History of WWI Primer 058: Belgian FN1910 Documentary
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Othais and Mae delve into the story of this WWI classic. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration.
C&Rsenal presents its WWI Primer series; covering the firearms of this historic conflict one at a time in honor of the centennial anniversary. Join us every other Tuesday!
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FN Browning Pistols: Side-Arms that Shaped World history
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BlackAdder: "Why did the war start?"
Baldrick: I heard that it started when a bloke called Archie Duke shot an ostrich 'cause he was hungry
Comedy gold!
Blackadder: You mean the Archduke of Austria-Hungary was assassinated.
Baldrick: no I’m pretty sure there was an ostrich somewhere in there
@@Tadicuslegion78 Curious how Baldrick got filthier generation by generation. The current Baldrick is just a pile of sweepings under Blackadder's carpet.
We had to try all the weapons that John Moses Browning had made!
@@JavierChiappa and see who stole from Mauser best.
While I love and admire the unobtanium guns firing obscure cartridges like most, it's always a breath of fresh air to see an episode and go "Wait a minute, I KNOW that gun!".
And then Othais goes on to show me that I didn't know that gun enough.
Another very good video, thank you.
You should add a video. But make it blank.
Just Another Videoless Channel It's also good when your browsing in your local gun shop and recognize one. Even better when you look at the tag and realize you can afford it. 1907 Savage. :)
@@Candrsenal why?... Why did i laugh so hard to this?
Oh
In a weird, kind of indirect way, the Model 1910 had the greatest impact of any weapon in history. It sparked a fire which would soon become WW1, which would then go on to cause WW2, and then from there would start the Cold War. It's insane to think that this one event with this one little pistol would have such drastic effects on the majority of the 20th century. It reshaped the world.
Yeah, the butterfly effect seems so far fetched until you think about this situation..... Then, notsomuch! 😊
Beyond that; not only did World War One set the course of the 20th Century into stone, but the 20th century has set so many things into motion that there's no real way to see where it will end. For all that we know, this little blowback .32 pistol has irreversibly decided the fate of the next thousand years.
What i know, is the serial number of the murder weapon 19074. The Weapon is in the Heeresgeschichtlichen (=army history) Museum in Viena besides the Car and the Uniform of Franz Ferdinand. ;)
The pistol with serial number 19075, from which Sofia Hotek and Franz Ferdinand were shot, has not been found so far.
I am from Pakistan,I have same pistol gifted from my great great grandfather.I really love its unique and have a good history.Thanks for sharing and elaborating on such a vintage pistol
I do believe that Othais is hands down the best firearm history guy on you tube and his hard work shows and we all look forward to his videos. I have to give Mishaco credit for being second.
What about Gun Jesus aka Ian McCollum? Forgotten Weapons is one hell of a channel, in my opinion
When it comes to Ian and I, we have different skillsets applied to similar problems.
Ian's #1 talent is memory and integration. He works from the cuff in the field a LOT and makes almost no mistakes. It's insane to see. He's used this to develop a method for covering a super broad swath of guns. It's impressive.
My talent, if I am being honest, is organization of resources and people. We have a lot more players than Forgotten Weapons and I milk volunteer time and carefully pay out of budget for extras.
Who is this "Mishaco", I watch Forgotten weapons every morning and rewatch one or more C&RSENAL vids most days. Be interesting to add another history/technology site to the list.
No, he doesn't, but that's the idea of his channel, I think. He uploads a video everyday and he has covered firearms from flintlocks to the Walther WA 2000. Both C&Rsenal and Forgotten Weapons are great channels with different goals. Anyway, my initial comment didn't mean to make a gun channel hierachy or ranking, I just wanted to acknowledge Mr. McCollum's work since Darron Rentruc only named Mishaco
And "bloke on the range" good too...
With a sight upgrade, the 1910 would still be a good personal protection pistol today. Excellent presentation. Thank you.
Archduke Franz Ferdinand
Huey Long
Paul Doumer
This gun really disliked political figures huh?
If guns could have political opinions gun control would have a lot more martyrs and a lot fewer surviving advocates.
The Kingfisher was shot with an FN model 10 ? ?
Also, Nicholas II and attempt to assasinate Lenin.
Fanny Kaplan would shoot Lenin in Russia with one although he would live 6 six years to pass away due to complications from his wounds.
Probably the most infamous assassination pistol model ever.......
your channel is very underrated, thanks for the good job, the good content and in generall one can see the love and attetion you put into your work! great job
I am glad we have the support we do. It is enough to keep going
Between You and Mark, this has to be one the best set of Firearms and Great War history channels, on the net
The gun knowledge emitted from this channel is phenomenal !!!
"What is this? A sight for ants?" - Mae
No, Mae. It's a model. A Model of the John Moses Browning Sights For Children Who Can't Shoot Good (And Want To Learn To Do Other Stuff, Too).
HM The Tsar of Russia and a great snag-free design and this design is great for the very close in realistic distances in pistol engagements....usually less than 10 feet.
Also Mae, you can turn left, I believe in you.
Hey! Ants lives matter!
I don't think some people were catching what I was referencing with the joke, judging by some of the responses... particularly the "Ants lives matter" one. This had absolutely nothing to do with Black Lives Matter. I don't see where Saltofpetra thought it did.
Nope, totally didn't get Princip being underage.
Another tip of the hat to Browning... and Timothy Leary of all things. As always great work! P.S. Keep stringing the 1911 whiners hanging, it should be done as late as possible anyway to keep the focus on other significant models IMHO.
More time in development means more variants and research.
C&Rsenal Another fact which may surprise you the FN 1910 is supposedly the pistol used by Dr Karl Weiss Sr who assassinated Louisiana senator Huey Long
Good review, thanks. I was at the military history museum in Vienna last month where reside three of the four FN 1910 pistols used by Gavrilo Princip and friends during the assassination of the Archduke and Sophie. According to the museum one pistol was thrown into the river during the event and no one thought to try to recover it after the men were arrested. Of the three, located in a little glass case in the museum, they cannot say which was the offending pistol because police did not make a proper record of the pistols.
Police of early 1900 were just built different 😆
Judge: " And then he murdered him with this pistol?"
Officer: "I dunno..."
Judge: " What you mean?"
Officer: " I dunno if it was this pistol or not"
*points at pile of random weaponry
"Take a pick, your guess is as good as mine"
Judge: " Wait, but how you know Ferdinand was killed with one of these pistols?"
Officer: " Well he got bunch of holes in him,now doesn't he?"
Damn that 1908 Vest is a beaut! (2:56) I don't think I've seen one with so much case color on it.
I love this show! Very informative, shows odd ball guns with a lot back story. I love Mae on shaming the other 32 caliber pistol lol
Awesome learned something new we have in common. I too have a late 70s early 80s motorcyle affliction. Love the channel, wish I had found it earlier.
Mae!!! you gave me chills both shooting sessions when you put them on safe and then attempted to fire it with your thumb on the back of the slide....be careful!! Great info guys, keep it up!!
I always love these videos, but I especially love the ones you do on stuff that I own :) Thanks guys!
I've always liked these. Great video as always, C&R team.
Thanks
Mays confident smile gets me every time.
"There's no hints for the next episode."
**Anticipation intensifies!**
Man, I've been waiting for years for Mr. Regular to do his Speed Wars video. But seeing how busy you've been lately I guess I'll have to wait a few years more.
Excellent video, very informative. Thank you.
You know, I agree with the comparison to modern standards in terms of running more powerful cartridges through smaller frames than the past, but people are no less vulnerable today. If a .32 was effective then, a .32 is effective now. I think it's a descent concealed carry round actually. It's true that some of the newer materials used in coats are tougher than most fabrics of the old days, but still, it's a .32 round. If a bad guy in a heavy coat gets shot with that round, he's going to have a really bad month...if he's lucky. Chances are, luck won't matter for him anymore.
Ferdinand was wearing a silk bullet proof vest, which would have stopped or seriously attenuated the shots, except Princip shot him in the neck.
51WCDodge That rings a bell I think but I'm still pretty sure I didn't know that. Amazing for that day that he wore a vest even if it was silk. I wonder how silk would stand up against cartridges today?
Depends on if caterpillar silk is as strong as spider silk. Spider silk is stronger than Kevlar, so if caterpillar silk is as strong as spider silk, there's a good chance a thick silk vest would be plausibly bulletproof.
They were, woven silk used the, or rather Kevlar uses the same principle as silk vests, the layers of weave were layed at angles then quilted.
French, germans and finns used the 32 acp as their main defensive or police cartridge well into the 70's, that means they went through the two bloddiest wars in history with that cartridge and still kept it in service. When somebody says that "Back then they didn't have to fend off attacks from drugged up thungs in thick jackets", they forget that an enemy soldier that has just jumped into your trench is high on adrenalin, probably even high on amphetamines and cocaine, he's wearing a steel helmet, and sometimes a winter coat. They used drugs in both world wars. So no argument. 32acp is deadly.
As a note - the key "notches" in the barrel bushing were actually added later. Pre-WWI 1910s (and some immediate-post WWI) don't have them, but once added they continue all the way to the end of production in the 1980s. When fully screwed down these early bushings are actually slightly proud of the end of the barrel, and are easily removed with just your fingers.
I wondered about the bushing standing more proud of the slide. I used to carry a 1910 in .32 in Sydney, back in the late '80s, and I recall the bushing sticking out a touch more, and not really being hard to remove with just my fingers. Mind you, I have no idea what year it was produced (it never occurred to me to ask back then), but this one seems a little harder to get one's fingers on. I _think_ mine had the notches on the bushing as well, but it was a long time ago, so I'm really not positive of that detail any more. Old age gets us all in the end, one way or 'nother. :-(
I enjoy this series the most out of everything on YT.
what about the videos where people fall down?
Those are like Mae's meat pies, we kind of spaced them for a moment. LOL
The one of the best pocket pistol ever made.
Excellent video. Thank you.
Man, that was a really cool CG animation. Great job to the animator.
Have you seen this YT channel? Tons of great animation of all sorts of stuff. Torpedos from the 1800s, machine guns, etc. Really well done.
th-cam.com/channels/FOZwUakpRbIH2zisiRU0Dw.html
This was some hardcore blue balling for war were declared. Great episode!
Muy buen documental, gracias y exitos!
I used to carry one of these (in .32) as a security guard in Sydney, back in the late '80s. Nice and light, very comfortable...I have fairly large hands, but the grip still wasn't a huge problem. Unlike the sights - they were almost unusable, but since our expected range if we needed it was likely to be less than 15', not really much of a problem. The only issue we had was the mag springs got weak if they were left loaded (and as we were handing the weapon off to our replacement after each shift, they were always loaded), giving rise to jamming. The only solution the brass could think of was to limit them to 4 rounds so the springs weren't compressed as much. Possibly a little small on the caliber for some situations, but as my instructor used to say: "I'll kill someone just as dead as a larger gun." Would love to get my hands on one again.
aussiebloke609 Where Australian postmen really armed?
@@fancifulrat I never saw one armed, but I lived in a huge city. In the outback, I suspect it's more than likely, as you're often a day or more travel from civilization.
Another fantastic video. It still amuses me that you have an "Othais Wrangler". Keep up the great work.
Quit Grip-Shaming the other .32 pistols, Mae!
next thing you know shell be misgendering them!!!!!
This channel is awesome man.
Again: excellent!
That little guy sounds nice in both 32 and 380, a nice strong bang with each round.
Great episode guys! :)
Oh baby a new one
To me the most interesting part of the function of extracting & ejecting is that the striker pin [firing pin] is also used as the ejector. At rest, the pin protrudes 0.200" beyond the bolt face. When I first received mine from my grandfather I thought something was missing, ya know, the thing that keeps the firing pin from protruding further than needed in order to strike the primer.
As I looked further, I noticed "a missing ejector." After a while, maybe 20 years, it occurred to me what John B. had done. Mine is the later version, "long barrel" [1910/22] in .32 in excellent condition.
It also has fairly nice sights for a pistol of this time period, although this one was manufactured in 1957. Rear site is dovetailed and adjustable for windage, while the front sight is a stationary blade with a height of about 0.125"
Super fun to shoot and very accurate with hand-loads. Thanks SO MUCH for the animation! Also a big 'thank you; to Numrich for carrying lots of parts for older firearms. Got some nice original style FN grips as the grips my grand dad had were a funky wood grip.
Fanny Kaplan shot Lenin with one of these after he dissolved the Soviet legislature and began his rule by "experts." While he did survive initially he would only live 6 more years and died of a stroke due to health problems brought on by the shooting. I just bought one, beautiful pistol.
Your teasing me with that mosin over your right shoulder! Now for the past 2 episodes! :)
Fascinating - Thanks ! ! !
🙂😎👍
Really appreciate the content
Interesting video. Love those little pistols!
I had a 380 variant marked with Browning grips that was made in '56. I was at the range and the barrel bushing decided to take its leave and disappear down the lane. The indoor range personnel were not able to find it. I was able to get a replacement but it was not exact, it's a mm or two longer than the original. I'd say that's something to watch out for based on my limited experience. Great belly gun though!
My dad bought a Browning FN1910 in .380 in the late 1960s. He carried it for 20 years. I shot it a couple of times while home on leave in the mid 1970s, along with a 9mm Luger that I owned.
It was a sweet little gun, and very accurate. The sights promoted point shooting, so wherever you were looking, that was where the bullet strike was going to be. The Luger was a fun pistol, but I found it very muzzle snappy and the FMJ ball ammo I was using just poked holes without dumping much energy, so it way over penetrated.
So I sold the Luger and bought a great honking Ruger Blackhawk in .357. No carrying that thing concealed.
I had one of these branded Browning -made in Belgium. Mine was .380 Real sweet and very concealable. Also, never a stopage....it is a Browning.
I've been to the museum, its the Vienna War museum, and im pretty sure I saw all 4 of the guns in a glass case, they also have the actual car the archduke was riding in, with a couple of visible bullet holes. Pretty interesting stuff and kind of haunting to see
stay up with your hobbies it's important. Congratulations on the new purchase.
Use a Bic pen cap for a tool on that bayonet bushing. Not a hardened metal screwdriver head. Just a tip I picked up from Ian at FW.
I've been to that museum in Austria, they have three of the four 1910s
Blew past 300,000 in just a few days. This site is booming.
Enjoy that bike Othie!
As someone who was a motorcycle mechanic back when your bikes came out, good of you keep them on the road. My stable
1973 Triumph Trident
1984 BMW R100RS
2000 Triumph Sprint St
2004 Harley Davidson FXDI (daily rider)
Do not tell Mae about the 100RS. That is the top of her wishlist right now.
Also, if you're curious top of my list is a Yamaha XS1100, followed by KZ1300, and after that I'm probably most curious about Honda's Sabre although I have fears about buying one.
New sabre or old one? I had an old one, they are properly terrifying to ride if you aren't ready for them.
old, with the oil issue
Excellent animation! Thanks Guys. And thanks for giving Americans some education about the OTHER guns out there1 (PS the Police here in South Australia were equipped with the FN1910 for about half a century. Carried in a holster which fitted on studs inside their pants pockets!)
Mae said wee. Awesome.
Sweet purchase! Ride safe Brother!
Watching this now and seeing the "war were declared" bit with this pistol? My heart hurts.
Mae puts a lot of faith in that safety when she puts her thumb behind the slide and pulls the trigger. :)
Good observation. If it should fire with your thumb back there, that will be the last time you use that thumb for awhile.
You put so much work in I'm glad you got to put some resources into your other hobby too!
"Therapy"
You never see a bike outside a shrink's office.
Hey, no one works for nothing. Othaisi and May are doing a superb job, unlike many muppets on the Great War bandwagon. Go for it and enjoy.
Definitely check out The Great War's channel if you haven't already. They cover the entire war from start to finish, week by week, as it happened 100 years ago. They do it right too. They're one of the most objective and unbiased history channels on youtube imho.
I always like the types of handguns that used to Striker spring as a second recoil spring kind of like the Raven 25 also referred to the PM 25 that was made during the 1980s as a throw away pocket pistol and he trigger mechanism is almost identical except it was made of a zinc alloy known as zamac the Hi-Point yours is almost the exact same trigger mechanism as well the only difference is that they don't have a grip safety this year is caught by a spring-loaded pin and this year catch in the that pistol moves in the opposite direction it's super cool
Mae is so awesome
These were standard issue to the police in South Australia (and possibly other states) in .380 from the 1950s right up until the late 1980s. Banks also had them in large numbers. My father was a bank manager and had a bank issued one in .32 in the early 1980s.
I used them in .32 in Sydney as a security guard in the late '80s. Presumably old stock that the cops somewhere didn't want. If memory serves, Sydney cops used .38 specials when I was a kid (not absolutely positive on that, but I definitely remember them having revolvers, so close enough), so presumably our 1910s were from some other state's police or a completely separate source, I would guess.
I can only imagine how close we were to this being a show about motorcylces instead of old guns.
Not very. I can handle the near constant criticism about guns and history. I don't know that I could let my driving be so heavily inspected.
Interesting side note on the assassination of Franz Ferdinand is that the Archduke owned a silk bulletproof vest that may (apparently according to the Royal Armories) have stopped those fateful rounds had he been wearing it. However given that for a long time it was thought that an FN1900 in .32ACP was used, maybe the wrong calibre was used in testing.
❤ Thanks for all education
Nice acquisition. I owned an '86 FJ1200 in the same colors and it was one of my favorite all time rides. Extremely comfortable and loads of torque. The only issue I had was on hot summer days when it would stall at every stop light. 1200cc's definitely needs liquid cooling. Watching this video 2yrs too late. How is she working out for ya?
Loving the channel!
You and Forgotten weapons totally rock 🤘!
Oh and Bloke on the Range and so many others when learning about historic firearms.
Who’s the Canadian in a kilt? Can’t think of his name?
I’d love to see a collaboration one day.
@36:43 I did in fact conceal carry mine.With the grip safety I consider it safer than most modern guns plus not having the tilting barrel the low bore really makes it smaller than most modern conceal carry guns. My only major problem with it is the single stack magazine. I got used to the sights cause I hit the range A LOT. In my testing it feeds hollow points just fine.
Fantastic video, especially the animation how the internal mechanisms work.
I have a FN Model 1910 that belonged to my father, he was US Army in WWII and picked one up in Europe.
Its is tremendous physical condition with regard to the bluing
But several years ago the firing pin became stuck, sticking out forward, if you attempted to operate the slide and chamber a live round the pistol would "slamfire". I locked it up and never touched it after that.
I also notice the Safety Catch appears stuck or jammed and will not rotate up and down.
Between your video and locating a supply of spec parts specific to the M1910 from a website called Numrich Corporation I was now looking at disassembling and cleaning it up, as well as replacing all the original springs and figuring out which piece is jammed. Based on your animation, I am wondering if the sear is not engaging the firing pin and holding it back against the firing pin spring or if something else went wonky with the firing pin spring guide?
Any thoughts?
Thank you for the well prepared and delivered video on this topic, best I have found.
M1910 was the main pistol used by Finnish police until late 70s. Police back then used to carry concealed.
I know you are pretty busy with the gun thing but I'm sure I'm not the only one who would love to see a video about the superbikes.
I'm in south africa. And I have that exact model. Handed down to us by my German Grandfather. His father was in WW1
Great video, you kept teasing about a Browning P 35 video, I was a moderator on a few Hi Power sites "gp35fn" have a lot of information and examples of the Hi power if you need any additional information or material support
The gun that changed the world! Literally!
I collect .32 ACP/7.65mm Browning pistols of the 'Arte Deco' period (which I count from 1899/1900 to the beginning of the Second world war). I do not have a FN 1910 in 7.65mm (marked FN). I have a Browning marked 1910 design in .380 ACP. {Makes rude noise.}
The small sights. Yes, they were tiny, even more so than the usual sights of the era which were smaller than current day (1960 to 2030 give or take) sights. One must realize small pistols of the caliber were not expected to be used routinely past twenty-five meters(82 feet, just over 25 yards) or so. Plus the sights buried in the slide groove would not hang up on clothing or pick up leather shavings from the holster.
Heel release (for magazine)? Everyone had heel releases. If I'm recalling correctly, the M1911 was one of the first pistols with a push button release. Again, if I recall correctly, there were some modern era pistols imported from Europe with heel releases. The SIG P210 (1948), the SIG-Sauer P220 (1975) had a heel release to start, then changed to push button type. Some of the earlier H&K pistols... I find the U. S. "practical" or "action" pistol games mandated the push button to facilitate shooting 30 round bursts.
Nice gun. I like it. Did I miss the primer for the Browning High Power? That is one I want to see. I hope you do that one soon. I know it's a later gun designed after WW1.
Guns and motorbikes! Othais is the man.
If love to See big ole Othais riding on a motorcycle with his Yellow helmet. Must be a great sight to see.
I visited the exact spot in a very very cold Sarajevo in February! Cool city and beautiful women.
Stephen Keeler wonderful city even when the coward Serbs shell them from the hills when they can't take the city with twice the men
Bosnian women are the most attractive in the world.
You can see the pistol which killed Franz Ferdinand in the Military History Museum in Vienna. They have quite a few of them. Four if I recall. I might still have photos if you want to see the display. Also photos of the car and uniform.
Official users in Finland: defence forces, police, customs, VR (state railways), post, border- and coast guard.
I want to see all the vest pocket models!!! I love those little guns.
.25acp Forever!
Great review and great information! Was that an RZ? Nice Bikes
Mae, you're scaring me putting your thumb behind the slide while you test the safety.Othais, congrats on the bike.
Ortgies made a fine copy. I own one from 1922-ish in .32 ACP. I like it. Very accurate.
Had one of their .25's years ago. Didn't realize what I had at te time :-(
tombogan03884 The parts are getting harder and harder to find. I sure do like .25 ACP's. I let a Walther Model 9 slip past my hands. It was like a fine piece of jewelry. I have yet to see another so well kept. The thing about the Ortgies was that the only change you need in the gun to fire .32 or .380 was the barrel. Same mags, same receiver, same firing pin, same frame. Trouble is that the barrels are going for the same as I bought the gun for.
この拳銃は、コンパクトで美しいフォルムであり、しかも安価で安全性が非常に高い傑作だと個人的に思います
is it possible that there were no .32s at the factory because of how popular it was and .380s were available as unsold inventory?
I like all Browning arms!
I like how utterly secure the savage still is on its pedestal as the no. 1 .32acp. Especially since I own one and have been known to conceal carry it because I'm old fashioned and weird. I even like to argue with my friend that my Savage 1907 is superior to his Ruger LC9s. Anyway keep it up, I've been watching since the Lebel but this is my first comment!
Hey, no sweat, the Russians only ditched the Makarov a few years back.
And Ian of Forgotten Weapons sometimes uses that as his EDC.
AND he rides! Kudos Othais. Yammie man here riding a quick cruiser for its time, a '99 Virago XV1100. My daughter rides an '88 Honda Shadow 1100. Too bad about the show possibilities for bikes because I think you would rock at it. Does Mae ride?
The pistol with the serial number 19074 is the one in the military museum of vienna that claimed to be the one used bye Gavrilo princip
A footnote: In the 1920s the German firm of DWM made a fine copy of this FN pistol
Alright everyone lets get to Patreon and get Othais a new shirt.
14:50 Mae in full 'Shoot the Archduke' Serious Mode.
Damn that's a fast slide.
elfinfluff and her Happy smile will make the gun banners cringe!
I have one that's exactly the same but is marked and branded as a browning
Excellent video! How does anyone tire of John Moses Browning designs? I’ve had this firearm as well as a 1907 Savage (both in .32acp) and not sure which I prefered. Interesting that May preferred the Savage, not going to argue. I believe Wild Bill Hickok mostly used a .36 caliber cap & ball revolver which I believe ballistically is about the same as a .380acp, it seemed to have had enough power for him ... ?
It's possible that sales of the popular valiber, .32acp, kept up with production, leaving in stock only the unsold, unfamiliar, .380's for the Germans to glom .