What is the best efoil? Fliteboard or Liftfoils? Which efoil to pick? This question comes up again and again! And today we are going to answer it once and for all! We are doing an honest and unbiased Side By Side Comparison of a brand new Lift Foils E3 4.2 Pro board vs brand new Fliteboard Ultra efoil! In this long and in-depth video we are going through every detail trying to help you make an educated decision on which board to pick!Timeline: 00:00 FLITEBOARD vs LIFTFOILS Side By Side Comparison 02:20 Comparing their travel bags 04:16 Lift3 Pro 4.2 Electric Hydrofoil specs 04:35 Fliteboard Efoil Series 2 Model ULTRA 06:15 Comparing the weight of efoils 07:06 How Fliteboard and Liftfoils got to the market? 08:40 Comparing the mast 09:15 Fliteboard unified fuselage 10:52 Comparing motors and noise levels 11:40 Comparing efoil mast materials pros&cons 14:08 Comparing the efoil wings 16:30 Comparing Fliteboard and Lift foils propellers 17:40 Lift foils folding prop 19:20 Comparing what is inside efoil hatch 23:04 Comparing Lift and Flite batteries 25:30 Comparing Liftfoils and Fliteboard remotes 27:00 New Lift3 elite remote 27:50 Comparing the shape of the boards and volume 29:00 Final advice which board to pick 30:00 Comparing riding experience and first impressions 32:30 Range test results
Mike - I cringe every time I see the hatch on your new Lift efoil cranked open past 90-degrees, Keep doing that and the hinges will bend up so the hatch seal won't be fully compressed when closed and you'll will get water inside your hatch.
I recently rode a Lift efoil and it was a dream! To my understanding, Lift owns the technology behind the efoil boards and many companies are currently in lawsuits with the Lift company over pirated technology. I cant speak for Flite efoil, but if you ever have to call Lift customer service, you are getting superior service since you are actually calling the same building where the creators work. They are very attentive and responsive. Now lets all hope the manufacturing process become more mainstream so we can all afford these amazing machines!
Excellent video. I have a Lift E3 4.9 with the 32 inch mast and folding prop. I agree with all your points. It is a great board and very well made. I agree the Fliteboard has a much simpler design when it comes to the battery connection and cooling system. I like the tougher design of the Lift board but not a fan of the controller. My choice between the two was based upon the location of purchase and access to service/parts. Lift was easier for me in both cases. Also - I didn't want to send my eFoil to an authorized service center for it's yearly maintenance check up. Lift doesn't require that type of maintenance action. I use my foil everyday and didn't want it gone for a couple weeks for someone to check it where I probably could do myself. Overall - I think both eFoils are top choices and you can't go wrong with any of them. Again - fantastic video and keep up the great reviews.
Great points, thank you Remick for detailed feedback. I would add Fliteboard maintenance is not really a requirement, just a recommendation. Like with Lift, nothing really will happen if you properly clean the board after each use.
(Edited)Ok, the point about simple recovery from breaching not being important is confusing to me. You say that "professionals don't breach so it doesn't matter". But almost none of us are professionals, when I saw the Fliteboard's main wing breach and then just slide under again without a drama, I was sold. This is the scariest aspect of the sport to me. What else do I like: , I'll be using it in the surf so the free spinning prop is gold, Stronger mast, with adjustable angle of rear wing, better electronics, better controller and apparent range I'm also from Sydney... No brainer, it's the Fliteboard for me, likely purchase next year... Thanks so much 🙏🙏🙏
I don't consider myself a "professional" as well. But I almost never breach my motor on Lift. It's not a big deal really especially if you got a long 32 inch mast. Worst case if you breach you just nosedive and fall, and start all over.
Motor breach and foil wing breach are different things. If your Lift motor/prop breaches the pulling power decreases and your prop gets back to the water nicely if don't reduce the power with the controller. Not a big deal. I hardly ever fall. But if your foil front wing comes out of the water then you are in bigger trouble. :) You might survive, but most propably fall. I like with the Lift setup that you have some extra inches after prop breaching before the front wing hit the surface. Can't comment the Flite setup. My two cents. Great video as always! Mahalo.
i wish i was able to give you the 39 thousands thumbs up viewers forgot to press on coz seriously that vid was tons of work and knowledges and thx to you guys i am able know what to choose between the two best ones confident it was not a biaised review from companies partners 👍 a Milion thanks to both of you and your team 👌👏💪🙌🌞
Thank you for the well thought out, thorough, and intelligent review! I have been looking into getting into the activity (sport) for a little over a month now. Nearly Spring here in Michigan so will be warming up soon. Have fairly local dealers for both boards so I’ll check them both out. As of now, I’m leaning more so to the Flite board. Thanks again!
A great back to back comparison. Lovely to see the premier boards side by side. Thanks. I chose a FliteBoard Pro because they’d just came out with Series 2. I have a Waydoo and love the simple connections. From using Torqeedo electric motors, aligning the data pin contacts are the most regular problem. Second, (no size jokes please 🤪), I don’t have big hands and the lift hand controller would look like Thor’s hammer. If it can open to change the batteries, is this a potential failure point?. That being said, I’ve gone home without foiling because the controller wasn’t charged. So can feel the benefits of this.🥲 Lift’s sexy all carbon construction is very, very tempting. But a week after getting the FliteBoard, I ran into some rocks. Gouged out some aluminium from the stabiliser arm (lowest part). Used a file on the aluminium and it’s riding as before. Carbon Fibre would have cracked or splintered on my new toy for sure. So some comfort in the aluminium option.
Thank you. I agree both have pros and cons, nothing is ideal or perfect. Lift remote is screwed with a sealed cap so getting water into batteries is not a problem. Even if it fails, Lift was very quick in overnight shipping a replacement remote. They also plan to launch a smaller ELITE remote soon. Carbon fiber mast comes from Lift's other foiling boards and very strong as well.
Thank you for your thorough and well balanced video. I have chosen a Fliteboard for a couple of reasons, first I think the aluminium mast is just better and stronger and allows for passive cooling eliminating the need for messy cooling pipes, and also because I'm in Australia and I love that the Fliteboard was invented in my favourite place in the world, Byron Bay 😀
Great video guys, I really enjoyed it. For me Flite offers better support, I have tried both and Flite people even answered on weekends. Really fast and professional answers all the times. Lift offered not so good and fast answers to my questions. Lift has the big advantage of having foils that you can use is you have also Wingfoil gear. You only buy the mast and you can use the same foil set. Another thing I do not like about Lift is the water cooling system. I wonder what happens if something like a seaweed gets into to inlet and blocks the flow of water.
this one video likely killed liftfoils business.. suddenly everyone understands the difference and liftfoils seems like surpassed technology. what an incredible and comprehensive review. nice work! 🙂🙂🙂🙂
We didn’t kill anything, now few years later Lift is doing fine. Yes they are falling behind in terms of technology but their product is still very high quality and in big demand
@@JetSurfingNation sounds good. your very balanced review however made it very clear what the current market leader is. many of us had no idea of the differences prior to this video. i called up the Flite dealer today for a test ride thanks to this video.
Let's remember that the high price for these toys is due to the very manual production methods used. If the manufacturers modernize their production lines, they can easily make the product(s) much more affordable and consequentially grow the market at the same time.
Summation: Fliteboard is more thought through and better engineered. Disappointing that Lift barely has evolved in 3 years. All those cables makes it look like a DIY-board not at 12k product. Great review as always!
I’ve frankly broken a Lift mast, but I’ve also hit seriously more than 100 stumps and rocks at speed. As hard as I’ve been on my Lift efoil over like 1000 hours now, I wonder if I would have bent and aluminum mast by now. I can tell you that this is the most reliable watercraft I’ve owned in 20+ years of enthusiastic use, and my “real” foiling has gotten better by getting time on new wings before going out with my more hardcore foiling friends. It’s truly the best money I’ve spent in my life!
I am going to try my first efoil tomorrow (fingers crossed) It will be a flite board and might try it again on Wednesday. Hopefully I will have hands on access to both lift and flite. Engineering wise, I would lean towards the flite. However, I do have buyers anxiety with the lift, because I feel that their connection interface needs a radical change and I don’t want to be that guy who buys his board just before the new model with the new connections come out.
I think even with your improved mast it is still 3d printed which is flexing massively underwater under motor load. That and probably your baseplate connection and your fuselage all bending so that foil isn’t getting a chance to fly at the correct angle for lift. Too much flex in the entire system. Good on you for trying this though.
At the end, it boils down to where your local distributor is, how easy is delivery and service. Lift wasn't able to ship to my location so Fliteboard made the sale.
From an uneducated perspective, I think I am going to aim for lift. Purely because I want to use a manual foiling and a efoil. Lift caters for both. I like the retractable blades.
All my friends have Lift. But I kept thinking Flite was better, simpler, easier. I bought Flite. And when they ride mine, it's clear that Flite is a little more polished. Better battery. No remote cut outs. No vapor lock. My Flite has been flawless.
The new Lift remote with a colour screen could be a mistake. Colour screens relies on emitting light to display information. If the weather is sunny, the control will be competing with the sun, and the sun never loses. Even if they could get over the brightness issue, the power draw would be too great.
Hi, great comparison. I had both in rental. Both worked well for me as a beginner. But tell me: For beginners and families riding time is important. With the biggest battery available: what are the comparable times or differences in riding time? (waves come later and not everyone is living on the ocean….or able to ride waves at the beginning😢)Thanks, Gerrit
The Lift remote controler needs no strap as it is easy to find in the water. It is covered with black rubber to absorb shocks. The water cooling systems is easy and most fun to clean.
It’s be cool for you guys to trade for a day or week and share experiences riding like a car review. Features from marketing departments are one thing; how it handles is quite another.
@@JetSurfingNation so rad!! I have watched your stuff from afar for a while now - I love how committed you are to this emerging sport. Keep up the great work!
Which is the original design and which one is the CopyCat? Does flite pays royalties to Lift? Im a Lift instructor in Puerto Rico, why I would want the copycat?
Neither one is the original. An unrelated person got the patent years earlier, then Lift bought it from him and started suing everyone else, Flite agreed to pay Lift a royalty. But Lift did not invent the technology.
The concept of efoil was created and executed by german professor back in 2009 if I remember well. However it never made to the market while Lift was the first to make it commercially successful and got to the market but quickly fell behind Fliteboard in terms of innovation.
Hi Mike, I am now a part of the e-foiling family!! I ordered the Fliteboard Ultra l with the 80cm mast 1500 jet wing , jet propulsion and the Explore battery to compensate for the jet drag. Do you think it is going to be too heavy (the explore battery) with me being 80kg (in comparison to the Nano battery) or I will be able to enjoy long rides just fine (will I be able to take off without problems or will it sink) ? Please note that I am not much interested in carving and wave riding at this stage since I am a beginner.
Lift's design is pretty basic I agree but it works. Their setup is great for depowered wave riding and their new LCS system allows to switch propellers in 1 click. I hope next year they will introduce more innovative solution to their platform as well and get rid of those cables...
Ok , then please let me re-phrase, if I get the vinga s , will I get equal satisfaction as with lift? And since I am 80 kilos, will it last 1h20 min. or less? Thank you.@@JetSurfingNation
Yes they are both great choices. I give advice - pick one that have dealership nearby to your location, this way if things go wrong and you must fix something, you can do it easier without shipping hassles!
It was not me doing a wing riding so not 100% sure, I was a drone FPV pilot filming him doing it. Seems he did not have any problem and had a long fun rides. The only problem was holding a remote and wing at the same time, you need 3 hands :) When you are on the foil already extra 30 kg don't feel that much, and when you are starting the power of motor helps you anyways
@@JetSurfingNation Thanks! That’s what I figured- the remote holding and the weight with ½ battery is probably not that different to being a heavier rider. I’m thinking of trying this method to learn winging but not sure if I will care to wing after having the power of the Flite board to maneuver in any busy water way and not having to wait for wind.
I have a friend professional wing foiler. He also has a takuma efoil and loves it but feels like it is not enough challenge. Wingfoil is more difficult and challenging sport. He only uses efoil when there is no wind but in a windy day always prefers wing foil.
@@JetSurfingNation probably nice thing with the lighter efoils is that you can power out of the marina or upwind without swimming or struggling - then power off and use the hand-wing downwind saving most of the battery; like most sailboats with their motor.
Great review, thanks guys! I am stuck with a few seconds where you demonstrate fliteboard and wing where a surfer is using efoil during wing-foiling. Is that really possible? During learning can I use electric power to get to where I started to avoid walk of shame until I am up to speed?
It was done for fun.. You don't really need any wing when efoiling :) But yes you can do it of course, it's just pretty awkward to hold efoil remote and wing at the same time but possible with a folding prop (or true glide prop)
@@JetSurfingNation Thanks for the info. I want to actually learn wing-foiling and just wondering if purchasing an efoil can help me learn that sport. I will often times have to do walk of shame for many months and my theory is that an efoil would be able to eliminate that walk and get me back to upwind so I could practice getting up with the wing again
You can do that, but the drag and weight of the motor, even with a folding prop is substantial…and of course you have to not care at all about looking like a total kook! [as well you shouldn’t] (:
Is the Flite board less buoyant than the Lift? I had ridden a few left boards and then purchased a flight board in the longer version actually. When I’m in the water starting a ride, it seems too much more easily submerge than the lift did. I’m wondering if that’s your experience? It’s a little concerning because there’s specific instructions are to make sure that the battery door does not get submerged, but I find that nearly impossible
I like much better the lift foil. I have watched you’re passed videos with the lift efoil and every time you opened the hatch I think you passed 90 degrees. I don’t recommend to do it because you can broke the thing that has the hatch and then water can enter into the compartment.
I really wanted to buy one of these, but £7000(that's a brand new small car)! Is an awful lot compared to windsurfing. For a completely new windsurf quiver(board, sail, mast(100% carbon) , boom and mast base) I would spend around £2000 new but gear that is a few years ago. So I think the price of these e-foil needs to come down Sooooooo much more. Like £2000!
@@JetSurfingNation All my windsurf friends are peasants. We would never be able to afford £7000 to get into a new sports. Unless the price goes down. The first mobile phone was the brick, but it cost £1000s back in the 90's. No one could afford it other than companies. Now we can all have it. So you see in time the price off all modern technology has to go down. Otherwise it won't attract new people. Can you afford £7000 to £12000 to get into a new sports/activities? Unless of course you are filthy rich.
The comparison to mobile phone is incorrect in my opinion. We are not talking of a mass product here but about a very niche specific product, similar to high end bikes they will be never mass produced, this sport is not for everyone. It will remain similar to jetski - a niche sport for watersports fans.
Winger on an efoil was just for fun. He is a pro and was just experimenting. You don't need efoil to learn winging, it will make it more difficult and confusing. Just get a lesson on a BIG easy board. No need efoil for winging
By riding it every day, 2-3 times a day for couple of seasons. It's pretty easy just needs a lot of time. Pedro is usually riding 3 times a day and charging the batteries during the lunch
I literally tried to buy a board from Lift and they said my credit card was Fraud and wouldn't take my payment. I talked to all there managers and they weren't helpful at all. I begged them to take my money, but they wouldnt lol! Honestly they are kind of a trash company with stoners running it. Elite / Fliteboard has been great customer service and are very responsive. Good luck warrantying anything with Lift. I love my Fliteboard Pro.
And bring gasoline. Bring a vehicle configured for towing. Bring a trailer. Then.... Find a boat ramp. With my Lift I mearly walk to any path to any water. No comparison
What is the best efoil? Fliteboard or Liftfoils? Which efoil to pick?
This question comes up again and again! And today we are going to
answer it once and for all! We are doing an honest and unbiased Side
By Side Comparison of a brand new Lift Foils E3 4.2 Pro board vs brand
new Fliteboard Ultra efoil! In this long and in-depth video we are
going through every detail trying to help you make an educated
decision on which board to pick!Timeline:
00:00 FLITEBOARD vs LIFTFOILS Side By Side Comparison
02:20 Comparing their travel bags
04:16 Lift3 Pro 4.2 Electric Hydrofoil specs
04:35 Fliteboard Efoil Series 2 Model ULTRA
06:15 Comparing the weight of efoils
07:06 How Fliteboard and Liftfoils got to the market?
08:40 Comparing the mast
09:15 Fliteboard unified fuselage
10:52 Comparing motors and noise levels
11:40 Comparing efoil mast materials pros&cons
14:08 Comparing the efoil wings
16:30 Comparing Fliteboard and Lift foils propellers
17:40 Lift foils folding prop
19:20 Comparing what is inside efoil hatch
23:04 Comparing Lift and Flite batteries
25:30 Comparing Liftfoils and Fliteboard remotes
27:00 New Lift3 elite remote
27:50 Comparing the shape of the boards and volume
29:00 Final advice which board to pick
30:00 Comparing riding experience and first impressions
32:30 Range test results
Mike - I cringe every time I see the hatch on your new Lift efoil cranked open past 90-degrees, Keep doing that and the hinges will bend up so the hatch seal won't be fully compressed when closed and you'll will get water inside your hatch.
I recently rode a Lift efoil and it was a dream! To my understanding, Lift owns the technology behind the efoil boards and many companies are currently in lawsuits with the Lift company over pirated technology. I cant speak for Flite efoil, but if you ever have to call Lift customer service, you are getting superior service since you are actually calling the same building where the creators work. They are very attentive and responsive. Now lets all hope the manufacturing process become more mainstream so we can all afford these amazing machines!
Excellent video. I have a Lift E3 4.9 with the 32 inch mast and folding prop. I agree with all your points. It is a great board and very well made. I agree the Fliteboard has a much simpler design when it comes to the battery connection and cooling system. I like the tougher design of the Lift board but not a fan of the controller. My choice between the two was based upon the location of purchase and access to service/parts. Lift was easier for me in both cases. Also - I didn't want to send my eFoil to an authorized service center for it's yearly maintenance check up. Lift doesn't require that type of maintenance action. I use my foil everyday and didn't want it gone for a couple weeks for someone to check it where I probably could do myself. Overall - I think both eFoils are top choices and you can't go wrong with any of them. Again - fantastic video and keep up the great reviews.
Great points, thank you Remick for detailed feedback.
I would add Fliteboard maintenance is not really a requirement, just a recommendation. Like with Lift, nothing really will happen if you properly clean the board after each use.
@@JetSurfingNation - However will it effect your 2 year warranty coverage? Maybe a Fliteboard owner can answer.
You just cannot make a more complete review 👍👌🔥
Now we know what to quickly share to anyone asking this same old question 😉
Thank you 🙏
(Edited)Ok, the point about simple recovery from breaching not being important is confusing to me. You say that "professionals don't breach so it doesn't matter". But almost none of us are professionals, when I saw the Fliteboard's main wing breach and then just slide under again without a drama, I was sold. This is the scariest aspect of the sport to me.
What else do I like: , I'll be using it in the surf so the free spinning prop is gold, Stronger mast, with adjustable angle of rear wing, better electronics, better controller and apparent range I'm also from Sydney... No brainer, it's the Fliteboard for me, likely purchase next year...
Thanks so much 🙏🙏🙏
I don't consider myself a "professional" as well. But I almost never breach my motor on Lift. It's not a big deal really especially if you got a long 32 inch mast.
Worst case if you breach you just nosedive and fall, and start all over.
@@JetSurfingNation thanks for reply, I have seen some scary stacks thats all. And I'm not so young anymore...
As you see I use a lot of protection gear - helmet, lifevest, boots and gloves. Then it's ok. But any sport involves certain risk, that's normal.
@@JetSurfingNation yep wise, might seem overkill but I already have an impact vest and helmet for big SUP days. I tend to break stuff...
Motor breach and foil wing breach are different things. If your Lift motor/prop breaches the pulling power decreases and your prop gets back to the water nicely if don't reduce the power with the controller. Not a big deal. I hardly ever fall. But if your foil front wing comes out of the water then you are in bigger trouble. :) You might survive, but most propably fall. I like with the Lift setup that you have some extra inches after prop breaching before the front wing hit the surface. Can't comment the Flite setup. My two cents. Great video as always! Mahalo.
i wish i was able to give you the 39 thousands thumbs up viewers forgot to press on coz seriously that vid was tons of work and knowledges and thx to you guys i am able know what to choose between the two best ones confident it was not a biaised review from companies partners 👍 a Milion thanks to both of you and your team 👌👏💪🙌🌞
thank you so much Isa. You made my day. Comments like that keeps me going.
fair comparison in range and features, both are top class efoils
Thank you for the well thought out, thorough, and intelligent review! I have been looking into getting into the activity (sport) for a little over a month now. Nearly Spring here in Michigan so will be warming up soon. Have fairly local dealers for both boards so I’ll check them both out. As of now, I’m leaning more so to the Flite board. Thanks again!
Thank you 🙏
Great video! It’s 52 (11C) outside and this has me stoked enough to go ride!!
A great back to back comparison. Lovely to see the premier boards side by side. Thanks.
I chose a FliteBoard Pro because they’d just came out with Series 2. I have a Waydoo and love the simple connections. From using Torqeedo electric motors, aligning the data pin contacts are the most regular problem.
Second, (no size jokes please 🤪), I don’t have big hands and the lift hand controller would look like Thor’s hammer. If it can open to change the batteries, is this a potential failure point?. That being said, I’ve gone home without foiling because the controller wasn’t charged. So can feel the benefits of this.🥲
Lift’s sexy all carbon construction is very, very tempting. But a week after getting the FliteBoard, I ran into some rocks. Gouged out some aluminium from the stabiliser arm (lowest part). Used a file on the aluminium and it’s riding as before. Carbon Fibre would have cracked or splintered on my new toy for sure. So some comfort in the aluminium option.
Thank you. I agree both have pros and cons, nothing is ideal or perfect. Lift remote is screwed with a sealed cap so getting water into batteries is not a problem. Even if it fails, Lift was very quick in overnight shipping a replacement remote. They also plan to launch a smaller ELITE remote soon.
Carbon fiber mast comes from Lift's other foiling boards and very strong as well.
Good story...Yep its ability to absorb shock without shattering and wick away heat from the motor and battery is great.
Nice job, Mike & Pedro!
Thank you Andreas!
Thank you for your thorough and well balanced video. I have chosen a Fliteboard for a couple of reasons, first I think the aluminium mast is just better and stronger and allows for passive cooling eliminating the need for messy cooling pipes, and also because I'm in Australia and I love that the Fliteboard was invented in my favourite place in the world, Byron Bay 😀
Glad it was helpful!
Great video guys, I really enjoyed it. For me Flite offers better support, I have tried both and Flite people even answered on weekends. Really fast and professional answers all the times. Lift offered not so good and fast answers to my questions. Lift has the big advantage of having foils that you can use is you have also Wingfoil gear. You only buy the mast and you can use the same foil set.
Another thing I do not like about Lift is the water cooling system. I wonder what happens if something like a seaweed gets into to inlet and blocks the flow of water.
Great feedback. Lift system has a detector that checks for waterfloor and will notify you if clogged. Never happened to me
Great review guys, very informative… Thanks
Great video!
Looks like Fliteboard is the clear winner.
I learned the hard way not to try to recover if there is any instability . I got a bad Charly horse when I landed on the rail.
this one video likely killed liftfoils business.. suddenly everyone understands the difference and liftfoils seems like surpassed technology. what an incredible and comprehensive review. nice work! 🙂🙂🙂🙂
We didn’t kill anything, now few years later Lift is doing fine. Yes they are falling behind in terms of technology but their product is still very high quality and in big demand
@@JetSurfingNation sounds good. your very balanced review however made it very clear what the current market leader is. many of us had no idea of the differences prior to this video. i called up the Flite dealer today for a test ride thanks to this video.
Let's remember that the high price for these toys is due to the very manual production methods used. If the manufacturers modernize their production lines, they can easily make the product(s) much more affordable and consequentially grow the market at the same time.
Nope. That wouldn’t work unless you get to millions of units, which will never be the case.
Never underestimate China's ability to copy and mass produce.
Thank you very much for the review!
Summation: Fliteboard is more thought through and better engineered. Disappointing that Lift barely has evolved in 3 years. All those cables makes it look like a DIY-board not at 12k product. Great review as always!
Thank you. Liftfoils setup might look oldschool but it’s very reliable
@@mikeb1039 when it comes to the mast? Absolutely. Always aluminium. Maybe you like broken masts and all those water cooling cables :)
I’ve frankly broken a Lift mast, but I’ve also hit seriously more than 100 stumps and rocks at speed. As hard as I’ve been on my Lift efoil over like 1000 hours now, I wonder if I would have bent and aluminum mast by now. I can tell you that this is the most reliable watercraft I’ve owned in 20+ years of enthusiastic use, and my “real” foiling has gotten better by getting time on new wings before going out with my more hardcore foiling friends. It’s truly the best money I’ve spent in my life!
Great comparison, thanks
Thanks for watching!
Fliteboard any day! Lol.
They're both great machines, I think it's all down to personal preference. 😅
The best way is to find a local dealer and take a lesson to see which you like more!
its the most useful vid and comparison 👍thx a lot 👌
Thank you
I am going to try my first efoil tomorrow (fingers crossed) It will be a flite board and might try it again on Wednesday. Hopefully I will have hands on access to both lift and flite.
Engineering wise, I would lean towards the flite. However, I do have buyers anxiety with the lift, because I feel that their connection interface needs a radical change and I don’t want to be that guy who buys his board just before the new model with the new connections come out.
How did the two compare on the water?
I think even with your improved mast it is still 3d printed which is flexing massively underwater under motor load. That and probably your baseplate connection and your fuselage all bending so that foil isn’t getting a chance to fly at the correct angle for lift. Too much flex in the entire system. Good on you for trying this though.
Yes really good review. I use a fliteboard as my mate bought one! Like the simplicity of the connections. I think that alone would decide it for me.
Thanks for sharing!
At the end, it boils down to where your local distributor is, how easy is delivery and service. Lift wasn't able to ship to my location so Fliteboard made the sale.
Good point, exactly.
From an uneducated perspective, I think I am going to aim for lift. Purely because I want to use a manual foiling and a efoil. Lift caters for both. I like the retractable blades.
Cheers and thank you for feedback
lift feels like tesla.. early to the game.. pretty good. but flite board is like Lucid.. rethinking everything and making it better.
All my friends have Lift. But I kept thinking Flite was better, simpler, easier. I bought Flite. And when they ride mine, it's clear that Flite is a little more polished. Better battery. No remote cut outs. No vapor lock. My Flite has been flawless.
The new Lift remote with a colour screen could be a mistake. Colour screens relies on emitting light to display information. If the weather is sunny, the control will be competing with the sun, and the sun never loses. Even if they could get over the brightness issue, the power draw would be too great.
Could they use colored e-ink? Reflective displays might look really nice in this use case. 😎
I have a getfoil with a colored remote and I've never had a problem reading it even in bright sun.
a fair comparison of two premium efoils thanks
Cheers!
Popcorn is ready! time to start the video.
Thank you :-)
Hope you enjoy!
The red Lift on the wave is a 5'2"? Also.... I like the charge lights showing on the Flightboard vs my Lift. And the footstrap options
great ! don t stop. ...
Cheers! The show must go on!
I hope that’s what she said 😂
Oof that high pitched noise sounds gut wrenching
I think you have to try both in real life.
absolutely thought the same,..screeching the Flight board
go with the Lift for riding waves, folding prop is the key
well Flite has a true glide prop for waves as well...
Very nice video👏
Definitely FliteBoard. It is a series 3 Pro now.
good to see salt bae getting out and staying active.
Hi, great comparison. I had both in rental. Both worked well for me as a beginner. But tell me: For beginners and families riding time is important. With the biggest battery available: what are the comparable times or differences in riding time? (waves come later and not everyone is living on the ocean….or able to ride waves at the beginning😢)Thanks, Gerrit
Fliteboard has longer riding timr
The Lift remote controler needs no strap as it is easy to find in the water. It is covered with black rubber to absorb shocks. The water cooling systems is easy and most fun to clean.
I would not recommend using without a strap in the ocean
It’s be cool for you guys to trade for a day or week and share experiences riding like a car review. Features from marketing departments are one thing; how it handles is quite another.
I had fliteboard for almost 2 years, now i ride Lift to have both experiences
@@JetSurfingNation so rad!! I have watched your stuff from afar for a while now - I love how committed you are to this emerging sport. Keep up the great work!
Thank you!!! The show must go on!
Which is the original design and which one is the CopyCat? Does flite pays royalties to Lift? Im a Lift instructor in Puerto Rico, why I would want the copycat?
Neither one is the original. An unrelated person got the patent years earlier, then Lift bought it from him and started suing everyone else, Flite agreed to pay Lift a royalty. But Lift did not invent the technology.
The concept of efoil was created and executed by german professor back in 2009 if I remember well. However it never made to the market while Lift was the first to make it commercially successful and got to the market but quickly fell behind Fliteboard in terms of innovation.
Hi Mike, I am now a part of the e-foiling family!! I ordered the Fliteboard Ultra l with the 80cm mast 1500 jet wing , jet propulsion and the Explore battery to compensate for the jet drag. Do you think it is going to be too heavy (the explore battery) with me being 80kg (in comparison to the Nano battery) or I will be able to enjoy long rides just fine (will I be able to take off without problems or will it sink) ? Please note that I am not much interested in carving and wave riding at this stage since I am a beginner.
You can get Nano as a second battery later once you perfect it
There really is no comparison: Fliteboard is killing it. Lift looks like it was designed and engineered by a grade school student.
Lift's design is pretty basic I agree but it works. Their setup is great for depowered wave riding and their new LCS system allows to switch propellers in 1 click. I hope next year they will introduce more innovative solution to their platform as well and get rid of those cables...
Explain why the price of these things are si expencive. Its just some board with a wing
Hi Mike, I want your expert opinion please. Irrelevant of their costs, which one is better? Lift 4 pro or Awake Vinga S? Thank you.
Sorry i cant push any specific brand, it's subjective opinion on what's better
Ok , then please let me re-phrase, if I get the vinga s , will I get equal satisfaction as with lift? And since I am 80 kilos, will it last 1h20 min. or less? Thank you.@@JetSurfingNation
Yes they are both great choices. I give advice - pick one that have dealership nearby to your location, this way if things go wrong and you must fix something, you can do it easier without shipping hassles!
Cabratec V2 goat because it is in my 8k€ budget.
Interested to know how two wings recommended for beginner boards 90 and 100 litres compared. One low aspect 1300 CMS the other higher aspect 1100?
Yes, good choice, you become a pro quickly
Hi Mike, what is the helmet you are wearing?
Wrsi
Top speed on both?
How was the wing riding with the powered board? Does the hand wind still pull well with the extra weight of the battery and motor?
It was not me doing a wing riding so not 100% sure, I was a drone FPV pilot filming him doing it. Seems he did not have any problem and had a long fun rides. The only problem was holding a remote and wing at the same time, you need 3 hands :) When you are on the foil already extra 30 kg don't feel that much, and when you are starting the power of motor helps you anyways
@@JetSurfingNation Thanks! That’s what I figured- the remote holding and the weight with ½ battery is probably not that different to being a heavier rider. I’m thinking of trying this method to learn winging but not sure if I will care to wing after having the power of the Flite board to maneuver in any busy water way and not having to wait for wind.
I have a friend professional wing foiler. He also has a takuma efoil and loves it but feels like it is not enough challenge. Wingfoil is more difficult and challenging sport. He only uses efoil when there is no wind but in a windy day always prefers wing foil.
@@JetSurfingNation probably nice thing with the lighter efoils is that you can power out of the marina or upwind without swimming or struggling - then power off and use the hand-wing downwind saving most of the battery; like most sailboats with their motor.
@@Hazard4Tactical yep, as a wing foiler, this is the benefit i would see
do you have the link for the video you showed with a Fliteboard used as a Wingfoiling board?
It’s just a drone shot I made during the flite cup, there is no separate video. He was trying it for fun and it worked
@@JetSurfingNation Great, I will try it myself soon
can i use the flitboard with a wing, no power? OR just use the power if the wind drops but use my wing mostly and just the foil board?
With a new flite folding prop you can
They should include failures too... if it stops how would operator get back... is there a coast guard radio?
If it stops you paddle back. Never go further than you can swim. I also take the cellphone or a apple watch with me for safety
Great review, thanks guys! I am stuck with a few seconds where you demonstrate fliteboard and wing where a surfer is using efoil during wing-foiling. Is that really possible? During learning can I use electric power to get to where I started to avoid walk of shame until I am up to speed?
It was done for fun.. You don't really need any wing when efoiling :) But yes you can do it of course, it's just pretty awkward to hold efoil remote and wing at the same time but possible with a folding prop (or true glide prop)
@@JetSurfingNation Thanks for the info. I want to actually learn wing-foiling and just wondering if purchasing an efoil can help me learn that sport. I will often times have to do walk of shame for many months and my theory is that an efoil would be able to eliminate that walk and get me back to upwind so I could practice getting up with the wing again
You can do that, but the drag and weight of the motor, even with a folding prop is substantial…and of course you have to not care at all about looking like a total kook! [as well you shouldn’t] (:
Fliteboard ❤🎉!!
how heavy is the battery? and board all together full weight?
Battery around 12-15kg
Total setup 30-35kg
Depending on mast length and board size
Is the Flite board less buoyant than the Lift? I had ridden a few left boards and then purchased a flight board in the longer version actually. When I’m in the water starting a ride, it seems too much more easily submerge than the lift did. I’m wondering if that’s your experience?
It’s a little concerning because there’s specific instructions are to make sure that the battery door does not get submerged, but I find that nearly impossible
I don’t understand the question. The battery is inside so it doesn’t get wet in both cases. Both boards are pretty much same in volume around 60 l
I like much better the lift foil. I have watched you’re passed videos with the lift efoil and every time you opened the hatch I think you passed 90 degrees. I don’t recommend to do it because you can broke the thing that has the hatch and then water can enter into the compartment.
Don’t overthink this 90 degrees thing. It’s a quality hatch with a good seal. Just clean and dry it after each use and it will be ok
I really wanted to buy one of these, but £7000(that's a brand new small car)! Is an awful lot compared to windsurfing. For a completely new windsurf quiver(board, sail, mast(100% carbon) , boom and mast base) I would spend around £2000 new but gear that is a few years ago.
So I think the price of these e-foil needs to come down Sooooooo much more. Like £2000!
That’s not realistic. With shortage of chip and battery tech the price will only increase
@@JetSurfingNation
All my windsurf friends are peasants. We would never be able to afford £7000 to get into a new sports. Unless the price goes down.
The first mobile phone was the brick, but it cost £1000s back in the 90's. No one could afford it other than companies. Now we can all have it. So you see in time the price off all modern technology has to go down. Otherwise it won't attract new people.
Can you afford £7000 to £12000 to get into a new sports/activities? Unless of course you are filthy rich.
The comparison to mobile phone is incorrect in my opinion. We are not talking of a mass product here but about a very niche specific product, similar to high end bikes they will be never mass produced, this sport is not for everyone. It will remain similar to jetski - a niche sport for watersports fans.
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which one is faster??
Fliteboard
One more comment.... If you buy... ALWAYS purchase new from a Lift affiliate because you will not have a warranty otherwise
On a flat water segment it looks like a Winger on an efoil? Would my Lift be a good form to try my first attempt at winging?
Winger on an efoil was just for fun. He is a pro and was just experimenting.
You don't need efoil to learn winging, it will make it more difficult and confusing. Just get a lesson on a BIG easy board. No need efoil for winging
15-16K euro.. its nuts...
you need to register these for lakes?
Yes in Germany
Hi.
What do you think about the Waydoo Flyer One eFoil? How does this lower priced board compare to $12K board?
Thanks!
You get what you pay for
@@JetSurfingNation thanks, but what would you notice? Poor performance and not reliable then?
See forum.e-surfer.com/t/waydoo-quality-issues/1671
Blond oke is definitely bias
How these things cost the price of a 600 cc Japanese motorcycle is a mystery . They are very simple tech . ££££ is being made
How do you become a professional?
By riding it every day, 2-3 times a day for couple of seasons. It's pretty easy just needs a lot of time. Pedro is usually riding 3 times a day and charging the batteries during the lunch
you cant go wrong with any of them
well said
I literally tried to buy a board from Lift and they said my credit card was Fraud and wouldn't take my payment. I talked to all there managers and they weren't helpful at all. I begged them to take my money, but they wouldnt lol! Honestly they are kind of a trash company with stoners running it. Elite / Fliteboard has been great customer service and are very responsive. Good luck warrantying anything with Lift. I love my Fliteboard Pro.
for that kind of money you can buy a brand new awesome jet ski and have way more fun at higher speeds !!!
Not again with your jetski 😂
And bring gasoline. Bring a vehicle configured for towing. Bring a trailer. Then.... Find a boat ramp. With my Lift I mearly walk to any path to any water. No comparison
You don’t want a leash attached to an efoil. Very dangerous. Especially if you’re riding with an open prop like this guy.
You need a leash in waves. Oceanus reeled leash is really good
…two crazy guys…like da bahtah…
In 8 months will drop at least 5000 dollar cheaper
Not really. The components and shortage of chips only makes it more expensive
Lift already announced new HIGHER prices for 2022. Inflation is real
Lift’s pricing has increased as of Jan 1. Nice try tho.
…hilariously two crazy guys…
What is the difference?
They are both crap.
Crap? Care to explain? These are top elite models on the market
@@JetSurfingNation He simply cannot afford them. Plain the simple. A poor sucker.