pensions, housing, infrastructure, loss of English based business's etc, and possibly a hard border between us and England. Financial services ,what currency would we use? Please don't tell me we will try and join the EU to bail us out. I want a strong Wales within the UK, the Welsh Assembly is not the answer.
Education and health are already managed by Wales. Housing 🤔 i guess we'd build more (truely) affordable homes. Financial services, there is a Welsh bank in the pipeline, currency, we'd continue as we are, particularly in the short term.
it is no wonder, with brexit and the chaos -farce in westminster, that independence in scotland-wales and irish unification* are all being discussed, even the unionists, must concede..... that powers and privilges are centred in and around westminster,whitehall.... the city and coporation of london, unwritten traditions, the lack of transparency are disturbing,even a bannana republic seems more functional, than westminster..... UK as centralised state, is not working or even ecomically viable, without radical changes, protests,marches,civil unrest,anger and fustration, high unemployment,lack of investment, in some of the already poorest regions for decades*... scotland,northern ireland and gibraltar voted to remain in EU, england and wales voted too leave EU*, of course others say this was a UK wide referendum....and the vote should be respected* 17million for leave, and the 16million who voted too remain*.... so political divisions have already arisen,just over brexit*, also in the unwritten consitution of the UK westminster system*, devolution could be cancelled at anytime* with the powers returned too a dysfunctional and chaotic westminster*.....no that is no joke, its a westminster law* the UK union jack* has no representation for wales-cornwall* cornish people whatsoever, being that these are orginal nations, at the very least they should be included, the same way that the royal flag....depicts the kingdom of scotland-ireland & england,but nothing welsh,let alone cornish*.... same goes with a UK & royal anthem* that is considered english, even mentioning ,historic anti scottish lyrics..... surely the UK and england should have seperate anthems... and all national saints being observed holidays*.. the shameful situation, that many irish americans, and candians have recently talked about is that northern ireland* has no functioning government and that a northern irish party is in agreement with the tories, surely this is at the very least ,is in total disregard for all religious-national & political comunities in northern ireland, not that anyone really cares,as northern ireland is at best neglected,and ignored...,being considered too poor and too small..... but even there, northern ireland has its own legal system,local issue currency and instiutions, that wales does not have.... please read adam price: wales* first and last colony of england....
The southern irish cross the boarder into NI all the time to shop and vice versa, they're managing ok and they have a much more tender relationship than we do with the english. Tax hikes are inecitable whether we stay or leave.
In your latest video you ask "who are you to make decisions for me" Well we're in the British...the ones that conquered you and built castles all over to enforce English law ...Just so you know😋
I’d like to see all the counties in the uk independent and that means from the EU to. I want to see Ireland ,Northern Ireland, Wales, Scotland and possibly even England from an economic union similar to EU but with tighter borders. This would keep all the nations close but allow all the nations to go off on there own. 🏴
There are much more people living in poor areas of England which all together add up to make more than Wales population! And the GDP per person isn’t true!
I used to be a Welsh nationalist that believed in independence and for years voted for it at every election. But the last 22 years has changed my mind. My area is worse off through it.
Wales should never vote for independence! Union forever. Wales supports labour by majority which is a unionist party! So very unlikely indyref for Wales could ever happen which is good!
Labour cant actually win a general election without scotland, scotland are very unlikely to ever vote labour again. What use is a labour senedd with a tory central gov?? 🤔 #VotePlaid #VoteSensibly
@@Daniel-jy9so sorry, im confused by your reply. Labour did win in 97 and 2001, but both of those wins were with Scottish support. Since 2007 (i think) Scotland have been voting SNP, current predictions still show a majority support for SNP in Scotland. If you add up all the constituency seats for the UK, then minus all the scottish and NI seats, also take off the 8 seats that Wales are about to have taken off us in the upcoming jerrymandering, you will see its mathmatically impossible for labour to win in a general election. Labour is dead everwhere except south Wales. A labour Senedd is no good without labour in Westminster. It's sad, but true. The only way out of this mess is by voting plaid.
We've been oppressed for too long! Far longer than the Scots and Irish. We were the first victims of English colonialism and yet we are too brainwashed to see independence as a viable option, probably too many English people in Wales at the moment for it to happen. Don't get me wrong now is not the right time, but in 5 or 10 years time I think we could pull it off. Cymru am byth
True! Only 1.9million in Wales are Welsh born. Out of 3.1million. So almost half the population is a foreigner, and whats even worse most of those foreigners are English. No wonder we see polls such as only 15 to 20% want independence. Who exactly are they asking?! Anyway, as long as Welsh is still being spoken and the name Cymru exists we will have won...as it irks them to this day that they couldn't finish the job. /|\
@@taffyducks544 exactly. I myself was born in England but that doesn't make me any less Welsh.
@@tomosprice8136 Agree, if you have Welsh ancestry you are more Welsh than someone who was born in Wales with no ancestral connection to the country. Those who founded the place. That's why I don't mind English born players playing for Wales. (Rugby or Football) As long as they a Welsh connection through ancestry.
Os yw eich hunaniaeth yn gymreig ac yn byw yng Nghymru, felly cymro neu gymraes ydych. Heb ots nag oni bai.
Ges i fy ngeni yng Nghaerloyw. Nid llai o gymraes na'r person nesaf o'i achos.
Ancestry doesn't mean anything these days. If you were born in a place and fit in with the culture then you belong there more than someone with just ancestry from that place.
You have my support 🏴❤️🏴
I'd vote for Welsh independence from England✔
Wales has always been & will always be its own country, not "english".
Respect to those who fought & still fighting for Welsh(& Irish) independence & freedom✔💯❤
You don't mind all that English money to pay for those Klingon signs that no twat understands
Great stuff well said, Shame for you football clubs will have to go part time when they withdraw from the English League.
@@mrfrisky2997 the thing is most acctual Welsh people don't give a fucking shit about a random ass football club
Nature Lover no is not working
@Himank Yogesth Kulkarni How delusional are you? If the English invade Wales after achieving independence, the English economy would be ruined! Sanctions from most developed nations plus support for Wales from multiple countries. England would be the one losing, not Wales.
My great great grandfather left Wales in 1866, but I'll always be proud of my Welsh heritage and the country deserves it's freedom!!
@The505Guys he came to the U.S. I'm not to sure on the exact reason why he left.
@@brandandavis4172 - The name rings a bell, I think he had to leave the UK after the infamous incident in a Swansea Church with a Priest, a young chimney sweep, the elderly station master and 3 sheep.
@@mrfrisky2997 I don't get it lol sorry
@@brandandavis4172 Read up on it, your relation us quite famous as he had to leave the UK in disgrace- due to the sordid incident I stated.
@@mrfrisky2997 lol
I’ve always wanted Wales to be independent but I never knew of it would work this video does debunk all those myths. It’s insane why some of our resources does go to england yet west wales is very poor. This is not right it’s time for an independent Cymru but I know lots of small minded people aren’t going to like the idea either for reasons they have and I feel most people in Wales really just can’t be bothered this is the problem. With these debunked myths I feel as if Cymru would shine as an independent nation. And as Ireland are earning good money it’s because THEY control where it goes. And in Wales most of it goes to Westminster! WE NEED TO TAKE CONTROL CYMRU AM BYTH!!! 🏴🏴
some of our resources does go to england?
I'm Scottish-Irish (with Welsh blood) and I agree. Sadly, the independence movement isn't popular... yet.
From a Scottish perspective I keep asking, "what's wrong with the Welsh?" ;-)
Oh, we're waking up butt :-)
It's increased to 17% atleast
Must feel better now
It's getting there now!!! I was one of the new converts last year and Yes Cymru's membership boom is still going. 32% now support independence according to latest polls. It's rising by the second too. Dwi'n dysgu Cymraeg and I'm going to properly join Yes Cymru as soon as I can afford it, believe me. A dwi'n byw yng Nghaerffili too so there's even major support for it down south. Caerffili council said that they would back a referendum, along with so many other councils. We're waking up, finally!!! Cymru am byth. 💖💖💖🏴🏴
I don't think the United Kingdom should be a country anymore. It should become an economic union of four countries like Benelux or NAFTA.
It should be a thing of the past :)
Wasn't meant to be a country anyway it wasn't meant to be a political union of 4 equal countries
If you look at the countries mentioned in the video, many were part of a bigger country before they left. In the cases of former Yugoslavia, the combined GDP of the new nations is a shred of what it once was. The wars that followed Yugoslavian seperation were some of the worst ever seen. If the UK broke apart you would be condeming the island to a conflict like the troubles on steroids. England isn't going to buy your water or electricity. In Estonia, Ireland, Latvia and former Yugoslavia, the results were borderline ethnic cleansing.
@@placeholdernameisplacehold7671 except in the UK there is a democratic process to leave.
@@thegreypenguin5097 No, Westminster is not going to allow another vote on the union. Even then, democracy didn't result in peace in Ireland.
Support to the Welsh separatists from Turkey. 🇹🇷🏴
I often think of it. And laugh.
Cymru Rydd!
Some years ago I was visiting Wales and picked up a local paper near Cardigan. A letter to the editor proposed that if Wales became independent that there would be religious animosity and fighting similar to Ireland. Typical of conservatives who based their logic on fear, hate and ignorance. There is no religious conflict in Wales. Why wouldn't separation be like that of Slovakia? A LibDem rep at a town hall meeting I attended in Llangefni said that it would be illegal internationally for Wales to become independent. Did he mean like the Baltic Republics, Slovenia, other former Soviet republics?
I'm English..but I'm with you all the way....I hate Brexit...
Can I be a Welsh passport holder....
Gobshite.
@Classic Movies dont be to sure about that
@Classic Movies English people in Wales voted to leave the EU. Welsh people did not
I'm not against Welsh independence but referring to Ireland is not really a good example when the UK gave it a huge bailout in 2011
Plus Ireland reunited with the UK in 1973.
@catastic Ireland gave up its independence when it joined the EU.
Mark Harrison Ireland left the UK and became the 5th richest country in the world, way ahead of the UK.
Roth182 Yeah and since then we have become the 5th richest country in the world and have been paying that money back with interest with no hassle, we owe the UK nothing other than the money that was lent and have had no issues paying the UK back. Dogding bills is the UK's game not ours.
catastic When has military spending ever been our strong point? Currently we're the 5th richest nation while the UK is 22nd. We're doing alright.
Yes Cymru, do you think they mean in size of the country not the size of our population?
We in Northern England, old Northumbria want independence from the elitist South and to form a union with Scotland
Wales..Cornwall.
Build a new Hadrian's wall from below Manchester across and firm new Northumbria, maybe I can become King.
Always fancied an easy life,
Living off taxpayers hard earned.
If Wales doesn't get independence I'm going to create my own country
All you have to do is hold the referendum in England.
@john james Wales has had mass immigration, and all the parties that support "independence" want far more.
@john james Plaid loves Muslims.
Yes let's hold the referendum in the country that subjugates Wales 1000iq idea never thought of that. Your an absolute dumb fuck and even if that's supposed to be a joke its not funny
@@quwuirkyturkey If the referendum was held in England then Wales would be long gone.
Why can't Wales be like Ireland? Because its government wouldn't be willing to slash corporate tax rates to just 12.5% and the Welsh are too far bent on protecting the Welsh language to concentrate on developing English skills necessary to compete in the global economy. That's why.
Liking your own comments I see
What English skills are you talking about.
probably the most idiotic comment I've ever read, da iawn.
There are that many English in Wales who can vote on welsh matters,the Welsh language is dying, soon Welsh people will be a minority in their own country. They come here as tourist and the decided to stay pushing house prices up so our own children can't afford a house. Wrexham council sold plas kynaston hall a building given to the community of Cefn Mawr for £1 to an English property developer they turned it into flats that are to expensive for the locals. Get the English out. The meibion glyndwr had the right idea. Spred the word to every Welsh person and kick the rich English pricks out and take our land and wealth back
@Torak Wolf80 it would be easier to accept English people if they didn't commit atrocities to us as people
@Torak Wolf80 angry English prick altert🤣
Independence marks the beginning of freedom for all who yearn for it. Wales is to be independent with its own government, its own system of laws and courts, its own mark on this planet and its people. So why wait? Independence NOW! Annibyniaeth i Gymru!
Most common myth is that if anyone leaves the UK they will crumble. This is wrong and since Southern Ireland left the UK and became the Republic of Ireland they have become the 5th richest country in the world by GDP, well ahead of the UK.
Now they've removed my comment saying "Britain forever" in Welsh.
They havent, all 5 are still there lol
If Wales and Scotland became independent who gets custody of the British overseas territories?
They keep removing my comments disagreeing on the matter🤣🤣🤣
Geiriau neis iawn! Mae'r Cymry yn ardderchog o glyfar ar lafar wrth gwrs, ond rhaid cael mwy nag eiriau i fynd â'r maen i'r wal. Yn y lle cyntaf, plaid sy'n credu mewn gwirionedd fod Cymru'n haeddu annibyniaeth.
Unfortunately our Welsh leaders have lost it. I thought that Devolution would give better local democracy. Wealth didn't matter to me. My area is much worse off now than it was.
@Welsh Independance Supporter But it is the Welsh government that wrecked our hospital in the 6th largest area of population in Wales. My A&E is now 25 miles away instead of 2 and we fought the rotten Welsh government for 10 years to try to change their minds. It was helped by Plaid that passed every budget that caused our downfall. It was passed when Helen Mary Jones was an AM for Llanelli she had the passing vote. She had said over my dead body but the party. I believe put pressure on her because Carmarthen is Plaid's little baby. much more to say about that. Mark Drakeford who advised the Welsh Assembly from the beginning and I believe the Welsh Office before was born and bred in Carmarthen and became health minister. Prince Phillip Hospital was the first to be downgraded in Wales. Llanelli was self governing but we are now ruled from Carmarthen by Plaid and independents. While being 50% of the population of Carmarthenshire the 3rd largest county in Wales we only have 33% of the vote. Llanelli is a Labour area. Llanelli's industry and population pays for so much across Carmarthenshire. I say get rid of the Welsh Assembly and I hope we do.
I strongly support an independent Wales, in the name of civic, inclusive nationalism. We must govern and legislate for ourselves.
550 thousand English people live in Wales 500 thousand are on benefits time for independence
In the event of hard border with Gwlad Morgan and Gwlad Rees-Mogg, reely wanna know how will the hard border operate in:
Saltney, Llanymynech, Pentreheyling, Beachley?.
As a Brazilian you have my support 🇧🇷❤️🏴
#wails indapendins ❤️🏴
One country being ruled by a separate country is not democracy in any form, and its dangerous for both sides to believe otherwise.
Whether you know the mean of democracy?
Scotland Northern Ireland and Wales are just colonies of England each country has been robbed of most of its culture, identity, and languages, whether people like it or not they are all individual cultures and Countries they share many things with each other but this doesn’t mean that they have to be ruled by England, there needs to be a more equal power share across the nations, for the United Kingdom to survive as it is now if things don’t change each nation will likely secede from the union at some point in the future.
Just an opinion.
YOU REMOVED MY COMMENT SAYING I LOVE THE ENGLISH AND THE SCOTTISH. WHY?? DO YOU NOT LIKE THEM??
Perhaps there are smaller countrys in Europe, but those country's are part of the European Union, they are in that case not independent, they are part of the eu,
Also cornwall the ile of man and Scotland
CYMRU A BYTH 🏴🏴🏴🏴
Wow. Nice Silencing of my speech. They removed my comment saying "we're stronger together" Am I not allowed an opinion on the matter?? I'm Welsh...
@Welsh Independance Supporter lmao I'm an extremely proud Welshman and fluent Welsh speaker thank you very much
@Welsh Independance Supporter "true welshman" hahahahahaha. Btw you spelt Independence wrong
@Welsh Independance Supporter cer i grafu gont
Cymru am byth. Wales forever. We were here before the English
imo the reason we are being abandoned by Westminster is because of our own nationalism and wanting to be different from England. Therefore England does not see Wales as a part of it and is just dumping problems onto the Senedd. To solve the problem I think we need to get rid of our nationalism and try and combine the two countries even more leading to better views of eachother leading to greater co operation between Wales and Westminter. That and getting the tories out
" Let's leave Britain, but stay in the EU" genius😂
Nice work 👍
Fideo addysgol iawn! Very educational video!
Most of these "debunks" are bollocks. Yes, there are smaller countries, but they are either microstates, tax havens or really poor. Even poorer than Wales. And Ireland isn't really richer than the Welsh are now, they just have a lot of rich people that push the GDP per capita upwards.
The UK is on the brink of collapse YAY! *sweats nervously*
The UK was never a "United" Kingdom.
A very small Welsh proportion hold your views. You do not represent Wales or the Welsh.
Really! I wonder who they ask in these independence polls. The 1.9million Welsh born, or the 1.2million foreigners?! /|\ Yma O Hyd Cymru!
@Florentine 193 Biased polls - No thanks!
@Florentine 193 Name one historical benefit the Welsh have had under the UK?! (London's Leadership) name one and I'll agree with you. How many major projects in Wales have been cancelled in the last 5 years?! Due to the UK government!
The lagoon wasn't built for one reason and one reason only....Wales isn't allowed to be self sufficient and that would have went a long way towards it.
How about the Grand Prix of Wales?! A newer modern race course that no doubt would of taken over from Silverstone on the F1 circuit.
The list is quite large and you know the one thing they all have in common?! Approval from the UK Government.
Btw, the votes are biased and I have already stated the reason for it. 1.2 Million people in Wales are foreign born, with vast majority being English born. So it's not shocking to see such figures.
17% isn't that small mate
39% now and growing 😊
Im Ready!
What would an independent welsh military look like. As I’m from wales and I want to join the army it’s been my dream since I have been very young. I won’t support this cause as I’m worried it will take my dream job away from me
Of course wales will have a military force not a big one but strong enough
@@IdontKnow-fp9zw You should look to Israel for military advice like Singapore did after they're on their own in 1965, they are also a small country but its military has a fearsome reputation, when it comes to governing a country Wales should look to Singapore.
Why would anyone think an Independent Wales would be a good idea? Wales voted to leave the European Union. So what benefit would Wales have? It won't rejoin the EU. And will have to deal with the border issues that come from being independent with England.... I'm all for the Union and I live in West Wales. Groups like these want independence at any cost. Just for the sake of hating the English. If we are going to leave the EU. (Which Welsh voted voted for,) then we need to stick together
TJR797 Because the Welsh people want to be free from English oppression and rule themselves.#YesCymru
Rouskey Carpel the English oppression? How have you been oppressed in your lifetime??
@@kingofthedaddys8012 I constantly face racism from the English whenever I go there, I am called Taff, Sheep Shagger and told my language should die. The Saes can go to hell.
Brogan Rees how is that oppression? I’m an Englishman living in Australia and I get called Pom. Doesn’t mean I’m oppressed
@@kingofthedaddys8012 Have you seen the mighty castles King Edward I built in Wales? The purpose of these castles was to oppress the Welsh population.
Dyla cymru fod ya indipendent
DYLA!
Proud to be British!! I love England & the English and I love Scotland & the Scottish.
You can still love them and similtaneously want Wales to thrive and prosper.
Liam, don’t you see your own narrow viewpoint by your reply? It’s not about hating anyone it’s about wales as a country or do you not want that?
Yes. And it's an awful idea.
Please explain to me how we would cope if England voted for independence, and gave us a timetable of 3 years to sort things out. Education, health, police, pensions, housing, infrastructure, loss of English based business's etc, and possibly a hard border between us and England. Financial services ,what currency would we use? Please don't tell me we will try and join the EU to bail us out. I want a strong Wales within the UK, the Welsh Assembly is not the answer.
Education and health are already managed by Wales. Housing 🤔 i guess we'd build more (truely) affordable homes. Financial services, there is a Welsh bank in the pipeline, currency, we'd continue as we are, particularly in the short term.
it is no wonder, with brexit and the chaos -farce in westminster, that independence in scotland-wales and irish unification* are all being discussed, even the unionists, must concede.....
that powers and privilges are centred in and around westminster,whitehall....
the city and coporation of london, unwritten traditions, the lack of transparency are disturbing,even a bannana republic seems more functional, than westminster.....
UK as centralised state, is not working or even ecomically viable, without radical changes, protests,marches,civil unrest,anger and fustration, high unemployment,lack of investment, in some of the already poorest regions for decades*...
scotland,northern ireland and gibraltar voted to remain in EU, england and wales voted too leave EU*, of course others say this was a UK wide referendum....and the vote should be respected* 17million for leave, and the 16million who voted too remain*....
so political divisions have already arisen,just over brexit*, also in the unwritten consitution of the UK westminster system*, devolution could be cancelled at anytime* with the powers returned too a dysfunctional and chaotic westminster*.....no that is no joke, its a westminster law*
the UK union jack* has no representation for wales-cornwall* cornish people whatsoever, being that these are orginal nations, at the very least they should be included, the same way that the royal flag....depicts the kingdom of scotland-ireland & england,but nothing welsh,let alone cornish*....
same goes with a UK & royal anthem* that is considered english, even mentioning ,historic anti scottish lyrics..... surely the UK and england should have seperate anthems...
and all national saints being observed holidays*..
the shameful situation, that many irish americans, and candians have recently talked about is that northern ireland* has no functioning government and that a northern irish party is in agreement with the tories,
surely this is at the very least ,is in total disregard for all religious-national & political comunities in northern ireland, not that anyone really cares,as northern ireland is at best neglected,and ignored...,being considered too poor and too small..... but even there, northern ireland has its own legal system,local issue currency and instiutions, that wales does not have....
please read adam price: wales* first and last colony of england....
imagine wanting to be independant to then just be ruled over by the eu instead haha, im welsh by the way..
Byddai trethu yn mynd lan petai Cymru'n annibynnol a phobl yn croesi'r ffin I Loegr I siopa.
The southern irish cross the boarder into NI all the time to shop and vice versa, they're managing ok and they have a much more tender relationship than we do with the english. Tax hikes are inecitable whether we stay or leave.
I dont want wales independent, i want to stay british so yeah. My opinion
We must get out of the EU first!!!
How is that relevant?
@@crose7412 we don't want to be ruled by Westminster then we shouldn't want to be ruled by the EU ether..
@@DylanJones-zc1cz We're not RULED by the EU, we're a member of the EU therefore we help to run it.
@@crose7412 EU laws overrule ours!!
@@DylanJones-zc1cz We help to write those laws!
The naivety in this video is off the charts. Cute, really.
All the time!
Annibyniaeth yn awr ! Cymru am byth !
Don't you worry guys. I'll keep coming back to comment. I've got nothing better to do in lockdown so yeah. Keep deleting my comments twpsyn.
The presenter sounds English.
Sounds English? Well, you can't distinguish accents.
He's clearly not English!
Mark Harrison, sounds English 😂😂😂
In your latest video you ask "who are you to make decisions for me" Well we're in the British...the ones that conquered you and built castles all over to enforce English law ...Just so you know😋
Independent wales is a bad future for people like me. Young and conservative! Totally against welsh independence, it would be disastrous!
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Yes, I have thought it, and I laughed. Those muppets in Cardiff couldn't run a p***-up in a brewery.
Complete and utter nonsense on every level.
I’d like to see all the counties in the uk independent and that means from the EU to. I want to see Ireland ,Northern Ireland, Wales, Scotland and possibly even England from an economic union similar to EU but with tighter borders. This would keep all the nations close but allow all the nations to go off on there own. 🏴
Let the Welsh be European!!!
There are much more people living in poor areas of England which all together add up to make more than Wales population! And the GDP per person isn’t true!
What is the actual GDP amount then?
That's nothing to be proud of. There is plenty of money in London, why isnt it being distributed more evenly?
@@z0zRAMCbecause all of these parties are advocating for independence, not actual systemic change, they are enabling by doing this
Cymru bomaye
I used to be a Welsh nationalist that believed in independence and for years voted for it at every election. But the last 22 years has changed my mind. My area is worse off through it.
Ffycio annibyddiaeth Cymru!! Rwy'n caru bod yn Prydeinig!!
Ffycio Annibyniaeth Cymru!!
Wales should never vote for independence! Union forever. Wales supports labour by majority which is a unionist party! So very unlikely indyref for Wales could ever happen which is good!
Labour cant actually win a general election without scotland, scotland are very unlikely to ever vote labour again. What use is a labour senedd with a tory central gov?? 🤔 #VotePlaid #VoteSensibly
@@z0zRAMC that’s isn’t true. In 1997 and 2001 labour would’ve won by a reduced majority!
@@Daniel-jy9so sorry, im confused by your reply. Labour did win in 97 and 2001, but both of those wins were with Scottish support. Since 2007 (i think) Scotland have been voting SNP, current predictions still show a majority support for SNP in Scotland. If you add up all the constituency seats for the UK, then minus all the scottish and NI seats, also take off the 8 seats that Wales are about to have taken off us in the upcoming jerrymandering, you will see its mathmatically impossible for labour to win in a general election. Labour is dead everwhere except south Wales. A labour Senedd is no good without labour in Westminster. It's sad, but true. The only way out of this mess is by voting plaid.
@@z0zRAMC what I mean is, is that even still would’ve won in 97 and 01 even if Scotland didn’t vote labour at all! Which they did obviously!
Nag, diolch
PRYDAIN AM BYTH!!!!!!!!
These "facts" about the wealth of the nation are guesses at best
@AndyH0024 You think governments don't collect and release data about their wealth?
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