@BailiffQuimby I haven't seen Cliffe address the Old Testament much. When he did, he talked about how the rules laid out in leveticus and deutronomy were for a theocracy, but that a theocracy was only releveant for that time and place and not neccessarily all, not the current time. But that doesn't justify those laws. However it does seem that the commandment is talking about murder rather then all instances of killing.
God doesn't believe in moral absolutes either. Thou shalt not kill, except for the plethora of times God personally kills and times when he commands his people to kill in his name....
@Bernardatious "But just because we're all equal, that does not mean we don't have the right to tell someone they are wrong." Sorry, isn't that was Christians do all the time?
@lookatmepleasesir Hello :) That is true, their motives were amoral but who are you or I to say? Who is any one to say what is right and wrong and expect others to follow? In one community certain things are accepted even encouraged in others you could be jailed or killed. Which group has the authority to say to the other 'you are wrong'? Are we not all equal? That is the point, we are. So who says?
@Bernardatious Hello. I can see your point, but scientifically speaking when things or forces are equal they can cancel each other out or add to the power of the other. I can say you are wrong, it doesn't make me right. As we are equal my perspective on 'right and wrong' is as valid as yours. Without a higher power, I cannot with certainity say to another person you are wrong, I recite their actions, I can call them immoral but what right do I have? Only God has it, because he is the author.
@lookatmepleasesir "it does seem that the commandment is talking about murder rather then all instances of killing. " Perhaps. But most people could count pillaging and ransacking a city for the purpose of genocide, and collecting sex slaves to fall under the category of murder (and then some). Really, the commandment only applied to Jews killing other Jews, and only when God didn't say they deserved it.
@Bernardatious "We are all equal in the sight of God" Not true. In the bible, God makes it clear that he does not see people who worship other gods or people who worship no gods as "equal" to his own followers. "which means we will all (ultimately) be judged fairly" How is it "fairly" if his judgement is based on his own subjective narcissistic laws?
@Bernardatious That's an old excuse and one completely unsupported by the bible itself. Nowhere does god specify which laws are for everyone and which are just for "people under that government." Moreover, civil law or not, god endorsing slavery is still deplorable, and the fact that he didn't specifically BAN slavery (and rape and assault) in his "moral law" section is also deplorable.
Romans 1:19=20 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse seriously people it's obvious God exists he has made it clear through his creation if you cant see that then your a fool!
@dec0y8 Humans & other social animals evolved morals as a means of group survival. Individuals who help their group are not banished and thus reproduce. The Nazis only prove that morals are relative. Their group murdered millions & no individuals were banished for it. Why wasn't God giving absolute morals then? Even the current Pope was a Nazi. Fortunately some of us have empathy for all humans and so can relate to the pain of others. Do to others as you would if you walked in their shoes.
Dude you can’t ask me questions but he can lol
I’ll never understand why people get so angry when someone espouses their beliefs.
Just because we can create a moral dilemma, doesn't mean there are no absolutes.
Jesus often answered questions with a question, so the brown t-shirt man makes a copout statement
@Bernardatious I'm not video-hopping, sorry. If he has any good points to make, summarize them here please?
The fool says in his heart,
“There is no God.”
They are corrupt, their deeds are vile;
there is no one who does good.
Psalm 14:1-3
We don't need secularism to tell us what is right and wrong either.
@BailiffQuimby I haven't seen Cliffe address the Old Testament much. When he did, he talked about how the rules laid out in leveticus and deutronomy were for a theocracy, but that a theocracy was only releveant for that time and place and not neccessarily all, not the current time. But that doesn't justify those laws. However it does seem that the commandment is talking about murder rather then all instances of killing.
God doesn't believe in moral absolutes either. Thou shalt not kill, except for the plethora of times God personally kills and times when he commands his people to kill in his name....
@Bernardatious
"But just because we're all equal, that does not mean we don't have the right to tell someone they are wrong."
Sorry, isn't that was Christians do all the time?
5:39 WHAT???
@lookatmepleasesir Hello :) That is true, their motives were amoral but who are you or I to say? Who is any one to say what is right and wrong and expect others to follow? In one community certain things are accepted even encouraged in others you could be jailed or killed. Which group has the authority to say to the other 'you are wrong'? Are we not all equal? That is the point, we are. So who says?
@Bernardatious Hello. I can see your point, but scientifically speaking when things or forces are equal they can cancel each other out or add to the power of the other. I can say you are wrong, it doesn't make me right. As we are equal my perspective on 'right and wrong' is as valid as yours. Without a higher power, I cannot with certainity say to another person you are wrong, I recite their actions, I can call them immoral but what right do I have? Only God has it, because he is the author.
@lookatmepleasesir "it does seem that the commandment is talking about murder rather then all instances of killing. "
Perhaps. But most people could count pillaging and ransacking a city for the purpose of genocide, and collecting sex slaves to fall under the category of murder (and then some). Really, the commandment only applied to Jews killing other Jews, and only when God didn't say they deserved it.
@Bernardatious "We are all equal in the sight of God"
Not true. In the bible, God makes it clear that he does not see people who worship other gods or people who worship no gods as "equal" to his own followers.
"which means we will all (ultimately) be judged fairly"
How is it "fairly" if his judgement is based on his own subjective narcissistic laws?
@Bernardatious That's an old excuse and one completely unsupported by the bible itself. Nowhere does god specify which laws are for everyone and which are just for "people under that government." Moreover, civil law or not, god endorsing slavery is still deplorable, and the fact that he didn't specifically BAN slavery (and rape and assault) in his "moral law" section is also deplorable.
Romans 1:19=20 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse
seriously people it's obvious God exists he has made it clear through his creation if you cant see that then your a fool!
@dec0y8 Humans & other social animals evolved morals as a means of group survival. Individuals who help their group are not banished and thus reproduce.
The Nazis only prove that morals are relative. Their group murdered millions & no individuals were banished for it. Why wasn't God giving absolute morals then? Even the current Pope was a Nazi.
Fortunately some of us have empathy for all humans and so can relate to the pain of others. Do to others as you would if you walked in their shoes.