Next-Gen Loose Tenon Jig - LTJ30 [video 535]
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ก.ค. 2023
- In this video it’s my pleasure to introduce the next generation of the 10MW Loose Tenon Jig, the LTJ30
If you don’t know the back story I did a video about a DIY loose tenon jig a couple of years ago, it took about six months to wrestle a flat-pack cnc version of that jig into production and a second larger or Plus version of that jig followed about a year after that.
This new version combines the simple functionality of the original jig together with the shelf-pin goodness of the Plus jig, but in a new material and using a more readily available 30mm guide bush, hence the new name - the LTJ30.
Most of the first run has already sold but you can preorder at 10minute.shop, or on the ‘merchant shelf’ directly below the video.
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Other videos of interest:-
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Brilliant work, Peter! Fantastic looking jig!!! 😃
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Thanks, you too! 🙌👍
Congrats Peter, the very best of luck with the new version!
Thanks Dean! 🙌👍
Always love watching your work organization and logical approach, well lit and narration perfect(can it get any better than that!) cheers rr Normandy, France
Thanks Richard! 👍
Thanks for sharing!!
Can’t wait to get my hands on this great tool!
Thanks! 👍
Ordered mine yesterday, can't wait to play with it
Thanks! 👍
Lubly jubly Rodney me old kipper.
Love the simplicity of use.
Thanks.
Looks very nice Peter!
Thanks Dave! 👍
Brilliant! yet another thing I have to buy😃. I really like what you have done with this and looks like an amazingly simple to use and versatile jig.
Now this may just be me or my diminishing eyesight, but I found my Peanut jig much easier to use freestyle on pencil lines by extending the line from the jig through the cutout with a fine Japanese saw. So that it actually would meet with the line on the work piece thus avoiding any parallax effect.
Thanks! Unfortunately those kind of ‘line extensions’ onto the edge of the jig are really expensive to machine as it’s a(nother) separate process. 🤷♂️👍
WOW! I thing this is the first video I've seen where 10 minutes was more than enough. Excellent update to the jig. Using your original jig. I flip the jig around to do Tight at the front and then loose on the remainder down the caucus. It's a little bit fidding but it lines up every time.
Thanks! 🙌👍
Looking good Peter.
Thanks Karl! Good, and early! 🤦♂️😂
Nice looking product
Thanks! 👍
It looks great. At that price I bet people will love it.
I hope so! 😂👍
Thanks, I hope so! 😂👍
Thanks, I hope so! 😂👍
Nice work
Thanks! 👍
Nice tool sir!
Thanks! 🙌👍
Much better durability with high pressure laminate! Looks great
Ordered mine and it’s shipped already!!!
Well, the label’s been printed, at least… 😂 First public orders shipped Friday pm. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop just got an email saying my package has left the UK!!!
Good luck with this jig version.
Thanks! 👍
Nice one Peter. You've sorted what would be my only criticism - standard 30mm bush compatible.👍 Funny, I've never actually used my plus jig to make a cabinet. Do use it on every one of my coffee/side tables though - 22mm stock. Excellent affordable widget. Every success with the new one mate.🙌
Thanks Stew! 👍👍
Jig looks very well made.
I bought a similar jig from another youtuber but its made from MR mdf, its a good jig but the appearance of bare mdf makes it feel like I could have made it myself.
Thanks! Yes, the material makes a big difference to how it’s perceived eg a finished product vs a kit of parts. 👍
This is fantastic. Well done. Ordered. For my (non-production) purposes, replaces a Domino 500 and LR32 for less than a 1/10th the price.
Thanks! 🙌👍
I thought the jig looked different in the last video. Looks like a winner.
Thanks! Yes, it’s an all-round improvement! 👍👍
Чудовий шаблончик, мені дуже подобаються такі прості, але помічні речі.
Looks great, Peter. I think my horrendous Ryobi plunge router actually has a 30mm template guide (better measure it) but I cannot get consistent depth settings out of it... ah perhaps with a bit more practice I'll get there
Nice!
Great work Peter, looks like a very well thought out jig. Still funny though to see you using all Festool tools on a tool that replaces the Domino!
Thanks! 😂 I like to think that it introduces people to the Domino concept… 😆👍👍
Hi Peter. I purchased the earlier plus version and liked everything coming in the black bag. However I did think that you missed a trick.
When I purchased something from Ralph at Benchdogs, his bag was branded with this. I think branding your bags would have really taken my 10 out of 10 rating up to 11.
I’m working on it. Should be ready for the next batch. 👍👍
You might be the first really “killer” replacement for the festool domino. For the same money (less maybe?) buy this and the festool router vs buying the domino. Two tools for the price of one. I’m sure the domino still makes the best sense for a production shop, but for the hobbiest /amateur level its a spot on solution.
Thanks! Actually, yes, an OF1400 at ~£600 and this jig is less than a Domino! 👍
You should definitely make a cabineo version of this !
I hadn’t considered that - I’ll look into it! Thanks! 👍🙌
I hadn’t considered that - I’ll look into it! Thanks! 👍🙌
Edit: If you don't know what is a cabineo, like me, just search for it :)
That’s a GREAT idea
I'm afraid I've been a cheapscate & built a copy of this jig to see how much I use it. The fit & finish won't be as tight as your product. If I find I'm using it often then I might release the moths from my wallet & order one.
One suggestion for future models. Would it not make sense to flip it over in the same way as for the shelf pin holes, with the holes for the guide pins on the other face, rather than dissassembling the jig for cutting the mid panel loose tenons?
Or cut the counter sink on both faces so you can do it either way.
I've also not worked out what the two holes near the depth gague are for.
AM PM we have all done it!
IKR? 🤦♂️🤷♂️👍
I'm interested in the recommendation you made on using a 4.76mm (3/16ths inch) bit for the pins. I've certainly had issues with shelf pins being loose, but a 4.9mm bit would seem closer to what is required for a snug fit (not saying that is easily found.) Isn't that a bit too tight? Also, what type of bit is it? The festool bit(s) has that brad point that reduces tear out, is yours similar or just a plain router bit?
The one I supply is a spiral upcut bit - similar to those used in a CNC - and the ‘5mm’ shelf pins I’ve measured have all come in at closer to 4.8mm, so a 4.76 fits pretty nicely. The jig is available without the bits so anyone can use their own preferred supplier. 👍
Hi Peter,
Really love this Jig and was actually looking at the Tenon Jig Plus as I want to connect two 2.4 mtr length laminate 28mm thick kitchen worktops together side by side. Its for my workbench. But one thing I was looking at which I think would be a huge benefit and extra selling point. Is by using the holes on the plus version. Could you use and add additional holes in the centre in production, so that it could be a small template to make an MFT top? This would be such a great option and give even more be efits to what is already a fantastic tool. Just don’t fancy spending in my case nearly £200 for a UKJ mft tool.
Just an idea and something I would by in a heart beat for even more money.
Take care Peter 👍
Hi Mark, and thanks. I’ve looked into the option of combining MFT ability into this jig and decided against it as it would be terribly compromised - slow to use, and with questionable accuracy, as you’d need so many moves of the jig to cover a full too. I do have an MFT solution coming before too long though, so keep your eyes peeled for that. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Hi Peter, totally understand and I guess the accuracy with such a small jig would be questionable? Really looking forward to that coming up though and will definitely look to buy this new LTJ 30. 👍👍 take care Peter and good luck with the house remods 🤞👍
Hi. Great job. Please can you advice on router bit/s maybe some links and recommendations?? Thanks
Link to the store is in the description. 👍
Question, when you build like this do you just clamp and glue no extra nails or screws? is that sufficient? for kitchen cabinets including wall cabinets?
It’s plenty strong enough just glued and clamped, though on a run of kitchen cabinets there’s no harm in adding a mechanical fixing in there on the internal faces. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop I was thinking mechanical fixings inside bit the exposed sides to avoid having to fill to do it this way
It’s late but the 10MW video is early. Really like the look of this Peter. Just the one option from now on?
Thanks Ian. Yes, early release - I’m seeing the doctor about it, lol! And yes, this is the ‘one true version’ from now on. 👍
Happy New Year Peter and Team. I just purchased the loose tenon 30 jig off you, what would be a suitable router to use with the tenon jig. Many thanks.
Happy new year, and thanks! You can use any plunge router that takes a standard 30mm guide bush. 👍👍
Looks great. Are you going to release digital plans for this jig like you did the original?
Thanks. No, there were/are plans available in the store for a DIY loose tenon jig, but it’s not the jig that was available for purchase; I’ve never offered plans for a product that I’m actually offering for sale. 👍
Is this available in America? Or is this already available? Either way I like it and want one. Thanks for taking the time to develop this.
I’ll ship it pretty much anywhere, first batch has pretty much sold out now, second back should be out and shipping in a few weeks time, and you can pre-order now at 10minute.shop, or through the store ‘shelf’ directly beneath the video. 👍
I had to go back twice. At 4:07, you really did say to use a 4.76mm bit. 😢 pretty sure I’ll have to mortgage the house to get one of them, … or maybe I’ll get some yank to send me a 1/8”. 😂
4.76 is 5/16” and they’re about £15 for the one that I supply in the starter pack plus, if bought individually. That’s for a nice solid carbide spiral upcut bit. 👌
Are the rectangular cutouts compatible with the peanut 2 drill guides? i.e. same size as their mini jig?
That’s a great question and honestly I don’t know; probably not, as it just wasn’t a consideration when I designed this, but I’ll check when I’m back in the workshop. 👍
Do you envisage problems in using this for a table top glue up to align the individual boards? The domino’s would be off centre in the thicker material but not sure that would be a big issue. Thanks!
The only thing I'd be slightly cautious about would be cutting the mortices into the edges; as long as the boards aren't too big or you can support them vertically, then there's be no issue with alignment. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop❤thanks Peter!
@@10MinuteWorkshop Hi Peter, jig just arrived and it looks fab. Many thanks!
Bit late to the party but i’ve just got this jig. One thing i miss from the earlier version is the lack of ability to reference slots using the depth guide. To accommodate a 30mm guide bush, this slot is now too wide to fit loose tenons. Might be handy if there was some sort of insert to make this feature work?
Hi there. Yes, it was a consequence of moving to the 30mm guide bush; I did consider a stepped slot - wide enough at the top for a guide bush, but stepped to fit the domino, but the lack of consistency in guide bush depths meant that it added more complexity to cut the jig than I felt was warranted, and after a bit of research it turned out that almost nobody I asked used that feature; you are actually the first person to mention it after a year of the LTJ30 being on sale, which kind of proves the point!
As for an insert, it's a 19mm domino in a 30mm slot; if you're not comfortable eyeballing that - bearing in mind that the slot you're cutting is +/- a couple of mm wider than the Domino you're using - then a 5x30 Domino on end acts as a pretty good packer, and if it's something you do a lot then you could make up a simple jig from two Dominos and a crosspiece glued onto the ends. Given the overall lack of enthusiasm for that particular feature though, it's not something I'll be looking at supplying with the jig. Hope that makes sense.
Best, Peter
good work there, I am tempted to purchase one but I'm a bit concerned that I won't be able to use my router with it, I have a trend t7 1/2" router for bigger work and a battery ryobi palm router which can't be used as a plunge router, it was this smaller palm router i was hoping to use with the jig. do you think it will be possible?
Thanks. You need a plunge router, or a router with a plunge base. This jig is made with larger routers in mind, so the T7 should be OK with it. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop I can use 1/4" shank bits with it so that might be ok, ill order the jig I think 👍, I would like a festool 1010 like yours but they are a lot of money, can you recommend a similar size one from a cheaper brand (Mac-allister etc)
Peter. Do you have a link for the 6x30 loos tenons from Trend you mentioned please.
Turns out they’re slightly delayed and don’t launch until August. 😬👍
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A top quality product Peter! Did you release this at midnight like Apple phones or a Harry Potter book????
Cheers Danny! Yes, accidental early release - it happens as you get older… 😂🤷♂️
@@10MinuteWorkshop YOUR NAME IS PETER!
@@10MinuteWorkshop 🤣🤣try edging🤣🤣
Hi Peter i have a palm router with a plunge base ( Makita ) , can i use this on your loose tenon jig. Cheers.
Yes, absolutely, just be aware that these plunge bases for palm routers aren’t always the most accurate. 👍
My jig should arrive tomorrow- can’t wait. Just a quick question,: when would you go from 2 domino’s to 3(or more) on a joint using 5x 30 domino’s?
My general rule of thumb was 2 for a bookcase, 3 for a carcass or cabinet. Don’t think I ever used more than 3 on a cabinet. 👍
Thank you - good to know
what material is the jig made out of is it wood or a plastic material
Looks like melamine faced black mdf
It’s a product called CompacMel - a very dense fibreboard with a melamine finish. 👍
Hi Peter. Would love to get my hands on one of these. Are you able to ship to Cape Town South Africa?
Yes, absolutely. 👍
Did you click the wrong 12:00 release time Peter? Not complaining.... I have more peace & quiet to watch at this time of night / morning.
I think this happened once before.
Yep. TH-cam defaults to 12:00 midnight and it’s caught me out once or twice before. 🤷♂️
The plus side of this faux pas, is the world got an extra 12 hours heads up, about the LTJ30, @@10MinuteWorkshop
Hi Peter, I didn't know you could use a central mandarin in the festool 1400 router
Yes, there’s a surprising amount of play in the ‘self-centering’ guide bush - I’ve always use a mandrel ever since that was pointed out to me! 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop I have the central guide. I bough it for a different router.
I must check the 1400, I didn't realise it had adjustable screws
I'm not at home so I can't check, but I don't think that the 1400 has any way to adjust the bushing. Remember seeing a couple of people complaining about it on the internet. Sounds like a pretty substantial design flaw to me. Mark@@danthechippie4439
Very nice tool. Do you ship to the US of A?
Thank you, and yes we do; details below the video, or at 10minute.shop. 👍
What are the biggest dominos I can use with this jig please? Is it just 5mm?
It’ll work with any loose tenon that the DF500 can take, as long as you can get the bits for your router. 👍
Thank you. Dominos come in different widths, how does the jig account for that please Peter?
(Ps very, very close to ordering!)
What are those short BESSEY clamps?
DuoKlamps. Love mine, they're on my workshop essentials list at 10minuteAmazon.com 👍
Where did you get your tenons?
Festool. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop I tought it was from a different company. I am wondering why no one are making/selling them. I know they are not that hard to make yourself but one would think there is a market for it.
Mine finally arrived today after a 10 day delay due to PorcelFarce....
Initial delivery was not at my address, & ring doorbell confirms this...
Rechechedule for Saturday never happened...
Went & picked it up from the post centre 02/09/23 & they didn't have a clue
Re-direction sticker was applied for 26/08/23 but it never left the depot -
What are RM up to????
Wow, sorry to hear that Chris! For the record I’m not aware that we’ve ever used parcelforce, just RM tracked 48. Message me through the store and I’ll refund your postage because that’s not acceptable. Thanks. Peter
@@10MinuteWorkshop
Peter, thanks for the offer but a refund is not required.
I wasn't in a rush for it :)
It was RM48 tracked, I generically call all RM packages PorcelFarce :)
Just couldn't get to the depot before Saturday.
I've only had a quick look over it, working again today, but it looks like a nicely made jig.
hallo peter waar kan ik deze mal kopen
Link is in the video description, or on the store directly underneath the video. 10minute.shop 👍
Very nice and much less expensive than a Domino. But over $100 usd for a jig.. hard to justify for me.
It’s a jig that allows you to make domino joints, dowel joints, and Peanut 2 joints, all using a pin-registration system like the domino - and also does shelf-pin holes, and as you say is a fraction of the price of a domino. The price is a reflection of the jigs capabilities, and the quality of manufacture. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop yes it’s quite nice and offers a lot. Good value if you use it a lot.
Did you invent this so that people who don’t own a domino can achieve the same results with just a router?
Basically, yes; though the original design came from someone else I developed it via many prototypes, to what it is today. This latest version is the third model, and by far the most complete. 👍
Your early!!!
I was! 🤦♂️
Trespa?
What’s that? 🤷♂️
@@10MinuteWorkshop material commonly used for work tops in science labs etc (and toilet cubicles), impervious to fluids - bugger to cut...😒
Just received my Loose Tenon Jig 30. Couldn’t be happier and can’t wait to make my fist cabinet with Dominos 🪚🔨
Thank you! Look forward to seeing them! 👍