It's hard to believe that Jordan still holds the record for most points in a playoff run considering how easy it is to score in the league now and how many 3s they b shooting. That's pretty impressive... says alot about how good this guy really was
Anybody who thinks Lebron's peak was better than Jordan's needs to put that pipe down!! Lol Anyone who was old enough to watch Jordan, saw greatness and it's why he was the best player in the NBA for so many years winning 3 championships in a row!! Jordan's peak was from 85 to 93. And even when Jordan wasn't winning championships he was still dominating the league. And that's when Pippen hadn't developed into the all star player he was yet, Jordan still dragged them to the playoffs, semifinals and conference game in the late 80s. And those were the years where Jordan put up his best numbers. It took Lebron 15 seasons to do what Jordan did in 9 when you compare their averages.
I'm old enough to have seen the og Michael Jordan and that would be DR. J. The doctor ran all over the American Basketball League the league for Black folks because a nigga wasn't welcome in the NBA. If you'd add together Julius Erving's ABA scoring with his NBA scoring he's probably somewhere near the top players numbers of the NBA. Anyway, back to MJ Jordan could and would score incredibly well for the Bulls but they seemed to find ways to lose anyway. Six, seven years Michael would shoot the hell out of the basket--and they'd lose. In fact, what the Lakers have provided for Lebron these last few years looks very much like the scrub teams put together around Lebron. This old planet spinnin' round, tells us somethin'. Tells us the forces of a circle as it spins around till it gets back to where it started. Lebron turned around a Cleveland team immediately. Oh they weren't good enough to win it all but they were a threat to go all the way because they had Lebron. Jordan's teams sucked initially until they put some really good teammates around him, and when they finally did Michael won. There's that circular thing again but hey, could be um talkin' sum straight bs! Lol
@@thepublishingpoet8435 That was an incredible amount of baloney right there.. 😅 just FYI Jordan never lost 3 gAmes in a row from 90-98.. and also Lebron missed the playoffs his first two years while the Proper Rookie of the year of 04 was 2 years in at a tougher conference 😂 you lebron fans are something else 😅 It’s incredibly Hilarious that you equate Lebrons rookie cavs of his first two years as the same talent pool he has had with the Lakers.. Time to hang it up my guy lol
The championship that he won in Cleveland I didn’t see him taking the winning shot Steph Curry’s face I saw Kyrie Irving hit the game-winning shot not LeBron
When 5 of the 6 losses are to teams far superior to the teams Jordan faced (most overmatched and 3 of which only had one Hall of Fame player on their roster). Portland, Seattle, Phoenix? 🤣🤣🤣
Hey bro I know Jordan is the GOAT, but for me, I give Bron passes for 07, and the last 2 vs GSW. His teams rlly weren’t stacking up to their Finals competition. So Bron to me is 4-4 in the Finals. Better, but not amazing. Is that valid?
I never hear people mention that Jordan won 2 championships without a single other all-star on his team. Yet people say lebron carries his teams, it's so annoying, he does not carry his teams
having no other literal all star does not mean you don't have people that aren't all star caliber and rodman was. theres a reason he's in the hall of fame. Jordan had way more help then LeBron on individual teams and he faced easier teams. expecting LeBron's 50+ wins teams to beat a 73-9 warriors is laughable but when Jordans 72-10 bulls beats a 60 win team I'm supposed to be impressed which makes no sense considering he's carrying nobody. none of Jordan's wins were impressive and he had all the help in the world. If Lebron had that help he would have at least 8 rings. Just Imagine if Lebron was with the heat for his whole career but you also add amazing bench depth.
They don’t remember that Chris Bosh was an all star and could have easily made it to the hof if he was never injured and Dwayne wade will be a hof induction. Then he had Kyrie and Kevin love who were also both all star before lebron showed up. The with the lakers he had AD who was an MVP Westbrook who was an MVP. Like he always had crazy talent needed to win
@@kennethgodwin2461 This is the biggest, most Lebron fan cap, I've seen. Lebron would have 1 ring if he stayed with the Cavs the entire time. Lebron has literally had more help than Jordan throughout his entire career. Jordan won 3 in a row with a developing Pippen... and Horace Grant. If Lebron was on the 87 bulls and was told "Hey Lebron, don't worry, we've got a 5th seed draft in Pippen, a 10th seed draft in Horace grant, and a rookie coach in Phil Jackson... lets go win some chips" he would have been flying out scouting for an already top 75 player to ride his coattails. Instead Lebron lost 9 years in a row, and decided that he had to go try to make a super team... which he did... and he should have won 4 in a row with that team. Early 2010s were literally free taking and weak as hell. Imagine thinking Jordan winning 3 in a row with nobodies at the time (yes, Pippen was a nobody at THAT time), never going to a game 7, never losing after Pippen reached a level where Jordan actually had a 2nd player helping him.. is less impressive. Do you really think that building up your franchise to dominate a league for years, is less impressive than flying around the country, grasping at straws to build teams to win, then bailing once it's not working anymore? When Rodman came to the Bulls, they traded Will Perdue for a 35 year old Dennis Rodman. That was AFTER they won 3 in a row mind you. By the sounds of it, you probably never watched much 80s or 90s ball, and you have no idea who Will Perdue is.. most people don't. That shows how "valued" a 35 year old Rodman was at the time. Jordan retires for 17 or 18 months, they get Rodman who's partying, doesn't really want to take shit seriously.. and then they win another 3 in a row. If you want to play the hypothetical game with "Lebron would have 8 rings".. which he wouldn't, he's 4-6 when the East was insanely weak for a decade, and he'd get bodied by the West... and then when he formed his super team he won 2 and lost to the 2nd oldest team ever. Imagine if Jordan's dad didn't get murdered, and Krause didn't want to split everyone up. Jordan would have an ACTUAL 8, or 9. Hypothetical's are fun because even with Lebron being able to jump from superstar to superstar, he's still 40% in the finals, and gets outplayed by nobody players.
@@kennethgodwin2461 LeBron has definitely had more help. Antwan Jamison, mo Williams, Wade, Bosh, Kevin love, kyrie, and AD were all all star or superstar players that LeBron has played with. Jordan had pippen, rodman, and Horace grant who didn't make an all-star team with him but I'll include him. Don't even bring up depth cuz Jordan has had some bums in his starting lineup on championship teams. And u bring up if LeBron had stayed with the heat? He one 2 out of the 4 years he was with them, don't act like he was dominating the league. If Jordan had prime pippen his whole career tho knows how many rings he wouldve won, considering they won 6/6 years while pippen was in his prime, excluding 1995
Let me repeat something tried and true as a Buffalo Bills fan since birth. "Boy I love Losing Superbowls" Nobody reveres the Bills for losing all our superbowl appearances. Some people might not even remember the great players we had on our team Jim Kelly, Thurman Thomas, Bruce Smith etc.. I DO! But it doesn't matter. Because we didn't win. I'm tired of people counting showing up to be the first loser as an accomplishment. You don't remember the person who finished second in every race. You don't win silver. You lose to gold.
I grew up in the Bay Area in CA, and I also remember Cornelius Bennett, Darryl Talley, and big-head Don Beebe. I’d never disrespect that team! Man, they had a helluva run with some of the best players ever to put pads on IMO. However, I understand your point. But your team was FIRE back then and no one can dispute that. p.s. stay safe in that crazy storm. 💯
@@CassiusClizzle Thanks dood and i know the Bills were great, it's because of that reason weak excuses to make Lebron sound better really get on my nerves. It's not that he's not great, he is, but adding in his finals loses is a minus not a plus for him. Know how people say in post season your regular season record doesn't matter anymore, you start back at zero? Well I also add that if you get to the finals what you did to get there doesn't matter if you don't win. That's why we have tournament finals, everything leading up to it was building up to final test narrowing the field over and over until two teams stand and if you lose, well you know. Anyways -You stay safe out there too brother.
I'll never forget those teams. Football is a totally different sport and to do something like what Buffalo did is still amazing. I don't care that they lost, and I'm a Giants fan.
Getting swept is one thing. But for it to happen twice while looking like straight trash is on the queen's "broad shoulders". He never had the "It" factor and he has no clutch bone in his body.
@@dominiquejones3805 it was only a prime Shaq, Kobe wasn't in his prime yet. The 2017 Warriors had a prime steph who was fresh of 2 back to back mvps one of the being unanimous, Draymond who won a Defensive player in 2017, Klay who made the all star team in 2017 and also made all nba 3rd team the year before, and a Prime KD who was fresh off an all star team and 2nd team all NBA selection. That Lakers team had a great duo, but that Warriors team had an All star starting five who were all in the primes outside of Kevon Looney
@@dwaynesingleton2987 he still couldn’t get it done and all y’all do is make excuses. Jordan legit had bums his first few years. Either Lebrons east comp was trash or LeBron isn’t a leader lol it’s one or the other
JORDAN never seen a game 7 lebron struggled with overtimes & buzzer shots cause it was difficult for him to put teams away... its so disrespectful to compare lebron to mike💯
@@drchrisheidelberg No he wasn’t…finals were never mentioned ONCE in his comment. But now that he’s been called out, he’s gonna change and say he was talking about the finals
@@gggyy7104 Sit down and take the L, Lebron aint had no peak. In a weak eastern conference, Lebron had more help, MJ peaked on the playoffs and not seein a game 7
Keep going. Your videos are the only voice of truth in a world where the media makes up random meaningless stats and narratives to keep Lebron relevant.
Jordan continued to play at point guard until the end of the season. He averaged 30.4 points, 10.7 assists, 9.2 rebounds, and 2.4 steals in 39.8 minutes over 24 games. 1988 -89 season
I’m from Cleveland and still live in Cleveland. The truth is we over spent to please lebron cause we meaning cavs wanted to kill that narrative that we not making moves. We over pleased lebron and had the highest pay roll in nba history .
@@ricardolozano5356 yes. They did. That’s factual evidence. Smaller markets always over pay to get guys to stay. Especially when Klutch was representing a quarter of the roster
Lord forbid if Jordan had real talent. How can we forget the great John Sally, the legendary bill wennington, the 4000 year old Robert chief Parrish . Who can forget Dickey Simpkins and the all mighty Jason Caffey. MJ literally carried his team. The thing I dislike most about Lebron fans are how bias and disingenuous they are, for the same reasons they praise Lebron for they try and criticize Jordan for the same thing. It was literally Jordan, even Pip wasnt always there he was injured or missing time and complaining about his contract and a bunch of average to below average role players
You know your stuff, those players you mentioned were bad, nice guys but not that good in basketball, as for pippen, correct again, he was not always dependable to carry the bulls, MJ had to play great ball in order for pippen to play at a high level, don't get me wrong I love what pippen did in 94, but Mj had to carry the team most of the time.
@@leonardocarretero1054 They had 1 good season under Pip, he folded under the pressure of leadership ship. Not dismissing his greatness but that wasn’t his role. The 94-95 season the bulls were barely a .500 team they lost to a 3-23 clippers team, I don’t think MJ gets enough credit for the leader he was and the other intangible things you can’t coach. I don’t see players with those qualities. MJ is forever ♾️ the goat 🐐 forget the stats the man made his team believe they were winners, great and champions you can’t coach that
He won six championship in a row. He just left for two years and came back and won 3 more but they were all back to back. He never lost in the finals amazing
I mean technically, not fully accurate. He returned and they lost to the Shaq/Penny Magic, but, he was the reason they made the playoffs despite missing over half the season.
He returned and lost to the magic, and probably would’ve lost 1/2 finals to hakeem if he played in 94, and played the full 95 season (assuming he makes it to the finals in 95 because he wouldn’t of been rusty if he never played baseball)
A major part of LeBron's legacy is team-hopping and reconstructing rosters. Jordan never would have been in that situation because he built a dynasty in Chicago and had no need to "escape" like LeBron.
I got to clear this up. If Michael Jordan has time to practice and train his team they are going to play way better than LeBron James teams. They don't have to be great on offense, they do got to be great on defense. Michael Jordan beating them all, if he has guys that can play defense. I don't believe in hypothetical. I believe in how a player performs, and Michael Jordan don't give up, like LeBron James does.
I’m glad I was around to watch MJ….his numbers are almost unbelievable so I don’t blame Lebron fans lol.. But you have to come to terms at some point or another
If you think about it… it took Jordan less time to do what he did look up how many games Lebron played through his whole career he’s top 10… Jordan wasn’t even top 50 in games played just shows you who brought more to the table.. Jordan did what he did in less time that’s what makes him the goat
I'm tired of LBJ fans saying that him breaking the all time scoring record will make him the goat. If MJ never retired those two times before the official retirement, he would have the all time scoring record plus others that LBJ could never catch. MJ is just a much better player, period! With or without stats.
@@antwanwilliamsAkrimoneyAkiApac agreed. Stats aside, he was just a better player. LeBron is the most gifted physically, but Jordan is just better at basketball 🤷🏻
In the 1986 / 87 season he avg 37.1 a game scored over 3000 points in a season and hit 12 3 pointers all year let that sink in when guys today are taking 10-15 3 pointers a game .
Just look at the mental gymnastics and “if” games Lebron and his fans have to go through just to try and put Lebron equal to or beyond MJ🤣🤣🤣 Those games only work one way, in favor of Lebron. The jealousy is epic. When you have to tear someone down to build yourself up, you are the loser. These games are only played by the side that cannot win on its own merit. So we have to play these games to soothe their egos. Case closed.
LeBron James got his stats from the padding he does when the game is already decided and people just look at the numbers and think he’s really great and dominant. The rebounds and assists as well as scoring averages didn’t really effect the game results during the LeBron playoff run consistently because his teammates often played better than they got credit for every year.
@@billychen3349 the 18' cav are not great... they were not better than the Celtics for example. They only won because of Lebron. And nobody beats those healthy KD Warriors team not even 96 Buills
@@lntestine the hell i dont lol Im 40 and grew up watching basketball since the age of 8. In the nineties scoring was alot different. If u averaged 15 you were an all-star caliber player. Pace was alot slower. The game was geared more toward defense. Jordan would go crazy in todays game. There is not bigs like then to stop him from finishing. No one could stay in front of him. Hes too fast and can jump too high. Hes too acrobatic. Plus the mindset of jordan is going to get him to adjust to todays game. He would dominate and average wilt type of numbers.
Man... I see Lebron's runs to the basket, and compare to the runs MJ did, it's not even close, Lebron seems a wacky parody of a ball player, Jordan on the other hand is smooth.
One thing for sure, Jordan would DEFINITELY be THANKFUL to JR Smith for getting that offensive rebound for the CHANCE to win it in OT and denying the warriors to win it during regular period.
Exactly, JR didn’t blow that game for the Cavs like these LeDicklicks want you to think, if anything he saved it. That whole sequence coulda been avoided had LBJ not bitched up when Curry was guarding him top of the key in crunch time
@@craig2069 Lebron isn’t better than Jordan’. Lebron is almost as good offensively but nowhere near a better player. Y’all always leave our defense, and efficiency. Those turnovers Lebron have prove this fact. All those misses Lebron has prove it too.
How does anyone even know whether or not jordan could get that 2018 cavs team to the finals? No one can honestly say yes or no. But I will say this. Lebron was basically the focal point for that team and had the 34/9/9 run. Awesome! When jordan was the extreme focal point for the bulls in 1988, he had a 32/8/8 stat line for the season and 35/7/7.5 in those playoffs. Then he practically did it again the next season 37/7/7. So how is it so easily concluded that MJ could not do what Lebron did in 2018?
The fact that LeBron James walked out of the conference finals when he knew they were going to lose speaks volumes. Comparing LeBron to Michael if that would've been Michael...Michael would will his team to win LeBron quits on his team and blames it on everyone else just like this current playoff run suggested if Lebron (with 3 All Stars mind you) really would've been better than Jordan he would NOT HAVE lost point blank.
Is also like to point out that, with D Rose injury, just about every player on Lebrons team had an abysmal season compared to any other years surrounding that time in 2018
One point that is ALWAYS avoided by LeFlop fans is, his points are made in a NO TOUCH defensive era. Jordan scored in a mugfest era! LeBron would be laughed off the court in Jordan's era as he flopped continually! In this powder puff era Jordan would AVERAGE 45-50.
The Bulls defense during their championship runs was much better than any team that the Warriors faced in their championship runs except the Spurs when Kawhi was healthy and the best 2-way player in the league by Jordan himself. The Bulls had size and gave more consistent and persistent effort than the teams today with 4 far better offensive players than anyone on the Cavaliers roster.
Agreed, but also because in those days you were allowed to actually play defense. If you're playing by 90's rules, the 2018 Warriors aren't nearly as potent. My money's on the Bulls in that kind of environment
So *Lebron* played with 7 all stars and four top 75 players and lost six NBA finals. *Jordan* played with only one all star and only two top 75 player and never lost an NBA final...🤔
honestly at this point im so done with this debate that i dont even engage in it anymore. I personally think MJ was so much better than LeBron that it's actually a waste of time trying to debate it.
I always say, if LeBron dominated his opposition and has been "dominating the NBA" why did he get swept twice in the finals and was not even competitive in those finals and why has he never been able to do a 3 peat? Granted when he came back from being 1 loss away from being eliminated from the finals and came back to win 3 games in a row to win the championship, that was amazing. I have always said LeBron is an amazing player and might be one of the greatest players the NBA has ever seen but he is not the GOAT. What's wrong with being the second greatest player in the NBA ever? I don't see anything wrong with it. You don't see Magic or Bird crying that they were better than Jordan or calling themselves the greatest. Lebron has played 20 years and won 4 championships, Kobe had 5 in 20 years as well I think but Jordan had 6 in 13 years and if you want to count the Wizards years (he only came back cause the wizards were horrible and wanted to show the young team how to win) we can so that's 6 in 15 with 2, 3 peats. Kobe also has a 3 peat. LeBron stacks his teams and can even win back to back championships unless he had Wade and Bosh. There is no comparison. Jordan never shied away from going to the free throw line with the game on the line and never rested on defense. LeBron is great but has many holes in his game. He used to be a great defender but that part of his game has declined. Just because LeBron is not the GOAT it does not take away from his accomplishments or how great he has been as a player. Saying Jordan was better than him does not automatically make LeBron crap. He just isn't the GOAT and that's fine but LeBron fans can't accept that.
I hate hypotheticals, but think about it. If MJ and Bron were in the exact same timeline and played together either against or as teammates regardless of any era, you can guarantee MJ will always outshine Bron and would always be the face of the league 10 out of 10 times. I don't wanna hear it. End of story
Here's a fact all the media such as Nick Wright praised saying this was the best Team LeBron has ever had with Derrick Rose and Dwayne Wade. But then had to scrap that entire Team before the trade deadline! 🤣 Why is it this man gets praised when his team's are winning but when he's losing it's everyone else's fault? SMFH
MAN!!!! I keep telling people about that team!!! What made it worse is when they traded all thise guys for younger guys, the media swore he would be better with those younger guys. Just for them to all play lesser also. I will never forget. They interviewed Steph and asked him how he felt about LBJ being under manned. Steph corrected by saying they have great players also and not to diminish them.
That team was actually very deep but very old and lacked atheletism which is why they struggled early but fans were ecstatic and felt it was enough to beat Warriors
@@andrewmauney3082 how much does a super star need? Love was giving him 20 and 11. Rose just came from.avg 18, Wade came from 19, Thompson was a double double, JR was a spark plug. Their bench was legit a starting line up.
The competitive nature Jordan had, it’s insane to even consider Jordan wouldn’t have dominated any team. The league now is softer, no hand checking, the lanes are wide open and it’s pure one on one basketball. Jordan would have dominated and beat golden state easily.
“Cavs don’t practice” 2018 Isaiah Thomas a Cavs player. Traded 12 players, but basketball IQ is so overrated, work ethic is so overrated, the leader isn’t making his teams practice at the speed of real games, because they see their best player doing it, which is what Jordan was doing since at least year 2, according to hall of fame teammate George Iceman Gervin.
MJ did not chase stats to create false narratives or positive illustrations about his greatness how “bad” his team was like LeBron James has been doing for years. I am certain that the Jordan 2nd 3-peat team would have beaten the 2018 warriors in 5 or 6 games.
MJ is obviously the goat but the 2018 warriors literally had 2 MVPs and a total of 4 all stars that's like cheating not even MJ would won that team, not with only Pippen and past prime rodman
@@MisterKnowItAll3 not necessarily. It depends on what kinda rules they're playing under. 90's rules, 2018 Warriors don't get the offensive freedom that they enjoy in today's game. If it's a tough, grind-fest, 80-90 point games I'm taking the Bulls.
LBJ fans all try to rewrite history! I had one tell me that Kerr was greatest shooter of all time😂😂😂 and said Ray couldn’t see him. I almost slapped the piss out of hik
No disrespect to Kerr but they talk as if that man was an all star. Man was a career bench player averaging 6 ppg. The fact they gotta use him to show how much help Jordan had is telling
@@andrewmauney3082 that all star is fake, all stars selections are a overrated meaningless joke, Yao Ming was all star the year he played literally 5 games.
Back when MJ played, the entire family gathered around the TV to watch him play, it was an event, there will never be anything like him, he was a winner, and he WON. Lebron is nowhere near MJ.
@@craig2069 correct!! Oh but still has more chips and final MVPs and regular season MVP's than Bron lol. You left that part out so I wanted to help you out 😁
I love how much people praise 2018 lebron even though he got swept in the finals! Again, he did all this against the weak east and lost in 4 games in the finals. I dont care what anyone says, I'd take kobes 2009 and 2010 playoff runs where he averaged 30 pts 5 reb 6 assists against the tough west over 2018 lebron.
@Craig I mean, this era there is absolutely no defense and several international nba players have said how easy it is to score in the nba compared to overseas. So I guess jordan averaging 30 in the 90s is more impressive...you know..where they actually played physical defense.
@@nicholashackie1407 probably one of the worst takes I’ve ever seen. The offense now is so much higher than it was a few decades ago. Defense is played but offense is just so much better. And pushing someone mid air and punching them is not defense
@Craig the offense is higher because they don't allow players to play physical on defense. The lanes are way more open and 3s are shot more often. And you are saying this has nothing to do with the play being less physical? Interesting.
@@craig2069 Offense now is shit, only 3 pointers, where did you see a good defender, if you touch the player it's a fault, you can do 3-4-5 steps before shooting, the rule is 2 steps, when the referees call a travel they are all surprise like they don't know the rule even for the first step, sometimes they start the dribble at the 3 or 4 steps, ridiculous and you say offense is better, do you know that luka wasn't a big scorer in europe ? Surprise, it's so simple to score in nba even for a guy like him.
LeBron wants to do everything on the court so he can pad his stats. MJ would allow guys to play their proper roles. They’d run a real team system instead of the LeBron system which is everybody stand at the 3 point line & wait for a drive & kick pass from LeBron. No coincidence LeBron had his most success in Miami when they actually ran a real team system
Lebron for his career is shooting only 37% outside of 3 feet from the basket and in the playoffs that goes down to 31%. I've yet to have one single Lebron fan respond to this statistic. To me it completely destroys any argument anybody could make for Lebron supposedly being better. He's damn near like Wilt or Shaq. He has literally zero midrange game. If you combine that and how much better Jordan was defensively plus closing out games it's not even a contest.
Who cares? Lebron shoots over 50 percent every year. I could care less if Lebron scores all his points in the paint instead of the perimeter, bottom line is nobody can stop Lebron from scoring.
@@jaydot4956 No, the bottom line is he has a massive weakness in his game and that's scoring from 4 feet through the 3 pt. line. He has NO midrange game whatsoever and that's where Jordan was the best in history. Jordan had ZERO weaknesses whatsoever. He was the best offensive player in history and arguably the best defensively. He was SIGNIFICANTLY better on defense than Lebron. You combine that with Lebron's massive failures in the finals and it's just game over. He was outscored by Jason Terry in the finals against Dallas!! LMAO
That guy has some revisionist history for Michael Jordan's six championships because he won both three peats with completely different rosters! Only Scottie pippen was on the original three-peat but people gloss over that the same way they gloss over Jordan hitting six threes in game 1 of the 92 finals. I mean the guy hit a record number of three-pointers in the first half of that game and yet people will not take him at his word when he says he chooses to not be a good three-point shooter. They act like he just couldn't see the basket from three, completely ignoring how the game was played and the fact that the man himself said he prefers not to shoot the three! I think Jordan still holds the record for most three-pointers in a half of a finals game and yet people claim he couldn't shoot from long distance... I think if Jordan played at the same time as Steph Curry you wouldn't even know who Steph Curry is or he wouldn't be highly talked about. I say this with no disrespect but Steph Curry would have been relegated to like Damian Lillard John Wall status as a great player but just not on Michael Jordan's level and I'm speaking as a three-point sniper because Michael Jordan would have mastered the three-point shot!
he’s going to break the scoring record this year but the Lakers aren’t going to win a title…get over it and stop looking for new narratives to try and hype him up
It really don't matter. Remove the triangle offense and then what do you have? Remove Phil Jackson, and what do you have? Phil Jackson is the REAL MVP. Lebron was making the finals with bums and inexperienced non Hall of Fame coaches. Jordan NEVER won w/o Phil at the helm. Period. And btw, neither did Shaq or Kobe.
Jordan is easily the GOAT. Jordan is the way better player on Offense. Also, lebon lovers conveniently leave out half the of the game = DEFENSE! Wonder why...? What is the saying? DEFENSE wins Championships. Maybe that is why lebron has lost more finals than he's won, even with all those Star teammates. He should have given up some of his Stats and made a better effort on Defense! But... he loves Stats too much.
Dude is trying to say that the Cavs in 1990 were better than the 00s and 10s Spurs or the 2015-2018 warriors. You're really hurting the game of basketball.
Jordan averaged 35/6.6/6.7/2.3/1 on 51/35/83 for 9 straight years in the playoffs lol. Jordan was better for 9 years than LeBron was in his single best playoff run lol
@craig2069 Yes but those stats still happened. Just like LeBron's stats from 2018 still happened when he was swept against the Warriors lol. Lebron had a 22 game stretch of averaging 34/9/9/1.4/1 with 4.3 TOV on 54/34/75, that's really good!! Michael Jordan had a 111 game stretch where he averaged 35/7/7/2.3/1 with 3.3 TOV on 51/35/83, that's incredible.
Lebron’s single best playoff run was in 09, where he averaged 35/9/7/2/1 with 2.7 TOV on 51/33/75 splits. His advanced stats were 37.4 PER, 4.8 WS, .400 WS/48, 17.5 BPM!! Jordan never had a single playoff run as good as this, let alone a 9 year stretch.
@gggyy7104 Cool, 35/9/7/1.6/0.9 on 51 percent for 14 games, thats fourteen games lol. How about 35/7/7/2.3/1 on 51 percent for 111 games? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. GUARANTEED you can find multiple 14 game stretches within that that are better than LeBron'a 14 game stretch in 09. In fact, I did the due diligence for you: April 28th 1989-May 27th 1989: 37.0/7.9/7.8/2.6/0.9 on 52 percent April 27th 1990 - May 28th 1990 37.6/6.9/7.0/3.1/1 on 52 percent.
@@Youngster543210 Yes, it’s 14 games but you said Jordan was better for 9 years than Lebron was in his single best playoff run. Well I just gave you a playoff run that was better than Jordan’s 9 years so you’re wrong there.
Jordan was built for this era. Without him though, this era doesn't exist. The league doesn't change the rules to make it easier for the "Air Apparent" to show up. Maybe this era was inevitable but it 100% would probably be a generation later at the very least without MJ.
@@BlessedOne686 i think he may be even lower, lebron is the biggest stat padder and hero wannabe of all time, he pushes his teammates to grab rebounds and lets the opposite team drive to the basket alone to get his highlight block, if it fails it gives the opposite team 2 free points cause lebron wanted to, all of his points are meaningless, 2022 season he scored the emptiest 30 points of all time, not even reached play in, he stays in the final minutes of every lost game only to score his 30 points, i remember one time in the 4th quarter he scored a three at the buzzer of a blowout lost game only because he has 27 and wanted 30 points, His points are a joke and an insult to the game of basketball you won't see an all time great like doing that. Another thing is he needs 2-3 all stars to win rings, people praise lebron for going to the finals many many times but most of them were because he had the easiest path with the Easter conference, in 2007 he did not have any competition and still he gets too much credit, 2019 missed playoffs 2021 first round exit 2022 not even play in but nobody talks about it, it took another MVP level player to came and win in 2020 but nobody cares, he always needs 2-3 all stars and even with that he doesn't score the most important shots, 2013 ray Allen shot and Chris Bosh rebound saved lebrons legacy 2016 lebron faced injured and suspended players in GSW and still it took kyire to hit the most important three once again lebron watching, he doesn't even have a single shot like the one Jordan scored in 1998, In fact the biggest difference between Jordan and lebron is lebron does whatever it takes to be the hero and Jordan does whatever it takes to win, he doesn't try to be the hero. A great example of that is the 1997 finals, he had the ball to hit the game winner and instead of shooting a contested shot he drew defensive attention and passed the ball to Steve Kerr to hit the game winner leaving him wide open from midrange, he obviously scored due to Jordans assist and they won cause Jordan did the right play instead of trying to be the hero, the game winner of Paxton in 1992 was out of a Jordan play too, Jordan scores the game winner if it's needed and he makes his teammates score game winners if it's needed, lebron doesn't do that. In 2013 when he had the ball to hit the game winner he threw a contested brick against TWO defenders instead of passing, if Bosh didn't grabbed the rebound to pass it to Allen they would have lost 2013 ring due to lebrons ego like they already did in 2011, if he let wade be wade they would have won 2011 easily. In my opinion if Bosh was in 2011 heat and lebron was still in cavaliers the heat would have won 2011 ring, cause all wade needed was another all star caliber player to win, after Shaq declined he couldn't win. So yeah, that's the main reasons why lebron is overrated and not even close to be top 2 all time, am i forgetting more reasons? Maybe. But how many superstars can you name that lost rings cause of their ego? Cause the only one I can think of besides lebron is Kobe.
It's crazy how the media/Klutch's narrative pushing and making fun of MJ's 1-9 while it supposed to be counted as 0-3. While glorifying LeBron's losses who is 4/6 were "better" than Kareem's 6/4 🤔 Kareem held the #1 scoring for couple of decades but never been considered as the GOAT beside MJ. But then Bron is close to be #1 in scoring suddenly considered as the "GOAT" while being less successful and on the losing side of history 🤔 so sports is not about winning anymore? Bronstitutes are jealous of the MVP award named after MJ, NBA should have Finals 2nd place award and name it after Bron coz he have 6 of those.
His fan love to bring up how he has little to no help but how can you use that excuse when Lebron has lost multiple times as a favorite to win the series? That means your roster is better than the other team 😂. 2011 for example he had everything his fan cried he didn’t have and he failed miserably. He got his 2nd and 3rd star. Great coach in Spoelstra ( who Bron tried to get fired and u wonder why he never had a HOF coach) and a HOF GM in Pat Riley who is also a HOF coach and could give Spo some strategy and ideas to help the team. All the and you lose 😂😂😂😂 not only that but you didn’t show up. 17 ppg 4 turnovers a game with all that but you’re the goat. 😂😂😂😂
@Uncut hoops man thanks for your videos. That one dude always gets loud and nobody on the panel challenges him. The panel doesn't seem to even know basketball. That one LeBron fam actually seems to think that him getting loud and dominating the conversation makes him right. I wish you could be on that panel.
Nobody was better at their peak than Jordan. He's one of 4 players to have at least one season averaging 30, 8, and 8. LeFraud never had such a season.
no one wants to bring up how weak the east was for lebron?? literally a walk in the park for lebron and MJ went up agaist the strongest eastern conference ever but somehow lebron has a championship series record of 4-6 and out of the games played in those series he is 22-33...... Jordan is 6-0 and 24-11...... so explain how - "lebron is soooo dominate"
It's hard to believe that Jordan still holds the record for most points in a playoff run considering how easy it is to score in the league now and how many 3s they b shooting. That's pretty impressive... says alot about how good this guy really was
And these guys are shooting 8 threes a game!!
FR. Maybe it has something to do with pressure from being eliminated and being blamed for it. Like what happened to houston's 0-26ish 3s.
You're 100% right!!!!!
Facts
Exactly. He forgot to address that in the video, offensive stats were way harder to come by in those days
Anybody who thinks Lebron's peak was better than Jordan's needs to put that pipe down!! Lol Anyone who was old enough to watch Jordan, saw greatness and it's why he was the best player in the NBA for so many years winning 3 championships in a row!! Jordan's peak was from 85 to 93. And even when Jordan wasn't winning championships he was still dominating the league. And that's when Pippen hadn't developed into the all star player he was yet, Jordan still dragged them to the playoffs, semifinals and conference game in the late 80s. And those were the years where Jordan put up his best numbers. It took Lebron 15 seasons to do what Jordan did in 9 when you compare their averages.
I'm old enough to have seen the og Michael Jordan and that would be DR. J. The doctor ran all over the American Basketball League the league for Black folks because a nigga wasn't welcome in the NBA. If you'd add together Julius Erving's ABA scoring with his NBA scoring he's probably somewhere near the top players numbers of the NBA. Anyway, back to MJ Jordan could and would score incredibly well for the Bulls but they seemed to find ways to lose anyway. Six, seven years Michael would shoot the hell out of the basket--and they'd lose. In fact, what the Lakers have provided for Lebron these last few years looks very much like the scrub teams put together around Lebron. This old planet spinnin' round, tells us somethin'. Tells us the forces of a circle as it spins around till it gets back to where it started. Lebron turned around a Cleveland team immediately. Oh they weren't good enough to win it all but they were a threat to go all the way because they had Lebron. Jordan's teams sucked initially until they put some really good teammates around him, and when they finally did Michael won. There's that circular thing again but hey, could be um talkin' sum straight bs! Lol
@@thepublishingpoet8435 That was an incredible amount of baloney right there.. 😅 just FYI Jordan never lost 3 gAmes in a row from 90-98.. and also Lebron missed the playoffs his first two years while the Proper Rookie of the year of 04 was 2 years in at a tougher conference 😂 you lebron fans are something else 😅
It’s incredibly Hilarious that you equate Lebrons rookie cavs of his first two years as the same talent pool he has had with the Lakers..
Time to hang it up my guy lol
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@@thepublishingpoet8435 you’re so delusional 😂
ImaGine if MJ could take 3 steps everytime he drove the ball🤯now THAT would of been a siGht to see
@1:31
The championship that he won in Cleveland I didn’t see him taking the winning shot Steph Curry’s face I saw Kyrie Irving hit the game-winning shot not LeBron
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😂well thank God he could fly 😅
The difference to me is Bron was impressive during his prime, but MJ was DOMINANT. It’s not the same
Mj didn’t have to play through the greatest team of all time 2017 and 2018 warriors
That’s not the greatest team because they shoot 3s mostly get real
@@garymayfield375 that team literally had 4 HOFs bruh stop it
@@dolo6474 no whataboutizims here sir. No excuses for LeBron’s finals record. You folks are trash man 😂😂
@@dolo6474 he played against celtics and showtime lakers and detroit pistons
You can't ever convince me that someone with a 4 and 6 record is the best at anything LoL 😆😆😆🤦🏾♂️
If he plays for another 20 years he might be😂
When 5 of the 6 losses are to teams far superior to the teams Jordan faced (most overmatched and 3 of which only had one Hall of Fame player on their roster). Portland, Seattle, Phoenix? 🤣🤣🤣
@@bgood4449 🤣🤣🤣
Hey bro I know Jordan is the GOAT, but for me, I give Bron passes for 07, and the last 2 vs GSW. His teams rlly weren’t stacking up to their Finals competition. So Bron to me is 4-4 in the Finals. Better, but not amazing. Is that valid?
@@bgood4449 try convincing yourself about that all you want buddy
I never hear people mention that Jordan won 2 championships without a single other all-star on his team. Yet people say lebron carries his teams, it's so annoying, he does not carry his teams
having no other literal all star does not mean you don't have people that aren't all star caliber and rodman was. theres a reason he's in the hall of fame. Jordan had way more help then LeBron on individual teams and he faced easier teams. expecting LeBron's 50+ wins teams to beat a 73-9 warriors is laughable but when Jordans 72-10 bulls beats a 60 win team I'm supposed to be impressed which makes no sense considering he's carrying nobody. none of Jordan's wins were impressive and he had all the help in the world. If Lebron had that help he would have at least 8 rings. Just Imagine if Lebron was with the heat for his whole career but you also add amazing bench depth.
They don’t remember that Chris Bosh was an all star and could have easily made it to the hof if he was never injured and Dwayne wade will be a hof induction. Then he had Kyrie and Kevin love who were also both all star before lebron showed up. The with the lakers he had AD who was an MVP Westbrook who was an MVP. Like he always had crazy talent needed to win
@@kennethgodwin2461 This is the biggest, most Lebron fan cap, I've seen. Lebron would have 1 ring if he stayed with the Cavs the entire time. Lebron has literally had more help than Jordan throughout his entire career. Jordan won 3 in a row with a developing Pippen... and Horace Grant. If Lebron was on the 87 bulls and was told "Hey Lebron, don't worry, we've got a 5th seed draft in Pippen, a 10th seed draft in Horace grant, and a rookie coach in Phil Jackson... lets go win some chips" he would have been flying out scouting for an already top 75 player to ride his coattails. Instead Lebron lost 9 years in a row, and decided that he had to go try to make a super team... which he did... and he should have won 4 in a row with that team. Early 2010s were literally free taking and weak as hell. Imagine thinking Jordan winning 3 in a row with nobodies at the time (yes, Pippen was a nobody at THAT time), never going to a game 7, never losing after Pippen reached a level where Jordan actually had a 2nd player helping him.. is less impressive. Do you really think that building up your franchise to dominate a league for years, is less impressive than flying around the country, grasping at straws to build teams to win, then bailing once it's not working anymore?
When Rodman came to the Bulls, they traded Will Perdue for a 35 year old Dennis Rodman. That was AFTER they won 3 in a row mind you. By the sounds of it, you probably never watched much 80s or 90s ball, and you have no idea who Will Perdue is.. most people don't. That shows how "valued" a 35 year old Rodman was at the time. Jordan retires for 17 or 18 months, they get Rodman who's partying, doesn't really want to take shit seriously.. and then they win another 3 in a row.
If you want to play the hypothetical game with "Lebron would have 8 rings".. which he wouldn't, he's 4-6 when the East was insanely weak for a decade, and he'd get bodied by the West... and then when he formed his super team he won 2 and lost to the 2nd oldest team ever. Imagine if Jordan's dad didn't get murdered, and Krause didn't want to split everyone up. Jordan would have an ACTUAL 8, or 9. Hypothetical's are fun because even with Lebron being able to jump from superstar to superstar, he's still 40% in the finals, and gets outplayed by nobody players.
@@someoldheadtakes Chris Bosh is an HOF and kyrie and Kevin love were all stars with him. Westbrook ain't an MVP player anymore tho
@@kennethgodwin2461 LeBron has definitely had more help. Antwan Jamison, mo Williams, Wade, Bosh, Kevin love, kyrie, and AD were all all star or superstar players that LeBron has played with. Jordan had pippen, rodman, and Horace grant who didn't make an all-star team with him but I'll include him. Don't even bring up depth cuz Jordan has had some bums in his starting lineup on championship teams. And u bring up if LeBron had stayed with the heat? He one 2 out of the 4 years he was with them, don't act like he was dominating the league. If Jordan had prime pippen his whole career tho knows how many rings he wouldve won, considering they won 6/6 years while pippen was in his prime, excluding 1995
Let me repeat something tried and true as a Buffalo Bills fan since birth.
"Boy I love Losing Superbowls"
Nobody reveres the Bills for losing all our superbowl appearances. Some people might not even remember the great players we had on our team Jim Kelly, Thurman Thomas, Bruce Smith etc.. I DO! But it doesn't matter. Because we didn't win. I'm tired of people counting showing up to be the first loser as an accomplishment. You don't remember the person who finished second in every race. You don't win silver. You lose to gold.
I grew up in the Bay Area in CA, and I also remember Cornelius Bennett, Darryl Talley, and big-head Don Beebe. I’d never disrespect that team! Man, they had a helluva run with some of the best players ever to put pads on IMO. However, I understand your point. But your team was FIRE back then and no one can dispute that. p.s. stay safe in that crazy storm. 💯
@@CassiusClizzle Thanks dood and i know the Bills were great, it's because of that reason weak excuses to make Lebron sound better really get on my nerves. It's not that he's not great, he is, but adding in his finals loses is a minus not a plus for him. Know how people say in post season your regular season record doesn't matter anymore, you start back at zero? Well I also add that if you get to the finals what you did to get there doesn't matter if you don't win. That's why we have tournament finals, everything leading up to it was building up to final test narrowing the field over and over until two teams stand and if you lose, well you know. Anyways -You stay safe out there too brother.
I thought it was Boy I Love Losing Superbowls... that's bills
@@revelation67 something like that I forgot lemme fix it
I'll never forget those teams. Football is a totally different sport and to do something like what Buffalo did is still amazing. I don't care that they lost, and I'm a Giants fan.
MJ doesn’t even know what a finals games 7 is! Never let anyone make it to 7
Bron be 2-8 without that
It tickles me even the haters they know Jordan was the greatest
no other sports fan base would be as proud about getting swept in the finals..
Getting swept is one thing. But for it to happen twice while looking like straight trash is on the queen's "broad shoulders". He never had the "It" factor and he has no clutch bone in his body.
@@mpound97 Bron averaged 34 ppg, 9 rpg, and 10 apg on 53% fg, 33% 3pt, 85% ft splits in 2018 finals. How is that playing like trash?
Damn even A.I. got 1 against the Shaq/Kobe Lakers
@@dominiquejones3805 it was only a prime Shaq, Kobe wasn't in his prime yet. The 2017 Warriors had a prime steph who was fresh of 2 back to back mvps one of the being unanimous, Draymond who won a Defensive player in 2017, Klay who made the all star team in 2017 and also made all nba 3rd team the year before, and a Prime KD who was fresh off an all star team and 2nd team all NBA selection. That Lakers team had a great duo, but that Warriors team had an All star starting five who were all in the primes outside of Kevon Looney
@@dwaynesingleton2987 he still couldn’t get it done and all y’all do is make excuses. Jordan legit had bums his first few years. Either Lebrons east comp was trash or LeBron isn’t a leader lol it’s one or the other
MJ peaked two times, both were greater than any 1 moment in Lebrons career
PERIOD
He always peaked, especially when trash talked. But james is just another good player. Not Jordans talent
Please go on the players choice panel and talk this foolish to the panel. Grow a pair and be a man than.
He definitely did.
Lol! We just dont know his peak. His athleticism vs his IQ. Hehehe. His fade away shooting.
JORDAN never seen a game 7 lebron struggled with overtimes & buzzer shots cause it was difficult for him to put teams away... its so disrespectful to compare lebron to mike💯
Jordan went to 3 game 7’s…But Lebron fans are the ones that lie right?
@@gggyy7104 he is talking about Game 7 in the FINALS. You're smarter than that! WINNING IN THE FINALS is the only that counts!
@@drchrisheidelberg No he wasn’t…finals were never mentioned ONCE in his comment. But now that he’s been called out, he’s gonna change and say he was talking about the finals
@@gggyy7104 Sit down and take the L, Lebron aint had no peak. In a weak eastern conference, Lebron had more help, MJ peaked on the playoffs and not seein a game 7
@@vincebautista4849 Stick to tennis
Keep going. Your videos are the only voice of truth in a world where the media makes up random meaningless stats and narratives to keep Lebron relevant.
Skill issue ratio LeBron is better than jorgambler
Goofy
He was so different than anybody that he got swept again
Yeah jordan was getting owned so badly he needed a sueprteam because he wasn’t that guy to lead a team
@@craig2069 what superteam?
@@craig2069 what superteam?
@@craig2069 what superteam?
@@craig2069 what superteam?
Jordan continued to play at point guard until the end of the season. He averaged 30.4 points, 10.7 assists, 9.2 rebounds, and 2.4 steals in 39.8 minutes over 24 games. 1988 -89 season
I’m from Cleveland and still live in Cleveland. The truth is we over spent to please lebron cause we meaning cavs wanted to kill that narrative that we not making moves. We over pleased lebron and had the highest pay roll in nba history .
the highest payroll? did they ?
@@ricardolozano5356 yes. They did. That’s factual evidence. Smaller markets always over pay to get guys to stay. Especially when Klutch was representing a quarter of the roster
@@TeezyfolKKz I keep hearing the roster was trash like the cavs spent 20 dollars on it from some lebron fans
@@TeezyfolKKz thanks for the education
Highest payroll vs KD + gsw but the narrative was always “LeBrOn NeEdS mOrE HeLp”
Lord forbid if Jordan had real talent. How can we forget the great John Sally, the legendary bill wennington, the 4000 year old Robert chief Parrish . Who can forget Dickey Simpkins and the all mighty Jason Caffey. MJ literally carried his team. The thing I dislike most about Lebron fans are how bias and disingenuous they are, for the same reasons they praise Lebron for they try and criticize Jordan for the same thing. It was literally Jordan, even Pip wasnt always there he was injured or missing time and complaining about his contract and a bunch of average to below average role players
The great Dickey Simpkins was a legend!!
You know your stuff, those players you mentioned were bad, nice guys but not that good in basketball, as for pippen, correct again, he was not always dependable to carry the bulls, MJ had to play great ball in order for pippen to play at a high level, don't get me wrong I love what pippen did in 94, but Mj had to carry the team most of the time.
@@leonardocarretero1054 They had 1 good season under Pip, he folded under the pressure of leadership ship. Not dismissing his greatness but that wasn’t his role. The 94-95 season the bulls were barely a .500 team they lost to a 3-23 clippers team, I don’t think MJ gets enough credit for the leader he was and the other intangible things you can’t coach. I don’t see players with those qualities. MJ is forever ♾️ the goat 🐐 forget the stats the man made his team believe they were winners, great and champions you can’t coach that
I suppose he also carried the Bulls the year he after he retired where the team was 50+ wins and went DEEP in the playoffs..
Dave Corzine in Mikes early years was almost a Nikola Jokic caliber player.. we must never forget that
Bro! I think it's about time you joined some of these podcast and gave your 2cents too, whilst exposing lies
LeMickey will never be better than Jordan.
Jordan couldn’t win without injuries and a super team
@Craig 🤣🤣🤣 here we go wit the same ol shit
@@craig2069 lebron didn't win with super teams and that's facts, also there's no proof jordan couldn't win without a "super team"
FACTS!
@@craig2069lebron can’t win without dwade Kyrie and ad
This man tells it straight EVERY TIME WITH RECEIPTS!
I share your videos ALL the time and get no responses or rebuttals
He won six championship in a row. He just left for two years and came back and won 3 more but they were all back to back. He never lost in the finals amazing
I mean technically, not fully accurate.
He returned and they lost to the Shaq/Penny Magic, but, he was the reason they made the playoffs despite missing over half the season.
He returned and lost to the magic, and probably would’ve lost 1/2 finals to hakeem if he played in 94, and played the full 95 season (assuming he makes it to the finals in 95 because he wouldn’t of been rusty if he never played baseball)
@@midnytemassacre he played 19 gamers
my man this channel is a national treasure 💰
A major part of LeBron's legacy is team-hopping and reconstructing rosters. Jordan never would have been in that situation because he built a dynasty in Chicago and had no need to "escape" like LeBron.
I got to clear this up. If Michael Jordan has time to practice and train his team they are going to play way better than LeBron James teams. They don't have to be great on offense, they do got to be great on defense. Michael Jordan beating them all, if he has guys that can play defense. I don't believe in hypothetical. I believe in how a player performs, and Michael Jordan don't give up, like LeBron James does.
I’m glad I was around to watch MJ….his numbers are almost unbelievable so I don’t blame Lebron fans lol..
But you have to come to terms at some point or another
They never will because it’s based on feelings over facts.
@@Ues2DC well. objectively no.
If you think about it… it took Jordan less time to do what he did look up how many games Lebron played through his whole career he’s top 10… Jordan wasn’t even top 50 in games played just shows you who brought more to the table.. Jordan did what he did in less time that’s what makes him the goat
I'm tired of LBJ fans saying that him breaking the all time scoring record will make him the goat. If MJ never retired those two times before the official retirement, he would have the all time scoring record plus others that LBJ could never catch. MJ is just a much better player, period! With or without stats.
@@antwanwilliamsAkrimoneyAkiApac I totally agree
@@antwanwilliamsAkrimoneyAkiApac agreed. Stats aside, he was just a better player. LeBron is the most gifted physically, but Jordan is just better at basketball 🤷🏻
Yr 20, he still has 3 1/2 chips. How can he be?
In the 1986 / 87 season he avg 37.1 a game scored over 3000 points in a season and hit 12 3 pointers all year let that sink in when guys today are taking 10-15 3 pointers a game .
Just look at the mental gymnastics and “if” games Lebron and his fans have to go through just to try and put Lebron equal to or beyond MJ🤣🤣🤣
Those games only work one way, in favor of Lebron. The jealousy is epic. When you have to tear someone down to build yourself up, you are the loser. These games are only played by the side that cannot win on its own merit. So we have to play these games to soothe their egos. Case closed.
LeBron James got his stats from the padding he does when the game is already decided and people just look at the numbers and think he’s really great and dominant. The rebounds and assists as well as scoring averages didn’t really effect the game results during the LeBron playoff run consistently because his teammates often played better than they got credit for every year.
Not in 2018... 2 game 7.
This is one of the most ignorant comments on this entire video.
King James 👑
@@bravobessa3684 Yeah, Lebron is great at times, but not the best. He is so inconsistent. 2 game 7, and?
@@billychen3349 the 18' cav are not great... they were not better than the Celtics for example. They only won because of Lebron. And nobody beats those healthy KD Warriors team not even 96 Buills
Wouldn’t say that MJ does everything better than Bron but what MJ does is so great that it doesn’t even matter at the end of the day.
MJ averaging 35ppg in the playoffs in the 90s is the equivalent of averaging 45ppg in todays playoffs.
Hell no. You don't know ball lil bro.
@@lntestine the hell i dont lol
Im 40 and grew up watching basketball since the age of 8. In the nineties scoring was alot different. If u averaged 15 you were an all-star caliber player. Pace was alot slower. The game was geared more toward defense. Jordan would go crazy in todays game. There is not bigs like then to stop him from finishing. No one could stay in front of him. Hes too fast and can jump too high. Hes too acrobatic. Plus the mindset of jordan is going to get him to adjust to todays game. He would dominate and average wilt type of numbers.
@@zoominnboomin Rudy Gobert and Giannis would have a field day with Jordan lol, he'd be good, but not that good. Stop glazing.
@@lntestine They wouldn't be able to stop MJ from scoring lol
@@mindeyethemasterscreen2712 yes they would. He would be exactly like DeMar.
Man... I see Lebron's runs to the basket, and compare to the runs MJ did, it's not even close, Lebron seems a wacky parody of a ball player, Jordan on the other hand is smooth.
Right, like a cartoon character, flimsy azz hell🤣
If Jordan’s Father wasn’t murdered I don’t think he would’ve retired.
19 Seasons too
One thing for sure, Jordan would DEFINITELY be THANKFUL to JR Smith for getting that offensive rebound for the CHANCE to win it in OT and denying the warriors to win it during regular period.
Exactly, JR didn’t blow that game for the Cavs like these LeDicklicks want you to think, if anything he saved it. That whole sequence coulda been avoided had LBJ not bitched up when Curry was guarding him top of the key in crunch time
Thank you for covering this groupie
If LeBron was that great those bozos wouldn't need to overhype him and downplay Jordan based on nothing at every turn. This reeks of insecurity...
The gap between lebron being better than Jordan isn’t close
I’ve been saying this for years. The story line on why jordan ain’t the goat is unreal.
@@craig2069 Lebron isn’t better than Jordan’. Lebron is almost as good offensively but nowhere near a better player. Y’all always leave our defense, and efficiency.
Those turnovers Lebron have prove this fact. All those misses Lebron has prove it too.
Yea it’s always heavily detracting from Jordan to elevate Lebron all while minimizing Lebrons flaws. It’s all they have.
@@craig2069 he's got 6 Finals losses 2 of them sweeps 1 by choke
How does anyone even know whether or not jordan could get that 2018 cavs team to the finals? No one can honestly say yes or no.
But I will say this. Lebron was basically the focal point for that team and had the 34/9/9 run. Awesome! When jordan was the extreme focal point for the bulls in 1988, he had a 32/8/8 stat line for the season and 35/7/7.5 in those playoffs. Then he practically did it again the next season 37/7/7.
So how is it so easily concluded that MJ could not do what Lebron did in 2018?
The fact that LeBron James walked out of the conference finals when he knew they were going to lose speaks volumes. Comparing LeBron to Michael if that would've been Michael...Michael would will his team to win LeBron quits on his team and blames it on everyone else just like this current playoff run suggested if Lebron (with 3 All Stars mind you) really would've been better than Jordan he would NOT HAVE lost point blank.
Is also like to point out that, with D Rose injury, just about every player on Lebrons team had an abysmal season compared to any other years surrounding that time in 2018
One point that is ALWAYS avoided by LeFlop fans is, his points are made in a NO TOUCH defensive era. Jordan scored in a mugfest era! LeBron would be laughed off the court in Jordan's era as he flopped continually! In this powder puff era Jordan would AVERAGE 45-50.
Yep. Lebron fans are afraid to even talk about the defense of the league and Lebron himself.
The Bulls defense during their championship runs was much better than any team that the Warriors faced in their championship runs except the Spurs when Kawhi was healthy and the best 2-way player in the league by Jordan himself. The Bulls had size and gave more consistent and persistent effort than the teams today with 4 far better offensive players than anyone on the Cavaliers roster.
Agreed, but also because in those days you were allowed to actually play defense. If you're playing by 90's rules, the 2018 Warriors aren't nearly as potent. My money's on the Bulls in that kind of environment
This is a great video.
MJ is just a better player, period.
So *Lebron* played with 7 all stars and four top 75 players and lost six NBA finals.
*Jordan* played with only one all star and only two top 75 player and never lost an NBA final...🤔
honestly at this point im so done with this debate that i dont even engage in it anymore. I personally think MJ was so much better than LeBron that it's actually a waste of time trying to debate it.
It's a total waste and I don't engage too much either.
Lebron James 'fans' [and Lebron James] ALWAYS IGNORE 'defense'.
I always say, if LeBron dominated his opposition and has been "dominating the NBA" why did he get swept twice in the finals and was not even competitive in those finals and why has he never been able to do a 3 peat? Granted when he came back from being 1 loss away from being eliminated from the finals and came back to win 3 games in a row to win the championship, that was amazing. I have always said LeBron is an amazing player and might be one of the greatest players the NBA has ever seen but he is not the GOAT. What's wrong with being the second greatest player in the NBA ever? I don't see anything wrong with it. You don't see Magic or Bird crying that they were better than Jordan or calling themselves the greatest. Lebron has played 20 years and won 4 championships, Kobe had 5 in 20 years as well I think but Jordan had 6 in 13 years and if you want to count the Wizards years (he only came back cause the wizards were horrible and wanted to show the young team how to win) we can so that's 6 in 15 with 2, 3 peats. Kobe also has a 3 peat. LeBron stacks his teams and can even win back to back championships unless he had Wade and Bosh. There is no comparison. Jordan never shied away from going to the free throw line with the game on the line and never rested on defense. LeBron is great but has many holes in his game. He used to be a great defender but that part of his game has declined. Just because LeBron is not the GOAT it does not take away from his accomplishments or how great he has been as a player. Saying Jordan was better than him does not automatically make LeBron crap. He just isn't the GOAT and that's fine but LeBron fans can't accept that.
Bron Bron fans always trying to convince us how he's better than Jordan but always fall short when the facts come out.
I hate hypotheticals, but think about it. If MJ and Bron were in the exact same timeline and played together either against or as teammates regardless of any era, you can guarantee MJ will always outshine Bron and would always be the face of the league 10 out of 10 times. I don't wanna hear it. End of story
Here's a fact all the media such as Nick Wright praised saying this was the best Team LeBron has ever had with Derrick Rose and Dwayne Wade. But then had to scrap that entire Team before the trade deadline! 🤣
Why is it this man gets praised when his team's are winning but when he's losing it's everyone else's fault? SMFH
MAN!!!! I keep telling people about that team!!! What made it worse is when they traded all thise guys for younger guys, the media swore he would be better with those younger guys. Just for them to all play lesser also. I will never forget. They interviewed Steph and asked him how he felt about LBJ being under manned. Steph corrected by saying they have great players also and not to diminish them.
That team was actually very deep but very old and lacked atheletism which is why they struggled early but fans were ecstatic and felt it was enough to beat Warriors
@@andrewmauney3082 how much does a super star need? Love was giving him 20 and 11. Rose just came from.avg 18, Wade came from 19, Thompson was a double double, JR was a spark plug. Their bench was legit a starting line up.
MJ and Bird peak season's > Lebron.
Facts
Lebron would dominate that weak era they played in
@@craig2069 how? lol LeBron got his ass beat by an older Tim Duncan who actually got drafted in the late 90s lol
EXACTLY!
@@BaXiStA you mean when the chosen one became the frozen one?? Damn he was ice cold 🥶
The competitive nature Jordan had, it’s insane to even consider Jordan wouldn’t have dominated any team. The league now is softer, no hand checking, the lanes are wide open and it’s pure one on one basketball. Jordan would have dominated and beat golden state easily.
You mean is not was.....
@@codychavarria6088 right, I meant the league is softer now
“Cavs don’t practice” 2018 Isaiah Thomas a Cavs player. Traded 12 players, but basketball IQ is so overrated, work ethic is so overrated, the leader isn’t making his teams practice at the speed of real games, because they see their best player doing it, which is what Jordan was doing since at least year 2, according to hall of fame teammate George Iceman Gervin.
Jordan defense as a wizzard was better than Brons best defensive effort to date.
Someone needs to show this video to that dude!
How is he beat different and got swept in the finals? SWEPT!
But he did say Mj wouldnt have beat the warriors which is the most down to earth thing he’s ever said about that man by a mile 😂
Are people still yapping on about LeChoke and his penchant for getting swept in finals?!
MJ did not chase stats to create false narratives or positive illustrations about his greatness how “bad” his team was like LeBron James has been doing for years. I am certain that the Jordan 2nd 3-peat team would have beaten the 2018 warriors in 5 or 6 games.
MJ is obviously the goat but the 2018 warriors literally had 2 MVPs and a total of 4 all stars that's like cheating not even MJ would won that team, not with only Pippen and past prime rodman
@@MisterKnowItAll3 not necessarily. It depends on what kinda rules they're playing under. 90's rules, 2018 Warriors don't get the offensive freedom that they enjoy in today's game. If it's a tough, grind-fest, 80-90 point games I'm taking the Bulls.
@@MisterKnowItAll3 it was also cheating when lebron went to miami. So he basically got a taste of his owm medicine
@@robertwilson9528 and what does that have to do with anything?
@@seymourbutts563 it'll be easier if they olay in 90's rules but I don't think MJ and 1 all star can beat 2 MVPs and a total of 4 all stars.
Ticket stay cooking these guys..salute to him 💯
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Lebron uses his size to fight his way through.
Michael Jordan had a finesse that is lacking in Lebron.
MJ is the undisputed king of basketball
LBJ fans all try to rewrite history! I had one tell me that Kerr was greatest shooter of all time😂😂😂 and said Ray couldn’t see him. I almost slapped the piss out of hik
No disrespect to Kerr but they talk as if that man was an all star. Man was a career bench player averaging 6 ppg. The fact they gotta use him to show how much help Jordan had is telling
Fans act like LJ didn't have Kyle Korver whole also a great 3pt shooter as well and was an all-star unlike Kerr
@@andrewmauney3082 that all star is fake, all stars selections are a overrated meaningless joke, Yao Ming was all star the year he played literally 5 games.
@@andrewmauney3082 and korver is a better shooter than kerr
Back when MJ played, the entire family gathered around the TV to watch him play, it was an event, there will never be anything like him, he was a winner, and he WON. Lebron is nowhere near MJ.
I like this people who hype lebron up everytime he looses. Shannon-Wright-- and his fans, need to learn. LOOSING IS NOT GOOD.
Facts I hate when people say Jordan is the goat when he was getting swept and a first round exit
@@craig2069 correct!! Oh but still has more chips and final MVPs and regular season MVP's than Bron lol. You left that part out so I wanted to help you out 😁
@@craig2069 do you also hate that lebron couldn't even make the playoffs his first few years? 😂 dummy
@@craig2069 getting swept by the Celtics a much better team than LeBron ever faced before the finals
@@Sf75178 that Celtics team isn’t even better than the thunder, Warriors and Spurs team lebron faced in the finals
These guys must be delusional or they're getting paid by the system.
I love how much people praise 2018 lebron even though he got swept in the finals! Again, he did all this against the weak east and lost in 4 games in the finals. I dont care what anyone says, I'd take kobes 2009 and 2010 playoff runs where he averaged 30 pts 5 reb 6 assists against the tough west over 2018 lebron.
If lebrons competition was weak in the east I can’t imagine the argument jordan fans make for him playing in a era with no skill
@Craig I mean, this era there is absolutely no defense and several international nba players have said how easy it is to score in the nba compared to overseas. So I guess jordan averaging 30 in the 90s is more impressive...you know..where they actually played physical defense.
@@nicholashackie1407 probably one of the worst takes I’ve ever seen. The offense now is so much higher than it was a few decades ago. Defense is played but offense is just so much better. And pushing someone mid air and punching them is not defense
@Craig the offense is higher because they don't allow players to play physical on defense. The lanes are way more open and 3s are shot more often. And you are saying this has nothing to do with the play being less physical? Interesting.
@@craig2069 Offense now is shit, only 3 pointers, where did you see a good defender, if you touch the player it's a fault, you can do 3-4-5 steps before shooting, the rule is 2 steps, when the referees call a travel they are all surprise like they don't know the rule even for the first step, sometimes they start the dribble at the 3 or 4 steps, ridiculous and you say offense is better, do you know that luka wasn't a big scorer in europe ? Surprise, it's so simple to score in nba even for a guy like him.
Jumpman symbol says all you need to know and it belongs to the GOAT. Numbers never lie.
chill bro theyre gonna get mad about you correcting them again lol
He saying that is like me saying Lizzio prime is better than Beyonce prime. 😂😂😂😂😂
These Lebron lovers never seem to bring up defense...I wonder why that is?
There’s nobody in MJs era who was more difficult to guard than KD and curry
They'll use his age as an excuse for his lack of defense which is annoying bc its actually hurting team
@@craig2069 Jordan was. Shaq, Magic, Bird, Dream, etc...
lebron is a better defender
Uncut Hoops is the final boss in all basketball debates!! lol
Like Mike everyone wants to be like Mike.
LeBron wants to do everything on the court so he can pad his stats. MJ would allow guys to play their proper roles. They’d run a real team system instead of the LeBron system which is everybody stand at the 3 point line & wait for a drive & kick pass from LeBron. No coincidence LeBron had his most success in Miami when they actually ran a real team system
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Lebron for his career is shooting only 37% outside of 3 feet from the basket and in the playoffs that goes down to 31%. I've yet to have one single Lebron fan respond to this statistic. To me it completely destroys any argument anybody could make for Lebron supposedly being better. He's damn near like Wilt or Shaq. He has literally zero midrange game. If you combine that and how much better Jordan was defensively plus closing out games it's not even a contest.
Who cares? Lebron shoots over 50 percent every year. I could care less if Lebron scores all his points in the paint instead of the perimeter, bottom line is nobody can stop Lebron from scoring.
@@jaydot4956 who cares? His team cares since he shoots almost 10 threes a game
@@jaydot4956 No, the bottom line is he has a massive weakness in his game and that's scoring from 4 feet through the 3 pt. line. He has NO midrange game whatsoever and that's where Jordan was the best in history. Jordan had ZERO weaknesses whatsoever. He was the best offensive player in history and arguably the best defensively. He was SIGNIFICANTLY better on defense than Lebron. You combine that with Lebron's massive failures in the finals and it's just game over. He was outscored by Jason Terry in the finals against Dallas!! LMAO
@@jaydot4956 Who cares? Yeah you're a casual...
@@joeldriver3971 how is that considered a weakness when nobody can stop Lebron from scoring in the paint?
That guy has some revisionist history for Michael Jordan's six championships because he won both three peats with completely different rosters!
Only Scottie pippen was on the original three-peat but people gloss over that the same way they gloss over Jordan hitting six threes in game 1 of the 92 finals. I mean the guy hit a record number of three-pointers in the first half of that game and yet people will not take him at his word when he says he chooses to not be a good three-point shooter. They act like he just couldn't see the basket from three, completely ignoring how the game was played and the fact that the man himself said he prefers not to shoot the three!
I think Jordan still holds the record for most three-pointers in a half of a finals game and yet people claim he couldn't shoot from long distance... I think if Jordan played at the same time as Steph Curry you wouldn't even know who Steph Curry is or he wouldn't be highly talked about. I say this with no disrespect but Steph Curry would have been relegated to like Damian Lillard John Wall status as a great player but just not on Michael Jordan's level and I'm speaking as a three-point sniper because Michael Jordan would have mastered the three-point shot!
jordan would've said i got steph, lets see what they do now.
Jordan was getting outplayed by a plumber called drexler. He wouldn’t even survive in this era
@@craig2069Drexler was not a scrub unlike Jason Terry who outplayed Lebron
@@craig2069 you sound goofy.
@@starsportscardshobbiesandm7222 exactly.
@@starsportscardshobbiesandm7222fax can’t forget about j barea
Great video, well put together. That took a lot of work. Thank you.
he’s going to break the scoring record this year but the Lakers aren’t going to win a title…get over it and stop looking for new narratives to try and hype him up
Jordan couldn’t even accomplish what lebron did if he played just as much games
@@craig2069 bruh
It really don't matter. Remove the triangle offense and then what do you have? Remove Phil Jackson, and what do you have? Phil Jackson is the REAL MVP. Lebron was making the finals with bums and inexperienced non Hall of Fame coaches. Jordan NEVER won w/o Phil at the helm. Period. And btw, neither did Shaq or Kobe.
MJ is GOAT.
Jordan is easily the GOAT. Jordan is the way better player on Offense. Also, lebon lovers conveniently leave out half the of the game = DEFENSE! Wonder why...? What is the saying? DEFENSE wins Championships. Maybe that is why lebron has lost more finals than he's won, even with all those Star teammates. He should have given up some of his Stats and made a better effort on Defense! But... he loves Stats too much.
Michael needs to send invoices to people using his name for views and likes.
I saw him and I was like wtf bro misleading asl
Dude is trying to say that the Cavs in 1990 were better than the 00s and 10s Spurs or the 2015-2018 warriors. You're really hurting the game of basketball.
Jordan averaged 35/6.6/6.7/2.3/1 on 51/35/83 for 9 straight years in the playoffs lol. Jordan was better for 9 years than LeBron was in his single best playoff run lol
Is those 9 years straight also accounting those years jordan was swept in the 1st round?
@craig2069 Yes but those stats still happened. Just like LeBron's stats from 2018 still happened when he was swept against the Warriors lol.
Lebron had a 22 game stretch of averaging 34/9/9/1.4/1 with 4.3 TOV on 54/34/75, that's really good!!
Michael Jordan had a 111 game stretch where he averaged 35/7/7/2.3/1 with 3.3 TOV on 51/35/83, that's incredible.
Lebron’s single best playoff run was in 09, where he averaged 35/9/7/2/1 with 2.7 TOV on 51/33/75 splits. His advanced stats were 37.4 PER, 4.8 WS, .400 WS/48, 17.5 BPM!! Jordan never had a single playoff run as good as this, let alone a 9 year stretch.
@gggyy7104 Cool, 35/9/7/1.6/0.9 on 51 percent for 14 games, thats fourteen games lol.
How about 35/7/7/2.3/1 on 51 percent for 111 games? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. GUARANTEED you can find multiple 14 game stretches within that that are better than LeBron'a 14 game stretch in 09. In fact, I did the due diligence for you:
April 28th 1989-May 27th 1989:
37.0/7.9/7.8/2.6/0.9 on 52 percent
April 27th 1990 - May 28th 1990
37.6/6.9/7.0/3.1/1 on 52 percent.
@@Youngster543210 Yes, it’s 14 games but you said Jordan was better for 9 years than Lebron was in his single best playoff run. Well I just gave you a playoff run that was better than Jordan’s 9 years so you’re wrong there.
Jordan was built for this era. Without him though, this era doesn't exist. The league doesn't change the rules to make it easier for the "Air Apparent" to show up. Maybe this era was inevitable but it 100% would probably be a generation later at the very least without MJ.
Lebron is the most overrated NBA player of all time.
I wouldn't say that but he Is definitely top 3 you gotta have him in the top 2-3 all time.
@@brodyazadian19 top 5-6 for me
@@BlessedOne686 lebron is at 5 or 6 that's to low tell me all the players that are better than lebron.
@@BlessedOne686 i think he may be even lower, lebron is the biggest stat padder and hero wannabe of all time, he pushes his teammates to grab rebounds and lets the opposite team drive to the basket alone to get his highlight block, if it fails it gives the opposite team 2 free points cause lebron wanted to, all of his points are meaningless, 2022 season he scored the emptiest 30 points of all time, not even reached play in, he stays in the final minutes of every lost game only to score his 30 points, i remember one time in the 4th quarter he scored a three at the buzzer of a blowout lost game only because he has 27 and wanted 30 points, His points are a joke and an insult to the game of basketball you won't see an all time great like doing that. Another thing is he needs 2-3 all stars to win rings, people praise lebron for going to the finals many many times but most of them were because he had the easiest path with the Easter conference, in 2007 he did not have any competition and still he gets too much credit, 2019 missed playoffs 2021 first round exit 2022 not even play in but nobody talks about it, it took another MVP level player to came and win in 2020 but nobody cares, he always needs 2-3 all stars and even with that he doesn't score the most important shots, 2013 ray Allen shot and Chris Bosh rebound saved lebrons legacy 2016 lebron faced injured and suspended players in GSW and still it took kyire to hit the most important three once again lebron watching, he doesn't even have a single shot like the one Jordan scored in 1998, In fact the biggest difference between Jordan and lebron is lebron does whatever it takes to be the hero and Jordan does whatever it takes to win, he doesn't try to be the hero. A great example of that is the 1997 finals, he had the ball to hit the game winner and instead of shooting a contested shot he drew defensive attention and passed the ball to Steve Kerr to hit the game winner leaving him wide open from midrange, he obviously scored due to Jordans assist and they won cause Jordan did the right play instead of trying to be the hero, the game winner of Paxton in 1992 was out of a Jordan play too, Jordan scores the game winner if it's needed and he makes his teammates score game winners if it's needed, lebron doesn't do that. In 2013 when he had the ball to hit the game winner he threw a contested brick against TWO defenders instead of passing, if Bosh didn't grabbed the rebound to pass it to Allen they would have lost 2013 ring due to lebrons ego like they already did in 2011, if he let wade be wade they would have won 2011 easily. In my opinion if Bosh was in 2011 heat and lebron was still in cavaliers the heat would have won 2011 ring, cause all wade needed was another all star caliber player to win, after Shaq declined he couldn't win. So yeah, that's the main reasons why lebron is overrated and not even close to be top 2 all time, am i forgetting more reasons? Maybe. But how many superstars can you name that lost rings cause of their ego? Cause the only one I can think of besides lebron is Kobe.
It's crazy how the media/Klutch's narrative pushing and making fun of MJ's 1-9 while it supposed to be counted as 0-3. While glorifying LeBron's losses who is 4/6 were "better" than Kareem's 6/4 🤔 Kareem held the #1 scoring for couple of decades but never been considered as the GOAT beside MJ. But then Bron is close to be #1 in scoring suddenly considered as the "GOAT" while being less successful and on the losing side of history 🤔 so sports is not about winning anymore? Bronstitutes are jealous of the MVP award named after MJ, NBA should have Finals 2nd place award and name it after Bron coz he have 6 of those.
His fan love to bring up how he has little to no help but how can you use that excuse when Lebron has lost multiple times as a favorite to win the series? That means your roster is better than the other team 😂. 2011 for example he had everything his fan cried he didn’t have and he failed miserably. He got his 2nd and 3rd star. Great coach in Spoelstra ( who Bron tried to get fired and u wonder why he never had a HOF coach) and a HOF GM in Pat Riley who is also a HOF coach and could give Spo some strategy and ideas to help the team. All the and you lose 😂😂😂😂 not only that but you didn’t show up. 17 ppg 4 turnovers a game with all that but you’re the goat. 😂😂😂😂
Fans can no longer say Bron has never had a hof coach bc Spoelstra was named top 15 coach of all time so when he's done coaching he'll be there
He only did that one time, in 2011. Every other time he lost in the finals he had a worse team.
I agree Lebum peak at LOSING was definitely the greatest 🤣🤣🤣 MJ23 is UNTOUCHABLE as the GOAT and that will stand to until this planet perishes✊🏾💪🏾🖐🏾☝🏾
Old dude mad MJ beat his team
he's a mike fan and had him as the goat for the longest..
@Uncut hoops man thanks for your videos. That one dude always gets loud and nobody on the panel challenges him. The panel doesn't seem to even know basketball. That one LeBron fam actually seems to think that him getting loud and dominating the conversation makes him right. I wish you could be on that panel.
Thanks for exposing that fraud !!!!
This debate is nonsense, it’s not even a debate Jordan is just flat out better than Lebron not even close.
Ticket usually be having the dumbest takes 😂
Nobody was better at their peak than Jordan. He's one of 4 players to have at least one season averaging 30, 8, and 8. LeFraud never had such a season.
JORDAN COMPETITION WASN'T BETTER THAN LEBRON COMPETITION..NOT EVEN CLOSE..
no one wants to bring up how weak the east was for lebron?? literally a walk in the park for lebron and MJ went up agaist the strongest eastern conference ever but somehow lebron has a championship series record of 4-6 and out of the games played in those series he is 22-33...... Jordan is 6-0 and 24-11...... so explain how - "lebron is soooo dominate"
If MJ went pro after highschool and didn't opt to play baseball, and a averaged 25pts, he may have come close to scoring 50,000.
Saying LeBron better than Jordan is like saying Aaron Rodgers better than Tom Brady. And what's crazier. Is some people may say it. Lol