They probably won't pay the right wages, either. I'm not sure what the rates are, $10-$20 an hour maybe? They'll beg for a free one, but people will say, "No, your sister-in-law begged, but you wouldn't listen"! 100% the A-hole! They're probably cheap as hell, even though they probably have loads of money. That's the vibe *I* got out of it.
Geez. They act like they gave birth to a new Messiah. Once they realize how hard it is having a kid, they'll want to have a living nanny. They'll be hard pressed to find anyone who will put up with their delusions grandeur.
@@sydinzeplin1209 it wasn’t that they were just trying to prevent the virus, it was that they were using the virus as a window of opportunity to see their kid and make a profit off of it Any sensible person would just post the precaution stuff w/o the chore/gift card part
@@sydinzeplin1209 Bull. If they didn't want visitors, they could have just said "No visitors, sorry. it's too risky." But they didn't. That mom is just an entitled control freak.
That first story was awful. My sister gave birth a year ago and i offered to do stuff for them every time I saw then and they almost always insisted that I just see the baby and hang out. I went out of my way to do stuff for them even though they didn't really want it, cause sometimes family is shoving nice things down their throat whether they want it or not.
I would make an announcement in the family … „from now on we have the following policy regarding visits: visiting parties are subject to the same rules they enforce on visitors.“
That first story.. I could never imagine charging people AT ALL to come see me or my newborn.. let alone a gift card for me, gift for the baby, take out or groceries and then do chores as well!!! Then for them to act like they’re in the right and the SIL was in the wrong.. that’s not just entitlement, that’s delusions of grandeur!
You did see the part where they said they did this to Discourage visits, right? I think they are concerned about illness. Note how they talked about all Vax bring up to date. I do agree that the gift card is over kill, though.
@@sydinzeplin1209 It was all over the top (asking for any of those things). The overall tone leads me to believe they were just using the baby as a cash grab and begging. If you’re concerned about illnesses, then just say that.. people will understand. But no, you gotta pay (in several ways) to see our baby. The fact they weren’t willing to bend the “rules” for a broke college student (that’s also family) tells me it had nothing to do with being scared of illness. Disgusting behavior.
@@sydinzeplin1209 I can understand if they want to limit visits to keep their child from being exposed to illness at a young age. What’s unacceptable is the fact that they make you do chores, buy them things, and refuse to let you see their child if you can’t afford to buy them a specific thing or specific list of things they want. It’s one thing to want what’s best for your child’s health, it’s another to demand groceries, gift cards, and chores to be done in order to see a baby. That’s called entitlement.
Story 1: holy hell, what a$$ hats! Don't be surprised when nobody visits anymore. Birthday for baby might even have people not showing, especially if it's held at your home. I wish the best of luck for that child.
Na...their the sort that would expect their friends and family to rent out the party area at Chuck Chuck e cheese or some shit with unlimited tokens lol
The first few rules for seeing OP’s baby, I understand. Every rule from #6 onward is just OP and her husband being entitled pieces of shit. Even more so, the SIL that wanted to visit came up with a very reasonable compromise and they used “rules are rules” as an excuse to berate her for not spending money she doesn’t have on them.
@@theinfidel2143 Dude, there's a pandemic going on, OF COURSE the parents have the right to protect their child however they can. And rule about no social media is fine I fuess. They're entitled to privacy. Every rule besides that and rules 1-6 is shitty though. No arguments there
6 is completely within the parents' right. If they're not comfortable with their child having pictures on social media, respect that. It's 7 where things go bonkers.
Honestly, rules 1-3 were the most reasonable, along with rule 9. 4-6 were passable, but could definitely come off as rude. But 7 and 8 definitely were BS
Please explain why 5&6 are ridiculous. If a parent tells you no with respect to their children, you respect that and they owe you no explanation, including why they don't want pictures of their kids online. If you don't like that, then tough; you DON'T put their pictures online. It's 7 and onwards that are a problem.
That first story was horrible. I have no problem, especially in these days of Covid, with expecting visitors be up to date with vaccines (especially Tdap and covid), limit number and length of visits, not picking up the baby without permission, no smoking, etc. Those are health related and somewhat reasonable. Expecting anyone visiting to come with gifts and doing chores is too over the top.
@@erickpoorbaugh6728 My niece was a bit over the top with the health stuff when her son was born, but it all was understandable for a new mother having her first child during a pandemic so we all followed her requests (none of us are anti vaxx so pretty much everyone was already up to date). Nervous first time parent gets a pass for being over protective. Nobody gets a pass for being greedy.
I can 'kinda' think of why they wanted people to do the chores, to help out the mom with taking care of the newborn while they were there. But to DEMAND it in order to see the baby? That's going too far.
Now that's entitled to ask people to bring a gift for the baby, gift card for the mom,bring them groceries and clean their house. I didn't know that the husband gave birth too and can't go out get groceries and clean the house?
When my son was born, they hadn't even finished cleaning up the blood before my aunt and sister were in the room! The only rule for visits we had was call before hand so we can make sure the house doesn't look like a cyclone hit it. That list of rules was pure exploitation and I hope those leeches don't breed again.
Right? It’s cases like this that make me support the idea that potential parents need to be screened and apply for a license to have a baby. I’ve heard of people making having children a profession (extra tax returns and welfare).. but this takes it to a new level.
@@darthsilversith667 I agree with you about screening applicants for parenthood--I've been saying the same thing for ages. But welfare would not be much of a "profession". TANF, the welfare program for families with dependent children pay at or below 60% of the poverty level. 16 states pay below 20% of poverty level. It is, as it says in the title, temporary. Participants must be actively looking for work (or getting job training), and must accept job offers. You also won't get a penny more if you have more children while on the program. If you sign up with one child, you get paid for one child, period, even if you have more (unless you were aleady pregnant at the time you sign up). So nah, the common belief that people are popping out babies to get free money is pretty much bullshit.
@@teresamcmurrin8672 Maybe things are different where I live or have recently changed but there were definitely women trying to have kids as a profession. That includes getting things like child support from as many different baby daddies as possible.
@@darthsilversith667 Ah, yes, child support would work. But welfare, highly doubtful. I've found that in general, people have an inflated idea about public assistance programs in the US. Now, there are scammers, to be sure. But otherwise, assistance is pretty paltry. It's ironic, our social services were originally created to help people escape poverty, but in practice they tend to make it harder to climb out.
The family stealing bandwidth story. I read/heard this elsewhere with the addition that the couple’s daughter came over to apologize to OP. Turns out she was already paying her parents for her bandwidth, the bandwidth they were stealing (forget how much each month).
I have worked in law enforcement for years and have been stabbed and cut and shot at multiple times but I can honestly say I have never had a sandwich thrown at me. Crazy.
I really hope both families and friends of the Op and her husband from the first story cut contact completely. They're literally insane if they think any of that is normal. Also, no deodorant? How exactly are they going to enforce that? Sniffing the armpits of anyone who actually agrees to visit?
@@marjoriejohnston4905 IF that was the case, the family would already know about it. Nobody develops that kind of sensitivity out of thin air. She's just being a control freak and a pretty greedy one at that.
I'd 5000% jog ten miles to their house for a visit without deodorant to make them rethink that one. 😂 a barely detectable skin product under the clothes....or unbearable, powerful, room-encompassing B.O.?! They can choose while I choose my chores....all ones that require reaching up. Changing light bulbs, dusting ceiling fans....😂 wait, wasn't this supposed to be about a baby or something? HMMMMM. It's almost as if this is all about the parents, weird!
That last story freaked me out with the jet ski. I know a guy who was at a camp, and one of his classmates was goofing around, coming too close on a jet ski. Hit the guy on the back of the head going full speed. At only 15, this guy's heart stopped 3 times on the way to the hospital, and he was in a coma for months. Don't fuck around with vehicles!
So Fluff starts with "gifts for a newborn" and my first thought is "what, like Baby Jesus???" Did not expect to hear that the kid was born on Christmas!
If you want to use my internet, just run an extension cord from your house into mine and let me run all my kitchen appliances off your power. I mean, you're paying for electricity anyway - you shouldn't be so stingy.
I know a little about router & stuff. So, if I were in place of OP, I would probably has mess with them... I mean... I would have gave them the psw... but not without moving the rooter and do what I can to messup their wifi. You can probably put them on an sub network where you set the download and speed limit. I'm pretty sure, with some handy work, that you can also add some "software" to manage this sub network and randomly cut the connexion. Or simply make the signal to their direction so bad that the wifi is on & off for them by itself. I mean... you provide what they ask and pretty much get worst than "no connexion"!
When my sister had her first baby me and some friends got together and filled a laundry hamper with baby stuff makin sure we got the right size diapers of course She was very grateful for the gift and 7 years later she did the same for me
wedding crashers: im 43 yrs old have never been married , been engaged a few times , my parents never even saved any money for me or my sisters college or weddings . when i do get married ( soon hopefully ) i will pay for my own wedding , it will be a very small , intimate gathering . we are on a starvation budget as it is so a trip to our local justice of the peace will be the setting and a small bbq in bro -in-laws backyard will be the venue ! and im perfectly happy with that as its not about how much it costs , its about the people dedicating their lives to one another !
Good for you two. A huge wedding is ridiculous. The money wasted on one of those huge events could be better spent as a down payment for a first home, if it is available. May God bless you and your husband from the day of your wedding, onward. 😀
On the first story......items 7-9 are excessive. The no photos on social media makes sense as the parents are the ones to decide if their baby's image online. The rest of the rules are just ridiculous
I don't think #9 was that bad. They might have a large family and don't want too many people at one time and it helps with scheduling visits.The rest are definitely insane.
With the second story, I'm a bit mixed. On one hand she has no right to the parent's money, but on the other they hadn't been clear on how much they were actually offering monetarily for the wedding and had implied they were going to cover the whole thing. So...ya, she's entitled but they're also kinda a-holes.
I actually take the daughters side in this. Is it entitlement when the parents said they would do it and in fact did it and much more for her sister? As someone that grew up the youngest of 4.. I understand being sour about your parents doing things for your siblings and not doing the same for you or having excuses as to why they don’t want to. If anything, I agree about her being upset at not getting $50K for her wedding being on the entitled side., but overall, I am on her side for that one.
well, I'd disagree only because of the price tag on the wedding she wants. My God, I've never been to a wedding that cost even half that. But, folks that got money dont know how to be happy with what they have. Last wedding I attended was beautiful and cost about $200 bucks. Just saying....
Agree that the parents should have handled it better. They should have told OP what they would be willing to pay for when she asked the first time. This way OP would know up front what kind of wedding she could plan. If she wanted something fancier than what the parents were willing to spend she could save to make up the difference. I also think that OP is entitled if she thinks that her parents 'owe' her a 50K wedding.
I wouldn’t put it past the gold digger daughter to make sure to be more extravagant on her wedding because parents didn’t give her the college fund. Daughter is 29. She’s old enough to pay for her own damn wedding and not expect retiring parents to pay for it.
The D&D story. As soon as OP said "connection issues" I totally understand that. Playing D&D while I didn't have cable internet. Not saying my phone sucks (Samsung Galaxy S9) but where I live sucks......... hard.
OP was far too accomodating. Never should have allowed them to have the second PW! Those leeches have a lot of gall demanding to use OP's wifi. The entitlement of those idiots!
I don't understand why anyone would need over $10,000 for a wedding. Are people that addicted to glam and flash and the biggest of everything? So your wedding won't be the Event Of The Season. Why are you having one in the first place? Isn't getting married about declaring a commitment in front of family and friends? Why does anyone need thousands of dollars for that???
The 4th story.... I guarantee you that's not the end of it. Hotel would charge her card for damages (depends on state, but from what was listed may be upwards to 750+ USD.) She'll most likely contest this, so there may be more later down the line.
So ive actually had an encounter with the wifi Karen. I have 3 kids pretty close in age, and since the oldest is about to start driving, they're all into cars and wanted a space of their own, I thought ill do what my father did for me and my siblings. So I built a 3 car garage on my property, and gave the kids free reign to set it up as they wanted, with the condition being they did most of the work, its their space they set it up to their liking. And one of the things they did was set up some wifi, and forgot to secure it. And I discovered it the same way that OP did, when for some reason the internet would bog down. Come to find out the Karen that was renting behind us was "borrowing" this open network and man she wasn't happy when it got locked down. Ended up having to talk with her landlord about this and he was as shocked as I was about it. And they tried everything they could to harass us until they moved too. Needless to say, he did not offer to renew their lease.
Like, the helping out new parents with chores is absolutely amazing, but…you can’t demand it. The gift card stuff is ridiculous. I bring new momma and dad a drink of choice and help where they’ll let me, but if they sent a list demanding it, I’d be hard-pressed to visit
If I ever had a child during a pandemic (or ever, for that matter) I would set rules like that too, minus the required gifts/chores. And if gifts were ever mentioned I'd add to my rules: "Don't spoil my child with hundreds of gifts, I don't want them to become a selfish, entitled a-hole."
That first story is ridiculous. Now I can understand some, like no smoking, call before you visit, no visiting late at night. Those last few rules are absolutely ridiculous. You have to give the mom and baby a gift, like an offering to some deity just to see them? Then to top it off you have to bring them food and do chores? They are for certain using the baby to get money and things. Most women in my family and that I know from work or are friends, can't wait to show off the baby to people. Then to do that to the sister is equally ridiculous. She offered to clean your whole house, but that still isn't good enough for you. They sound like the type that for baby's first Christmas or birthday, baby is gonna get something like an outfit for mom. They probably just had the baby to use as a way to get money out of people. I hope they only have the one child and never procreate again.
First story: first few rules are understandable. After that it seems like they are just using their baby as a money bag. Second story: I got married in 2013 at a country club for less than $5000. Everything including the stuff I didn’t pay for like bridesmaids dresses and tuxes. People have a hard time believing how cheap my wedding was because it looked so expensive. My husband and I flipped most of the bill. My in laws wanted certain things so they flipped the bill for things they wanted.
@@kaiseremotion854 $5000 is reasonable for something that is a special day. Music, venue, food, wedding dress, tux, shoes, hair, makeup, photographer, etc. It adds up quick with everything and it's a special once (hopefully) in a lifetime event.
@@cs1822 Exactly. The tux for the groom can even be comped, if there's enough groomsmen who rent their tuxes. The rentals are usually enough to offset the groom's tux. But then you've got the tuxes for the fathers to pay for, too.
In my extremely low cost of living area, renting reception facilities for 50 people in a country club today would cost $2000 alone and that does not include a liquor license or alcohol, decorations, or anything but basic tables and chairs. A decent photographer isn't going to cost less than $800. Catering for 50 people isn't going to cost less than $1200, and is probably going to be more. I don't think $5000 is a practical bar to set a decade after your wedding if you intend to hold a reception with food, music, flowers, decorations, photographs, etc, at some kind of venue. Generally, if you are hosting a wedding and reception for around 50 people, you should be prepared to spend at least $10k on everything. Average wedding costs are between $20k and $28k. That's not just people blowing money left and right, that's just what it costs to host an event of that scale. I think it's ridiculous, personally, but that's the truth of it.
@@alias-majik I don’t know what the country club where I got married charges today but back in 2013 it charged me $60 a head. This included food and cake. I did get married on a day where no one wanted to so they gave me a discount. My husband and I don’t drink so we had no alcohol. The place did provide a bartender but our guests had to buy their own drinks. I will say I have a few friends who offered certain services to me for a discount. I also knew of certain technical schools in the area so was able to get those services at a discount. I did spend a decent amount of time browsing the internet looking for lowest price available and at the Dollar store seeing what they had and working my decor around that. If a wedding is going to cost virtually a sizable down payment on a house, people need to reevaluate their priorities. A friend of mine decided a day of partying wasn’t worth that much so she had the traditional wedding at her church. Reception was just cake and party trays at the church courtyard.
Complaining over a $35k pricetag for a wedding? My wife of almost 18 years and I had a wonderful wedding and reception for $6k! A wedding is a day. ONE DAY! A marriage is (supposed to be) a lifetime. We figured it was better to spend our money on our life together rather than on one day. 🤷🏽♂️
My husband and I spent a grand total of $220 on our wedding. I spent $150 on my simple dress and a simple dress for my bridesmaid (his niece), and he spent $70 on the officiant. Though a reception would have been nice, it wasn't in the cards for us. But our simple, super-cheap wedding was an amazing day!
Story 2: I dunno, you've spent most of your life being promised something by your parents and when its time to lay the cash down they balk? Entitled to the money? no. Lousy parents? yes
Their promises pretty much add up to an entitlement. When you spend your whole life planning to do a thing precisely because someone offered to help you with it, it's a very reasonable expectation that they will DO it.
@@Serai3 Just like with college tuition. Parents promise the tuition, but bail just as the kid is graduating that year, even being told the day of his/her graduation. This gives the kid no time whatsoever to save for college or try for scholarships or grants. Reminds me of the movie "Soul Man" with C. Thomas Howell. The parents decided to let him pay his own way but when he was about to start college, not when he was in the 10th grade when he could have prepared for that eventuality
@@nancyomalley6286 2nd story yes the OP is entitled.................................................HOWEVER her parents are THIEVES! Her grandparents provided money for her college and her Parents STOLE IT! Folding the college fund money in with their retirement fund that's theft!
@@nancyomalley6286 Exactly. My parents promised to pay for my own wedding, back in 1978, then said, sorry, we can only give you $500. Same as when they said I could stay at their home, room and board, as long as I remained in school... I was attending a junior college, so it was tuition-free, just pay for my books and supplies, which I paid for, with my part-time job and grants. One year in, and 'you need to find your own place' came out of the blue, with me already registered for the next semester (fall) for the next year, one month before the semester was to start. Guess what happened? Had to drop out of college and find a full-time job to pay for my new apartment. Paying for the first month and deposit didn't even come close to keeping their promises to me, as it affected me the rest of my life, not having the opportunity to finish college, until I was able to, 30 years later, on my own.
Wow..that first story is a horror story..considering that 99.99% of all newborns..and this will anger many..are hideous, there is no way anyone should pay to see them.
Hang on, the GF initially gave the password, as they were 'waiting' for their internet to be connected and then you fell for the same story. Sorry, but response should have been a resounding NO!
RE: STORY #2: When my Wife and I got married over 22 years ago, our wedding cost us a total of $150. $35,000 for a wedding is DUMB. BUT then again we only invited 6 people total.
I have never understood wanting to spend thousands on a ring, many more thousands on the dress and ceremony, etc. Like surely there are better things you could spend $20k+ on 🤔 a more reliable car, paying off bills, extra mortgage repayments, a future kids college fund, etc.
@@elenalizabeth Like an old comic used to say, "We started with nothing, and we still have most of it." These overpriced events are like a dog show, with each trying to outshine each other.
Story 4 - I've seen this elsewhere. The woman got billed for all the repairs/cleaning, through her CC company. Last story - clearly EM was a sandwich short of her picnic..
The first story is beyond outrageous! As a doula, I often suggest that the parents tell those closest to them to bring food, not flowers. HOWEVER, friends and family who offer food or chores are great, but you should never expect it! Ultimately, if you choose to have a baby you know that the first few weeks are going to be really tough, so it’s a great idea to pre-fill your freezer with meals. Understand that there will be days that you never get a chance to get out of your pyjamas, and some parts of the home might get a bit dusty.
That’s true. I think that even some of the ones that could be considered reasonable might be going a little too far, such as the no smokers rule, although I do understand why you would have it (especially if the people involved have asthma or other breathing issues), but ultimately, the baby is going to be exposed to cigarette smokers sooner or later. Ultimately, they need to realize that not everyone is going to live to their demands, and if they want to get some of those things (that they want the gift cards for), they might have to pay for it out of their own pocket, or just not get them! There are a lot of families that have made due over the years, without having the latest baby toys, or even things like new cribs (they might reuse one that a friend who no longer needs it had.) As far as the chores part goes, I think it should have been worded better (we are having trouble trying to keep up with the housework), and ask if someone from their network of family and friends might be willing to come over once a week, instead of demanding it..., or asking perhaps a church group to help. As far as food goes, I might see a gallon of milk, or maybe a dozen eggs (in other words 1 or 2 items, but not a whole shopping list) as being reasonable things to ask for someone to pick up if they’re coming over (and most people knowing the situation would probably call and ask if they need anything before they leave), but at the same time, they’re not obligated to. It sounds like this family didn’t really think it out, and maybe they don’t have much money for food, but yes, there are things like food pantries, or food stamps. I was wondering if maybe the mom didn’t have transportation to the store (the dad has the car at work, for instance), and they might not have alternative forms of transportation (taxis, buses, Uber, Lyft, etc.) in their area.
I do have to say that if parents pay a certain amount of money for one child to go to college. They really should save the same amount in case the other child wants to go to college later or as a down payment on a house. It's seriously playing favorites that they will support one lifestyle but not another.
The “pay for my wedding” lady was pathetic. A marriage isn’t about the wedding, it’s about two people committing to each other. My first wedding literally cost nothing. We were living well below the poverty line. My former pastor payed for the license and did the ceremony for free. We wore casual clothes and the reception was a potluck dinner with about 20 friends and my ex’s parents. It was a pretty good time for all and we were together for about 13 years (until my ex had an affair and I left.) Weddings don’t have to be expensive. If you can’t afford the dream wedding, scale back your standards or just don’t bother. It’s no one else’s responsibility to do it for you.
second story: On one hand the parents did keep saying they would pay for the wedding so they have a bit of a point in those regards However the rest felt entitled.
Rules to see baby, if I was in her family I would straight up make it known that I will have nothing to do with that child if I have to pay to see them
When the parents repeatedly promised to pay for the wedding, all of the wedding, it is understandable that OP would expect them to pay. She asked how much the budget would be and they refused to give her any idea. The parents could have said "we spent 20k on your sister's wedding" then OP could have mentally prepared for that. Yes OP is rude with how she views her sister and her BIL and how she didn't want college, but when it comes to expecting the money she was promised for a wedding I would say she is not the a-hole. The parents should have been clear about how much they were willing to contribute instead of kicking the discussion down the road. Or you can say everyone is being an a-hole.
lets say they did tell her the price limit... wouldnt it make sense for her to use up every penny of that limit on frivolous stuff that she could sell later... the dad was being smart
2nd story yes the OP is entitled.................................................HOWEVER her parents are THIEVES! Her grandparents provided money for her college and her Parents STOLE IT! Folding the college fund money in with their retirement fund that's theft!
@@vernonjackson3435 No she did get the college fund from her Grandparents what she didn't get is the college fund her parents has saved for her which she isn't entitled to since she didn't go to college
@@jonte143 Nope Darkfluff CLEARLY Said her parents put the college funds her grandparents provided into their retirement fund, Her sister did tho, Go back and listen closer This Time! Or clean the wax out of your ears? Put new batteries in your hearing aid?🤦♂
If I'm remembering correctly I've heard the 3rd story before and it gets worse. The neighbors were actually taking money from their daughter to "pay for the internet" that they weren't even paying for.
First story, those people need to get over themselves. You’re babies not special and you twos are toxic af for taking the concept of boundaries and exploiting it for gifts and free labor.
The second story too. Jeez! I get the idea of “my parents made me a college fund, I didn’t go to college, but I could use the money”, but at the same time, they don’t have to give you a penny. That’s THEIR money that they saved up and they used it as an incentive that you did not take advantage of. But, at the same time, they made a promise to pay for your whole wedding, never mentioning a budget cap. What if you got married first, and then your sister was in your current position, she’d be pissed too. It’s like, you shouldn’t ever expect any freebie, even from your own family, because you will get disappointed a lot. If your parents really wanted to be fair and even with two girls, then they actually need to make it equal.
The Karen from story 4 needs to be charged for vandalism, a cleaning fee, a repair bill and be placed on a ban list so she can never stay with that franchise again
In the first story I bet the Entitled Mom and her husband buys little to none of the groceries and little to none of the chores and makes their poor family and friends buy all of the groceries and makes them do all of the chores. I also bet that once that poor son grows up that he will have to buy all of the groceries and do all of chores and mostly likely be forced to be a parent/free babysitter for his siblings. Those parents are not just Entitled they are also lazy and selfish. Those parents are just using that poor kid for free food, stuff, and labor. Somebody in that family needs to recuse that poor kid so he don't become as Entitled, lazy, and, selfish as his parents or be used and mistreated as those Entitled parent's family members and friends.
The wedding one is about equity. I'd demand the exact level and amount of treatment for myself that you gave to my siblings. If you can afford to do such and such for them, you can afford it for me. If you can for them but not for me? Low to no contact. Either all of your kids are your priority and get equal/equitable treatment and monetary investments (if you have the income and savings for it, don't do this if you're struggling or poor), or none of them get it. You can't choose favorites.
I believe in treating all your kids equally, but I also believe in budgets. Example: you have 2 kids, each kid is budgeted X amount of money for college, X amount for wedding equally. Should a child not get married &/or attend college, the funds can then be put into a trust to be released X age.
@@Lynn-kh5rs the issue there is OP said that her parents put her college fund into their retirement, not into something for OP, and still expected to pay the same amount for the wedding as OP's sister. The money that was meant for OP never went to her in any form from what info we have.
If the parents had lost a lot of their income in between then there wouldn't be much they could do. Also everyone is different there is no exactly equal anything.
Second story is an ESH scenario. Parents REFUSED to ever tell her the budget and then let her down after years of promising her they would pay for her wedding. Her parents set the expectation that no matter what, they would pay for the wedding in full and then backed out. I'm stunned no one recognises this side of it. OP on the other hand is flat out being an entitled kid and should be FAR more appreciative of the help from mom and pop.
2nd story yes the OP is entitled.................................................HOWEVER her parents are THIEVES! Her grandparents provided money for her college and her Parents STOLE IT! Folding the college fund money in with their retirement fund that's theft!
Trust me. People do disgusting things in motel rooms! My brother worked maintenance for knights inn. He lost count of how many toilets he had to unbolt from the floor to remove bottles and cans from them. A favorite gross thing here seemed to be putting poop in a can, then shoving it into the toilet as hard as they could. Why? Who the heck knows! And stealing? - shower curtains, window curtains, coffee pots and blankets were among the missing. They had two homeless ladies who stayed over night thru the kindness of a church paying for them. In the morning, my brother had to try and stop them from stealing all the outside light bulbs they could reach! Police were called when the ladies got mad at them trying to stop them and started throwing the light bulbs at my brother and his maintenance supervisor! My brothers SO FREAKING happy he doesnt work there any more! (Btw - He worked there in the 80’s and 90’s)
Why do Karens feel it is their RIGHT to have extravagant weddings? I for one would not like to even know someone so entitled much less associated with them.
@@jeremydale4548 yea. The daughter actually found the Reddit post and went over to tell them. When I come to power you will be required to go through an approval process to be a parent.
Third story: it annoys me that the neighbour thinks they have a right to use OPs internet I will admit there was a period of time when i had to borrow someone else’s internet connection (my sister’s connection), which was whenever i was at the house near the border during the time when i was going back and forth between two addresses, but once i started permanently living at that house rather than going back and forth between two addresses, we got a connection set up at this address
I vote that it depends on what the parents paid for older sister's wedding AND college. If combined costs are around $25k, OP needs to shut up. $35k, the parents should pay up. You don't book the pavilion ahead of time, you don't get to kick anyone out when they're already there. Either way, the loud music was rude and the jet skier was a total idiot.
I would be passive aggressive if someone was using my internet. I’d setup a throttled connection and give them access to that. Hey, guys, enjoy your 3 Mbps connection!
I do not understand these people. My first wedding cost nearly nothing. My now-ex and I got married in the college chapel, the day after graduation. We paid the music professor a small honorarium, and asked the school chaplain to officiate. We had a nice dinner that my parents paid for, and both they and my in-laws paid for several motel rooms for us and our guests, since we had to move out of our dorm rooms. All told, rooms, food, honoraria, and the reception we had when we got home, we spent maybe a couple of grand. The fanciest bit was a seven-layer wedding cake, each layer a different flavor of New York Style cheesecake.
First story: limited visits for the baby makes sense but gifts are not.... that's just selling baby time... Second story: being promised that didn't help with the issues at hand.... massive miscommunication
With that first story...I can kind of see why they feel a need for compensation, assuming that by visiting, they mean living with them in the house for x amount of time. It is reasonable to expect someone who is living with you to pitch in and help reduce the extra costs their presence is imposing, especially when enough people are wanting to visit that it may actually create a hardship without some sort of compensation requested. That said, the way they expressed it made it come across as a cash grab. When you demand a gift, its no longer a gift; its a payment. I think they should have rephrased the rules to say they couldn't afford to cover all the costs of everyone's' visits and would need visitors to pitch in with chores and with meal costs. Gifts would be appreciated, but are optional since your presence is a gift in and of itself.
They stipulated the visit would be limited to an hour. So they weren't feeding or housing people as the visitors wouldn't have time to enjoy a meal with the parents. They essentially only wanted people to pick time slots to come over, bring food for them to enjoy,, glance at the baby and do chores for the hour they are allowed to "visit". They probably scheduled the visits to coincide with meal times too lol.
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What makes the couple in the first story special to receive gifts and do chores to see their baby over other babies that don't require this obligation?!
I was engaged until early last year (VERY LONG STORY) I was looking at prices though not many people were going to be in attendance I got everything with 50 guests for about 6k. I am also a very frugal person and look for bargins and sales where I can... 35k just seems obnoxious.
I know I'm not through the whole first story, how ever are they NUTS,I get about some of the rules. Just the part about bringing gift cards,are you kidding me, that's STUPID, they have gone over the edge on that.
if they paid for their daughter to go college and then their wedding while she moved out sooner and didn't get her college paid by them it does seem a bit unfair
Regarding the wedding story, I tried to do everything fairly between my kids so for example if I get one kid $100 worth of gifts for their birthday or Christmas then I get the others the same amount because that's only fair. The same should apply here and with any other instance, if you're going to pay for one child's college fund then you should be able to pay the same amount to any of your other kids for anything they might need like a college fund or a wedding. I honestly struggle with the fact that I wonder sometimes if my parents really did ever love me because my dad favors my one sister and my mom favors my other sister and I feel like I'm just stuck in the middle and it has caused a lot of trauma for me emotionally and mentally. Please, if you have children, do not favor one over the other because it does hurt
It's gonna suck for that 1st couple when they'll need a babysitter
They would probably make the babysitter pay THEM.
Yeah, and nobody wants to sit for them! XD
They probably won't pay the right wages, either. I'm not sure what the rates are, $10-$20 an hour maybe?
They'll beg for a free one, but people will say, "No, your sister-in-law begged, but you wouldn't listen"! 100% the A-hole! They're probably cheap as hell, even though they probably have loads of money. That's the vibe *I* got out of it.
Geez. They act like they gave birth to a new Messiah. Once they realize how hard it is having a kid, they'll want to have a living nanny. They'll be hard pressed to find anyone who will put up with their delusions grandeur.
It was fine until she got to the "give me shit" and "do my chores" garbage.
They ARE using the child as a cash calf.
The point of the list was to discourage visits.
You have a newborn during a pandemic.
I do, however, agree that the gift card is overkill.
@@sydinzeplin1209 it wasn’t that they were just trying to prevent the virus, it was that they were using the virus as a window of opportunity to see their kid and make a profit off of it
Any sensible person would just post the precaution stuff w/o the chore/gift card part
The moment the list said no deodorant I was nope nope nope.
SHE is using the kid. There's nothing on that list for the father, did you notice that?
@@sydinzeplin1209 Bull. If they didn't want visitors, they could have just said "No visitors, sorry. it's too risky." But they didn't. That mom is just an entitled control freak.
That first story was awful. My sister gave birth a year ago and i offered to do stuff for them every time I saw then and they almost always insisted that I just see the baby and hang out. I went out of my way to do stuff for them even though they didn't really want it, cause sometimes family is shoving nice things down their throat whether they want it or not.
Crazy. Never heard of such bizzare things
Just simply rude!
I would make an announcement in the family … „from now on we have the following policy regarding visits: visiting parties are subject to the same rules they enforce on visitors.“
Indeed who demands money to see a baby
@@aurane24 I'll play devil's advocate here. What if the rules are in an attempt to keep a toxic family away from the new baby?
That first story.. I could never imagine charging people AT ALL to come see me or my newborn.. let alone a gift card for me, gift for the baby, take out or groceries and then do chores as well!!! Then for them to act like they’re in the right and the SIL was in the wrong.. that’s not just entitlement, that’s delusions of grandeur!
You did see the part where they said they did this to Discourage visits, right?
I think they are concerned about illness. Note how they talked about all Vax bring up to date.
I do agree that the gift card is over kill, though.
I had twins, I could have said, "see 1 for $20 and you get to see the other at a 50% discount rate" lol
Yeah the gift or gift card rule and the food chores list is a bit over the top but the other rules i agree with.
@@sydinzeplin1209 It was all over the top (asking for any of those things). The overall tone leads me to believe they were just using the baby as a cash grab and begging. If you’re concerned about illnesses, then just say that.. people will understand. But no, you gotta pay (in several ways) to see our baby. The fact they weren’t willing to bend the “rules” for a broke college student (that’s also family) tells me it had nothing to do with being scared of illness. Disgusting behavior.
@@sydinzeplin1209 I can understand if they want to limit visits to keep their child from being exposed to illness at a young age. What’s unacceptable is the fact that they make you do chores, buy them things, and refuse to let you see their child if you can’t afford to buy them a specific thing or specific list of things they want. It’s one thing to want what’s best for your child’s health, it’s another to demand groceries, gift cards, and chores to be done in order to see a baby. That’s called entitlement.
Story 1: holy hell, what a$$ hats! Don't be surprised when nobody visits anymore. Birthday for baby might even have people not showing, especially if it's held at your home. I wish the best of luck for that child.
Na...their the sort that would expect their friends and family to rent out the party area at Chuck Chuck e cheese or some shit with unlimited tokens lol
Yeah. I pity that kid being brought up by such shameless grabbers.
The first few rules for seeing OP’s baby, I understand. Every rule from #6 onward is just OP and her husband being entitled pieces of shit. Even more so, the SIL that wanted to visit came up with a very reasonable compromise and they used “rules are rules” as an excuse to berate her for not spending money she doesn’t have on them.
I was thinking the same thing
I was out at #1
@@theinfidel2143 Dude, there's a pandemic going on, OF COURSE the parents have the right to protect their child however they can.
And rule about no social media is fine I fuess. They're entitled to privacy.
Every rule besides that and rules 1-6 is shitty though. No arguments there
6 is completely within the parents' right. If they're not comfortable with their child having pictures on social media, respect that.
It's 7 where things go bonkers.
@@firefly4f4 bro, the social media rule is number 5, the giftcard rule is 6
The first one: Just gross. Completely a cash grab.
Reminds me of a circus freakshow: "Step right up, see the baby, only 20$!"
The op charging people for a baby visit..I am wondering how many of their family and friends suddenly found them and their baby uninteresting.
I'm surprised anyone actually visited. The parents must have been complete AH their entire life and everyone just expected it.
Okay, in the first story, the first 4 rules seemed appropriate, but as the list continued it began to feel ridiculous
It sounded like a good way to deter people tbh. Then nobody will come to see the baby
Honestly, rules 1-3 were the most reasonable, along with rule 9. 4-6 were passable, but could definitely come off as rude. But 7 and 8 definitely were BS
Even the fifth rule made sense, but six on were completely crazy to expect people to agree to.
@@LadyLexyStarwatcher Agreed
Please explain why 5&6 are ridiculous.
If a parent tells you no with respect to their children, you respect that and they owe you no explanation, including why they don't want pictures of their kids online. If you don't like that, then tough; you DON'T put their pictures online.
It's 7 and onwards that are a problem.
That first story was horrible. I have no problem, especially in these days of Covid, with expecting visitors be up to date with vaccines (especially Tdap and covid), limit number and length of visits, not picking up the baby without permission, no smoking, etc. Those are health related and somewhat reasonable. Expecting anyone visiting to come with gifts and doing chores is too over the top.
Yeah, items 7 & 8 take it from strict-but-understandable to exploitative really fast.
@@erickpoorbaugh6728 My niece was a bit over the top with the health stuff when her son was born, but it all was understandable for a new mother having her first child during a pandemic so we all followed her requests (none of us are anti vaxx so pretty much everyone was already up to date). Nervous first time parent gets a pass for being over protective. Nobody gets a pass for being greedy.
I can 'kinda' think of why they wanted people to do the chores, to help out the mom with taking care of the newborn while they were there. But to DEMAND it in order to see the baby? That's going too far.
I was thinking the same thing The second they said you got to pay, do chores, And buy a gift, girl bye I don't just see no baby that much.
Now that's entitled to ask people to bring a gift for the baby, gift card for the mom,bring them groceries and clean their house. I didn't know that the husband gave birth too and can't go out get groceries and clean the house?
When my son was born, they hadn't even finished cleaning up the blood before my aunt and sister were in the room! The only rule for visits we had was call before hand so we can make sure the house doesn't look like a cyclone hit it. That list of rules was pure exploitation and I hope those leeches don't breed again.
Right? It’s cases like this that make me support the idea that potential parents need to be screened and apply for a license to have a baby. I’ve heard of people making having children a profession (extra tax returns and welfare).. but this takes it to a new level.
I hope those leeches don't survive to raise that child.
@@darthsilversith667 I agree with you about screening applicants for parenthood--I've been saying the same thing for ages.
But welfare would not be much of a "profession". TANF, the welfare program for families with dependent children pay at or below 60% of the poverty level. 16 states pay below 20% of poverty level. It is, as it says in the title, temporary. Participants must be actively looking for work (or getting job training), and must accept job offers. You also won't get a penny more if you have more children while on the program. If you sign up with one child, you get paid for one child, period, even if you have more (unless you were aleady pregnant at the time you sign up).
So nah, the common belief that people are popping out babies to get free money is pretty much bullshit.
@@teresamcmurrin8672 Maybe things are different where I live or have recently changed but there were definitely women trying to have kids as a profession. That includes getting things like child support from as many different baby daddies as possible.
@@darthsilversith667 Ah, yes, child support would work. But welfare, highly doubtful.
I've found that in general, people have an inflated idea about public assistance programs in the US. Now, there are scammers, to be sure. But otherwise, assistance is pretty paltry.
It's ironic, our social services were originally created to help people escape poverty, but in practice they tend to make it harder to climb out.
The family stealing bandwidth story. I read/heard this elsewhere with the addition that the couple’s daughter came over to apologize to OP. Turns out she was already paying her parents for her bandwidth, the bandwidth they were stealing (forget how much each month).
was just about to comment this... she was paying her parents and they pocketed the cash and abused the neighbors wifi... thays nuts
props to the daughter!
SO they were stealing from their own daughter and blaming the neighbor for their problems?
@@markrahm6900 that is exactly what happened
A chore list and must give a gift card?? F'ing entitled right there!
Are the OP and husband Ferengi?
the first story, jesus Christ.. I didnt know my eyes could roll to the back of my head for so long
My eyes rolled a complete 360 when I reached rule 7. After that, I was gone.
I have worked in law enforcement for years and have been stabbed and cut and shot at multiple times but I can honestly say I have never had a sandwich thrown at me. Crazy.
I really hope both families and friends of the Op and her husband from the first story cut contact completely. They're literally insane if they think any of that is normal. Also, no deodorant? How exactly are they going to enforce that? Sniffing the armpits of anyone who actually agrees to visit?
Yes, when the visitors come in. The parents drop whatever they’re doing, and sniff their armpits
I wonder if they are referring to scented ones or maybe spray ones. Some people are really sensitive to those
@@marjoriejohnston4905 IF that was the case, the family would already know about it. Nobody develops that kind of sensitivity out of thin air. She's just being a control freak and a pretty greedy one at that.
@@Serai3 I wasn't referring to the mother being sensitive, I was referring to the baby. I'm not sure how babies react to that kind of thing.
I'd 5000% jog ten miles to their house for a visit without deodorant to make them rethink that one. 😂 a barely detectable skin product under the clothes....or unbearable, powerful, room-encompassing B.O.?! They can choose while I choose my chores....all ones that require reaching up. Changing light bulbs, dusting ceiling fans....😂 wait, wasn't this supposed to be about a baby or something? HMMMMM. It's almost as if this is all about the parents, weird!
That last story freaked me out with the jet ski. I know a guy who was at a camp, and one of his classmates was goofing around, coming too close on a jet ski. Hit the guy on the back of the head going full speed. At only 15, this guy's heart stopped 3 times on the way to the hospital, and he was in a coma for months. Don't fuck around with vehicles!
So Fluff starts with "gifts for a newborn" and my first thought is "what, like Baby Jesus???" Did not expect to hear that the kid was born on Christmas!
If you want to use my internet, just run an extension cord from your house into mine and let me run all my kitchen appliances off your power. I mean, you're paying for electricity anyway - you shouldn't be so stingy.
ya. some people are soo selfish
I know a little about router & stuff. So, if I were in place of OP, I would probably has mess with them... I mean... I would have gave them the psw... but not without moving the rooter and do what I can to messup their wifi. You can probably put them on an sub network where you set the download and speed limit. I'm pretty sure, with some handy work, that you can also add some "software" to manage this sub network and randomly cut the connexion. Or simply make the signal to their direction so bad that the wifi is on & off for them by itself. I mean... you provide what they ask and pretty much get worst than "no connexion"!
the first half of that list was fine the other half was the cash grab list, unforgivable
Story 1 + 2: I wonder if they are aware how entitled they are.
That takes an IQ higher than 32... 😁
shut up
@@michaelterrell loser
When my sister had her first baby me and some friends got together and filled a laundry hamper with baby stuff makin sure we got the right size diapers of course
She was very grateful for the gift and 7 years later she did the same for me
wedding crashers: im 43 yrs old have never been married , been engaged a few times , my parents never even saved any money for me or my sisters college or weddings . when i do get married ( soon hopefully ) i will pay for my own wedding , it will be a very small , intimate gathering . we are on a starvation budget as it is so a trip to our local justice of the peace will be the setting and a small bbq in bro -in-laws backyard will be the venue ! and im perfectly happy with that as its not about how much it costs , its about the people dedicating their lives to one another !
Good for you two. A huge wedding is ridiculous. The money wasted on one of those huge events could be better spent as a down payment for a first home, if it is available.
May God bless you and your husband from the day of your wedding, onward. 😀
I hope the entitled hotel guest gets charged fir the damages to the room.
"this photo was clearly taken with a potato" I laughed so hard
On the first story......items 7-9 are excessive. The no photos on social media makes sense as the parents are the ones to decide if their baby's image online. The rest of the rules are just ridiculous
I don't think #9 was that bad. They might have a large family and don't want too many people at one time and it helps with scheduling visits.The rest are definitely insane.
No smoking, no perfume and no pictures, don’t come if your sick is perfectly fine but the others are dumb and ridiculous
@@pizzapartytime1826 surprised that they didnt ban body odor. Considering that no deodorant is definitely going to increase that smell.
$25k? That's $20k more than my first wedding. That OP needs to live and celebrate within her means.
Lol $24k more than mine 🤣🤣 ahh the good old courthouses wedding 🤪
That's a downpayment on a house!!
And $24.9k more than my own wedding
Dude should've taped a paper to his neighbor's door stating "Yes, I am happy. Thanks for asking."
4th story: I hope that Karen checked in with a credit card, so they can charge all the "incidentals," ie property damage to it.
At least the poor fly was comped for the Karen encounter...
There was an update for that one. The Motel sued and won.
@@BuhoPnu Yes! Victory over Karen! All Karen stories should end like that!
With the second story, I'm a bit mixed. On one hand she has no right to the parent's money, but on the other they hadn't been clear on how much they were actually offering monetarily for the wedding and had implied they were going to cover the whole thing. So...ya, she's entitled but they're also kinda a-holes.
Kind of an everybody sucks here situation
I actually take the daughters side in this. Is it entitlement when the parents said they would do it and in fact did it and much more for her sister? As someone that grew up the youngest of 4.. I understand being sour about your parents doing things for your siblings and not doing the same for you or having excuses as to why they don’t want to. If anything, I agree about her being upset at not getting $50K for her wedding being on the entitled side., but overall, I am on her side for that one.
well, I'd disagree only because of the price tag on the wedding she wants. My God, I've never been to a wedding that cost even half that. But, folks that got money dont know how to be happy with what they have. Last wedding I attended was beautiful and cost about $200 bucks. Just saying....
Agree that the parents should have handled it better. They should have told OP what they would be willing to pay for when she asked the first time. This way OP would know up front what kind of wedding she could plan. If she wanted something fancier than what the parents were willing to spend she could save to make up the difference. I also think that OP is entitled if she thinks that her parents 'owe' her a 50K wedding.
I wouldn’t put it past the gold digger daughter to make sure to be more extravagant on her wedding because parents didn’t give her the college fund. Daughter is 29. She’s old enough to pay for her own damn wedding and not expect retiring parents to pay for it.
The D&D story. As soon as OP said "connection issues" I totally understand that. Playing D&D while I didn't have cable internet. Not saying my phone sucks (Samsung Galaxy S9) but where I live sucks......... hard.
OP was far too accomodating. Never should have allowed them to have the second PW! Those leeches have a lot of gall demanding to use OP's wifi. The entitlement of those idiots!
@@lancerevell5979 oh yeah. I mean with my wifi password. It's one if those..... it's a reference to a game.
I don't understand why anyone would need over $10,000 for a wedding. Are people that addicted to glam and flash and the biggest of everything? So your wedding won't be the Event Of The Season. Why are you having one in the first place? Isn't getting married about declaring a commitment in front of family and friends? Why does anyone need thousands of dollars for that???
The 4th story.... I guarantee you that's not the end of it. Hotel would charge her card for damages (depends on state, but from what was listed may be upwards to 750+ USD.) She'll most likely contest this, so there may be more later down the line.
Yeah...... screw arresting her. What happened to the sammich? Was that caught and eaten? Did it fall onto the ground forever lost?
or 2 second rule applied?
@@musicloverme3993 depending on the place. That may apply but still.....
So ive actually had an encounter with the wifi Karen. I have 3 kids pretty close in age, and since the oldest is about to start driving, they're all into cars and wanted a space of their own, I thought ill do what my father did for me and my siblings. So I built a 3 car garage on my property, and gave the kids free reign to set it up as they wanted, with the condition being they did most of the work, its their space they set it up to their liking.
And one of the things they did was set up some wifi, and forgot to secure it. And I discovered it the same way that OP did, when for some reason the internet would bog down.
Come to find out the Karen that was renting behind us was "borrowing" this open network and man she wasn't happy when it got locked down. Ended up having to talk with her landlord about this and he was as shocked as I was about it. And they tried everything they could to harass us until they moved too. Needless to say, he did not offer to renew their lease.
That first story parents are amazingly entitled!! 😝😫😣
Like, the helping out new parents with chores is absolutely amazing, but…you can’t demand it. The gift card stuff is ridiculous. I bring new momma and dad a drink of choice and help where they’ll let me, but if they sent a list demanding it, I’d be hard-pressed to visit
Dont worry about too many people visiting you OP. After those rules id laugh and find something else to do
If I ever had a child during a pandemic (or ever, for that matter) I would set rules like that too, minus the required gifts/chores. And if gifts were ever mentioned I'd add to my rules: "Don't spoil my child with hundreds of gifts, I don't want them to become a selfish, entitled a-hole."
The pricier the wedding, generally the less time the marriage lasts.
Depends, people who wait till they are a bit older and can afford a larger wedding are more likely to last than those that get afford at 20.
That first story is ridiculous. Now I can understand some, like no smoking, call before you visit, no visiting late at night. Those last few rules are absolutely ridiculous. You have to give the mom and baby a gift, like an offering to some deity just to see them? Then to top it off you have to bring them food and do chores? They are for certain using the baby to get money and things. Most women in my family and that I know from work or are friends, can't wait to show off the baby to people.
Then to do that to the sister is equally ridiculous. She offered to clean your whole house, but that still isn't good enough for you. They sound like the type that for baby's first Christmas or birthday, baby is gonna get something like an outfit for mom. They probably just had the baby to use as a way to get money out of people. I hope they only have the one child and never procreate again.
First story: first few rules are understandable. After that it seems like they are just using their baby as a money bag.
Second story: I got married in 2013 at a country club for less than $5000. Everything including the stuff I didn’t pay for like bridesmaids dresses and tuxes. People have a hard time believing how cheap my wedding was because it looked so expensive. My husband and I flipped most of the bill. My in laws wanted certain things so they flipped the bill for things they wanted.
interesting, I still think 5k is still alot for a one time thing
@@kaiseremotion854 $5000 is reasonable for something that is a special day. Music, venue, food, wedding dress, tux, shoes, hair, makeup, photographer, etc. It adds up quick with everything and it's a special once (hopefully) in a lifetime event.
@@cs1822 Exactly. The tux for the groom can even be comped, if there's enough groomsmen who rent their tuxes. The rentals are usually enough to offset the groom's tux. But then you've got the tuxes for the fathers to pay for, too.
In my extremely low cost of living area, renting reception facilities for 50 people in a country club today would cost $2000 alone and that does not include a liquor license or alcohol, decorations, or anything but basic tables and chairs. A decent photographer isn't going to cost less than $800. Catering for 50 people isn't going to cost less than $1200, and is probably going to be more. I don't think $5000 is a practical bar to set a decade after your wedding if you intend to hold a reception with food, music, flowers, decorations, photographs, etc, at some kind of venue. Generally, if you are hosting a wedding and reception for around 50 people, you should be prepared to spend at least $10k on everything. Average wedding costs are between $20k and $28k. That's not just people blowing money left and right, that's just what it costs to host an event of that scale. I think it's ridiculous, personally, but that's the truth of it.
@@alias-majik I don’t know what the country club where I got married charges today but back in 2013 it charged me $60 a head. This included food and cake. I did get married on a day where no one wanted to so they gave me a discount. My husband and I don’t drink so we had no alcohol. The place did provide a bartender but our guests had to buy their own drinks. I will say I have a few friends who offered certain services to me for a discount. I also knew of certain technical schools in the area so was able to get those services at a discount. I did spend a decent amount of time browsing the internet looking for lowest price available and at the Dollar store seeing what they had and working my decor around that.
If a wedding is going to cost virtually a sizable down payment on a house, people need to reevaluate their priorities. A friend of mine decided a day of partying wasn’t worth that much so she had the traditional wedding at her church. Reception was just cake and party trays at the church courtyard.
Complaining over a $35k pricetag for a wedding? My wife of almost 18 years and I had a wonderful wedding and reception for $6k!
A wedding is a day. ONE DAY!
A marriage is (supposed to be) a lifetime.
We figured it was better to spend our money on our life together rather than on one day. 🤷🏽♂️
My husband and I spent a grand total of $220 on our wedding. I spent $150 on my simple dress and a simple dress for my bridesmaid (his niece), and he spent $70 on the officiant. Though a reception would have been nice, it wasn't in the cards for us. But our simple, super-cheap wedding was an amazing day!
@@jessicalee5260 that's awesome! Funny thing was that my wife wanted to elope... I insisted on the ceremony and reception. Now she's glad we did that.
Story 2: I dunno, you've spent most of your life being promised something by your parents and when its time to lay the cash down they balk? Entitled to the money? no. Lousy parents? yes
Their promises pretty much add up to an entitlement. When you spend your whole life planning to do a thing precisely because someone offered to help you with it, it's a very reasonable expectation that they will DO it.
@@Serai3 Just like with college tuition. Parents promise the tuition, but bail just as the kid is graduating that year, even being told the day of his/her graduation. This gives the kid no time whatsoever to save for college or try for scholarships or grants. Reminds me of the movie "Soul Man" with C. Thomas Howell. The parents decided to let him pay his own way but when he was about to start college, not when he was in the 10th grade when he could have prepared for that eventuality
@@nancyomalley6286 2nd story yes the OP is entitled.................................................HOWEVER her parents are THIEVES! Her grandparents provided money for her college and her Parents STOLE IT! Folding the college fund money in with their retirement fund that's theft!
@@nancyomalley6286 Exactly. My parents promised to pay for my own wedding, back in 1978, then said, sorry, we can only give you $500. Same as when they said I could stay at their home, room and board, as long as I remained in school... I was attending a junior college, so it was tuition-free, just pay for my books and supplies, which I paid for, with my part-time job and grants. One year in, and 'you need to find your own place' came out of the blue, with me already registered for the next semester (fall) for the next year, one month before the semester was to start. Guess what happened? Had to drop out of college and find a full-time job to pay for my new apartment. Paying for the first month and deposit didn't even come close to keeping their promises to me, as it affected me the rest of my life, not having the opportunity to finish college, until I was able to, 30 years later, on my own.
First story: you're insane. Period.
Wow..that first story is a horror story..considering that 99.99% of all newborns..and this will anger many..are hideous, there is no way anyone should pay to see them.
Story 1 Giving money, bring groceries and doing chores is one way to keep the guest list down
There are a few things on the list are common sense... but chores and gifts is BS.
Story 3: Like more than 10 stories before, "No good deed goes unpunished." Just, wow.
Just buy your own internet, man!
The whole "well youre paying for it so I should get to use it" is just insane. Then the whining about cutting off THEIR internet..
Hang on, the GF initially gave the password, as they were 'waiting' for their internet to be connected and then you fell for the same story. Sorry, but response should have been a resounding NO!
@@mospeada1152 agree, but i would have glued a message to their door, your problem buy your own f***ing internet. you great steaming twit.
@@mospeada1152 I thought he was going to say no at first. I definitely would have said no.
Those lovely neighbors didn’t TAPE the note to their front door, they GLUED it. The police should have been called.
RE: STORY #2: When my Wife and I got married over 22 years ago, our wedding cost us a total of $150. $35,000 for a wedding is DUMB. BUT then again we only invited 6 people total.
Only those who matted to both of you. 😁
I have never understood wanting to spend thousands on a ring, many more thousands on the dress and ceremony, etc. Like surely there are better things you could spend $20k+ on 🤔 a more reliable car, paying off bills, extra mortgage repayments, a future kids college fund, etc.
@@elenalizabeth Like an old comic used to say, "We started with nothing, and we still have most of it." These overpriced events are like a dog show, with each trying to outshine each other.
@@elenalizabeth our point as well.
With today's rate of divorce, spending much more than 4 figures is most probably not the best utilisation of resources.
Story 4 - I've seen this elsewhere. The woman got billed for all the repairs/cleaning, through her CC company.
Last story - clearly EM was a sandwich short of her picnic..
The first story is beyond outrageous! As a doula, I often suggest that the parents tell those closest to them to bring food, not flowers. HOWEVER, friends and family who offer food or chores are great, but you should never expect it! Ultimately, if you choose to have a baby you know that the first few weeks are going to be really tough, so it’s a great idea to pre-fill your freezer with meals. Understand that there will be days that you never get a chance to get out of your pyjamas, and some parts of the home might get a bit dusty.
Most of the rules are reasonable but they then went a few steps too far.
That’s true. I think that even some of the ones that could be considered reasonable might be going a little too far, such as the no smokers rule, although I do understand why you would have it (especially if the people involved have asthma or other breathing issues), but ultimately, the baby is going to be exposed to cigarette smokers sooner or later. Ultimately, they need to realize that not everyone is going to live to their demands, and if they want to get some of those things (that they want the gift cards for), they might have to pay for it out of their own pocket, or just not get them! There are a lot of families that have made due over the years, without having the latest baby toys, or even things like new cribs (they might reuse one that a friend who no longer needs it had.) As far as the chores part goes, I think it should have been worded better (we are having trouble trying to keep up with the housework), and ask if someone from their network of family and friends might be willing to come over once a week, instead of demanding it..., or asking perhaps a church group to help. As far as food goes, I might see a gallon of milk, or maybe a dozen eggs (in other words 1 or 2 items, but not a whole shopping list) as being reasonable things to ask for someone to pick up if they’re coming over (and most people knowing the situation would probably call and ask if they need anything before they leave), but at the same time, they’re not obligated to. It sounds like this family didn’t really think it out, and maybe they don’t have much money for food, but yes, there are things like food pantries, or food stamps. I was wondering if maybe the mom didn’t have transportation to the store (the dad has the car at work, for instance), and they might not have alternative forms of transportation (taxis, buses, Uber, Lyft, etc.) in their area.
I do have to say that if parents pay a certain amount of money for one child to go to college. They really should save the same amount in case the other child wants to go to college later or as a down payment on a house. It's seriously playing favorites that they will support one lifestyle but not another.
I would love to know how many people actually did everything on that list I bet that baby didn’t get a lot of visitors 😂😂
I bet the new parents were complaining to everyone that no one cares enough to visit them and the baby.
The “pay for my wedding” lady was pathetic. A marriage isn’t about the wedding, it’s about two people committing to each other. My first wedding literally cost nothing. We were living well below the poverty line. My former pastor payed for the license and did the ceremony for free. We wore casual clothes and the reception was a potluck dinner with about 20 friends and my ex’s parents. It was a pretty good time for all and we were together for about 13 years (until my ex had an affair and I left.) Weddings don’t have to be expensive. If you can’t afford the dream wedding, scale back your standards or just don’t bother. It’s no one else’s responsibility to do it for you.
second story: On one hand the parents did keep saying they would pay for the wedding so they have a bit of a point in those regards
However the rest felt entitled.
also kinda feels scummy of the parents since they stole what was supposed to be her college tuition and put it into their retirement fund
Rules to see baby, if I was in her family I would straight up make it known that I will have nothing to do with that child if I have to pay to see them
When the parents repeatedly promised to pay for the wedding, all of the wedding, it is understandable that OP would expect them to pay. She asked how much the budget would be and they refused to give her any idea. The parents could have said "we spent 20k on your sister's wedding" then OP could have mentally prepared for that. Yes OP is rude with how she views her sister and her BIL and how she didn't want college, but when it comes to expecting the money she was promised for a wedding I would say she is not the a-hole. The parents should have been clear about how much they were willing to contribute instead of kicking the discussion down the road. Or you can say everyone is being an a-hole.
lets say they did tell her the price limit... wouldnt it make sense for her to use up every penny of that limit on frivolous stuff that she could sell later... the dad was being smart
2nd story yes the OP is entitled.................................................HOWEVER her parents are THIEVES! Her grandparents provided money for her college and her Parents STOLE IT! Folding the college fund money in with their retirement fund that's theft!
@@vernonjackson3435 No she did get the college fund from her Grandparents what she didn't get is the college fund her parents has saved for her which she isn't entitled to since she didn't go to college
@@jonte143 Nope Darkfluff CLEARLY Said her parents put the college funds her grandparents provided into their retirement fund, Her sister did tho, Go back and listen closer This Time! Or clean the wax out of your ears? Put new batteries in your hearing aid?🤦♂
@@vernonjackson3435 I did go back and read it so maybe it is you wow need to change the batteries in your hearing aids or maybe get some new glasses
YTA! And greedy ones. Gift card, baby gift. Chores to do. Food to bring! You deserve to have no one come see your money maker!
Quarantine that house, it is contaminated by raging insanity!
If I'm remembering correctly I've heard the 3rd story before and it gets worse. The neighbors were actually taking money from their daughter to "pay for the internet" that they weren't even paying for.
First story, those people need to get over themselves. You’re babies not special and you twos are toxic af for taking the concept of boundaries and exploiting it for gifts and free labor.
The second story too. Jeez! I get the idea of “my parents made me a college fund, I didn’t go to college, but I could use the money”, but at the same time, they don’t have to give you a penny. That’s THEIR money that they saved up and they used it as an incentive that you did not take advantage of. But, at the same time, they made a promise to pay for your whole wedding, never mentioning a budget cap. What if you got married first, and then your sister was in your current position, she’d be pissed too. It’s like, you shouldn’t ever expect any freebie, even from your own family, because you will get disappointed a lot. If your parents really wanted to be fair and even with two girls, then they actually need to make it equal.
The Karen from story 4 needs to be charged for vandalism, a cleaning fee, a repair bill and be placed on a ban list so she can never stay with that franchise again
In the first story
I bet the Entitled Mom and her husband buys little to none of the groceries and little to none of the chores and makes their poor family and friends buy all of the groceries and makes them do all of the chores. I also bet that once that poor son grows up that he will have to buy all of the groceries and do all of chores and mostly likely be forced to be a parent/free babysitter for his siblings. Those parents are not just Entitled they are also lazy and selfish. Those parents are just using that poor kid for free food, stuff, and labor. Somebody in that family needs to recuse that poor kid so he don't become as Entitled, lazy, and, selfish as his parents or be used and mistreated as those Entitled parent's family members and friends.
The wedding one is about equity. I'd demand the exact level and amount of treatment for myself that you gave to my siblings. If you can afford to do such and such for them, you can afford it for me. If you can for them but not for me? Low to no contact. Either all of your kids are your priority and get equal/equitable treatment and monetary investments (if you have the income and savings for it, don't do this if you're struggling or poor), or none of them get it. You can't choose favorites.
I believe in treating all your kids equally, but I also believe in budgets. Example: you have 2 kids, each kid is budgeted X amount of money for college, X amount for wedding equally. Should a child not get married &/or attend college, the funds can then be put into a trust to be released X age.
@@Lynn-kh5rs the issue there is OP said that her parents put her college fund into their retirement, not into something for OP, and still expected to pay the same amount for the wedding as OP's sister. The money that was meant for OP never went to her in any form from what info we have.
If the parents had lost a lot of their income in between then there wouldn't be much they could do. Also everyone is different there is no exactly equal anything.
Second story is an ESH scenario. Parents REFUSED to ever tell her the budget and then let her down after years of promising her they would pay for her wedding. Her parents set the expectation that no matter what, they would pay for the wedding in full and then backed out. I'm stunned no one recognises this side of it.
OP on the other hand is flat out being an entitled kid and should be FAR more appreciative of the help from mom and pop.
2nd story yes the OP is entitled.................................................HOWEVER her parents are THIEVES! Her grandparents provided money for her college and her Parents STOLE IT! Folding the college fund money in with their retirement fund that's theft!
Trust me. People do disgusting things in motel rooms! My brother worked maintenance for knights inn. He lost count of how many toilets he had to unbolt from the floor to remove bottles and cans from them. A favorite gross thing here seemed to be putting poop in a can, then shoving it into the toilet as hard as they could. Why? Who the heck knows! And stealing? - shower curtains, window curtains, coffee pots and blankets were among the missing. They had two homeless ladies who stayed over night thru the kindness of a church paying for them. In the morning, my brother had to try and stop them from stealing all the outside light bulbs they could reach! Police were called when the ladies got mad at them trying to stop them and started throwing the light bulbs at my brother and his maintenance supervisor! My brothers SO FREAKING happy he doesnt work there any more! (Btw - He worked there in the 80’s and 90’s)
Story 1 I was on board until rule #6
I would charge the lady in story 4 for the entire thing. A bit of revenge for her wanting a refund
Why do Karens feel it is their RIGHT to have extravagant weddings? I for one would not like to even know someone so entitled much less associated with them.
there was actually an update to the internet story. the parents were CHARGING the daughter $5 for internet
So the parents were stealing WiFi and charging their daughter for it.
I freaking hate leeches.
@@jeremydale4548 yea. The daughter actually found the Reddit post and went over to tell them. When I come to power you will be required to go through an approval process to be a parent.
Third story: it annoys me that the neighbour thinks they have a right to use OPs internet
I will admit there was a period of time when i had to borrow someone else’s internet connection (my sister’s connection), which was whenever i was at the house near the border during the time when i was going back and forth between two addresses, but once i started permanently living at that house rather than going back and forth between two addresses, we got a connection set up at this address
Hopefully you had your sister's permission.
I vote that it depends on what the parents paid for older sister's wedding AND college. If combined costs are around $25k, OP needs to shut up. $35k, the parents should pay up.
You don't book the pavilion ahead of time, you don't get to kick anyone out when they're already there. Either way, the loud music was rude and the jet skier was a total idiot.
that first story wow it's one of the most entitled stories I've ever listened to i feel bad for the sister in this story
I would've stuck that sign back on the entitled parents' door saying "Get your own f*cking internet!!!"
I would have set up a highly infected honeypot with the old name and password.😆
Get your own f*cking internet like you said you were going to do 3 months ago!!!
Last story is a good example of “this is why we can’t have nice things”.
That first story was sickening.
That first story is a doozy. “No one deserves special treatment” said by the mom literally demanding special treatment.
I would be passive aggressive if someone was using my internet. I’d setup a throttled connection and give them access to that. Hey, guys, enjoy your 3 Mbps connection!
Story 4: They should have that woman's personal info so going after her for damages shouldn't be too hard.
I do not understand these people. My first wedding cost nearly nothing. My now-ex and I got married in the college chapel, the day after graduation. We paid the music professor a small honorarium, and asked the school chaplain to officiate. We had a nice dinner that my parents paid for, and both they and my in-laws paid for several motel rooms for us and our guests, since we had to move out of our dorm rooms.
All told, rooms, food, honoraria, and the reception we had when we got home, we spent maybe a couple of grand. The fanciest bit was a seven-layer wedding cake, each layer a different flavor of New York Style cheesecake.
First story: limited visits for the baby makes sense but gifts are not.... that's just selling baby time...
Second story: being promised that didn't help with the issues at hand.... massive miscommunication
I'm surprised they had any visitors - Even if it were my brother or sister, I'd have said, "No thanks, I'll maybe visit when the kid graduates HS"
Fly in pool story: Not to mention that since she booked online the inn had her credit card info to bill damages to.
With that first story...I can kind of see why they feel a need for compensation, assuming that by visiting, they mean living with them in the house for x amount of time. It is reasonable to expect someone who is living with you to pitch in and help reduce the extra costs their presence is imposing, especially when enough people are wanting to visit that it may actually create a hardship without some sort of compensation requested. That said, the way they expressed it made it come across as a cash grab. When you demand a gift, its no longer a gift; its a payment. I think they should have rephrased the rules to say they couldn't afford to cover all the costs of everyone's' visits and would need visitors to pitch in with chores and with meal costs. Gifts would be appreciated, but are optional since your presence is a gift in and of itself.
They stipulated the visit would be limited to an hour. So they weren't feeding or housing people as the visitors wouldn't have time to enjoy a meal with the parents. They essentially only wanted people to pick time slots to come over, bring food for them to enjoy,, glance at the baby and do chores for the hour they are allowed to "visit". They probably scheduled the visits to coincide with meal times too lol.
I would have told such entitled expecting parents that the only parts of their list I saw were an "F" and a "U".
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What makes the couple in the first story special to receive gifts and do chores to see their baby over other babies that don't require this obligation?!
I was engaged until early last year (VERY LONG STORY) I was looking at prices though not many people were going to be in attendance I got everything with 50 guests for about 6k. I am also a very frugal person and look for bargins and sales where I can... 35k just seems obnoxious.
Just about every Hotel requires a Credit Card to check in and I bet hers got Charged for ALL the damages she caused...
Absolutely! I worked in Hospitality for many years at various chains.
No wedding is worth spending $35,000 for a wedding!! Do a small wedding and refi the townhouse!!!!
I know I'm not through the whole first story, how ever are they NUTS,I get about some of the rules. Just the part about bringing gift cards,are you kidding me, that's STUPID, they have gone over the edge on that.
That officer really just didn't want the paperwork.f
OP and hubby are delusional ...Do not think a lot of people are ever going to see the kid ..
I wouldn't even want to see the parents after that list of demands.
if they paid for their daughter to go college and then their wedding while she moved out sooner and didn't get her college paid by them it does seem a bit unfair
Could you imagine if Basil Fawlty was the one dealing with the German Karen?
Regarding the wedding story, I tried to do everything fairly between my kids so for example if I get one kid $100 worth of gifts for their birthday or Christmas then I get the others the same amount because that's only fair. The same should apply here and with any other instance, if you're going to pay for one child's college fund then you should be able to pay the same amount to any of your other kids for anything they might need like a college fund or a wedding. I honestly struggle with the fact that I wonder sometimes if my parents really did ever love me because my dad favors my one sister and my mom favors my other sister and I feel like I'm just stuck in the middle and it has caused a lot of trauma for me emotionally and mentally. Please, if you have children, do not favor one over the other because it does hurt