both are very good headsets. I used the Pico 4 for more than a year for PCVR, while my Quest 2 was only for Standalone. I use both about 50/50, so there is no real major preference for me here. The Quest 3 however has replaced both of them now, because for PCVR and Standalone it's an improvement in (almost) all aspects. It's worth noticing that the visuals of the Quest 3 generally are better than on Pico 4, because the displays have better colors, are brighter and the overall edge-to-edge clarity is also better. However, the Quest 3 has a vignette, which darkens the left and right borders of the screen. In addition to this, the Pico 4 only supports 72 and 90Hz, while the Quest 3 supports 72, 80,90 and 120Hz and that is a big deal for me. Some standalone games work noticably better in 120Hz, especially sports games like ELEVEN and First Person Tennis. Also 120Hz is the only option to play 60fps videos smoothly, although unfortunatelly the Quest 3 does not support native 60Hz anymore like the Quest 2 did. This also means that recording PCVR at native 60Hz is not possible on Quest 3, which is a real shame. Regarding comfort, the Pico 4 feels lighter and with the AMVR facial interface it's the most comfortable headset i have ever used. You can also easily attach a small 5000maH powerbank at the back, which gives even more balance. The Quest 3 needs an additional headstrap and also an additional powerbank. I currently use the ZyberVR with a 10000maH powerbank attached to the back and that works very well. I got used to the Quest 3 facial interface, but am still waiting for a new facial interface from AMVR or another company to make it as comfortable as possible. For PCVR the Quest 3 has some advantages. it supports Wifi6E and the AV1 codec, which gives you near display-port visuals if you're using a new GPU on your PC. Encoding and Decoding is faster on Quest 3 and SSW has also improved a lot, especially when using Virtual Desktop. Having said that, the Pico 4 with 128GB is still a best-price option to play PCVR only with some limitations. For everything else, and if you have the money, the Quest 3 is the way to go.
Got a pico 4 and instead of upgrading the headset, i bought valve index knuckles and base stations instead, love them so much for finger tracking and subtle better tracking though a bit annoying to setup, The only thing im really missing out is XR app like pianovision which i really want
I prefer the PICO 4 hands down, for comfort and clarity reasons alone , in addition - no vignette nonsense which is a tragic failure in the quest 3 that will be a red flag for many consumers
I got my Pico 4 back in the spring, used, for £279.99. Best money I ever spent on VR kit. Great vid Mac - has helped me to wait further still for the Deckard!
A spec you didn't mention was the RAM that's 8Gb on both too. Great comparison video, thank you for summing it up. I have owned a Quest 2 since launch in 2020 and recently ( within the last month ) bought a Pico 4 and certainly notice a great improvement between the Quest 2 and Pico 4, the operating system on the Pico 4 just seems more stable, it connects to a PC much easier than the Q2 does and accepts usb sticks for some things. When you consider the Q3 is brand new and the P4 is a year old, I think the Pico does a pretty good job of sizing up to the Quest 3, the pass through and mixed reality is where it really falls short though. I'm very interested to see what the Pico 5 does next year.
I got a quest 2 and i am hesitating to buy quest 3. I use vr only for simracing so is the déférence realy so big between thé two headsets? Does quest 3 more confortable for the eyes too? Thanks
Honestly I'm not even invested in VR, but I just love watching your videos. You've got such a charismatic presence, I would love to watch other content that has you present.
I'm so happy with my Quest 3, it's going to take a major device for me to go another route any time soon. What an amazing all in one headset with a great price point. Great time for VR.
Quest 3 checks a lot of boxes. I wish the battery life was better but hopefully we’ll get some software updates that help and some 3rd party head straps that can produce enough power.
I recently got my Pico 4 in the USA and I'm loving it. I bought the 128gb for just $200 on the second-hand market (Meta's marketplace) and it was in perfect condition. I plan to use it for PCVR, an area I've wanted to delve into for the past 5 years but was held back by budget limitations. Your videos made the selection process easy, along with the affordability for what I am getting. Thanks
IMPORTANT MESSAGE FOR EVERYONE WITH QUEST 3 THE SERIAL NUMBERS ON THE HEADSET DO NOT MATCH THE SERIAL NUMBERS ON THE BOX. I HAD HUGE ISSUES WITH RETURNING MINE TO ARGOS The quest 3 is terrible. I've had 4 of these now. The shadows on the image is awful. The quest 2 is better although the resolution is not as good. I'm getting the Pico 4 instead
Nice review. I didn't buy any of the Quest or Pico headsets until I bought the Quest 3. Previously I used a CV1 and HP Reverb G2, the latter mainly for simming. Happy to say the Quest 3 is an amazing peice of kit. For simming particularly in MSFS the £619 512 GB Quest 3 has completely replaced the £719 HP G2 and the edge to edge clarity is really impressive. I've also played more games on the Quest 3 than I played on the G2 and CV1 combined. I tried Pico at Westfields, White City in the UK and it was nice but remember thinking it was uncomfortable. Quest 3 strap is ok but also has an uncomfortable facial interface, will be purchasing a new strap. The range of mods for the Quest family of headsets is a massive plus over the Pico 4.
I mainly play pcvr and i am excited for my Pico 4 delivery… it was an absolute steal as one of our online stores was selling them for less the price of a bnew quest 2 here in my country so i did not hesitate to buy it. I still will keep my old Quest 2 though as i do play a few standalone.
Have had the Pico 4 since its launch last year, and now bought a second one, they are only £279 now, mainly play x-fitness, walkabout and demeo, which works perfectly with same quality as on Quest 3, and when i tried the Quest 2 i got a severe headache every time, the balanced Pico is a huge difference, and i love the geekVR interface, so i can live without mixed reality, only missing the original beastsaber :)
Hi, I have been using the Pico4 for over a year now and I'm still amazed by the quality in PCVR gaming. Two weeks ago I bought the Quest3, which is amazing too. Yesterday I tried Skyrim VR on my Quest and after a while I changed to my Pico4. To me it seems that the game looks much better in the Pico4. It seems that the picture in the Quest is a bit blown up and not very sharp. Maybe I have to adjust the settings in Virtual Desktop. But for the moment, the Pico4 stays my preferred headset for watching movies and playing PCVR games. It's so much more comfortable than the Quest 3. And though I thought it would be an advantage for the Quest to have a faster chip to decode the signals from my PC, in reality I don't notice any difference.
@@phonghoang-kk4oq There is not much difference in PCVR between Quest3 and Pico4. In stand alone it is a big difference. For me at least. I use both headsets for PCVR and for watching movies. Both are great. The controllers of the Quest3 are better though. But that doesn't mean that the controllers of the Pico4 are bad. Not at all. They are good as well.
@@Ayyjob I see so little difference that I often prefer the Pico4 because it is due to its weight the more comfortable one. Both have their strengths. I often grab a headset without much thinking either the Pico4 or the Quest3... both are good.
Currently have a CV1, the pico 4 is coming on monday and I'm torn. On one hand I'm still angry that oculus held my game library hostage tied to my fb account and that they removed oculus home so going forward I wanted to avoid anything meta. On the other the options are to drop thousands on the pimax or bigscreen, or settle for vr that is on par with the quest 2 or 3 and also cope with losing the games that I brought in the meta store. Now that I've written it down the last time I felt like this was ditching apple for android and that too was weighted against losing a library of apps, in retrospect that the right choice so there might be some teething but getting out of the meta ecosystem before they get their claws much deeper will hopefully turn out alright.
just bought my meta quest 3 yesterday, loving it but damn, it burns through the batteries fast, i was only able to get 1 and a half hours of vrchat. i alr spent a fortune on the quest 3, now i gotta save up for a battery pack solution
Agree with all your comments Mac, I've sold my Q2,but will keep my Pico for pcvr. I too didn't mind the strap, but that interface, wow, crap. I'm blown away by M R, proper looking forward to future M R titles.
Been waiting for a comparison review! Not a fan of mixed reality to be honest. What you forgot to mention was the strap doesn't need to be replaced and also is a savings by going for a Pico 4 as a upgrade.😁 However I won't be able to afford either quest 3 or Pico 4 unless i can sell my quest 2☹No luck so far.
have both, what I can say the performance on quest 3 is in another galaxy compared to pico 4, also the quest 3 is crystal clear when reading text, pico 4 has better battery and is good for PCVR, quest 3 is very good on both standalone and pcvr
that was what i was in fear about. with 40 years old, i've good, but no perfect eyes anymore. the clarity is really not the best for the pico. the should have the ability to spend it 120hz via update. also a @minimum spec for me
Good vid Mac. I love my quest 3. Can you do a video on how to make a 24 HR day turn into a 48 Hour day. Because at the moment there is not enough time for work,life and virtual reality . Looking forward to my Pico 4 prize at the end of the month 😂
Question for Mac: I think that neither the Pico 4 nor the Quest 3 have eye tracking. Do you think that the large sweet spot afforded by the pancake lenses obviates the need for eye tracking, especially in simming like MFS?
Eye tracking works best with foveated rendering but I don't think MFS has that feature. The sweet spot on P4 & Q3 is massive but that is a different feature away from eye tracking. Someone with a Quest Pro would be best to answer this question 🤔
I don't really care about mix reality as it's still a relatively new technology with few games that utilizes this technology so I'm gonna stick with pico 4
@@MacInVR dont get me wrong, i am excited about it too but i would wait for more games or atleast until the inside out tracking is fleshed out and better graphic for me to consider it.
I bought a b grade quest 3 128gb from cex for 250 pounds and they accidentally delivered to me a A grade quest 3 512gb version un-used. Literally had the lens film still on and battery pull tabs for the controllers.
Hey Mac! Enjoyed this and your "population one aiming video". I'm totally in the "not a natural talent but can follow good strategy" camp too 😂 I'm a 40something techy Brit. Wondered if I could tempt you to friend up? I'm looking for older VR players to talk tech and play games with. Same for anyone else reading this comment. I'm TheAdipose on meta and steam
I had the Pico4 and switched to the Quest 3. But only because I play competitive sports games and I need the 120 hz and always fast updates). The Quest 3 is a bit better everywhere except for the price and the comfort (even with Elitestrap, because it's lighter and the weight is nicely distributed). There are 3 groups I recommend the Pico 4 to In PCVR they are almost on par (Quest 3 slightly better), but since the comfort and price is significantly better, I would go for the Pico 4 (+Virtual Desktop) for pure PCVR. Pure sports gamers (unless you play competitively) will also have more fun with the Pico 4, due to the better comfort and because the graphics are second rate
And casual gamers who don't need a huge game library and have to watch their money when buying. Ultimately, the Quest 3 is the better, more sophisticated headset and if money is no object, I would always choose it over the Pico 4. If it does, I would recommend the Pico 4 to the groups mentioned above.
So if I just wanted to use virtual desktops as a ultra wide screen monitor replacement or substitute, the Pico 4 is the one to buy. I play a few Steam flying sims, and that's about it. Would a Pico 4 be a viable replacement for computer monitors, or is this just too uncomfortable and annoying to use full time for work for webbrowsing, watching TH-cam videos, and video editing?
If you buy Virtual Desktop for Pico then yes, you can do everything you mentioned comfortably. Plus, black friday Pico sale is incredibly good value, go check it out on Amazon. £259 for a Pico 4 + 3 AAA games, bargain 👌
Hello! I enjoyed your video. I've refrained from delving into VR for years, assuming the technology wasn't advanced enough. However, I recently discovered that Xbox Cloud Services is accessible on Quest 3, altering my perspective. Considering I'm an experienced PC gamer with a robust gaming setup, but completely new to VR, which device would you recommend for me to pair with?
Definitely happy with my Quest 3, it feels way more premium …. I’m personally looking forward to the upcoming improvements with software updates as we’ve seen with the Quest 2.
Depends, if you mostly play PCVR games via Link, Airline or VD then 128gb is fine. If you mainly play standalone then either get used to deleting games once you're done or get the 512gb
For me, and many others. The WIFI connection of the quest 3 giving massive issues for about 4 months now. I would NOT advice the quest 3 at the moment because of this reason alone. The Virtual PC experience isnt optimal
@MacInVR yeah its like the bobo attachment for pico good for charging does not fix my issue. like i said i have a big head (i am 6'8") so the strap while it opens enough it is just enough so with usage it clicks down a couple time and with the elite style strap it just becomes uncomfortable for long use without loosing it. If someone comes up with a halo solution outside i am all in. Other than meta 1st part apps and stand alone only stuff (mainly pcvr player) pico is a better device in my use case if the comfort was all the way there. but i am a technophile like yourself so i have both.
Could not have said it better myself , just got an AMVR face plate and cover for my pico 4 and man its like day and night I am keeping the pico 4 for a good while for pcvr gaming! ps just sold my quest 2 LOL@@user-cf1gx8jg3c
3.2V*5300mah = 16.96Wh... its no secret that the new XR2 gen 2 chip is super power hungry... there are a lot of users of meta quest 3 complaining about battery life and how their oculus link cables that works well with older generations can't do pcvr and power the quest 3 and charge its battery while playing... so even with the bigger battery capacity of 19.44Wh, it only last for a short period of time so its no surprise that its battery consumption is terrible....
I've been able to extend the battery life out to about 6 hours using multiple BoboVR magnetic rechargeable batteries. You just have to remember to keep swapping them out every hour and half 😕
Hi! You are sure 75% meta store games are avaibale directly on PICO store? From where do you got this info? I try to search list of all avaibla games on pico vs quest and didn't find any whole compare.
Hey Mac! I have a question for you about the P10 VR headphones. I just got them to use with the Quest 3. So far, they work great with it. When I want to use Oculus Link wired, I plug them into the computer to get the sound cause the pass-through doesn't have the data. However, when I do that, the connection between the headphones and the dongle is extremely poor. If I am less than 1 meter away and it breaks completely. It seems to only work great with the Quest 3 because the dongle is right next to the headphones. Have you tried it this way, and how was your experience?
I use them with my PS5 with the dongle plugged into the PC using the 4K Elgato app to capture video on OBS. They work great like that, so I don't know why it's breaking for you. Make sure the dongle is selected on the mobile app as well
@@00Clive00 The visuals on Index might not be as good but it’s not bad. For the rest it’s just superior. The comfort of the headset, the controllers are so good, audio is much much better. Navigating in steam compared to Virtual Desktop especially when trying to record. Maybe that’s because I’m used to doing it on Index dunno but I’m always struggling to get it working on Pico and Quest.
@@Crash7791Interesting, I've had the Quest 2 since launch and my experience has been absolute dog shit as a PCVR headset, constant stuttering, even with massive CPU and GPU overhead, the odd game works perfectly, but not often. Waiting to see whatever the valve releases next.
I just returned Quest2 to Meta after 3days of using. They refunded me the money. I did that because of too many pixels on 360 YT videos, games like SW Squadrons were not as sharp as I expected. It was not looking good in general... Has Quest 3 a much better visual quality or is it just slightly better than Q2?
PICO 4 prices are likely to drop now, and while not the best for standalone anymore since they're leaving the market, could be a really cheap budget option for PCVR
@@musashah7428mas Their parent company is downsizing after the underperformance of the Pico 4 and one of the cuts was the US release of the Pico 4 and the Pico 5 has been completely cancelled. Bytedance said they would still do VR headsets, but only for the niche high end and enterprise sector and not so much the $299 priced general consumer headset market. I don't know how much longer they will support the Pico 4, but the prices on these used fell as a result of their announcement.
I think it's just a backlash against all the positivity, people sit back and then go, well hold on! Nah, it's a great headset for standalone and PCVR but the black Friday deal for the Pico 4 is also pretty remarkable 🤔
@@MacInVR , it’s a hot topic right now for sure. I’m testing some batteries right now and it’s kind of shocking. I think there are some 3rd party head straps that are going to need to redesign their products.
i anna go mainly into pcvr and i dont wanna buy some new hmd, every year, i wanna treat it like a good monitor, buy once, be happy for 5 years. but when it comes to vr atm, the market has only 2 bases. standalone midrange devices or enthusiast 1600+ doller setup. everything in between is dead in current gen, its all older last gen with known downsides. well then, pico 4 and quest 3.. yes both get good reviews, but quest 3s lenses lead to more visable screendoor effect and for pcvr, compression is still be a thing, making forest and leafs scene really ugly. that only leaves aero, crystal and beyond.. why is there nothing in between these days? where is the 2023 valve index pack for 1000 bucks?. lower highend/upper midrange is rather dead and that sucks, because thats the market iam in for.
Quest 3 is the best vr headset now without a doubt, I just put away the Index, I can't go back to ps2 graphics on a wired headset, big fov but the screen resolution is crap, after getting a Quest 3, I tried using the Index again and what a downgrade it is, the Index looks like a joke with the god rays, screen door and the low screen resolution, the Quest 2 has a much better screen resolution than what is on the Index, and Half Life Alyx is impossible to play with the Index controllers, the teleport movement interferes with the right turn movement on the analog stick on the right Index controller, and the Index always has a problem or issue with Steam vr, where the Quest 2 and 3 work good with Steam vr, don't know about how good the Pico 4 is, never tried that one, it's not available to buy in the US
There are some rumours thar Pico ist going down and will reduce their Business. Would this have an effect one your conclusion? Best Regards fromm Alfons (Germany)
It does look like the PICO 4 can be purchased from Walmart now. Love you all! God first!!! God bless!!! Love One Another, as Christ Jesus, Love Us!!! Amen Amen Amen
honestly pico has better tracking, better battery life, its all great for me except for the horrible strap and facial interface i have been spoiled with a bobo strap too long and have a big head so pico while better for everything but first party stuff feels it feels worse to use. Even if they had some type of conversion where you take apart the strap and battery and put it into a halo setup i would use pico as a daily driver with meta for non-pcvr only but nothing exists like that so meta is the better choice
@@Assassin32VR it is in anything you occlude or have the controllers outside the lower facing cameras more than a couple seconds pico has top and bottom cameras quest has front and bottom. within the cameras is about the same but pico has an extra 50% field of view in tracking. you will notice in stuff like ohshape where you hold a pose for a time quest the hands start to drift.
KKCOBVR do a great Pico strap with 10,000mah detachable, magnetic batteries. You have to pull a few bits of plastic off but it has a head cup and a top strap, pretty comfortable with the AMVR facial interface
I returned the quest 3 because of all the bugs i encountered with link and air link. I got the Pico 4 and i can say that i like it more than quest 3. I am using the pico 4 only with virtual desktop and i noticed many things that are better than quest 3. Binocular overlap is a thing that breaks the immersion on quest 3 but i can't see any of that on pico 4. The battery life is better on Pico 4 . The vertical fov is much higher on pico 4. The image is fluid and more stable in Virtual desktop with pico 4. The comfort is miles better on pico. I got the facial interface from AMVR for Pico 4 and transforms it in the most comfortable vr headset i have ever had. You even get more fov with the amvr facial interface because your eyes sits closer to the lenses.
@@justanotherdave4835 for the games I’ve played the Quest 3 has been incredibly accurate. I did 3 rounds of Zombieland Headshot Fever and scored 2 personal bests on the first day I owned the headset. The only time they’ve lost tracking is when I’m waiting for someone else and I hold my hands behind my back. In actual gameplay, not one issue including shooting a bow.
Quest 3 Sucks... Al it has is a slightly higher rez screen... Still has the same old restrictions of 100MB VRCHAT worlds and 10MB Avatars..... Same as Quest 2.
I had the Pico4 and switched to the Quest 3. But only because I play competitive sports games and I need the 120 hz and always fast updates). The Quest 3 is a bit better everywhere except for the price and the comfort (even with Elitestrap, because it's lighter and the weight is nicely distributed). There are 3 groups I recommend the Pico 4 to In PCVR they are almost on par (Quest 3 slightly better), but since the comfort and price is significantly better, I would go for the Pico 4 (+Virtual Desktop) for pure PCVR. Pure sports gamers (unless you play competitively) will also have more fun with the Pico 4, due to the better comfort and because the graphics are second rate
And casual gamers who don't need a huge game library and have to watch their money when buying. Ultimately, the Quest 3 is the better, more sophisticated headset and if money is no object, I would always choose it over the Pico 4. If it does, I would recommend the Pico 4 to the groups mentioned above.
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both are very good headsets. I used the Pico 4 for more than a year for PCVR, while my Quest 2 was only for Standalone. I use both about 50/50, so there is no real major preference for me here. The Quest 3 however has replaced both of them now, because for PCVR and Standalone it's an improvement in (almost) all aspects.
It's worth noticing that the visuals of the Quest 3 generally are better than on Pico 4, because the displays have better colors, are brighter and the overall edge-to-edge clarity is also better. However, the Quest 3 has a vignette, which darkens the left and right borders of the screen.
In addition to this, the Pico 4 only supports 72 and 90Hz, while the Quest 3 supports 72, 80,90 and 120Hz and that is a big deal for me. Some standalone games work noticably better in 120Hz, especially sports games like ELEVEN and First Person Tennis. Also 120Hz is the only option to play 60fps videos smoothly, although unfortunatelly the Quest 3 does not support native 60Hz anymore like the Quest 2 did. This also means that recording PCVR at native 60Hz is not possible on Quest 3, which is a real shame.
Regarding comfort, the Pico 4 feels lighter and with the AMVR facial interface it's the most comfortable headset i have ever used. You can also easily attach a small 5000maH powerbank at the back, which gives even more balance. The Quest 3 needs an additional headstrap and also an additional powerbank. I currently use the ZyberVR with a 10000maH powerbank attached to the back and that works very well. I got used to the Quest 3 facial interface, but am still waiting for a new facial interface from AMVR or another company to make it as comfortable as possible.
For PCVR the Quest 3 has some advantages. it supports Wifi6E and the AV1 codec, which gives you near display-port visuals if you're using a new GPU on your PC. Encoding and Decoding is faster on Quest 3 and SSW has also improved a lot, especially when using Virtual Desktop.
Having said that, the Pico 4 with 128GB is still a best-price option to play PCVR only with some limitations. For everything else, and if you have the money, the Quest 3 is the way to go.
Eloquent as always my friend, I hope you don't mind that I've pinned your comment 😊
Got a pico 4 and instead of upgrading the headset, i bought valve index knuckles and base stations instead, love them so much for finger tracking and subtle better tracking though a bit annoying to setup,
The only thing im really missing out is XR app like pianovision which i really want
I prefer the PICO 4 hands down, for comfort and clarity reasons alone , in addition - no vignette nonsense which is a tragic failure in the quest 3 that will be a red flag for many consumers
FoV is larger on Q3 but not by much, hardly noticeable unless switching between headsets quickly
Pico4 for PCVR ONLY is the winner - this is if you use the AMVR mask that gives the largest FOV of all standalone headsets. Its unbelievable.
I got my Pico 4 back in the spring, used, for £279.99. Best money I ever spent on VR kit. Great vid Mac - has helped me to wait further still for the Deckard!
We're stuck on Valve Time till they decide it's ready 😅
A spec you didn't mention was the RAM that's 8Gb on both too. Great comparison video, thank you for summing it up. I have owned a Quest 2 since launch in 2020 and recently ( within the last month ) bought a Pico 4 and certainly notice a great improvement between the Quest 2 and Pico 4, the operating system on the Pico 4 just seems more stable, it connects to a PC much easier than the Q2 does and accepts usb sticks for some things.
When you consider the Q3 is brand new and the P4 is a year old, I think the Pico does a pretty good job of sizing up to the Quest 3, the pass through and mixed reality is where it really falls short though. I'm very interested to see what the Pico 5 does next year.
Very good points, Pico 4 it's a great headset and it's cheaper than Q3. Pico 5 is an intriguing prospect but we have to wait and see 😉
I upgraded from Quest 2 to Quest 3, and it's night and day for PCVR gaming. The pancake enses in Quest 3 is amazing!
I got a quest 2 and i am hesitating to buy quest 3. I use vr only for simracing so is the déférence realy so big between thé two headsets? Does quest 3 more confortable for the eyes too?
Thanks
Honestly I'm not even invested in VR, but I just love watching your videos. You've got such a charismatic presence, I would love to watch other content that has you present.
Thanks mate, really appreciate that 😊
That opening was really good man ! Great video !
Thanks mate 👍
I'm so happy with my Quest 3, it's going to take a major device for me to go another route any time soon. What an amazing all in one headset with a great price point. Great time for VR.
Agreed it is a great time for VR 😊
Quest 3 checks a lot of boxes. I wish the battery life was better but hopefully we’ll get some software updates that help and some 3rd party head straps that can produce enough power.
@@Assassin32VR with 2 bobovr batteries, I was able to play all day with breaks for my own benefit.
Great comparison. Just got my Quest 3 and im lovin it.
It is a great headset 😊
I recently got my Pico 4 in the USA and I'm loving it. I bought the 128gb for just $200 on the second-hand market (Meta's marketplace) and it was in perfect condition. I plan to use it for PCVR, an area I've wanted to delve into for the past 5 years but was held back by budget limitations. Your videos made the selection process easy, along with the affordability for what I am getting. Thanks
Glad I could help, a Pico 4 at $200 is a proper bargain 👌
IMPORTANT MESSAGE FOR EVERYONE WITH QUEST 3
THE SERIAL NUMBERS ON THE HEADSET DO NOT MATCH THE SERIAL NUMBERS ON THE BOX. I HAD HUGE ISSUES WITH RETURNING MINE TO ARGOS
The quest 3 is terrible. I've had 4 of these now. The shadows on the image is awful. The quest 2 is better although the resolution is not as good. I'm getting the Pico 4 instead
I can't believe there's no clock/alarm app on Quest 2 - something that can run in the background.
Nice review. I didn't buy any of the Quest or Pico headsets until I bought the Quest 3. Previously I used a CV1 and HP Reverb G2, the latter mainly for simming. Happy to say the Quest 3 is an amazing peice of kit. For simming particularly in MSFS the £619 512 GB Quest 3 has completely replaced the £719 HP G2 and the edge to edge clarity is really impressive. I've also played more games on the Quest 3 than I played on the G2 and CV1 combined. I tried Pico at Westfields, White City in the UK and it was nice but remember thinking it was uncomfortable. Quest 3 strap is ok but also has an uncomfortable facial interface, will be purchasing a new strap. The range of mods for the Quest family of headsets is a massive plus over the Pico 4.
I mainly play pcvr and i am excited for my Pico 4 delivery… it was an absolute steal as one of our online stores was selling them for less the price of a bnew quest 2 here in my country so i did not hesitate to buy it. I still will keep my old Quest 2 though as i do play a few standalone.
Those pancake lenses are a massive upgrade from the Quest 2, enjoy 😉
Have had the Pico 4 since its launch last year, and now bought a second one, they are only £279 now, mainly play x-fitness, walkabout and demeo, which works perfectly with same quality as on Quest 3, and when i tried the Quest 2 i got a severe headache every time, the balanced Pico is a huge difference, and i love the geekVR interface, so i can live without mixed reality, only missing the original beastsaber :)
Hi, I have been using the Pico4 for over a year now and I'm still amazed by the quality in PCVR gaming. Two weeks ago I bought the Quest3, which is amazing too. Yesterday I tried Skyrim VR on my Quest and after a while I changed to my Pico4. To me it seems that the game looks much better in the Pico4. It seems that the picture in the Quest is a bit blown up and not very sharp. Maybe I have to adjust the settings in Virtual Desktop. But for the moment, the Pico4 stays my preferred headset for watching movies and playing PCVR games. It's so much more comfortable than the Quest 3. And though I thought it would be an advantage for the Quest to have a faster chip to decode the signals from my PC, in reality I don't notice any difference.
Does Quality of Screen on Q3 is better than Pico4? The spec of pixel is the same.
@@phonghoang-kk4oq There is not much difference in PCVR between Quest3 and Pico4. In stand alone it is a big difference. For me at least. I use both headsets for PCVR and for watching movies. Both are great. The controllers of the Quest3 are better though. But that doesn't mean that the controllers of the Pico4 are bad. Not at all. They are good as well.
@@SjaakSchulteis thank you ❤
Thought that videos are much better on q3 than p4
@@Ayyjob I see so little difference that I often prefer the Pico4 because it is due to its weight the more comfortable one. Both have their strengths. I often grab a headset without much thinking either the Pico4 or the Quest3... both are good.
Currently have a CV1, the pico 4 is coming on monday and I'm torn. On one hand I'm still angry that oculus held my game library hostage tied to my fb account and that they removed oculus home so going forward I wanted to avoid anything meta.
On the other the options are to drop thousands on the pimax or bigscreen, or settle for vr that is on par with the quest 2 or 3 and also cope with losing the games that I brought in the meta store.
Now that I've written it down the last time I felt like this was ditching apple for android and that too was weighted against losing a library of apps, in retrospect that the right choice so there might be some teething but getting out of the meta ecosystem before they get their claws much deeper will hopefully turn out alright.
just bought my meta quest 3 yesterday, loving it but damn, it burns through the batteries fast, i was only able to get 1 and a half hours of vrchat. i alr spent a fortune on the quest 3, now i gotta save up for a battery pack solution
The BOBOVR M3 is a pretty good option, splash out on another battery as well 😀
Agree with all your comments Mac, I've sold my Q2,but will keep my Pico for pcvr. I too didn't mind the strap, but that interface, wow, crap. I'm blown away by M R, proper looking forward to future M R titles.
I think when VR devs get to grips with MR, it's going to be amazing
Been waiting for a comparison review! Not a fan of mixed reality to be honest. What you forgot to mention was the strap doesn't need to be replaced and also is a savings by going for a Pico 4 as a upgrade.😁
However I won't be able to afford either quest 3 or Pico 4 unless i can sell my quest 2☹No luck so far.
Or you can join my channel membership and maybe win a Pico 4 at the end of November 😉
Personally the biggest game changer for me is that the Pico 4 PRO has facial tracking which I DO want for Vtubing
have both, what I can say the performance on quest 3 is in another galaxy compared to pico 4, also the quest 3 is crystal clear when reading text, pico 4 has better battery and is good for PCVR, quest 3 is very good on both standalone and pcvr
Yeah mate, it's a choice 👍
that was what i was in fear about. with 40 years old, i've good, but no perfect eyes anymore. the clarity is really not the best for the pico. the should have the ability to spend it 120hz via update. also a @minimum spec for me
I wonder if the pico 4 already has built-in trackers for face and eye or do you have to change those in PC?
Which one is better for video consumption?
Good vid Mac. I love my quest 3. Can you do a video on how to make a 24 HR day turn into a 48 Hour day. Because at the moment there is not enough time for work,life and virtual reality .
Looking forward to my Pico 4 prize at the end of the month 😂
I'm inventing a time machine right now 😉
So true
Question for Mac: I think that neither the Pico 4 nor the Quest 3 have eye tracking. Do you think that the large sweet spot afforded by the pancake lenses obviates the need for eye tracking, especially in simming like MFS?
Eye tracking works best with foveated rendering but I don't think MFS has that feature. The sweet spot on P4 & Q3 is massive but that is a different feature away from eye tracking. Someone with a Quest Pro would be best to answer this question 🤔
Thanks Mac
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I don't really care about mix reality as it's still a relatively new technology with few games that utilizes this technology so I'm gonna stick with pico 4
Fair enough, I'm quite excited about MR but that's just me 😉
@@MacInVR dont get me wrong, i am excited about it too but i would wait for more games or atleast until the inside out tracking is fleshed out and better graphic for me to consider it.
Fair point 😉
Man my pico 4 don't look that clearly, I don't think i ever got the pass through upgrade. 😢
I bought a b grade quest 3 128gb from cex for 250 pounds and they accidentally delivered to me a A grade quest 3 512gb version un-used. Literally had the lens film still on and battery pull tabs for the controllers.
Hey Mac! Enjoyed this and your "population one aiming video". I'm totally in the "not a natural talent but can follow good strategy" camp too 😂 I'm a 40something techy Brit. Wondered if I could tempt you to friend up? I'm looking for older VR players to talk tech and play games with. Same for anyone else reading this comment. I'm TheAdipose on meta and steam
Go join my discord for game meet ups etc 😉
I swear if you are paranoid of Meta stealing all your information you are an actual robot 🤖
Just saying that I just ordered it for Friday from amazon, only 260 bundle right now, thanks for a win, win review.
Subbed! Have a awesome day sir! 🔥
I had the Pico4 and switched to the Quest 3. But only because I play competitive sports games and I need the 120 hz and always fast updates). The Quest 3 is a bit better everywhere except for the price and the comfort (even with Elitestrap, because it's lighter and the weight is nicely distributed).
There are 3 groups I recommend the Pico 4 to
In PCVR they are almost on par (Quest 3 slightly better), but since the comfort and price is significantly better, I would go for the Pico 4 (+Virtual Desktop) for pure PCVR.
Pure sports gamers (unless you play competitively) will also have more fun with the Pico 4, due to the better comfort and because the graphics are second rate
And casual gamers who don't need a huge game library and have to watch their money when buying.
Ultimately, the Quest 3 is the better, more sophisticated headset and if money is no object, I would always choose it over the Pico 4. If it does, I would recommend the Pico 4 to the groups mentioned above.
Thank you for the video, and the chance to win a Pico!! :)
Good luck 👍
So if I just wanted to use virtual desktops as a ultra wide screen monitor replacement or substitute, the Pico 4 is the one to buy.
I play a few Steam flying sims, and that's about it.
Would a Pico 4 be a viable replacement for computer monitors, or is this just too uncomfortable and annoying to use full time for work for webbrowsing, watching TH-cam videos, and video editing?
If you buy Virtual Desktop for Pico then yes, you can do everything you mentioned comfortably. Plus, black friday Pico sale is incredibly good value, go check it out on Amazon. £259 for a Pico 4 + 3 AAA games, bargain 👌
@@MacInVR Thanks. $410 in US dollars... $300 used from Japan on ebay. Still comparing this morning watching videos.
@@choppergirlit's 330 USD 😅😅.
Pound deflated hard
It’s a very comfy headset I spend a fair bit of time linking my steam deck up to it through the immersion app and playing on a cinema screen
Hello! I enjoyed your video. I've refrained from delving into VR for years, assuming the technology wasn't advanced enough. However, I recently discovered that Xbox Cloud Services is accessible on Quest 3, altering my perspective. Considering I'm an experienced PC gamer with a robust gaming setup, but completely new to VR, which device would you recommend for me to pair with?
Quest 3 is the pick of the bunch at the moment AND if your PC is VR ready, you can also play any PC VR games wirelessly using Steam Link on your Q3 😉
Definitely happy with my Quest 3, it feels way more premium …. I’m personally looking forward to the upcoming improvements with software updates as we’ve seen with the Quest 2.
I am starting to fall in love with my Quest 3, just needs a few choice uogrades 😉
Question, since they are less expensive options to choose from storages. Is 128 gb suffice for VR or 500gb? I’m talking about the Quest 3.
Depends, if you mostly play PCVR games via Link, Airline or VD then 128gb is fine. If you mainly play standalone then either get used to deleting games once you're done or get the 512gb
@@MacInVR What is the file size of the exclusive vr games in Meta Quest?
The largest exclusive is Medal of Honor at 44gb but most are between 5-15gb
@@MacInVR Thank you for your time and answer. I’m looking forward with Quest 3. Your reviews are greatly appreciated ❤️
Thanks mate 👍
For me, and many others. The WIFI connection of the quest 3 giving massive issues for about 4 months now. I would NOT advice the quest 3 at the moment because of this reason alone. The Virtual PC experience isnt optimal
@MacInVR yeah its like the bobo attachment for pico good for charging does not fix my issue. like i said i have a big head (i am 6'8") so the strap while it opens enough it is just enough so with usage it clicks down a couple time and with the elite style strap it just becomes uncomfortable for long use without loosing it. If someone comes up with a halo solution outside i am all in. Other than meta 1st part apps and stand alone only stuff (mainly pcvr player) pico is a better device in my use case if the comfort was all the way there. but i am a technophile like yourself so i have both.
Unfortunately, my large friend, you need someone with a 3D printer to sort your problem.
Can anybody help justanotherdave?
pico 5 soon :-)
Pico 5 is an intriguing prospect 😉
Could not have said it better myself , just got an AMVR face plate and cover for my pico 4 and man its like day and night I am keeping the pico 4 for a good while for pcvr gaming! ps just sold my quest 2 LOL@@user-cf1gx8jg3c
Got 20% off on very so only paid about 40 quid more.
3.2V*5300mah = 16.96Wh...
its no secret that the new XR2 gen 2 chip is super power hungry... there are a lot of users of meta quest 3 complaining about battery life and how their oculus link cables that works well with older generations can't do pcvr and power the quest 3 and charge its battery while playing... so even with the bigger battery capacity of 19.44Wh, it only last for a short period of time so its no surprise that its battery consumption is terrible....
I've been able to extend the battery life out to about 6 hours using multiple BoboVR magnetic rechargeable batteries. You just have to remember to keep swapping them out every hour and half 😕
Gonna wait and see if pico5 in april is any good. I dont like meta they massacred my oculus.
Hi!
You are sure 75% meta store games are avaibale directly on PICO store? From where do you got this info? I try to search list of all avaibla games on pico vs quest and didn't find any whole compare.
Direct from Pico itself
@@MacInVR
Thank you for info
Hey Mac! I have a question for you about the P10 VR headphones. I just got them to use with the Quest 3. So far, they work great with it. When I want to use Oculus Link wired, I plug them into the computer to get the sound cause the pass-through doesn't have the data. However, when I do that, the connection between the headphones and the dongle is extremely poor. If I am less than 1 meter away and it breaks completely. It seems to only work great with the Quest 3 because the dongle is right next to the headphones. Have you tried it this way, and how was your experience?
I use them with my PS5 with the dongle plugged into the PC using the 4K Elgato app to capture video on OBS.
They work great like that, so I don't know why it's breaking for you.
Make sure the dongle is selected on the mobile app as well
@@MacInVR thabk you fir the answer. It might be a faulty unit. I will return it and try get another one.
Im getting the pico 4 as i can connect to my pc which has a 4090 which will outwork meta quest 3 anyway
Do we have to do anything to participate in the giveaway?
The giveaway is for channel members
Still enjoying my Index. Also got a pico 4. A part of me wants to buy a q3 but I’m also hoping Valve will come with the Deckard in the near future.
What makes you enjoy the index so much?, the Pico 4 have a massive resolution advantage over it, do you prefer the controllers?
I still regret selling my Index, just worked really. I know it's getting a bit long in the tooth now but was such a good headset 😍
@@00Clive00 The visuals on Index might not be as good but it’s not bad. For the rest it’s just superior. The comfort of the headset, the controllers are so good, audio is much much better. Navigating in steam compared to Virtual Desktop especially when trying to record. Maybe that’s because I’m used to doing it on Index dunno but I’m always struggling to get it working on Pico and Quest.
@@MacInVR I believe I told you so 😂
I don’t sell any of my headsets. Still got the HTC Vive og.
@@Crash7791Interesting, I've had the Quest 2 since launch and my experience has been absolute dog shit as a PCVR headset, constant stuttering, even with massive CPU and GPU overhead, the odd game works perfectly, but not often. Waiting to see whatever the valve releases next.
I just returned Quest2 to Meta after 3days of using. They refunded me the money. I did that because of too many pixels on 360 YT videos, games like SW Squadrons were not as sharp as I expected. It was not looking good in general... Has Quest 3 a much better visual quality or is it just slightly better than Q2?
PICO 4 prices are likely to drop now, and while not the best for standalone anymore since they're leaving the market, could be a really cheap budget option for PCVR
It's a great headset if you just want to do PCVR. Pancake lenses, good screens and okay comfort (plus virtual desktop is available for Pico)
@@MacInVRoh, good to know! I didn’t know they had virtual desktop for that device as well
Yep & it gets updated alongside the Quest version so always up to date. Got to love Guy Godin 😍
Is pico not supporting any more vr sets?
@@musashah7428mas Their parent company is downsizing after the underperformance of the Pico 4 and one of the cuts was the US release of the Pico 4 and the Pico 5 has been completely cancelled. Bytedance said they would still do VR headsets, but only for the niche high end and enterprise sector and not so much the $299 priced general consumer headset market. I don't know how much longer they will support the Pico 4, but the prices on these used fell as a result of their announcement.
You can buy pico 4 headset for less than $300 during sales... at that price, coupled with quest 3 unreliable hardware makes pico 4 the default winner.
Q3 getting a slatting now though
Is it? By who? Apart from battery life, it's one of the best headsets on the market 👌
by lots of ppl in the last week @@MacInVR
I think it's just a backlash against all the positivity, people sit back and then go, well hold on!
Nah, it's a great headset for standalone and PCVR but the black Friday deal for the Pico 4 is also pretty remarkable 🤔
Last week Somebody stole my Pico4 which I just had for only 2 months. Any help please.
can i play with pico 4 every steam vr game?
so pico4 is better if you want to save money?
If you just want a decent headset for standalone or PCVR, it is cheaper and nearly as good 👍
How could you play MR games on Pico? My understanding is that its passthrough isn't even 3D correct.
Love the Quest 3, hate the Quest 3 battery life.
I might do a video on this subject 🤔
@@MacInVR , it’s a hot topic right now for sure. I’m testing some batteries right now and it’s kind of shocking. I think there are some 3rd party head straps that are going to need to redesign their products.
Amma wait till iget the money then i will get pico 4
It's a good choice for PCVR 😉
Pico 4 FTW!
i anna go mainly into pcvr and i dont wanna buy some new hmd, every year, i wanna treat it like a good monitor, buy once, be happy for 5 years. but when it comes to vr atm, the market has only 2 bases. standalone midrange devices or enthusiast 1600+ doller setup. everything in between is dead in current gen, its all older last gen with known downsides. well then, pico 4 and quest 3.. yes both get good reviews, but quest 3s lenses lead to more visable screendoor effect and for pcvr, compression is still be a thing, making forest and leafs scene really ugly. that only leaves aero, crystal and beyond.. why is there nothing in between these days? where is the 2023 valve index pack for 1000 bucks?. lower highend/upper midrange is rather dead and that sucks, because thats the market iam in for.
Hopefully, we'll see the Deckard or whatever it's going to be called sometime next year.
@@MacInVR doubt that it will be what i want, because everything points to standalone.
Quest 3 is the best vr headset now without a doubt, I just put away the Index, I can't go back to ps2 graphics on a wired headset, big fov but the screen resolution is crap, after getting a Quest 3, I tried using the Index again and what a downgrade it is, the Index looks like a joke with the god rays, screen door and the low screen resolution, the Quest 2 has a much better screen resolution than what is on the Index, and Half Life Alyx is impossible to play with the Index controllers, the teleport movement interferes with the right turn movement on the analog stick on the right Index controller, and the Index always has a problem or issue with Steam vr, where the Quest 2 and 3 work good with Steam vr, don't know about how good the Pico 4 is, never tried that one, it's not available to buy in the US
Interesting view 🤔
when is the release date of pico 5?
Pico 4 has only been out a year so probably not till late 2024, maybe 🤔
i heard april or may 2024
There are some rumours thar Pico ist going down and will reduce their Business. Would this have an effect one your conclusion? Best Regards fromm Alfons (Germany)
Not really, still a great headset at a great price 👍
they both need pc to play the games?
Both do standalone (no pc) but both can also do PCVR with link cable, virtual desktop or Steam link
It does look like the PICO 4 can be purchased from Walmart now.
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thinking oof trading in 8k+ for 12k pimax
I'm not that rich 😉
I have both headset. Pico 4 has no comparison with Quest 3.
why
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The massive thing for me it Facebook It gives a yuck feeling for me and I'm not even massive teck head
honestly pico has better tracking, better battery life, its all great for me except for the horrible strap and facial interface i have been spoiled with a bobo strap too long and have a big head so pico while better for everything but first party stuff feels it feels worse to use. Even if they had some type of conversion where you take apart the strap and battery and put it into a halo setup i would use pico as a daily driver with meta for non-pcvr only but nothing exists like that so meta is the better choice
I’ve never heard anyone say the Pico tracking is better than Quest 3.
@@Assassin32VR it is in anything you occlude or have the controllers outside the lower facing cameras more than a couple seconds pico has top and bottom cameras quest has front and bottom. within the cameras is about the same but pico has an extra 50% field of view in tracking. you will notice in stuff like ohshape where you hold a pose for a time quest the hands start to drift.
KKCOBVR do a great Pico strap with 10,000mah detachable, magnetic batteries.
You have to pull a few bits of plastic off but it has a head cup and a top strap, pretty comfortable with the AMVR facial interface
I returned the quest 3 because of all the bugs i encountered with link and air link. I got the Pico 4 and i can say that i like it more than quest 3. I am using the pico 4 only with virtual desktop and i noticed many things that are better than quest 3. Binocular overlap is a thing that breaks the immersion on quest 3 but i can't see any of that on pico 4. The battery life is better on Pico 4 . The vertical fov is much higher on pico 4. The image is fluid and more stable in Virtual desktop with pico 4. The comfort is miles better on pico. I got the facial interface from AMVR for Pico 4 and transforms it in the most comfortable vr headset i have ever had. You even get more fov with the amvr facial interface because your eyes sits closer to the lenses.
@@justanotherdave4835 for the games I’ve played the Quest 3 has been incredibly accurate. I did 3 rounds of Zombieland Headshot Fever and scored 2 personal bests on the first day I owned the headset. The only time they’ve lost tracking is when I’m waiting for someone else and I hold my hands behind my back. In actual gameplay, not one issue including shooting a bow.
Pico 4 has great potential. Meta Quest 3 is a ripped off.
Pico 4 is better without a doubt. Pity about the inferior store and choice of apps.
Quest 3 Sucks... Al it has is a slightly higher rez screen... Still has the same old restrictions of 100MB VRCHAT worlds and 10MB Avatars..... Same as Quest 2.
I will NEVER get the Quest 3!
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@@doublewhopper67 NEVER
@doublewhopper67 just got mine and I'm hooked :)
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I had the Pico4 and switched to the Quest 3. But only because I play competitive sports games and I need the 120 hz and always fast updates). The Quest 3 is a bit better everywhere except for the price and the comfort (even with Elitestrap, because it's lighter and the weight is nicely distributed).
There are 3 groups I recommend the Pico 4 to
In PCVR they are almost on par (Quest 3 slightly better), but since the comfort and price is significantly better, I would go for the Pico 4 (+Virtual Desktop) for pure PCVR.
Pure sports gamers (unless you play competitively) will also have more fun with the Pico 4, due to the better comfort and because the graphics are second rate
And casual gamers who don't need a huge game library and have to watch their money when buying.
Ultimately, the Quest 3 is the better, more sophisticated headset and if money is no object, I would always choose it over the Pico 4. If it does, I would recommend the Pico 4 to the groups mentioned above.