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“Custom” Makers “On My Mind” Please watch all the way through
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ธ.ค. 2019
- This is a discussion video talking about some of my experiences with attempting to get a custom knife this year. I just ask that you watch the video all the way though if you are at all vexed with what I’m saying here, and please approach this as a conversation, with respect. I am simply asking a question, and seeking clarification. I am not attempting to attack anyone, or their livelihood.
Thanks for the kind words man! And I tell ya, I was SO nervous grinding a piece of Vancron SC steel worth almost 200USD *raw* steel price to not only a new specification, but also one with ZERO room for error. But as you said, it made me realize that I got indeed the skill to do that - grinding a knife to 0.007/0.008 bte instead of my usual 0.015
bte. So definitely I am very happy that I did it as it made me more comfortable in my skill set.
And I also became a maker to, like you said, make my own wishes come true. Now I cannot make everyones' wishes come true - but I like to sometimes do something special to customers' spec. But I don't advertise myself as a "custom maker" regardless because I only sometimes do full customs. I think I rather am a "semi custom" maker: Customers can always choose scales and steel, but not always grind type and shape.
KKnives Switzerland great work!
@@NeevesKnives Thank you!
Of coarse buddy! You deserve it! I’m really glad you took the challenge buddy, and it came out spectacular! I just really appreciate your open mindedness, and being willing to try something. This is going to become a very stagnant community without someone like you, changing the wheel👊
@@inthepocket7405 Thank you buddy🤜
This can be a touchy subject, so I appreciate you tackling it. I like what you said about pushing artistic boundaries, which I personally think should be up to the artist. Yes, sometimes stepping out of the comfort zone can produce some amazing results, not always, but then again, how does one figure out what they can or can't do with their talent. I guess that's what separates the good from the great. You're right, the word "custom" is often used too loosely to describe something that is in fact not custom at all. Thanks again.
Yeah, I do realize that, and I was expecting to maybe upset some people, although that’s not why I did it. I totally agree that it is up to the artist... I guess I just wish their were more knife makers out there, and less artists lol I know that was a low blow, and that they can be one and the same:) I guess I just wish there were more people out there dealing with people... it’s kind of a lost art these days, and everything is so impersonal. I understand both sides, as an artist and craftsman myself, but a knife is a tool, most of all imo, and I think that is being lost here. Thanks so much for watching, and your thoughts! Happy New Year!
Very informative and as I will probably not go down that route myself, it's still nice to know your journey. Love the look of the knife you got. We'll done ronan. Atb paddy 👍😃☘️
Thanks a lot Paddy. It’s an interesting endeavor these days, and definitely not for a particular dude like me:) It is a beautiful little fix blade, to say the least. Thanks for stopping by buddy👊 and Happy Nee Year👍🤙
This is a subject I didn't think about much until you mentioned it. Most knives really are makers choice at best.
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I also agree with DaddyO. But I think you hit it on the head when you said,”...if it stems from custom makers getting burned...” That! But also when customers think they have a passion for knives and order and then have no idea what HRC means. I think/ have a feeling the true “custom” world has just begun. And thanks to dudes like Roman and BBB and the education of Larrin, it will force makers to grow a pair and work with all steels because of the demand. All of these guys have forced me to become a better maker and I think that’s what the custom world needs is more demand from more knowledgeable people like you. Nice job man! 👊🏻
I’m sure a lot of it stems from getting burned, and I definitely know how some guys in this community can be, so I understand the fear. Many people think they want something, and then get it, and it’s not what they thought. I think it also an issue with society these days, no one is willing to swallow the pill they made. Yeah... I think guys like Roman are going to push that envelope, and hopefully inspire other makers to try, or breed a whole new maker all together. I appreciate it brother, and I’m thankful for your thoughts on this👍👊 It’s nice to hear from makers themselves, to delve into the thought process going on.
InThePocket 100% like they have this notion in their head of what something is going to be and when you produce it to them... crickets. Haha. But yeah, innovation and keeping up with it is inevitable. People may be set to their ways, but it’ll be an ultimate downfall. I hope all makers see that. But yeah man, good points and thoughts. If you ever wanna shoot the shit about knives or making new things, hit me up! 👊🏻🤙🏻🍻
Good point!with all these ultra premium production knives. Designed by the best designers
It's hard to buy a truly one of custom. Kerry
Exactly... especially when the maker is making it where you can’t order it custom for you. Yet a lot of those same makers, will modify their production knives that are made in China🤷🏽♂️ it doesn’t really make sense
Just when I thought I couldn’t respect you anymore than I already do...BLAM you make me do it! 👍🏻👊🏻
Wow... I really appreciate that brother👊
I went a little different about this but I was very happy with the result. I went to Robbertson custom knives. Les was able to get me a John W Smith in a couple of weeks and it was exactly the one I wanted. Several years latter he traded knives with me and I got something I wanted more. Great guy to deal with.
Nice! That’s awesome man, and you definitely seemed to pick the right route. I will have to look into that👍
InThePocket thank you for responding. He has a lot of pull with most of the greats. He can make things happen. He told me if I bought a knife from him for 10 years if it was in the same condition he would buy it back. He also didn't charge much at all for his service. I know I sound like a sales man for but that's not the case. I've talked to him 3 times in 12 years.
Well said! And glad to see you got something made, cheers to the maker, I read his comment and he seems like a humble guy whos work is on a great path, the sky is the limit for him.
Thanks man...
Thanks! Roman is a great dude, and he is extremely talented on top of that. It is a great combination, and hard to find these days.
@@inthepocket7405So many compliments.. Thank you!!
I’ve only had 1 fully custom knife . Andrew jordan Opo. Great experience . Every other time I’ve tried to get other custom knives from other makers, I get no response back or they aren’t taking orders. Or they just make knives and sell them without taking orders at all. But I’d say Andrew jordan is a true custom maker. Forged the steel and handmade everything.
That’s cool man... I will have to check him out👍 Yeah, it really sucks man, that there’s not more people out there willing to take orders. Even if you don’t do “full custom”.... give some options... let the person make it somewhat their own🤷🏽♂️
I understand your frustration. I’m kinda getting into these “mid-tech” or semi custom, short run knives. Some of the makers use the lottery, or “open the books”, and you win the opportunity to buy a knife, that’s makers choice, etc. some of them will give you some choices, as to blade steel, handle colors, and inlay types. It really doesn’t work for me, waiting months for the knife to be made, if you get on the list. And finding a full on custom maker, who will do it for you, forget about it. I look for some of these knives on the aftermarket, but they can be overpriced and god knows what kind of abuse it might have been through. That’s how I got into shirogorov. These are high quality production knives that are available. And like you said, I gotta save, do research, make sure it’s what I want. I don’t have time, and money to wait for the books to open and roll the dice. Now, I have a question, you said something about a ferrum forges hrc fiasco. The only ferrum forge hrc test, of yours, that I saw, was on your archbishop 2.0. I ask because I managed to get one of their in house knives, the septer, made with 20cv. I hear tell they are meticulous about heat treating their own blades. I’m also looking to get into one of their collaboration knives with gavco. Now those aren’t full in customs, but mid techs. And you can send them, and their production line, in to them for custom finishing. Their in house work is great, well done, and great quality, at least from what I’ve heard and experienced with the one I have. I don’t think “custom” really exists anymore, just this trend towards mid tech.
Yeah... it’s just crazy to me... all of that. The Ferrum Forge thing wasn’t about their knives specifically, it was how Elliot addressed the community(and also me personally, but I try to keep my personal feelings out of this), during the “does HRc matter” “controversy” of earlier this year. He made a tool out of himself, and I really liked the brothers before they released that video. I love their knives, and yes they are very meticulous with their ht, that’s why that video was so absurd. I had had one on one conversations with Elliot on the very subject, and his tune was very different when it was home trying to protect what is out of his control... with We for instance. I had a fortis 2.0 that came up really low in one of the earlier episodes...
Ah, ok. I think I know the video they made. That’s too bad, considering we are in the world of internet, especially you tube, and image is everything. I really don’t like hearing knife makers get that away with knife community members. I get that it’s “art”, as well as function, and they are protective of their work. But it’s still a business, and having a little customer service mentality goes a long way. Again, keep up the great videos. I learn a lot from them, and you are spot on with your “on my mind” videos.
Yeah, I agree 💯 Michael... with everything. Thanks a lot buddy👊
Agreed brother that’s why I mod some of my knives if there not to what I like I will simply mod it to what I like not all my knives and not major mods just enough to where it’s to my liking cuz buying custom makers like you said is frustrating so I’m my own custom maker not from beginning but a knife I like and if something bugs me I make changes I want. I know this comment is exactly what you ment but I understand what your saying I don’t feel comfortable spending hard earned money if it’s not to exactly how I want my “custom” knife. Great video
Thanks a lot buddy👊 It’s really sad to me, and I hope it changes, although it will probably only get worse. I will continue to do my mods as well, and only enter that realm when it’s with a maker like Roman👍
Great points as well. I’ve got fed up with the whole thing as well. I purchased equipment as well, to start making fixed blades myself.
Welcome to the club😄
A high end production will always be a better choice and also something that you can actually ubtain because like you said, customs are so hard to come by to the point of being unattainable and overpriced to begin with! Nice vid and very good point.
Thank a lot... yeah, it’s sad man... hopefully someone will change that.
I took my collection through high end mid tech into custom makers, their made stock (nothing bespoke to my whim), sometimes on a wait list. Whereas I want to support the artists, I honestly did not get much greater of knives. I lost one. Some of the makers (or materials) fell out of vogue. I am happier buying average knives again.
I’ve heard this from multiple people, and that is sad to hear.
Ok it came together at the last minute. I agree about turning on ig and it’s already gone. It happens even with production models. Especially Bali’s. A knife dealer will post “hey we got these” and I’ll go to see about it and Shazam it’s gone. It’s been 20 mins lol.
It’s just the hype of everything... it’s all about limited this... you need that... get it while it’s hot work we are living in these days.... with everything.
InThePocket I’m sick of it. It’s a turn off to the whole hobby.
Oh yeah it's me with the Vancron knike😉 So just to bring you little closer to how it came to be. There is a company called Assab AB in Jakarta but Assab is Swedish steel manufacturer and they are the left of the company that split and went to be Bohler-Uddeholm so it's Assab but the steel is Bohler in this case.. I bought the steel from them and than I gave the steel to my friend who happens to be "custom knife maker" but now when you explained what a "custom knife" should be than this is exactly what I asked him to do (you can check him on Instagram as SG KNIVES ,his name is Taufik Hidayat) after rough grind I bring the knife to Local Heat treatment company where I ask for 64-65hrc range but there was misunderstand on their side cause after quenching the knife was in fact 64hrc but Vancron requires 3temper cycle at pretty high temperature so after that the steel came down to "just" 62hrc.. Now that's how it all happened.. And in all fairness the knife is just not well made cause the maker didn't dedicated his skills to make the best (I asked full flat grind and it's saber gring ,I asked for 3mm on the spine and it's almost 5mm) and as I result I have no attachment to it and the knife just rusting.. As I've heard Vancron is serious beast to grind even in its annealed hardness cause it's designed as a low friction anti galling tool steel and you need to have specific abrasives to overcome challenges but more than that you need to have a passion... So I have Vancron knife but it's not a "knife" but a steel that resembles a knife😁 Happy New Year latter tonight Kenny 🥳🥳🥳 Enjoy it.. Thank you my friend
Yeah... there definitely is more to that than I thought. I see why it probably happened, and no one involved probably realized how difficult Vancron would be to deal with, and without the passion(like Roman has)... I would definitely hit Roman up... I talked to him, and he was open to trying to fix it, but there is certainly risk with that, and it might not work out of it’s already fucked. Second heat treatments don’t always take, and might ruin it, but he could always regrind. Happy New Years buddy! I hope you had a great one!
I knew it was you too, Marek:) I just didn’t want to name you if you didn’t want to be, but I know you probably didn’t care;)
@@inthepocket7405 My new year? Great one, beautiful 😭 My house is completely destroyed cause 100km away the dam ruptured and we are basically homeless now.. That's my new year.. But I'm alive together with my wife so lucky we ran away at the first moment..About Vancron.. When I put everything together and when Roman will be willing I will just buy new knife from him cause it was kinda dream and if this shit wouldn't happen to me I would probably contact him in the next few weeks.. Good luck Kenny 🙏
Marek Masar 😳😳😦😦 I’m so sorry buddy... so happy to hear you and your family are alive and safe though. I know knives are probably the last thing on your list of priorities right now. Well brother, hopefully this is the worst of what 2020 will bring, and you will have an amazing year from this point on. Best wishes my friend🙏
@@inthepocket7405 Thank you Kenny 🙏 But I never stop thinking about knives and I can't cause it's basically my hobby that feeds since I'm sharpening and refinishing used knives😊and believe me or not ,it was the first thing I saved from the water beside evacuation of my lovely wife and pets.. PS I know it's kinda morbid to share here and I think I was in emotional shock when I did..😉😁
I guess let me chime in as the guy with over 35yrs in this hobby. I started with el cheapos, factory edc, high end productions, mid tech's and customs. 20 or thirty years ago you could get a full custom. But now the market is booming, and everyone has CNC. What I have found is ALL custom knives are CNC milled, hand assembled knives that may or may not be personally fitted and sharpened by the maker. The best you can hope for is mods in materials. And these knives are rarely kept because they are NOT customized to the customer, they are just a slight variation of color or mill work. I have customs that dont really fit my hand go figure! What you pay for in a custom these days is fit and finish, QC isn't all that great, just ask Kurt if my 2k marfione is centered....NOPE!
I am about to release my folders and I do not own a CNC mill. Just a good old hand cranking mill. www.kase-knives.com😉
@@kknives_switzerland my brother I know how you get down, and we all respect what you do. And I will be getting one of those sweet folders! Love you bro, I'm always checking your IG page because you are awesome!
@@dodgedart4sho Thanks so much buddy!!
Thanks for your input here Phil👍👊 that is really sad to me.... I know it’s the way it’s going, but I just wish someone would through a bar in the cog, and do things the way they are supposed to be done. I think that all starts with the consumer, however, and it’s gotten so bad out there, in this day and age. Hand crafted and American made just don’t mean the same thing anymore. At least Roman is out there making his own wheel, and I’ll ride that one until some of these other makers come around, if ever, or a whole new breed of maker is created out of necessity, which is why Roman became a maker😉
@@inthepocket7405 I really felt you on this one man in every aspect. And Roman is freaking awesome!
Happy New Year’s bro
Happy new Chris! Hope you had a great one, and here’s to your 2020👍👊👊
Never pay up front. Makers will keep your money and never make a knife. now thats not always the case, but it happens more often then not. i can see paying for materials first maybe, or a portion of the materials. but be careful. because this trend with makers is there and its real and customers cant do anything when they dont get what they paid for.
And always research the maker. so many really bad makers out there. i cant stress this enough. bladeforums for instance has a good bad and ugly sub forum with great advice that the reddit community seems to ignore and then sure enough the words "i told you so" get said, or you find out later from these threads of your problems.
I have heard that has been an issue in the custom world, but that is really sad, that makers have ruined it for other makers, just like customers have ruined it for other customers. I think a materials fee is totally fair, and definitely another way for them to protect there risk, and I would gladly pay. It would of coarse only be with a maker that is trustworthy, and with a solid reputation as a stand up dude. I wouldn’t just give a deposit to any old custom maker. Especially without it being through PayPal g&s or something where I have at least a little protection.
Seamount Knife Works Phil Wilson does or did I do not know if his book are open or his waiting list.
As you can see from my quick response I’m bell 🔔 subbed lol. This is realm I’ve been playing with in the last 2 years.. especially this year. Honestly... this is a skill that takes practice believe it or not. Not all custom makers give all the options. I can tell you from what you describe... I think my best example of a “custom maker” that I have had this kind of experience is Fernando Medina. ! I know what you mean though... Roman is an amazing individual... I think he’s above the cut! Great video 👌
Hahaha on it bro👊 It’s so interesting to me... there are a few guys out there still taking orders, and it’s just hard to get on their list. I know I can get one of these makers knives from blade show, which I hope I will be attending in 2020, but I still might want something unique to me, and it’s a bummer they won’t do that. For all the money people are spending, your think you’d be able to. Roman absolutely is👌 I’m really lucky to have gotten linked up with him a while ago... it was Kurt who introduced us. He is definitely is nothing short of exceptional. Thanks buddy👊
@@inthepocket7405🙈You guys make me blush..
Yeah man that’s pretty accurate but I see most of the knife makers point in that they have all probably been burned by some crazy ass customer, and it’s probably just easier for them to operate in that business model. But again another well thought out video and point.
I totally get that James, and I don’t necessarily blame them. I’m just tired of everything always getting ruined by assholes... my whole life. I just wish people would be open to making exceptions for good people, although I know it’s tough to tell. I feel like there’s ways to go about it to weed out the people that aren’t genuine though. I’m just afraid of where it all goes, when the assholes have ruined every good thing in this world. Someone has to break the chain, and change the perspective.
I stay away from customs, very frustrating. To protect the finish on you custom fixed blade you may want to consider a leather sheath! Happy New Year.
Yeah man... it sucks. I’m not really worried about the finish on this guy, he’s a full on user👍👊 You too brother!!
I do not offer inside waistband leather sheaths (yes, even if somebody asks) is because my knives are simply so bloody sharp that it is too dangerous. (I think you follow me on Instagram; maybe you saw my post with the sliced sheath.😅) Luckily, the high hrc hardness of 65 or even 68hrc makes it really scratch resistant.
@@kknives_switzerland If your not skilled enough with your fixed blade a kydex sheath is probably a better option. As well, I make leather sheaths and tell people if they cut through them I won't make them another one. That was a really good looking knife you made for Kenny!
@@kenmarapese9085 Thank you! But I must say I don't want people sticking knives into their hips😅
@@kknives_switzerland If your going to stick your knife into your hip leather isn't the way to go!
Very nice video bro 👍👊
Well said and definitely something that needs to be said...
Thanks Adam!👊
While I agree with much of what you said (especially with what is custom and what is simply a handmade or unique product) but you should try to look at it from the viewpoint that the customer is not always (and usually not) and expert in knives or whatever the product is they want. Yes, they know what they "want" but does that make a truly good knife or project. I hand make items every day for a living. Every week I get requests for something a bit different from what I usually make. After 15 years of making and using these items I have a good idea of what works and what does not, what looks reasonably good and what looks awkward. It will leave my shop with my name on it, pics will get posted on review sites and comments will get made. Last thing I want is a buyer to say "so and so made this for me and it just does not work or look like I expected it to" or even have him thrilled with it and everyone else to look at it like some ugly duckling. It is a balance of wanting to make something new and maybe challenging, what will make a customer happy and what I will still be proud to have my name on. More often than not I get better requests from old timers in the hobby who have experience in what works than from newer members who simply have an enthusiastic, but not well thought our request (but not always). A maker needs to look at each request on a case by case basis and choose what inspires him or her, what fits their comfort (or challenge) zone and what they will ultimately be proud to put their name on.
Think about your own boatyard background. What if it was your yard or business and a customer wanted you to build or restore something in a certain way but your 10 years of background tell you it is not the way to do it, or is an awkward combination of details or just a poor concept, or a project you do not feel you could be proud of......do you still build it? As you said near the end of your video....they are ultimately the owner, it is their money, they are paying for it....should they not be able to get what they want? Does that "entitlement" outweigh your experience and judgement?
I think you may have missed something here, or maybe not watched it all the way through man. Because I clearly say that I’m just trying to get one of their models, with there materials... I just want my combination of them, and to my specification. I’m not asking them to make something different. I totally understand where you’re coming from, and I think it’s just a misunderstanding. I did pretty much all custom work when I was working on boats, literally, and if something wasn’t functional, that’s just how it was. In this case, I’m just asking for a certain handle material, with a steel they use, at an hrc that has been proven by many too be a high performing and stable hardness to treat a steel. It’s all their design, and within their material list🤷🏽♂️
@@inthepocket7405 Kenny, understood. I guess I was speaking more in general as to why people cannot always get what they want rather than to your specific case. You have done much research and have used a lot of steels/heat treats so are an informed buyer as well as having a lot of hands on skills in general between you carpentry and knife mod abilities. Many out there have not though and just have some idea of what they want without fully understanding all that goes into something either in materials or mechanics. All is good and I appreciate you discussing these topics. Gives people a lot to think about.
Yeah, I totally understand that, and I do get the fear of that impossible customer. I guess I’m just tired of idiots ruining the world for good people, and being closed out due to qualms of the past. All good man... I took no offense, and am always open to discuss both perspectives. I appreciate you thoughts
I am gonna say this in my Super Steel Steve voice" Sounds like you want a Hinderer XM-18 gen 6 to me". 🤣
🤣🤣🤣 probably why I have three Xm18’s now lol
Thanks for the insight! I agree with ya. A maker I know (bro-in-law) tells me all the time that too many people do say they want xyz knife and then get told the cost or the wait and then they just ghost never to be head from again.
Of coarse! I can understand that... if that’s what’s happening, but like I said, they can just get rid of it in minutes on IG anyways.
I guess most relatively known custom makers are making so much money per knife, and keeping such inflated prices, that why on earth should they make their life harder picking up truly custom orders? In this market it's common to have maker's choice knives priced 1k or more, taking custom orders frequently would only mess up with their schedule.
Not that I'm saying it's a fine situation.
Yeah... it doesn’t make sense for them to change, especially when people just eat it all up, no questions asked. I guess I would be looking for the exception... the guy looking to push limits, or maybe someone that just likes to make tools for people lol instead of Instagram bubblegum art hahaha that wasn’t fair:) I guess I’m just a bit bummed where this has gone... it seems very impersonal, and that would be the whole appeal to me getting up into that sect of the knife world.
@@inthepocket7405 to me even the pricing went nuts, at least for the US makers. Almost unknown makers at their first commercialised folder charging 1200-1400$ for a build without anything particularly fancy. I guess there are too many people with too much money in the custom game right now.
For a comparison, a recently got a custom from Thomas Gony, french maker, which was under 600$, for an all hand made knife, titanium liners, ceramic bearings and detent, LS Cf scales, with a great hollow ground and well HT rwl34 blade. US maker? Easily 1k.
Good rant and good points. I completely understand where you're coming from on this topic.
Thanks man. I was just a bit let down by it all. I can’t believe there’s not more guys out there open to the idea, or willing to push the limits a bit.
Yeah ferrum forge screwed the pooch this year. After how the ad10 and ad15 came out I don’t see the need. Just mod a production like you been doing. Plus a lot of people got burned with “custom” knives paying ahead for knives that never got made. Roman is killing it and BBB too.
No doubt bro... 💯. I definitely will... Yeah, it really is ugly man, I wish they could get this shit together. I love Sean’s work, but he wouldn’t make something specific for me either.🤷🏽♂️ I thought if anyone would understand, it would be him.
InThePocket yeah I think they just don’t want to deal with people. If yah think about it it’s way easier to just make the knife and throw it up for sale for 2 grand and sell it in 5 mins. No hassle no back n forth.
Yeah, I totally get the appeal... it’s just sad... it loses a lot of the appeal for me... I really hate the way this world and country are going these days.
Yes completely frustrating hobby especially when you do have the money saved and still can seem to acquire the knife you want. Big turn off from ferrum forge this year for me I contacted them about a knife I had of theirs that had a clip I wanted changed and got ignored I was a big fan.
Absolutely man... Well, I’m sorry to hear you had a bad experience with them this year too. I know that they let everyone down, the way they approached that “controversy”, but most people don’t even see past Elliot’s backwards talk, and demeaning approach. I was extremely let down.
Dude put your patreon in the description!
I don’t have one Dom, but I probably should set one up. Project for 2020👍
@@inthepocket7405 dude just put me on the list when u make your first run of knives! And I dropped a makers patreon to support u!!!
Rock Solid observations!
Good video man!
Thanks a lot!
No you’re not way off base . knife maker only selling knives that they make when they want too they Don’t have the pressure from the customer . I called these guys artist.
Yeah, I totally get that, and that definitely makes it easier on the maker. There’s definitely a place for everything, it just seems like there’s a whole bunch of artists these days, and not a lot of knife(tool) makers. lol
@@inthepocket7405 I AGREE !
I'd still consider it a custom but maybe call it a "maker's custom".
“Custom” is not the correct term... “makers choice” is more accurate
Definitely FRUSTRATING stuff man!!!
No doubt!
Unless you love knives its gonna be a bleh to get customs; the rest of us just don't care at all for customs.
Huh... don’t we all love knives? Ian that why we’re here? A lot of production stems from custom.
@@inthepocket7405 Those like me just watch to avoid lemons; not much more.