Loose Tenon Jig Plus [video 493]
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- In this video is it my pleasure to introduce the latest 10MinuteWorkshop Loose #Tenon Jig, the LTJ+. Though functionally similar to the original #LooseTenon #Jig, the ‘plus’ is bigger, and it does more. Bigger, so it’s easier to use with larger routers, with wings for easier clamping and a clamping area ‘safe zone’ that’s clearly marked, and with rows of guide bush holes that makes boring holes on 32mm centres a breeze - perfect for shelf pins. Enjoy!
2023 update; this jig and the original were discontinued pending the launch of the latest veraion, the LTJ30, which is available at the 10MinuteWorkshop store at 10minute.shop, or follow the link on the ‘merchant shelf’ directly below the video.
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18mm Guide Bush (3D printed) for OF1010 router - etsy.me/3OuHYn8
Festool OF 1010 router - amzn.to/2tBmXk9 (US: amzn.to/2tigRT6)
Festool Midi bluetooth extractor - amzn.to/3q29VXI (US: 🤷♂️)
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1/4” shank x 5mm Carbide spiral upcut bit - www.rennietool.co.uk/collecti...
Festool Domino 5 x 30mm - amzn.to/2oTq5CZ (US: amzn.to/2oOqyrL)
Moldex 6810 in-ear defenders - amzn.to/2P2c5nP (US:amzn.to/2LgIsye)
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Bessey DuoKlamp - amzn.to/3eDz1Ig (US: amzn.to/3w1s1dM)
Festool lever clamp - amzn.to/2pOohLD (US: amzn.to/2pnFZIM)
Festool PDC 18/4 - amzn.to/2s3J0eq (US: amzn.to/2tWUHEL)
Festool T18 drill/driver - amzn.to/2QAHpK1 (US: amzn.to/2RPuOCR)
Spax screws - amzn.to/2oYWydc (US: amzn.to/2oOjkDT)
Bahco 6” combi square - amzn.to/2oumhX4 (US: amzn.to/2ouSg9k)
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Brilliant, I wish that I was making more cabinets instead of just one a year so that I could justify buying your jig. But I do enjoy your videos!
Congratulations Peter on bringing the jig (both versions) to fruition and good luck with sales. 👍🏻
Excellent piece of kit. Thank you.
I like this jig!Simplicity Is elegence.Good job.
Great product again Peter - excellent video.
having watch your work for a few years now, and your quest for efficiency, practical accuracy, simplicity as well as frugality, I presume your concept will have excellent uptake
Excellent video! Thanks. Good luck with the sales.
I got the LJT+ put it together and did some testing with it today. The LJT+ works as advertised cutting perfect slots for 5x19x30mm Domino Tenons. I didn't try any other sizes as this is my first foray into the Domino Loose Tenon and I am only looking to build simple cabinets until I get much better at woodworking. The test panels I was using fit together flawlessly, edges flushed up perfectly. The LJT+ jig is well made, easy to assemble, easy to use. I had the opportunity to chat a bit with Peter through Etsy messaging. You would be hard pressed to find a more honest, caring, professional person than Peter. I'm looking forward to making some great projects with this jig. Thanks Peter for everything
Wow, thanks so much Jesse! Great feedback, and an absolute pleasure to chat with you too! 🙌👍
Thanks Peter for another excellent video.
Good demonstration of the jig.
My jig arrived today, äh how do i say - excellent work, good quality 👍
Now still ŵaiting for 1/4" collar, as i live in Germany only got 6 + 8mm.
Cannot wait using the jig!
Thanks Michael! Enjoy!
Awesome. Love how this product design has evolved out of your actual experience.
Thanks! 👍
Just had mine delivered, great looking upgrade and the bag for it is a nice touch.
Thanks Peter! 🙌👍👍
Got mine the other day, have to say it’s a brilliant piece of kit. Top quality materials and so simple to use. It’s nota £900 domino but it’s not far off, bloody brilliant.
Great work on the loose tenoning jig Peter! Thanks for sharing the video with us!👍💖😎JP
Excellent! and managed to get one bought this time! thanks Peter!
Woo hoo! Thanks Paul! 👍
I love my original jig! - Maybe I need this one too!
There’s a bundle just for folks upgrading - Plus jig & shelf pin bit. 👌👍
Peter I just really love and respect how you have utilized your experience and knowledge to make this product, meaning both the jig and the series of videos teaching people how to use it. I don't know. I just have no words for how valuable the knowledge you share is, together with a product like this. I know you did not do it alone and have had lots of input. But you are clearly the hub in this process. Thanks and cheers.
Thanks Goran! That’s really kind of you to say! There’s a lot more of me in this version than the first, but the foundations laid for the initial DIY version were definitely a team effort! Thank you! 🙌👍
Great video. Great looking jig. Almost makes me wish I was a Festool metric woodworker.
Love your work 👍
Already built an alcove cupboard at my sons home to house his hi-fi. Could probable do with the ‘winged’ version as my 30 year old 1/4” ELU has a broken collet which is proving really hard to replace. It’s the big boy router now. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Love the wings.
Thank you Peter,I am now £128.00down,,which I will have to explain to the boss. who I told I was not buying any more tools.
Great video looking forward to using it.👍👍
Thank you! 🙌👍
Looks very good value for bundle.
You said it all at the end. If only you had the jig when you were working for all those years. Looking very good. Like the white laminate surface which should make the over use of glue an easy clean up. Yes we have all got glue where it shouldn't have been.
Great video Peter, it's nice to see the progression of your jig. You can definitely tell it has been well thought out by a maker, look forward to getting one.
Hi Peter, I've made many cabinets and despite being a fan of biscuit joints I think you've developed a very nice looking jig which I am very tempted to buy, especially because of the simple shelf pin functionality you've added. Thanks for doing this. Cheers and keep up the good work.
Thanks Kevin! The Plus jigs are sold out at the moment, but they’ll be back in stock next week. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop do you have a link for the jig thanks
looks good, great Jig!
These clamping wings will be a great help - based on my experience of using my trusty Elu router with the original. I think I'll use my dowel jig to add some. :-). These jigs deserve to be a huge success.
Thanks Norman! 👍
Hi Peter - Excellent video and excellent jig. I know you have really good extraction on you router but I really would recommend that you wear a dust mask when using MDF. It produces very fine dust which is dangerous. I think you should also recommend it in your videos. Great work !!!
This is such a cool product. Can’t wait to try it
Thanks Luke! 🙌👍
An excellent upgrade to the original LTJ and very well thought out. The ability of this jig to also create shelf pin holes at 32mm centres is ingenious and included in the £85 price is even more amazing, when you think of the eye watering cost of the Festool LR32 system, I suspect there will be some gnashing of teeth at Festool UK when they see this one!
Thanks Dawn! LR32 is a great system, just beyond the reach of many, unfortunately. 🤷♂️👍
Very nice!
With the template I thought it would be tedious. But for the user, for whom it is intended, it is an enormous relief. I hope I was able to express myself understandably. Greetings from Schaumburg
Apart from originally struggling to find an 18mm guide bush to fit my Makita 1/4” router (although, a 3D printed version sounds great!), the previous version has been a great purchase. Once I got used to it and stopped fumbling around, it’s been a fantastic addition to my workflow and I can only imagine that anyone needing the plus version, will be just as happy. With the versatility of this jig, I’d highly recommend to anyone buying, that you assemble the jig with machine screws and threaded inserts.
Thanks Chris! The machine screws and threaded inserts are included with all the jigs as standard now. 👍👍
Really nice mate 👍
Cheers Dan! 👍
Well they’re selling pretty fast😳😳 glad I got my order in today
Yep, selling well, so far! And thanks! 🙌👍
Good on yer Peter! 😁 Hope your sales take off at an immense rate mate!👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍😎😎😎😎😎
Thanks Alan! 👍
Thank you Peter for the excellent delivery of the improved domino's jig yesterday.👍
Looking forward to having my First go at using the domino's.
Just a little little thing you could improved on.
Is to have the holes pre drilled for the threaded inserts.
You have premium quality jig all cnc produce for accuracy,so you don't really want to start drilling holes yourself as a customer. 👍👍
Thank you. Pre-drilling the holes for the threaded inserts would add a completely disproportionate amount of cost to the jig, unfortunately - it is something I looked at, but it’s a very laborious process as CNC machines don’t drill edges without considerable manual intervention. And in all honesty, my take on it was that if you’re capable of using the jig, you’d also be capable of drilling a couple of holes. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Thanks your your reply .👍
I thought it would be the added cost.
Yes I am capable of drilling holes,I have used these threaded inserts on numerous occasions,but then again some people might not have.👍
Like I said this is not me having a pop at you.
Just a observations. 👍
Once again thank you for designing this jig.
Guess I first need me one of those plunge routers and MFT tables :)
Here in Oz we are offered '5mm' and '6mm' shelf pins, which turn out to be 3/16" and 1/4" when you check them closely. But you have little chance of finding solid carbide router bits in anything other than 1/4"(6.35mm) or 1/2"(12.7mm) locally, all the other sizes are made for metal milling machines intended to fit their standard collet systems where the bit is parallel from end to end.
I've usually used a drill mounted in a pretty cheap sprung frame (possibly Wolfcraft) that I've had for decades. Brad bits work best and very well - used them for many years
I've never seen the 1/4" pins sold as 6mm. But I agree finding a 5mm cutter here is difficult.
On aliexpress you can get 5mm and 6mm cutter on 6mm shaft.
That is a very good price for the jig i think that will sell very well
Awesome 👍 I wish you every success with this Peter. A domino machine is unrealistic for a lot of people's needs and this totally solves that
Thank you! 👍
Nice jig
Aaaah! Recently got my mark 1 and haven't used it yet due to change of priorities of what to work on and not yet fixing my Trend T4 router. Looks excellent. If daughter's house purchase goes through, I should have lots of reasons for getting it and she's keen to learn from me and do stuff herself
Excellent! There’s an upgrade bundle available with the plus jig & shelf pin bit. 👍👍
Update. Turned out my T4 was still in guarantee. Trend excellent arranging to pick up the faulty one and supplying a replacement. Hope to test the jig next week and recommend Trend's after sales
Just bought mine!!!
Thanks! 🙌
@@10MinuteWorkshop seems like I got in just in time! As a small hobby woodworker jigs like this really help. A festool domino is kinda pricey as you know.
excellent!
Great invention Peter - would have saved me buying a domino if it was available a year ago 🤣 As you say, the lack of an 18 mm setting on the domino can be a bit of a pain - this is a great way to avoid that.
The plus jig looks like a great addition to your range. My thoughts were with the original jig not enough clamping room. This one with the additional features worth the extra in my opinion
Looks to be a really good well thought out jig by someone who has worked on cabinets in a small workshop 👍🏻
Perhaps you could use a loose tenon to install some clamping wings on the loose tenon jig by using a loose tenon jig
@@frittferro123 very good 😊
In fairness if I were doing it I would probably use my domino.
But I stick with my comments larger clamping area does look like a great improvement 👍🏻
Great stuff. Ordered already, the wings are a great upgrade. Last time I used the original I had to resort to using the peanut jig to cut the mortise on the face edge of a board because of trouble clamping. I found the result was inferior to using your jig, so looking forward to receiving the new version.
Thanks Peter. What size router was that with out of interest? The original jig was meant for 1/4” routers like the Trend T4 and the Festool OF1010, just curious what was bigger than the Festool - assuming that was the issue. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop It wasn't the router, Makita DRT50Z, but rather the larger base that I have fitted to it.
5x30 MM is my go to from 18 mm stock.
Looks like a great product Peter, and you deserve many sales. Shame I had my kidny removed and bought a Domino... ha ha. Can't believe I have been a Patreon subscriber for 4 years.
Thanks Paul! I don’t know anyone who’s regretted buying a Domino - though the loss of a kidney may sting for a while! 😂👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop 😂😂
Awesome. I’m in.
Hi Peter, I bought the version 1 jig in preparation for me setting up a small workshop in my garage. However, thanks to work and Covid it’s going to take a while. I haven’t unpacked it yet and would prefer the plus version- can I return to exchange for an upgrade and pay the difference?
Hello Peter - Perfect timing. I have some projects I want to do and was struggling with whether to purchase the Festool DF-500 or not. I'm thinking that your jig will give me an opportunity to save some money while completing the projects I want to do. I bought the Jig Full Bundle Kit and cannot wait to give it a go. Thanks!
Thank you! 👍🙌
Another great video - would you usually clamp up the cabinet using squares to ensure it's square ??
Thanks Peter. TBH I’m pretty confident that a small cabinet like that will be square, but as a general rule with anything bigger - or critical - I’d clamp a square into one corner, just to be sure yes. 👍
Could you add a non slip surface to the underside, like on the track saw.
Regards Bill
Hi I have the full kit plus? (for some time) with the all the toys however I have suffered a router failure. What are people recommendations for a 'new' small routers to use just the jig (mains or battery)? Thanks
Hell yeah bruv. Get it
I don't know how long the 4mm spiral up cut bit you mentioned would need to be but I have been using the Rennie Tool Company for up and down cut bits (since you inspired me to have a go at a major MDFproject for a very fussy client - my daughter) which have been excellent and they have a range of sizes
Thanks! They’re Rennie tools bits that I supply 👌👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Have you tried any of their multitool blades?
I love this! One challenge I have is that I can’t seem to find a guide bush for my OF1400. The one I currently have has an external diameter of 21mm and it doesn’t seem that Festool makes a snap-on bushinh that’s 18mm. Any suggestion on what 18mm guide bush I can use for the OF1400?
There’s a UJK set that works with the OF1400 that includes an 18mm. Otherwise you can get 3D printed options on Etsy and eBay I use an Etsy one in my OF1010. 👍👍
I loved this concept when you first showed it and bought the plans but haven’t yet made it. I will definitely be adding wings.
Two questions - Can you offer a lead on where to get the guide pins and as you didn’t mention peanuts I assume that you are sticking with dominoes and the flexibility of the wider middle slot
Thanks! I like the wiggle room that dominos allow with the wider slot, but I’ve tested the original jig with peanut connectors and they worked well. You can pick up the guide pins off Amazon or eBay - they’re called clevis pins. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Hi Peter, out in the US Midwest cattle country a “Cleve’s pin” will get you a different beast. Nice jig! You really skinned that cat!
Excellent Peter. Been waiting for this to decide which one to buy. Do you know if that guide bush fits a Makita Cordless trim router (same as your Katsu I believe)?
No, you need a different bush, same as the Katsu you can either buy a brass set on eBay for ~£20, or a 3D printed one-off on Etsy for about £6 👍
Thanks. I thought that would be the case. I have a set which I think fit but I have not yet used or tested them. But at least I know not to add one to my order :-)
peter, does the new jig have a very thin laminate on one side----it "looks" whiter than the original? i just completed a very large vanity for my grandsons bathroom with "LOTS" of dominoes positioned with my new LTJ and it performed as well as a $1070 festool albeit a little slower thanx again rick
Thanks Rick! It’s melamine-faced Birch ply, yes. 👌
I’m just starting out as a diyer and I want to build some cabinets for my tools so this is definitely something I’m going to buy.
Can I just ask where in the UK do people tend to buy their materials from?
I buy from a local yard, www.ajferguson.co.uk. Great yard, great people. 👍
Brilliant kit Peter. Will you have some with you at Makers Central? If so I'll definitely be coming to purchase a kit from you.
That’s the plan, yes. 👍👍
Brilliant. See you there
Upgrade to the jig looks well thought out. Must be doing very well with, looks like you're wearing a brand-new shirt in this video...
Thanks! And it’s a loaner… 😂😂
Hi Peter, firstly not only are your numerous 10 minute workshops a delight to watch but now you seem to be on the way to being a jig master designer, can we look forwards to MFT jigs and other stuff?
Another question I would like your view on is if cabinets are fitted together on site would you have a problem glueing onto pre sprayed panels with domino's?
Keep up the great work.
Thanks Simon. Yes, TH-cam - like life - is a journey, not a destination. More jigs and products to come, certainly. And no, no issue at all gluing and clamping pre-finished panels, I’ve done it literally thousands of times. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Thanks Peter I wish I could justify a Domino but with limited use it's a tough one, but your jig seems like a brillant buy without the large price tag, a thought of a mini jig for smaller work with some type of clamping at the rear to sort the issues of clamps in the way when routing would be a interesting concept, I bet you are being bombarded by ideas 🤔Cheers Simon
Hi Peter, Great work as always. I have had a look on your Etsy store but I cant see the jig. Has it sold out? When might it be available again?
Hi and thanks! I’ve moved away from Etsy for physical products - there is a note to that effect on the storefront, it they don’t make it very prominent! If all the planets have aligned, the new store should be visible directly below this video, or at 10minute.shop if you prefer it. 👍👍
Hi Peter Great job! Being that I live in the U.S., is there any chance you would design a jig for us to use across the pond?
Thanks! I'm chatting with a few people about having an imperial version made for the metric-averse, yes! 😂 But in all seriousness, provided you can get an 18mm guide bush to fit your router the jig will work fine with 3/4' material 👍
I like this jig, but it has two issues:
- it is tightly coupled to the thickness of the material, your demos are done with one thickness only. Same jig needs to be made in various thicknesses with a template bit (which is not too bad).
- dust extraction doesn't work ver well (or not at all), and this is mainly because of the guide bush, and not because of the jig itself. MDF dust is also stickier than solid wood.
Your jig inspired me, and I did some modifications to improve dust collection and make it work with stock 1/2" - 3" in thickness. With mine, I can also adjust the length of the mortise.
I would be happy to share with you if you are interested, maybe you can help perfect it even further.
Peter, I have just received mine and looking forward to using it. One question, can I use it with a bigger router cutter to use bigger dominos say 8mm. Thanks Simon
Hi Simon and thanks for letting me know! Yes, absolutely - as I say on the assembly guide and videos, it will work with all the domino sizes with the appropriate bits and plunge depths. 👍👍
damn, that's clever...
hi peter can this be used with 12mm mdf? enjoy your content
Thanks! This jig was discontinued earlier in the year, replaced by the current LTJ30 - launch video 535 here, th-cam.com/video/enGVfEwD-Tc/w-d-xo.html - but to answer your question, while the loose tenon jigs are designed to centre a loose tenon in 18mm stock, they will work with thinner material if packed out, or thicker stock if you can live with an off-centre mortise. Hope that helps! Peter
Would the jig be capable of having the microjig dovetail tracks at say 60 degree's offset in the wing sections to give you a routing surface with no clamps in the way?
Don’t know. I have some of the micro jigs coming, so I’ll find out more then. 👍
I noticed you lined up the jig for shelf holes buy eye . Is that the case or does the jig use a reference edge on side too? I suspect the Jig has even more design potential for cabinet like addition of a 35mm hole for hinges and a few drill hole templates for that too ..You might add a reference for a 96mm template to make a DIY MFT in it ..
Not really 'by eye' - as I say in the vid the jig aligns with the edge of the workpiece to give the 'standard' 37mm set-back for the shelf-pin holes. I aligned the edge by feel, but you could use a stop against the edge if you really needed to. I looked at options like 35mm holes for concealed hinges and 20mm holes on 96mm centres, but they all added complexity to what is a fairly simple dual-purpose jig - loose tenons and shelf-pin holes - and any benefits that those extra functions might have brought were also outweighed or compromised by them, too. 👍
Looks brilliant Peter - great innovation and development! Just...please don't tell my wife about it as 3 weeks ago I spent a grand on a DF500 and associated gubbins!
Thanks Colin! And I've never met anyone who bought a Domino and regretted it; apart from when they had to 'fess up to the other half... 😬👍👍
Hi Peter, can you use it for dowels too? And if yes makes sense to make a video about it. Thanks in advance for your answer.
Regards, Vivi
Yes absolutely. I don’t have a drilling guide, but I’ve used the router and guide bush to make dowelled joints. I did a short about it, and also about using the peanut connector with the jig. 👍👍
I’ve just gone on your Etsy store to check it out can’t seem to find a new one that you’ve just done the demonstration with. Any ideas when it might become available I was after the full bundle with all the extra bits and pieces
Thanks Nathan. The first run sold out very quickly, and the second run went to makers central. The remainder should be back and in the store this week. 👍
Peter, spring time in the air and I'm about to build the Versailles planters from the video you published a few years ago.
After using them for a while, is there anything you want to change in the design?
Hi Nicklaus. No they’ve held up just fine. No issues with them at all. 👍👍
Very clever jig, Peter, but provision for a door hinge? :)
One thing at a time Byron! And thanks! 👍
At least you are still using a Festool to cut the mortises with this jig. 😉
Hi Peter I’ve bought one of these jigs and I can’t find an 18mm guide for my festool 1400 router. Do you happen to know where one can be had, preferably without 3d printing? Thanks and love the jog
Hi, and thanks! There's no Festool OEM 18mm bush for the OF1400, but there's a UJK one - either individually or as a metric set - available from Axminster tools that someone I know uses with the OF1400. I dont have an OF1400 - maybe I should get one! 😯 😬 HTH, and thanks! Peter
@@10MinuteWorkshop Hi Peter, thank you for the reply. After an hour of googling I can’t find said UKJ accessory. I can see that they do one for the smaller 1010 router. My plan B is turning one up on my lathe, which won’t take very long and since I live in New Zealand the delivery time from the UK is a week at least anyway. I’m just posting this in case anyone else has solved this dilemma, or in case this helps someone else solve theirs. For future designs could I humbly suggest using a more common guide size. Best wishes and great to see your channel taking off.
Quick question ... PM usually makes his cabinets from MRMDF, but how does loose tenon joinery in MDF compare with in ply ?
It’s a little tougher on the bits, but the bit that’s supplied with the starter pack is a really good, a solid carbide spiral upcut. I’ve been using the same one since I started making these jigs! 👌👍
Hi Peter. Do you know whether the Trend 18mm guide bush that comes in the kit fits the DeWalt 18v router? Please and thank you 🙂
Depends which Dewalt router. Trend use an old Elu/Dewalt standard, but Dewalt have gone away from that with some of their lines. Best starting point is to see if the OEM has an 18mm bush, then look at 3rd party guides. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Okeydokes, will do. Thank you.
Would be nice to have a separate and longer shelf-pin hole jig, as well.
I thought about it, but TBH there are other commercial solutions for that. 🤷♂️👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Yes, thank you, some of these I know already, but this one seems much easier and faster to set up and use. So I'd buy one definitely!
Are loose tenons really THAT much better than dowels? I have only recently gotten into woodworking and I could see it going either way.
I go through the pros and cons in Loose Tenon Basics [video 481] - th-cam.com/video/t86QGUn7dAI/w-d-xo.html and Dowel Jig Basics [video 441] - th-cam.com/video/zTj_hiEVfvw/w-d-xo.html
The long and short of it is that dowels are cheap and readily available but demand precision in use and if you want to avoid rotation then you need to use at least two per joint, which negates the cheapness to a large extent. Loose tenons cost more than dowels but each tenon has twice the gluing area of a similarly-sized (or next size up) dowel, no rotation issues and they’re a precise connector that lets you work loosely. 👍👍
hi peter could the shelf pin holes (with the right router cutter and bush) be used for for making dog holes?
No, not on this jig. It’s something I looked at, but decided against as it made everything unduly complex and compeomised.
@@10MinuteWorkshop cheers
How did you align the centre mortices accurately without an edge to make it accurate?
In this video it was against an edge, but for a mid-panel mid-carcass fixing for eg a shelf, you just bear the jig against a batten or straight edge - as I did when putting in the shelf-pin holes - and lining the centre marks against a pencil line. You can screw the jig down through the holes either side of the middle cut-out - any marks are hidden by the panel. If that’s not clear I showed the whole process in the previous video for the regular loose tenon jig - link in description. 👍👍
Fabulous! Great additions allowing hobbyists to similar (enough) results to a Domino and LR32 without the eye-bleeding cost. The Etsy store doesn't show the Plus, is it temporary stock-out, or is it discontinued?
Thank you! My fulfilment guys are away for a week, so I’ve taken them down temporarily as I didn’t want orders place to be unfulfilled for a week. They’ll be back up in the store next weekend, for fulfilment early the week after. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Outstanding, thank you sir. Patreon next. Your videos have been INVALUABLE to me as a new maker. Makita tracksaw in hand, MFT top on order. I had no idea what one can do with strips of MDF and some double-stick tape!
Genius.... I have a question: Are you working on version 3???
Of course! And thanks! 🙌👍
Hi Peter. Will the earlier (cheaper/basic) jig be back in-stock any time soon?
Hi. No, I’m sorry - they’re discontinued now; Birch ply is still too expensive, and making it from the new material to accommodate the 30mm guide bush was too costly to machine. And honestly, it was never that popular once the plus jig came out. I do have a few ‘old stock or cosmetic seconds’ on a shelf and I’ll be giving those away to 10MW Plus members in one of the regular member giveaways before too long, but there are a few others to get through before then so I’m not sure when this will be exactly. 👍
Thanks for the response@@10MinuteWorkshop That's a shame, but of course totally understand re. cost of materials. The 'plus' jig certainly looks great!
Unfortunately I can't find an 18 bush guide for my of1400. Still great jig!
Thanks. Axminster tools do a UJK set with an 18mm bush, otherwise there’s a veritas adapter but it gets a bit spendy. I’ve just bought an OF1400, so it’s something I’ll be looking at. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Thanks!
Hi Peter
Hope you are well my mate
Will you be selling this jig at the Birmingham show when you go ?
Great video mate 👍
Hi Carl! Yes, I expect to have a few of them there. 👍👍
does it ship to Taiwan? I can only find the plan on the store but not the completed product.
I’ll ship anywhere, but the LTJ+ is out of stock pending a next-gen release. 👍
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Peter, the link to your etsy doesn't seem to work? Thanks 👍
Missed off the thanks for pointing it out. All good now 👍
Ok, I purchased the loose tenon jig, but the 18mm bushing does not fit any of my routers. I live in the USA. is the hole pattern on Trend a "UK" standard? It is a great little gadget though.....
Hi, and thanks for the purchase. The Trend guide bush is based on the classic Elu, then Dewalt standard, so it's pretty widely used, though many router manufacturers like to go their own way with guide bush design and fitting. There's a couple of options; Trend do make a 'universal sub base' to adapt their guide bushes to other routers - not sure if that's readily available in the US - or you can make a plywood sub base up pretty easily. Not sure which router you have but if it uses the Porter Cable 'two brass rings' style of guide bush then I've only seen them available here for the Katsu trim router, but there's definitely an 18mm available for them.
The other option is to get a 3D printed one; I'll paste some links to those for some of the common routers below, OK? Thanks, Peter
18mm Guide bushes - 3D printed
Festool OF1010 - www.etsy.com/uk/listing/1186255013/festool-of-1010-18mm-guide-bush
Makita - www.ebay.co.uk/itm/144526271266
DeWalt - www.ebay.co.uk/itm/144526482364
Bosch - www.ebay.co.uk/itm/224458468111?mkcid=1&mkrid=710-53481-19255-0&siteid=3&campid=5338505844&customid=&toolid=20012&mkevt=1
@@10MinuteWorkshop Thanks for the quick reply! I am using a dewalt palm router (newish design). I will figure something out. thanks!
Hi, where we can find this to buy or plans to buy? Thank you
From the video description:- “2023 update; this jig and the original were discontinued pending the launch of the latest veraion, the LTJ30, which is available at the 10MinuteWorkshop store at 10minute.shop, or follow the link on the ‘merchant shelf’ directly below the video.”
There are also plans available, bur for a simplified version of the loose tenon jig. Thanks, P
I've also found that shelf pins are too small for a 5mm hole. But I already have a jig so: can anybody advise where I can get shelf pins that actually ARE 5mm, rather than merely being advertised as such?
They are; as I mention in the vid. you need a 4.76mm bit for a snug fit with "5mm" shelf pins. I supply one in the starter pack plus, or you can get them individually from Rennie tools. 👍