@@MacInVR Hi Just got a Pico 4 yesterday and everyone keeps going on about Virtual Desktop and I am not sure why I would need it. the pico streaming app lets me conect with steam on my PC what does this do that it doesn't? Cheers great channel sure to be back.
I finally purchased VD during oculus day deal last week and set it up this morning with this video, which is absolute perfection for someone like me with experience only in airlink! Top work as ever Mac, thank you!
Hi Mate. Paul from Sydney. You have to be the best teacher in VR. Love your style and humor. But mostly the way you explain and give examples of foreseen problems. I'm 65 been into computers since 1980. But this VR stuff is a whole new world. After having problems with Quest and returning 2 headsets. I totally love my new Pico 4. Have watched most of your videos. Thank you and I really appreciate your help. Keep up the good work.
very well explained. i know i make this more complicated than it probably should be. Some small additions from my personal experience with both Quest 2 and Pico 4: - Always set STEAM VR resolution manually to 100%, because any additional scaling within STEAM uses more VRAM and even if you lower the resolution it can actually lower your performance due to additional GPU time and VRAM needed to scale the image. Using 100% ensures, that the game renders exactly in the resolution that Virtual Desktop can process without any additional overload. - If you have more than one monitor connected, switch off or disable those additional monitors, because these can actually lower your performance due to the fact that the GPU needs to handle all of them in the background. - If you do not need to run any additional software like OBS in the background, always enable "use optimal resolution" in the VD settings, because this gives you a little bit of additional VRAM and performance. - If you do not play high responsive games like sports games or BEAT SABER always enable "video buffering", so you won't see microstutters. If you play those games, switch it off and see if it works without stutters. - Test out the maximum bitrate you can use on your network first and then set this bitrate manually while turning off "dynamic bitrate" option in the VD desktop app. If your network latency is around 10ms or less it's fine. - Switch off SSW and find out first which combination of resolution and framerate works best for each game or in general. Use the performance overlay to monitor your framerate. This number should be fixed at your target fps and not drop a couple of frames every couple of seconds. If your framerate is only dropping a little bit, then lower in-game graphics settings first and then VD framerate before you deal with resolution and SSW. - Do not use SSW automatic, because this mostly results in stuttering game performance since Virtual Desktop will adjust this per frame, so in some games it switches back and forth causing those stutters. SSW actually tells the game to render at half framerate and interpolates missing frames in the headset (not on PC like STEAM VR motion smoothing does). - if your framerate drops dramatically and you do not need fast response times lower VD framerate and see if you can play the game comfortably. If it's still not running smooth try to switch SSW to on and probably increase framerate again, since 90/2=45 fps should render faster than 72fps. Only use SSW if you do not bother about image distotion, blurry moving edges and artefacts you will see when using SSW. - You may start with quality = high, SSW disabled and framerate 72Hz with H264 (AMD : use HEVC because of broken drivers) at fixed 100Mbit which is the best medium setting with a decent resolution. Then try to go higher using the performance overlay or lower if your PC struggles. The GPU specs in Virtual Desktop are more or less useless, since it depends on the game which resolution you can actually run. Even on a RTX 2070S you can run some games in "godlike" (wihch is 1:1 pixel density on the Pico 4). Other won't run even at the lowest possible resolution without SSW being turned on. For reference, here are the render resolutions of VD (Pico 4) in pixels: Potato: 1488 x 1488 Low: 1776 x 1776 Medium: 2064 x 2064 High: 2544 x 2544 Ultra: 2736 x 2736 Godlike: 3120 x 3120 The Quest 2 resolutions are only slighty different and godlike is missing. please note, that these are NOT the display resolutions and that this is not supersampling. In fact godlike matches exactly the maximum resolution of the Pico 4 displays and Ultra (2688 x 2784 for Q2) on the Quest 2. Unfortunately Virtual Desktop does not offer fine tuning for the resolutions and on some machines that is really a shame. On my RTX 3070Laptop "medium" runs smooth, but is just too blurry, whereas "high" causes stutters. "medium" renders about 4.2 Mpixel whereas "high" renders 6,4 Mpixel. That is a huge 50% increase and has a significant effect on performance. Especially for midrange GPUs there should be some sort of fine tuning available. Hopefully the developer does include this in the near future. okay, this made it much more complicated, sorry.
@@MacInVR this may work in most cases and automatic bitrate is useful if your connection speed is not stable. But if your connection speed is solid and you know the working bitrate there is not need for automatic adjustment, since this produces additional overhead, although very minimal i guess. From my experience automatic bitrate works better if i play on a PC, which is not on my network, but external. This is basically the same as cloud based and if the internet connection is going down (because my kids start downloading tons of stuff) VD can adjust the bitrate temporarely. But if is do this, i usually do not set the bitrate that high, but just about 50-60Mbit to minimize any fluctuations. but again, if it works, one way or the other, it's fine anyway.
Thanks for this! Pico 4 is on the way and this video summed up perfectly what i need and what to expect to get started with wireless VR. I'm pretty excited to move from Rift CV1 to Pico 4!
Got my Pico 4 glasses yesterday and just tested without facemask and eyes as close as possible, the difference is HUGE! Then if you lift little from the strap going over your head to get the weight of your nose. That made me think somebody should make similar type facemask for P4 than Quest pro has; that forehead cushion piece and maybe those little pieces on the sides to block light, VOILA. That would make the FOV and experience million times bigger and better. Have you tested that? This would be a huge improvement!
Just tried my new PICO 4 and virtual desktop - works really really impressive no noticeable delay or graphical artefacts - it just works! .. I was even able to play over the internet - not locally but play games on a friends computer, I did not expect this to work but it did :) .. .-Not 100% smooth but actually acceptable and playable with decent graphics quality and stuff (Tried Skyrim and Fancy Skiing)
This sums things up nicely, thanks. I've found a WiFi 6 router works very well with the WiFi 6 adapter on the Pico 4. I'll take a 1200MHz connection as a win. 😁 Who needs a wired headset?
Just bought a Pico4. VR Desktop works great! I was happy before with Oculus Streaming app, it was working 100% of time, but I have faith for VR Desktop also
Great info as usual Mac, kept the same settings for Q2, but altered some of the values for Pico 4 which to me look better , made me chuckle when it got to your famous line from the other VD Vids 'Turn that Shit off' 🤣
Did some testing with these settings. My latency went up from 27 to about 32 but its much better. H.264 seemed to lower my latency a bit but felt a bit worse. But the experience is no where near "buttery smooth" as people say. Totally not comparable with the smoothness on the Index.I wonder if i have a different definition of smooth.
Virtual desktop works great with my AMD 6800xt. I am able to set it to Ultra and set the streaming rate to 120mbps and HEVC. I tried to use Airlink and it looked terrible and was limited to 100mbps. Highly recommend Virtual Desktop if using an AMD GPU.
Maybe a dumb question - so you can not use Virtual Desktop if you use the USB cable connection? I don't use the wireless feature since my router is a few years old
Hey, thx for this video ^^ But I wish to use Reality Mixer to see my keyboard in game, but I don't know how to give SteamVR access to the Pico 4 camera. Is anyone know any way to do it ?
Does anyone know why the virtual desktop menu closes a couple of seconds after launching it on the Pico 4? All I see is the small menu used to set up the headset to begin with
Jusy to make sure i understand u clearly. With virtual desktop at the pico store, i dont have to have a laptp or computer in order to watch 3d movies, games without have to go through the other option of having computer right?
I have multiple headsets in different locations. We both are in virtual desktop , I can see the computers in two locations. How can I hide the PCs and show only what is locally ?
This App doesn't want to work for me. How can I determine if my Quest 2, and my PC, are using the same network and does the Quest 2 not connect automatically, (wirelessly), to my PC if I have already downloaded the Virtual Desktop Streamer App?. These may sound like simple enough questions but my knowledge of the VR world is woefully incomplete. I would add that I have not downloaded any other Apps to my PC. The Oculus website seems to suggest that they are not necessary. Any helpful suggestions would be welcome.
Is there any support available today n the Pico Neo 2? Or other alternatives for this item? I can't happen to find further information other than the Pico 3 and 4
Great video overall, but I wouldn't trust the Steam VR Performance app too much. I got a decent scores that said my PC was indeed VR-ready, but it soon became apparent that my 1060 6GB and i5-6400 was not really up to the task, apart from some older and less demanding titles.
There is an additional problem. If you are a person in the US, the PICO VR Assistant app (used to add payment and thus be able to buy VD) requires sideloading in an Android device. The reason is that the app is region-locked out of the US's Google Play store. There alternative is to use a VPN.
cheers mate! you said i MUST buy virtual desktop in the oculus rift app right? i own virtual desktop in steam from my rift s times years ago and dont want to buy it in the oculus app again tomorrow when my quest 2 arrives. is there a way to use steams version of VD? gimme a yay or nay 😅
Can i watch vr videos on browser through this virtual desktop? Because its only shows 2 images and cant choose 3d or so.. just glaseses icon that makes screen in 2 pieces
For Pico 4 users, You can just use Streaming assistant on pc for wireless connection and wired connection. You just have to connect the headset to the same internet as your computer and its done if, If you want wired connection you just click on the USB connection, it doesnt have to be a USB you can use the charger that u got with your headset if you have a plugin in your computer for this.
The streaming assistant on Pico is bad though, I can't actually use it due to severe audio issues. Vd is the best wireless streaming app on Pico and Quest
I can only connect Pico4 through wifi? it means that if I wanna see a movie on Pico4 during a flight through cable or other kind of linkage I won't be hable to do that? it's because I'd like to have an inmmersive experience (forgetting for a while the bothering person next to me... hahaha)
Do you generally play with snap turning or smooth? For some reason with Smooth turning on VD I constantly get little stutters when turning, that never happens with Airlink. My FPS will be basically locked at 90 but still see stutters. Still havent found a solution to it :(
A fix for me was putting it down to 80hz instead of 90hz because the frames barely ever go below 80fps and I've noticed it doesn't matter how small of an fps drop you got it will stutter unless it's constantly at whatever hz you have it on
Easy...pop on your Quest or Pico headset, fire up virtual desktop and all your SteamVR & Oculus PC VR will be listed in the games tab. Pick your game, click on it and VD does the rest 😀
I have a Wifi 6 router, but my issue is that my PC is upstairs connected wirelessly to my internet. Can I use a power line adaptor and use VD without issues?
That is exactly what I do, but my powerline adaptor includes a wifi extender. They aren't much more expensive and they work well (my office is at the bottom of my garden).
Hello! I found an article of reddit but it's a year old is this the one you speak or you have found a more new article I D like to experiment with it! Thnxs
Hi Mac I'm very disappointed with the Pico 4 headset, the games are not optimised for the Pico resolution or maybe the Pico is not optimised. I've been playing war planes Pacific on the Pico 4 natively and on the pc, and both options remain very blurry! Currently even though pick has a higher screen resolution the games are sharper on the Quest 2! I believe you should address this matter in one of your videos please, and please push the Pico developers to update the pico software. Because the Pico is so blurry, I'm currently back on my quest 2 headset thinking of returning it. Please let us know in a video what yours and others have been experiencing please.
Mac! Any possibility you can help me with a Windows 11 setup? (not mine, I'm on Windows 10) I cannot get the damn computer to be on wifi and ethernet (the dedicated router for Virtual Desktop) at the same time. Endless searching hasn't helped me, so I figured I'd reach out to you. Thanks man!
@@MacInVR Thank you. I am gonna order this as my quest 2 will not charge over 55% after the last update and Meta wants me to ship it to the US from Greece and back for RMA lol.
I hope you're still responding, I'm completly new to VR and was wondering, do you get to see full screen with virtual desktop or do you see it just like at 5:40 ? That's my biggest concern lol
Hi Mac! How important would you say it is to get a dedicated router for VD? Without one now my streaming speed varies from 860mb to 1000mb+, will getting one improve my experience?
@@MacInVR the very funny thing is I found that I had a onboard wifi and I tried to use hotspot from there dedicating to the Pico and I could only get 150mbs… while using a non dedicated router I got a much better result
Does the mic work on this virtal desktop because i tried stream assistant and everyone in chat immediately muted me took guy come up to me say i have xbox mic and was sounding like i had robot sound pad on. so i had felt so annoyed with pico 4. but dont get me wrong i love my damn pico 4. just felt like spent $400 on vr that requires me buy virtual desktop. if we look at quest 1 & 2 they didn't need that. theres no videos explain so thats why i had to ask about mic issues.
From word of mouth, no. If you've had problems with the VD app then I would say it's a problem at your end, not VD. What is your PC spec? Router? Any other information?
question might sound dumb but idk why but the saturation and colors dont look that good is there any way to increase saturation? (im using ultra settings on pico 4 if thats important) i thought it might be my headset but when playing games internally with my pico the colors look better than on virtual desktop steam vr i also copied all your settings
Virtual Desktop is really good, way better than ALVR or AirLink, I've got an issue with it though that every minute or so a large network spike will cause a stutter, which ruins my gameplay, especially if I'm playing something like Beat Saber where every second is important. I tried everything, read every tip, made sure everything was correct, changed so many settings in my router couldn't fix it. So I recently bought a new router gonna see if that fixes it, because other than that problem everything with this app is perfect.
@@vnapjv200 you have the same problem I have? Because I thought it could have something to do with the program, because I never get that spike with alvr, I wanted to test with a new router as I thought it'd be a quick way to find out
Don’t crank up the VR bitrate to 150mbps but start around 80mbps and increase gradually until you start experiencing again those spikes, this has made a major difference with my setup
@@MacInVR That's the thing where you push the two control sticks in? If so yeah I've done that, that''s how I know it's a network spike, the other 3 never go orange, network stays normal and then every minute almost like clockwork a huge spike, I thought it might be a QoS feature on my router that's set to go every min but I turned them all off and still got it.
Mac my pc is on wifi and my router is in another room and a can not run an ethernet cable, can you get round this problem with the upcoming pico dongle or the dlink dongle for meta ?
how do i check if it runs on my pc my pc is a gaming laptop btw i dont know and im affraid that when i buy it it will not work and i will not get a refund
I have wifi 6 router and 3090 graphics card but I see video encoding artifact when I play with my pico 4.. weird noisy pixels moving.. will it be solved with a better network cable?
@@MacInVR framerate: 60 to 80 latency: 30 to 40 ms bitrate: 100 mbps 5 ghz network 1200 mbs but it fluctuates up and down, sometimes it is almost at 500 Mbps.. game: 20ms and everything else looks normal and fine..
I have noticed that on my Quest 2, I get 1200mbps rock solid. On my Pico 4, it fluctuates between 800-1000, this has to be a problem with the Pico OS? Your problem won't be solved by a better network cable, VD is only interested in the strength of your wifi
@@MacInVR if that's the case.. really hope they come out with an update soon that fixes it.. there was one time it was so bad that it switched to the 2.4 Ghz network automatically and it wasn't comfortable for the eyes..
I really need help. I did have this working flawlessly today on my pico 4, but my battery died while playing half-life alyx in steam VR. Now, no matter what, virtual desktop crashes every time I use steam VR.
@@MacInVR yeah I basically nuked steam, steam VR, virtual desktop and added Pico 4 to DMZ on my router, that seemed to fix it. I think it was some random network issue.
while being connected to my routers 5Gz channel, it's still pretty bad. I've got a 650 MHz connection which i think is pretty okay but its pretty awful once you get in game. i dont really know what do do now since all of my games are on steam. I'm thinking of buying the meta quest link and try to connect it directly to my computer. Do you have any tips?
I can't find the link but there's a complete guide for setting up your router, on reddit. Things like setting the wifi bandwidth, channels, etc. Even 5ghz can look bad under the wrong settings.
It won't work without a 5ghz wifi network. As far as your internet, VD is only interested in the strength of your wifi, download speed doesn't matter 🙂
This is absolutely the worst, my router and pc are in different rooms and I can't relocate neither of them and there's no way to connect ethernet cable, for fuck sake everything goes to shit
Use powerline adaptors, that how I get ethernet to my garden office which is 10m away from my house. Google them but make sure you get the Gigabit version.
@@MacInVR are powerline adapters like a blocks u plug into the wall, cause last time when we got new router the guy gave us those to better the WiFi across the house or something, so I just need to plug one of these next to router and another one next to my pc?
@@MacInVR Ah, okay. Because i would consider an I5 with a Nvidia 1660 Super w 4-6GB memory to be around "mid" level. Your I9 is a lot of power to be putting behind that.
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You and Virtual Panda helped me fully understand how to set up my Virtual Desktop and router stuff a year ago. Thanks, Mac!
Cheers mate 👍
@@MacInVR Hi Just got a Pico 4 yesterday and everyone keeps going on about Virtual Desktop and I am not sure why I would need it. the pico streaming app lets me conect with steam on my PC what does this do that it doesn't?
Cheers great channel sure to be back.
@@thedave7760 I’ve heard and see in terms of quality and a little more performance, virtual desktop is the way to go.
I finally purchased VD during oculus day deal last week and set it up this morning with this video, which is absolute perfection for someone like me with experience only in airlink! Top work as ever Mac, thank you!
Thank you for watching 😀
Hi Mate. Paul from Sydney. You have to be the best teacher in VR. Love your style and humor. But mostly the way you explain and give examples of foreseen problems. I'm 65 been into computers since 1980. But this VR stuff is a whole new world. After having problems with Quest and returning 2 headsets. I totally love my new Pico 4. Have watched most of your videos. Thank you and I really appreciate your help. Keep up the good work.
Thanks mate, I'm only 4 years behind you at 56 🤣
very well explained. i know i make this more complicated than it probably should be. Some small additions from my personal experience with both Quest 2 and Pico 4:
- Always set STEAM VR resolution manually to 100%, because any additional scaling within STEAM uses more VRAM and even if you lower the resolution it can actually lower your performance due to additional GPU time and VRAM needed to scale the image. Using 100% ensures, that the game renders exactly in the resolution that Virtual Desktop can process without any additional overload.
- If you have more than one monitor connected, switch off or disable those additional monitors, because these can actually lower your performance due to the fact that the GPU needs to handle all of them in the background.
- If you do not need to run any additional software like OBS in the background, always enable "use optimal resolution" in the VD settings, because this gives you a little bit of additional VRAM and performance.
- If you do not play high responsive games like sports games or BEAT SABER always enable "video buffering", so you won't see microstutters. If you play those games, switch it off and see if it works without stutters.
- Test out the maximum bitrate you can use on your network first and then set this bitrate manually while turning off "dynamic bitrate" option in the VD desktop app. If your network latency is around 10ms or less it's fine.
- Switch off SSW and find out first which combination of resolution and framerate works best for each game or in general. Use the performance overlay to monitor your framerate. This number should be fixed at your target fps and not drop a couple of frames every couple of seconds. If your framerate is only dropping a little bit, then lower in-game graphics settings first and then VD framerate before you deal with resolution and SSW.
- Do not use SSW automatic, because this mostly results in stuttering game performance since Virtual Desktop will adjust this per frame, so in some games it switches back and forth causing those stutters. SSW actually tells the game to render at half framerate and interpolates missing frames in the headset (not on PC like STEAM VR motion smoothing does).
- if your framerate drops dramatically and you do not need fast response times lower VD framerate and see if you can play the game comfortably. If it's still not running smooth try to switch SSW to on and probably increase framerate again, since 90/2=45 fps should render faster than 72fps. Only use SSW if you do not bother about image distotion, blurry moving edges and artefacts you will see when using SSW.
- You may start with quality = high, SSW disabled and framerate 72Hz with H264 (AMD : use HEVC because of broken drivers) at fixed 100Mbit which is the best medium setting with a decent resolution. Then try to go higher using the performance overlay or lower if your PC struggles.
The GPU specs in Virtual Desktop are more or less useless, since it depends on the game which resolution you can actually run. Even on a RTX 2070S you can run some games in "godlike" (wihch is 1:1 pixel density on the Pico 4). Other won't run even at the lowest possible resolution without SSW being turned on.
For reference, here are the render resolutions of VD (Pico 4) in pixels:
Potato: 1488 x 1488
Low: 1776 x 1776
Medium: 2064 x 2064
High: 2544 x 2544
Ultra: 2736 x 2736
Godlike: 3120 x 3120
The Quest 2 resolutions are only slighty different and godlike is missing.
please note, that these are NOT the display resolutions and that this is not supersampling. In fact godlike matches exactly the maximum resolution of the Pico 4 displays and Ultra (2688 x 2784 for Q2) on the Quest 2.
Unfortunately Virtual Desktop does not offer fine tuning for the resolutions and on some machines that is really a shame. On my RTX 3070Laptop "medium" runs smooth, but is just too blurry, whereas "high" causes stutters. "medium" renders about 4.2 Mpixel whereas "high" renders 6,4 Mpixel. That is a huge 50% increase and has a significant effect on performance. Especially for midrange GPUs there should be some sort of fine tuning available. Hopefully the developer does include this in the near future.
okay, this made it much more complicated, sorry.
Thanks for the guide.. ill take notes
I have been told directly by Guy Godin (developer) that you should leave "automatically adjust bitrate" checked unless your using a cloud based PC.
@@MacInVR this may work in most cases and automatic bitrate is useful if your connection speed is not stable. But if your connection speed is solid and you know the working bitrate there is not need for automatic adjustment, since this produces additional overhead, although very minimal i guess.
From my experience automatic bitrate works better if i play on a PC, which is not on my network, but external. This is basically the same as cloud based and if the internet connection is going down (because my kids start downloading tons of stuff) VD can adjust the bitrate temporarely. But if is do this, i usually do not set the bitrate that high, but just about 50-60Mbit to minimize any fluctuations.
but again, if it works, one way or the other, it's fine anyway.
Thanks for this! Pico 4 is on the way and this video summed up perfectly what i need and what to expect to get started with wireless VR. I'm pretty excited to move from Rift CV1 to Pico 4!
Got my Pico 4 glasses yesterday and just tested without facemask and eyes as close as possible, the difference is HUGE!
Then if you lift little from the strap going over your head to get the weight of your nose.
That made me think somebody should make similar type facemask for P4 than Quest pro has; that forehead cushion piece and maybe those little pieces on the sides to block light, VOILA. That would make the FOV and experience million times bigger and better.
Have you tested that? This would be a huge improvement!
I use Virtual Desktop since I bought the Oculus Go. Have it on my Quests and will buy it for my Pico4...it is a must for PCVR
Just tried my new PICO 4 and virtual desktop - works really really impressive no noticeable delay or graphical artefacts - it just works! .. I was even able to play over the internet - not locally but play games on a friends computer, I did not expect this to work but it did :) .. .-Not 100% smooth but actually acceptable and playable with decent graphics quality and stuff (Tried Skyrim and Fancy Skiing)
This sums things up nicely, thanks. I've found a WiFi 6 router works very well with the WiFi 6 adapter on the Pico 4. I'll take a 1200MHz connection as a win. 😁 Who needs a wired headset?
Exactly 😀
What a brilliant guide! Just ordered a RTX 4090 PC and the Pico 4! Thanks for this great tutorial! :)
Enjoy!
Great tips. I am a fresh Pico 4 owner so this will be very useful. I laughed at "graphics tart" :)
Great info matey
Big price drop on the quest pro
Down to £999
Just landed a bargin on ebay for £675 brand new sealed quest pro 🎉🎉🎉
Nice!
Just bought a Pico4. VR Desktop works great! I was happy before with Oculus Streaming app, it was working 100% of time, but I have faith for VR Desktop also
Great info as usual Mac, kept the same settings for Q2, but altered some of the values for Pico 4 which to me look better , made me chuckle when it got to your famous line from the other VD Vids 'Turn that Shit off' 🤣
Excellent video 😊
Excellent video, very informative.
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Nice, go buy it 👍
Great info vid Mac, couple of settings there I don't think I use, especially not on my pico 4, as I haven't got one,(yet 🙄).
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My PC has a series 11 i7 and a 3060Ti and works well. I may have a look at the graphics settings again, I think its on medium now.
Have a good fiddle, you can't break anything and if it all goes a bit south, just reset to default 😉
Thank you Mac.
Cheers Ron 🍻
Great video. I’ll try these settings. See if I can make it work the way I want it.
Did some testing with these settings. My latency went up from 27 to about 32 but its much better. H.264 seemed to lower my latency a bit but felt a bit worse. But the experience is no where near "buttery smooth" as people say. Totally not comparable with the smoothness on the Index.I wonder if i have a different definition of smooth.
What a goofy intro🤣
Great video, thanks for the information. Im buying VD now.
I like Goofy 🤪
Virtual desktop works great with my AMD 6800xt. I am able to set it to Ultra and set the streaming rate to 120mbps and HEVC. I tried to use Airlink and it looked terrible and was limited to 100mbps. Highly recommend Virtual Desktop if using an AMD GPU.
Maybe a dumb question - so you can not use Virtual Desktop if you use the USB cable connection? I don't use the wireless feature since my router is a few years old
No, it's for wireless only 😳
Suppetwupp kiddo, i did just bought VDS to a frind who have pico4 trhu steam, did i just fuggupp?
Aye i did, thanks for the vid my man.
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Thanks mac
Any ideas on how to make star wars sq. work with VD? Gr
I'm pretty sure I played SW Squadrons on my Quest 2 using VD 🤔
It was a while ago though
@@MacInVR
Guy Godin. Would be nice dude 🤙
Hey, thx for this video ^^
But I wish to use Reality Mixer to see my keyboard in game, but I don't know how to give SteamVR access to the Pico 4 camera. Is anyone know any way to do it ?
Does anyone know why the virtual desktop menu closes a couple of seconds after launching it on the Pico 4? All I see is the small menu used to set up the headset to begin with
Tap the far left button on the left (next to the menu button) controller to bring the menu back 😋
Jusy to make sure i understand u clearly. With virtual desktop at the pico store, i dont have to have a laptp or computer in order to watch 3d movies, games without have to go through the other option of having computer right?
You need a decent PC or laptop to run VD, sorry 😞
I have multiple headsets in different locations.
We both are in virtual desktop , I can see the computers in two locations. How can I hide the PCs and show only what is locally ?
I'm not sure, perhaps jump on the discord and ask there?
This App doesn't want to work for me. How can I determine if my Quest 2, and my PC, are using the same network and does the Quest 2 not connect automatically, (wirelessly), to my PC if I have already downloaded the Virtual Desktop Streamer App?. These may sound like simple enough questions but my knowledge of the VR world is woefully incomplete. I would add that I have not downloaded any other Apps to my PC. The Oculus website seems to suggest that they are not necessary. Any helpful suggestions would be welcome.
Your PC needs to be connected to your router via ethernet cable and the Quest has to be connected to the routers wireless 5ghz network
Re: the SteamVR Performance Test app-- they REALLY need to update that.. it's so outdated!
I think it was originally from 2016, I remember using it with my i5 980ti 😲
Is there any support available today n the Pico Neo 2? Or other alternatives for this item? I can't happen to find further information other than the Pico 3 and 4
Great video overall, but I wouldn't trust the Steam VR Performance app too much. I got a decent scores that said my PC was indeed VR-ready, but it soon became apparent that my 1060 6GB and i5-6400 was not really up to the task, apart from some older and less demanding titles.
I don't think theyve updated it recently but it works as a guideline
My Intel 4790 is green, but my Vega56 is red :( poor me. Should i buy a 4090 for my CPU?..........I dont belive
There is an additional problem. If you are a person in the US, the PICO VR Assistant app (used to add payment and thus be able to buy VD) requires sideloading in an Android device.
The reason is that the app is region-locked out of the US's Google Play store.
There alternative is to use a VPN.
Just download the apk. Or download the Apk in the headset itself. Problem solved:D
Yep, just get the APK..
I have the problem i can't choose the 90Hz option even i have activated on PICO's settings at Virtual Desktop it won't show up the 90Hz ... Any ideas?
I haven't had this problem, anyone else? Maybe jump on the Virtual Desktop discord channel and ask there?
cheers mate!
you said i MUST buy virtual desktop in the oculus rift app right?
i own virtual desktop in steam from my rift s times years ago and dont want to buy it in the oculus app again tomorrow when my quest 2 arrives. is there a way to use steams version of VD? gimme a yay or nay 😅
You MUST buy the app on your Quest headset. The PC version does NOT work for wireless game streaming
How is the usb c wired connectiom for the pico?
Can i watch vr videos on browser through this virtual desktop? Because its only shows 2 images and cant choose 3d or so.. just glaseses icon that makes screen in 2 pieces
For Pico 4 users, You can just use Streaming assistant on pc for wireless connection and wired connection. You just have to connect the headset to the same internet as your computer and its done if, If you want wired connection you just click on the USB connection, it doesnt have to be a USB you can use the charger that u got with your headset if you have a plugin in your computer for this.
The streaming assistant on Pico is bad though, I can't actually use it due to severe audio issues. Vd is the best wireless streaming app on Pico and Quest
@@MacInVR Im not having any issues on anything cause when i connect streaming assistant it just automatically puts on steamVR so i hear everything
I can only connect Pico4 through wifi? it means that if I wanna see a movie on Pico4 during a flight through cable or other kind of linkage I won't be hable to do that? it's because I'd like to have an inmmersive experience (forgetting for a while the bothering person next to me... hahaha)
Do you generally play with snap turning or smooth? For some reason with Smooth turning on VD I constantly get little stutters when turning, that never happens with Airlink. My FPS will be basically locked at 90 but still see stutters. Still havent found a solution to it :(
A fix for me was putting it down to 80hz instead of 90hz because the frames barely ever go below 80fps and I've noticed it doesn't matter how small of an fps drop you got it will stutter unless it's constantly at whatever hz you have it on
Can pico get picture from the gpu with usb c to usb c cable directly?
Yes though the Pico streamer app is pretty rubbish 😞
Real noob question (apologies)
Once virtual desktop is installed. How will I go about launching steam VR and my games
Easy...pop on your Quest or Pico headset, fire up virtual desktop and all your SteamVR & Oculus PC VR will be listed in the games tab. Pick your game, click on it and VD does the rest 😀
Mac, could you expand this video with steam vr settings and renderscale explanations
how to make our oculus be 2 or 3 monitors ?
I have a Wifi 6 router, but my issue is that my PC is upstairs connected wirelessly to my internet. Can I use a power line adaptor and use VD without issues?
That is exactly what I do, but my powerline adaptor includes a wifi extender. They aren't much more expensive and they work well (my office is at the bottom of my garden).
Mac, someone on Reddit was able to hack VD into using USB link instead of wireless for better connection. Pls do a video on it.
Hello! I found an article of reddit but it's a year old is this the one you speak or you have found a more new article I D like to experiment with it! Thnxs
Hi Mac
I'm very disappointed with the Pico 4 headset, the games are not optimised for the Pico resolution or maybe the Pico is not optimised.
I've been playing war planes Pacific on the Pico 4 natively and on the pc, and both options remain very blurry!
Currently even though pick has a higher screen resolution the games are sharper on the Quest 2!
I believe you should address this matter in one of your videos please, and please push the Pico developers to update the pico software. Because the Pico is so blurry, I'm currently back on my quest 2 headset thinking of returning it.
Please let us know in a video what yours and others have been experiencing please.
I haven't had this issue so would be unfair to comment, anybody else having problems?
Mac! Any possibility you can help me with a Windows 11 setup? (not mine, I'm on Windows 10) I cannot get the damn computer to be on wifi and ethernet (the dedicated router for Virtual Desktop) at the same time. Endless searching hasn't helped me, so I figured I'd reach out to you. Thanks man!
Heehee I'm here again
Per per Pico wanker? 😍
So you can. Play all the PC vr titles in the oculus app with the Pico and virtual desktop like we do on quest 2?
Yes 😍
@@MacInVR Thank you. I am gonna order this as my quest 2 will not charge over 55% after the last update and Meta wants me to ship it to the US from Greece and back for RMA lol.
I hope you're still responding, I'm completly new to VR and was wondering, do you get to see full screen with virtual desktop or do you see it just like at 5:40 ? That's my biggest concern lol
It's full screen in VR, difficult to show on a flat screen TH-cam video. Try it out, you'll love it 😀
@@MacInVR Got it, thank you!
Hi Mac! How important would you say it is to get a dedicated router for VD? Without one now my streaming speed varies from 860mb to 1000mb+, will getting one improve my experience?
Those speeds are fine, anything above 500mbps so save your money and buy some games 😀
@@MacInVR the very funny thing is I found that I had a onboard wifi and I tried to use hotspot from there dedicating to the Pico and I could only get 150mbs… while using a non dedicated router I got a much better result
Totally off topic Mac have you played protube with force feedback?
Yes, I have a carbon magtube with a ForceTube attached, great fun in Contractors 😀
I thought you'd be connecting to a MAC! Why in windows??
Does the mic work on this virtal desktop because i tried stream assistant and everyone in chat immediately muted me took guy come up to me say i have xbox mic and was sounding like i had robot sound pad on. so i had felt so annoyed with pico 4. but dont get me wrong i love my damn pico 4. just felt like spent $400 on vr that requires me buy virtual desktop. if we look at quest 1 & 2 they didn't need that. theres no videos explain so thats why i had to ask about mic issues.
I stream using OBS so it sounds to me like it's stream assistant causing problems. Pico 4 mic using OBS sounds nice and crisp
Do you have your PC linked to you router with an ethernet cable and is your router in the same room as your PC?..
I use a dedicated router set up in AP mode which is right next to my play space 😀
What pc or computer do I need to set this all up on my pico 4 pro?
Hi mac I had problems with VD app in the past, should I wait until they release the d link vr air bridge adapter?
From word of mouth, no. If you've had problems with the VD app then I would say it's a problem at your end, not VD. What is your PC spec? Router? Any other information?
question might sound dumb but idk why but the saturation and colors dont look that good is there any way to increase saturation? (im using ultra settings on pico 4 if thats important) i thought it might be my headset but when playing games internally with my pico the colors look better than on virtual desktop steam vr i also copied all your settings
I want to stream to be Pico 4 by USB. Do I need to buy Virtual Desktop on the Pico, or on Steam, or both!?
On the Pico store in the headset, only version that works 😉
So with quest air link ... Virtual Desktop is not necessary?
I prefer VD due to its adjustability and flexibility but airline works fine 🙂
Virtual Desktop is really good, way better than ALVR or AirLink, I've got an issue with it though that every minute or so a large network spike will cause a stutter, which ruins my gameplay, especially if I'm playing something like Beat Saber where every second is important. I tried everything, read every tip, made sure everything was correct, changed so many settings in my router couldn't fix it. So I recently bought a new router gonna see if that fixes it, because other than that problem everything with this app is perfect.
Same here.. just bought the asus router that's recommended for vd, i also hope it's gonna fix the stuttering
@@vnapjv200 you have the same problem I have? Because I thought it could have something to do with the program, because I never get that spike with alvr, I wanted to test with a new router as I thought it'd be a quick way to find out
Don’t crank up the VR bitrate to 150mbps but start around 80mbps and increase gradually until you start experiencing again those spikes, this has made a major difference with my setup
Also try running the performance overlay and it will tell you specifically where these lag spikes are coming from.
@@MacInVR That's the thing where you push the two control sticks in? If so yeah I've done that, that''s how I know it's a network spike, the other 3 never go orange, network stays normal and then every minute almost like clockwork a huge spike, I thought it might be a QoS feature on my router that's set to go every min but I turned them all off and still got it.
Do You need to have your pc running while on virtual desktop or can i have it turn off
Mac my pc is on wifi and my router is in another room and a can not run an ethernet cable, can you get round this problem with the upcoming pico dongle or the dlink dongle for meta ?
Google powerline adaptors, I use them to get ethernet to my PC, then connect the headset to the 5ghz channel of your router
do you need to buy it on the pico 4 and the quest 2?
3080,32gb ddr5 ram intel i5 12600kf my rig..any tips for setting it
I just bought pico 4(waiting for delivery) you have to buy virtual desktop on pc and on vr glasses or is enought on just one platform?
Ok i should watch to the end before commenting
Buy from the Pico store on your headset 😀
I have the pico 4 and a 4090 do I need to adjust the resolution within steam vr to my headsets native resolution? It's currently set at 3360x3360
how do i check if it runs on my pc my pc is a gaming laptop btw i dont know and im affraid that when i buy it it will not work and i will not get a refund
Run the Steam vr performance app on your laptop, that will tell you
how can i find the oculus app i cant find it and download
How do i use vd with the wired?
I have wifi 6 router and 3090 graphics card but I see video encoding artifact when I play with my pico 4.. weird noisy pixels moving.. will it be solved with a better network cable?
What does VD say your mbps is (top left in menu). Can you run the performance overlay and see what happens when the problem occurs?
@@MacInVR
framerate: 60 to 80
latency: 30 to 40 ms
bitrate: 100 mbps
5 ghz network 1200 mbs but it fluctuates up and down, sometimes it is almost at 500 Mbps..
game: 20ms
and everything else looks normal and fine..
I have noticed that on my Quest 2, I get 1200mbps rock solid. On my Pico 4, it fluctuates between 800-1000, this has to be a problem with the Pico OS?
Your problem won't be solved by a better network cable, VD is only interested in the strength of your wifi
@@MacInVR if that's the case.. really hope they come out with an update soon that fixes it.. there was one time it was so bad that it switched to the 2.4 Ghz network automatically and it wasn't comfortable for the eyes..
I really need help. I did have this working flawlessly today on my pico 4, but my battery died while playing half-life alyx in steam VR. Now, no matter what, virtual desktop crashes every time I use steam VR.
Sounds like a corrupted game file or save? Try unistalling both the streamer app (PC) and VD from your Pico and re-installing 🤔
@@MacInVR yeah I basically nuked steam, steam VR, virtual desktop and added Pico 4 to DMZ on my router, that seemed to fix it. I think it was some random network issue.
Do you need a good pc, bc my pc is very bad and laggy
You will need a VR ready PC so use the SteamVR Perfoemance app to check (free download)
@@MacInVR its not ready, isnt it another way
Unless you have something like Shadow PC where you live (a cloud PC service).
while being connected to my routers 5Gz channel, it's still pretty bad. I've got a 650 MHz connection which i think is pretty okay but its pretty awful once you get in game. i dont really know what do do now since all of my games are on steam. I'm thinking of buying the meta quest link and try to connect it directly to my computer. Do you have any tips?
I can't find the link but there's a complete guide for setting up your router, on reddit. Things like setting the wifi bandwidth, channels, etc. Even 5ghz can look bad under the wrong settings.
@@freemanol could you send me the link?
@@freemanol i just bought a 5 meter usb-c 3.2 cable to connect directly into my pc. hope that makes it better.
@Gary its one floor above me, so id say 7 meters maybe.
I have done a video on router settings, look on my channel
Can you help me step by step to be able to buy games from the store and pico 4 please iam in the US
Everything over 500 mbps should be fine for virtual desktop. My internet speed is 5 mbps so I guess Im sticking to the cable unfourtanately haha
Internet speed doesn't matter, it's the strength of your wifi 😀
@@MacInVR really, even with such slow download speeds? I also don't have 5ghz network does that play a role?
It won't work without a 5ghz wifi network. As far as your internet, VD is only interested in the strength of your wifi, download speed doesn't matter 🙂
@@MacInVR good to know, really thankful for your quick answers
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How to buy VD in Russia? paypal was blocked, but you do not accept "world" cards
This is absolutely the worst, my router and pc are in different rooms and I can't relocate neither of them and there's no way to connect ethernet cable, for fuck sake everything goes to shit
Use powerline adaptors, that how I get ethernet to my garden office which is 10m away from my house. Google them but make sure you get the Gigabit version.
@@MacInVR are powerline adapters like a blocks u plug into the wall, cause last time when we got new router the guy gave us those to better the WiFi across the house or something, so I just need to plug one of these next to router and another one next to my pc?
Yep, that's what I use. Ethernet from ISP router to powerline. Powerline next to PC and plus another ethernet in
i hate hate hate how it cost money its so dum
You dont actually need the step 3
If you are using a Pico headset and DON'T have any Meta PC VR titles then yes, you are correct 👍
@@MacInVR i use my quest 2 on my pc without the oculus app, just directly to the steamvr through vd
@@gonsodany And how do you play Stormland ot Asgard?
@@marpex-market dont play them, i use steamvr
@@gonsodany Exactly. But if you play them, you need Step 3. ;)
An I9 is "mid-level"? Is he TRYING to be funny?
I was referring to my GPU really 😉
@@MacInVR Ah, okay. Because i would consider an I5 with a Nvidia 1660 Super w 4-6GB memory to be around "mid" level. Your I9 is a lot of power to be putting behind that.
steam removed thier VR test, is there any other alternative?
Not at the moment, sorry 😐
@@MacInVR i’ve got a 3060ti though, definitely wont be able to run anything at god mode, but it should definitely work