Why I chose RED over the C70 for BIG Productions - Mistake?
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SDI: 1:43
Play int he RF Mount: 4:11
Rigging: 6:54
Power options: 09:00
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Anamorphic: 11:32
R3D Raw: 12:39
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Fair assessment of each camera systems, there are so many great options for filmmakers now.
Nice vid Damien. Would love to see some image comparisons between these cams.
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Der Bienenfilmer :D
Ich freu mich auch auf die Tests :)
Excited for the video
I run a c70 for all of my small to mid sized productions and there’s been jobs where a c300+ would be ideal
The c500 was on my mind if canon would make a RF mount, then came the KX
I’m now considering the KX haha
different tools for different jobs. The C70s are amazing but some jobs "require" or benefit from something else. Really curious how much I like the KX
No mistakes made. As your business grows your needs change and adapting is a smart move.
I'm curious, so how do feel about the C300 now? It seems that many of the RED advantages would have not mattered if you had kept the C300?
Yeah, if I would've known I stepped into these kind of productions more frequently I would've kept the C300. But there's still plenty of things I don't like about the C300III either. same file sizes as the REDs with lesser capable RAW. No way of using a speedbooster, it didn't get any updates anymore and it also wasn't as versatile and modular in rigging...
Well said my guy... All solid points
@@damiencooper Agree Completely ! I thought I'd miss mine more, but don't. 2 C70's are a much better choice. I still hate HDMI. LOL
C70s are nice but for most my gigs they are my B or C cam. I think it really depends on what type projects/gigs you shoot. I definitely wouldn't even consider replacing my C500 II with a Komodo, now if we're talking RED V-Raptor XL or RED Monstro 8K...Those are next level for sure
Sir i am sony fx3 user, i whatched almost your every c70 video and i fall in love with c70. İ found clean used second hand c70 price is 3.700 usd. ( i have that money) for coming 2 years more canon c70 will still heandle the tehcnology? İf i have c70 it will step up my bussiness for sure.
Extremely useful video.👍👍👍 Many, many thanks!
Achtung, die OG Komodo unterstützt diese XLR-Adapter nicht ohne eine zusätzliche Stromversorgung. Das tun nur die V-Raptor, DSMC2 mit dem Base Expander Module und die Komodo-X. Tolles Video Damien!
Danke, I Know. Hab’s eh nur für die X
You're onto something about the RAW codecs of both camera but I want to add something here: the c70 and komodo both use whats called a DCT compression that is used for prores and h.264 with 8x8 blocks, so they're both about equal in quality.
Where the difference lies is the encoding that happens before the RAW data is stored as a file. C70 applies a 12bit log transform to this data to lower the data rate since 16bit linear consumes way too much data and is inefficient.
Where this goes wrong is that because the c70 is compressing it's tonal values to 12bits, the highlights end up suffering the most. The C70 looks like it's missing that "pop" because of the compressed highlight tones.
I want that C70 when your done with it! 💪🏽🤤
I rock my R5C but I'm more photo focused and solo gimbal work. Cheers!
interesting because I find the c70 image more like old studio 35mm film camera in terms of looks...that more pleasing image with the roll off looks more like something shot on film to me rather than something with more digital sharpness....I actually think these 2 cameras would work pretty well together
what xlr module do u recommend for original red Komodo ?
also Canon depreciate more/faster than REDs I think, at lease it did with my C500 MK II. Paid 16K 3 yrs ago now a brand new one is like 11K which means resale value is even less. Paid 5.5k for my C70 a little over a year now they're going for 4.5K...That's one of reason I'm seriously consider upgrading to something like a V-Raptor, not sure how much of an upgrade it will be but I'm seriously considering it.
Damien, @2:33 I see you are lighting an interview subject with a lantern and a light dome and a Pavotube, which I guess is your hairlight? Do you have any explanation on why you chose that in a video? I'm currently thinking about how to light a two camera, single person interview series myself and thus noticed.
Yes. There’s plenty interview breakdowns on my channel (and two more to come). This should really get you started. If you want to dive even deeper I have an interview in mind course on my website
Appreciate it, I will check that out! @@damiencooper
Actually my solution to the multicam monitoring is to use a $100 4k quadviewer and 25+ft HDMI cables and/or wireless hdmi. It's actually a better solution than the sumo since the sumo is only 1080p but with a 4k quadviewer and 4k HDMI monitor you can have 4 full-res 1080p camera images on the same monitor and it's monitor-agnostic and comes with a remote control to easily switch between view modes and cameras and even can use it as a super simple live switcher in a pinch. I agree HDMI is somewhat more flimsy than SDI but then SDI ports blow out constantly on all the new cameras so I'm glad to not have to constantly worry about that.
I love the canon raw+proxy capability that looks amazing and has more dynamic range than komodo while also shooting at much lower bitrates.
Would be nice if Canon in the future all cameras from the R6-series to the R1 give standard c-log2 and sdi.
never gonna happen :D
@@damiencooper I know 😁
I think the next generation of C300 will have an RF mount and put you where you want with all the benefits the smaller C70 offers. Having said that, it really Matters having name recognition when working on larger productions. RED, ARRI…names filmmakers looking for. I’ve retired from television, and shot Arriflex cameras when I shot film. Now that I’m retired, I want to do smaller, intimate projects that are mostly me, not a huge crew. Selfish…maybe, but true. If I were expanding my abilities and heading in the other direction, I would also have to assimilate to what the rest of the industry considers the standard.
exactly.. I bet the next canon offering will be fire!
If you use a speedbooster with 8sinn cage + speedbooster lock it’ll give you no play in the mount
on which camera? :)
Just a question: When you are working by yourself which camera is your goto camera?
REALLY depends on the job.. probably C70... but maybe also the Komodo X. Not the OG Komodo
you can put a lut on black magic converter ?
Yep
Like you, I think the C70 has it's place in today's production. For me the paring (having the option to choose) of the KOMODO and KOMODO X as well as the C70 effectively give us the flexibility we need to respond to just about any type of project. Thanks for the video.
Definitely not a mistake. The only mistake anyone in our field can make is having blind loyalty to a brand. Shoot with what works for you, your clients and the work you do. Also, don't shave. You look good.
thanks, I'm too stupid to trim though. So it's shave and let it grow until it gets too much :D
people have to ask themselves, WHY they "really" want the RED...is it because the quality will be legitimately more noticeable than say the R5c or the c70 now that it has raw OR is it because you want the "Name Brand" and "Status"- you hit on that late in the video - I think a lot of people choose Red because they think it makes them seem or "look" more professional... I have made feature films and videos for around 15 years or so (back when 4k was reserved for huge studio productions only or your friends with 6 figures to spend lol) and I have shot and edited and matched everything from Canon 5dmkii to Red Ones - try matching a Canon 7d to a Red One in post lol - but it was possible (the first Avengers film used the 5d mkii as the crash cams and blended it seamlessly) ...honestly I feel like once you get over 4k raw in the Netflix approved category, I am not sure it will make a difference to 99.9% of all people - nobody is going to care that anyone had to capture way more data and store way more data to produce an image that is virtually the same to their eyes on their 4k TV or their local movie screens...in the end, it will be shot composition, having multiple cameras to seamlessly cut between angles on a shot in a scene, lighting, etc etc that will be the difference in looking "studio quality" and "indie quality" ... I enjoyed the video! . ."buy what you NEED, rent what you WANT"
it must have been a tough decision for you, when we chose our camera it felt like a much bigger decision than it realistically is
is that an audio technica mic at 0:26?
Maybe 😂
Didn’t pay much attention to the sound guys equipment to be honest
I guess im the one outlier here, but I thought the c70 footage you showed looked better than the reds at least in those comparisons.
I agree with you
A pretty long in-depth video about the C70 short comings and a "skim over" of the RED negatives. Kinda funny, no NDs, crap audio, single memory and just okay AF are HUGE short comings. RED has something in their cameras with color. The color is sweet. But to be honest most of the images people post shot on RED are just a bit soft. Some people like that. Me personally, I'd much prefer sharper with the option to go softer. I'm sure you'll do just fine with both. Huge advantage having the RF glass for both. RED made a good decision there to work with Canon. RF glass is stunning.
Do you shoot everything at 5600 and adjust in post? Anytime I see a screen you shave that's how it's set?
Because it was just a follow-up on a video I did about the shortcomings of the C70. I said and still stand by my opinion that the C70 is superior to the Komodo in 90% of all ways. It's just the better camera for the money! But everything you just mentioned doesn't matter at all on bigger sets. And that's exactly what I wanted to get the RED for.
As for the WB, no: I think everything shot on the RED in the video wasn't 5600K ;).
Before watching : you got the money 😂
Sounds like a C300 mkiii would have made more sense, tbh.
C300mkiii still uses EF mount. He wants to move forward with RF.
I had it and sold it.. But it also has some shortcomings and for bigger sets I still prefer the RED. Maybe not the Komodo though.. Looking forward to testing the X
@@withoutanoffice4914 Yea I'm surprised Canon haven't offered a new mount for the 300/500 series too.. Makes me think they're developing a whole new body instead, which is weird because they did a really good job on the current gen of bodies 🤔
sad to say, won't be checkin' in as per years...really ain't interested in hearing about "RED"... but "thank you" for all your thoughts on the C70. enjoy...
all good. But I'm still keeping my C70s ;)
There is no correct answers for this topic.
It will all depend on what you do, if you do commercial work, controlled environment and you sell services that will be a part of a bigger production, yes maybe having a RED camera will be the better option.
But if you documentary work, event work, run and gun etc, having tried both cameras, the C70 beats the RED for a long run.
Like I said, both cameras has their advantages and disadvantages, it will all come down to what’s your field of work and personal decision.
Absolutely. That’s why I keep both
Plus you can pick up more chick's 🐥with RED
R3d Raw from Komodo is not a real R3D raw) you can compare r3d from old Epic X to Komodo and see, that Komodo's R3D is worse. So, to be honest, Red from C70 is not worse, than Komodo's Raw.
It’s real enough.
I agree, but by watching all the comparison videos I have a feeling no one compares red raw with Canon Raw which is available now on C70. I would love to see that comparison rather than codec.
😑 P r o m o S M
C200? Has none of the downers of the C70 an is cheaper.
I have a C70 and C200, the C200's biggest problem for me is the 8-bit or 12-bit RAW with no 10-bit, and the lack of timecode port. I do like C200 the form factor and it has SDI.
8 bit is it’s Achilles heel.
still has other shortcomings though.
@@withoutanoffice4914 Its 12bit raw! I dont know what codec the red is using but it is also a high data rate is it not? Sure 12bit is no good for conferences but here he is trying to build a camera for cinematography.. not conferences. Sure the red is probably better today.. apart from no AF or ND. Thes question is why people buy a c70 at all!
@@damiencooper For sure. If you have $1000 every day you shoot for a puller and remote system and you get rehearsals for focus then the Red is the right thing. The c200 falls well between solo/af and production camera for minimal money. C70 to me seems too stripped back.