History of WWI Primer 037: Italian Beretta 1915 and 1917 Documentary
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Othais and Mae delve into the story of this WWI classic. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration.
C&Rsenal presents its WWI Primer series; covering the firearms of this historic conflict one at a time in honor of the centennial anniversary. Join us every other Tuesday!
1915
Cartridge: 9mm Glisenti
Capacity: 7 rnds
Length: 6.7"
weight: 1.9 lbs
1917
Cartridge: .32acp
Capacity: 8 rnds
Length: 5.9"
weight: 1.25 lbs
Additional reading:
Italian Small Arms Of the First and Second World Wars
Ralph Riccio
Beretta Pistols The Ultimate Guide
JB Wood
Beretta The World's Oldest Industrial Dynasty
Marco Morin Robert Held
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"Bang is this most important process" - Othais and Mae 2016
The Benny Hill was strong in this one.
If y'all decide to make make another batch of t shirts you ought to make one with a design of Othias hip firing that MG08/15 with the phrase "War Were Declared"
ooooh
DO IT!
Checking in from the future, it was 50/50.
Every time you say "War were declared" it reminds me of a Futurama episode were Fry and Bender enlist to get a military discount at a convenience store.
THEY STOLE IT FROM ME
Everything in life should remind us of that show.
I'm gonna make my own catchphrase! And it'll have Reichsrevolvers! And hookers!
And you know what, forget the Reichsrevolvers!
So...I watch C&R because I'm dieting and I'm at home and I need a distraction from eating...then they play Italian restaraunte music in the background. NOw I'm craving really good lasagna...and I want to buy a little Beretta.
I'm sorry.
" . . . and the weak point in the Italian military at that time was . . . its leadership."
Another great post, you guys. Thanks for providing us with an invaluable archive of weapons history and development. And fun.
Thanks!
There is a reason for the "boxy" feeling of the M1915 handle. In the animation it can be seen that the space directly ahead of the thumb muscle is occupied by the main spring, that, in this gun, activates the hammer directly.
In more "comfortable" hammer actuated semiautos, like the 1911 for example, the spring is in the heel, and activates the hammer via a rod. That allows to squeeze the upper part of the handle a bit, but is a piece more. As you said, Marengoni was a simplificator.
True, but they would later emulate Walther and put a nicer swoop to the rear frame. Too bad they didn't realize it sooner.
Mae deserves a medal for her service to the C&Rsenaland. :)
Right?
That was awesome guys! (hope Mae's nose is ok!)
"ok"
huh didn't expect to see mr tao filet of mouse here
*****
We're bros
All good here Tao!
This made me go rewatch Othais ejecting that clip into his face.
They should do an episode about the pokey hand for April fools day
Glack.
As a Beretta enthusiast (and a military historian), thanks for the review!!!!
I love Mae's little smirk as Othais says "Mae would have gone with the old heavy."
Between about 1973 and 1978 somebody imported a butt ton load of Beretta 1917s and other, later model, pistols in calibers .32 and .380ACP. Mixed in with those Berettas was a large number of Astra marked "clones" of the Beretta design. I purchased a Beretta in .380ACP and happily carried it off duty for a year or so before "upgrading" to a Llama 1911 clone chambered in .38 Super. Probably because semiauto handguns were not the big thing they became in the 1980s those Berettas sold for about (in my area at least) $75.00 for an "NRA Good" to a little over $125.00 for a really nice one in about NRA Excellent, as did the Astra clones in similar conditions. Seeing this video brought back the memory of that fine, very accurate, Beretta that I so foolishly traded away. Excellent video as usual. Keep 'em coming!
oh no, we trigger regret! To Gunbroker!
And Mae even has an early 1900's hair cut.
right?
Well, close enough. :)
and a mrs. santa claus outfit.
Mae is awesome.
no u
I love how polite and respectful Mae Guns and Othias are to each other!
Are they an item?
Another great episode. The updates cracked me up but also I'm excited to see Mae shooting the K31. Another show you say? Sounds interesting. Keep up the good work, we love you guys.
This Thanks giving i was very thankfull for what I learned off of C&Rsenal one of my favorite youtube channels and Mae reminds me of my deceased daughter huggs
Mark Aul I'm happy I was able to trigger a fond memory of her for you.
The Mauser patent nasal extractor!
Mae and the K31...I seem to do something like that every time I lay off shooting them for a while. I echo the approval of the new hairdo as well!
Good piece. I have enjoyed this series. Thanks
You are a very knowledgeable person when it comes to firearms, far exceeding the usual You Tube entrants. Enjoying all your posts.
thanks!
very educational, thanks for sharing
ótimos vídeos, parabéns e saudações do Brasil.
The first video of yours I've watched. Just fantastic. Tremendous content. As a Beretta fan, I learned a lot. Please keep 'em coming! Would of course love to see a historical exposé on the 92, at some point, when time allows. =) Thanks, again.
Glad you enjoyed it
Loving the hair Mae! And another good show as well!
Thanks!
Glad you are feeling better....The 1917 is sweet. Great show guys.
I'm alive!
I've been waiting for an episode on this beauty. Excellent work, as usual :D
Hurray! I'm mostly getting beat up for not doing SMLE.
The what now?
The funny-mad-minute-and-a-wrist-sprain.
The animation was very informative-thanks.
These videos are awesome, very informative, keep up the awesome work, sir!
Thank you!
I love these early Beretta pistols. Outward appearances of them always lead me to think that the M92 was pretty much in development for nearly 100 years.
Thanks for the history
C&Rsenal: Come for the history lesson and Mae, stay for the awesome animations that actually TEACH you how it works.
follow along and build your own.
Hey C&R. Do you have already a video on more mechanical stuff done? I had an idea for a series on "The most game changing innovation on guns and rifles" where simple stuff like blowback, delayed Blowback or API can be shown and talked out....Something more in-depth stuff...
Terrorkekx just barely keeping pace with the show
Glad you like the animation, this one was a doozy, and its only blowback D:
Best channel on you tube
Excellent, thorough, and fun review. Love the design of both Beretta 1915 and 1917. Ammunition is expensive: .32, etc..
another excellent video as always
Thanks!
I've known you have a Mod 1915 for sometime now, so iwas curious when it would make it into this series. It is a very interesting and often forgotten part of Beretta history. All very good stuff & looking forward to the Glisenti 1910 video. It is rather difficult to find solid, reliable info on either model, cheers.
There is a new Italian book on the Glisenti and if you pair the Beretta history book with Riccio's in the description it helps
Thanks for your videos! Very good new X-ray indeed. Keep Mae safe, she`s adorable)
Thanks for watching!
very nice music...thank you.
Having fun I hope guys? Just wish I could support you more on patreon than I do, but you guys were the main reason why I opened that account.
Well you guys and Indy. :D
Very nice video, and looking forward to the next one..Which looks like either a Vetterli or the Steyr Mannlicter (that sure looked like a straight pull where I'm standing)
$1 from each of our first 2 day visitors and we'd be sailing!
The PB on the grips was reminder: When fighting the Allies lube your pistol with Peanut Butter :)
Generally speaking you don't fight your allies... (Italy was on our side during the 1st one. And the latter half of the 2nd. Decisive? I'm not so sure). Trouble is Peanut Butter & Jam.
@@billdyke9745 pickin' sides, are ya? Italy usually doesn't do that until it's too late... they won't be too glad about that.
oh yes. You keep coming out with the goodies.
Yes, Mae, the Swiss rifles are top ejecting ;-)
I hope it did not hurt too bad and you recover quickly from your "battle injury" with the K-31. Greetings again from Austria!
Still can't believe I did that and I own the damn thing.
Ha, well if it makes you feel any better, I once jammed my thumb with the bolt of a bolt action when shooting left handed once. I forgot when shooting lefty, get your thumb on the side of the stock! got my thumb wedged between the bolt and the stock and the only way to get it out was to hit the bolt hard into place, knowing full well it would rip a nice grove into my thumb.
After reading about 50 comments on the matter, now i am curious what happened haha.
Jesse Sisolack I did that once, only it was with a Browning Auto-5, as I had rested my right thumb just forward of the charging handle. Took a good-sized chunk out.
I don't run that risk shooting bolt rifles, because I use my right hand to run the bolt. I find reaching over with my left hand too awkward.
I smacked my hand with the SCAR charging handle many times. That was more of just horrible placement of the charging handle rather then my fail. After getting smacked a few times, and jamming the rifle many times shooting around barricades, I get rid of that overpriced thing.
Grazie!
Like a cow?
God... that Kar88 resting on the very tip of that wall mount is making me very nervous...
Another doozy of an episode as usual. Also good to see that K31 at the end
Mae displaying our usual expert-tier prowess.
19:05: Official nomenclature is "Pistola Beretta Brevetto 1915 Modello 1917". That is, "Beretta Pistol, 1915 Patent, Model of 1917".
the animation is so much clearer now much me better
Good to hear
Even through all the .32 ACP bashing I'm pretty sure nobody wants to be at the receiving end of one of those ^^'
@@oftheforest6572 That's no point at all - I'd rather not be hit by anything. There are so many factors at play with regards to gunshot wounds that it's ridiculous to attempt to use the scenario in a way which advocates or defames one round or another.
No one wants a piece of lead weighing approximately 70 grains going about 850-1000 feet per second. It penetrates more than deep enough to reach the vital organs and do its job.
On another note, the .32 ACP was invented by the master himself: John Moses Browning. That's good enough for me.
I learned on a FN 1910 in .32 ACP (still one of my favourite handguns, too.) As my instructor liked to remind us, it'll kill someone just as dead as a .45 or 9mm.
Maybe the best animation thus far.
noice
The audio was a so small issue, but I appreciate the perfectionism.
Would have driven me crazy.
I once had a no 1 Walther chambered in 6.25mm it had a handmade holster with the Waffenampt Eagle purposely added on the back. So it was most likely carried through WW1 & WW2.
3:00 In Italy it was common to call the first son (usually if the father was himself the first son) the same name as his paternal grandpa
I like the 3D stuff for rifles. But I really enjoyed the actual scans overlayed for the pistols. It's nice to see real hardware
While neat, it was eating up 20 hours a week and I was pulling 70-90 hours to keep up. This is much easier. Now I'm only working 40-70...
Did you use 9mm Glisenti in the 1915, or is it possible to light load regular 9x19 and safely use that?
Light loaded 9mm is glisenti essentially...
Technically, it is safe to use underloaded 9x19 in the 1915. Glisenti ain't cheap these days, so I'm guessing they did that. I know a guy who's got 3 boxes of it and they're $65 a pop
Awesome video! I knew Beretta was an old name but that's crazy.
Also, that ejection @ the end of the video lol :X... Nice catch though! :P
So old it fades into history
C&Rsenal Apparently... Reusing names (Pietro) never helps either though!
I wonder if earlier in history they were swordmakers, a lot of good swords in the middle ages and renaissance came from Brescia and the surrounding area.
I shot a m9 for my pistol qual in the marines, and I like it
7.65x17mm Browning - .32 ACP in the United States - was designed close to the turn of the 20th Century by John Browning and quite popular. In European loadings, they would penetrate a helmet. I presume within typical handgun ranges. The power and recoil of the 7.65 also leant itself to use in small blowback pistols. Lastly, this was the pre - antibiotic era and even minor wounds could kill, eventually.
You guys should do a video on the m34 and m35.
as usual, an awesome episode... one question for Mae though: exactly what does straight pull ammo smell like?
Since it was GP11...awesome
If it came as a perfume I'd wear it every day.
Mae Guns
eau de cordite? or chanel k31?
love the episode!!!!! can you please do a 1903 browning Ottoman postal.
In the works.
+C&Rsenal sweet.
Ahhhh Beretta. The Ferrari of pistols.
Keep it up
Nice ! Look a little like a Mauser 1910/1914 !!
I'm hoping to see a video on the Beretta M1918 in the future after seeing that Bareeta 1938.
Not until we leave WWI. None made it to the front.
And the baby M 92 (or Mother of M 92)..... the M 1934.
You all should really wear eye protection or get Z87+ rated prescription glasses. It just makes sense when practice/show shooting.
Cool, Mae is having a good time shooting this fine K31 produced in my home country - Switzerland.
Watch out, Mae! The ejection on the K31 is quite strong as you may had noticed it.
Will it be an upcoming episode? If so, I will be looking for it.
the K31, the rifle that has done nothing but spend it's time at the range and march around it's entire existence.
Well they did mention the Vetterli, and you have to think sooner or later they'll get around to the Model 1911 rifle.
Which one is that?
Holy shit that animation was awesome!
Glad to hear!
Yea Mae!
I want to see you guys go over that Martini on the wall :)
Oh that's a special gat.
24:50 can you get pistols? As you’re doing weapons after World War I now I really like the look of that pistol
Thank you, the audio is fixed! Nice attention to details.
Can we consider that the Walther P-38 open-top slide was inspired by the Beretta Modelo 1917, even tough it was not a direct blowback design?
By the way, out of curiosity, are the two of you a couple in real life or just good friends enjoying firearms history?
I'm not sure what pushed the P.38 in that direction. The Mauser pocket pistols could have also been an influence.
Im wondering about Mae's trigger finger wrap around of the trigger on the 1917 ? Im not an expert so im just wondering.
I am guilty of watching all these videos and having a great old time of it..........but didn't become a Patreon supporter till now. My apologies. Problem fixed. Given the entertainment value and literally hours of watching, why the hell I took this long to put a few bucks where my eyes are at is plain silly. I really enjoy the content. Please keep doing gun things. Thanks very much.
Thank you. It is very much appreciated. We would have never made it this far without support
"I wish I had that in slow-motion!"
So do I.
Now, is it possible to download 9x19 parabellum to Glisenti specs? Could you use backdated pointed rounds 115 grain 124 grain or do you need those semi- wadcutter?
jacketed, damn auto correct.
Great presentation. It was interesting to see that Beretta has used the open slide design for this long. I guess if it ain't broke.....I'm starting to feel sorry for Othais; why can't Mae and the Big Guy switch places once in a while? Mae is definitely having too much fun. I'm jealous.
No one wants to see sweaty othais on camera
If you look at the film Uomini Contro, based on the book by Emilio Lussu, A year on the plateau , or Hemingways Farewell to Arms. the pistol is mainly used by officers against their own soldiers who refused to advance.
The officers were apparently expected to buy the pistols them self's.
WW1 mentality, and the education of the common soldier in nuts in comparison to today.
They did not know what any of it was about or why they were fighting.
But they got fed every day and that was better than they got at home at the time.
And if they didn't like it, no choice.
I would take the 1915 version any day of the week
500 Years making guns... thats really cool.
So far, it seems that the tighest pistol groups had been obtained by two 9mm guns (the Luger P.08 and the Beretta 1915) and two .32 ACP guns (the Dreyse 1907 and the F.Langenhan Selbstlader).
I am too lazy for all that
I have a 1917 are parts available for these I'm missing the saftey/ slide lock pin
Speaking to the 1915s heft, I had bought one with a 1911 once, and noticed how it was almost as heavy despite being half the size. That's blowback pistols for ya!
Brick!
Anyone have any experience on acquiring/loading for 9 glisenti? Recently acquired a 1915 and would love to get it running.
www.grurifrasca.net/oldsite/Sito/Ricarica/pistole/9glisenti.html In italian, but the tables are easy to read.
For historical autenticity, the Glisenti service bullets have always and only been 124-125gr truncated-cone FMJ.
Nice video!
Maybe they already told you in the comments but the pronunciation of the cartridge is "gleesentee".
Make an episode on M1935
Damn, barretta is so old the roman empire was in living memory
I know is a stupid question, but What would happened if somebody load the model 1915 Beretta with 9mm Luger (parabellum) caliber? I know it woud damge the gun, but I noticed that the recoil spring is too heavy, would it help to avoid some damege of the 9mm Parabellum in it? (please forgive my bad English).
Double-pop? No no, it's just a design feature! You see, it's the first service sidearm with 'burst fire' capability.
If possible, could you guys at some point cover the Cei-Rigotti? I know it wasn't used for combat purposes, or in any military purposes; but it could be a really neat historical footnote firearm to cover.
We definitely won't be covering it for WWI and we aren't going to cover things we can't fire... and with like 20 ever made that's going to be a very unlikely candidate.
Well, that's a shame. Valid reasoning for the decision though.
Where did you get the 9mm Glisenti ammo? Did you hand load it or is there a custom ammo maker out there?
I did notice recoil pulse on the 9mm and Mae's response. Does the Astra 400/600, also unlocked blowback, have similar pulse? Locked breech pistols seem to have a longer more even pulse compared with the more extreme shorter pulse as noted here. (Admittedly, I may be too detailed obsessed, but heck, that's the fun of the interest in these old relics.)
Great video as always!
I wouldn't know about the Astra, we have not compared them.
The ammo was handloaded
C&Rsenal Need to borrow one?
When you guys are done with the Great War, are you jumping straight to World War II or are you taking a look at the interwar pieces as well?
We are just going to spread out
Nice hat Othais.
Right?
I own a "Brevetto 1915" in 7.65 Browning, which belonged to my grandfather (an officer of italian army during WWII, and after). Although I love guns I never owned one, and did all the papers and stuff just to keep this one in consideration of its historical value. I don't even have ammo for it, and probably if I try to shoot this old gun (wich is apparently well preserved btw)something unpleasant would happen... But I would love to find the production year: is there a way to do so using the serial number? Any tips?
I dont know of a breakdown but the original 15 and 15/17 were produced just a few years before the 15-19
Yeah, in fact I suppose this gun is the very first one he got as cadet. The time lapse should be right, considering he was born in 1901. Thx for the answer!
Does Mae believe in stopping power?
I wish you wouldn't play music during Mae's firing sequences because you can't clearly hear the sound of firing.
Thank you for the video. Have you FN Browning 1903 in 9x20 Browning Long . Sory for my English.
yep, but we have a bit more work to do first
Thank you very much for the answer.
I feel kinda bad for laughing at Mae in the end. Really would've loved to see that in slow-mo LOL
I dont
You're so mean.
But I love it.
You should've been there. Made everyone's day.
If I could spend a day at the range with you guys, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Guess that won't happen any time soon, though, considering I live in Germany ^^.
Ah, 9mm Glisenti, or, real live grown-up firearms designers look at a cartridge with exactly the same dimensions as a much more powerful one and say, "Yes. I don't see anything that could possibly go horribly wrong if we start designing guns built to use that."
to be fair, Italians
Infact nothing went horribly wrong. When the 9mm Glisenti was designed, the 9mm Luger wasn't the most widely used pistol cartridge in the world, but an oddball cartridge used by only one pistol. As a matter of fact, much more 9mm Glisenti than 9mm Luger cartridges had been manufactured until the end of WWI (due to their use in the Villar Perosa SMG since 1915, The Italians needed much more pistol cartridges than the Germans). The possibility of an Italian officer to find a box of 9mm Luger cartridges and try to fire them in his pistol were practically non existent, and infact there wasn't any report describing similar problems.
When designers draw a new weapon, or cartridge, for the army. The problems of private owners of 100 years in the future are not taken into account.
As I have read Beretta goes back to 1526 and is the oldest gun manifactor in the world
What's the really long rifle to othias' right?
Which?