@@para_bellum_1984 I lucked in. A three year, one month old car with a mere 98 miles on it. I have all the service records from the Porsche dealer. All he did was take it in for an oil change, drive it back home and park it. Apparently, he has five or six other cars.
Scratch rim: They should not only fix it, but comp the tire swap for the inconvenience... those service guys should know better to be careful with such premium vehicles, or go work for Kia
Really nice. I like how people actually drive their cars instead of store them in the garage. Enjoy the car and I have an idea of what to expect when it comes to deal maintenance.
I’ve actually got the same dilemma concerning using the dealer for my 20k service. I’ve been driving Porsches for 40+ years and, in past, have used independent Porsche repair shops. However, the newer Porsches have so much electronic gear controlling the car that I, too, am going to the Porsche dealer for this service and all others until the car is out of warranty or until I sell it. I hate paying the dealership’s ridiculous overinflated service prices, but feel like we’re caught between a rock and a hard place. P.S. I know this is a bit older video of yours, but I’ve been following your channel for quite awhile. Keep up the great job, Joe!
Thanks for the recommendation!!! Glad to hear they are working out well on you Porsche. I assume better grip and responsiveness, and if so, great. Is that right? Is there more tire roar on the highway?
Joe Hutchinson My GTS came with the Pirelli P Zeros and the Michelin PS4S is like night and day. So much more grip and turn in. I was really skeptical, but they are a tremendous improvement. About more road noise, I would guess not much more if any. It’s difficult to tell because I have the Cayman GTS which has more engine induction sound in the cabin than the 911, so I really can’t tell. I do auto cross and track too.
Hey thanks for the feedback. Since I do long journeys with my wife, several hundred miles in one sitting, I was curious about tire roar. For example, a guy at auto cross has Bridgestone RE71s (I think?) and he said they are great on track/auto cross, but are very load in normal driving. When I am cutting up the back roads or at auto cross, tire roar doesn't matter one bit. But for our road trips it would. Thanks for the info!
I just put a new set of Michelin pilot sports on my Boxster. I noticed an immediate difference in responsiveness, road noise, and feedback from the steering wheel. I bought the car with Good Year tires and I would feel a bit uncontrolled on the highway with some swerving, but this is no longer a problem with the pilot sports. Highly recommended.
Joe, really great videos. I own a 2014 911 S and absolutely love every aspect - the design, the engine, the ride... One Question for you - have you found the 911’s you’ve owned to have an internal rattle here and there, and if so, have you just lived with it? It can be hard to track down those little noises and a 911 is tightly wound by definition. Keep up the great vids!
@@randycastillo1353 silliest comment on the internet. incorrect on both points. One of the most reliable automobiles on the road, and they are on of the few cars besides a land cruiser that hold their value. ever look at the price of a 993 turbo? or a 997 turbo? Or any other 911 for that matter.
i've got a 2017 991.1 that i purchased back in sept' 16 - the warranty expires this year... taking it in for service and some fixes while the warranty is still active, but stashing cash because i know SOMETHING will happen the first day of october, lol! beautiful car and good video, brother. new subscriber here!
The Micheline PS4S is the new summer tire segment leader. Amazing tread life and amazing performance from what I hear. The cost isn’t ridiculous either.
I own a 2015 GTS and I do most of the maintenance myself. The 2 year service is an overpriced oil change. I would have requested the oil change and brake fluid flush. The cabin filters are easy to change as well as the windshield wipers. I haven’t changed the wipers in four years yet since I clean them regularly and use Gummi Pledge to protect the rubber. I am also a working man that likes to protect my money the best way possible. Get ready for the 4 year or 40,000 miles service. When the time comes just take it for the spark plugs and learn how to do your own oil change and air filters change. You can do it!
Joe, I appreciate your updates and watch each with interest. I have a '15 GTS in Guards Red w/Aerokit, otherwise pretty similar to yours 'cept too that mine is a C4. Yours is subtler-looking, mine is rather loud, which suits me just fine. My service (is, will be) done by top-end speed guys in town (Bellevue, WA) at less cost than dealer and equal if not superior competency. I do, however, like my dealer. My 20K will be coming up probably in '19, I'm doing by-mileage vs. by-year. BTW: these are spectacular autocross cars, you're right about that! All-hail PDK for that...
Thanks a lot for this great vid! I am being flashed often because of our Macan LEDs - I'm so happy that finally someone talks about this topic. LED is king, they feel like twice the brightness of Macan xenons. BTW, your 911 looks splendid.
the mich pilot sport 4s are just GREAT. buttery soft, super sticky. there really are no trade offs. thanks for the update, i have my 20k mile service up soon as well!
I recommend the Pilot Super Sport tires for summer if they make them in the size you need. Excellent tires. Also, it sucks that they damaged your wheels... I'd definitely see what they can do about that. To them it's another car, especially the service guys, to you, it's your baby. Maybe you can find an independent Porsche shop that takes better care and maybe charges less. Beautiful Porsche, congratulations.
Joe, you seem to be a sharp, intelligent guy and I’m very surprised that you continue to use Porsche dealerships for your service work. I’ve been driving Porsches as my daily drivers for 38 years and I learned a long time ago to find a good, reliable, & well respected local independent Porsche mechanic to keep your car in good working order. I raced motorcycles for 15 years and tracked Porsches for 8 years and used to do all of my own service work. However, as I aged and stopped doing track events, I eventually passed my service work on to a local independent shop. I’m sure you can locate one in your area by asking around at the autocross events you do. In my educated opinion, you’ll save quite a bit of money and the work will be done well and to your satisfaction.you’ll be much happier when you establish a relationship with a good independent Porsche mechanic. One last thing: Having your service work done outside of a Porsche dealership does not void any warranty on your car. P.S. I really enjoy your channel. How you feel about your car really shines thru.
That’s one of the most beautiful 911’s I’ve ever seen. Plus, that garage is the neatest one I’ve ever seen! Nothing in it but an Audi and a Porsche. Just found your channel and sub’d. Well done.
Summer Tires performing well for me: Michelin Pilot Super Sports Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2s OR The new Michelin Pilot Sport 4S would be perfect for you.
Hi Joe, very instructive video. Sorry about the scratch on your wheel. You should be very upset. Usually in my center, you and the guy that give the car back make a look around the car to see if everything is ok. I will have the change my summer tire also. I am with the Pirelli as stock tire but I may want to try the new michelin. I totally agree when you say that you want to keep the car in tip top condition. I feel the same. Happy new year and safe and fun driving!
Hi Joe, always nice to watch your stylish videos of a great car. I’m waiting for my GTS 991.2 up for delivery in mid April 2018. I chose the same colour for my GTS mainly because of how great your car looks! So for the choice of tires... I have no experience of the Michelin PS4 on a 911 but surely they would be my choice since they are excellent tires. Happy holidays and l’m looking forward to your next post. Best regards Roger from Sweden
Hiya Joe. Big fan. I've been subbed from the start. Love the videos. The total 20K service is surprisingly cheaper than what my BMW cost under warranty. Looks like I should finally get that 991.1 CPO I've had my eye on. LOL Take care, bud, and have a happy and safe new year!
Get that 991! LOL! Wow, I’m surprised that the 20K service cost was cheaper than BMW. Hey, thanks for your support and Happy New Year to you and yours!
Hi Joe, Great video, keep them coming! I also own a 2015 GTS. Not a daily driver so only about 6K on the mileage. good to know what to expect. Happy New Year.
Definitely the black housing look way better, I mean waaaaaaay better :) Regarding the final bill, man, if you can afford such sun glasses, $1,498 is close to nothing! :D Anyhow, loved your video. Well done!
Joe Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and yours. Joe your cost of service was not that bad. The scratched wheel was inexcusable. I am glad to see that you keep up your maintenance. Keep the videos coming Thanks
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your family as well! The maintenance costs come with the territoryI suppose but to receive the car back with damage is totally unacceptable. The dealership promises to correct the wheel situation. Thanks so much for watching.
Nitro High Preformance All Seasons. I put a set on my 991.1 S and they gave the car a much less harsh ride while still giving me good Preformance Characteristics.
Nice to see how much it costs to maintain a Porsche there in the USA, here in Brazil only one Pirelli PZero costs R$ 1790,00 (around 550 dollars) and with your final bill (around U$ 1500,00) you wouldn't be able to do the preventive maintenance of a Toyota Corolla here haha. Nice car man, good content as well. Happy holidays to you and your family!
Next time you buy a car also think about the prepaid service programs and wheel and tire protection ,just in case you catch any more bubbles and nails . It should also cover you for any rim damage you cause through flats or curb hits .
Yep! It’s very experienced to get dealership service that’s one reason why I traded my used Porsche Boxster for a Mustang Bullitt. Long term the Mustang is great for performance, reliability and cost. The Porsche is awesome performance car but it’s premium price also has premium costs for maintenance. I still love the Porsche cars, but based on my wallet, the Bullitt is just fine! It’s a blast to drive and in many ways preferable to a 911, IMHO.
Joe Hutchinson - please let me know how you like it. It’s not as loud or crazy sounding as the 350 but it’s got more refined sounding exhaust note but and loud too. It’s more understated. Cooler but not as bad ass. It’s got the digital dash and auto rev matching on down shifts which is fun. Best of all it’s much cheaper for just as much fun in everyday driving. It’s more of a daily then the 350, in my opinion.
I have a 997 GTS and the car came with Pzeros which I hated. I swapped them out with Pilot Super sport and couldn't be happier, not only is the grip a lot better but also they're a little quieter.
It's my lotto car what can I say the car is magnificent I can understand your angst was the Porsche dealer scratching the hubs up I would feel the same way if I had such a nice car from a tire standpoint I would recommend Toyos I've seen the Porsches run what's Goodyear's they seemingly grip well a good speeds and budget-wise it might prevail better for you possibly wish you luck
I love the red stitching on your seat heads. WOW! Didn't see that in other videos. Do you have any other red stitching in the cabin? Great video as always! Happy holidays!
I found a DIY place that rents lifts, with tools, for $20 an hour. The guy is careful putting the car on the lift. There is nothing in the 911 regular maintenance that is beyond the capability of an experienced DIYer. The center lock wheels are a pain, however. I wouldn't get them. We've ordered our car with standard wheels.
Great video Joe. Merry Christmas and happy new year to you! I like the fact that you were prepared to have the service early because it shows you are dedicated and want to maintain the function of your car. It looks great by the way. I assume you will take the issue up with Porsche about your damaged wheels etc? Anyway, Keep up the good work😃
Thanks so much. I had communicated the wheel damage to management and they promise to fix the wheel. Likely refinish the wheel as opposed to a brand new wheel. That's fine I suppose. I am entrusting the Porsche service team to know how to handle their own products so to receive the car back with damage is unacceptable. The car itself is great and it is worth it to stay on top of maintenance to keep the car operating at its best. Thanks for watching!
curious why you might not keep an extra set of wheels. Save you from mounting and dismounting, balancing tires, etc. plus tires/wheels take the same storage space as tires more or less. I know they cost a fair bit, but for winter, you could get the cheapest porsche wheels stocked for the car, and also go one inch smaller, especially if you get snow and ice in your area.
You are 100% right. I should do that. Years ago, I looked in to the prices of another set of centerlock Porsche wheels and the cost was a bit of a turn off. But I don't have to go Porsche. But you are so correct, a second set of wheels with the tires mounted would be a much better way to go. I had a second set of wheels with winters mounted for my previous Porsche, a 997.2 C2.
Great looking car. I think I saw you can buy a single lug torque wrench for Porsches for $600 (Porsche buyers say never get this option btw), if your not a rich man, buy one and switch the tires yourself. Also, any knucklehead can switch air filters in 5 minutes at home. I do oil changes, changed my brakes, replaced my engine/transmission mounts and replaced my heater core. I'm not rich either, but I watch lots of youtube videos, spend some money on tools and refuse to pay for a mechanic when I can do it myself. Do all the easy stuff yourself. And clean and moisturise your leather seats once a month too.
I stumbled across this and find it interesting how my boss has this exact spec - 911.1 GTS, grey with black wheels, red calipers (no sunroof though). I've always gawped at this car when walking by it so it is nice to know roughly how much a car like this is to maintain. Thanks!
The clarity in this video is amazing, I got to ask what kind of Camera you are using? But I want to know how the damage was resolved if at all with the rims.
hey buddy, congrats, you have a really nice GTS, me too I prefer the RWD than the AWD, I own a Carrera S 2011 with this same color on it, nice review, happy new year - 2018
nice video, awesome car. have the dealer do something for you regarding those wheels, if they are pros they should not damage the wheels changing the tires.
@@modrn_ They are so soft they literally picked up every rock available on the street. You may have had a bad set. Handle like a dream. I have Michelins on my Vette and 350R
Beautiful spec on your car. I would take it to the dealer and shell out to keep it at 100% too. But speaking of which, are they going to do something about the scratched wheel? Not like they can argue that it was curbed where that scratch is - it’s obviously from the center lock removal. Unfortunately stuff like this happens even at the dealer.... we’ve had a few issues with ours as well but they eventually made it right.
Hey there Chief... sorry to hear about your wheel scratch woes. After (2) bad experiences (and counting), I am not sure why you keep going back to stealership service. anyhow, hate to tell you this, but you got hosed for that service visit. If I were you, I would've gone to Deman Motorsport. take a tour of the facility, and you tell me who you would rather have wrench on your car? most of the 20K mi service is just upcharging you for unnecessary stuff that doesn't even get done. Zep Cleaner is literally just a cleaning solvent... they probably barely used any, but charged you for the whole bottle. You could've gotten all that done for half price at a reputable speed shop. As for Brake Fluid changes... now that you are starting to DE, you MUST to do one at the start of every season, no question. DE guys who run their cars hard do them more than once a season, but for you... once at the beginning is all you will need. As for summer tires, PS4S is a very versatile tire. it is basically the next iteration of the PSS. I haven't driven the PS4S, but I have had a dozen or so sets of PSS. next iterations are basically same difference with an updated tread pattern and a newer mixture of compound/construction. good news for you is... that there is a sale on tirerack.com for the PSS atm. I would jump on that, as it's a great deal on a great tire. Hope all that helps. let me know if you need an intro at Deman Motorsport, or if you are in the Blauvelt/Tarrytown area, just stop by and see for yourself. let Rick know Eugene GT4 says hello!
Hey, thanks for the recommendations! I wasn’t aware of Deman Motorsport. I need to pay them a visit. I have heard of Rennewerke in Elmsford. Have you heard anything about them? At any rate, I will pay Deman a visit. I’ll have the dealership make good on the wheel scratch. They will have it repaired, refinished. I was thinking of having that done in the spring, after the winter season is over. Thanks for the recommendations on the tires. A number of people are recommending the new versions as you see. I’ll check them both out. So helpful. Thanks!
Joe Hutchinson Hey Joe, I would recommend letting the dealer know now about the wheels and have them promise and better yet note in their system that they are fixing them in spring. Remember, you’ll be getting a satisfaction survey and I’m sure they want the exceptional rating. I believe it is tied to their compensation so it matters a lot to them. Good luck.
I haven't run the PS4 bc i usually go with a stickier stiffer tire on my track cars, but tirerack is running a clearance deal on PSS. And i don't think he will know the difference. So worth the cost benefit in my opinion.
Man, you americans are living on another planet. 20'000 miles services in europe is 1'200 euros. 960$ for that service is nothing! I just paid 500 bucks in switzerland for a simple oil change for my macan.
Love the car love the channel. Question..... what type of coating if any do you have on your paint? Could be the camera and lighting but I can’t see not a single imperfection on the paint. Still has a show room look
Another vote for the Michelin Pilot Sport C4 which replaced my Pirelli P-Zero's, which is a good tire but the new Michelin's ride better and have the performance you need for street and light track. You also can save some money and by the non "N" spec version which is what I did, "N" spec version is Porsche approved and a little softer compound which wear faster and from what I hear are made in Germany and the non "N" version are made in France with a harder compound for better mileage, great tire!
Incredible cheep to take care of your car in the states, just a oil change on a m6 in Sweden cost over 900$, a same job on a Porsche in Sweden cost around 3000$
Joe, love all your videos, am looking to upgrade from my 991.1 Carrera to a 991.1 gts. Question, you mention in your video some kind of paint protection, can you let me know what it is?
Hi there. Sorry for my delayed response! Yes, I have XPel paint protection film on the nose, hood, A pillars, wing mirrors, edges of the doors and edges of the wheel wells. Still happy with it. I probably should have covered the whole car for piece of mind but it is working in these critical areas. Thanks for watching!!!!
$1300 for maintenance?? Hyundai tried to get me at 15000 miles for the same amount...for my Accent😄 Of course I told them they were out of their minds and to take my car off their lift. I think it was for oil change, filter changes, maybe a flush and brake service. It should be noted that the brakes lasted another 110k miles after that before being replaced. Just goes to show how devious people can be.
Joe, I had the same issue with the pirelli's on my c63 also, I switched to some Falken FK453's and they were the best tire I've driven on, not many people like them because they're "Falkens" but they are amazing tires, great in the rain, great all around, it feels like the car is stuck on rails with them. I've used most of the other brands of tires too and found they took way to long to heat up, the falkens heat up pretty quick. Check them out.
Great video Joe, love the style of interaction you have in your channel. What’s the plan for the scratched center locks? Will the dealer put new ones on, free of charge hopefully?
It’s one wheel that’s damaged so the plan is to have the dealership, or really a sub contractor paid by the dealership, refinish it. I am going to wait until spring to have that done, when I need to switch back to summer tires.
Joe, nice video's. I watch them all !The maintenance cost is expensive but comparing to the EU, for sure it is not more expensive.This must be of my heart: if the Porsche dealership in the EU scratch my wheels like I see in you video, my car goes direct back to the dealership and they buy me a new rim! 100% sure!
Thanks for watching. I am disappointed that they damaged the wheel like that. And this is the second time this dealership has done something like this. After they fix this situation, which they promise they will, I may have to look for a different Porsche service center.
Your right Joe. In fact the same for your new black LED lights. You buy and let them install in a Porsche dealership. You can expect that they are adjust from the first time correctly! Happy NY!
Joe Hutchinson. I'm also metro PCA in your neck of the woods. What is the dealership's adjoining town. I also have a 02 stage 2 allroad. If you need an extremely knowledgeable mechanic for your A4 avant check out Serge at Edge Motors in W. Haverstraw. They're on TH-cam. Also Mike at TyrolSport in Queens. Have a Happy New Year and safe driving.
You know what, you are right. In fact, when they first installed the LED lights, they were pointing to the ground. Then I went back and they raised them so that I was blinding oncoming traffic. It took this third time for them to get it right. That should have sent me a message about these guys already. I am disappointed in them. When I lived in Pasadena, CA, the Rusnak Porsche service guys were on point. No issues. I had a Boxster back then for years. I assumed that Porsche service centers nationwide have to meet standards but this one near me in NY isn't cutting it.
Hi Remy! Porsche Larchmont. Thanks for the mechanic referrals for the A4. I will check them out. My wife and I love that A4 and we want to keep it running smoothly. Happy New Year to you and yours!!!
Please do not accept a refinish of the alloy wheel as an reasonable solution. I had a similar incident with my Golf GTI after a service with a alloy damaged and they didn't even change the tyres (English). At hand-back after the service I spotted the damage and hit the roof, the fact that they didn't even own up to the issue and tried to hand the car over hoping i wouldn't notice... as if. They tried to soften the impact and offer a refinish smart repair, but I demanded a new alloy and they didn't really question it and within a week I had a new alloy. Go back to them and demand a new alloy, refurbs or refinishes are never near a OEM finish. I have found a tyre shop that respects wheels when changing tyres and would pay a premium for that service, but they are very reasonable. I would highly recommend the Michelin range and have PSS all round and they were a massive upgrade on the outgoing Dunlop Maxx Sports. Go with a Porsche specialist service shop in the future, your warranty will not be void if they use original Porsche parts. Never use a dealer for tyres, huge mark up, can't believe you agreed for them to change the windscreen wipers, jeez that is a 1 min job per wiper and you can pick up original spec wipers from any decent parts shop for a fraction of the price. I don't mean to be critical but you can really reduce your running costs by being a little bit smarter with the consumable parts. You can even supply the oil for a service and not pay dealer prices.
Nice car. Sorry to hear the Stealership damaged your rims and center lock - they need to replace both at their coin. If they dont, a simple phone call to Porsche North America would fix that. As the saying goes, if you want something done right, do it yourself. I fortunately have been blessed with a passion for learning and mechanical aptitude to work on all my belongings.
It's weird how the GTS lights didn't come with the blackened housing. I had a '15 Boxster GTS and part of that GTS package was the black accents including front and rear lights.
You are right. Here is the thing. The dealer specc'd the car and it was on the showroom when I purchased it. The dealer ordered the car with the optional PDLS+ lights with the standard color housing of grays and silvers instead of the standard bi-Xenon lights in black that come with the GTS. I wanted the black versions of the PDLS+ lights so I purchased them after and had them swapped in. So since the rear lights came with the fronts that had gray and silver housings, the rears are not darkened like the normal GTS. I wish they were.
Regular working guy who got himself a 991 GTS... respect. Subbed.
Hell, I am an electronics tech and own one. Same year but a Carrera 4 GTS. Priorities!
@@a.c.e.7568 Nice!
@@para_bellum_1984 I lucked in. A three year, one month old car with a mere 98 miles on it. I have all the service records from the Porsche dealer. All he did was take it in for an oil change, drive it back home and park it. Apparently, he has five or six other cars.
@@a.c.e.7568 That's amazing! Enjoy er in good health!
@@a.c.e.7568 you service your own car? ? you got a mechanic ? what's been maintenance like?
i am thinking about buying a porsche 911 from 80s!!
Scratch rim: They should not only fix it, but comp the tire swap for the inconvenience... those service guys should know better to be careful with such premium vehicles, or go work for Kia
HA. I've had better treatment at a Kia dealer than at the MB dealer
Time to find another dealer and complain to Porsche about the poor service/damage. Nice Porsche by the way.
I believe you are right. Gee whiz. I thought I could trust these guys.
See if their willing to repair or replace the wheel and center hub.
Really nice. I like how people actually drive their cars instead of store them in the garage. Enjoy the car and I have an idea of what to expect when it comes to deal maintenance.
Great update Joe, nice to see a real-world owner educate potential buyers.
You are a real honest man - enjoying watching ur videos
I’ve actually got the same dilemma concerning using the dealer for my 20k service. I’ve been driving Porsches for 40+ years and, in past, have used independent Porsche repair shops. However, the newer Porsches have so much electronic gear controlling the car that I, too, am going to the Porsche dealer for this service and all others until the car is out of warranty or until I sell it. I hate paying the dealership’s ridiculous overinflated service prices, but feel like we’re caught between a rock and a hard place. P.S. I know this is a bit older video of yours, but I’ve been following your channel for quite awhile. Keep up the great job, Joe!
Michelin Pilot Sport 4S . Recently came out and they’re amazing on my Porsche.
Thanks for the recommendation!!! Glad to hear they are working out well on you Porsche. I assume better grip and responsiveness, and if so, great. Is that right? Is there more tire roar on the highway?
Joe Hutchinson My GTS came with the Pirelli P Zeros and the Michelin PS4S is like night and day. So much more grip and turn in. I was really skeptical, but they are a tremendous improvement. About more road noise, I would guess not much more if any. It’s difficult to tell because I have the Cayman GTS which has more engine induction sound in the cabin than the 911, so I really can’t tell. I do auto cross and track too.
Hey thanks for the feedback. Since I do long journeys with my wife, several hundred miles in one sitting, I was curious about tire roar. For example, a guy at auto cross has Bridgestone RE71s (I think?) and he said they are great on track/auto cross, but are very load in normal driving. When I am cutting up the back roads or at auto cross, tire roar doesn't matter one bit. But for our road trips it would. Thanks for the info!
I just put a new set of Michelin pilot sports on my Boxster. I noticed an immediate difference in responsiveness, road noise, and feedback from the steering wheel. I bought the car with Good Year tires and I would feel a bit uncontrolled on the highway with some swerving, but this is no longer a problem with the pilot sports. Highly recommended.
Joe, really great videos. I own a 2014 911 S and absolutely love every aspect - the design, the engine, the ride...
One Question for you - have you found the 911’s you’ve owned to have an internal rattle here and there, and if so, have you just lived with it? It can be hard to track down those little noises and a 911 is tightly wound by definition.
Keep up the great vids!
The pilot sport 4s seems to be the best fit for your car...Excellent grip in all conditions and they will last you quite some time..
You look like Jay-Z man!
filipmax84 I knew u couldn’t be the only one that thought that! LOL
I was think Mr. Cooper
I think it's Obama brother lol
A stupid jay z buying a brand new Porsche which is the most expensive unreliable piece of crap...also they depreciate like crazy!
@@randycastillo1353 silliest comment on the internet. incorrect on both points. One of the most reliable automobiles on the road, and they are on of the few cars besides a land cruiser that hold their value. ever look at the price of a 993 turbo? or a 997 turbo? Or any other 911 for that matter.
Awesome update!
Glad the GTS is doing great Joe, and looking extremely good!
Look forward to the next video!
Michelin Pilot Sport 4s. You cant go wrong for all purposes. Its sticky but not track focussed and they last a while
i've got a 2017 991.1 that i purchased back in sept' 16 - the warranty expires this year... taking it in for service and some fixes while the warranty is still active, but stashing cash because i know SOMETHING will happen the first day of october, lol! beautiful car and good video, brother. new subscriber here!
Ouch, you can do the air filters yourself and wipers , that would save you a couple hundred bucks
The Micheline PS4S is the new summer tire segment leader. Amazing tread life and amazing performance from what I hear. The cost isn’t ridiculous either.
I own a 2015 GTS and I do most of the maintenance myself. The 2 year service is an overpriced oil change. I would have requested the oil change and brake fluid flush. The cabin filters are easy to change as well as the windshield wipers. I haven’t changed the wipers in four years yet since I clean them regularly and use Gummi Pledge to protect the rubber. I am also a working man that likes to protect my money the best way possible. Get ready for the 4 year or 40,000 miles service. When the time comes just take it for the spark plugs and learn how to do your own oil change and air filters change. You can do it!
Great video and awesome GTS! I love your transparency about your experiences. Keep up the great work!
Joe, I appreciate your updates and watch each with interest. I have a '15 GTS in Guards Red w/Aerokit, otherwise pretty similar to yours 'cept too that mine is a C4. Yours is subtler-looking, mine is rather loud, which suits me just fine. My service (is, will be) done by top-end speed guys in town (Bellevue, WA) at less cost than dealer and equal if not superior competency. I do, however, like my dealer. My 20K will be coming up probably in '19, I'm doing by-mileage vs. by-year. BTW: these are spectacular autocross cars, you're right about that! All-hail PDK for that...
Thanks a lot for this great vid! I am being flashed often because of our Macan LEDs - I'm so happy that finally someone talks about this topic. LED is king, they feel like twice the brightness of Macan xenons. BTW, your 911 looks splendid.
the mich pilot sport 4s are just GREAT. buttery soft, super sticky. there really are no trade offs. thanks for the update, i have my 20k mile service up soon as well!
Thanks for the recommendation. I'll check those out...
Great video and I feel your love for your Porsche 911 GTS!
I recommend the Pilot Super Sport tires for summer if they make them in the size you need. Excellent tires. Also, it sucks that they damaged your wheels... I'd definitely see what they can do about that. To them it's another car, especially the service guys, to you, it's your baby. Maybe you can find an independent Porsche shop that takes better care and maybe charges less. Beautiful Porsche, congratulations.
Joe, you seem to be a sharp, intelligent guy and I’m very surprised that you continue to use Porsche dealerships for your service work. I’ve been driving Porsches as my daily drivers for 38 years and I learned a long time ago to find a good, reliable, & well respected local independent Porsche mechanic to keep your car in good working order. I raced motorcycles for 15 years and tracked Porsches for 8 years and used to do all of my own service work. However, as I aged and stopped doing track events, I eventually passed my service work on to a local independent shop. I’m sure you can locate one in your area by asking around at the autocross events you do. In my educated opinion, you’ll save quite a bit of money and the work will be done well and to your satisfaction.you’ll be much happier when you establish a relationship with a good independent Porsche mechanic. One last thing: Having your service work done outside of a Porsche dealership does not void any warranty on your car. P.S. I really enjoy your channel. How you feel about your car really shines thru.
Every real sportscar is expensive...but what a beauty. I love it.......
That’s one of the most beautiful 911’s I’ve ever seen. Plus, that garage is the neatest one I’ve ever seen! Nothing in it but an Audi and a Porsche. Just found your channel and sub’d. Well done.
Hi Jonathan, thanks so much!
Great video, I am saving up to purchase a porsche car in the near future, your videos really help!
Peace!
Great video Joe. I'm planning on getting my first Porsche this summer. Thanks for all of the great info!
Nice video man. I agree about the maintenance. A well serviced car is a happy car. Keep all that documentation for resale!
Summer Tires performing well for me:
Michelin Pilot Super Sports
Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2s
OR
The new Michelin Pilot Sport 4S would be perfect for you.
Wow, most people are calling out the Michelin's as the best. I will look in to all that you listed. Thanks!
Hi Joe, very instructive video. Sorry about the scratch on your wheel. You should be very upset. Usually in my center, you and the guy that give the car back make a look around the car to see if everything is ok. I will have the change my summer tire also. I am with the Pirelli as stock tire but I may want to try the new michelin. I totally agree when you say that you want to keep the car in tip top condition. I feel the same. Happy new year and safe and fun driving!
Great content as always! Merry Xmas and Happy New Year Joe, have fun with your awesome car!
Great video! Excellent camera work and picture quality!
Thanks so much!
I liked the Continental extreme contact sport.
Enjoyable video. Thanks for your transparency and no-BS info
Hi Joe, always nice to watch your stylish videos of a great car. I’m waiting for my GTS 991.2 up for delivery in mid April 2018. I chose the same colour for my GTS mainly because of how great your car looks! So for the choice of tires... I have no experience of the Michelin PS4 on a 911 but surely they would be my choice since they are excellent tires. Happy holidays and l’m looking forward to your next post. Best regards Roger from Sweden
Hiya Joe. Big fan. I've been subbed from the start. Love the videos. The total 20K service is surprisingly cheaper than what my BMW cost under warranty. Looks like I should finally get that 991.1 CPO I've had my eye on. LOL Take care, bud, and have a happy and safe new year!
Get that 991! LOL! Wow, I’m surprised that the 20K service cost was cheaper than BMW. Hey, thanks for your support and Happy New Year to you and yours!
Hi Joe, Great video, keep them coming! I also own a 2015 GTS. Not a daily driver so only about 6K on the mileage. good to know what to expect. Happy New Year.
Definitely the black housing look way better, I mean waaaaaaay better :) Regarding the final bill, man, if you can afford such sun glasses, $1,498 is close to nothing! :D Anyhow, loved your video. Well done!
Great videos.....only have 5K miles on my 2018 718 Cayman S but interesting to hear the service costs and the quality of the service provided.
Joe Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and yours.
Joe your cost of service was not that bad. The scratched wheel was inexcusable.
I am glad to see that you keep up your maintenance.
Keep the videos coming
Thanks
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your family as well!
The maintenance costs come with the territoryI suppose but to receive the car back with damage is totally unacceptable. The dealership promises to correct the wheel situation.
Thanks so much for watching.
Nice to see another Porsche owner of color. So few of us. Good content
Hey, thanks a lot. Wish there were more of us. Thanks for watching.
Nitro High Preformance All Seasons.
I put a set on my 991.1 S and they gave the car a much less harsh ride while still
giving me good Preformance Characteristics.
Michelin Sport Cup 2, hands down the BEST tire you can get for your 911!
Nice to see how much it costs to maintain a Porsche there in the USA, here in Brazil only one Pirelli PZero costs R$ 1790,00 (around 550 dollars) and with your final bill (around U$ 1500,00) you wouldn't be able to do the preventive maintenance of a Toyota Corolla here haha. Nice car man, good content as well. Happy holidays to you and your family!
Thanks for watching and Happy New Year to you and your family!
Next time you buy a car also think about the prepaid service programs and wheel and tire protection ,just in case you catch any more bubbles and nails . It should also cover you for any rim damage you cause through flats or curb hits .
Yep! It’s very experienced to get dealership service that’s one reason why I traded my used Porsche Boxster for a Mustang Bullitt. Long term the Mustang is great for performance, reliability and cost. The Porsche is awesome performance car but it’s premium price also has premium costs for maintenance. I still love the Porsche cars, but based on my wallet, the Bullitt is just fine! It’s a blast to drive and in many ways preferable to a 911, IMHO.
I meant “expensive”, not experienced.
I want to drive a Bullitt. I’ve heard that in some ways, the Bullitt is more fun than a GT350.
Joe Hutchinson - please let me know how you like it. It’s not as loud or crazy sounding as the 350 but it’s got more refined sounding exhaust note but and loud too. It’s more understated. Cooler but not as bad ass. It’s got the digital dash and auto rev matching on down shifts which is fun. Best of all it’s much cheaper for just as much fun in everyday driving. It’s more of a daily then the 350, in my opinion.
I have a 997 GTS and the car came with Pzeros which I hated. I swapped them out with Pilot Super sport and couldn't be happier, not only is the grip a lot better but also they're a little quieter.
Great video Joe. Great vehicle too!
It's my lotto car what can I say the car is magnificent I can understand your angst was the Porsche dealer scratching the hubs up I would feel the same way if I had such a nice car from a tire standpoint I would recommend Toyos I've seen the Porsches run what's Goodyear's they seemingly grip well a good speeds and budget-wise it might prevail better for you possibly wish you luck
Thanks so much!
Firestone indy500. Fairly priced, nice riding and last longer than your average summer tire
I love the red stitching on your seat heads. WOW! Didn't see that in other videos. Do you have any other red stitching in the cabin? Great video as always! Happy holidays!
Great video safe driving for this winter season 👍🏼👍🏼
Take the michelin pilot super sport, they are absolutely perfect and also work good at rainy conditions
Always enjoy watching your videos. Great job as always. Too bad about the rims, though. They should know better.
I found a DIY place that rents lifts, with tools, for $20 an hour. The guy is careful putting the car on the lift.
There is nothing in the 911 regular maintenance that is beyond the capability of an experienced DIYer.
The center lock wheels are a pain, however. I wouldn't get them. We've ordered our car with standard wheels.
That 2 year maintenance is nothing! My E46 M3’s Inspection 2 is twice that cost! I think I need a Porsche....
Great video Joe. Merry Christmas and happy new year to you! I like the fact that you were prepared to have the service early because it shows you are dedicated and want to maintain the function of your car. It looks great by the way. I assume you will take the issue up with Porsche about your damaged wheels etc?
Anyway, Keep up the good work😃
Thanks so much.
I had communicated the wheel damage to management and they promise to fix the wheel. Likely refinish the wheel as opposed to a brand new wheel. That's fine I suppose. I am entrusting the Porsche service team to know how to handle their own products so to receive the car back with damage is unacceptable.
The car itself is great and it is worth it to stay on top of maintenance to keep the car operating at its best.
Thanks for watching!
Continental extreme contacts. I have them on my cayenne, awesome tires.
curious why you might not keep an extra set of wheels. Save you from mounting and dismounting, balancing tires, etc. plus tires/wheels take the same storage space as tires more or less. I know they cost a fair bit, but for winter, you could get the cheapest porsche wheels stocked for the car, and also go one inch smaller, especially if you get snow and ice in your area.
You are 100% right. I should do that. Years ago, I looked in to the prices of another set of centerlock Porsche wheels and the cost was a bit of a turn off. But I don't have to go Porsche. But you are so correct, a second set of wheels with the tires mounted would be a much better way to go. I had a second set of wheels with winters mounted for my previous Porsche, a 997.2 C2.
Great looking car. I think I saw you can buy a single lug torque wrench for Porsches for $600 (Porsche buyers say never get this option btw), if your not a rich man, buy one and switch the tires yourself. Also, any knucklehead can switch air filters in 5 minutes at home. I do oil changes, changed my brakes, replaced my engine/transmission mounts and replaced my heater core. I'm not rich either, but I watch lots of youtube videos, spend some money on tools and refuse to pay for a mechanic when I can do it myself. Do all the easy stuff yourself. And clean and moisturise your leather seats once a month too.
Agree with the guys that have said Pilot Sport 4S. Best summer tyre on the market just now. All the best for 2018
Wow, yeah, thanks everyone for this recommendation. They must be good tires.
I stumbled across this and find it interesting how my boss has this exact spec - 911.1 GTS, grey with black wheels, red calipers (no sunroof though). I've always gawped at this car when walking by it so it is nice to know roughly how much a car like this is to maintain. Thanks!
The clarity in this video is amazing, I got to ask what kind of Camera you are using? But I want to know how the damage was resolved if at all with the rims.
Very useful info , thank you
Shocking damage at 4:39 !
Hi Joe, would highly recommend the Michelin PS4S! Really the best summer tire out there.
Thanks for the recommendation. I am going to have to look into these. Very helpful, thanks. They keep coming up as the best.
I thought they were a great tyre, but the Yoko AD08R's were better for grip/track use.
Love the way u talk . Very intersting video
Love your car. Best colour combo on the gts
I highly recommend the Pilot Sport 4S. They are excellent!
You should have bought winter wheels and tires that way they don't scratch the rims. That's what I did on my Macan S.
hey buddy, congrats, you have a really nice GTS, me too I prefer the RWD than the AWD, I own a Carrera S 2011 with this same color on it, nice review, happy new year - 2018
nice video, awesome car. have the dealer do something for you regarding those wheels, if they are pros they should not damage the wheels changing the tires.
pretty good videos, keep it up
Thanks!
Beautiful spec very nicely done sir
Pirelli P-Zero worst tire I've ever had in comparison to Pilot Super Sports. I'm surprised he's done auto cross in those and still has tread.
I just sold my GTS that literally looked exactly like this car. LOVED the Pirellis. Super sticky. And I am a Michelin lover
@@02hreblue30 Interesting. I must have just had some bad tires or something. Mine were literally horrible.
@@modrn_ They are so soft they literally picked up every rock available on the street. You may have had a bad set. Handle like a dream. I have Michelins on my Vette and 350R
Beautiful spec on your car. I would take it to the dealer and shell out to keep it at 100% too. But speaking of which, are they going to do something about the scratched wheel? Not like they can argue that it was curbed where that scratch is - it’s obviously from the center lock removal. Unfortunately stuff like this happens even at the dealer.... we’ve had a few issues with ours as well but they eventually made it right.
Hey there Chief... sorry to hear about your wheel scratch woes. After (2) bad experiences (and counting), I am not sure why you keep going back to stealership service. anyhow, hate to tell you this, but you got hosed for that service visit.
If I were you, I would've gone to Deman Motorsport. take a tour of the facility, and you tell me who you would rather have wrench on your car? most of the 20K mi service is just upcharging you for unnecessary stuff that doesn't even get done. Zep Cleaner is literally just a cleaning solvent... they probably barely used any, but charged you for the whole bottle. You could've gotten all that done for half price at a reputable speed shop.
As for Brake Fluid changes... now that you are starting to DE, you MUST to do one at the start of every season, no question. DE guys who run their cars hard do them more than once a season, but for you... once at the beginning is all you will need.
As for summer tires, PS4S is a very versatile tire. it is basically the next iteration of the PSS. I haven't driven the PS4S, but I have had a dozen or so sets of PSS. next iterations are basically same difference with an updated tread pattern and a newer mixture of compound/construction. good news for you is... that there is a sale on tirerack.com for the PSS atm. I would jump on that, as it's a great deal on a great tire.
Hope all that helps. let me know if you need an intro at Deman Motorsport, or if you are in the Blauvelt/Tarrytown area, just stop by and see for yourself. let Rick know Eugene GT4 says hello!
Hey, thanks for the recommendations! I wasn’t aware of Deman Motorsport. I need to pay them a visit. I have heard of Rennewerke in Elmsford. Have you heard anything about them? At any rate, I will pay Deman a visit.
I’ll have the dealership make good on the wheel scratch. They will have it repaired, refinished. I was thinking of having that done in the spring, after the winter season is over.
Thanks for the recommendations on the tires. A number of people are recommending the new versions as you see. I’ll check them both out.
So helpful. Thanks!
I second getting Michelin PS4’s. I have the older gen PSS and love them. Much better performance, better life and better comfort in my opinion.
Joe Hutchinson Hey Joe, I would recommend letting the dealer know now about the wheels and have them promise and better yet note in their system that they are fixing them in spring. Remember, you’ll be getting a satisfaction survey and I’m sure they want the exceptional rating. I believe it is tied to their compensation so it matters a lot to them. Good luck.
I haven't run the PS4 bc i usually go with a stickier stiffer tire on my track cars, but tirerack is running a clearance deal on PSS. And i don't think he will know the difference. So worth the cost benefit in my opinion.
If you have a warranty ,be careful not to get voided . Read the fine print .
Great video, plenty more please..
someone at the hospital I work at has a white GTS with a duck tail. amazing car!
SpyderRios some pics would be awesome !
I'd second that. I'd like to see it. That duck tail must look great on the GTS.
Probably the doctor lol
Man, you americans are living on another planet. 20'000 miles services in europe is 1'200 euros. 960$ for that service is nothing! I just paid 500 bucks in switzerland for a simple oil change for my macan.
Love the car love the channel. Question..... what type of coating if any do you have on your paint? Could be the camera and lighting but I can’t see not a single imperfection on the paint. Still has a show room look
Another vote for the Michelin Pilot Sport C4 which replaced my Pirelli P-Zero's, which is a good tire but the new Michelin's ride better and have the performance you need for street and light track. You also can save some money and by the non "N" spec version which is what I did, "N" spec version is Porsche approved and a little softer compound which wear faster and from what I hear are made in Germany and the non "N" version are made in France with a harder compound for better mileage, great tire!
Agree with Rene and just had a set installed on my 991. There is a notable difference especially in the ride quality!
Nice video. Sorry to hear your wheels were damaged.
Incredible cheep to take care of your car in the states, just a oil change on a m6 in Sweden cost over 900$, a same job on a Porsche in Sweden cost around 3000$
Wow, those are huge numbers for service costs. I thought I was paying a lot but it's nothing compared to costs in Sweden.
Joe, love all your videos, am looking to upgrade from my 991.1 Carrera to a 991.1 gts. Question, you mention in your video some kind of paint protection, can you let me know what it is?
Hi there. Sorry for my delayed response! Yes, I have XPel paint protection film on the nose, hood, A pillars, wing mirrors, edges of the doors and edges of the wheel wells. Still happy with it. I probably should have covered the whole car for piece of mind but it is working in these critical areas. Thanks for watching!!!!
hi can u kinda break down the parts fee, I don’t understand why they cost so much. Engine oil should be about 7-8 quarts, no more than $100.
Thanks for another informative video!
Did you get back to Porsche about the scratches? Did they fix them? I would been very pissed
Michelin Pilot Sport for sure.
$1300 for maintenance?? Hyundai tried to get me at 15000 miles for the same amount...for my Accent😄 Of course I told them they were out of their minds and to take my car off their lift. I think it was for oil change, filter changes, maybe a flush and brake service. It should be noted that the brakes lasted another 110k miles after that before being replaced. Just goes to show how devious people can be.
Joe, I had the same issue with the pirelli's on my c63 also, I switched to some Falken FK453's and they were the best tire I've driven on, not many people like them because they're "Falkens" but they are amazing tires, great in the rain, great all around, it feels like the car is stuck on rails with them. I've used most of the other brands of tires too and found they took way to long to heat up, the falkens heat up pretty quick. Check them out.
Ok, will do. Thanks!
Very nice GT3 looks super cool in grey my friend 😳
Great video Joe, love the style of interaction you have in your channel. What’s the plan for the scratched center locks? Will the dealer put new ones on, free of charge hopefully?
It’s one wheel that’s damaged so the plan is to have the dealership, or really a sub contractor paid by the dealership, refinish it. I am going to wait until spring to have that done, when I need to switch back to summer tires.
Hey that's my M : )
I recommend continental extreme contact dws 06 ultra performance. That is what I run and they are smooth
Joe, nice video's. I watch them all !The maintenance cost is expensive but comparing to the EU, for sure it is not more expensive.This must be of my heart: if the Porsche dealership in the EU scratch my wheels like I see in you video, my car goes direct back to the
dealership and they buy me a new rim! 100% sure!
Thanks for watching. I am disappointed that they damaged the wheel like that. And this is the second time this dealership has done something like this. After they fix this situation, which they promise they will, I may have to look for a different Porsche service center.
Your right Joe. In fact the same for your new black LED lights. You buy and let them install in a Porsche dealership. You can expect that they are adjust from the first time correctly! Happy NY!
Joe Hutchinson. I'm also metro PCA in your neck of the woods. What is the dealership's adjoining town.
I also have a 02 stage 2 allroad. If you need an extremely knowledgeable mechanic for your A4 avant check out Serge at Edge Motors in W. Haverstraw. They're on TH-cam. Also Mike at TyrolSport in Queens.
Have a Happy New Year and safe driving.
You know what, you are right. In fact, when they first installed the LED lights, they were pointing to the ground. Then I went back and they raised them so that I was blinding oncoming traffic. It took this third time for them to get it right. That should have sent me a message about these guys already. I am disappointed in them. When I lived in Pasadena, CA, the Rusnak Porsche service guys were on point. No issues. I had a Boxster back then for years. I assumed that Porsche service centers nationwide have to meet standards but this one near me in NY isn't cutting it.
Hi Remy! Porsche Larchmont. Thanks for the mechanic referrals for the A4. I will check them out. My wife and I love that A4 and we want to keep it running smoothly. Happy New Year to you and yours!!!
Please do not accept a refinish of the alloy wheel as an reasonable solution. I had a similar incident with my Golf GTI after a service with a alloy damaged and they didn't even change the tyres (English). At hand-back after the service I spotted the damage and hit the roof, the fact that they didn't even own up to the issue and tried to hand the car over hoping i wouldn't notice... as if. They tried to soften the impact and offer a refinish smart repair, but I demanded a new alloy and they didn't really question it and within a week I had a new alloy. Go back to them and demand a new alloy, refurbs or refinishes are never near a OEM finish. I have found a tyre shop that respects wheels when changing tyres and would pay a premium for that service, but they are very reasonable. I would highly recommend the Michelin range and have PSS all round and they were a massive upgrade on the outgoing Dunlop Maxx Sports. Go with a Porsche specialist service shop in the future, your warranty will not be void if they use original Porsche parts. Never use a dealer for tyres, huge mark up, can't believe you agreed for them to change the windscreen wipers, jeez that is a 1 min job per wiper and you can pick up original spec wipers from any decent parts shop for a fraction of the price. I don't mean to be critical but you can really reduce your running costs by being a little bit smarter with the consumable parts. You can even supply the oil for a service and not pay dealer prices.
Michelin Pilot Sports 4s ... done
Nice car. Sorry to hear the Stealership damaged your rims and center lock - they need to replace both at their coin. If they dont, a simple phone call to Porsche North America would fix that. As the saying goes, if you want something done right, do it yourself. I fortunately have been blessed with a passion for learning and mechanical aptitude to work on all my belongings.
Sounds like a great trip to the Stealership... smh
It's weird how the GTS lights didn't come with the blackened housing. I had a '15 Boxster GTS and part of that GTS package was the black accents including front and rear lights.
You are right. Here is the thing. The dealer specc'd the car and it was on the showroom when I purchased it. The dealer ordered the car with the optional PDLS+ lights with the standard color housing of grays and silvers instead of the standard bi-Xenon lights in black that come with the GTS. I wanted the black versions of the PDLS+ lights so I purchased them after and had them swapped in. So since the rear lights came with the fronts that had gray and silver housings, the rears are not darkened like the normal GTS. I wish they were.