Tejas Rolling, negative G flying, sharp turn and quick accelerating with max G climb is much better than JF17. clearly visible JF17 has no chance with Tejas.
@@shahkhan5973 he kept it slow for a reason and intenionally....YOU NEEDTHAT Maneuverer IN DOG FIGHT. kabhi koi airfighter ka game kat bhi khela hai !?
@@ISyedZainUlAbideenEven in two circles speed, twr, engine thrust all of that matters and Tejas has higher TWR, thrust and speed than JF-17 so I really wouldn't bet on it.
First time didn't read the comments while watching the video. Both pilots showed amazing skills and performed exceptionally great. Kudos to all involved.
Yeah one day before the match their overseas coach gives them a detailed lecture on which side of the coin is called heads and which side of the coin is known as tails
Tejas is a pilot's dream plane, fast on the turns, bends and lightweight enough to dodge radars and out-manuveur any angle of attack. It can be used in numbers to deny any air superiority in air to air combat and with the help of AWACS it's as capable a plane as you want in a hostile zone. Lovely machine ❤
Those were French dude! Tejas is modernized Mirage 3. Indians hired French Engineers in 80s for 10 million each of 80s money. They brought their design. It has the same combat range (500km) and Fight time (1 hr) as Mirage 3. Same size, same design.
@@Blackbirdz2000😂😂😂 PROPAGANDA at its BEST Kota Harinarayana was chief Designer and engineer of HAL Tejas Are you really blind ? Look at Mirage 3, it has large air intakes above the wings as it was required for that RR engine Tejas has small intakes below its wings. And a better engine producing more thrust (85kN) It is far more maneuverable by design. It has higher payload capacity than Junk Fighter
"bleeds a lot of energy" how 1 would know, not a commercial car / bike, that alot of people have driven and 1 could ask, wats is fule avergae per mile ?
deltas r faster, thats how delta designs work. However, they are extremely poor in maneuverability. They cant turn, arnt much agile and nimble. And thats absolutely vital for any aircraft in modern warfare to dodge enemy AA/AD missiles....and even though the realistic chances of BFM r low, but if it happens, then this becomes absolutely vital. Turning and Burning is the name of the game!
@@Shreeshailbn more than half of those 40 Tejas you keep mentioning are prototypes and test vehicles not ready for any sort of combat. Why do you indians leave this part out.
Both are cool jets but i would say I noticed Tejas was not bleeding as much energy as JF17 was this gives Tejas a good advantage.. But both are good jets for sure... as tactics can matter in air and how you use them
Even though it’s a delta wing the FCS on the Tejas is very capable and it has the same kind of automatic slow flight protections as the Typhoon for example with automatic slat extension. The JF-17 by comparison is a relatively outdated and rudimentary affair made mostly out of stamped steel and riveted together, the early versions didn’t even have FBW in all axis so it’s a much more conventional machine reminiscent of the 20th century
In one circle fight yes in two circles Jeff is better plus this is block 2 blk 3 is already being inducted with more composites and fully digital FBW(in block 2 only 2 axis were digital)
Dude u really have no idea about the aeronautics right? Full Delta designs are notorious for bleeding energy while turning. They that due to the drag on those huge wings. Resulting in poor maneuverability aka turn and burn performance. Maintaining energy is the key advantage of JF17A's over this Tejas Series.
Let's conduct an air exercise between all light catagory fighter jets currently available, i.e. Tejas mk2, JF17 block 3, Saab Gripean, South Korean FA50, American F16 - not in DCS but actual combat like senareo . As a defence enthusiast egarly waiting for this 😊
F16/Gripen isn't Light Weight Fighter, its Medium Weight. Its the USAF who designates her as light which has more to do with their Hi/Lo mix. They Deploy F15/22 as High end fighters to give the main punch/blow to the enemy and F16/35 as low end to due the mopping job or deal with stragglers. Meaning that F15/22 act as bomb/BVR trucks and F16/35 as escorts. But as of a few years ago, they r now also building a new proper 4.5 gen light weight fighter (under 15K kg max payload). F16 (19,187 kg MTOW) is Rafale, J10, Mig29/35, EF2000, JAS 39 Gripen (16,500kg MTOW) etc. type Medium Weight Fighter (MWF). As for FA-50 its a LIFT fighter meaning fighter trainer. Proper LWF are Tejas Mk 1/1A and JF17 series. Tejas Mk-2 is said to be a MWF.
@pratimapatra541: Not much to compare. F16 blk 70+ wins the race. As far as Tejas Mk2 goes, it is on the drawing board, who knows how it will do. F16 is a combat veteran and is still the king of the skies.
Tejas is promising. In fact, it can give mirage 2000 a hard time. But i also love the French 🇫🇷 mirages. These are my favorite, Most capable of all platforms.
OUR LCA IS CLEARLY THE MORE FASTER AND VERSATILE AIRCRAFT. ALSO PERFECTLY COORDINATED PILOT SKILLS OF OUR LCA. SHOWS CLEAR SUPERIORITY. LCA IS A FAR BETTER FLYING PLATFORM. KUDOS TO ALL THOSE WHO DEVELOPED THIS AMAZING FLYING MACHINE
Fortunately, the reset button was installed when the aircraft was manufactured. More importantly, this time they are here for an air show, not for an emergency takeoff for a military battle.😂
This is the age of BVR combat and electronic warfare. An aerobatic performance at an air show is just that, entertainment. No country is going to reveal its true war-fighting capabilities and doctrines at such an event. Tejas and JF-17 are never going to come within dogfighting range of each other for gun engagement. This isn’t WW2 with fighters shooting guns at one another where maneuverability gave you an upper hand.
But maneuverability works best against escaping missiles you know . Just like the scene from top gun . More maneuverability = more chances of survival if flares run out.
That is what the US thought would happen, until their aircraft were being attacked by guns in Vietnam. Missiles cannot work at close range. Agility also matters while outturning missiles.
So people fighting here about JF 17 vs Tejas over just their own rival analysis. Let me clear this air. Both birds are great. 1. JF 17 is a low cost competitor to F 16 while Tejas is a low cost competitor of Mirage ✅️ 2. JF 17 has a strake based configuration trimmed delta wing which provides more aerodynamic agility based on payload penalty configuration. A multi role aircraft config ✅️ 3. Tejas is a delta wing bird which gives its more payload advantage compared to JF 17 but at a reduced aerodynamic agility offered by delta wing aircrafts.✅️
Tejas is half a generation ahead of Mirage2000. Mirage2000 are on the verge of retirement next decade, while Tejas is a new entry and would continue to serve for decades to come. "Low-cost COMPETITOR to Mirage" lol
As a matter of fact hadling at low speed is more difficult and often done in airshows too show low speed handling capabilities Jeff has better low speed handling capabilities while tejas is more agile
Tejas has better maneuverability than the other jet. It effortlessly spins due to its ride by wire tech. The pilot doesn't have to bother the jet and he just needs to point it, on where it is supposed to go. Wow INDIA 🇮🇳
What the pilot demonstrated does not necessarily equal the plane's capability. The capability may be more for either or both. Better not to judge from 10 minute clip.
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That ugly Indian fighter jet had a black screen as soon as it took off and climbed out on the first day of the performance, and it immediately made a blind landing. And missed the flight show the next day, hahahaha
Firstly dry weight of JF 17 is higher which makes its payload less 1000 kg from Tejas and there are no such fighter jet mounted missile in Pakistan arsenal which can cover 1200 km range of combat nor do they have a gps navigated missile .
@@HUNTEZMALIK No, it is not made by the Pakistan Air Force. The air force is not an aircraft manufacturer. Initially, the JF-17 was entirely built in China by the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation. Since 2009, the Chengdu Aircraft Corproration has built a substantial portion of the aircraft, and then shipped the partially-completed airframes to Pakistan for further assembly. That assembly process is conducted by the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex - NOT the air force.
Keep up the healthy competition, boys. As long as we manufacture our own equipment both our countries will save precious foreign exchange & generate employment to our own folk.
@@LH1xx anyone will say that and i know you don't know the name of the formations which is been showed by both jets because yeah madarsa fetish but let me tell u that tejas can go upto 8.5 g to -3.5 g and since it has delta wings so it is obviously more maneuverable than jf17
This quote refers to Republic of China's Indigenous Defense Fighter(F-CK 1 Ching Kuo), that plane is a F-16 derivative with Northrop's F-5 characteristics. That means both JF-17 and Indigenous Defense Fighter have superb energy retention while Delta wing designs can turn sharply and have better climb rate.
@@Wazir112smoking factory? See this Pakistani madarsachap knowledge 😂😂 tejas is carrying pods at both wings called the smoke pod. Inside it there are 2 compartments ...1 filled with oil and other filled with colorant. if you want color or without colorant. When the pilot opens one of the valves, the oil flows through a small pipe and exits... With the heat it immediately turns into gas and gives this thick smoke Jahil child 😂 Tejas had 5000+ flights till date and never crashed While your jf ... crashed many times ...most of the time they can't even fly due to crap quality 😂 Learn to research before you open your uneducated mouth
Both jets where good but jf17 pilot was struggling with jet and it's control and loosing it energy very quickly with each manuver.in same time Tejas was easily fliping and turning in high speed with out loosing it's energy.due to delta wing configuration or more high-tech flyby wire system with American engines..
dude! u do realize that full deltas cant turn right? those huge wings create a lot of drag and poor fuel mileage. Tejas Mk 1/1A's combat range is only 500 km and 1hr is flight time due to this very reason. And u add weapons on it and aspect ratio comes up which is 1:75. Resulting in Extremely poor maneuverability. Meaning, it cant turn and burn!
@@Blackbirdz2000Delta wings can't turn ?😂 Ask that to Rafale and Mirage 2000. Actually India has made it according to its needs. Nowadays high combat radius or flight time doesn't matter much !!! It is the AESA radar, advanced avionics and electronic warfare that matters Most dog fights don't last more than 10 minutes. For high combat radius we have Su30 with unmatched 3000kms combat radius.
@@ws-jw1tv”CHINA PROVIDES TECHNICAL GUIDANCE “ - China leading or guiding is like a person with impaired vision leading a blind 🤣🤣 Chinese items aren’t even worth their scrap metal value because it’s all tofu dreg engineering. Chinese or their items have no guarantee or warranty
Both seem to have pretty tame flight control systems like that if an F-15C. The Tejas jet definitely has tons of induced drag (for obvious reasons) as seen in the climb in the loop. The JF-17 seems to barely miss the F-16's rate and absolute chokehold turns. The F-16 flies the same turn with I'd guess 4 degrees of AOA less than that JF just did. Cool jets though
The most important thing is the electronic systems and radar which goes to JF-17 but the maneuvers goes to Tejas, you can't judge till you see real dogfighting between them, there is other factors that affect which is better also .
Unaku onnu theriadu Summa edho mozhi la edavadu pota ne enna avlo peria aala da Jf 17 oru udhavakaara Pakistan ku china kodukradha oti oota theridhae adhuvae peria vishayam dan Tejas epavume semma jet dan
The question really is how many each of the jets has been and will be produced and deployed. No matter how differently they appear in this air show clip of minutes, these two jets fall into the same category and generation, which means none of them will likely reach an overall exchange rate of bigger than 1:2 fighting each other in real battles. Ultimately what factually matters will only be the production capacities and deployment numbers of them.
It also depends on weapons it carries Tejas can use indian missiles like Astra mk1 and mk2. But it can also use Israeli meteor missiles. And Russian missiles too. And the most important the hypersonic Brahmos. But if we talk about numbers Indian airforce ranks 4th in the world after US, China and Russia. Currently IAF have 100 Tejas, and will order 97 more. IAF also have 250 SU 30, 69 mig 29, 50 Miraj 2000, and 50 mig 21. Tejas will replace Miraj and migs too.
@@AmirWaseem-gh1dvIndeed, Bramhos 1 is supersonic but Bramhos 2 in production is hypersonic. But it's still in production phrase. Shaurya is Hypersonic but it's Surface to surface missile.
Both aircraft is great in their own role but in my own opinion i like more of jf-17 in term of look alone it look beautiful. Dont get me wrong tejas is also good but for delta nothing can beat mirage or mig 21 in term of look alone.
I think the HAL Tejas is a more manoeuvrable aircraft and It always shocks me how it looks like someone put scaled down Vulcan bomber wings on a Mirage 2000 airframe. But the JF-17 Thunder for it's price is pretty bloody good. Where the designer put the F-5, F16 and F/A-18 in a blender, whacked a MiG-21 radar in it and and a single MiG-29 engine in and liked what came out.
In this answer I will give comparison on three key parameters Engine: Tejas Mk1A has GE 404 Engine while JF17 Block 3 will feature a Chinese WS 13 Engine which will make it worse than JF17 Block2. Fuel consumption of GE 404 at 10,000 feet is what WS13 will have at 50,000 making it cheaper to do air patrol with Tejas than JF17 Block 3. Radar: JF 17 Radar range is 105 (up)/ 85(down). Pakistan is reportedly also still considering Leonardo’s Grifo-E AESA radar system. as KLJ 7A is not used in any other fighter. Tejas uses EL/M-2052 which has higher range and used in other fighters. Some folks have put figures of 200 km etc for KLJ 7A. Those people should calculate power requirements for such range and explain how will it all fit in small JF 17 while the same Radar is used in much bigger J-10 Chengdu and advertised range is what I quoted above. Armaments: Tejas MK1A with Astra which has range of 110km slightly higher than SD 10 (PL 12). Before someone says PL 15, pls note PL -15 is for AWCS and refuelers. It is not deigned to take down fighter aircrafts and BTW, how will you guide it if Radar of JF 17 has less range. Tejas has a tailless delta wing config provides better high alpha performance characteristics than conventional wing designs. In a dogfight, delta wing Tejas MK 1A will eat JF 17 Block 3 with ws 13 engine alive with derby/python missiles. In a BVR fight, both aircrafts will finish their missiles and go home as No Escape Zone of either Astra or SD-10 is relatively small. In Air to ground role, Brahmos NG launched from Tejas MK1A will pulverise target just by its sheer kinetic energy even without warhead. JF 17 is mostly a Chinese plane irrespective of what Pak netizen think. In fact Su 30 MKI is more Indian than JF 17 is Pakistani. In real world, JF 17 is unlikely to meet Tejas. Any Indian aggression to take PoK will be done by Su 30 MKI, Mig 29 or Rafale while JF 17 will play role of interceptor and will get punched hard. Any PAF aggressive will be done by F16 and they will meet MIGs, Sukhois and Rafale along with Tejas.
I’m thinking both has weaknesses if you see - jf17 weakness is their metallic body and -tejas weakness is their body design -Jf17 is larger and heavy while -tejas is small and lighter -jf17 is faster but less hard points and less weight Tejas is slow but good maneuver Jf17 has long range missiles and can hit multiple targets with long range Tejas has also long range radar but the missile are not long range but can hit multiple targets so both have advantage and disadvantage
I tried to think from different perspective maybe we can be wrong but tejas's maneuvering was so amazing to watch great job by HAL...great things ahead for us 🇮🇳
What is the Tejas production rate? I read it was 10 a year. An order for 100 aircraft would take 10 years. It would be obsolete before the last one enter service.
Who said it goes invisible you are 775 mph slower than us 😂, Tejas is more light weight, you have less reliability (4 crashes already), we have more maneuverability than the trash can jf17
Sustained turn rate and energy retention : JF-17
Instantaneous turn rate and climb rate : Tejas
tejas is trustable jf is made in china product
Tajas flew only in air shows
JF17 flew in reality and completed dozens of combat missions in US War on terror as a front level Alliance
Great achievement
@@ahsanzubair6372 😂really beta how many crashed
@@rajibchakroborthy4181This jet kicked abhinandan's ace😂
Tejas Rolling, negative G flying, sharp turn and quick accelerating with max G climb is much better than JF17. clearly visible JF17 has no chance with Tejas.
Chorooo maha chorooo
Yeah man that’s why the Tejo Nakto LAL they’re not had been inducted in the Indian’s own airforce 😂😂😂😂
Then where it was in Feb 2019
Its a bvr world not 1920
In air ...in bvr teju has no chance
JF-17 seemed slightly faster while going straight up, but Tejas was much more agile in all kinds of maneuvers.
😂man see once again that Speed of tajes JF 17 IS LIKE OF BUNCH OF LOSE FITTED TIN FLYING IN AIR😂😂
A Delta in level flight is fast. Even Tejas top speed is higher.
@@bibekchakraborty3045when hatred is more important than education.
Tejas has a delta wing design JF-17 can never compete with its speed.
6:45 sai aesa lagh raha hai hawa mein truck chall raha hai
@@shahkhan5973 he kept it slow for a reason and intenionally....YOU NEEDTHAT Maneuverer IN DOG FIGHT. kabhi koi airfighter ka game kat bhi khela hai !?
Really goes to show how well delta wings work
In one circle fight yes in two circles Jeff is better plus this is block 2 blk 3 is already being inducted with more composites
@@ISyedZainUlAbideenEven in two circles speed, twr, engine thrust all of that matters and Tejas has higher TWR, thrust and speed than JF-17 so I really wouldn't bet on it.
@@ISyedZainUlAbideennot better than f 16's , because Chinese products are not trustworthy
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I assumed delta was for range as with the F-16XL??
First time didn't read the comments while watching the video. Both pilots showed amazing skills and performed exceptionally great. Kudos to all involved.
Why should you not read comments? Why are you so afraid?
Well, you are a Madrasa-chap, now I understand.
He was busy in seeing what his father have created...😂
@@nationlist9247true bhai 😂😂😂😂
@@nationlist9247 and you are RSS chap 🤣🤣🤣
@@AmirWaseem-gh1dvno comparison 😅
People who can say that in a cricket World Cup match the toss is fixed, can say anything. 😅😅
Yeah one day before the match their overseas coach gives them a detailed lecture on which side of the coin is called heads and which side of the coin is known as tails
@@vandemataram6639 "no you endian, we plan to steal that coin so that we can purchase aata."
Coming from a non Paksitani, a game hardly played by 10 countries..where's the competition? UFC, soccer, basketball OLYMPICS.
Everyone magically turned into aerospace engineers during this video and all collectively shared their “factual” knowledge.
ha' ha
I can see your jealousy 😂😂😂😂
and pakis claiming to have manufactured JF17 indigenously.. but actually they only assemble in Pakistan
@@sachinnegi920 F16 is still better than both of these.
@@rrrttt0113 mig 21 enters the chat:
Waah kya moves tha tejas ki taraf se, love from Nagaland-India
Lol🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Jali na Teri bhi😂😂@@lucasleo7192
@@lucasleo7192 Made and design in China, Colour painted in Pakistan 😂 JF17
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Tejas was smooth & fast like a knife on butter.
only Pilot would know
Typical p@jeet analysis
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@@AhmedAhmed-oj2li why is gandulla shivering
its literally a cheap knock off of the French Mirage 2000
Tejas is a pilot's dream plane, fast on the turns, bends and lightweight enough to dodge radars and out-manuveur any angle of attack. It can be used in numbers to deny any air superiority in air to air combat and with the help of AWACS it's as capable a plane as you want in a hostile zone. Lovely machine ❤
SU-35 and F-35 are better.
AND I ALWAYS THOUGHT TEJAS WAS A FIGHTER JET NAH BRO IT'S A PLANE
light enough to dodge radars?? out-maneuver any angle of attack???
@@LatestDesignsForYou a fighter jet is a plane
@@averagestudent5223 haha funny
JF-17 has ability to take sharp turns at low speed,
Tejas has a smoother turn radius but at high speed.
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But some illiterate idiots who do not know anything about fighter jets are making fun of them.
One like for the chief designer of the Tejas jet - Kota Harinarayana sir... respects for the great man
Those were French dude! Tejas is modernized Mirage 3. Indians hired French Engineers in 80s for 10 million each of 80s money. They brought their design. It has the same combat range (500km) and Fight time (1 hr) as Mirage 3.
Same size, same design.
@@Blackbirdz2000😂😂😂
PROPAGANDA at its BEST
Kota Harinarayana was chief Designer and engineer of HAL Tejas
Are you really blind ?
Look at Mirage 3, it has large air intakes above the wings as it was required for that RR engine
Tejas has small intakes below its wings. And a better engine producing more thrust (85kN)
It is far more maneuverable by design. It has higher payload capacity than Junk Fighter
Teja Teja kai hai! Tea is fantastic! certified by looser Abhinandan Varthaman!
@@Blackbirdz2000 Thanks for telling this, Indians love to lie.
@@lifeisfkingood Mirage and Junk?. Okay jingo boi..
Wings of Tejas looks much more Futuristic and out of the League ...👍
No it doesnt Its design from a long time ago
Firefox's wing looks even more futuristic.
Wings are designed according to the engine's demand, I bet you to use broad wings on C 17.
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Jf 17 not only very slow but bleeds a lot of energy
This issue is
Not gonna go away with current engine
Still much balanced and quicker than tejas.
It's tejas have massive drag... And tiny inlet...
Yeah man that’s why the Tejo Nakto LAL they’re not had been inducted in the Indian’s own airforce 😂😂😂😂
"bleeds a lot of energy" how 1 would know, not a commercial car / bike, that alot of people have driven and 1 could ask, wats is fule avergae per mile ?
Also That with without Delta wing & Drag. 😂
If Tejas Mk1 beats JF Block 2 by this much gap then what will MK1A which is 1200kg lighter will do? MK2 will be different class aircraft 🤔
MK2 is medium weight
The delta wing looks nice and refreshing . The other jets looks like a standard F 16
More like upgraded single engine F5.
no it doesnt its a old ass design what? and its ugly
@@weishi9804It's call F-20 Tigershark. That plane is one nasty badass if used well.
@@Rosawww Practicality over looks....
It was modified from Mig-21
Superb menouverability by tejas hats of to pilot
Fantastic teajas!😅😅😅
@@kafir978493k💀
@@kafir9784like fantastic brahmos 😂😂
Laughing stock of the world 😂😂😂
@@kafir9784fantastic spice 2000
Tejas small but deadly fighter
deadly for pilots
It's very deadly for Indian pilots. Nickname: Flying Coffin
@@miaorenfeng1Which never crashed ?
@@miaorenfeng1 That would be junk 17 one even managed to crash into arabian sea 😂🤣
@@miaorenfeng1JF 17 looks like fuckedup old Chinies lady in burqa😂😂
Tejas what a beauty
It’s one of the ugliest jet fighter in service
@@lonelybullet1 gets the job done physically and emotionally.
@@jazzwithjiggyLMAO
Tejas's maneuverability looks much faster and smoother than JF 17.
deltas r faster, thats how delta designs work. However, they are extremely poor in maneuverability. They cant turn, arnt much agile and nimble. And thats absolutely vital for any aircraft in modern warfare to dodge enemy AA/AD missiles....and even though the realistic chances of BFM r low, but if it happens, then this becomes absolutely vital.
Turning and Burning is the name of the game!
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@@albertcamus7684 theek hai bhai JF17 is better OK now?
@@albertcamus7684apni army army kiyun chilate ho already 93k surrender Kiya tha okk😅
@@Blackbirdz2000 Yep but Tejas is a highly unstable design hence it has brilliant maneuverability.
Absolutely stunning by tejas
Apnay moonh mian mitthoo
Then why your own airforce refused to conduct them???
@@darkman11111 teri ammi ko dala, ab tumari bari 🐷
@@fkmaanImprove your knowledge kid😂 they have Tejas sqd in Indian airforce. From where you people get half information 😅
@@Shreeshailbn more than half of those 40 Tejas you keep mentioning are prototypes and test vehicles not ready for any sort of combat. Why do you indians leave this part out.
Maneuverability of Tejas is much faster than JF17
Yep reliability as well
Nothing matters when your jet can't even perform, Tejas has been grounded in Dubai since 14th of Nov due to its faulty on board electronics
Istantenous turn rate , it must be high because of delta wing configuration
Because jf 17 is two circle fighter so it has sustained turn rate rather than one quick turn
Hahaaa😅
The Tejas look nimble and sleek with better maneuverability.
Both are cool jets but i would say I noticed Tejas was not bleeding as much energy as JF17 was this gives Tejas a good advantage..
But both are good jets for sure... as tactics can matter in air and how you use them
Even though it’s a delta wing the FCS on the Tejas is very capable and it has the same kind of automatic slow flight protections as the Typhoon for example with automatic slat extension. The JF-17 by comparison is a relatively outdated and rudimentary affair made mostly out of stamped steel and riveted together, the early versions didn’t even have FBW in all axis so it’s a much more conventional machine reminiscent of the 20th century
What it wasn't bleeding any energy lol
"bleeding energy" how 1 would know, not a commercial car / bike, that alot of people have driven and 1 could ask, wats is fule avergae per mile ?
In one circle fight yes in two circles Jeff is better plus this is block 2 blk 3 is already being inducted with more composites and fully digital FBW(in block 2 only 2 axis were digital)
Dude u really have no idea about the aeronautics right? Full Delta designs are notorious for bleeding energy while turning. They that due to the drag on those huge wings. Resulting in poor maneuverability aka turn and burn performance. Maintaining energy is the key advantage of JF17A's over this Tejas Series.
I think this just video alone should shut the comparison noise. Such a beautiful jet Tejas is.
Rubbish tejas
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@@albertcamus7684 93,000 of you orcs surrendered in 1971.
@@albertcamus7684ask your father about what happened in 1971.
@@albertcamus7684Kitne saal bolte rahoge tea is fantastic?
Let's conduct an air exercise between all light catagory fighter jets currently available, i.e. Tejas mk2, JF17 block 3, Saab Gripean, South Korean FA50, American F16 - not in DCS but actual combat like senareo . As a defence enthusiast egarly waiting for this 😊
F16/Gripen isn't Light Weight Fighter, its Medium Weight. Its the USAF who designates her as light which has more to do with their Hi/Lo mix. They Deploy F15/22 as High end fighters to give the main punch/blow to the enemy and F16/35 as low end to due the mopping job or deal with stragglers. Meaning that F15/22 act as bomb/BVR trucks and F16/35 as escorts.
But as of a few years ago, they r now also building a new proper 4.5 gen light weight fighter (under 15K kg max payload). F16 (19,187 kg MTOW) is Rafale, J10, Mig29/35, EF2000, JAS 39 Gripen (16,500kg MTOW) etc. type Medium Weight Fighter (MWF).
As for FA-50 its a LIFT fighter meaning fighter trainer. Proper LWF are Tejas Mk 1/1A and JF17 series. Tejas Mk-2 is said to be a MWF.
@@SnowLeopard2121 then what you will say about f35 ??
@pratimapatra541: Not much to compare. F16 blk 70+ wins the race. As far as Tejas Mk2 goes, it is on the drawing board, who knows how it will do. F16 is a combat veteran and is still the king of the skies.
JF17 Block 3 ✅
Gripen ✅
FA 50 ✅
F16 ✅
But what's Tejas mk2? Is that even a thing.....?
Bro teajs mk2 is nit light category it is medium category
Tejas has high climbing rate and more maneuverable than Jf17 ... Tejas wins the game🎯
let a non Indian, non Pakistani and non biased aviation expert comment
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and this is just tejas mk1, the mk1a will have deadlier EW/BVR and mk2 equals the J10s in Ew/avionics/BVR
The Lady Speaks more louder than the Aircraft Engine.
Tejas is good jet..
Tejas is promising. In fact, it can give mirage 2000 a hard time. But i also love the French 🇫🇷 mirages. These are my favorite, Most capable of all platforms.
Better to have been grounded😂😂 these indians fanatics its better in speed only
Both the jets are very good in their own standards. 👌
OUR LCA IS CLEARLY THE MORE FASTER AND VERSATILE AIRCRAFT. ALSO PERFECTLY COORDINATED PILOT SKILLS OF OUR LCA. SHOWS CLEAR SUPERIORITY. LCA IS A FAR BETTER FLYING PLATFORM. KUDOS TO ALL THOSE WHO DEVELOPED THIS AMAZING FLYING MACHINE
Fortunately, the reset button was installed when the aircraft was manufactured. More importantly, this time they are here for an air show, not for an emergency takeoff for a military battle.😂
Love it when they go straight up from a Distance, And the Sound
This single video shows the difference between tejas and Chinese jf 17.
jf17是巴基斯坦的，中国只是协助研制
British engine Tejas
Samosa jet, jis ko coi b use nhi kr rha, even Indian air force b
@@danishmushtaq6009batter than Chinese for sure
@@Alijah007Tera katora knha hai , lekar aa ₹100 dal dunga ata kharid lena😂 , waise bhi hamare ₹100 tumhare liye 300 hai , bhikaris 😂
Tejas is excellent fighter with much smaller radar cross-section.
This is the age of BVR combat and electronic warfare. An aerobatic performance at an air show is just that, entertainment. No country is going to reveal its true war-fighting capabilities and doctrines at such an event. Tejas and JF-17 are never going to come within dogfighting range of each other for gun engagement. This isn’t WW2 with fighters shooting guns at one another where maneuverability gave you an upper hand.
But maneuverability works best against escaping missiles you know .
Just like the scene from top gun .
More maneuverability = more chances of survival if flares run out.
That is what the US thought would happen, until their aircraft were being attacked by guns in Vietnam. Missiles cannot work at close range.
Agility also matters while outturning missiles.
Just like 27feb 2019
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@@ZainGHORI-jy1eo1971
Clearly tail-less Delta wing has its limitations. However, adding canards would make it better in maneuverability.
Tejas MK2 will be having this
So it becomes the J20 hahaha
Tejas looks good in straight line speed. JF17 looks on its turn.
Tejas design might not look attractive, but being small in design and those quick rolls ability at such speed gives huge advantage....
Teju Lal will make good chatni of Jayat Tayara 17 in real combat 😂
Tejas did better and was more impressive with tight turns and fast climb.
So people fighting here about JF 17 vs Tejas over just their own rival analysis.
Let me clear this air. Both birds are great.
1. JF 17 is a low cost competitor to F 16 while Tejas is a low cost competitor of Mirage ✅️
2. JF 17 has a strake based configuration trimmed delta wing which provides more aerodynamic agility based on payload penalty configuration. A multi role aircraft config ✅️
3. Tejas is a delta wing bird which gives its more payload advantage compared to JF 17 but at a reduced aerodynamic agility offered by delta wing aircrafts.✅️
Tejas is half a generation ahead of Mirage2000. Mirage2000 are on the verge of retirement next decade, while Tejas is a new entry and would continue to serve for decades to come.
"Low-cost COMPETITOR to Mirage" lol
Do they come with wifi hotspots so we can watch youtube videos?
As a matter of fact hadling at low speed is more difficult and often done in airshows too show low speed handling capabilities Jeff has better low speed handling capabilities while tejas is more agile
Tejas has better maneuverability than the other jet. It effortlessly spins due to its ride by wire tech. The pilot doesn't have to bother the jet and he just needs to point it, on where it is supposed to go. Wow INDIA 🇮🇳
What the pilot demonstrated does not necessarily equal the plane's capability. The capability may be more for either or both. Better not to judge from 10 minute clip.
Teja's Kaveri engined failed along with radar. Tejas now use general dynamics engine and israeli radar.
Fly by wire is standard in all modern fighter jets, its not special.
@@TimmyNigfartish USA F404 engine and Indian Uttam AESA radar, correct your knowledge.
@@pkmkb007what more can you expect from Pakistanis?
Tejas is certainly the better looking of the two. Love the delta wing.
Sin ser experto , la presentación de TEJAS fue mucho mas agresiva que el jf-17 .... A los hermanos de INDIA un saludo
A jump back to the past...
Northop F20 Tiger shark Vs General Dynamics F16XL.
Very reminiscent of those two old planes .
Interesting fact tejas is inspired by F20 tiger shark and it uses its engine Also the F404-IN20
Look carefully at its sleek fuselage.
These performances features in a 90 minute Airshow Dispatches film, featuring all the displays at the Dubai Airshow 2023, available on our TH-cam channel here: th-cam.com/video/6wMyeIhpibE/w-d-xo.html
That ugly Indian fighter jet had a black screen as soon as it took off and climbed out on the first day of the performance, and it immediately made a blind landing. And missed the flight show the next day, hahahaha
Not quite true.
Day 1 - full display
Day 2 - full display
Day 3 - planned rest day
Day 4 - technical problem after take off
Day 5 - full display
@alizahid3078 nice propaganda...it's china made jf-17... copycat engine issues. Grounded
🤣🤣🤣@alizahid3078
Tejas adalah produk gagal 😂😂😂
⚡⚡Tejas stole the thunder ⚡⚡
Yep that's for sure
Of course after one cannot even fly and one emergency landing lol 🤣🤣🤣
T jas killed it 💥
😂
Wow..How Mejistic Tejas is. ❤
Lightest + fastest + carry heavy payload + high manoeuvrability + zero crash history = LCA tejas
Also, zero flight history
Jk
@@lilsweeny1678 Showpiece aircraft bro
How teja will get crash when it's not fly ..can a parked car in garage get accident?
JF 17 block 3 (?) Bigger, heavier, more fire power, better range.
Tejas light, agile, quick acceleration, accurate, good to watch.
Firstly dry weight of JF 17 is higher which makes its payload less 1000 kg from Tejas and there are no such fighter jet mounted missile in Pakistan arsenal which can cover 1200 km range of combat nor do they have a gps navigated missile .
JF17 doesn't have more fire power Tejas has higher payload.
ویسے بھارت کا تیجاز طیارہ شوخی تو بہت مار رہا تھا مگر پرتیاں پاکستانی طیارہ jf_17 میں بہت زیادہ تھی
Pakistani? Pakistan makes jets?😂
That's completely chinese lol
@@NostalgicKM Made in pakistan by pakistani air forse
@@HUNTEZMALIK No, it is not made by the Pakistan Air Force. The air force is not an aircraft manufacturer.
Initially, the JF-17 was entirely built in China by the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation. Since 2009, the Chengdu Aircraft Corproration has built a substantial portion of the aircraft, and then shipped the partially-completed airframes to Pakistan for further assembly. That assembly process is conducted by the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex - NOT the air force.
0:52 Awesome sight when the plane comes towards the camera while rolling and descending as in chasing a target.
Keep up the healthy competition, boys. As long as we manufacture our own equipment both our countries will save precious foreign exchange & generate employment to our own folk.
This is combination of man and machine, our Tejas clearly win
4:40 tejas is back 🛩🛩🛩
This is 17th day video of dubai aeroshow
The JF-17 looks like bits of F-5, F-16 & F-18. It looks good though.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Design wise - JF17
Performance - Tejas MK2
F35
Dog fight with designer aircraft 😂😂😂
The maneuverability and speed of Tejas is much better.
Of course you say that because you are an Indian.
@@LH1xx anyone will say that and i know you don't know the name of the formations which is been showed by both jets because yeah madarsa fetish but let me tell u that tejas can go upto 8.5 g to -3.5 g
and since it has delta wings so it is obviously more maneuverable than jf17
@@atharvpandey3636
8.5 g ?
Almost all modern combat jets can pull 9 g turns
No. its literally a cheap knock off of the French Mirage 2000
JF 17 looks copy frankenstein of mirage 2000 on front the wings of F-18 and the back and tail of F-16 block 30..
JF-17 looks like what would happen if a F-18 and a F-16 had a child
Becoz it's copy paste
But cheaper product
@@parshuram11023it is a rejected design passed on to China that was rejected there also and now Pakistan use it
This quote refers to Republic of China's Indigenous Defense Fighter(F-CK 1 Ching Kuo), that plane is a F-16 derivative with Northrop's F-5 characteristics. That means both JF-17 and Indigenous Defense Fighter have superb energy retention while Delta wing designs can turn sharply and have better climb rate.
@@YashSingh-xs5yj still better than Tejas (smoking factory) 😊
@@Wazir112smoking factory?
See this Pakistani madarsachap knowledge 😂😂
tejas is carrying pods at both wings called the smoke pod. Inside it there are 2 compartments ...1 filled with oil and other filled with colorant.
if you want color or without colorant. When the pilot opens one of the valves, the oil flows through a small pipe and exits... With the heat it immediately turns into gas and gives this thick smoke
Jahil child 😂
Tejas had 5000+ flights till date and never crashed
While your jf ... crashed many times ...most of the time they can't even fly due to crap quality 😂
Learn to research before you open your uneducated mouth
Bro that inclination of Thunder and then diving downward was just absolute class. Fantastic job
Both jets where good but jf17 pilot was struggling with jet and it's control and loosing it energy very quickly with each manuver.in same time Tejas was easily fliping and turning in high speed with out loosing it's energy.due to delta wing configuration or more high-tech flyby wire system with American engines..
dude! u do realize that full deltas cant turn right? those huge wings create a lot of drag and poor fuel mileage. Tejas Mk 1/1A's combat range is only 500 km and 1hr is flight time due to this very reason. And u add weapons on it and aspect ratio comes up which is 1:75. Resulting in Extremely poor maneuverability. Meaning, it cant turn and burn!
@@Blackbirdz2000Delta wings can't turn ?😂
Ask that to Rafale and Mirage 2000.
Actually India has made it according to its needs. Nowadays high combat radius or flight time doesn't matter much !!!
It is the AESA radar, advanced avionics and electronic warfare that matters
Most dog fights don't last more than 10 minutes.
For high combat radius we have Su30 with unmatched 3000kms combat radius.
正好相反，三角翼的飞机就不可能敏捷。转弯半径大，动能损失快。JF-17D是很先进的，由巴基斯坦生产制造，中国提供技术指导
@@ws-jw1tv”CHINA PROVIDES TECHNICAL GUIDANCE “ - China leading or guiding is like a person with impaired vision leading a blind 🤣🤣
Chinese items aren’t even worth their scrap metal value because it’s all tofu dreg engineering. Chinese or their items have no guarantee or warranty
tejas is such a beauty🤩🤩
Both seem to have pretty tame flight control systems like that if an F-15C. The Tejas jet definitely has tons of induced drag (for obvious reasons) as seen in the climb in the loop. The JF-17 seems to barely miss the F-16's rate and absolute chokehold turns. The F-16 flies the same turn with I'd guess 4 degrees of AOA less than that JF just did. Cool jets though
JF 17 was sooo lackluster , even looks Antique , I thought it was better but nah , TEJAS outperformed JF17 in every matrix
The most important thing is the electronic systems and radar which goes to JF-17 but the maneuvers goes to Tejas, you can't judge till you see real dogfighting between them, there is other factors that affect which is better also .
Israeli Avionics is better than chinese
What are you smoking?
Zero knowledge about about fighter jets ?
@@AspirantKanishkaIsrael jet can bomb only civilians hospitals 😂😂
Bharat's Tejas is Superb machine.
Love both jf17 and tejas
The Pakistan's JF-17's LERX was designed with a good reason.
It's a Chinese/Pakistani American F-16 knock off.
Easy pass.
@@DarthestWiffiestanything China makes is ten times better than anything india makes
The Tejas is probably slightly better but both jets are definitely in the same class
Clearly can see the difference well done Tejas 👍👍
Tedjas jauh beberapa tingkat dari J-17, jauh lebih unggul dari segalanya. Bisa membawa bom dgn berat lebih dari 2000 kg seperti bajaj 👍👍👍
Unaku onnu theriadu
Summa edho mozhi la edavadu pota ne enna avlo peria aala da
Jf 17 oru udhavakaara
Pakistan ku china kodukradha oti oota theridhae adhuvae peria vishayam dan
Tejas epavume semma jet dan
Then where was it when shot down your 2 fighter jets
@@sarwatj5751Not two but one and you lost an F-16 to a fucking mig-21. Don't expect to fight Tejas when you can't even handle Migs .
feels incompetent from indonesian words, indeed indonesian can beat US aviation sector 😂😂
@@sarwatj5751 - which fighter jets? F-16s shot down in napakistan? Aapne ghabrana ni ha, mulk naazuk daur se guzar rha hai..:D Roti mili aj khaane ko?
Tejas looks to perform better. Delta wing is surely a better configuration.
The question really is how many each of the jets has been and will be produced and deployed. No matter how differently they appear in this air show clip of minutes, these two jets fall into the same category and generation, which means none of them will likely reach an overall exchange rate of bigger than 1:2 fighting each other in real battles. Ultimately what factually matters will only be the production capacities and deployment numbers of them.
It also depends on weapons it carries Tejas can use indian missiles like Astra mk1 and mk2. But it can also use Israeli meteor missiles. And Russian missiles too.
And the most important the hypersonic Brahmos.
But if we talk about numbers
Indian airforce ranks 4th in the world after US, China and Russia.
Currently IAF have 100 Tejas, and will order 97 more. IAF also have 250 SU 30, 69 mig 29, 50 Miraj 2000, and 50 mig 21. Tejas will replace Miraj and migs too.
Logistics Department：“please kill us 🤣"
Purchasing Department”who care! we need rebate noly😅"@@Shubham_Bahirat
@@Shubham_Bahirat o pagal barmus kahan sy hypersonic ho gya 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@AmirWaseem-gh1dvIndeed, Bramhos 1 is supersonic but Bramhos 2 in production is hypersonic. But it's still in production phrase.
Shaurya is Hypersonic but it's Surface to surface missile.
@@AmirWaseem-gh1dv he is talking about future hypersonic variant of bramhos dear madarachap . Tejas can fire advanced python -5 missile also.
Both aircraft is great in their own role but in my own opinion i like more of jf-17 in term of look alone it look beautiful. Dont get me wrong tejas is also good but for delta nothing can beat mirage or mig 21 in term of look alone.
Look doesn't matter bro
Work done by the machine is matter 🤷
The way tejas rolled 😍😍😍
Tejas looks more reliable
I think the HAL Tejas is a more manoeuvrable aircraft and It always shocks me how it looks like someone put scaled down Vulcan bomber wings on a Mirage 2000 airframe.
But the JF-17 Thunder for it's price is pretty bloody good. Where the designer put the F-5, F16 and F/A-18 in a blender, whacked a MiG-21 radar in it and and a single MiG-29 engine in and liked what came out.
bruh the Block 3 has a AESA radar
The Tejas is an imitation of the French Mirage fighter.
MIG21 RADAR? LOL engine one is true tho, the engine is Russian and has some problems but we are working to fix that problem soon.
Well the tejas is pretty much just a mishmash of ideas taken from other designs and put together using imported parts
@@janusjones6519lol you really compare aircrafts by look lol tejas is light weight aircaft
Tejas looks like a missile 🔥
Samosa
@@jhonzaigam8595better than junk fighter 😅😂
That planform at 0:10 sure look a lot like the old Northrup F-20 Tigershark?
chinese JF-17 is a decent plane actually, Tejas delta wing looks great.
Tejas is a great home grown fighter jet. ❤❤
Proud of our Engineers
In this answer I will give comparison on three key parameters
Engine: Tejas Mk1A has GE 404 Engine while JF17 Block 3 will feature a Chinese WS 13 Engine which will make it worse than JF17 Block2. Fuel consumption of GE 404 at 10,000 feet is what WS13 will have at 50,000 making it cheaper to do air patrol with Tejas than JF17 Block 3.
Radar: JF 17 Radar range is 105 (up)/ 85(down). Pakistan is reportedly also still considering Leonardo’s Grifo-E AESA radar system. as KLJ 7A is not used in any other fighter. Tejas uses EL/M-2052 which has higher range and used in other fighters. Some folks have put figures of 200 km etc for KLJ 7A. Those people should calculate power requirements for such range and explain how will it all fit in small JF 17 while the same Radar is used in much bigger J-10 Chengdu and advertised range is what I quoted above.
Armaments: Tejas MK1A with Astra which has range of 110km slightly higher than SD 10 (PL 12). Before someone says PL 15, pls note PL -15 is for AWCS and refuelers. It is not deigned to take down fighter aircrafts and BTW, how will you guide it if Radar of JF 17 has less range.
Tejas has a tailless delta wing config provides better high alpha performance characteristics than conventional wing designs.
In a dogfight, delta wing Tejas MK 1A will eat JF 17 Block 3 with ws 13 engine alive with derby/python missiles. In a BVR fight, both aircrafts will finish their missiles and go home as No Escape Zone of either Astra or SD-10 is relatively small.
In Air to ground role, Brahmos NG launched from Tejas MK1A will pulverise target just by its sheer kinetic energy even without warhead.
JF 17 is mostly a Chinese plane irrespective of what Pak netizen think. In fact Su 30 MKI is more Indian than JF 17 is Pakistani.
In real world, JF 17 is unlikely to meet Tejas. Any Indian aggression to take PoK will be done by Su 30 MKI, Mig 29 or Rafale while JF 17 will play role of interceptor and will get punched hard. Any PAF aggressive will be done by F16 and they will meet MIGs, Sukhois and Rafale along with Tejas.
Moral of story:
Tea is fantastic
In your dream. Some Indian say cow poop and pee are better than cow meat and milk !! So I guess that standard you use
Refreshingly detailed analysis bhai. ❤
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@@jawadahmad3799 no dude its called thank u chinese father in law
Tejas 🔥🔥🔥🔥👌
Tejas is much swift and manuerable, jf17 is moving like a target practise decoy 😂, just able to perform manuers but not so swift and agile as tejas.
I’m thinking both has weaknesses if you see
- jf17 weakness is their metallic body and
-tejas weakness is their body design
-Jf17 is larger and heavy while
-tejas is small and lighter
-jf17 is faster but less hard points and less weight
Tejas is slow but good maneuver
Jf17 has long range missiles and can hit multiple targets with long range
Tejas has also long range radar but the missile are not long range but can hit multiple targets so both have advantage and disadvantage
Jf17 thunder❌️
Jf17 Sitting duck✅️ 🤣
While Odia people in background ; କେତେ ବେଳ ଯାଏଁ ବସିବା
😂😂😂😂
I tried to think from different perspective maybe we can be wrong but tejas's maneuvering was so amazing to watch great job by HAL...great things ahead for us 🇮🇳
Tejas is going like hot knife on butter
its literally a cheap knock off of the French Mirage 2000
What is the Tejas production rate? I read it was 10 a year. An order for 100 aircraft would take 10 years. It would be obsolete before the last one enter service.
This is one of the major problems with the program, yes. However, HAL plans to up the rate very quickly to 28 per year.
We are still decoding vedhas for the configuration of Vedic fighter plan.
4:27 Knock Knock Tera Baap Aaya!
Yep landed in emergency as well
Who abhinandan?😅
Yani pakistan wah
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4:13 to onward this is classic fude
There is no competition between them jf-17 is 100th gen jet and can go invisible, while tejas is just a 4th gen boat. 😂😂
Why are you getting afraid 😅
Who said it goes invisible you are 775 mph slower than us 😂, Tejas is more light weight, you have less reliability (4 crashes already), we have more maneuverability than the trash can jf17
Yes you are right. JF17 goes invisible because it may explode mid air. Tejas is as stable as a boat that remain in battle.
😂😂 well I don’t know why comparing every jet have their quality
@@samrathsingh8548More crashes because there r more units of jf17 and jf17 flys also whereas Tejas is grounded so yk 🤣🥱
Just remember its Chinese made, stop fighting in the comments😂😂