Get BETTER at Beat Saber
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- Top 10 Tips and Tricks to get better at Beat Saber.
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Why is there only 1 reply on this
The “don’t think” one is really helpful actually. I find I play best when my mind has melted a little lol. I even play with my eyes unfocused sometimes 😂
My best scores are those that i have no clue how i got them afterwards ^^
@@blablubb8615 I know right? 😂
@@gryphongirlgaming7671 you only need eyes and hands, your brain only slows you down.
yup! sometimes when i focus a lot, i get worn out way faster. because i want to hit all the bloqs as fast as i can and most of the time i get worn out faster and even miss them way earlier than i should of.
true, sometimes i'm in that stage and in the middle of the song i regain my focus and i screw up the song, then i think how is it possible that i got so far away in the song hahahaha
Another tip: MAKE SURE TO STRETCH. This is especially important once you start playing faster levels. This is a workout and you can hurt yourself.
so true, i learnt the hard way and hurt my right shoulder and literally pulling my arm back behind my torso would hurt a lot, most of the time if ive moved quite a bit before i play i never have this issue because my body is already worked up!
tldr: listen to your gym teacher, and take breaks.
Never stretched before playing, but doesn't seem to end up with any pains lol
Yeahhhhh I got an aching arm from not
Yup defo stretching before now
haha playing We Could Get More Machinegun with no preparation go-
"Beat Sabre is a meditative experience" I completely agree and this is why I love playing it at the end of the day - gives me a chance to turn my brain off
Yeah, and then you go on for hours upon end and tire yourself out and get drenched in sweat. But you can't stop because of the nice flow of the beat and the harmony.
ya I wish… for me I’m super competitive so if I miss or fail, you know ima be stomping my feet lol.
That’s not how you spell sabre it’s saber
i use beatsaber as a workout to help me lose some weight so i pretty much and and sing my way through all the songs on hard mode and i’m very happy with how i play
I just don't have the motivation to even though I am a 1.2k rank in the world. Usually I play for around half a hour and get off and maybe do it again later in the day...
@@kbyrnenc yea i couldn’t even tell you what rank i am 😂 i just do it for 3 hours straight every day just jamming out to linkin park on hard mode and call that my workout
@@matthewturner261 Are you a PC player? If so you should get mods they really help in improvement, if you ever get bored of playing just for the sake of it and losing weight I recommend playing ranked (Aka. Competitive)
@@matthewturner261 If you want a good look at what ranked is like you can check out people like Cerret or Astrella_ (They both have stuff other than ranked but they are the top players)
@@kbyrnenc no i do not own a pc i have really bad carpel tunnel in both of my wrist so i have never been one to sit down at a computer so i never bought one i play in an oculus quest
4:49
Casually just pushes tv in the void
Lmao righttt
Instructions unclear, Broke my arm again pogchamp
Ahh shoot pulled a Joshabi again
Oop
Yea same but my dog is now bald
😂😂😂
Broke arm playing acc?!
I've played for 4 hours now and the leap from hard to expert is pretty substantial compared to the other leaps. I didn't even think about using practice mode and the no fail option. I'm gonna go through one song at a time in expert slowing ramping up to 100% speed. This has been a great video!
Don't do one song at a time, it's unnecessary. Play the ones you're working on once or twice and come back to it another day. You improve automatically.
I’m sure you’ve either stopped playing the game or have now gotten to the point where you are able to beat expert+ levels now, but the jump from expert to expert+ is way more substantial.
I got to expert. Expert + is as you say an even bigger leap. Unfortunately my vr sensor broke and I've not been able to replace it for a while so I'll be rusty at it when I eventually start playing again.
I believe the gap from expert to expert+ because it comes at you so much faster
I gotta say, your dancing, to me, is quite elegant. It’s a wonderful mix of beauty and skill. I really like that “flow” tip.
I agree
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@@dingoesndropkics3819 just because someone compliments a female it doesn’t mean that they are a simp. I don’t get it with you weirdos who think being nice to someone is being a simp.
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Don't know why I'm watching this, i don't even own a VR headset
Same lmao 😆
Why not try to get a Quest 2? It's a great starting point. You as well @Darren Morris.
@@letschat6 me who started with psvr soon to get quest 2 😎
@@DWilliams Nice! You might seriously enjoy my videos then 🙂
I can do ghost on expert+ yet I have spent the last hour watching tips and tricks
Another useful tip for the Quest 2 tracking: The cameras on the Quest sometimes get a little smudged, it's handy to take a lens cleaning cloth and wipe the camera lenses off to help with tracking.
The 'don't think' one really spoke to me. Whenever I start thinking consciously during a really hard song I immediately mess up. While when I just 'panic-crazy-go-for-it' it turns out ok. Amazing. :'-)
I just started getting into Beat Saber to add more variety to my streams and this was super helpful. Thanks ❤️
Jonas??
Jonas about to start climbing ranks in Beat Saber too PogChamp
Beat saber lineups when?
what!!
what
Something I found kind of interesting is that I was able to develop my sight reading skills and general playing a lot faster than my friends who didn't have any music or drumming background like I do. I'm not expert at either of these things for sure, but some of the skills I developed in those areas kinda translated over to beat saber. Just something to think about!
I play bass (and was in chorus for most of my life) and my brother is a drummer so we both began increasing our difficulty around similar times
We are better at different patterns tho which is interesting
I'm better when it's an odd pattern whereas he does great at drum roll types of movements
Very true. I played piano for a while and got pretty good at guitar hero so I was able to start beating expert songs in just 2 weeks of playing being already familiar with how rhythm games work.
I am just a mom trying to whoop my kid. But i am old school i research and read and watch. I used a lot of your tips and so i will be ready for him. I i have only been playing a week but i am very competitive and i was frustrated because i was stuck on easy. I am now on normal with sped up songs and im a week i will be whooping his butt lol. I got this. Thank you !!!
I wish mym mon was like this. She thinks games are a bad hobby
@@firerider669 have her play supernatural it's like beat saber but with her music . I lost 33 pounds. It's demographic is 30+
I am a mom too. And my daughter is now creeping up to my expert status 😂 she’s on hard and turns off the no fail.
@Monique Jones lol my mom is obsessed with supernatural
@@Carrotsrcuul that's so great. I hit my goal weight in March:-)
Honestly, your dancing has helped me understand the tracks so much better! After watching you, I’m convinced that much of Beatsaber is meant to be played as a dance.
I tried the claw grip with my Quest 2 after hundreds of hours of beat saber and it turned me from a master to a god. It’s magical how much better this feels. Thank you Ms. Naysy! :D
Now I have to try it
Might have to give this a try, then. Been using the basic grip, since I first got the game.
1. Claw grip
2. Crab stance
3. ???
4. Crabbie Patties / Profit!
Agreed. I couldn’t do expert holding it the normal way.
As per tip #6, one of my favorite parts of beat saber is how I don’t tend to practice the same song over and over again (except for over the top stupid hard levels of course), instead I just go play a bunch of other ones and come back to it eventually to find that I’m able to do it super well! Grinding on a single level can be fun, but it’s not a thing I’d want to do for every decently difficult level, so it makes me happy that it’s relatively easy to develop a sense for lots of different levels just by playing what you can! I also consider this and the flow element to essentially be a form of fantasy fulfillment because it’s insane that we’re able to do these things at such high speed even when they’re so complex, but when you’re actually doing it it’s relatively easy just because you’ve built up the muscle memory for a lot of common patterns across many different levels.
Your “dancing around like an idiot” is probably why some of us watch!
yep do u play beatsaber?
Mean
Lmfao
It's better exercise!
@@tggamez1165 rude
"If you have mirror's in your room, consider covering them up." *Looks at my wall this is literally a giant mirror.* Oh.
I also have a wall that is a mirror ;-;
Rich boi in the comments
Turn around?
This is what is so great about Beat Saber and other rhythm action games: They are engineered to induce a flow state.
The grip is definitely super important. I know with the psvr I tend to want to hold the controllers by default but after a song or two I switch to holding more towards the bottom of the controllers to give my wrists more flexibility. For sure helps improve accuracy and performance.
"don't think" - I figured that out within the first hour or two of playing beat saber. I do better letting the music flood my brain instead of thinking about the blocks, it feels weird but also incredibly relaxing
Bingo!! Every time I would start thinking about something else I'd mess up. Don't think! I tell myself this all the time playing!
It's fun until you get tired
@@MannMannMannMann I rarely get tired of Beat Saber. It is my upper-body exercise that I do for a couple hours every day. I have a full spinal fusion and it gets muscles I never knew I had, nerves too. If I would have had this right after my operation I would being doing a hell of a lot better. It's been about five or six years since my operation and I've only had Beat Saber for a little over a year I believe. Best thing I ever did was get the VR system. Also thanks to beat saber I have found new music that has been getting me through some shity days. Imagine Dragons and BTS. Their new mixtape is pretty awesome also. 👍😎 I'm 57 last Saturday.
@@64onehotmama well I am 14 and really unhealthy so there's def a difference there.
@@MannMannMannMann why are you not healthy? Please don't take vaccines.
For me I find myself in that spot where expert is (usually) too easy but expert+ has my brain melting
That's the steepest jump between levels.
same
Extra tip: look at the blocks that are of distance so that you will know which saber to use and this is very helpful in “no arrows” and hard levels
I’d also mention making sure you set the right IPD. Besides reducing eye strain, it’ll also help you have a better idea of how close/far the cubes are from you.
I know your comment is a year old but how would I change my ipd?
@@micky2009 If you're using the Quest 2, you can move the right lens to 3 different positions to adjust it.
“I highly recommend” count: 107 😂
I didn't even realise it was being said so much till I saw this comment. Now I'm hearing them all😂
So it’s crazy because when I first started playing, I found it so difficult to complete the harder levels. One day, I realized I was just playing on “autopilot” and was hitting every single block - I decided to try a expert map using the same method and to my surprise, I did amazing! It’s so crazy, but it works! Your brain is amazing.
Omg. The point about forward tracking on the Oculus headsets! Didn't even think of that, but it would explain why I miss boxes almost every time I try to get sassy and catch a box to my side or behind my head. Thanks!
Also would add, love the point about having fun! I'm just starting and find normal to hard is more fun, cuz it gives me more space to "dance like an idiot" too!
I can definitely tell the difference with the claw grip. I haven’t completed any expert + levels, but I’ve been working on them. Beat saber I’ve been trying to finish because my friend told me that practicing that helps you beat everything else.
Thanks for your pointers. I just got the Oculus 2 for my 50th birthday a few weeks ago; I am hooked!!!! Beat Saber is very addictive and I love it!!!
How's it coming?
I think you're absolutely right about the patterns. I played piano a little bit (definitely not gifted lol) and can read music a bit. I noticed right away in beat saber that oddly enough, the patterns made sense. I had figured that the slashing would go with the beat of the song, but was amazed how your brain can pick up the block patterns even on songs you've never played.
playing other rythm games helps too. I used to play a lot of osu (wasn't amazing at it or anything), and I noticed that I was quite a bit better than my friends who started at the same time as me
@@0bread286 yeah. i've played osu!mania and osu!taiko only since 4-5 months ago and im better than my friends, can play 2-3 star maps on mania so far, not dedicating my whole life to osu!mania tho lol
Thanks for this. I just got my first headset last week, and can now full combo hard mode, but fail miserably when going for expert. Didn't know practice mode existed and it could be a great help. The part about tracking also explains a lot of the times I miss a block when I was sure I hit it. No need to diss your dancing, that's what makes the game fun
I love the don't think tip, because I have experienced the flow in another games so when I felt it on this game was so gratifying to see the blocks hit and being able to just enjoy the song
“Don’t think” is key. Intrusive thoughts break flow and then it’s blah
One thing that I don't see mentioned in Beat Saber tips videos is something that I can see most experienced Beat Saber players, including Naysy here, do subconsciously. It's preserving energy through fluid movement. Basically, If you have a situation where you continuously need to move your arms (not wrists) up and down or left and right repeatedly don't use energy to stop your arm and make it move the other way, instead make it a rotation. Sort of like a U turn instead of reversing back in a straight line. The U turn does not need to be big. The point is to keep using the energy of your first swing to get into the next one thus increasing your endurance. (Jaroslav Beck - Escape (ft. Summer Haze) on Expert 50 second mark and many other marks almost forces you to do that with your right arm)
For sight reading basics, usually (USUALLY) Beat Saber songs are made to be intuitive. If you swing with your left or right saber one direction then the next block will probably be in the opposite or close to opposite direction for that saber.
I find the “crab stance” to be very useful for harder songs but I also find that it hurts my arms a bit more. When I first tried play Ov Sacrament and Sincest I naturally went into the crab stance and within 30 seconds my arms were sore and tired.
Also, mapping tip: Flow is very important when mapping. When mapping, make sure to check out the flow/parity section of the BSMG mapping wiki. You don’t want to have a down slice leading to another down slice because then the player’s arm will have to reset back up to hit the next note.
The "Don't think" tip, this is something I have come across too and overthinking it caused me to miss blocks. Excellent tip
btw if you dont have a vr headset you should play this game called piano tiles 3 its so good for zoning out and not thinking and playing iv been playing that game alot and still i dont have a vr headset and im super good at timing my hits and my reaction time to hiting them and i just vibe to the music no thinking nothing just dont think
Love your Beat Saber Video's! Found this to be a very well thought out and presented guide, always found your videos to be upbeat and enjoyable. And as always your hair is on point! 💜💜💜💜
I enjoy goofy dancing when I'm playing. Just got a quest over the holidays and its a blast!
pog what level are you on?
@@torshy1043 I only got it this Christmas, so I just worked my way up to hard, but I have years of childhood experience with guitar hero/Rock Band. Lol
Love the channel, and turning off all the extra effects instantly made me go from the 4 BPS songs to the 5's. I can't believe how much of a difference it made, thank you!
The first one saved my life THANK YOU I never knew about that setting because I’m so new
Great video! One tip I recommend is trying out custom saber mods, I thought they were really just to look cool. But they definitely improve my accuracy! Thinner sabers help me hit the blocks a lot easier and seem to help in faster sections
I remember Bandoot recommending that to get better but it sucks that quest and quest 2 users can't get the custom sabers
@@BrickThunder I know that but not everyone has the link cable
@@theresachacon1122 like me
@@geckowithamustache3146 You only need a pc and a charger, no link cable
@@fivr. will it still work with a laptop? I don’t really have a pc
something she didn't mention (I think) is controller settings which definitely helps a lot if the grip u wanna use doesn't have a good swing angle or doesn't have the one you prefer. Changing controller settings can also reduce saber wobble (the wiggles in ur swing) which can help with accuracy and reducing bad cuts (when you hit a block in the wrong direction). Similar to grips it is something to mess around with and experiment. Also when switching grips or controller settings, give it some time, ur not gonna be used to it right away so give it a few days to try it out and get used to it.
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I was seven minutes in before I noticed the excellent Boo attire, so subbing for that alone.
Brilliant video too, definitely a big help, thankyou!
Thanks for the tips. I have had some tracking issues. All this time been playing in front of a mirror, just due to room layout. Will try changing position!
Really good video Naysy, hopefully can see more better players from this :D
Your videos helped me get the most out of Beatsaber. This is a tremendous help as well. Thank you.
You are Amazing! Really helpful advice. I was pretty much done with Beat Saber because I was unable to advance past Expert difficulty, but after following some of theses steps I can tell I am getting better for sure and I am able to complete some Expert + songs now. I am also having much more fun dancing around with it too! I really think dancing helps out.
Me: *complains about tracking
My room: a computer, 2 windows, phone and iPad in for the of me, 2 tv’s
Also me: ahh I see
Hey man, I like how you're dancing throughout all the charts! You have such a good flow while playing, and you make it look so easy :P
it always looks easy do u play beatsaber?
Did you say hey man to a woman?
@@Haxalott Quicker to say and sounds better than “hey woman”
I really liked the tips, found some really good that I didn't realize existed, like the no fail option or making the lights static and taking off debris. I kind of knew they were there, but forgot from when they were mentioned on someone's video about the Original Quest all that time ago.
I've played Beat Saber for about 50 hours now and I've been struggling a bit on Expert+. Your tips on grip were especially helpful for me
Beat Saber made me start appreciating dancing (and I HATED it before x.x), but then I discovered Synth Riders and completely fell in love. I know Beat Saber is the more popular title, but I love Synth Riders' approach to dancing.
I need to make more Synth Riders videos
I tend to swing my arms a lot and hit the blocks hard. So yeah I have tracking problems when one of the controllers ends up behind me. I have a ps4 so I usually grab the bottom of the move controllers. Both have gripped skins on them so I dont worry about one of them going through the TV. Practice mode is a god send and is really great for muscle memory. I love when you get in the zone your arms just know what to do after a while. I love the time whe you have no idea how you are hitting the blocks.
Great video Naysy. Just received my OQ2 last Friday. Loving the experience. Currently playing via Virtual Desktop to get that fully wireless experience. It's truly amazing.
I’m glad people like you exist. I’ve been struggling to upload (because there’s nothing for me to talk about) so I’m trying to get better at beatsaber on the quest 2 😃
9:07 I personally find claw grip a lot more comfortable if you use 3 fingers in the ring instead of 2 for the Q2 controllers; they're a lot chomkier and the edge of the ring digs into my hand with 2 fingers.
I just got my oculus quest 2 today and this rly helped with beat saber thx
Thanks for the tips! I’ve only been playing for a few weeks and I’m pretty decent at it. I was definitely curious about a few things to make my game play even better so this video sounds like it’s going to really help me out.
I just got the game yesterday and I found that standing on my toes helps a lot cause I can see the upcoming boxes and I’m short. The wrist flicking really helps because I was trying to smack the blocks really hard like a drummer
I have to do this silly plant stance to get any accuracy, and just headtilt, flail and squat gracelessly. I wish I could 'dance like an idiot'! XD
I've played the campaign and multiple custom songs and managed to get better when I just got the game. Great video and tips.
Kind of cool to see you explaining how to get your tracking working better, as somebody who actually works in VR and so comes at it from a different pov. (I spent about 2 years working on code for a tracking system pretty similar to the original Oculus tracking)
And oh yeah, grip and controller can make a big difference. When I got index controllers instead of my vive wands, my scores jumped from like 20k to 30k. Having everything more compact in my hand helped a ton.
Super helpful, thank you
I think this is a really good tips and tricks video. I feel the pain of inside out tracking having to keep your arms in front of the cameras and not putting them behind you, Learned that one real quick a while back lol. kinda makes it hard to get that full swing cause if u accidently move your arm in a certain way camera says bye bye and miss. Though i might try to do a little cover up thingy on the lights that my computer makes, might make a little difference in the tracking like u said^^
Thank you for this! You showed me options I can do in the game I didn’t even know existed
dancing around like an idiot is a huge reason why i love beat saber ! i only have 77 hours in it but i’ve played rhythm games my whole life and always push myself to get a full combo and work towards harder songs so it was something i picked up fairly quickly. i had never thought to hold my controllers a different way when i play but after watching this video i tried it and after 2 tries i full comboed an expert song that had been plaguing me for months ! your tips with lighting and covering windows were also major helps too, i always felt like my tracking was weird and that was definitely why. seriously thank you so much for this video i can’t wait to see how much better i can get now !!
3900# on score saber here and honestly the first one is a big key jumping into much harder songs for a bit and no matter how bad you do on them the songs that where just out of reach will feel a lot easier after you adjust to the faster songs
yeah when i started 5 days ago expert was way too fast now i can do it in my sleep
I have a quest 2 and there’s never any performance issues
Many thanks for this, especially how the score is worked out, I was hitting every block but coming up short of my friends total. After watching this I went back and blitzed every one of his high scores :-)
these tips really make sense, I’ll definitely be using these for my attempt at completing Spin Eternally on expert mode, thanks!
Just got the game for christmas! Really addictive! Put a lot of hours into it, and I've completed a few songs on expert mode already. Definitely makes me sore the next morning if I play for too long in one day though!
my biggest tipp is mod beatsaber! the game runs and track much better especially on ultra fast songs
I must say, your beat saber game play is truly inspirational
I've only got a couple hours total on this game, and can hold my own pretty well at Normal speed. I've dipped a toe into the Expert stuff a couple times and got steamrolled pretty quickly, but I'll get there. The speeds you're running at are absolutely insane. Your agility and reflexes are over the top. Wow.
12:45 I end up doing this sometimes and I call it pilot mode.
so i just started the game and i played this one song called reality check something and i was having major tracking issues when the beat dropped. it was totally 100% tracking and not my lack of skill.
Sorry to hear that I think you should move on to another song ASAP
Thank you for the tips. They are very helpful to me since I have been playing Beat Saber for a week now. Like you I am more interested in the dancing than the score.
I so totally agree with you about like when you’re playing and he just zone out like your mind is in processing and you’re just doing it like that I’m a newbie playing a game and that’s exactly how I feel sometimes playing
You’re very motivating! Thank you!
LOL You might call it "dancing around like an idiot" I prefer to call it " entertaining the masses" And you do that with style... So kill them blocks dancing and having fun. Nic
This video really helped me! I'm doing better already! My grip with the Index was close to what they call the claw grip in the picture... But it never occured to me to put my index finger over the wrist strap like that, and it seems to really help.
Finally got this thing yesterday. Need to get the other half of the hard songs I can’t pass, passed. This video’s perfect.
Me casually playing crab race while listening
Thank you so much I have a TH-cam channel and I want to do expert plus again thanks :)
Nice! Have you considered looking into mixed reality for your videos?
@@letschat6 Not yet I play on the psvr but if I could get my hands on an oculus quest 2 then I might but then I need a green screen but I don’t own one of those either but some day I might
@@letschat6 And I just watched one of your beat sabor live stream your not bad lol wish I can get custom songs like that
@@justinmachado08 Thanks for checking it out! I highly recommend a Quest 2.
@@justinmachado08 I also make beatsaber videos, and I highly reccomend the quest 2
i love the "dancing around like an idiot" part, that is what makes it fun to play (and makes your videos fun to watch).
Also, the "not thinking" or getting in the flow was the hardest for me
OMG, I can't think you enough. I was getting so frustrated that I wasn't scoring very high despite not missing a single block. I was actually on the verge of giving up the game. Turns out just changing my grip made a HUGE difference.
46 seconds ago, woah
"Dance around like an idiot" - hey, the dancing is what makes you unique and so fun to watch!
Anyway, claw grip player here, that was the single most significant thing that immensely improved my game play. The other thing is "no-fail". Playing with that and not getting discouraged when missing half the blocks is really important. Eventually you reach a stage where you disable no-fail for a particular map and find out you can finish it. The feeling when that happens, when you finish a map for the first time, is just super amazing, an intense feeling of accomplishment.
'No Fail' is a must IMHO when learning new rhythm games. Thanks for these tips!!
Thank you for sharing! I did not know about practice mode and the settings you could tweak. Also your dancing is great!
I feel like it has to be said...
PSVR PLAYERS BE LIKE👁👄👁
"I personally dont use this grip because i have super tiny hands"
Me and you both sister
Same. I have the same size hands as my 11 yo son 😂
Great tips and an awesome video. Thanks for putting this together.
stumbled on this but have to say you're fantastic at tutorials & I'm only 3 mins in. incredible. kudos
Just got into this. Thanks for the tutorial advice!
I just started with Beat and this is great info. Thanks for posting!
I been watching your beat saber vids for months now and I finally got an oculus 2 the other day. Love your vids
Really cool to see you enjoy the Best Sabre as a semi-meditative thing. I'm still looking to find something to quiet my mind personally. Walking in nature helps but only if alone.