Virtual Desktop is a total must have for every Quest / Pico user. Every other solution cannot compete with this one. The developer is very supportive and cares about every single issue. Tweaking the settings to get VR games running properly on a mid-range PC needs quite a lot more fiddling around with settings and knowledge on how resolution, VRAM, CPU+GPU and in-game graphics settings (especially texture size and DLSS) are working together. Most content creators do have a RTX 4080 GPUs or higher, so almost every game will run pretty good even with high standard settings. But if you have a RTX 2070 SUPER or RTX 3070 Laptop things are very different. You need to consider Codec Type, VRAM usage a lot and in some games like No Man's Sky or Kajak Mirage VR there is no way around using SSW to get a smooth gameplay with a decent visual quality. In the end a lot comes down to personal preference too. Some people may like a buttersmooth 90fps experience more than crisp graphis, others can't stand a single stutter. But i think it's important for the VR market and especially for new users, who may have used standalone to date and want to try PCVR, to know that they don't need a high end GPU to run VR. Of course sacrifices need to be made if you run VR on a RTX 2070 with only 8GB of VRAM. It's possible, but unfortunately not in quick and easy steps.
The real message here is that you need to learn how to use VD, so this video is a baseline for beginners to start with. As for all content creators having an RTX 4080 😂 I only just upgraded from a 2080 TI
@@MacInVR my fastest GPU is still a RTX 4070 with 12GB, which i would consider to be in the midrange area, but i also have PCs with an RTX 2070S, RTX 3070 and RTX 3070 Laptop, which all have 8GB of VRAM (and every system has different CPUs too). The baseline to start with VR and VD for people with those type of systems needs to consider VRAM, STEAM VR and in-game settings and how to measure the maximum performance on those type of systems and then go up with certain settings to get the best performance and/or visuals possible. There is basically no real beginners guide available how to run PCVR as a total newbie and explanation how all of this works to understand where to optimize depending on your individual preferences. But i guess that would just miss the point here, since this needs to be explained in-depth in a longer video with real-life examples. And those are not quick and easy steps.
Should I use VD if I have a rtx3070 32 gb of fast ram and I9? I have always used steam vr to play my games and have issues with stutters, shakes and black judders. Would VD help any of this? Thanks
Give it a try. Your system is perfectly capable of running on high setting (streamer tab). Meta has a very good refund policy, so if you use VD for less than 2 hours and you don't like it, you can get a full refund. However, if you're getting the same problems with VD (stutter/shakes), then there is something wrong with your setup so jump over to my discord for further help 😉
These virtual desktop refresh videos are a treat. Thanks for always putting these out. Once I went wireless with your first video, I can't go back to wires. I also use a power line adapter to my studio. Great mention of it here! 🎉
I've just had a bad issue with virtual desktop. Despite having a decent AX6000 Asus router, the bitrate was showing 17mbps in games (air link and steam link were the same). I tried everything and formatting windows and resetting the router didn't help. Now I have discovered the fix and it wasn't what I imagined. Virtual desktop was using my CPU onboard graphics (AMD 7700X). Every game looked terrible and I couldn't increase the bitrate because it only went up to 17mbps. So if you get this issue, go into 'device manager' and look under display adaptors. The cpu onboard graphics will be there. Just disable it (or disable it in the bios) and it will then use your main graphics card instead. I was at my wits end until I found this. I suspect it happened after AMD released an update on its software/drivers. So keep that in mind if this happens to you👍
Thank you 👏👏👏 I've liked and subscribed . I'll follow your advice and have a go as a 76yr old simmer pc gaming isn't life grand 1983/4 Microsoft flight sim 😳 who would have thought how lucky we are now ❤
Love your detailed videos! Finally getting back into VR with my Quest 3 and Virtual Desktop has been awesome so far. Never messed with the settings to much but I will now. THANKS! One question.. does Airlink interfere with Virtual Desktop? Should I disable it? .. okay that's 2 lol
Surprisingly enough, I get smoother gameplay with VD WITHOUT my 1660ti 16gb/6gb vram laptop connected to an ethernet cable compared to using Meta quest link's official cable! I bet it'd be EVEN smoother with VD and laptop connected via ethernet. But would love to see a tutorial vid on remote connecting to your pc via VD!
Unfortunately, i have a connection problem with the VD app. I install windows again, I restart the quest 3 and reinstalling the vd app on Quest 3 and the pc, but whatever I do, the vd app can't find my pc, the app problem suddenly start 1 week ago, before that I easily connect to my computer without any problem. I also don't add any app or change anything to my pc. Also, the Steam link app and air link apps are working without problem, and I use them right now for my pc vr gaming. This is really ridiculous for the paid app to have this kind of problem.
Hello, sir. My headset arrived earlier today, so I was amazed to find such useful content right away! I found out the capacity of the battery was not even close enough for my needs, so I also ordered a Bobovr S3 pro Super Strap. Now, one question, if I may. With the Virtual Desktop and s 5 GHz router, do I need that Oculus Link cable people are talking about? Thank you!
@@MacInVR thank you for the response! I have a router working in 5 GHz/2.4 GHz channels one meter away from my PC. I tried to play SUPERHOT using an AirLink/SteamLink (5 GHz) wireless connection and the quality was very poor, I experienced delays and WIFI connection loss a couple of times. My RX5700 XT, according to the specifications, should allow running the games on medium settings comfortably. If you could give me a clue as to what might be the issue, I would be much obliged.
@@fourtwain I use Virtual Desktop now instead of USB cable with a 5Ghz secondary router next to my PC. Only play sim racing games and it's much better than cable. Bear in mind my PC has an RTX4090, 64GB DDR5 RAM and top end Intel CPU so I can ramp up the settings and use the AV1 codec.
Hi, firstly thank you very much for all the information on how to play WRC better with VR. They are very very helpful!! I have a problem when I play wrc on my Quest 3 Virtual Desktop. While I have a great picture after doing the settings you suggested and I have a great picture when i'm inside the car, if I move my head even a little while wearing the VR of course, or there is a closed turn , the image shakes, makes "breaks", as a result of which it is very tiring for me!! And all this with an incredible image and 90 fps!!!! Am I doing something wrong?? Thanks in advance🙂
I'm very sorry to tell you this bit, EA WRC doesn't work well with Virtual Desktop. I have done an EA WRC video using the link cable, even then, it is still troublesome. Dirt Rally 2.0 works flawlessly however 🤩
Yeah but there’s a second part that I have to do that says “in the app, accept the prompt to allow access or manually enter your meta user name” so what do I do
Great stuff. This is my set up, I have the 4080 Super and Quest 3 and so I am able to use the AV1 codec. I also have a PrismXR air link bridge to connect my Quest 3 to my PC and it works great. Wireless VR is the way to go hands down.
@@BeamedAgain AV1 is rock solid, no issues. It's recommended by the developer of VD, Guy Godin. Although the comparison is by no means scientific, AV1 seems more stable, with almost no connection drops where the picture gets fuzzy. I seemed to have more of that kind of thing with H264+, although overalll its a solid codec.
I'm using Virtual Desktop since my Oculus Go and I never would have bought a Pico4 if it didn't have Virtual Desktop. All of my headsets have it. One thing I noticed: you should have the 2.4 ghz channel and the 5 ghz channel of your router separated, so your headset doesn't have the option to choose automatically the strongest signal. With my Quest3 there is not much of a problem, but I noticed that my Pico4 liked to pick the 2.4 channel. Now seperated on the router I can dedicate the 5 ghz channel to my Pico4 and have 1200 mbps instead of somewhere lower than 400 mbps. Especially playing Beatsaber with the Pico4 has a lot of latency with the 2.4 channel.
I don't think virtual desktop is needed if you're just going to connect your PC to your headset. I do believe you require a special cable for that though. Virtual Desktop is intended for wireless PCVR gaming.
Thank you for your response! :) I run a 4080 with a 7000x3d, and i shall be using the dedicated router so bit rate should be a non issue. I was set on AV1 10bit based but then i stumbled on the reddit post name bellow, where h264+ looked clearer than AV1 at 400bit rate, so that confused me again on what to choose, i have seen other TH-cam videos saying use AV1 like you and others saying to use H264+, so i was just trying to get clarification on why exactly you used that codec. Reddit post: Virtual Desktop AV1 vs H264+ vs Airlink (Quest 3)
Great video mate; really to the point. BTW how far would a 3070TI from the setup you describe? I know the new 40XX have the new bells and whistles systems for frame generation; does that affect VR too or a 30XX card is just fine too ? Also does this work also if you want to play wired seated games or only wireless? Thanks!
30 series works well. 3070TI would be completely fine. I have a 3060ti which isnt exactly "amazing" for vr with only 8GB VRAM but it runs fine in all my vr games. Smooth 90hz on High preset at 500mbit. Virtual Desktop doesnt connect by wire only wireless, you would need a link cable and meta link software for wired.
Question, I have a Quest 3, V6 router, PC is with an UTP connected to the router. Quest 3 gives Wifi 6 in the Router. Still I see 5G and 1200Mbit in the virtual desktop. Do I miss something here?
Great video, 1 issue- when I open VR Desktop with my headset on the settings screen disappears after 1 sec and I dont have time to access or change any of the settings. How to reopen the settings page in VR?
I’ve used VD for +4yrs starting with a Q1 and it works great. Your setup tips are very good. However, with the right settings I get pretty well the same clarity with smoother performance using Air Link at 200mbps Dynamic bitrate (hevc). Each to their own and whichever one works best for you it mainly comes down to personal preference imho. Also, I get the best results with flight sims like msfs2020 with both my Q3 and QPro/rtx4090 using an official link cable connected to my z790mb usb 3.2 type c port with 650mbps encoding bitrate (h264). Bit better distant clarity and 7-10ms lower latency. My z790 mb provides enough power to maintain my headset battery at +80% for +6hrs.
I suppose it's whatever suits you, I've used airline and it works well. I just prefer the ease of use and versatility of VD (don't get me started on the default settings in Oculus & debug tool!). Thanks for commenting, nice to get an alternate view 😀
@@MacInVR Ya, VD is definitely easier to setup and get good results, especially for those that don’t want to learn to use meta-link, ODT, and OTT. I’m still happy to have VD as a backup, just in case Meta temporarily screws up an update, lol!
I use an Iniu link cable that has a built in USB port for your Meta headset charger. That keeps everything at 100% for as long as you want, highly recommended and only £18 😉 amzn.to/45IbL4R
@@MacInVR Ya, I’ve used that and it works great. I still prefer my +4yo official link cable because it’s thinner, lighter, and more flexible. Fortunately my z790 usb3.2 gen2 type c port supply’s enough power, unlike many others. Actual performance is the same with both though. So, very good option for many others.
My connection to my shadow power pc breaks all fiew minutes, not in the same network and the the usb 3 doesnt work with quest link either. What to do ?
I have about the same setup as you, except for a 4090. I agree will all of your recommendations except for the need of a second router. I'm using a the same wifi6e router you are without any issues as my only router. If you are on the 6ghz network you have few other devices that are even accessing it at the same time over that frequency except for perhaps a newer smartphone. I have never seen any extra latency or drop on quality while playing games at high resolutions or settings. Now if you have a shit router, I'd agree to get a better one, but I don't see the need for a dedicated one. Good video.
Meta have changed the rules and you now need to follow each other. Jump on my discord (link below), we have a dedicated bucket for referrals and following.
I can't even buy virtual desktop on Quest. I got a Vr headset last week, there seems to be a mark on a lens that won't go away no matter what micro fiber cloth I use. The graphics and in game stuff is all blurry and glitchy. Sometimes just stutters everywhere. To the point of making me sick. Meta won't accept any of my debit cards. And yeah, every game just seems bad (My rig can supposedly handle several vr headsets running max graphics. I just apparently can't set it all up, no matter what I try)
If h264+ can go up to 400bits and you have a dedicated wifi6e router surely this would be a better options than AV1 10bit? you said av1 has all the shiny bits but never actually mentioned what these are?
That's a good point, H264 is an older codec, and running it at 400mbps introduces extra latency without any real benefit (for me). I run an RTX 4080, so AV1 10 Bit is the better option for me as it is the most modern & efficient codec. Great question btw, what system do.you run?
@@MacInVR Thank you for your response! :) I run a 4080 with a 7000x3d, and i shall be using the dedicated router so bit rate should be a non issue. I was set on AV1 10bit based but then i stumbled on the reddit post name bellow, where h264+ looked clearer than AV1 at 400bit rate, so that confused me again on what to choose, i have seen other TH-cam videos saying use AV1 like you and others saying to use H264+, so i was just trying to get clarification on why exactly you used that codec. Reddit post: Virtual Desktop AV1 vs H264+ vs Airlink (Quest 3)
@@MacInVR Thank you for your response! :) I run a 4080 with a 7000x3d, and i shall be using the dedicated router so bit rate should be a non issue. I was set on AV1 10bit based but then i stumbled on the reddit post called Virtual Desktop AV1 vs H264+ vs Airlink (Quest 3), where h264+ looked clearer than AV1 at 400bit rate, so that confused me again on what to choose, i have seen other TH-cam videos saying use AV1 like you and others saying to use H264+, so i was just trying to get clarification on why exactly you used that codec.
Hi Ive Done all You Have shown Is There AnyWay To Disable Steam Link So I Can Just Use Virtual Desktop To Stream My Steam VR Games To My Quest 3 Because When I Start Virtual Desktop All Starts Well Click Games Then The Steam Game I Want To Play But The Steam Link Keeps Taking Over So When I Click Menu To Change Virtual Desktop In Game It Keeps Showing Steam Link Menu And Settings
Seems to depend on the person or game. For the most part VD appears to come out on top based on what I'm reading on all recent reddits and comment sections. Glad it working for you though.
Direct from VD helpline (though I haven't tried it myself). "Can I connect to my computer over the Internet? Yes, make sure "Allow remote connections" is checked in the Streamer window. You'll also need to enable UPnP on your router and the Streamer App will forward the required ports automatically. If you want to manually configure your router, forward TCP ports 38810, 38820, 38830 and 38840. All traffic uses end-to-end encryption"
I understand getting a second router is helpful. Personally i don't have one and don't feel like i need to. Note my main router is in the same room as my playspace. I get 1200 Mbps no problem on my Q2. I did sperate my wifi bands and only have my Quest and Phone using the 5Ghz band. Usually i turn my phone wifi off when playing just in case but i often don't and never had an issue in quality/latency. Now am i not understanding somthing? Am i ignoring the potential benefits? Or am i just lucky to have a good setup? Please tell me, im interested!
@@MacInVR Thanks ! I learned from the best🤘 I mostly used your guide years ago, i barely touched it since and itd still rock solid. I do have a question tho. So im using HEVC 10BIT, i see im limited to 150Mbps, but fir you it goes up to 200Mbps. Is this a Q2 bottleneck?
@MacInVR haha ok. I have a laptop using Virtual Desktop with a i7 4070 in it. It's been a headache trying to tweak games to run smoothly and look sharp. I'll try your suggestions to hopefully fix the issues going on. Framerate is all over the place and I found turning ON the SSW actually helped.
Is it okay if I don't use Ethernet for virtual desktop? Or is it a absolute must have? My wifi is good as it is but if I need a ethernet I will get it for it, just curious.
i have a tplink archer AXE75 and my quest 3 cant see the 6ghz band i tried everything im on v66 my quest pro can see the 6ghz band and works perfect im not sure whats going on , does anyone have the same router and can see 6ghz normally on their quest 3?
Hi. I've have Virgin Hub5 router which is WiFi6. My Virtual Desktop shows that I'm getting 5Ghz network at 1200 Mbps. Would connecting a 6e router (such as the one you show) to this give me 2400 Mbps? Thanks.
Yes I have a WiFi 5 Virgin hub connected to the router he showed (AXE75) which is then plugged into my pc. I connect the quest to the WiFi 6e router 6ghz band and I can play at 2400mbps. I get 500mbit on Virtual Desktop.
Maaan, I really want to get into PCVR for those sweet, sweet mods but this is what keeps me away. I don't want to have to learn C++ just to play a game. Is it simply not possible to make a program where the user puts in their preferred settings and the app automatically adjusts settings to get as close as possible? That seems like it would be easy to do but then again, I know NOTHING about programming. If it was easy, I'm sure someone would have done it by now. Sigh.
@@MacInVR Well that makes me feel a lot better! LOL. Have to get a new PC anyway for work from home stuff so ya know what? I'm finally gonna give it a try. I'll start slow, vanilla, then ease into the mods 😄 you done convinced me good sir!
@@MacInVR yes, thank you. I never liked the meta software. Meta forced me to update a few days ago and now I cant play DCS. I thought the virtual desktop would be the solution but I guess you need to be wired to a router but Im not and cant. I tried steamvr but its no good. Maybe Ill try to revert meta back to its old drivers.
Okay, you're missing the point. A lot of my friends play DCS via Virtual Desktop. It's a wireless service that bypasses Meta link. Go to the store on your Meta headset (in headset) search for virtual desktop, it costs about $19.99, download it, follow my tips, play DCS
The reason I don't use VD is because my PC is far away from the router, and even the very idea of having to connect it directly via an Ethernet cable is automatically a pain in the .ss factor.
During the video, I mention that you can use powerline adaptors. My office is in the garden, 20m away from my router so I used TP-Link powerline adaptors to get internet (and ethernet) to my PC 🖥
SSW no longer causes shimmering in games. The recommendation to disable it is incorrect. By making this incorrect recommendation, you are misleading people into losing half the fps they could otherwise achieve. Having a second dedicated router is also an incorrect recommendation. Running two separate WiFi networks is a recipe for RFI. Instead, optimizing a single WiFi network is the best way to ensure optimal network performance.
The developer Guy Godin recommends using a dedicated router. It is well known within the community that this is the best option to optimise VD. SSW is a personal choice, and it absolutely does not work with all games. I've recently tried SSW with EA WRC & Contractors Showdown, it made the experience worse. Yes, in the right circumstances, SSW is a great tool but that's all it is, a tool.
@@MacInVR - Guy Goodin & anyone else who recommends a separate dedicated wireless AP/router for PCVR is wrong. They make this recommendation because a) they aren’t network specialists themselves, b) most people are unwilling to expend any effort to learn enough about optimizing WiFi to do this correctly, & c) aren’t willing to spend the money to replace their existing WiFi network, if required. Unfortunately, this leads to problems; most of the horror stories one reads about people who tried PCVR but had bad experiences can be traced to poor WiFi network configuration & performance. What’s cheapest & easiest often isn’t best.
We obviously bow to your superior knowledge Roly, but if you listen to Mac's video, he clearly states that the settings he uses works for him.Those settings are may not be to everyone's system,and experimentation, with patience, is needed. Unless you can come up with better ideas, I'm sticking with Mac
Mac's recommendation (imo) to not use SSW and adjust your settings accordingly for the best experience is the way to go. If it's incorrect then I am also 'misleading' people as I always suggest turning it off as it causes me to see shimmering in many games and also frame stutters (which I don't get when it is switched off). Mac also states in the video "These are MY best settings, Use these as a base, and work out what's best for you" Everyone has differing set ups and will all have different results.
Virtual Desktop is a total must have for every Quest / Pico user. Every other solution cannot compete with this one. The developer is very supportive and cares about every single issue.
Tweaking the settings to get VR games running properly on a mid-range PC needs quite a lot more fiddling around with settings and knowledge on how resolution, VRAM, CPU+GPU and in-game graphics settings (especially texture size and DLSS) are working together. Most content creators do have a RTX 4080 GPUs or higher, so almost every game will run pretty good even with high standard settings. But if you have a RTX 2070 SUPER or RTX 3070 Laptop things are very different. You need to consider Codec Type, VRAM usage a lot and in some games like No Man's Sky or Kajak Mirage VR there is no way around using SSW to get a smooth gameplay with a decent visual quality. In the end a lot comes down to personal preference too. Some people may like a buttersmooth 90fps experience more than crisp graphis, others can't stand a single stutter.
But i think it's important for the VR market and especially for new users, who may have used standalone to date and want to try PCVR, to know that they don't need a high end GPU to run VR. Of course sacrifices need to be made if you run VR on a RTX 2070 with only 8GB of VRAM. It's possible, but unfortunately not in quick and easy steps.
The real message here is that you need to learn how to use VD, so this video is a baseline for beginners to start with.
As for all content creators having an RTX 4080 😂 I only just upgraded from a 2080 TI
@@MacInVR my fastest GPU is still a RTX 4070 with 12GB, which i would consider to be in the midrange area, but i also have PCs with an RTX 2070S, RTX 3070 and RTX 3070 Laptop, which all have 8GB of VRAM (and every system has different CPUs too).
The baseline to start with VR and VD for people with those type of systems needs to consider VRAM, STEAM VR and in-game settings and how to measure the maximum performance on those type of systems and then go up with certain settings to get the best performance and/or visuals possible.
There is basically no real beginners guide available how to run PCVR as a total newbie and explanation how all of this works to understand where to optimize depending on your individual preferences.
But i guess that would just miss the point here, since this needs to be explained in-depth in a longer video with real-life examples. And those are not quick and easy steps.
Should I use VD if I have a rtx3070 32 gb of fast ram and I9? I have always used steam vr to play my games and have issues with stutters, shakes and black judders. Would VD help any of this?
Thanks
Give it a try. Your system is perfectly capable of running on high setting (streamer tab).
Meta has a very good refund policy, so if you use VD for less than 2 hours and you don't like it, you can get a full refund.
However, if you're getting the same problems with VD (stutter/shakes), then there is something wrong with your setup so jump over to my discord for further help 😉
@@MacInVR I'll give it a try, that fast reply earned a sub. Thanks for the help 👍🏻
Honestly Mac you’re the only one I’ve seen who explains the codecs and what effect they have on latency. Thank you!
These virtual desktop refresh videos are a treat. Thanks for always putting these out. Once I went wireless with your first video, I can't go back to wires.
I also use a power line adapter to my studio. Great mention of it here! 🎉
They are a life saver if you can't get ethernet to your PC 😊
My first ever Mac In VR content was a Virtual Desktop setup video. Now I’m a channel member and you can be too!!
You've come full circle mate 😍
How do I unsubscribe from this guy?
@IndieVR you can't 😈
@@IndieVR If you click the thumbs up button and the the bell icon you’ll be unsubscribed. 👍+🔔= 🚫
@@Assassin32VR Thanks!!! I also became a channel member just to make sure 🥳
I've just had a bad issue with virtual desktop. Despite having a decent AX6000 Asus router, the bitrate was showing 17mbps in games (air link and steam link were the same). I tried everything and formatting windows and resetting the router didn't help. Now I have discovered the fix and it wasn't what I imagined. Virtual desktop was using my CPU onboard graphics (AMD 7700X). Every game looked terrible and I couldn't increase the bitrate because it only went up to 17mbps. So if you get this issue, go into 'device manager' and look under display adaptors. The cpu onboard graphics will be there. Just disable it (or disable it in the bios) and it will then use your main graphics card instead. I was at my wits end until I found this. I suspect it happened after AMD released an update on its software/drivers. So keep that in mind if this happens to you👍
Thank you 👏👏👏 I've liked and subscribed . I'll follow your advice and have a go as a 76yr old simmer pc gaming isn't life grand 1983/4 Microsoft flight sim 😳 who would have thought how lucky we are now ❤
That makes you the 2nd oldest member of my community 😉
Best video ever. Ivf watched a bunch but couldn’t still figure it out.
Thank you so much!!!!
Love your detailed videos! Finally getting back into VR with my Quest 3 and Virtual Desktop has been awesome so far. Never messed with the settings to much but I will now. THANKS! One question.. does Airlink interfere with Virtual Desktop? Should I disable it? .. okay that's 2 lol
I don't think it does interfere, you can always check using the PC streamer app by clicking check for interfering apps 😉
Love your intro!!!!
Thanks for the referral, but its all used up.
Thanks man, I try to keep it lighthearted 😉
Very informative 👌
9:02 I wish you could have explaned a bit more about the codec and what the difference are and what their roles are.
Surprisingly enough, I get smoother gameplay with VD WITHOUT my 1660ti 16gb/6gb vram laptop connected to an ethernet cable compared to using Meta quest link's official cable! I bet it'd be EVEN smoother with VD and laptop connected via ethernet. But would love to see a tutorial vid on remote connecting to your pc via VD!
Unfortunately, i have a connection problem with the VD app. I install windows again, I restart the quest 3 and reinstalling the vd app on Quest 3 and the pc, but whatever I do, the vd app can't find my pc, the app problem suddenly start 1 week ago, before that I easily connect to my computer without any problem. I also don't add any app or change anything to my pc. Also, the Steam link app and air link apps are working without problem, and I use them right now for my pc vr gaming. This is really ridiculous for the paid app to have this kind of problem.
The video's volume is on the low side
I shall look into it, thanks 😊
(shrug) seems good to me. Always has
Agree it was on low side had to turn phone vol right up. Excellent informative video though.👍
Great video
I have the same wifi 6 router as you but I have a 4070 GPU so I am hoping it looks pretty good
Hello, sir. My headset arrived earlier today, so I was amazed to find such useful content right away!
I found out the capacity of the battery was not even close enough for my needs, so I also ordered a Bobovr S3 pro Super Strap.
Now, one question, if I may. With the Virtual Desktop and s 5 GHz router, do I need that Oculus Link cable people are talking about?
Thank you!
You do not need it, you can play all your PC VR wireless now. Thanks for your nice comments 👍
@@MacInVR thank you for the response!
I have a router working in 5 GHz/2.4 GHz channels one meter away from my PC. I tried to play SUPERHOT using an AirLink/SteamLink (5 GHz) wireless connection and the quality was very poor, I experienced delays and WIFI connection loss a couple of times.
My RX5700 XT, according to the specifications, should allow running the games on medium settings comfortably. If you could give me a clue as to what might be the issue, I would be much obliged.
@@MacInVR should I buy the Virtual Desktop and start using it instead?
@@fourtwain I use Virtual Desktop now instead of USB cable with a 5Ghz secondary router next to my PC. Only play sim racing games and it's much better than cable. Bear in mind my PC has an RTX4090, 64GB DDR5 RAM and top end Intel CPU so I can ramp up the settings and use the AV1 codec.
Hi,
firstly thank you very much for all the information on how to play WRC better with VR.
They are very very helpful!!
I have a problem when I play wrc on my Quest 3 Virtual Desktop.
While I have a great picture after doing the settings you suggested and I have a great picture when i'm inside the car, if I move my head even a little while wearing the VR of course, or there is a closed turn , the image shakes, makes "breaks", as a result of which it is very tiring for me!!
And all this with an incredible image and 90 fps!!!!
Am I doing something wrong??
Thanks in advance🙂
I'm very sorry to tell you this bit, EA WRC doesn't work well with Virtual Desktop. I have done an EA WRC video using the link cable, even then, it is still troublesome.
Dirt Rally 2.0 works flawlessly however 🤩
Yeah but there’s a second part that I have to do that says “in the app, accept the prompt to allow access or manually enter your meta user name” so what do I do
Go to the Meta (or Pico) app, se3 what your user name is and enter it into the streamer app 🤔
Great stuff. This is my set up, I have the 4080 Super and Quest 3 and so I am able to use the AV1 codec. I also have a PrismXR air link bridge to connect my Quest 3 to my PC and it works great. Wireless VR is the way to go hands down.
How is AV1 compared to H264+? I have a 3060 ti so I can't run AV1 :( But h264+ still looks really good at 500mbit
@@BeamedAgain AV1 is rock solid, no issues. It's recommended by the developer of VD, Guy Godin. Although the comparison is by no means scientific, AV1 seems more stable, with almost no connection drops where the picture gets fuzzy. I seemed to have more of that kind of thing with H264+, although overalll its a solid codec.
I'm using Virtual Desktop since my Oculus Go and I never would have bought a Pico4 if it didn't have Virtual Desktop. All of my headsets have it. One thing I noticed: you should have the 2.4 ghz channel and the 5 ghz channel of your router separated, so your headset doesn't have the option to choose automatically the strongest signal. With my Quest3 there is not much of a problem, but I noticed that my Pico4 liked to pick the 2.4 channel. Now seperated on the router I can dedicate the 5 ghz channel to my Pico4 and have 1200 mbps instead of somewhere lower than 400 mbps. Especially playing Beatsaber with the Pico4 has a lot of latency with the 2.4 channel.
Yh when i got my router I had to seperate 2.4 and 5ghz from 6ghz, before i was getting 1000mbps and when i split the speeds I was on 6ghz at 2400mbps
@@BeamedAgain I have a new router with Wifi 6+ and have similar speeds in VD with my Quest3. But I'm happy with the 1200 mbps on my Pico 4 as well.
How do we go about separating the signals and assigning them to specific connections? Thank you in advance
@@Subfightr That's in the setup of your router, the WiFi configuration. In those settings you can give each channel a different password.
And does Virtual Desktop support direct connection to PC via USB-C cable? This would be much more reliable than any Wi-Fi connection
I don't think virtual desktop is needed if you're just going to connect your PC to your headset. I do believe you require a special cable for that though. Virtual Desktop is intended for wireless PCVR gaming.
Thank you for your response! :)
I run a 4080 with a 7000x3d, and i shall be using the dedicated router so bit rate should be a non issue.
I was set on AV1 10bit based but then i stumbled on the reddit post name bellow, where h264+ looked clearer than AV1 at 400bit rate, so that confused me again on what to choose, i have seen other TH-cam videos saying use AV1 like you and others saying to use H264+, so i was just trying to get clarification on why exactly you used that codec.
Reddit post: Virtual Desktop AV1 vs H264+ vs Airlink (Quest 3)
VD is fantastic but should offer more presets between ultra (2800px) and godlike (3200px)
Thanks! Now i can test my gorilla tag fan game in unity!
Hey man your really good keep going
Thanks 😍
Great video mate; really to the point. BTW how far would a 3070TI from the setup you describe? I know the new 40XX have the new bells and whistles systems for frame generation; does that affect VR too or a 30XX card is just fine too ? Also does this work also if you want to play wired seated games or only wireless? Thanks!
30 series works well. 3070TI would be completely fine. I have a 3060ti which isnt exactly "amazing" for vr with only 8GB VRAM but it runs fine in all my vr games. Smooth 90hz on High preset at 500mbit. Virtual Desktop doesnt connect by wire only wireless, you would need a link cable and meta link software for wired.
Excellent video! Thank you!
Question, I have a Quest 3, V6 router, PC is with an UTP connected to the router. Quest 3 gives Wifi 6 in the Router. Still I see 5G and 1200Mbit in the virtual desktop. Do I miss something here?
Great video, 1 issue- when I open VR Desktop with my headset on the settings screen disappears after 1 sec and I dont have time to access or change any of the settings. How to reopen the settings page in VR?
Thank you.
Cheers Ron 🍻
Thanks very informative as I want to be able to use VR sculpting programs on Steam.....Laurie NZ
I can see my desktop, but no games launch in vr 😂 I tried to use VR Desktops game tab and none of my steam vr games appear there 😢
I’ve used VD for +4yrs starting with a Q1 and it works great. Your setup tips are very good. However, with the right settings I get pretty well the same clarity with smoother performance using Air Link at 200mbps Dynamic bitrate (hevc). Each to their own and whichever one works best for you it mainly comes down to personal preference imho.
Also, I get the best results with flight sims like msfs2020 with both my Q3 and QPro/rtx4090 using an official link cable connected to my z790mb usb 3.2 type c port with 650mbps encoding bitrate (h264). Bit better distant clarity and 7-10ms lower latency. My z790 mb provides enough power to maintain my headset battery at +80% for +6hrs.
I suppose it's whatever suits you, I've used airline and it works well. I just prefer the ease of use and versatility of VD (don't get me started on the default settings in Oculus & debug tool!).
Thanks for commenting, nice to get an alternate view 😀
@@MacInVR Ya, VD is definitely easier to setup and get good results, especially for those that don’t want to learn to use meta-link, ODT, and OTT. I’m still happy to have VD as a backup, just in case Meta temporarily screws up an update, lol!
@tomc1380 it's never been known 😳😂
I use an Iniu link cable that has a built in USB port for your Meta headset charger. That keeps everything at 100% for as long as you want, highly recommended and only £18 😉
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@@MacInVR Ya, I’ve used that and it works great. I still prefer my +4yo official link cable because it’s thinner, lighter, and more flexible. Fortunately my z790 usb3.2 gen2 type c port supply’s enough power, unlike many others. Actual performance is the same with both though. So, very good option for many others.
My connection to my shadow power pc breaks all fiew minutes, not in the same network and the the usb 3 doesnt work with quest link either. What to do ?
I have about the same setup as you, except for a 4090. I agree will all of your recommendations except for the need of a second router. I'm using a the same wifi6e router you are without any issues as my only router. If you are on the 6ghz network you have few other devices that are even accessing it at the same time over that frequency except for perhaps a newer smartphone. I have never seen any extra latency or drop on quality while playing games at high resolutions or settings. Now if you have a shit router, I'd agree to get a better one, but I don't see the need for a dedicated one. Good video.
He's not saying it's a must, just that it's helpful to get the most out of it. I run it the same way you do, with no issues, that I'm aware of anyway.
The VD referral link states we have to be following each other in order for me to use it?
Meta have changed the rules and you now need to follow each other. Jump on my discord (link below), we have a dedicated bucket for referrals and following.
I can't even buy virtual desktop on Quest. I got a Vr headset last week, there seems to be a mark on a lens that won't go away no matter what micro fiber cloth I use. The graphics and in game stuff is all blurry and glitchy. Sometimes just stutters everywhere. To the point of making me sick. Meta won't accept any of my debit cards. And yeah, every game just seems bad (My rig can supposedly handle several vr headsets running max graphics. I just apparently can't set it all up, no matter what I try)
Sounds like your headset is faulty. Open a ticket with Meta (I'm guessing it's a Quest?).
As for your cards, can't help, sorry 😐
Good stuff Mac
Cheers pal 👍
If h264+ can go up to 400bits and you have a dedicated wifi6e router surely this would be a better options than AV1 10bit? you said av1 has all the shiny bits but never actually mentioned what these are?
That's a good point, H264 is an older codec, and running it at 400mbps introduces extra latency without any real benefit (for me).
I run an RTX 4080, so AV1 10 Bit is the better option for me as it is the most modern & efficient codec.
Great question btw, what system do.you run?
@@MacInVR
Thank you for your response! :)
I run a 4080 with a 7000x3d, and i shall be using the dedicated router so bit rate should be a non issue.
I was set on AV1 10bit based but then i stumbled on the reddit post name bellow, where h264+ looked clearer than AV1 at 400bit rate, so that confused me again on what to choose, i have seen other TH-cam videos saying use AV1 like you and others saying to use H264+, so i was just trying to get clarification on why exactly you used that codec.
Reddit post: Virtual Desktop AV1 vs H264+ vs Airlink (Quest 3)
@@MacInVR Thank you for your response! :)
I run a 4080 with a 7000x3d, and i shall be using the dedicated router so bit rate should be a non issue.
I was set on AV1 10bit based but then i stumbled on the reddit post called Virtual Desktop AV1 vs H264+ vs Airlink (Quest 3), where h264+ looked clearer than AV1 at 400bit rate, so that confused me again on what to choose, i have seen other TH-cam videos saying use AV1 like you and others saying to use H264+, so i was just trying to get clarification on why exactly you used that codec.
If you use wifi 6e, next time try with 6GHz and set the bitrate to 500 Mbps.
this is the way. h264+ 500mbit looks so clean
Hi Ive Done all You Have shown Is There AnyWay To Disable Steam Link So I Can Just Use Virtual Desktop To Stream My Steam VR Games To My Quest 3 Because When I Start Virtual Desktop All Starts Well Click Games Then The Steam Game I Want To Play But The Steam Link Keeps Taking Over So When I Click Menu To Change Virtual Desktop In Game It Keeps Showing Steam Link Menu And Settings
Do you mean the Steam VR UI? If so, that's normal. VD uses Steam VR if it needs too. Is it causing you problems?
@@MacInVR No Just Wanted To Make Sure Was Normal
Vd is pretty much irrelevant now cause air link is so good. I use air link and then link cable with certain games if I want the best visual clarity
Seems to depend on the person or game. For the most part VD appears to come out on top based on what I'm reading on all recent reddits and comment sections. Glad it working for you though.
I've started using the link cable recently for my sim-racing but I still favour VD for wireless PC gaming
Hi bud please update you referral link as it limited now
If you jump on my discord, there will be more referral links (check description).
Can i use it while traveling like remote play from hotel
Direct from VD helpline (though I haven't tried it myself).
"Can I connect to my computer over the Internet?
Yes, make sure "Allow remote connections" is checked in the Streamer window. You'll also need to enable UPnP on your router and the Streamer App will forward the required ports automatically. If you want to manually configure your router, forward TCP ports 38810, 38820, 38830 and 38840. All traffic uses end-to-end encryption"
Can you use the oculus link cable with VD. My router will not allow 5ghz
No point, VD is a wireless service. You'd be better off upgrading your router to one that has 5 or 6ghz
Thanks, all good. The cable just used for charging and everything works a treat. Thanks!
I understand getting a second router is helpful.
Personally i don't have one and don't feel like i need to.
Note my main router is in the same room as my playspace.
I get 1200 Mbps no problem on my Q2. I did sperate my wifi bands and only have my Quest and Phone using the 5Ghz band. Usually i turn my phone wifi off when playing just in case but i often don't and never had an issue in quality/latency.
Now am i not understanding somthing? Am i ignoring the potential benefits? Or am i just lucky to have a good setup?
Please tell me, im interested!
With your setup, you don't require a 2nd router. You've basically done everything I would recommend, so well done 😉
@@MacInVR
Thanks ! I learned from the best🤘
I mostly used your guide years ago, i barely touched it since and itd still rock solid.
I do have a question tho. So im using HEVC 10BIT, i see im limited to 150Mbps, but fir you it goes up to 200Mbps.
Is this a Q2 bottleneck?
Unchecked the "Automatic Bitrate" on the streamer app, that will allow you run at full 200mbps
@@MacInVR Thats actually what i dit but its always been stuck a 150 max 🤷♂️
What codec would you use for Quest Pro for best graphics?
I have no experience with Quest Pro, sorry. This question also depends on your PC and wifi setup 🤔
Every time I go to setup the streamer thing. It crashes every time the setup starts. How in the world do I fix this?!
I'm guessing it's your anti-virus software, turn it off then try again?
I have a 5hz router. Does a 6hz router give a better framerate or clarity? Should I upgrade that or it doesn't matter.
No, stay with what you have. 6ghz is just for TH-cam braggarts like me 😳😂
@MacInVR haha ok. I have a laptop using Virtual Desktop with a i7 4070 in it. It's been a headache trying to tweak games to run smoothly and look sharp. I'll try your suggestions to hopefully fix the issues going on. Framerate is all over the place and I found turning ON the SSW actually helped.
Please use the performance overlay to tune your setup. Join my discord to share screenshots so we can help you directly 😉
i keep getting "computer is unreachable"when i try to connect to my pc. how do i fix this?
Make sure your PC and Quest are on the same network (PC connected via ethernet & Quest connected to wifi)
Is it okay if I don't use Ethernet for virtual desktop? Or is it a absolute must have? My wifi is good as it is but if I need a ethernet I will get it for it, just curious.
VD depends on a clean, uncluttered wifi signal. The developer recommends that you use ethernet for your PC. Hope that helps 😉
You'll also want to have your router within eyesight, or so I read.
How do i change the ip
Your Referral link limit has been reached already. I don't know why they would limit the audience they could reach, but it is what it is.
They've limited it to 3 now apparently, join my discord and head to the referral link thread 😉
i have a tplink archer AXE75 and my quest 3 cant see the 6ghz band i tried everything im on v66 my quest pro can see the 6ghz band and works perfect im not sure whats going on , does anyone have the same router and can see 6ghz normally on their quest 3?
I have this router, and my Q3 connects automatically at 6ghz and 2400mbps
@@MacInVR are you on v66?
@@MacInVR do u connect to airlink normally without re pairing evey time when u restart the headset?
No
I am now but I'm away from home atm
Hi. I've have Virgin Hub5 router which is WiFi6. My Virtual Desktop shows that I'm getting 5Ghz network at 1200 Mbps. Would connecting a 6e router (such as the one you show) to this give me 2400 Mbps? Thanks.
Yes I have a WiFi 5 Virgin hub connected to the router he showed (AXE75) which is then plugged into my pc. I connect the quest to the WiFi 6e router 6ghz band and I can play at 2400mbps. I get 500mbit on Virtual Desktop.
@@BeamedAgain Excellent. Thanks for that. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Really? Wow I only have the option for up to 200 Mbps on my wifi 6 router. Interesting
I think your looking at the settings tab, you should be in the Streamer tab
Do have to have a pc
It's only $10 for this? Wow. It cost my dad $50 to get VD in 1986.
Maaan, I really want to get into PCVR for those sweet, sweet mods but this is what keeps me away. I don't want to have to learn C++ just to play a game. Is it simply not possible to make a program where the user puts in their preferred settings and the app automatically adjusts settings to get as close as possible? That seems like it would be easy to do but then again, I know NOTHING about programming. If it was easy, I'm sure someone would have done it by now. Sigh.
You don't have to do any of that, you just download the app and it works. My settings guide is for optimisation only, it really is that simple 😉
@@MacInVR Well that makes me feel a lot better! LOL. Have to get a new PC anyway for work from home stuff so ya know what? I'm finally gonna give it a try. I'll start slow, vanilla, then ease into the mods 😄 you done convinced me good sir!
It's my job 😀
There is no Virtual Desktop app in the meta store…
It's on the in-headset Quest store, search for Virtual Desktop
@@MacInVR yes, thank you. I never liked the meta software. Meta forced me to update a few days ago and now I cant play DCS. I thought the virtual desktop would be the solution but I guess you need to be wired to a router but Im not and cant. I tried steamvr but its no good. Maybe Ill try to revert meta back to its old drivers.
Okay, you're missing the point. A lot of my friends play DCS via Virtual Desktop. It's a wireless service that bypasses Meta link.
Go to the store on your Meta headset (in headset) search for virtual desktop, it costs about $19.99, download it, follow my tips, play DCS
says 2 easy step and then goes through all wiring jargons in a 10minute video
It's a setup video. You install VD in 2 easy steps, and then some advice about settings for beginners.
The reason I don't use VD is because my PC is far away from the router, and even the very idea of having to connect it directly via an Ethernet cable is automatically a pain in the .ss factor.
During the video, I mention that you can use powerline adaptors. My office is in the garden, 20m away from my router so I used TP-Link powerline adaptors to get internet (and ethernet) to my PC 🖥
@@MacInVR Tried that, no good. Awful transfer speeds and latency. It's cable play for me or nothing.
SSW no longer causes shimmering in games. The recommendation to disable it is incorrect.
By making this incorrect recommendation, you are misleading people into losing half the fps they could otherwise achieve.
Having a second dedicated router is also an incorrect recommendation. Running two separate WiFi networks is a recipe for RFI. Instead, optimizing a single WiFi network is the best way to ensure optimal network performance.
The developer Guy Godin recommends using a dedicated router. It is well known within the community that this is the best option to optimise VD.
SSW is a personal choice, and it absolutely does not work with all games.
I've recently tried SSW with EA WRC & Contractors Showdown, it made the experience worse.
Yes, in the right circumstances, SSW is a great tool but that's all it is, a tool.
@@MacInVR - Guy Goodin & anyone else who recommends a separate dedicated wireless AP/router for PCVR is wrong. They make this recommendation because a) they aren’t network specialists themselves, b) most people are unwilling to expend any effort to learn enough about optimizing WiFi to do this correctly, & c) aren’t willing to spend the money to replace their existing WiFi network, if required.
Unfortunately, this leads to problems; most of the horror stories one reads about people who tried PCVR but had bad experiences can be traced to poor WiFi network configuration & performance.
What’s cheapest & easiest often isn’t best.
So...the guy who wrote the software, then used a totally separate OpenXR runtime (VDXR) doesn't know what he's talking about? Interesting 🤔
We obviously bow to your superior knowledge Roly, but if you listen to Mac's video, he clearly states that the settings he uses works for him.Those settings are may not be to everyone's system,and experimentation, with patience, is needed.
Unless you can come up with better ideas, I'm sticking with Mac
Mac's recommendation (imo) to not use SSW and adjust your settings accordingly for the best experience is the way to go. If it's incorrect then I am also 'misleading' people as I always suggest turning it off as it causes me to see shimmering in many games and also frame stutters (which I don't get when it is switched off).
Mac also states in the video
"These are MY best settings,
Use these as a base, and work out what's best for you"
Everyone has differing set ups and will all have different results.