Biggest issue here is scouting. A probing attack with 1 medivac or something could've shown that your opponent was going for void rays. If you see it coming, you can easily counter it by spamming marine medivac and taking a fight. Void rays are practically useless in TVPs outside of early game cheeses because they get shat on by marines and vikings. Vikings are useful against air units because they're pretty fast and have great range which means you can pick things off or force them into a fight over marines. As for the rest of the skytoss army, it's not really about direct counters in a battle. Protoss can't warp in air units so you can out produce them with lots of barracks and throw waves and waves of stim marines at them. A Protoss has to make templar to make skytoss viable because otherwise they get swarmed by marine viking medivac. Tempests aren't very good before the late game. They're used to pick off siege units like liberators but they crumble in a fight vs marines and vikings, though they can use their range to pick off vikings. Carriers are pretty strong but a lot of marines and vikings can beat them. Try to focus fire the carriers with the vikings while you can stim and hold position the marines to make them shoot down the interceptors. A major thing to keep in mind is that cannons are really weak. You don't need to fear them that much once mid game hits because stim marines and medivacs will run them over. You should also always keep a few medivacs in the army because their heal is very strong, even when you're going for lots of vikings.
@@Voidspacealpha Don't worry too much. Scouting is very tricky and it's very easy to miss things. Just remember to occasionally send a small probing attack and look at what your enemy does. You can even use a scan if you want. While it's better to save them, they're a great substitute until you nail down timing attacks and aggression.
Nice game. Mariners tank mediva counter pure skytoss really hard. Void rays can "thicken" their beam to have bonus damage against armored. But guess what: mariners are not armored 😊. Overall, I think you are steadily improving and your level is good considering the amount of gamez you played. So keep it up and, most importantly, keep having fun with sc2!
GG Well Played ... Perfect Response 👍 ... a bit slow on execution but understandable😊 Check list for the response: (Against Skytoss Turtle) 1. Greedy Expand ... ✅ 2. Pump Vikings fast ... ✅ 3. Complete 511 ... (Bearable) 4. Spam Anything that shoots up but mix in maurauders to quicky destroy enemy expansions ... (Almost just the maurauders gunning down expansions missing) Over All it's was a pass😊
Yeah, i was pretty happy with myself for scouting and then adapting. I could have built thors or something sure, but i just ended up spamming anything that could shoot up and getting more starports online. not perfect, but i am proud of myself for actually using the information to adapt my style
Well deserved victory ! The moment you see that the Protoss player put his third later than you, you can already tell that you almost already won since Protoss need an extra base to keep up economically with terrans. At this moment continue improving your eco and prod as you did or you can also harass him with little drops or liberators in his mineral lines. Anyway going vikings was the right decision to make !
Thanks man. I really love that i managed to scout something and then build an answer to it. It might not have been the perfect counter, but it was something. Insanely good feeling. proud of me xoxo
I probably didn’t talk much about the first engagements because of Uber concentration, but basically I knew the tanks etc were smoked, because of air. Then I just spammed anything that could shoot up. Tanks became cyclones, no more marauders and all marines, plus a few extra starports for vikings. Then, harassing as best I can, get extra bases, expand and build up to max supply
Yeah good point. I don't know why i didnt transition to thors. I just started building anything that could shoot up and dropping extra starports for vikings. oops
Biggest issue here is scouting. A probing attack with 1 medivac or something could've shown that your opponent was going for void rays. If you see it coming, you can easily counter it by spamming marine medivac and taking a fight. Void rays are practically useless in TVPs outside of early game cheeses because they get shat on by marines and vikings. Vikings are useful against air units because they're pretty fast and have great range which means you can pick things off or force them into a fight over marines.
As for the rest of the skytoss army, it's not really about direct counters in a battle. Protoss can't warp in air units so you can out produce them with lots of barracks and throw waves and waves of stim marines at them. A Protoss has to make templar to make skytoss viable because otherwise they get swarmed by marine viking medivac.
Tempests aren't very good before the late game. They're used to pick off siege units like liberators but they crumble in a fight vs marines and vikings, though they can use their range to pick off vikings. Carriers are pretty strong but a lot of marines and vikings can beat them. Try to focus fire the carriers with the vikings while you can stim and hold position the marines to make them shoot down the interceptors.
A major thing to keep in mind is that cannons are really weak. You don't need to fear them that much once mid game hits because stim marines and medivacs will run them over. You should also always keep a few medivacs in the army because their heal is very strong, even when you're going for lots of vikings.
We keep telling the dude to scout more.
some solid advice in here.
i do actually think i did better at scouting than usual, if i can humbly pump myself up a little
You do, and i'm greatful for it
@@Voidspacealpha Don't worry too much. Scouting is very tricky and it's very easy to miss things. Just remember to occasionally send a small probing attack and look at what your enemy does. You can even use a scan if you want. While it's better to save them, they're a great substitute until you nail down timing attacks and aggression.
Yeah fair point dude.
Don’t worry, it’s not too stressful and I’m still having fun
Nice game. Mariners tank mediva counter pure skytoss really hard. Void rays can "thicken" their beam to have bonus damage against armored. But guess what: mariners are not armored 😊. Overall, I think you are steadily improving and your level is good considering the amount of gamez you played. So keep it up and, most importantly, keep having fun with sc2!
Thanks man. I’m having loads of fun playing atm. Won’t be going off it for a while I hope
GG Well Played
... Perfect Response 👍
... a bit slow on execution but understandable😊
Check list for the response:
(Against Skytoss Turtle)
1. Greedy Expand ... ✅
2. Pump Vikings fast ... ✅
3. Complete 511 ... (Bearable)
4. Spam Anything that shoots up but mix in maurauders to quicky destroy enemy expansions ... (Almost just the maurauders gunning down expansions missing)
Over All it's was a pass😊
Yeah, i was pretty happy with myself for scouting and then adapting. I could have built thors or something sure, but i just ended up spamming anything that could shoot up and getting more starports online.
not perfect, but i am proud of myself for actually using the information to adapt my style
Well deserved victory ! The moment you see that the Protoss player put his third later than you, you can already tell that you almost already won since Protoss need an extra base to keep up economically with terrans. At this moment continue improving your eco and prod as you did or you can also harass him with little drops or liberators in his mineral lines. Anyway going vikings was the right decision to make !
Thanks man.
I really love that i managed to scout something and then build an answer to it. It might not have been the perfect counter, but it was something. Insanely good feeling. proud of me xoxo
I did not think you'd finish it like that, GG!
Thanks dude. How did you think it was going to end?
@@Voidspacealpha I don't really know, you had some expensive trades and suddenly you won.
I probably didn’t talk much about the first engagements because of Uber concentration, but basically I knew the tanks etc were smoked, because of air.
Then I just spammed anything that could shoot up. Tanks became cyclones, no more marauders and all marines, plus a few extra starports for vikings.
Then, harassing as best I can, get extra bases, expand and build up to max supply
I am surprised that the thors didn't show up.
I think thors are not the best unit against skytoss especially void rays because they have a damage bonus against heavy units
Yeah good point. I don't know why i didnt transition to thors. I just started building anything that could shoot up and dropping extra starports for vikings. oops
Didnt even know this about void rays
Mass voids you should build mass marines. Faster and easier than Viking as you only have a single starport at that point.
Stim and focus fire the voids. Bam. They die so easily.
Didn’t even think of this
Bet that works really well
@@Voidspacealpha this is why no pro players ever play voids, they're expensive and they're sh1t lol....
Haha oh okay.
The tempests are a worry in numbers, as are carriers, but atleast they can be focused down
Ollie mate. You forgot to stim.
Legit? 😅😅