I wanna thank Crossover Colosseum for being generous and giving link the tools and powers of OoT and MM link, plus the sand rod from spirit tracks to give us a good show.
I don’t disagree that Vader Wins, however some of the reasoning just seems off like reading his mind or using the time Vader overpowered Starkiller as a feat. Link resists mind control and corruption all the time, hence why he gets deceived whilst Zelda is usually the one possessed. And Starkiller was never canon outside of Unleashed, he was a part of Legends before the Disney era. Plus the Link used for the awesome animation got some new equipment and abilities in TotK that I would’ve like to have seen included, such as Earthwake.
Link has never resisted mind fuckery on the level of what Vader should be able to pull out. And yes, SK was canon...? You...literally just said as much yourself, lul. Force Unleashed was part of the old canon.
I think the thing that bothers me the most about their justification is vader being able to read links mind. Those kind of tricks only work on weak minded individuals. Link is not weak minded I don’t think that’s in question. That means that putting him to sleep or reading his mind won’t work. Link also retains the combat experience of all his past lives giving him decades of experience. He has the skill just not the memories of his past selves. The best way for vader to win this is to keep link from accessing his full arsenal and while I’m not completely certain I’m pretty sure their are quite a few weapons link doesn’t need to physically activate. Love seeing vader get a win and there are ways for him to win but I’m not 100% sold on this one.
I’m unsure how the weak mind means that the force works on it. I kinda internalised it as “if you know how to defend against it (which is easy) then it won’t work”
Mind control only works on weak minded individuals. Not sure if the same applies to plain mind reading. Even still, Vader has passive precognition, so he's gonna know Link's next move no matter what
The only thing that you can resist with a strong mind, is a mind trick. Everything else isn't a trick, it's manipulating your emotions, and controlling your body.
@@alexbaribeault That is fair. The force is almost like spider sense but it does have limits. It’s not always a clear image for one and against opponents of similar power it’s pretty weak. It takes concentration to do and if you’re fighting someone as strong and fast as you are you don’t have that kind of time. Fallen order showed this off well (no spoilers please haven’t beaten it completely.) they did combine legends with the new stuff though so who knows legends was vast. The force unleashed gave vader his strongest feats and I’m not really sure how ripping a star destroyer out of the sky compares to some of links other feats. Oh, and starkiller destroyed another destroyer in the sequel by charging a single turbo laser with the force. The fact vader can scale to that is terrifying. I do think it would be a pretty close match in a few ways but vader has a bias against opponents who don’t use the force. I imagine he’d probably underestimate link at first. Though, he may also start seeing a bit of anakin in link as well so that would probably make him angrier. It’s not a matchup I’ve thought of before but it’s a fun one.
I would have to guess that the research process for Darth Vader was a time consuming process... There's just so much Star Wars material that could be considered primary or secondary canon.
Big Star Wars nerd here and a big fan of legends. But, I’m not sure if vader should have took this one granted the force does counter most direct attacks but a comp link with all his masks is a bit much for vader to take. I mean I like vader winning but my mind is just telling me somethings up here.
@@Doghero780 he shouldn't have. He reeeeeeeally shouldn't have. He got to scale to Starkiller when Link didn't scale to Majora or Calamity Ganon who are far stronger, Flurry Rush and Links own laser feats that would make him faster than Vader, and the Timestops that in his last fight were said to be a counter to a faster opponent were outright ignored, and when Vader's suit was disabled it crippled him for a meaningful amount of time so Link's electric weapons were still an advantage, and the Tri-Force of Courage protects his mind. Even the Kipp feat people scale him to only comes out to continental levels of power, comperable to Termina's destruction which Fierce Deity Link UPSCALES from because in the Manga he oneshot Majora's Wrath. Majora made a star in the moon realm, so Fierce Deity Link would be more powerful than a Force Storm, which is a specific power Vader's never used.
@@floatingf8783 to be fair George Lucas did say that vader was about 80% of palpatines power so it’s not impossible to scale him to that feat. I agree though I think the link vs Ridley fight had far better research
You aren’t exactly forcing a laugh outta me. But good effort. There’s only ones way to become better with puns. -LINK THE FIRE!!- Tri tri and tri again!!
Wasn’t the most hyped for this upon announcement but I adored this. Great job to everyone and while I was sad to see Link go, him using the Fierce Deity against Vader went he didn’t get to against Ridley was awesome. Speaking of which Ridley must be cheering rn from hell.
@@LeviathanGamer799 I've always been a Star Wars person, and have only in recent years been a fan of Zelda, or even know much about Zelda at all beyond Smash Bros. I definitely think Vader could realistically win, but ESPECIALLY with the combined aspect of Link in this video, there is no reason he should have been destroyed in the way he was twice in this video. Hell, I'd argue that just BOTW/TOTK Link could win in specific circumstances. I just think Link is more generally fit to work on the spot and defeat almost anyone than Vader is.
You guys just earned yourself a sub! Very great choreography and animation, the reasoning makes sense in a way that did justice to both Vader and Link. Good job guys, and I'm looking forward to the next one!
Really hard to into words how much I loved this But I can try lol My favorite SB/CC by a decent margin The animation has certain jank in some segments and all but the moments that don’t are utterly spectacular, Vader’s voice was top tier and the writing of his lines were… “Untrained! Unfocused! And Weak!” Amazing The entire crew has improved so much through every episode to be better and better and it really paid off here
Thanks for a fight that really shows how terrifying Vader can be. Even though I thought Vader would win to start with, I was still hoping that Link would have some item, equipment or strategy that could win the day. Unfortunately against a roughly equal or weaker opponent the Force can be quite a dealbreaker with it's telekinesis, precognition and ability to enhance the user's physical capabilities. Edit: Getting bothersome notifications about people vs debating in my comment threads is why I usually don't comment on the videos directly, just the music. Thanks guys for giving more reason to stick with that.
Link had electric items/Urbosa's Fury to fry Vader's suit and leave him temporarily vulnerable, the Stasis Rune to stop Vader in his tracks, Hasty Elixer to match and Flurry Rush to outspeed him, and stronger scaling to Majora but Ink just didn't give it to him. Telekinesis would be a problem but Link could get his stuff back with Magnesis or the Magnetic Gloves (or Ultrahand), Flurry Rush could blitz precognition (it's a NINETEEN times multiplier), and had what he needed to form a strategy to beat Vader like Tarkin did.
@@matthewbaddams2302 you said you were hoping Link had "some item, equipment, or strategy that could win the day", i'm just telling you that he actually did.
@@floatingf8783 "Link had electric items (snip)" Irrelevant. Neither canon nor old canon version of Vader are weak to electricity like as if its a fucking RPG (or that he just forgorrr that insulation exists, lul), fan myths aside. New canon Vader has survived direct lightning from Sidious, with all that entails (hint; infinitely better than anything Link has), and old canon Vader has survived over 20-30 seconds worth of hilariously amplified lightning from TFU Starkiller without any visible injury, and per the Dark Side ending and the plans for the third game, he wasn't affected in any meaningful way and threw the fight. "...the Stasis Rune to stop Vader in his tracks" Blatant no-limits fallacy. And not even seemingly true in-universe besides. "...Hasty Elixir to match..." ....Vader, who in both canon's is easily supersonic to hypersonic in reaction times? Lul no. "...and Flurry Rush to outspeed him" At best, even with any amount of wank you can give to it, its something that would let him keep up with, not surpass, Vader's augmented speed. "...and stronger scaling to Majora..." Lul no. Scaling with Majora is and always has been a tricky and unreliable idea, for any number of reasons (the fact that magic doesn't seem to be used/abused in combat in LoZ terribly often for whatever reason, the fact Majora is batshit insane and spends half the fight acting like a looney-toon, not fighting, the fact Link probably has anti-magic resistance, the fact you can't scale Link to Majora's main and only real notable feat for obvious reasons, etc). The only viable way to do so would be via the Fierce Deity Mask based on the hype it has. Although, of course, if you want to go maximum silliness, its not as if Vader doesn't have nonsense that matches or exceeds Majora's 'drag down a decent sized meteor and lifewipe a country', in either canon, as well. "...but Link could get his stuff back with Magnesis or the Magnetic Gloves..." You're winning strategy to counter Vader's telekinesis being bullshit is....for Link to have to pull out a Not-Phone/put on a pair of gloves, and drag it back, and get himself situated, and blah blah blah, while...uh, I guess Vader just stands there and politely waits because it isn't his turn? That's your plan? Are you fucking real? "Flurry Rush could blitz precogniton..." Lul no. "....(its a NINTEEN times multipler)..." That's....neat, i guess...? "...and had what he need to form a strategy to beat Vader like Tarkin did..." .....Uh, but Tarkin didn't beat Vader, though. He lost. He managed to get Vader on his knees, but even at the end he still had enough strength left to put him in a Force choke, thus meaning the game was over. Nevermind, of course, that not only could Vader NOT kill Tarkin for obvious reasons and thus had to hold back to an extent, but that Tarkin is also, by all indications, just as or more clever than Link, and more importantly, had a number of advantages that Link doesn't and wouldn't. Anywho, Link dies. The vast majority of his incarnations die instantly, the rest die in a few seconds, and modern BOW/TOTK Link could perhaps hold out for a little while. A composite does have a few chances to win via his absurd arsenal and the element of surprise via it, as well as a few bits of hax, but his odds still aren't favourable.
@@papapalps2415 lol I agree with everything except the part where you say composite link would still struggle, Composite Link has age of calamity link included, Vader gets shitstomped
Great animation but I feel the research was lackluster, because it was against a deadline of some kind. Link’s research was copy and pasted from link vs Ridley, and Vader’s powers and abilities were barely touched on. Also link’s best wincons were never mentioned ie his infinite time stop and the fact you never considered speed multipliers for either character. You also never came to a conclusion of how fast Vader actually was, because if he’s 300mph, link is faster because of multipliers from potions and items, if he’s light speed but only in blocking it wouldn’t matter. I could list a million other things, but overall i think you should’ve waited to do better research for both characters.
I agree. Different style of vs. stats aside, he completely ignored their best wincons and hax. What of Link used Chateau Romani in tandem with the Magic Armor? What if Vader crushed Links organs? We need answers!
Yeah i feel like the research here was worse then any of the smash bracket episodes i've seen. Like they mentioned that Vader can react to lasers but not that Link has done the same exact thing for some reason and didnt even show where Vader's resistance to transmutation is from
I also just rewatched Link vs Ridley and saw that they put Ridley at higher speed then Vader yet said "Link could close the gap with flurry rush and slow him in time to counter" which i guess doesnt apply to Vader somehow?
@@Warking19 Close but no cigar. I'm not mad BECAUSE Link lost, i'm mad because of WHY he lost. Flurry Rush, which was how he kept up with Mach 1.5 Ridley and would make him 11 times faster than Vader, and the Timestops that were said in the Ridley fight to be counters to a faster opponent, were not brought up in the conclusion. Vader got to scale to Starkiller but Link didn't get to scale to the Divine Beasts, Calamity Ganon, or Majora. He should have at LEAST gotten the Divine Beast scaling as he could bring down Calamity Ganon, who survived 4 of their lasers, without the Master Sword, which would put him at the lower end of Mountain Level, far beyond Vader. Link's laser feats are ignored entirely while blaster bolts being real lasers is left open for Vader. To be blunt, the research is actively biased against Link by leaving out crucial things for him he recieved before and denying him scaling while giving Vader that luxary. I hate the animation in a vacuum disconnected from the research, I could give entire paragraphs on why I don't like it and even putting aside how Link gets stomped in it all the way through, which is bad regardless of who it's happening to, I have problems with how limited both fighters were, actually MORESO with Darth Vader as he never gets to use any of his counters.
@@floatingf8783 Yeah, I agree. The analysis and research was way off the smash bracket one for Link and seemed designed to cherry pick Vader's feats and abilities while Ignoring's link's to ensure Vader would win.
And Vader's given win-conditions that just objectively wouldn't work like mind controlling Link or making him fall asleep. In the Clone Wars TV show, Obi-Wan Kenobi immediately ruled out controlling Cad Bane's mind because it was too strong and when Obi-Wan, Anakin, and Mace Windu COMBINED their strength and tried it still failed. Vader is not stronger than those three combined, and his mind tricks have failed before like against Jabba the Hutt, so he cannot control Link's strong mind. The All-Nights mask makes Link incapable of falling asleep.
@anonymous_-xi9blI don’t want to be that guy but Vader could send away any projectiles with the force or send them right back at link. Vader could block most of the flurry rush but why would link try to rush the guy with a sword that could cut through basically anything
So, this was a great animation, but I'm going to argue against this result for a number of reasons: -If you really are using a composite Link, Link has multiple ways to become invulnerable through his items + magic (in just one game, AlttP, he has both a cape and staff that do this). And drinking Chateau Romani milk grants infinite magic for 72 hours. That makes his durability essentially infinite in a straight fight if he gets at least one chance to drink it, which with these listed speeds and leadup to Vader's arrival seems at least likely. The definite advantage there should go to link. Vader is tough but he is not on the level of pure invulnerability for days at a time. Link also has an additional invulnerability method not mentioned here in flurry rush. I don't understand why this fact is mentioned in both your and death battle's analysis but never brought up in the actual fight. Yes, I get that would make a boring animation, but he would win because of it. Also, link isn't exactly a stranger to being blasted with high powered lasers without taking too much damage even outside of his magic so it feels a bit off to see his limbs get severed so easily by a laser sword, even if it is a lightsaver. At max armor from just BOTW, a full guardian laser blast takes off just 2 hearts of his 20. *Actual* composite link would probably have even more damage reduction, or at least much more health. -I don't buy this speed comparison/advantage. What about Flurry rush or his bullet time from BotW? Link at least has access to bursts of speed through either method that make him far faster than his base movement speed. He also has to dodge only once for flurry rush's temporary invulnerability to activate. But sure, let's say Vader has force speed to make him even faster. At that point Link can split himself into multiple invulnerable copies to compensate with the four sword, and no Jedi or Sith has ever been in Force Speed that long as far as I know. They also never fight using it so there must be a limitation to that. -Starkiller's spaceship pulling feat has been on other analysis shows and it was brought up there that other source material confirmed there were circumstances aboard the ship that caused it's fall with starkiller only speeding up this proces. It's disingenuous to scale him to that feat. Though I've never heard of him tossing someone into the sun so I wouldn't know the specifics of that move. Even if he did this though, invulnerable link could teleport back to a shrine near the fight and continue. -On offense, ancient arrows is a flat-out instant kill as it seems to warp an enemy out of time/reality. He only has to land one somewhere during the fight to win. When you are invulnerable and have somewhat comparable speed plus bursts of much greater speed, you can simply wait out until the enemy gets tired and then land one shot. -All of this is seperate from the insane arsenal of other ability increasing items and magic from all Link's other games. One thing not mentioned here is how Vader is weak to Electricity, which Link canuse through both magic and items and also in area of effect moves. -Link's experience is measured through many different lifetimes. While vader has fought for two or three straight decades, Link's many lives fighting against many different kinds of enemies should rival the experience or come close. Taking this into account, the actual score seems to be: Durability: Link (Days-Long invulnerabilty + multiple shorter invulnerabilities + multiple resurrection methods + multiple magical full healing powers vs cyborg-level durability with limited healing powers. This is a stomp, there really is no contest.), Attack: Link or Tie (Vader perhaps has more raw magical attack through force attacks, but Link has a much more varied arsenal of items/attacks and access to electricity attacks, and should also overpower vader through brute strength in a swordfight), Speed: Tie (hardest to call imo, force sense + space combat reflexes vs Flurry rush and bullet-time, potential time stops during some moves), Experience: Tie (decades of warfare vs many lives of training + combat, but the latter probably only at peak during actual struggles vs Ganon while Anakin was at full war for longer and probably has more experience in swordfights vs other swordsman, but he has never fought against something with massive fantasy powers like composite Link. Roughly equal imo). The overal advantage would go to Link, especially since infinite durability is very hard to overcome. That said, good animation and voice acting. Good luck on having the channel grow further. '
Okay, but what if Vader just holds Link in a force hold for the entire 72 hour invulnerability period you mentioned? Does Link have a method of breaking free of the force hold, where Vader is holding Link tight? Genuine curiosity here, as I don't recall any. Way I see it, if be doesn't, Vader would simply grab Link with the force, and attempt to kill Link until it succeeds in the end.
@@crunchybanana6489 Unless the armor projects an aura of magical protection, I'd imagine so. It's not like the force is a physical application of magic, so in my eyes, it should still be effective against anything that isn't an aura effect.
I agree with all that, but also take into account that Link could very well know his weakness, and exploit it all with the Fierce Deity mask. Since it contains all the merits of the masks Link has collected in Termina, this means that once he puts on the Fierce Deity mask, he can use the Mask of Truths ability to read his mind as well. Besides that, his already god-like speed and senses are doubled thanks to the Bunny Hoods ability, hide entirely with the Stone Mask ability (though I'm not entirely sure about this one since Vader could sense his presence still with the force), can very well counter sleep via All Nights mask ability, and he can fairly stop the fight entirely with the Couples Mask, or use the Song of Healing.
@@dragex6582 Well, the cape from AlltP makes him both invulnerable and invisible, with the in-game effect also allowing him to walk through enemies IIRC. You can argue that is intangibility alongside invulnerability. The staff from the same game granting him invulnerability projects a magical spinning barrier around him so that would probably work if the cape doesn't. But that is just two ways, there is also I.E. the Magic armor from the Wind Waker granting invulnerability while magic lasts. I think force choke is a physical damage ability; in the KOTOR games, it is described as working through collapsing the target's lungs. As such invulnerability of any kind should prevent it. As for if Vader can hold link in the air for 72 hours straight with it; can he? Has he ever done such a thing for that long at a time? But even if he could, Link could split himself into four and start shooting him from four different directions with instant kill arrows or having the copied use AOE electricity attacks while still invulnerable. It just does not seem like Vader could focus well enough to indefinitely lift one of the links somewhere at a safe distance and deflect all his arrows/magic while simultaneously doing the same to the other three. Not at such a questionable advantage in speed, if he even has any.
I agree with the results but aside i do kinda find the whole thing with Link being susceptible to mind reading since he's been proven not to weak minded. Solid 9/10 for the episode though. Would've been a perfect one if the the justification for link being able to have his mind read by Vader had more explanation.
Dude I literally made a drawing of these two fighting once, amazing to see them legitimately fighting like this. Also Vader being even more of a cold-blooded killer
Thats exactly what I was thinking. Link was able to defeat a space galactic dragon but he couldnt defeat vadar. well to be fair vader is no pushover. especially with his crazy force powers, but I really thought link has this one in the bag
@@ranmoses2553 Having a piece of the Triforce already puts a the wielded at multiversal level. Ganondorf has been confirmed to have limitless power in Nintendo Power OoT and Twilight Princess. Due to Link fighting Ganondorf/Ganon makes Link on par with him. Thus making Link multiversal by comparison.
It's so nice to see a unique matchup on a versus show that hasnt already been done a million times. Two of my all-time favorite characters. Link pulling out the Master Sword and clashing with Vader was prob the single most hype I've ever gotten for a single moment in a versus show. I don't agree with the result, but that's okay. I love both characters, and the animation was fantastic, so I'm unbothered. Can't wait for more unique matchups!!
Oh my God, they're finally back after 7 months of waiting once again! But, whoa! Was that death ever that brutal?! I can't even think right now... Also, PLEASE tell me that Ben 10 VS Jaden will FINALLY happen soon...!
Man, I thought it was a LOCK that Link would win after Navi saved him. But this actually strayed from than the usual flow of VS Battle animations. Also helps that Vader didn't bring out the Force Demon, or the fight would instantly end of course :v
Well then... That was incredible and that ending genuinly gave me chills. SPOILERS, IF YOU SCROLL DOWN AND GET SPOILED THAT'S ON YOU, WATCH THE AMAZING VIDEO FIRST... Ridley must be jealous in hell right now, damn.
Well, the result is definitely unfortunate, but oh well, doesn't change the overall quality of the episode. Vader's VA did an absolutely incredible job, and I want to give a special shoutout to the music, it's probably one of my favorite tracks on either this or Smash Bracket. The reprises of the Zelda motifs in the extremely heavy orchestra of Star Wars was very interesting to hear.
Honestly, this is basically what Vader does on a planet that doesn't have Jedi. Link put up a good fight, but he had no knowledge of, or counter to the force. He could've just snapped Links neck at any time, but he loves a good melee. This is just a regular Tuesday for Vader.
Spoilers if ya haven't seen Darth Vader vs Obito Uchicha. While Vader loss yet again on DB He atleast won OUTSIDE of DB and its the Unofficial one as well. So he pretty much has 1-2 ratio of it.
This was fun to watch, but honestly, when a battle is this one-sided between characters who really don't have anything in common, I find myself wondering why it was made. Still, like I said, it was fun.
I think there was a lot wrong or missing from the analysis; Link was very underestimated and probably should have won. Still, as for why it exists, it is a fun thought experiment and the animation was well done.
@@Metawire61 The Black Hole move got calced to continent level, the low end of Termina's destruction that with the Manga Fierce Deity Link UPSCALES from. Majora's moon realm has a STAR in it, which would make Fierce Deity Link Star Level and make him stronger than Vader scaled to Darth Nihlus or Palpatine. No, Legends is not a different story.
My goodness these battles and animations are just simply beyond fantastic! I had a feeling in the force Vader would win :) I've only watched three of your battles so far this was the first one I guessed correctly, I am happy I found your channel and videos, you earned a new subscriber today :)
We all knew who was winning this fight. But that didn’t stop you guys making the fight SO DAMN GOOOOOOD!!!! The choreography, the flow, and the M U S I C! 10/10 better than A bunch of Death Battle fights hands down.
To be honest, I kind of knew what the outcome was. While link fought some serious bad guys, all of them were basically ancient tech at best. Darth Vader is literally using a sword hot enough to cut through metal. Not to mention he could’ve just continuously snapped his neck, every time he got up. He may be a fling found a way to continuously shock him and takeoff his life preservers he could’ve had a shot, but that’s not likely if he can deflect bolts.
To those thinking "couldn't link just use x item" remember that even if link and Vader were the same speed, that Vader for one has precognition, and for two can yoink any item out of link's hands with, bare minimum, enough force to yeet someone into the sun, meaning any attempt for link to cheese the fight with infinite magic or simular somethings wouldn't exactly work.
Happy to see Vader pull the W! There's a lot of feats from Link and Vader infamous in the vs community that put them way higher than what you placed them at, is there a way we could see the research process for the episode and why you guys bought certain feats while disregarded others?
The main thing to keep in mind (and Smash Bracket / Crossover Colosseum is very consistent about this) is that they try to avoid accepting or making assumptions about a character's upper limits. Just because the hero beat a 'world threatening villain', doesn't mean that villain could blow up a world, or even if they could, it doesn't mean the hero can survive or unleash that same kind of strength. After all, maybe they won through speed or cunning or other means? In Vader's case, while the force has been used to achieve singularity level feats, that doesn't prove Vader can use the force to that extent unless he undeniably demonstrates that kind of feat on his own. This is also why you rarely see character scaling in these shows, stat feats are only scaled if the two characters have tested the stat against each other. For example, recall that cool moment in the Anakin VS Obi-wan duel where they both try to force push each other but are instead stuck for moment before both being blasted back, that scene proves their force power was equal at the time, so Anakin's force feats from this point and earlier can be used to measure Obi-wan's force power. TLDR: If it didn't happen on-screen (or on-page), and if you can't put a measurable number on it, then as far as Smash Bracket / Crossover Colosseum is concerned, that 'feat' is either false or unusable.
@@finaldusk1821 That's a hilariously moronic and, for lack of a better word, 'normie' way of doing...anything, though. Scaling when used in excess is cancerous, yes, you don't need to look very (read; at all) hard to know that, but just solely relying upon what's explicitly seen and nothing else is every bit as brain damaged, unless I'm misinterpreting you here.
Wow, you actually gave it to Vader. How bout them apples? That ending was sick. I was shouting during the whole thing. I don't remember being that hyped up at a death since Wargreymon sliced up Mega Charizard X. You guys did real good.
I really do Love this channel, keep up the good uploads, I do have an few fight suggestions you guys can do Like Denji Vs Yuji (both series are currently blowing up rn so yeah), Giyuu Vs Levi, Akame Vs Killua, Ghost rider Vs spawn, Gowther Vs Sasori, Revy Vs spike, Shinobu Vs Mina, Gojo Vs makima I think those are some good matchups and an few more but yeah
The real thing that pisses me the fuck off is that he calls Link untrained and unfocused. Bullshit, Link has always been trained and focused on multiple occasions. Ik this is BOTW Link apparently, but seriously. Even in botw, Link was trained and focused, so that is just bullshit
Vader is clouded by the dark side of the force... But link has a lit path of destiny and light with a brave and valiant heart forged by the Gods since the dawn of good and evil.
Amazing video as always, the analysis needed some work tho, it was kinda obvious that vader was going to win as soon as ink said "chuck people into the sun" but i always enjoy rooting for the underdog
Now the real question is if link has the high ground or not Edit: huge spoilers for the episode scroll at your own risk. So Link did not have the high ground if he did he woulda won tbh.
After years of then both being in soul caliber and me dreaming for a fight between theses 2. It’s finally real. You guys are amazing. You have made my decade long fantasy a reality ❤ My only issue is that fierce Deity should have lasted longer in that fight. Now star killer vs link
a composite link will just be practically immortal.. the number of fairies and dishes he can wear or mipha grace to come back to life and heal, his many invulnerability objects like daruk protection, the mystic set, nayru love, the magic cape, his magic armors from twilight princess and wind waker, and all that without any limitation thanks to the Château romani which will make them last three days. All the incarnations of the spirit of the hero combine in a person will not have a weak spirit and vader could neither control it, nor know what he is going to do, nor put him to sleep because he has the all night mask. link also has the truth mask allowing him to read minds. on top of that a composite link will have access to an absolutely ridiculous number of abilities and items, giving him counters to virtually every vader option. He is also faster, he can dodge laser, has the flurry rush (boost ×19 speed) the rabbit mask, the pegasus boots, or can even stop vader in time with cinetis, make go back in time any inanimate object with recall, he can also go back three days ago with his ocarina of time. and then the mask of fierce deity link is infinitely more powerful than vader, the ending of the animation has the same effect on me as watching the alternate ending of lucina vs rob, something is wrong, fierce deity link have stomps majora who destroyed an entire dimension by sending a moon to crash, moon in which he created a dimension which has a sun so infinitely stronger than vader who has his prime can destroys an imperial star killer and even if he will only have his sword in the game , in therms of lore fierce deity link has the merit of all the masks which allow him to read minds, never sleep, become giant, be invisible, go faster, (explode, or do yoga?) ect .. apart from all that, the video is very pleasant to watch and I can't wait to see the channel grow, just a little disappointed that the animation look so good for its lack of connection with the research
16:11 sorry but attack: edge: link thanks to the mask of fierce deity which as said previously destroys the ass of a universal entity Durability: edge: link thanks to all its healing and invincibility items listed above speed: edge: darth vader but countered by link's time manipulating tools Combat Intelligence: hard to say, but again a composite link will have the experience of almost twenty incarnations who have defeated entities like ganon, majora or demise, and saying "one of the best fighters to ever live" for vader feels so biased when link is also the best of his universe
Solid reasoning, but could Link even use those items? Mind reading + precognition + telekinesis = an absolutely broken combo. Vader knows what items Link will use before even Link himself has decided to use them, and can effortlessly snatch them away, destroy them, or just using the force on him directly to limit his openings. A lot of the video's stats and scaling are really shaky, don't get me wrong, but unless Link's base speed is high enough to consistently stay ahead of Vader's mind reads and partial future-sight, then he's rarely going to get any chance to use his items. And since he's rarely shown starting combat while wearing a mask, he's unlikely to already be wearing one at the start of this fight. Link's busted inventory is a huge crux of his success in VS matches, and Vader happens to have the perfect combination of abilities to deny that key advantage.
@@finaldusk1821 very good arguments, but for me it won't be enough, in the video they use a composite link, so they mix all the incarnations of link to give it its highest potential, obviously it's a bit complicated to imagine such a fusion, but if we want to push this concept to the limit then yes logically he will use all his objects, in addition to that the specificity of link is to find the weak point of monsters or entities much more powerful than him, therefore with the arsenal of all the games it would be a fireworks of abilities, the four sword allows him to duplicate himself in 4 which will create even more unknown elements for vader, but if he can know what the four Link are going to do, how to prevent them from use invincibility item? go back in time? Or transform into fierce deity link? no matter if he kills him/them several times in the meantime, he will always have fairies, mipha grace or dishes until he finds an opening, he has managed to defeat stronger than vader counting all the zelda license
@@finaldusk1821 yes Link could bypass the precognition with his time-dilation and Hasty Elixir would still make him faster than Vader can actually act. Also, Link just needs to snap his fingers to use Urbosa's Fury, and while that in and of itself won't kill Vader electrical damage to his suit has always knocked him down for enough time Link would have an opening to do something. Link can also get his stuff back with Ultrahand as of Tears of the Kingdom.
@@nanunanu7880 The four sword doesn't duplicate link. The four sword makes temporal copies of link. It was because of vaati that in four swords and four swords adventure link duplicated.
Hey crossover stadium can you put a fight between peppino spaghetti (pizza tower) vs sonic (all sonic games only) simply because they are things that go speeeeeddddd
If I had a nickel for every time Link fought a famous villain from space, I'd have 2 nickels. Which isn't a lot but, it's weird that it happened twice. Right? Ok, seriously this was a really great fight. I think it's my favorite 3d fight the team made!!! Had some really cool moments especially for Vader. Vader definitely stole the show here. I absolutely loved the visceral "NO" Vader gave when he got trapped in the sand. One criticism I have is there was no real suspense to who was going to win. Besides hitting Vader with the arrow and the slice to his helmet, it didn't feel like Link got any major hits on Vader. More of a nitpick here, but I do wish Links slice on Vader's helmet would have revealed his an eye. It would have made Link's hit have more impact and could give Vader a chance to emote a little later in the fight. Like maybe showing his eyes narrow in contempt as he chokes Link to death, or widen in surprise a little as Link wearing the fierce deity mask knocks Vader against the wall. Also another minor nitpick is that I wish when Vader threw link near the lava that he caught on fire before Vader finished him off. Felt it would have been a good callback to Revenge of the Sith. Great job everyone!!!!
SPOILERS FOR EPISODE if you consider the mandalorian canon, it is stated that the only thing a lightsaber can’t cut through is beskar metal, which is a material exclusive to Star Wars and none of Link’s weapons or shields are made of. So paired with Vader’s mind reading and skill, Link could probably not use any sword or shield effectively- even the master sword.
That statement is simply wrong as Cortosis and Phyric exist and Anakin's lightsaber could not scratch the Zillo Beast. Also the Tri-Force of Courage protects Link's mind so Vader cannot read his mind, he's only got precognition and his VASTLY superior skill. Seriously, Vader hybridizing all 7 primary dualing forms should have been brought up.
The thing is, the moment you include another series, that statement looses some of it's value. In skyward sword, the hylian shield is literally stated to never break, same with some other weapons, and even the master sword can resist attacks from things similar to a lightsaber (blight weapons for example) This doesn't mean Link wins, but the master sword and hylian shield would absolutely resist those
@@Giose I do think that you're right about other series complicating things, but the hylian shield not breaking is false, as even if it can't break in skyward sword, it can in Breath of the Wild, and that comes after in the timeline. Plus, the blight weapons are not made of the same light that lightsabers are made of- they are sheikah energy, which is totally different.
wish link used more of his Arsenal in the fight animation, but still a great video keep up the great work also can you do tohru adachi vs freddy krueger one day
That Vader VA is genuinely incredible, 10/10 performance from him
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@@abigailquist1015 his voice acting want bad
I know right? his VC was amazingly epic
I wanna thank Crossover Colosseum for being generous and giving link the tools and powers of OoT and MM link, plus the sand rod from spirit tracks to give us a good show.
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Love Vader's response to the standard rod
Agreed and nice to see you here
Vader hates sand remember
Hey scout
SHUT UP
Show this to death battle
I don’t disagree that Vader Wins, however some of the reasoning just seems off like reading his mind or using the time Vader overpowered Starkiller as a feat. Link resists mind control and corruption all the time, hence why he gets deceived whilst Zelda is usually the one possessed. And Starkiller was never canon outside of Unleashed, he was a part of Legends before the Disney era.
Plus the Link used for the awesome animation got some new equipment and abilities in TotK that I would’ve like to have seen included, such as Earthwake.
Link has never resisted mind fuckery on the level of what Vader should be able to pull out. And yes, SK was canon...? You...literally just said as much yourself, lul. Force Unleashed was part of the old canon.
I agree link would win you know why at the end he's a hero
I think the thing that bothers me the most about their justification is vader being able to read links mind. Those kind of tricks only work on weak minded individuals. Link is not weak minded I don’t think that’s in question. That means that putting him to sleep or reading his mind won’t work. Link also retains the combat experience of all his past lives giving him decades of experience. He has the skill just not the memories of his past selves. The best way for vader to win this is to keep link from accessing his full arsenal and while I’m not completely certain I’m pretty sure their are quite a few weapons link doesn’t need to physically activate. Love seeing vader get a win and there are ways for him to win but I’m not 100% sold on this one.
I’m unsure how the weak mind means that the force works on it. I kinda internalised it as “if you know how to defend against it (which is easy) then it won’t work”
Mind control only works on weak minded individuals. Not sure if the same applies to plain mind reading. Even still, Vader has passive precognition, so he's gonna know Link's next move no matter what
The only thing that you can resist with a strong mind, is a mind trick. Everything else isn't a trick, it's manipulating your emotions, and controlling your body.
He really missed a lot of link's weapon like most of his champion abilities and the sheikah powers which one of them can stop time
@@alexbaribeault That is fair. The force is almost like spider sense but it does have limits. It’s not always a clear image for one and against opponents of similar power it’s pretty weak. It takes concentration to do and if you’re fighting someone as strong and fast as you are you don’t have that kind of time. Fallen order showed this off well (no spoilers please haven’t beaten it completely.) they did combine legends with the new stuff though so who knows legends was vast. The force unleashed gave vader his strongest feats and I’m not really sure how ripping a star destroyer out of the sky compares to some of links other feats. Oh, and starkiller destroyed another destroyer in the sequel by charging a single turbo laser with the force. The fact vader can scale to that is terrifying. I do think it would be a pretty close match in a few ways but vader has a bias against opponents who don’t use the force. I imagine he’d probably underestimate link at first. Though, he may also start seeing a bit of anakin in link as well so that would probably make him angrier. It’s not a matchup I’ve thought of before but it’s a fun one.
I would have to guess that the research process for Darth Vader was a time consuming process... There's just so much Star Wars material that could be considered primary or secondary canon.
Big Star Wars nerd here and a big fan of legends. But, I’m not sure if vader should have took this one granted the force does counter most direct attacks but a comp link with all his masks is a bit much for vader to take. I mean I like vader winning but my mind is just telling me somethings up here.
@@Doghero780 he shouldn't have. He reeeeeeeally shouldn't have. He got to scale to Starkiller when Link didn't scale to Majora or Calamity Ganon who are far stronger, Flurry Rush and Links own laser feats that would make him faster than Vader, and the Timestops that in his last fight were said to be a counter to a faster opponent were outright ignored, and when Vader's suit was disabled it crippled him for a meaningful amount of time so Link's electric weapons were still an advantage, and the Tri-Force of Courage protects his mind. Even the Kipp feat people scale him to only comes out to continental levels of power, comperable to Termina's destruction which Fierce Deity Link UPSCALES from because in the Manga he oneshot Majora's Wrath. Majora made a star in the moon realm, so Fierce Deity Link would be more powerful than a Force Storm, which is a specific power Vader's never used.
@@floatingf8783 yeah I tell they weren’t Link at full potential and just using the bare minimum
@@floatingf8783 to be fair George Lucas did say that vader was about 80% of palpatines power so it’s not impossible to scale him to that feat. I agree though I think the link vs Ridley fight had far better research
How did they even mess this up the research was already there :(
12:53 Vader's reaction to being trapped in sand is perfect
Never
Can't wait to watch this fight that will be able to "link" these worlds together and not have it be "forced"
Lol
Mad respect for these puns, made me chuckle XD
You aren’t exactly forcing a laugh outta me.
But good effort.
There’s only ones way to become better with puns.
-LINK THE FIRE!!-
Tri tri and tri again!!
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Who is stronger Link vs Hellboy honestly I would want to see that
Wasn’t the most hyped for this upon announcement but I adored this. Great job to everyone and while I was sad to see Link go, him using the Fierce Deity against Vader went he didn’t get to against Ridley was awesome.
Speaking of which Ridley must be cheering rn from hell.
After Vader chopped off Link's hand, I was expecting him to way "Link, I am your father."
Dang Link really used sand against him lol
I agree with the verdict, although I would have placed them at equal speeds (via blocking/reflecting lasers) and have given Link Battle IQ.
Yeah, he just gave the victory to vader 'cause the whole star wars fandom was against his throat
@@lycantubeves5992 it looks to me like all the Star Wars fans in the comments are saying Link should win lol
@@LeviathanGamer799 really? Lol
@@LeviathanGamer799 I've always been a Star Wars person, and have only in recent years been a fan of Zelda, or even know much about Zelda at all beyond Smash Bros. I definitely think Vader could realistically win, but ESPECIALLY with the combined aspect of Link in this video, there is no reason he should have been destroyed in the way he was twice in this video. Hell, I'd argue that just BOTW/TOTK Link could win in specific circumstances. I just think Link is more generally fit to work on the spot and defeat almost anyone than Vader is.
I think Gordon Freeman vs Isaac Clarke would be a fun match-up, both just normal engineers forced to survive against an alien threat
You guys just earned yourself a sub! Very great choreography and animation, the reasoning makes sense in a way that did justice to both Vader and Link. Good job guys, and I'm looking forward to the next one!
Idk if canon or Legends will be used for Vader, but if it's either, I hope they stick to just that. ...and I hope it's Legends.
Well that had some tonal whiplash.
Overall, it was a great episode as always crew!
Spoilers below:
I felt extreme despair!!!
Really hard to into words how much I loved this
But I can try lol
My favorite SB/CC by a decent margin
The animation has certain jank in some segments and all but the moments that don’t are utterly spectacular, Vader’s voice was top tier and the writing of his lines were…
“Untrained! Unfocused! And Weak!”
Amazing
The entire crew has improved so much through every episode to be better and better and it really paid off here
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Legends Vader? He wins. Canon Vader? He gets destroyed by Link lmfao
Legends Vader is jobber and canon Vader is the strongest with lord by wide margin
Thanks for a fight that really shows how terrifying Vader can be. Even though I thought Vader would win to start with, I was still hoping that Link would have some item, equipment or strategy that could win the day. Unfortunately against a roughly equal or weaker opponent the Force can be quite a dealbreaker with it's telekinesis, precognition and ability to enhance the user's physical capabilities.
Edit: Getting bothersome notifications about people vs debating in my comment threads is why I usually don't comment on the videos directly, just the music. Thanks guys for giving more reason to stick with that.
Link had electric items/Urbosa's Fury to fry Vader's suit and leave him temporarily vulnerable, the Stasis Rune to stop Vader in his tracks, Hasty Elixer to match and Flurry Rush to outspeed him, and stronger scaling to Majora but Ink just didn't give it to him. Telekinesis would be a problem but Link could get his stuff back with Magnesis or the Magnetic Gloves (or Ultrahand), Flurry Rush could blitz precognition (it's a NINETEEN times multiplier), and had what he needed to form a strategy to beat Vader like Tarkin did.
@@floatingf8783 Look I'm not interested in vs debating directly, I was just commenting on how the animation for the fight was presented.
@@matthewbaddams2302 you said you were hoping Link had "some item, equipment, or strategy that could win the day", i'm just telling you that he actually did.
@@floatingf8783 "Link had electric items (snip)"
Irrelevant. Neither canon nor old canon version of Vader are weak to electricity like as if its a fucking RPG (or that he just forgorrr that insulation exists, lul), fan myths aside. New canon Vader has survived direct lightning from Sidious, with all that entails (hint; infinitely better than anything Link has), and old canon Vader has survived over 20-30 seconds worth of hilariously amplified lightning from TFU Starkiller without any visible injury, and per the Dark Side ending and the plans for the third game, he wasn't affected in any meaningful way and threw the fight.
"...the Stasis Rune to stop Vader in his tracks"
Blatant no-limits fallacy. And not even seemingly true in-universe besides.
"...Hasty Elixir to match..."
....Vader, who in both canon's is easily supersonic to hypersonic in reaction times? Lul no.
"...and Flurry Rush to outspeed him"
At best, even with any amount of wank you can give to it, its something that would let him keep up with, not surpass, Vader's augmented speed.
"...and stronger scaling to Majora..."
Lul no. Scaling with Majora is and always has been a tricky and unreliable idea, for any number of reasons (the fact that magic doesn't seem to be used/abused in combat in LoZ terribly often for whatever reason, the fact Majora is batshit insane and spends half the fight acting like a looney-toon, not fighting, the fact Link probably has anti-magic resistance, the fact you can't scale Link to Majora's main and only real notable feat for obvious reasons, etc). The only viable way to do so would be via the Fierce Deity Mask based on the hype it has.
Although, of course, if you want to go maximum silliness, its not as if Vader doesn't have nonsense that matches or exceeds Majora's 'drag down a decent sized meteor and lifewipe a country', in either canon, as well.
"...but Link could get his stuff back with Magnesis or the Magnetic Gloves..."
You're winning strategy to counter Vader's telekinesis being bullshit is....for Link to have to pull out a Not-Phone/put on a pair of gloves, and drag it back, and get himself situated, and blah blah blah, while...uh, I guess Vader just stands there and politely waits because it isn't his turn? That's your plan? Are you fucking real?
"Flurry Rush could blitz precogniton..."
Lul no.
"....(its a NINTEEN times multipler)..."
That's....neat, i guess...?
"...and had what he need to form a strategy to beat Vader like Tarkin did..."
.....Uh, but Tarkin didn't beat Vader, though. He lost. He managed to get Vader on his knees, but even at the end he still had enough strength left to put him in a Force choke, thus meaning the game was over. Nevermind, of course, that not only could Vader NOT kill Tarkin for obvious reasons and thus had to hold back to an extent, but that Tarkin is also, by all indications, just as or more clever than Link, and more importantly, had a number of advantages that Link doesn't and wouldn't.
Anywho, Link dies. The vast majority of his incarnations die instantly, the rest die in a few seconds, and modern BOW/TOTK Link could perhaps hold out for a little while. A composite does have a few chances to win via his absurd arsenal and the element of surprise via it, as well as a few bits of hax, but his odds still aren't favourable.
@@papapalps2415 lol I agree with everything except the part where you say composite link would still struggle, Composite Link has age of calamity link included, Vader gets shitstomped
I think having multiple hosts makes the analysis way better
You guys are underrated you deserve like 1 million subscribers that how underrated you guys are
“That’s called a flurry rush, old man.”
-Link
Great animation but I feel the research was lackluster, because it was against a deadline of some kind. Link’s research was copy and pasted from link vs Ridley, and Vader’s powers and abilities were barely touched on.
Also link’s best wincons were never mentioned ie his infinite time stop and the fact you never considered speed multipliers for either character.
You also never came to a conclusion of how fast Vader actually was, because if he’s 300mph, link is faster because of multipliers from potions and items, if he’s light speed but only in blocking it wouldn’t matter. I could list a million other things, but overall i think you should’ve waited to do better research for both characters.
I agree. Different style of vs. stats aside, he completely ignored their best wincons and hax. What of Link used Chateau Romani in tandem with the Magic Armor? What if Vader crushed Links organs? We need answers!
Yeah i feel like the research here was worse then any of the smash bracket episodes i've seen. Like they mentioned that Vader can react to lasers but not that Link has done the same exact thing for some reason and didnt even show where Vader's resistance to transmutation is from
I also just rewatched Link vs Ridley and saw that they put Ridley at higher speed then Vader yet said "Link could close the gap with flurry rush and slow him in time to counter" which i guess doesnt apply to Vader somehow?
Crossover Colosseum out here making the worst possible matchups but still making banger episodes.
This pile of shit not being one of them.
@Floating F I'm guessing your mad because link lost
@@Warking19 Close but no cigar. I'm not mad BECAUSE Link lost, i'm mad because of WHY he lost. Flurry Rush, which was how he kept up with Mach 1.5 Ridley and would make him 11 times faster than Vader, and the Timestops that were said in the Ridley fight to be counters to a faster opponent, were not brought up in the conclusion. Vader got to scale to Starkiller but Link didn't get to scale to the Divine Beasts, Calamity Ganon, or Majora. He should have at LEAST gotten the Divine Beast scaling as he could bring down Calamity Ganon, who survived 4 of their lasers, without the Master Sword, which would put him at the lower end of Mountain Level, far beyond Vader. Link's laser feats are ignored entirely while blaster bolts being real lasers is left open for Vader. To be blunt, the research is actively biased against Link by leaving out crucial things for him he recieved before and denying him scaling while giving Vader that luxary.
I hate the animation in a vacuum disconnected from the research, I could give entire paragraphs on why I don't like it and even putting aside how Link gets stomped in it all the way through, which is bad regardless of who it's happening to, I have problems with how limited both fighters were, actually MORESO with Darth Vader as he never gets to use any of his counters.
@@floatingf8783 Yeah, I agree. The analysis and research was way off the smash bracket one for Link and seemed designed to cherry pick Vader's feats and abilities while Ignoring's link's to ensure Vader would win.
And Vader's given win-conditions that just objectively wouldn't work like mind controlling Link or making him fall asleep. In the Clone Wars TV show, Obi-Wan Kenobi immediately ruled out controlling Cad Bane's mind because it was too strong and when Obi-Wan, Anakin, and Mace Windu COMBINED their strength and tried it still failed. Vader is not stronger than those three combined, and his mind tricks have failed before like against Jabba the Hutt, so he cannot control Link's strong mind. The All-Nights mask makes Link incapable of falling asleep.
So did we forget about bullet time and flurry rush?
@anonymous_-xi9blI don’t want to be that guy but Vader could send away any projectiles with the force or send them right back at link. Vader could block most of the flurry rush but why would link try to rush the guy with a sword that could cut through basically anything
So, this was a great animation, but I'm going to argue against this result for a number of reasons:
-If you really are using a composite Link, Link has multiple ways to become invulnerable through his items + magic (in just one game, AlttP, he has both a cape and staff that do this). And drinking Chateau Romani milk grants infinite magic for 72 hours. That makes his durability essentially infinite in a straight fight if he gets at least one chance to drink it, which with these listed speeds and leadup to Vader's arrival seems at least likely. The definite advantage there should go to link. Vader is tough but he is not on the level of pure invulnerability for days at a time. Link also has an additional invulnerability method not mentioned here in flurry rush. I don't understand why this fact is mentioned in both your and death battle's analysis but never brought up in the actual fight. Yes, I get that would make a boring animation, but he would win because of it.
Also, link isn't exactly a stranger to being blasted with high powered lasers without taking too much damage even outside of his magic so it feels a bit off to see his limbs get severed so easily by a laser sword, even if it is a lightsaver. At max armor from just BOTW, a full guardian laser blast takes off just 2 hearts of his 20. *Actual* composite link would probably have even more damage reduction, or at least much more health.
-I don't buy this speed comparison/advantage. What about Flurry rush or his bullet time from BotW? Link at least has access to bursts of speed through either method that make him far faster than his base movement speed. He also has to dodge only once for flurry rush's temporary invulnerability to activate. But sure, let's say Vader has force speed to make him even faster. At that point Link can split himself into multiple invulnerable copies to compensate with the four sword, and no Jedi or Sith has ever been in Force Speed that long as far as I know. They also never fight using it so there must be a limitation to that.
-Starkiller's spaceship pulling feat has been on other analysis shows and it was brought up there that other source material confirmed there were circumstances aboard the ship that caused it's fall with starkiller only speeding up this proces. It's disingenuous to scale him to that feat. Though I've never heard of him tossing someone into the sun so I wouldn't know the specifics of that move. Even if he did this though, invulnerable link could teleport back to a shrine near the fight and continue.
-On offense, ancient arrows is a flat-out instant kill as it seems to warp an enemy out of time/reality. He only has to land one somewhere during the fight to win. When you are invulnerable and have somewhat comparable speed plus bursts of much greater speed, you can simply wait out until the enemy gets tired and then land one shot.
-All of this is seperate from the insane arsenal of other ability increasing items and magic from all Link's other games. One thing not mentioned here is how Vader is weak to Electricity, which Link canuse through both magic and items and also in area of effect moves.
-Link's experience is measured through many different lifetimes. While vader has fought for two or three straight decades, Link's many lives fighting against many different kinds of enemies should rival the experience or come close.
Taking this into account, the actual score seems to be: Durability: Link (Days-Long invulnerabilty + multiple shorter invulnerabilities + multiple resurrection methods + multiple magical full healing powers vs cyborg-level durability with limited healing powers. This is a stomp, there really is no contest.), Attack: Link or Tie (Vader perhaps has more raw magical attack through force attacks, but Link has a much more varied arsenal of items/attacks and access to electricity attacks, and should also overpower vader through brute strength in a swordfight), Speed: Tie (hardest to call imo, force sense + space combat reflexes vs Flurry rush and bullet-time, potential time stops during some moves), Experience: Tie (decades of warfare vs many lives of training + combat, but the latter probably only at peak during actual struggles vs Ganon while Anakin was at full war for longer and probably has more experience in swordfights vs other swordsman, but he has never fought against something with massive fantasy powers like composite Link. Roughly equal imo). The overal advantage would go to Link, especially since infinite durability is very hard to overcome.
That said, good animation and voice acting. Good luck on having the channel grow further.
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Okay, but what if Vader just holds Link in a force hold for the entire 72 hour invulnerability period you mentioned? Does Link have a method of breaking free of the force hold, where Vader is holding Link tight? Genuine curiosity here, as I don't recall any. Way I see it, if be doesn't, Vader would simply grab Link with the force, and attempt to kill Link until it succeeds in the end.
I wonder how the interaction between magic armour and force holding/choking would work. Would Vader still be able to constrict his throat through it?
@@crunchybanana6489 Unless the armor projects an aura of magical protection, I'd imagine so. It's not like the force is a physical application of magic, so in my eyes, it should still be effective against anything that isn't an aura effect.
I agree with all that, but also take into account that Link could very well know his weakness, and exploit it all with the Fierce Deity mask. Since it contains all the merits of the masks Link has collected in Termina, this means that once he puts on the Fierce Deity mask, he can use the Mask of Truths ability to read his mind as well.
Besides that, his already god-like speed and senses are doubled thanks to the Bunny Hoods ability, hide entirely with the Stone Mask ability (though I'm not entirely sure about this one since Vader could sense his presence still with the force), can very well counter sleep via All Nights mask ability, and he can fairly stop the fight entirely with the Couples Mask, or use the Song of Healing.
@@dragex6582 Well, the cape from AlltP makes him both invulnerable and invisible, with the in-game effect also allowing him to walk through enemies IIRC. You can argue that is intangibility alongside invulnerability. The staff from the same game granting him invulnerability projects a magical spinning barrier around him so that would probably work if the cape doesn't. But that is just two ways, there is also I.E. the Magic armor from the Wind Waker granting invulnerability while magic lasts.
I think force choke is a physical damage ability; in the KOTOR games, it is described as working through collapsing the target's lungs. As such invulnerability of any kind should prevent it.
As for if Vader can hold link in the air for 72 hours straight with it; can he? Has he ever done such a thing for that long at a time? But even if he could, Link could split himself into four and start shooting him from four different directions with instant kill arrows or having the copied use AOE electricity attacks while still invulnerable. It just does not seem like Vader could focus well enough to indefinitely lift one of the links somewhere at a safe distance and deflect all his arrows/magic while simultaneously doing the same to the other three. Not at such a questionable advantage in speed, if he even has any.
The downplay is crazy
I agree with the results but aside i do kinda find the whole thing with Link being susceptible to mind reading since he's been proven not to weak minded. Solid 9/10 for the episode though. Would've been a perfect one if the the justification for link being able to have his mind read by Vader had more explanation.
LOL
When he fell in the sand he said no
Dude I literally made a drawing of these two fighting once, amazing to see them legitimately fighting like this. Also Vader being even more of a cold-blooded killer
Link-
Succeeded to Kill Ridley
Failed to Kill Vader
Thats exactly what I was thinking. Link was able to defeat a space galactic dragon but he couldnt defeat vadar. well to be fair vader is no pushover. especially with his crazy force powers, but I really thought link has this one in the bag
@@bedsidekhair3667 Well Vader has more power on his side and is much more durable.
Damn, that was brutal.
Link: I got the power of the Triforce.
Vader: You don't me, but I am a Sith and I have the power of the Dark Side.
You know the Triforce is multiversal right?
@@porobotboyxxxbut link dosn't have the full triforce
Also link triforce of corrage dosn't give him power or magic
@@porobotboyxxx People should really figure out how this ruleset works
@@ranmoses2553 Having a piece of the Triforce already puts a the wielded at multiversal level. Ganondorf has been confirmed to have limitless power in Nintendo Power OoT and Twilight Princess. Due to Link fighting Ganondorf/Ganon makes Link on par with him. Thus making Link multiversal by comparison.
@@levdaboi5587 Well Coliseum and Smash Bracket needs to do better.
Ganondorf. The Triforce of Power has chosen a new host.
I’m wondering why this is getting a low amount of views. This was very cool to watch
It's so nice to see a unique matchup on a versus show that hasnt already been done a million times. Two of my all-time favorite characters. Link pulling out the Master Sword and clashing with Vader was prob the single most hype I've ever gotten for a single moment in a versus show. I don't agree with the result, but that's okay. I love both characters, and the animation was fantastic, so I'm unbothered. Can't wait for more unique matchups!!
Oh my God, they're finally back after 7 months of waiting once again!
But, whoa! Was that death ever that brutal?! I can't even think right now...
Also, PLEASE tell me that Ben 10 VS Jaden will FINALLY happen soon...!
Link could use stasis on Vader's armor and smack him, rinse and repeat.
That isn't how Stasis works.
@@quax2440 Except that still isn't how Stasis works.
Litteraly the whole Fierce deity Scene got nerfed, Link would have Fucked bro up
Absolutely amazing video and matchup.
That kill was cold as fuck
respectable fight. awesome animation!!
Man, I thought it was a LOCK that Link would win after Navi saved him. But this actually strayed from than the usual flow of VS Battle animations. Also helps that Vader didn't bring out the Force Demon, or the fight would instantly end of course :v
Well then... That was incredible and that ending genuinly gave me chills.
SPOILERS, IF YOU SCROLL DOWN AND GET SPOILED THAT'S ON YOU, WATCH THE AMAZING VIDEO FIRST...
Ridley must be jealous in hell right now, damn.
Ridley was done poorly in Link vs Ridley. He should have clapped Link
This is legitimately better than the death battle
Agreed 👍
um no it defintely isn't since these two didn't even fight in death battle, but since you're most likely referring to his obito battle yeah no
@@silentclaw6439 I was referring to that and yeah I think they did a better job
@thatoneguy4074 ehhh that's comparing a ice cream sundae to a cupcake
@@slavbandit8880 I don’t like a Sunday sooooo
Alternative Title:Link Vs Darth Vader(Nintendo Vs Lucasfilms) | Crossover Colosseum
Bruh you forgot that Link can literally stop/recall time
That was an intense and brutal battle.
Great video.
Well, the result is definitely unfortunate, but oh well, doesn't change the overall quality of the episode. Vader's VA did an absolutely incredible job, and I want to give a special shoutout to the music, it's probably one of my favorite tracks on either this or Smash Bracket. The reprises of the Zelda motifs in the extremely heavy orchestra of Star Wars was very interesting to hear.
Who is stronger King Dedede vs Amy rose
@@questionking3553king dedede is winning although he may struggle with Amy's speed she really has nothing else
Haku vs the Ice climbers
Link: It's over Anakin I have the master sword.
I never thought I needed this fight, but omg this was dope
Not what I expected I generally thought Link would win
He would’ve, They nerfed Fierce deity
That final scene was so good. Well done!
Props to the guy who voiced Vader he did an amazing job.
Who is stronger sephiroth vs All for one
@@questionking3553sephiroth no diffs the verse with a fart
Amazing video.
While I understand how much Vader stomps, I was still really sad to see Link die. Boi did not deserve that much crippling.
Honestly, this is basically what Vader does on a planet that doesn't have Jedi. Link put up a good fight, but he had no knowledge of, or counter to the force. He could've just snapped Links neck at any time, but he loves a good melee. This is just a regular Tuesday for Vader.
Spoilers if ya haven't seen Darth Vader vs Obito Uchicha.
While Vader loss yet again on DB
He atleast won OUTSIDE of DB and its the Unofficial one as well. So he pretty much has 1-2 ratio of it.
I may be late but he is 2-2. He beat Magneto in the DBX.
Yeah, i don't think a bottle of fairies could have saved link from that fate lol.
This is such a weird episode for me because I'm rooting for a link but at the same time I knew Darth Vader was going to win...
Wow this animation is awesome!
This was fun to watch, but honestly, when a battle is this one-sided between characters who really don't have anything in common, I find myself wondering why it was made.
Still, like I said, it was fun.
I think there was a lot wrong or missing from the analysis; Link was very underestimated and probably should have won. Still, as for why it exists, it is a fun thought experiment and the animation was well done.
@@dieuwtjin They were sticking to canon Vader. Link easily has this
Legends Vader is another story
@@Metawire61 The Black Hole move got calced to continent level, the low end of Termina's destruction that with the Manga Fierce Deity Link UPSCALES from. Majora's moon realm has a STAR in it, which would make Fierce Deity Link Star Level and make him stronger than Vader scaled to Darth Nihlus or Palpatine. No, Legends is not a different story.
The episode was made because a fan of the show got to choose a match-up, and this is what they chose.
This is the first battle that has me actually on the edge in a long time
Was that brutal?
Yes.
Was I surprised?
No.
This was a good fight can’t wait for more
I feel like Luke skywalker vs link. Would have made more sense but still this was a good episode
My goodness these battles and animations are just simply beyond fantastic! I had a feeling in the force Vader would win :)
I've only watched three of your battles so far this was the first one I guessed correctly, I am happy I found your channel and videos, you earned a new subscriber today :)
We all knew who was winning this fight. But that didn’t stop you guys making the fight SO DAMN GOOOOOOD!!!! The choreography, the flow, and the M U S I C! 10/10 better than A bunch of Death Battle fights hands down.
I didn’t know
You earned my subscription
To be honest, I kind of knew what the outcome was. While link fought some serious bad guys, all of them were basically ancient tech at best. Darth Vader is literally using a sword hot enough to cut through metal. Not to mention he could’ve just continuously snapped his neck, every time he got up. He may be a fling found a way to continuously shock him and takeoff his life preservers he could’ve had a shot, but that’s not likely if he can deflect bolts.
Basically Legends Vader vs Amalgam Link
To those thinking "couldn't link just use x item" remember that even if link and Vader were the same speed, that Vader for one has precognition, and for two can yoink any item out of link's hands with, bare minimum, enough force to yeet someone into the sun, meaning any attempt for link to cheese the fight with infinite magic or simular somethings wouldn't exactly work.
Me when link snaps his fingers once and kills vader instantly
Link: *uses magnesis and takes of Vaders helmet*
Prediction: going in blind
Vader stomps.
Hard.
A MIDDLING version of him repelled an entire ocean, but technically 3 times thanks to gravity.
Happy to see Vader pull the W! There's a lot of feats from Link and Vader infamous in the vs community that put them way higher than what you placed them at, is there a way we could see the research process for the episode and why you guys bought certain feats while disregarded others?
Agreed
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The main thing to keep in mind (and Smash Bracket / Crossover Colosseum is very consistent about this) is that they try to avoid accepting or making assumptions about a character's upper limits.
Just because the hero beat a 'world threatening villain', doesn't mean that villain could blow up a world, or even if they could, it doesn't mean the hero can survive or unleash that same kind of strength. After all, maybe they won through speed or cunning or other means?
In Vader's case, while the force has been used to achieve singularity level feats, that doesn't prove Vader can use the force to that extent unless he undeniably demonstrates that kind of feat on his own.
This is also why you rarely see character scaling in these shows, stat feats are only scaled if the two characters have tested the stat against each other.
For example, recall that cool moment in the Anakin VS Obi-wan duel where they both try to force push each other but are instead stuck for moment before both being blasted back, that scene proves their force power was equal at the time, so Anakin's force feats from this point and earlier can be used to measure Obi-wan's force power.
TLDR: If it didn't happen on-screen (or on-page), and if you can't put a measurable number on it, then as far as Smash Bracket / Crossover Colosseum is concerned, that 'feat' is either false or unusable.
@@finaldusk1821 That's a hilariously moronic and, for lack of a better word, 'normie' way of doing...anything, though. Scaling when used in excess is cancerous, yes, you don't need to look very (read; at all) hard to know that, but just solely relying upon what's explicitly seen and nothing else is every bit as brain damaged, unless I'm misinterpreting you here.
Of course he shot an arrow into the glowing weak point
Wow, you actually gave it to Vader. How bout them apples?
That ending was sick. I was shouting during the whole thing. I don't remember being that hyped up at a death since Wargreymon sliced up Mega Charizard X. You guys did real good.
I really do Love this channel, keep up the good uploads, I do have an few fight suggestions you guys can do
Like Denji Vs Yuji (both series are currently blowing up rn so yeah), Giyuu Vs Levi, Akame Vs Killua, Ghost rider Vs spawn, Gowther Vs Sasori, Revy Vs spike, Shinobu Vs Mina, Gojo Vs makima I think those are some good matchups and an few more but yeah
The real thing that pisses me the fuck off is that he calls Link untrained and unfocused. Bullshit, Link has always been trained and focused on multiple occasions. Ik this is BOTW Link apparently, but seriously. Even in botw, Link was trained and focused, so that is just bullshit
Compared to Vader? He very much is and had minus well be, frankly.
Vader is clouded by the dark side of the force... But link has a lit path of destiny and light with a brave and valiant heart forged by the Gods since the dawn of good and evil.
@@papapalps2415link was able to beta an adult as a child, he can kill calamity cannon with a stick.
@@PotassiumIsDumb That's...neat, I guess?
This isn’t even BotW Link video said it was comp Link.
Amazing video as always, the analysis needed some work tho, it was kinda obvious that vader was going to win as soon as ink said "chuck people into the sun" but i always enjoy rooting for the underdog
Now the real question is if link has the high ground or not
Edit: huge spoilers for the episode scroll at your own risk.
So Link did not have the high ground if he did he woulda won tbh.
After years of then both being in soul caliber and me dreaming for a fight between theses 2. It’s finally real. You guys are amazing. You have made my decade long fantasy a reality ❤
My only issue is that fierce Deity should have lasted longer in that fight.
Now star killer vs link
Such a weird matchup😅.
Vader probably wins but im just happy to see link again.
I kind of wanna see a fight between Mario versus mickey mouse
a composite link will just be practically immortal.. the number of fairies and dishes he can wear or mipha grace to come back to life and heal, his many invulnerability objects like daruk protection, the mystic set, nayru love, the magic cape, his magic armors from twilight princess and wind waker, and all that without any limitation thanks to the Château romani which will make them last three days.
All the incarnations of the spirit of the hero combine in a person will not have a weak spirit and vader could neither control it, nor know what he is going to do, nor put him to sleep because he has the all night mask. link also has the truth mask allowing him to read minds.
on top of that a composite link will have access to an absolutely ridiculous number of abilities and items, giving him counters to virtually every vader option. He is also faster, he can dodge laser, has the flurry rush (boost ×19 speed) the rabbit mask, the pegasus boots, or can even stop vader in time with cinetis, make go back in time any inanimate object with recall, he can also go back three days ago with his ocarina of time. and then the mask of fierce deity link is infinitely more powerful than vader, the ending of the animation has the same effect on me as watching the alternate ending of lucina vs rob, something is wrong, fierce deity link have stomps majora who destroyed an entire dimension by sending a moon to crash, moon in which he created a dimension which has a sun so infinitely stronger than vader who has his prime can destroys an imperial star killer
and even if he will only have his sword in the game , in therms of lore fierce deity link has the merit of all the masks which allow him to read minds, never sleep, become giant, be invisible, go faster, (explode, or do yoga?) ect ..
apart from all that, the video is very pleasant to watch and I can't wait to see the channel grow, just a little disappointed that the animation look so good for its lack of connection with the research
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sorry but
attack: edge: link thanks to the mask of fierce deity which as said previously destroys the ass of a universal entity
Durability: edge: link thanks to all its healing and invincibility items listed above
speed: edge: darth vader but countered by link's time manipulating tools
Combat Intelligence: hard to say, but again a composite link will have the experience of almost twenty incarnations who have defeated entities like ganon, majora or demise, and saying "one of the best fighters to ever live" for vader feels so biased when link is also the best of his universe
Solid reasoning, but could Link even use those items? Mind reading + precognition + telekinesis = an absolutely broken combo.
Vader knows what items Link will use before even Link himself has decided to use them, and can effortlessly snatch them away, destroy them, or just using the force on him directly to limit his openings.
A lot of the video's stats and scaling are really shaky, don't get me wrong, but unless Link's base speed is high enough to consistently stay ahead of Vader's mind reads and partial future-sight, then he's rarely going to get any chance to use his items.
And since he's rarely shown starting combat while wearing a mask, he's unlikely to already be wearing one at the start of this fight.
Link's busted inventory is a huge crux of his success in VS matches, and Vader happens to have the perfect combination of abilities to deny that key advantage.
@@finaldusk1821 very good arguments, but for me it won't be enough, in the video they use a composite link, so they mix all the incarnations of link to give it its highest potential, obviously it's a bit complicated to imagine such a fusion, but if we want to push this concept to the limit then yes logically he will use all his objects, in addition to that the specificity of link is to find the weak point of monsters or entities much more powerful than him, therefore with the arsenal of all the games it would be a fireworks of abilities, the four sword allows him to duplicate himself in 4 which will create even more unknown elements for vader, but if he can know what the four Link are going to do, how to prevent them from use invincibility item? go back in time? Or transform into fierce deity link? no matter if he kills him/them several times in the meantime, he will always have fairies, mipha grace or dishes until he finds an opening, he has managed to defeat stronger than vader counting all the zelda license
@@finaldusk1821 yes Link could bypass the precognition with his time-dilation and Hasty Elixir would still make him faster than Vader can actually act. Also, Link just needs to snap his fingers to use Urbosa's Fury, and while that in and of itself won't kill Vader electrical damage to his suit has always knocked him down for enough time Link would have an opening to do something. Link can also get his stuff back with Ultrahand as of Tears of the Kingdom.
@@nanunanu7880 The four sword doesn't duplicate link. The four sword makes temporal copies of link. It was because of vaati that in four swords and four swords adventure link duplicated.
hey sha-dud, can you do bomberman vs pac-man, oh to simply describe it, two people throwing things at each other sha-dud
0:24 *Link Analysis*
5:12 *Darth Vader Analysis*
11:13 *Fight*
15:50 *Post Analysis*
R.i.p. James Earl Jones. The voice actor of Darth Vader. (1931-2024).
Ya but run it back with Speedrunner Link.
Absolutely incredible match I really like the matches you pick!
I would love to see if you could do Red vs Peashooter
Vader Didn't turn into a Giant F*cking Scorpion...
0/10
For real though Awesome Fight, a crossover everyone has been begging for, and great parallels!
Nice avgn reference
Hey crossover stadium can you put a fight between peppino spaghetti (pizza tower) vs sonic (all sonic games only) simply because they are things that go speeeeeddddd
If I had a nickel for every time Link fought a famous villain from space, I'd have 2 nickels. Which isn't a lot but, it's weird that it happened twice. Right?
Ok, seriously this was a really great fight. I think it's my favorite 3d fight the team made!!! Had some really cool moments especially for Vader. Vader definitely stole the show here. I absolutely loved the visceral "NO" Vader gave when he got trapped in the sand.
One criticism I have is there was no real suspense to who was going to win. Besides hitting Vader with the arrow and the slice to his helmet, it didn't feel like Link got any major hits on Vader.
More of a nitpick here, but I do wish Links slice on Vader's helmet would have revealed his an eye. It would have made Link's hit have more impact and could give Vader a chance to emote a little later in the fight. Like maybe showing his eyes narrow in contempt as he chokes Link to death, or widen in surprise a little as Link wearing the fierce deity mask knocks Vader against the wall.
Also another minor nitpick is that I wish when Vader threw link near the lava that he caught on fire before Vader finished him off. Felt it would have been a good callback to Revenge of the Sith.
Great job everyone!!!!
My real question is how did Darth Vader’s lightsaber not cut through the master sword or link’s shield, but it did cut through his other weapon
'Sabers have historically struggled with 'enchanted' weaponry in-universe, so its not necessarily unprecedented.
because they're magically enchanted
Really depends on where they scale vader but i see him only being put at country level i can also see them giving the win to link because of hax
Yeah he can be scaled to like moving a black hole if you try decently so it really depends on what they consider
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@@ianjordan8964 that feat shockingly only comes out to Continental, so if Link was scaled to Majora destroying Termina he could match that.
Me before watching this: Link for the win
Me after watching this: GOD DAMN
In retrospect it was pretty obvious how much they were wanking Star Wars when a gaggle of stormtroopers no-sold Urbosa’s Fury
Vader wasn't wanked, he absolutely scales to Starkiller, Link was just done insanely dirty.
wow this is amazing
SPOILERS FOR EPISODE
if you consider the mandalorian canon, it is stated that the only thing a lightsaber can’t cut through is beskar metal, which is a material exclusive to Star Wars and none of Link’s weapons or shields are made of. So paired with Vader’s mind reading and skill, Link could probably not use any sword or shield effectively- even the master sword.
That statement is simply wrong as Cortosis and Phyric exist and Anakin's lightsaber could not scratch the Zillo Beast.
Also the Tri-Force of Courage protects Link's mind so Vader cannot read his mind, he's only got precognition and his VASTLY superior skill. Seriously, Vader hybridizing all 7 primary dualing forms should have been brought up.
@@floatingf8783 To be fair, they did mention that Vader created his own Saber style.
Actually it was referring to the dark saber, so you might be right. I just assumed they were simulating power.
The thing is, the moment you include another series, that statement looses some of it's value. In skyward sword, the hylian shield is literally stated to never break, same with some other weapons, and even the master sword can resist attacks from things similar to a lightsaber (blight weapons for example)
This doesn't mean Link wins, but the master sword and hylian shield would absolutely resist those
@@Giose I do think that you're right about other series complicating things, but the hylian shield not breaking is false, as even if it can't break in skyward sword, it can in Breath of the Wild, and that comes after in the timeline. Plus, the blight weapons are not made of the same light that lightsabers are made of- they are sheikah energy, which is totally different.
This is far better than Death Battle tbh.
link does have the highground
xD
wish link used more of his Arsenal in the fight animation, but still a great video keep up the great work also can you do tohru adachi vs freddy krueger one day