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Plot twist the case that was stolen was empty. I think there’s about five different theories this could go. Lots of people find it very hard to believe someone would just ignore $2 million sitting in a pelican case unattended.
Even identifying just ONE card from this lot at a local card shop or on someone who bought it can trace back to these losers. That’s the amazing thing.
Remember a card is only worth as someone is willing to pay for it. All these could be sold for half the price on the black market.
Never dawned on me these dealers are attending shows with several million dollars in inventory. One has to wonder what other opportunist will be trying something similar if not just flat out armed robbery.
Utilize technology. With how affordable cameras are today, each expensive case you have, hide a small camera on each case or even an AirTag at each show. $25-$50 to protect a 1.5m dollar asset.
Definitely
airtags (and any bluetooth tracker with the new iOS) will alert the person that it is moving with the tracker that an unidentified tracker is moving with them so this no longer works. needs a GPS tracker like one for your dog.
@@clavin2499 Airtags would work, these cases have locks. It probably did not take long for them to realize what had happened. as soon as your airtag device leaves your vicinity the owner of the device will be alerted and they can track you down. This was in texas where you can shoot to kill if someone is robbing you.
The fact that these guys are even there with 1.5M in cards, unguarded with no security is going to be a bigger problem for the community. The casual handling of this amount of value is a problem and this is likely just the tip of the iceberg.
@KarpKollector 3 employees, making, what? $20/hr? Thats who you want in charge of 1.5M in inventory? Exactly how this happened, and will continue to happen. Rob a bank for 10k or rob a card show for 1.5M?
@KarpKollector These are people that steal for a living, they're not really smart enough to look at the repercussions of their actions. All they see is 1.5M in cards guarded by a handful of card nerds. Easy pickings, unfortunately.
@@lmar206 Pretty sure 2 of the 3 are Ash's sons.
I think grading companies should start flagging all slab certification numbers that have been reported stolen. The original owner of the slab would have to show proof of theft to the grading company by getting a copy of the police report for them to review, but something in this manner has to be done in order to maintain integrity.
But then the new scam would be selling slabs then reporting the cert to get it back. Also, not for nothing but grading companies don't lose money or any business when their slabs are stolen from private owners. They're not going to get involved in that headache. Especially not the big ones
Crappy tattoos straight out of whatnot. 😂😂😂
Fake tattoos 100%
Insurance fraud for two reasons.1. Cards are priced way too high...2. All of these exp cards were in one case and left out in a suspicious area
I don't think so. Hard for me to believe the dealer would be making this so public if it was insurance fraud.
@@clarkg5946huh?
@@clarkg5946well.. you would have to either way.. it would be even more suspicious if he wasn’t wouldn’t it 🤷♂️
@clarkg5946 that makes it more believable.
Please help me find my expensive cards that got stolen and were just left unwatched.
It's and inside job either way, how did they know the exact case to take?
Oh it’s for sure this. There is no doubt on that actually (if you know you know).
They will be cracked and damaged lightly more to be able to resale…these guys are professionals
They would need to remove previous stains, creases, and other imperfections first.
@@metricmonte6768 yup some of that will happen and it will be harder to prove it’s the same card if you add more of a crease to a card or have cleaner like Kurt!
They’re likely going to sell to private collectors in Dubai or somewhere similar.
That or they “should” hold on to it for 15+ years. Those two are pretty solid routes with the latter having a small chance to be discovered after the fact however but a very very small chance for that.
That’s if they’re not identified by someone who was randomly recording and all their tattoos, lol.
If those are fake tattoos, then quite smart, but if not? They better be getting their laser removal treatments started FAST.
...Also.. that 1958 Mantle Beckett 8 in the video... looks trimmed to me.. either the top and/or bottom borders look slim... I know this has nothing to do with the theft.. but it just caught my eye.
I think they should take a picture of everyone who comes to a card show before they are allowed to enter vendors and customers and when show ends you just delete the pictures if not needed it would help identifying people who steal
Sounds like what the nazis would do, or you could just not leave a million dollar case unattended.
@@Bobby-qi7wb problem with that is you actually have to catch the person with the evidence on them you can't arrest someone for a picture
Main stream media are starting to pick this up. This will be an interesting story to follow to see how it ends.
1.5 mill is the Insured value. 400k is more real world.
Honestly if they’re smart (they’re not likely), then they’d do two things with it:
1) Keep them for 15+ years. That’s obviously risky even then but much better odds.
2) Find a private collector in Dubai (majority of the private collectors of Pokémon who have 10+ million dollar collections) to sell it all to. They’re not going to give a damn where they came from if it’s just going in their private vault, lol.
I'm going to agree with the Dubai guy option!
@@DocReasonableYep!
Bet those guys are not sleeping well now with all their faces online 😂
1.5 million is more than enough for facial surgery buddy
Lol yah I’m sure they will be getting facial surgery with their profits.
@@YRandomVideosY yes, because they robbed 1.5m worth of cards just to spend it all on facial reconstruction surgery just so they won’t get caught for stealing 1.5m worth of cards…
@@StonedReaper23 exactly now you get it
You can’t tell who these guys are let’s get some better pictures guys
Meh. He'll file his insurance claim in the declining market.
I just don't understand how no employee was anywhere near the card cases. Something is not right.
bingo, most of the people here dont get how shady this looks from everyone involved
You're giving them too much credit. Card guys are about as arrogant as they come. The whole convention is full of idiots walking around with cases full of thousands in inventory, flashing for anybody who will look. Getting robbed, for some reason, is not on their mind. The fact this doesn't happen weekly has boggled my mind for years
Putting another crease or ding on the card, to make it unrecognizable, isnt that hard. Think for 1 second
Was there any camara footage outside of the card show building? Remember the time when someone delivered 2 million dollars worth of sport cards to Best Western hotel. Stop being cheap with your investment people. 🤡💀 💸
Guaranteed the owner of those cards was in on it with them…
On the next Episode of "Chasing Cardboard".... We just stumbled upon this new collection, grandpa died and left them to his mexican grandsons! We will give you 75k. We have so much work to do, yada yada yada!
If thieves are patient theyll sit on them for 5 years, drastically lower chances of caught. Probably will sell all super cheap to a private collector who knows theyre stolen and doesnt care
how do we only have pictures of a screen and not actual videos exported from the software. these pixelated images seem to be pointless to pass around versus high quality images.
"There are cards you can steal. THESE are not them!" Lol so true
"The more expensive the more recognizable." Thx Rattle!
They have been stalking the table for 2 days maybe have a buyer locked up in a price ! Maybe buyer will bust these people to the police! Hoping so 💯
Sadly im not so sure that’s true, they could already be out of the country.
These guys got lucky AF. Was organized and simple but Lord they got lucky.
Which makes it kind of fishy to me.
@@greatnorthern706 I think it is what it is man. Sometimes u get lucky, this coulda went either way. U can tell from the guy in whites body language, he was anxious and nervous af. They came up with a decent plan and executed. Hard to hate on the guys honestly
why would anyone leave that case unprotected and NOT locked up?
Hate to say it but these cards and people wont be found. they are Illegal immigrants with no paperwork
Why would you involve that many people for insurance fraud? Because that's a 200iq way to do so. Also if it was or wasn't fraud those tattoos could be fake. That would be a brilliant move.
That would be next level for sure... Great point
@@b.ballin1187 yeah it's almost like they want you to see them no way you all wear hats pulled down low and avoid cameras while flashing tattoos that are literally the most distinct identifiable marker you could have.
We had that case in Kansas City 2 years ago where a guy was stealing cards and then he would sell them if you don't know they're stolen you're not in trouble you just lose your money
Looks like they got them - listing the cards online.
Where can I find it?
I know at coin shows coin dealers often will have multiple cameras on all of their inventory, safes that are not easily moved, and even personal armed guards depending on amount of inventory and value. There was a coin show where some people pretended to be working for the show and just uppin walked out of the show with a dealers entire glass case. Never leave your booth unattended. Have cameras. Train employees. Unfortunately this is all on the rise.
The mindset of the community is still trying to get out of the 2010s, we're in an era where crime is on the increase and collectors cards are actually known by the general public as a valuable thing. People gotta start taking this seriously.
Im sure for insurance reasons, its higher than it really is
How stupid do you have to be to leave this laying around.
Laying around inside your booth space with 3 employees there? It isn't like they left it sitting out in the aisle or hallway.
Why is the hair on the back of my neck tingling. Something is off
Seems very sketchy doesn't it 😂
70k seems low. Thats some Dana White bonus shit
They would have had a shady buyer lined up who is going to keep the cards forever and a day.
You dont know that the Cartel isnt far from Dallas 99% of those goons have stash house wit just 💵💵💵 Stacked to the ceiling if you never seen that kind of $$$ with your own 👀's u might not get it im sure theres a few collectors wit tides 💯💯💯
I don't think they're going to sell those cards for a while it may be a year or two before those cards show up
theoretically if they just bust down the slabs and regrade them then they are in the clear tbh
The staff/owner should have known better as I know for a fact he/she has had theft durring setup and break-down. Base on size of booth and inventory they have been doing shows for years. Often theft is from personal staff, exhibit hall staff, or even other exhibitors. I have caught other exhibitors, staff, and facility staff steal my inventory through the yeas (25 years in the business). I once had exhibitor hall staff try to steal a whole pallet of my inventory during set up. Forklift driver staff happen to find my pallet when I requested to file police report immediately. Within 30 minutes the 1 pallet came back in two pallets!!!??? Experience should have taught them better. I am an exhibitor and sell high end products. Though I don't carry any one thing over $40K in my booth I am very strict on where I keep my inventory. This type theft is the exact reason why I do my best to contain highend inventory. Breakdown and setup is the most opportune time for theft. I once had some thief make off with a couple of statues inside one of my display case during shut-down. Eversince, I pack up my top tier items immediately and have it in an area where it is in sight and blocked off. Greed and opportunity comes with the territory of high end collectibles; I would be auditing staff also in this situation.
This is insane that they were able to walk away with this. I hope they get caught asap
I’m sure these fools didn’t do this but that would be genius to get fake tattoos you remove after just to throw people off. Not giving any ideas here to criminals, just saying haha
If that guy bumped into my kid like that, he would not have gotten far.
Most importantly people should be ready at the next shows, big and or small, especially around the area. Possible they will try again. Possible they post on eBay or go to local shops to try and sell. Terrible situation. Some lesson to be learned. I agree we shouldn't be this casual about this much value in such a small case. I hope they are caught soon.
Asylum Seekers ?
Even if they found the guys talking to employees nothing can be done to them because you cannot Prove with 100% they are part of a crew unless you catch them in a photo with each other or with the cards I would Laugh at you and tell you to take me to court.
Not taking the part of the thieves but its just how it works and today fking courts seem to be working for the Criminal!!!
There weren't very many people there at the card show
I believe the theft was perpetrated while the convention was “closed” to the public. Could be wrong though, but that’s why they’re aren’t many people in the footage
Rattle is hiding in plain sight on this one
The funny part is every person who is reposting this doesn't even bring up how this could be an inside job. who in their right mind would leave 2 kids yes they are kids in charge and watching those cards. And nobody brings up the possibility is those kids were not in on it and conveniently and perfectly "distracted".
rattle has a full chest piece of the muppet babies
Worst part is you know the thieves have been watching all these videos everyone has posted themselves trying to figure out how much info is known about them so far.
Hardly the worst part 😅
$70k reward? What a random amount. It must be all they have left lol
Ngl the guy "lookin surprised" looking like rattle. 😅
They’ll sale internationally and be a win for the their sadly
Wouldn’t PSA /BGS and other grading companies be the best bet for catching these thieving bad guys . ? .. they’re obviously going to try to pass through there again
what's to say that they add more damage to the cards so they don't look identical to the photos? yeah the price goes down but its still a lot of money we talking about and it covers up their tracks lol
card community turning into a clown show with scammers, thieves, and ridiculous over pricing
Insurance fraud for sure. They’ve got those cards nice and secure somewhere secret. “Hope they find the real thieves”
I agree. Dude was cashing out cause nobody is buying old baseball cards worth that much anymore or sports cards in general. All the people 30 and under are heavily into magic and pokemon. Average teenager could give a fuck less about Micky Mantle but a 1st edition charizard...
love a good old doppleganger
they need a high definition camera at the entrance to every show
This looks like a trade show during setup time** but could have been closing end of day . If set up time somone would have to have early access passes to get in ( for most trade shows I've attended need id/pass) and would have to know the show was comming up along with how many workers the stall has and what box / case has high value. Most of the time volunteers/ family , fellow vendors , event workers. would know this specific venue layout*
If end of day these guys definitely had to have had planned and hung out end of day before??!?!?!
It was end of day.
So grading company is the official official now. Then they should do a tiny laser etch digits on the card when they grade them. Now no more regrading of the same card forever
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Its wild because this kind of stuff happens so much in the crypto world but no one cares cuz its so common. But here we are all after these guys lol
With cards at this value, surely the owner has hi res photos of each. I know I do for mine, for home insurance reasons.
Check the pop counts. Many of those say under $1k are probably resellable in a crack and re grade situation. If a card is say $550 people years down the road aren’t gonna care if that card is sitting in a newer slab. Just my opinion
What's to stop the thieves from cracking the slabs to avoid serial number tracking? Doubt they're that smart but still
This does raise a big issue, people, it doesn't matter if they're just cards, a MILLION DOLLARS is a lot of money. 10 grand is a lot of money and could change most of the lives of people watching this video, a million dollars is a lot of money regardless of where it comes from, protect your valuables ESPECIALLY if you're trying to sell them.
Straight fraud man. People keep 500 dollar pokemon cards behind glass cases at card shows no way this wasn't staged.
I have a sneaky suspicion these will end up at a gamestop 😂
Fools probably thought they were taking Pokémon Cards, that could crack & resell
These cards are going to be altered so that they look different than these.
Based on the security camera footage, this happened at 6am so I’m sure their guard was down but yeah. This is crazy
Can never have your guard down with a case that valuable just sitting there. Seems very sketchy to me 🤷♂️
That's when the video was pulled from the recorder. It happened the evening before after the show closed.
@@RyanPace gotcha
You can run but u can't hide!!!
There was a card show Heist 2 years ago at the national and they were not and it was like 3 or 4 million dollars with the cards
crazy they havent caught these guys...hopefully they make a mistake and try to sell them to someone that knows whats up...i think its highly unlikely at this point
But the question always remains the same for people spending $150k or more............
Wouldnt you rather have a vacation condo or Lamborghini or, or............
You people dont stop to think WHAT PLEASURE could possibly be derived from a piece of cardboard that you would even spend a THOUSAND dollars on it let alone MILLIONS for a MM1952 RK CARD?????
The origin of rare cards is that moms of baby boomers threw away their sons' Micks EN MASSE.
Who cares about missing cardboard?
An insurance company would LOATHE to compensate in a potential fraud case for a PIECE-OF-CARDBOARD!!!
no cars are a depreciating asset and condos arent that great either. single family or s&p 500 maybe
@@Alma-B you can enjoy cardboard more than driving an amazing car?
You can E-N-J-O-Y a vacation house/condo.
Nobody, N-O-B-O-D-Y enjoys a piece of cardboard more than what $10k - $12million can buy..............
You people have lost touch with common sense.
The "grading" companies obviously must have a lower opinion of you than strippers do.
@@Alma-B the GARBAGE CAN(!!!) is why Mickey Mantles & baby boomer hero cards are rare............
Now all of you...............
SNAP-OUT-OF-YOUR-CARDBOARD-
TRANCE
They will probably get a total of 6 months probation for that haul.
Since it's all just a form of sports gambling, pass laws that anyone under 21 cant be sold a card for more than $1.00 (one dollar).
It's not a hobby, it's gambling. For some people, it's hoarding.
its only gambling if you are a noob
@@Alma-B if you are referring to a successful risk-reward track record, its still gambling
They can’t do anything with those high end cards right now. Too much heat on. I suppose their only option is to sit on the major cards for a while or crack them and submit them through someone else. But even that now maybe too hot. These guys are looking at prison time when caught and a huge amount of restitution.
They would have had a shady buyer lined up who is going to keep the cards forever and a day.
i give it a like a and comment so it reaches more people
Yeah unless they sell them to a privet collector
Maybe I'm out of touch with 2024 pricing... but many of these cards seem to be marked up to the extreme... as to what I think is the actual value is. I know that is a dealer thing for negotiating... but some of these seem very high.
Was thinking this myself. Dealers price high obviously like you said but...this whole thing just isn't sitting right with me
These are likely for a or a small group of private collectors.
Does no one have a photo or video that was taken at the event that we might be able to see these suspects in the background ? Anyone who took videos or photos should take a double look just in case they got them in the background .
I’ll keep my eyes open in Houston,
11:32 a 300lb save would have prevented this theft. Do i blame the owners? no, however due diligence man, they have millions on the line! whats a $500 safe they need a pallet jack to move?
learned young if your pulling thefts and scams its best not to have distinguishing marks....aka tattoos...
Maybe not having your uncovered face perfectly visible on every camera 😂..I mean it's entirely possible they've already left the country and it's going to be pretty difficult to ever find these cards at that point. But with media nowadays, it's gotta be just a matter of time
Could be Mexican cartel and they could be back in Mexico?
half of the time its a inside guy or planned for a while funny a rattle lookalike haha
I worked many booths and this should never happen
Hence why I wouldnt be surprised if a total inside job from the beginning.
I think they just wanted a segment from rattle. Cant imagine they thought they would get away with it
The "grading" companies are LAUGHING at all of you willing to spend hundreds or thousands in their services.
Grow up.
Make cardboard rare again, throw it in the trash.
I feel sorry for the guy who might buy those cards he will lose all of his money when they have to confiscate the cards
If someone here can access the black market on dark web. I’d be looking up to see if these are on them or at least a couple and help out
Can you verify it is not you in the pic? You got leg tattoos? Lol jk
They are mostly PSA and I'm sure all insured. SO THEY ARE TRACEABLE. the authentication would and value would be ruined if the wanted to sell them black market. Otherwise whomever buys them would never be able to show them due to the authentication bar codes and and grading. Otherwise they would have to be graded again and the authenticators would know right away that they are stolen
If there a video with any of their voices thats great info and can you tell many things. Language nationality if they knew the market.
I see Rattle in this video, white hat and glasses hahaha
He literally just said that in the video 🙄
Bro fr he's outting himself
@@djbullets5850he also literally said someone's gonna say it in the comments