I just can't get enough of these video's... It always amazes me to see how far people are willing to go in order to hold on to their secular worldview when confronted with truth.
My granddaughter pointed me to this pastor. I have been a christian for over 40 years. I have read and studied the word of God more times than I can count over those 40 years. I have learned more about how to understand the gosple, apply it, how it relates to our day. Better than I have been able to grasp through the teachings of others. So that I too, may bring others unto Christ! I know God lives and Jesus is the Christ! Thanks so much Cliff! Your video's have been life changing for me!
The young gentleman says his speeches won't last long...lol he's still going and preaching! God Bless you brother! Looking forward to meeting you one day!
Wow Cliff thanks for going to these colleges and contending for the Faith. These kids are having their hope destroyed in school. God Bless you, and your staff.
Cliff, I can’t begin to tell you how much I appreciate your ministry! Your communication skills are through the roof! Not to mention your insight, and your patience with some of these students. Obviously, some are very kind and respectful, and many of them are very intelligent… But, so many of them don’t make any logical, valid arguments at all and aside from that, they are downright arrogant and condescending. I sit and watch you present rock solid, irrefutable, arguments, and yet they refuse to acknowledge that you are right. Thank you so much for your commitment to Christ, and to this incredible ministry he has given you. You truly are making a difference in so many lives! God‘s best to you!
Mere foreknowledge of a person's freely chosen actions does not preclude or prevent free will in any way. If you believe that it does, then you need to provide some evidence that that is the case. Fortunately, there is no such evidence in existence.
Cliffe, its amazing you have so much patience talking to this students. I hope they'll investigate the evidence of Jesus and his resurrection and make rational conclusion for themselves instead of simply dismissing the truth about Jesus.
"The fool says in his heart, 'There is no God'". This video shows how foolish it is and how hard you have to argue around the evidence which supports intelligent design. Cliff is speaking common sense, and these kids keep having to jump through hoops in order to support their ridiculous hypothesis.
***** Very well put man :). & also beautifully put by Cliffe in the video by 12:20 of explaining that last example to the boy of the moral absolute of what love is defined as, Cliffe you rock.
DANIEL W. Sad but true. This people rather believe a lie to accommodate a love for SIN. This are the ones they are about to buy the great deception. That is about to spill the pope .about alien's and no GOD.
Having thoroughly considered all the relevant data, I freely chose to come to the understanding, based on the relevant data, that we have free will. To the believer in determinism: Was your decision to propagate the belief that we have no free will: a) freely chosen, based on the relevant data or b) pre-determined by genetic and environmental factors? If a, then we have free will. If b, then your conclusion is unscientific and cannot be accepted as factual.
Thank you for your comment. I can understand your thoughts clearly because I was once an atheist and I refused to believe that there was a God. And the Bible was nothing more than a fairy tale to appease the hearts of the weak and the excuse that most used to justify their lifestyles and choices. But I realized I was grossly misinformed, uneducated, and lacked the common sense to really see the truth evidenced around me. Because it is quite obvious that God had made everything, including myself
There is a reason why the term "my ONLY begotten son" is so important. The people at that time were mostly pagan romans/greeks, and would have seen a religion about a deity and a son as the same as Zeus and his many progeny. Hence, the need to say 'ONLY begotten son" to lay out the difference. Same with Jesus when he said "I am the TRUE vine" at that time the god of the vine was Dionysus, a wide cult. Jesus was clearly contrasting himself with Dionysus.
I really wish we could be on stage somewhere. "Who dies for things we know are untrue". Ummm.... 911 attackers died because they thought they were going to paradise. Next! HUGE laughter from millions of people. Amazing how dense some people can be. TRULY stunning.
This has to be the most depressing video in my life. After seeing the fall out of ignoring the repercussions of ignoring critical thinking skills in the WMDs in Iraq (Burden of proof,etc.) who would want to turn around and NOT learn their lessons and invite another disaster? Almost like seeing your home burn down because you left the stove on, and then leaving the stove on when you get your next home.
Only problem, of course, is that this is actually something that he conclusively disproved. If an object has a sufficiently high upward velocity, gravity, weakening evermore with increasing distance, will not be able to bring the object down. It will be in a 'hyperbolic' orbit. In other words, it is popularly attributed to him, but it is unlikely that he said it.
@16:30, "Putting a theory to an unknown" and you feel better about the theory of evolution? Shallow mind accepts chance. @19:47, Cliffe it is not your skepticism it is your wisdom acquired over those years. I remember when I turned 23 and realized how smart my father was.
Yes, there are biochemical reactions but that doesn't mean humans are just biological robots. That we can figure out how a car works doesn't mean there is no driver.
This same kid that keeps mentioning how Cliff is creating a theory is actually paying that school to have other people teach him all about the theory's that have been created by other people. Atheist always seem so angry with Christians. I wonder if they hold that same anger with Muslims or Buddhists? I doubt it. You never hear of them debating Muslims or Buddhists or Hindus. I know and understand why this is but I wish someone would put it to the test and pretend to be a Muslim and do what Cliff is doing. The only people that would debate them would probably be just Christians
The last person I interacted with on this site belligerently claimed that he didn't NEED to answer my questions. Which, of course, is a hoot because it violates the whole POINT of this "Give me an answer" site. Akin to people asking questions about their cars on a site devoted to that issue, and the only response is "we don't answer car questions here!".
I'm not sure what the historical manner means, other than that the people that wrote it believed it. But belief is not the same as proof. One key reason that the burden of proof is so heavily used in the law. As you know, you don't need to "prove" you didn't kill some person on some night, the state needs to bring compelling evidence that you commited the crime. You really need to read up on the burden of proof. Just because someone writes something down doesn't make it true. AKA Scientology.
The kids tree argument is absolutely terrible. He's comparing the accidental configuring of mindless apples falling from a tree to the thought out perfect creation of the universe. Unbelievable smh
It always bewilders me how many of these kids equate God knowing everything with no free will. How does the one follow the other. If I know that one of them intends to rob a bank and they fob it, does that mean I caused them to rob it?
Why have a section called "Give me an answer" when you can't in fact give some one an answer? Isn't that like a store that advertises selling MP3 players instead tazing people that ask for the MP3 players they went out of their way to advertise? In any case ifI was on the fence, now you pushed me clear off.
We know why E=MC2 is true. You can measure these things, and they have to be true for atom bombs to work. There is no reason to believe that religious books are nothing more than words that people wrote down, that guide them spiritually perhaps, but don't have any reason to assume that the mytholigical creatures in them like deities and unicorns are actually real.
How is there free will if God already knows? What is the causal link between your free will & God's knowledge? God knows what will happen in every moment, because he is constantly in every moment. You have a future, present, & past. God is, thus 'I AM' is the statement of God's being. Infinitely powerful, able, & presence, should have let those people know God can act in every moment through eternity & is active. God Bless
The latter was folk wisdom, and of course if you place a satellite in orbit, or better yet send it out of the solar system, it will never come back down. The former is tested in particle accelerators every single day. They can measure how mass and energy interconvert. And the formula always works. Also, of course, it was part of the path to the atom bomb. I'm not sure where you are going with any of this.
The evolution to work together argument always fails because it doesn't match reality. If his argument is true that rape, murder is not conducive to the continuing the species why do we see animals rape and murder why do males kill each other because who wins get the most females meaning the most aggressive and most violent ensure there gene pool survives. Lets look at humans who gets to sleep with the most women is it the nice guys who care and love and become attached to a single person for long periods of time or is it the jerk who will lie cheat steal to get into any females pants then immediately move on who is more likely to have the most children with the most variation of genes it is the jerk and we all know it to then turn around and say we evolved to care to survive to love to reproduce that we don't hurt because of fear of reprisal is nonsense and the evidence that we can observe indicates that the if evolution is the truth and there is no God then the most cut throat succeeds the strongest the most aggressive not the gentle and mild. Also think if we did "evolve" to be kind because we get when we give then the most powerful people should also be the most giving but once again we find the most powerful are generally the most cut throat. It is a really dishonest stance to try to use the argument that evolving to work together is why we have morality and kindness when it is clear that is not how the world actually works just ask yourself if what he says is true why do we have sayings like "Nice guys finish last" and "Survival of the fittest" if what he said is true we should instead have "Bad guys finish last" And "Survival of the kindest" only need to think for a short time to see the truth.
His argument for intelligent design that comes about by chance is "Look there is a picture of someone on my toast". Common dude! Do you hear yourself talk or what? That was an idiotic line of thinking. A burn mark that you interpret to be somebody is intelligent design? Quit college right now, nobody can help you!
The Christian church developed from the Roman Catholic Church, and that developed from the pagan Roman Empire. But this lineage is key to understanding how these myths were made up - the early roman empire had no real religion, they borrowed religions of the nations they invaded. Like Greece, etc. So why not assume they kept on doing that and combined the Jewish faith and the cult of Dionysus. Most of the core "christian" ideas originate from those 2 sources.
Actually there is a much stronger case for alien abduction etc. We can interview the people that have made these claims (unlike the people of the bible), millions of people have "claimed" to have seen a UFO, many many people have written books about UFOs, and there are numerous experts : Scientists, Astronauts, Pilots, pretty much every category you can name. Even a well known and respected Harvard psycologist has backed the idea of alien abductions. His name is John Mack.
1:There is no free will! 2:Ok believe in Jesus as God who created our universe! 1:No! 2:Free will proven! You disobeyed a command a computer has no free will it cannot disobey a command.
And seeing how Newton explained the motion of the planets through calculus and their resulting elliptical orbits (for many planets) I highly doubt he ever said such a thing. Remember the earlier views of planets and their motions was a mess - all after the fact. After Newton they could predict where the planets would go, not post dict them. And then build rockets, send men to the moon, yada yada. Sorry, nothing you posted has any relevance.
thecgg: If you believe in UFOs, WMDs, Lochness, Yeti, unicorns, etc. fine. Don't expect me to believe without some solid evidence. Why is this attitude wrong?
Cliffe would benefit from taking some high school biology, astronomy, and logic. He jumps from one topic to the other, trying to get that gotcha moment. This man has been indoctrinated and reprogrammed to never change his stance on his religion.
LOL. Funny, someone claiming that all knowledge is relative from someone using a computer/cell phone, which depends on physics and math to be correct to work. Oh, the self destroying statements are the best. Will they keep refining things around the edges? Sure, Einstein did that to Newton. But Einstein didn't overturn Newton, Newton's laws still work as long as certain conditions are met.
Plus, the fact that unicorns - clear mythological creatures - are mentioned so many times in the OT and NT makes me think that these are books of mythology. Any deity worth its salt would know they were not real and would never permit unicorns to be included in his books.
The real point is that we don't need the bible being true to explain ANYTHING. A group of people (early jews) came up with some good rules to run their lives and prosper. The people that followed the rules lived and had children, those that didn't died. The rules have been refined over the ages by natural selection. God is simply a culture slowly adapting to the ages to keep the group growing. Look at the Mormons - is their growth more due to god or the fact they had multiple wives?
The TRUTH is that no one outside the bible bothered to write about Jesus until he was long dead. Christianity is simply a combination of the cult of Dionysus and the Jewish faith, period. Nothing of importance can't be traced to these two sources. (Dionysus behaved much like Jesus - not a fighter like Hercules, another "son" of a God, for example). Just excise the naughty bits to conform to Jewish ideas on sin. And even worse - burden of proof has not been met on Yahweh, Jesus, Allah, etc.
There are only 2 consistent world views. Infinite skepticism or Christianity. Everything else is inconsistent with reality. Including the infinite skepticism lol
Your belief system can be summarized as such "I believe the bible because the bible says its true". If the bible was simply a book of mythology, like the hindu scriptures or the Koran or the buddhist writings, would we be able to tell the difference? I don't see how we can differentiate the Koran from the OT from the NT from the Mormon Bible. It's all wild tales, with no outside evidence of the supernatural stuff, that no one should believe with out evidence.
And I'm sure you know that the cult of Dionysus merging with the early Jewish church explains 99% of christianity? Rising and dying, sin and heaven, wine miracles, mother a mortal and father a deity, mother raised to heaven and worshipped by some, eating of the body and drinking of the blood. Sorry, you got nothing.
I just can't get enough of these video's... It always amazes me to see how far people are willing to go in order to hold on to their secular worldview when confronted with truth.
My granddaughter pointed me to this pastor. I have been a christian for over 40 years. I have read and studied the word of God more times than I can count over those 40 years. I have learned more about how to understand the gosple, apply it, how it relates to our day. Better than I have been able to grasp through the teachings of others. So that I too, may bring others unto Christ! I know God lives and Jesus is the Christ! Thanks so much Cliff! Your video's have been life changing for me!
The young gentleman says his speeches won't last long...lol he's still going and preaching! God Bless you brother! Looking forward to meeting you one day!
Wow Cliff thanks for going to these colleges and contending for the Faith. These kids are having their hope destroyed in school. God Bless you, and your staff.
How disrespectful was that guy for walking away while Cliffe was speaking?
We see that too often. They are backed into a corner so they walk away.
When?
@Evan Jeffrey does it work on private accounts?
19:50
These kids are determined to misunderstand. So much wasted energy by their dogmatic materialism. Cliffe very patient. Peace
It's sooooo awesome of the way this Professor the way of how he can discuss Our heavenly Father to these young College students
these college students are lost and we need to pray for them please people!! that's all I have to say.
I love this guy!!!!
I'm convinced that the little queen with the glasses and the pink T-shirt's favorite word is "stimulus."
He probably just learned it that week.
Cliff, I can’t begin to tell you how much I appreciate your ministry! Your communication skills are through the roof! Not to mention your insight, and your patience with some of these students. Obviously, some are very kind and respectful, and many of them are very intelligent… But, so many of them don’t make any logical, valid arguments at all and aside from that, they are downright arrogant and condescending. I sit and watch you present rock solid, irrefutable, arguments, and yet they refuse to acknowledge that you are right. Thank you so much for your commitment to Christ, and to this incredible ministry he has given you. You truly are making a difference in so many lives! God‘s best to you!
LOL. These discussions always make me laugh. When you ask for actual answers they go into a rage. LOL.
Mere foreknowledge of a person's freely chosen actions does not preclude or prevent free will in any way.
If you believe that it does, then you need to provide some evidence that that is the case.
Fortunately, there is no such evidence in existence.
Cliffe, you are blessing from God, keep being you.
All I can say is: “these kids are tripping with that logic” 🤦🏻♀️
Cliffe, its amazing you have so much patience talking to this students. I hope they'll investigate the evidence of Jesus and his resurrection and make rational conclusion for themselves instead of simply dismissing the truth about Jesus.
"The fool says in his heart, 'There is no God'". This video shows how foolish it is and how hard you have to argue around
the evidence which supports intelligent design. Cliff is speaking common sense, and these kids keep having to jump through hoops in order to support their ridiculous hypothesis.
***** Very well put man :). & also beautifully put by Cliffe in the video by 12:20 of explaining that last example to the boy of the moral absolute of what love is defined as, Cliffe you rock.
Exactly, Daniel!
DANIEL W. Sad but true. This people rather believe a lie to accommodate a love for SIN. This are the ones they are about to buy the great deception. That is about to spill the pope .about alien's and no GOD.
BE REFRESHED AND RENEWED BY THE WORD OF GOD. BIBLE SPEAKS. HEALS. SAVES. ENCOURAGES.
Having thoroughly considered all the relevant data, I freely chose to come to the understanding,
based on the relevant data, that we have free will.
To the believer in determinism:
Was your decision to propagate the belief that we have no free will:
a) freely chosen, based on the relevant data
or
b) pre-determined by genetic and environmental factors?
If a, then we have free will.
If b, then your conclusion is unscientific and cannot be accepted as factual.
i need more episodes!!!
I would like to visit your church one day, thanks Cliffe
I love these give me an answer uploads.. im always hanging out for the next one to come along.
Thank you for your comment. I can understand your thoughts clearly because I was once an atheist and I refused to believe that there was a God. And the Bible was nothing more than a fairy tale to appease the hearts of the weak and the excuse that most used to justify their lifestyles and choices. But I realized I was grossly misinformed, uneducated, and lacked the common sense to really see the truth evidenced around me. Because it is quite obvious that God had made everything, including myself
Cliffe toughed it out I love it.
I love the theme song. And everything cliff does and says God bless you brother
Without God, there could be no objective reason to empathize with anyone, and yet there is.
There is a reason why the term "my ONLY begotten son" is so important. The people at that time were mostly pagan romans/greeks, and would have seen a religion about a deity and a son as the same as Zeus and his many progeny. Hence, the need to say 'ONLY begotten son" to lay out the difference.
Same with Jesus when he said "I am the TRUE vine" at that time the god of the vine was Dionysus, a wide cult. Jesus was clearly contrasting himself with Dionysus.
I really wish we could be on stage somewhere. "Who dies for things we know are untrue". Ummm.... 911 attackers died because they thought they were going to paradise. Next!
HUGE laughter from millions of people. Amazing how dense some people can be. TRULY stunning.
They died because they believed it WAS true. Nice job missing the point, shall we all laugh now?
The terrorists on 9/11 firmly believed in their cause and they chose to die for it. Doesn't make their belief correct or moral.
I love you cliff
This has to be the most depressing video in my life. After seeing the fall out of ignoring the repercussions of ignoring critical thinking skills in the WMDs in Iraq (Burden of proof,etc.) who would want to turn around and NOT learn their lessons and invite another disaster? Almost like seeing your home burn down because you left the stove on, and then leaving the stove on when you get your next home.
Only problem, of course, is that this is actually something that he conclusively disproved. If an object has a sufficiently high upward velocity, gravity, weakening evermore with increasing distance, will not be able to bring the object down. It will be in a 'hyperbolic' orbit.
In other words, it is popularly attributed to him, but it is unlikely that he said it.
Wow big love from maui hawaii
@16:30, "Putting a theory to an unknown" and you feel better about the theory of evolution? Shallow mind accepts chance. @19:47, Cliffe it is not your skepticism it is your wisdom acquired over those years. I remember when I turned 23 and realized how smart my father was.
Yes, there are biochemical reactions but that doesn't mean humans are just biological robots. That we can figure out how a car works doesn't mean there is no driver.
This same kid that keeps mentioning how Cliff is creating a theory is actually paying that school to have other people teach him all about the theory's that have been created by other people. Atheist always seem so angry with Christians. I wonder if they hold that same anger with Muslims or Buddhists? I doubt it. You never hear of them debating Muslims or Buddhists or Hindus. I know and understand why this is but I wish someone would put it to the test and pretend to be a Muslim and do what Cliff is doing. The only people that would debate them would probably be just Christians
The last person I interacted with on this site belligerently claimed that he didn't NEED to answer my questions. Which, of course, is a hoot because it violates the whole POINT of this "Give me an answer" site. Akin to people asking questions about their cars on a site devoted to that issue, and the only response is "we don't answer car questions here!".
thanks cliff...to post more videos....cliff how can i see ur debate with micheal newdow please?
Any got the link to full video?
I'm not sure what the historical manner means, other than that the people that wrote it believed it. But belief is not the same as proof. One key reason that the burden of proof is so heavily used in the law. As you know, you don't need to "prove" you didn't kill some person on some night, the state needs to bring compelling evidence that you commited the crime. You really need to read up on the burden of proof. Just because someone writes something down doesn't make it true. AKA Scientology.
The kids tree argument is absolutely terrible. He's comparing the accidental configuring of mindless apples falling from a tree to the thought out perfect creation of the universe. Unbelievable smh
Betcha the guy in the black jacket drives an IROC Z
lol
It always bewilders me how many of these kids equate God knowing everything with no free will. How does the one follow the other. If I know that one of them intends to rob a bank and they fob it, does that mean I caused them to rob it?
Why have a section called "Give me an answer" when you can't in fact give some one an answer? Isn't that like a store that advertises selling MP3 players instead tazing people that ask for the MP3 players they went out of their way to advertise? In any case ifI was on the fence, now you pushed me clear off.
What wasn’t answered?
haha Cliffe wrecking students... gotta LOVE it!
6:06
The guy says morality is a pragmatic survival technique, but that is only to say that there is no morality.
👍👍👍
20:07 ---- ideia
@sandrock605 where does he say that?
We know why E=MC2 is true. You can measure these things, and they have to be true for atom bombs to work. There is no reason to believe that religious books are nothing more than words that people wrote down, that guide them spiritually perhaps, but don't have any reason to assume that the mytholigical creatures in them like deities and unicorns are actually real.
15:38 lmao
How is there free will if God already knows? What is the causal link between your free will & God's knowledge? God knows what will happen in every moment, because he is constantly in every moment. You have a future, present, & past. God is, thus 'I AM' is the statement of God's being. Infinitely powerful, able, & presence, should have let those people know God can act in every moment through eternity & is active.
God Bless
Nobody was gonna tell Cliffe that he was about to get stung in the head by a bee???
these kids spend way too much time trying to break cliffe's analogy instead of actually thinking
The latter was folk wisdom, and of course if you place a satellite in orbit, or better yet send it out of the solar system, it will never come back down.
The former is tested in particle accelerators every single day. They can measure how mass and energy interconvert. And the formula always works. Also, of course, it was part of the path to the atom bomb.
I'm not sure where you are going with any of this.
The evolution to work together argument always fails because it doesn't match reality. If his argument is true that rape, murder is not conducive to the continuing the species why do we see animals rape and murder why do males kill each other because who wins get the most females meaning the most aggressive and most violent ensure there gene pool survives. Lets look at humans who gets to sleep with the most women is it the nice guys who care and love and become attached to a single person for long periods of time or is it the jerk who will lie cheat steal to get into any females pants then immediately move on who is more likely to have the most children with the most variation of genes it is the jerk and we all know it to then turn around and say we evolved to care to survive to love to reproduce that we don't hurt because of fear of reprisal is nonsense and the evidence that we can observe indicates that the if evolution is the truth and there is no God then the most cut throat succeeds the strongest the most aggressive not the gentle and mild. Also think if we did "evolve" to be kind because we get when we give then the most powerful people should also be the most giving but once again we find the most powerful are generally the most cut throat. It is a really dishonest stance to try to use the argument that evolving to work together is why we have morality and kindness when it is clear that is not how the world actually works just ask yourself if what he says is true why do we have sayings like "Nice guys finish last" and "Survival of the fittest" if what he said is true we should instead have "Bad guys finish last" And "Survival of the kindest" only need to think for a short time to see the truth.
His argument for intelligent design that comes about by chance is "Look there is a picture of someone on my toast". Common dude! Do you hear yourself talk or what? That was an idiotic line of thinking. A burn mark that you interpret to be somebody is intelligent design? Quit college right now, nobody can help you!
God knows what’s gonna happen, but you don’t know what’s gonna happen
snarky snark is rampant here
The Christian church developed from the Roman Catholic Church, and that developed from the pagan Roman Empire. But this lineage is key to understanding how these myths were made up - the early roman empire had no real religion, they borrowed religions of the nations they invaded. Like Greece, etc. So why not assume they kept on doing that and combined the Jewish faith and the cult of Dionysus. Most of the core "christian" ideas originate from those 2 sources.
James: So in other words you have zero evidence. Just brain trauma.
Actually there is a much stronger case for alien abduction etc. We can interview the people that have made these claims (unlike the people of the bible), millions of people have "claimed" to have seen a UFO, many many people have written books about UFOs, and there are numerous experts : Scientists, Astronauts, Pilots, pretty much every category you can name. Even a well known and respected Harvard psycologist has backed the idea of alien abductions. His name is John Mack.
1:There is no free will!
2:Ok believe in Jesus as God who created our universe!
1:No!
2:Free will proven! You disobeyed a command a computer has no free will it cannot disobey a command.
And seeing how Newton explained the motion of the planets through calculus and their resulting elliptical orbits (for many planets) I highly doubt he ever said such a thing. Remember the earlier views of planets and their motions was a mess - all after the fact. After Newton they could predict where the planets would go, not post dict them. And then build rockets, send men to the moon, yada yada. Sorry, nothing you posted has any relevance.
Oh, the music came on, so I guess Cliffs wins again. Hahha
thecgg: If you believe in UFOs, WMDs, Lochness, Yeti, unicorns, etc. fine. Don't expect me to believe without some solid evidence. Why is this attitude wrong?
Cliffe would benefit from taking some high school biology, astronomy, and logic. He jumps from one topic to the other, trying to get that gotcha moment. This man has been indoctrinated and reprogrammed to never change his stance on his religion.
LOL. Funny, someone claiming that all knowledge is relative from someone using a computer/cell phone, which depends on physics and math to be correct to work. Oh, the self destroying statements are the best.
Will they keep refining things around the edges? Sure, Einstein did that to Newton. But Einstein didn't overturn Newton, Newton's laws still work as long as certain conditions are met.
LOL. So a belief in something makes it true? I guess Harry Potter is real then, many children believe in all those stories.
Cliff is not a Calvinist :)
Plus, the fact that unicorns - clear mythological creatures - are mentioned so many times in the OT and NT makes me think that these are books of mythology. Any deity worth its salt would know they were not real and would never permit unicorns to be included in his books.
If God knows everything that's going to happen why doesent he destroy evil? JESUS'S WORK ON THE CROSS OF CALVARY. AMEN!
The real point is that we don't need the bible being true to explain ANYTHING. A group of people (early jews) came up with some good rules to run their lives and prosper. The people that followed the rules lived and had children, those that didn't died. The rules have been refined over the ages by natural selection. God is simply a culture slowly adapting to the ages to keep the group growing.
Look at the Mormons - is their growth more due to god or the fact they had multiple wives?
The TRUTH is that no one outside the bible bothered to write about Jesus until he was long dead. Christianity is simply a combination of the cult of Dionysus and the Jewish faith, period. Nothing of importance can't be traced to these two sources. (Dionysus behaved much like Jesus - not a fighter like Hercules, another "son" of a God, for example). Just excise the naughty bits to conform to Jewish ideas on sin. And even worse - burden of proof has not been met on Yahweh, Jesus, Allah, etc.
There are only 2 consistent world views. Infinite skepticism or Christianity.
Everything else is inconsistent with reality. Including the infinite skepticism lol
Your belief system can be summarized as such "I believe the bible because the bible says its true". If the bible was simply a book of mythology, like the hindu scriptures or the Koran or the buddhist writings, would we be able to tell the difference? I don't see how we can differentiate the Koran from the OT from the NT from the Mormon Bible. It's all wild tales, with no outside evidence of the supernatural stuff, that no one should believe with out evidence.
And I'm sure you know that the cult of Dionysus merging with the early Jewish church explains 99% of christianity? Rising and dying, sin and heaven, wine miracles, mother a mortal and father a deity, mother raised to heaven and worshipped by some, eating of the body and drinking of the blood. Sorry, you got nothing.
Love Cliffe but he always gets hung up on free will ...... There is no free will God controls everything
k Calvin...
No evidence outside the bible for any deities. You might as well worship Thor.