@@bfirefighter3 You're right about that. The third house should have never been involved. They should of had a hand line on the B side of the house from the get go while the ladder was taking the stark out of the B side of the fire building.
They did fairly good . But most likely could have maybe done a little more at the beginning to protect that third house sooner. But hey overall not too bad .
Great video that shows how quickly your physical possessions can go up in flames. This is what it looks like when you build houses so close to each other.
Watching this tore me up. Many years ago myself, my husband and our 6 kids (ages 1-12) survived our house burning down. It was July 7th at 9:00pm , I put the baby down to sleep and was getting a few of the other kids ready for bed when I smelled what I thought were firecrackers. I opened the door to the garage and flames shot into the house. After running through my house and getting all our kids out and to a neighbors ALL I COULD DO WAS COUNT MY KIDS OVER AND OVER AGAIN. I did not sleep for 2 days and just watched my kids sleep and carry on (and would continually would count them) in our hotel room. We lost almost every thing (what didn't burn, the soot ruined the rest). It's hard starting again with the clothes on your back, but my family was whole!!! I would not wish this on anyone, ever!
Happened to me twice and starting over is super hard- especially when you lose your job because you lost everything in the fire including your pets and work uniforms. I hope you’re whole again. I never fully recovered after the second fire😢
Engine set up too far away for the deck gun to reach the flames. Tower sat there for 7 minutes with no one in a rush to raise it. Saw no one laying lines into the front. These guys new at this? Gotta get water on it quicker than that.
Смотрю саботаж! Это не тушение пожара, а его видимость. Практически на всех видео из США заметно, что пожар не тушится, а делает вид, что его тушат. Локализуют, поливают соседние дома, возможно, из-за тактики страховых компаний.
I have seen so many similar videos of various US Fire Departments. I wanted to ask a really simple question and I honestly don't mean any criticism by it. I live in the UK and the biggest difference between our Fire Authorities is that when our guys pull up to a fire, it has barely stopped moving before a hose is pulled out and a water jet is started from the internal tank. Only when that first hose is in action do our firefighters then look for alternative water sources...i.e a fire hydrant. Almost every TH-cam video I have seen of US Fire Departments seem to show a massive delay in getting that first jet active and directed at the fire. Plenty of fireman walking around and hoses being pulled but no hose directed at the fire at all for some time. Is this standard practice...?
What are you talking about? They were putting water on this fire and the exposure before the video even started And continued to do so long before the engine arrived with the supply line from the hydrant BTW the rinky-dink reel lines used for quick attack in the UK wouldn't have done squat against this fire GPM kills BTUs Its one of the reason US Firefighting started moving away from reel-lines decades ago, same for fog/combination nozzles I started firefighting in the 80's and have watched the evolution
Trust me.Most U.S. fire fighters have very low I.Q.....They don't have the brain capability to take out fires.Watch tons of video of them you'll see what i mean.The only fire department that has some brains are the N.Y.fire department.
It looks like there was a major problem getting a stable and adequate water supply. There were constant issues with maintaining effective water streams on both master streams and hand lines. Mains probably barely adequate for domestic supply when all of the houses were finished and occupied. Building density way too high for the type of construction in the neighborhood.
yep! plastic plastic plastic buildings all on top of each other. at least where i live if my house were to god forbid burn the next door houses are both mostly brick so would be less likely to catch.
@@davep6977 Exactly! I have to show this video to my daughter, a disabled Vet. After months of beging her not to buy one of these "sardine can" neighborhood homes she built on an acre lot.
Oriented strand board houses. They use the thinnest boards possible. Notice how quickly the roof and wall burn through? Truss structure made with 2x4s that are held together with thin steel gusset plates flimsy enough to bend easily in you hand. They have a bunch of little prongs that are stamped into the wood to join pieces together. The prongs on these plates don't extend far into the wood and in a fire, weaken quickly and fail. These structures self vent quickly, burn hot and set the too closely built neighboring structures on fire. They build these houses fast and charge ridiculous prices for them. A well cared for older home is a better way to go.
Don't you have any building standard, and why are they placed so close (fire regulations) obviously only in US this happened, and why are your house lot so damn small?
When you want to pay $300,000.00 for a modest 3 bed 2 bath home, then we can do that. Factor in inflation and that is what one of those old homes would have cost you!
Actually when you have your home custom built there are builders out there who will build the roof the older way with a ridge beam and such, as well as with thick osb or thick plywood. One can choose to go brick instead of vinyl siding! Problem is way too many people put money on interior design instead of on safety and functionality when they build or renovate a home these days. You can forgo hardwood and choose carpet instead and put the money toward fire resistant exterior materials!
...Aleays like how the secondary arriving pumpers or apparatus units hook up to the hydrants and lay out their lines while the truck itself slowly moves up the street towards the fire...
The firefighters took a long time to extend the magiro ladder. They waited for the fire to spread throughout the house and neighboring houses to use the magiro ladder. And after they extended the ladder, it didn’t do a very effective job as required by American tradition.
You’re right. I didn’t realize the house to the right was a separate house burning. I thought it was one with the house on the left taking slight damage.
this is what happens when in my opinion the houses are set too close to one and other we had a fire in a area where the houses was set like this on a windy day by the time we got the fire out 5 houses was other total losses or damaged very badly and it had to go to 3 alarms
I keep wondering about the logic of building those huge 5 story wooden structure apartment buildings. I'd never live in one. Seems like any fire anywhere in 1000 units spells the absolute destruction of the entire structure, particularly if its a windy day. But builders HAVE TO keep in mind that when you build taller, you need a lot more space in between structures. Radiant heat is a bitch.
I apologize for my English(I write through an online translator). We in Russia in the construction of houses made of wood according to fire regulations should be at least 15 meters(49 feet), the last time this is followed quite strictly. But compliance with building regulations (codes) are all bad each one builds as he wishes. p.s. although with a good wind of 15 metres a little, saw the village where more than 100 homes burned for 3 hours, the whole village were 10 houses which were poderevnoy the sides from the fire.
Exposure protection for adjacent structures is key. I see time and time again where this is not done only escalating the incident further and requiring additional resources. Most departments focus on the big fire and don't pay enough attention to adjacent buildings. Nice job guys! Ladder trucks!!!! What an awesome tool. I wish our municipality would invest in one. They make a huge difference in initial knock down.
If they would of actually got the water from the deck gun onto the fire they might of actually accomplished something before the other house started burning but yes exposure control is also needed
Just my thought as Iam not a firefighter. I would think the hand lines would work to protect the exposures while the ladder truck, which has a greater volume of water, would work on putting out the fire.
Seems like almost every vid I watch is a good training vid for how NOT to put out fires. Sometimes, it takes 12 to 15 minutes from arrival to put the first water on the fire. Neighboring houses seem to always catch fire even when there was plenty of time to prevent that.
Look up Stockton California Fire Department. They have great videos and it's night and day the difference in attack strategies. They have knock in under 10 minutes from time of call in most cases.
I couldnt believe they spent almost 5 minutes on that with the stick and accomplished nothing, while the hand line is on the primary house accomplishing nothing. IC needs to be demoted. That was piss poor management.
Rightly or wrongly, I watch a lot of these fires (I'm a Brit' by the way) and it always amazes me that, in most cases the British Fire Fighters get started much more quickly than the American ones and are much more likely to run, rather than walk. In general the Americans are very good at what they do, but their fire fighting seems to be the exception.
These are Canadians in this video. I just watched a video of a fire in Manchester, UK. They seemed quite inept as well, using what looked like garden hoses on a factory fire. The factory and a large building next door burned to the ground.
Virgil Hilts ,1 most faults have been covered by others ,1 miss use of water on other house ,a good spray would save water damage ,2no attempt to find seat of fire in building 3 crew members just walking ,4 no attempt to still kill fire in roof area ,Yes I have been in charge of all sorts of fires
Clipboards are more important than exposures. If you can get more to burn it justifies you being there. Where I come from the FD would first get the fire under control by making sure it did not spread to adjacent buildings then fight it anyway to extinguish it out then worry about reports and stuff.
Maybe that house on the left didn’t burn down but it suffered a lot of water damage. You can see that the shingles on roof got blown off by the water pressure so water likely entered the house.
No attempt to prevent extension on the left until the house was already on fire. It obviously starting to smoke but they took no notice. Very poor that. Wetting the wall would have prevented spread. And of course matchbox houses too close together.
Daniel Zimnoch Unfortunately the fault here is with the FD they should have had a hose line protecting both of those structures from the second they had water flowing.. I can’t believe that with a house that fully involved that quickly that they certainly didnt have enough manpower or fire apparatus there very fast. Very disappointing to see a ladder truck that can put out somewhere in the neighborhood of 2000 gallons of water per minute just sit there for as long as that one did
Ronald Marshall the fault is actually with the homeowners who thought it was a great idea to buy houses three feet apart from each other with highly flammable, cheaply constructed houses.
6:15... did they not try to protect the exposure to the next door neighbor's house on both sides as they watched the chimney on the house to the left catch fire?
It seems like it takes a considerable amount of time 2 get a good water stream started.Not saying just in this job its like it happens in multiple citys,towns&boros all around the united states.Now i also seen master streams up & flowing quick also.But the slowness rate is greater then quicker....
These guys showed how to get the job done. You can watch multiple videos of much larger departments send multiple times the number of units and personnel to the same size fire, only to spend much longer to get the fire under control and to allow the fire to spread to more units before they do so. These guys are really on the ball. Great initial attack, worked to protect exposures as soon as they had assets to do so, contained the fire primarily to the original structure with extension to only the top of one neighboring house and the siding of the other. Going from initial attack to mop up operations within 25 minutes with only 2 engine companies on scene of a fully involved multistory residence. This is how it's supposed to be done.
@@coneplato6702 there initial attack did nothing but waste water. A inch three quarter is not going to do anything against that volume fire. Should of been hit with a master stream. What took them so long to establish a water supply? Why weren't they setting up the ladder truck. Should I keep going.
Gas leak, I understand. Thank God the utilities put a stinky gas in with the supply so it's massively easier to detect. Bummer this happened though. Hopefully they have insurance.
Glenn Martin undetermined but it was about 10am and it started at the back of the middle house, it has been dry and hot here, I'm no fire investigator but id bank on a cigarette in a flower pot
In America, they don’t put out a fire right away, but let it flare up. The fireman on the stairs pointedly does not notice the large fire. He watered everything around, but not the fire. Only at 19:30 did he “notice” the fire. And put it out in a few seconds. The second carriage did not work "broke"
Please, stop harassing them!!!. That attack was a joke considering all those resources. That deck gun correctly pressurized had put out 90% of the fire...and the best exposures protection it´s to put the fire out ASAP!!!.
Obviously we don’t know the whole situation but I can’t for the life of me figure out why it took these guys so long to get big water on that house... wonder if they were having hydrant problems because in the end when they finally opens up it looked like water supply was good. As slow as they were about getting the ladder dumping water I’m surprised they didn’t lose houses on both sides... I spent 27 yrs on the FD and when ever we arrived on a house fire that involved we didn’t just stroll around while 1 hose put water on the fully involved structure. That ladder sat there for a long time before it got put to use. I saw both visible hoses and the deck gun just basically pisssing in the wind for quite a time so that’s what made me wonder if there was a problem...
Not sure what you mean by quite a while. From the time this video started, they already had three 2" lines on the fire, two running to the rear and one in the front. Within 4 minutes they had the 5" from the hydrant charged feeding the pumper and within 7 minutes they were supplying the aerial ladder. Check the times before you go bashing the fire department. I think they did a very good job considering the size of the fire when they arrived.
@@semproniodensso3353 The Ladder in order to be raised must have the following procedures followed. 1 bring the unit to a complete stop. 2 deploy stabilizers. 3 place the foot pad plates under the legs. 4 raise the legs to provide a wide stable base to operate from. 5 raise the ladder slightly. 6 connect the supply line. 7 connect hose pipe (if ladder is not pre-piped). 8 fill the ladder pipe. 9 have nozzle man go to the top of the ladder when completely raised. Climbing ladder while it is setting up is very dangerous. 10 nozzle operator clears nozzle and starts the flow by opening the bale of the nozzle.
@@davidlenzi3551 Naaa...I am talking about water discharge to the fire, which could be done through the deck gun or a handheld nozzle. Besides, 90% of trucks have telescopic waterways and remotely operated master stream in the ladder tip. And in this case, it was a Quint, with at least 200 gallons tank
Those guys will operate the same with all the psi they want...but training it´s not their thing!!!. That deck gun with some more of psi had put out 90% of the fire...
There just did not appear to be any sense of urgency to get water onto the property when they arrived. The ladder truck team just did not appear interested, they should have had that in the air immediately fighting the fire from above?
Likely water supply prevented it. The elevated stream is running close to 1000GPM. Unlikely to support two master streams off a single hydrant until engines started relay pumping from neighboring hydrants- which takes time to set up.
Looks to me like the water pressure was a big problem here. Good equipment and the team seemed to do the right things and it was only 3 minutes or so after arrival that they started but without adequate pressure, your just pissing in the wind.
That really sucks for the homeowners. Obviously it's material things but the loss of money invested, memories and personal affects is a hard pill to swallow.
It is all well and good to critisize the way the fire was handled, but unless you were actually there you have no idea of the actual situation. I have the utmost respect for firefighters, they risk their lives to save others every day.
Super drones at every fire station would be good. Calculate the radius and duration of the drones battery. They can access hard to reach spots at fire sites.
You clearly do not know anything about firefighting, the house that was burning is already a loss, it cannot be saved, protecting the surrounding properties is better as it can be saved. The reason why everybody acts like nothing is happenning is to know what to do and not panic like crazy chickens.
Yeah that is too long, E40 did do a good job my question is WHERE IS THE DECK GUN while stick is setting up? That gun can do amazing work until the tower ladder is in position to start pouring from the top.
I'm not a firefighter so maybe I just don't know better but it sure was frustrating to watch water being dumped ten feet short of the one fire and then seeing the neighbor's house catch fire.
I'm not a pro but shouldn't they have focused on the sides of the house first to prevent siding damage and spread to the other houses? I'm only 5 minutes in and I can't figure why that truck is spraying the front of the house instead of the next one over....
One more why did it take so long to get the ladder snorkel in action those couple minutes could have saved the house on the right from what I could see
Never seen a ladder truck set up like that pick the rear up that far!! My old dept chief would have ripped us a new one for that! Things pitched forward big time thought the out riggers were simply to stabilize the truck not make it so you can change the wheels and maybe a brake service while there
jay s I agree with you about the height of those rear tires. Maybe the regular ladder guy is doing brake work while the new guy blows the roof off the exposed house instead of putting out the fire.
Señores cada ves que salgan a un rescate o emergencia que mi Dios del cielo siempre los cuide mucho, que El Padre Hijo y Espíritu Santo siempre estén a su lado, que cada día regresen a sus casas con sus familiares, porque su trabajo es fuerte y muy peligroso, y a pesar de eso ustedes dan siempre todo por el todo. Lo que hacen ustedes es admirable. Uds son un ejemplo a seguir. Saludos desde Venezuela Estado Zulia.
Armchair quarterback here..... I'd give it an 8 out of 10. That ladder stream was amazing. Really kicked ass. More trucks sooner probably would have helped, but overall a pretty damn good job. Could the truck on the right have been parked closer? Like others have said, I hope they had rigs at the back.
I don't know anything about fire fighting but in some of these video's. I don't understand why it takes so long to put that first drop of water on a fire. In this case about 3 minutes into the video, working to protect that second house. 7 minutes to get that ladder truck set up and to spray water/foam. Not dissing on the fire fighters at all, I suppose I don't understand the procedures/methods.
@Councilman Les Wynan it's not just stuff, it's memories, it's items that hold sentimental value. No lives may have been lost, but they most certainly were changed forever.
Alpesh Mistry councilman Les Wynan... obvious that you have never had a house fire that destroyed everything you own. With my department we assign a 4 man team to get in and get out as many personal items as we can see, pictures a big one! Also do you know that in 89% of house fires there are at least 1 pet inside.
@@andylucas8262 I agree 100%. We lost our garage in 2010 to a fire. My show car was inside as was all our christmas decorations. As well as stuff from my grandparents on both sides who passed away. So i agree. It's not just a house or garage. It's memories. I wouldn't wish this shit on my worst enemy
3 minutes I've been watching this and that ladder truck is still not being prepared for this fire that's the first thing you start to do when you get a ladder truck there and start getting it ready up in the air for the water
They know what they're doing. There's no one in the structure, so no risk of loss of life. You never rush under those conditions because if a firefighter gets injured, perhaps seriously, now you not only do you have a structure fire to attend to, but now you also have to provide medical care for the injured firefighter in the process, which is a lose/lose situation. There's a method to the madness.
In 2019 a fire department responded to a fire on average every 24 seconds in the United States, according to the National Fire Protection Association. A home fire was reported every 93 seconds, a home fire death occurred every three hours and 10 minutes, and a home fire injury occurred every 43 minutes. And still America build their houses with wood. I just don't get it. In South Africa all houses are build with brick and mortar. The only wood in your structure are the roof trusses.
So to the pro's out there, explain me these few things as I keep seeing it repeatedly and it boggles my mind: 1) why does it take so long to get all the hoses setup, primed and firing? 2) why are the firetrucks not setup to start pumping water out of cannons as soon as they stop, like the trucks at the airport 3) why is it always so problematic with keeping hoses in order and kink-free? 4) why can the water and ladder not be remote controlled from within the cab or on a console, so you can start moving the stuff before the truck even comes to a halt I have binge watched quite a number of fire videos and on many occasions, more damage was done and more lives were at stake or even lost, because water wasn't put on the blaze quick enough or it was a water supply issue. Would love to join the firefighter training some time, but I am not nearly as fit as I need to be, I know these boys volunteer most of the time and I have huge respect for them. I just feel like they are somehow restricted by equipment, not skill.
1) Deploying hoselines is labor intensive requiring manpower. 2) Airport rigs have two engines, one to power the wheels and another that powers the pump which allows them to pump and roll. Structural firefighting rigs have only one engine to power both. That requires the operator to stop the vehicle and transfer power to the pump. 3) Keeping all lines kink-free is next to impossible, however the firefighters attempt to keep the kinks as minimal as possible. 4) Read answer number two. For the amount of fire and limited manpower the knockdown of this fire was fairly rapid.
@@johnhill4964 thank you so much for the detailed reply. I am sure, if firefighters could attack a house fire in 30 seconds they would. I know I couldn't lug the equipment around and do the running and physical labour in top of that. I just wonder why they have such limiting equipment then. Its clearly a monetary issue.
Seemed to take the firemen forever to get the water going. Very stressful. This is exactly why houses should never be built so close to each other. I feel so bad for the people who lost their home.
Might just be a mistake on the graphics part of the department, what you see for the majority is called an aerial, while ladders with platforms are called ladders.
@@cadelegg6439 I know the difference, been a Firefighter for 38 years. Mistake in graphics, doubt that, graphics are easily fixed, especially if the builder made a mistake. Our ladder is a 118 foot E-One Bronto, which we call a Tower.
Funny. I remember as a kid how Firemen would rush to a fire. Rush to get things connected. Now it's, take my time unravel the hose. Set up the ladder. Mean time two other homes gave caught fire. Now there are 3 homes a blaze. Why does it take so long to fight a fire now a days? Or the the rules changed in fighting fires
These GREEDY developers squeeze as many houses as they can, as close as they can when they build a new subdivision. There NEEDS to be new laws requiring at least some distance between structures.
@engimedic "judgement or discretion on the part of the consumer" won't increase the distances between the homes... only your local zoning commission can do that
@@25mfd That is one of many ways to address it. So you think the homes will continue to be built that way if nobody buys them, and they're sitting vacant for years? Do you think that lending institutions will continue to make loans to developers on property that can't be sold? Do you think a mortgage company is going to approve a loan on property that cannot be insured? There are many angles to this, not the least of which is consumerism.
"That is one of many ways to address it"... seems to me that if you want a zoning change, lobbying your zoning commission is the ONLY way to address it
@@25mfd Yes, if you need your government to do your bidding for you. In a free society the market drives production. Hence, my previous post, which you avoided addressing.
I built a new house in 2001 and the city I was building it in required 15 ft on each side of the home so that's 30 feet between you and your neighbor. This scenario probably would never happen in my neighborhood, you had one house fire with 3 other homes damaged.
I see a moving box at the house on the right end. I wonder whether they moving in or out. Either way is bad. Unfortunately not everyone can afford a brick house on a large lot. Perhaps mandatory sprinklers in these houses would have done the trick?
@Adrian R For those critical of this fire.... via the 2009 grand jury report. Major areas of concern regarding Bethel Island include the following: A portion of the fire fighting personnel is continually rotated without a formal orientation regarding the unique characteristics of the island. Fire hydrants are available in the business district. This area encompasses only about one-third of a mile of Bethel Island’s community. At present they are not functional. There are approximately 7 miles of heavily populated roads that must rely on trucked in water. Surrounded by water, Bethel Island has no readily available water to fight fires. In addition to the water available on the fire trucks and local private pumps, fire fighting water is brought in by tanker trucks or drafted (pumped) from the Delta. The fire house has been condemned due to mold infestation. This fire needed to have a tanker relay set up for a water supply as there is no available water for them where this fire is.
The real problem here is what’s mentioned in a few posts here. The proximity of houses to each other caused a bad series of events. It wasn’t the firefighters who didn’t do their jobs, it was the fact the house in the middle was so well gone on arrival, that the heat and wind combined caused two more to go up. Don’t take much to start another house going , when one is roiling already, and two more are close by. They did what they could and fortunately no lives were lost. Houses can be rebuilt, lives lost.. can’t.
I believe the Acronym RECEO should have been followed. Rescue EXPOSURE Confine Extinguish Overhaul. Water should have gone to the Exposures first. Especially since it was tank water and wouldn't have done much to main fire but alot to the exposure. And yes I have been there between the exposure and the 50% involved trailer houses with 500 gallons of water and 2nd due 5 minutes out.
Yes a fire department not trained in or by NYFD . Understand putting water on A fire puts it out. Work together work quickly. And putting water on exposed property keeps them from burning as well. Not wait till its in the basement.
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I really dont know why the issue is getting water fast and first attack is so delayed. It seems In the USA you dont have several hydrants in a street to get water and the trucks are built so big that most cant carry water. So much time lost !
Wy do they waiting so long before they gonna hose some water, it's taking 10 min almost before they begin.....in Holland when we arrive, imidality we start with hosing water.
Wow. In 30 years of emergency services, I've never seen anything quite like this. How many firefighters were on those 2 rigs? I saw 2 red helmets in the beginning, but nobody did anything about the exposures. There was no sense of urgency. What happened to the master stream on the engine? That house was gone when the 2nd engine got there, they should have concentrated on the houses on the exposures rather than have a line at the front of the house. I know how hard it is to fight a fire and that you can get tunnel vision. But damn. Those scene commanders aren't supposed to do that.
The guy on the top of the ladder truck who right away stopped the house next door from burning, is the hero.
No, he’s cleaning up the mess that never should have happened.
@@bfirefighter3 You're right about that. The third house should have never been involved. They should of had a hand line on the B side of the house from the get go while the ladder was taking the stark out of the B side of the fire building.
They did fairly good . But most likely could have maybe done a little more at the beginning to protect that third house sooner. But hey overall not too bad .
Exactly. House C shouldn't have been involved if they'd concentrated on where the fire was and stopped that.
Great video that shows how quickly your physical possessions can go up in flames. This is what it looks like when you build houses so close to each other.
Watching this tore me up. Many years ago myself, my husband and our 6 kids (ages 1-12) survived our house burning down. It was July 7th at 9:00pm , I put the baby down to sleep and was getting a few of the other kids ready for bed when I smelled what I thought were firecrackers. I opened the door to the garage and flames shot into the house. After running through my house and getting all our kids out and to a neighbors ALL I COULD DO WAS COUNT MY KIDS OVER AND OVER AGAIN. I did not sleep for 2 days and just watched my kids sleep and carry on (and would continually would count them) in our hotel room. We lost almost every thing (what didn't burn, the soot ruined the rest). It's hard starting again with the clothes on your back, but my family was whole!!! I would not wish this on anyone, ever!
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Happened to me twice and starting over is super hard- especially when you lose your job because you lost everything in the fire including your pets and work uniforms. I hope you’re whole again. I never fully recovered after the second fire😢
Engine set up too far away for the deck gun to reach the flames. Tower sat there for 7 minutes with no one in a rush to raise it. Saw no one laying lines into the front. These guys new at this? Gotta get water on it quicker than that.
Смотрю саботаж! Это не тушение пожара, а его видимость. Практически на всех видео из США заметно, что пожар не тушится, а делает вид, что его тушат. Локализуют, поливают соседние дома, возможно, из-за тактики страховых компаний.
I have seen so many similar videos of various US Fire Departments. I wanted to ask a really simple question and I honestly don't mean any criticism by it. I live in the UK and the biggest difference between our Fire Authorities is that when our guys pull up to a fire, it has barely stopped moving before a hose is pulled out and a water jet is started from the internal tank. Only when that first hose is in action do our firefighters then look for alternative water sources...i.e a fire hydrant. Almost every TH-cam video I have seen of US Fire Departments seem to show a massive delay in getting that first jet active and directed at the fire. Plenty of fireman walking around and hoses being pulled but no hose directed at the fire at all for some time. Is this standard practice...?
I completely agree. The exception seems to be LAFD. Check out LAFD and see what you think....cheers.
What are you talking about?
They were putting water on this fire and the exposure before the video even started
And continued to do so long before the engine arrived with the supply line from the hydrant
BTW the rinky-dink reel lines used for quick attack in the UK wouldn't have done squat against this fire
GPM kills BTUs
Its one of the reason US Firefighting started moving away from reel-lines decades ago, same for fog/combination nozzles
I started firefighting in the 80's and have watched the evolution
Trust me.Most U.S. fire fighters have very low I.Q.....They don't have the brain capability to take out fires.Watch tons of video of them you'll see what i mean.The only fire department that has some brains are the N.Y.fire department.
@@virgilhilts3924 Check out this recent video and tell me when the first water jets started. th-cam.com/video/x36EqfgTQ38/w-d-xo.html
If you are the first company in and you need massive amounts of water it’s better to catch the hydrant first so you never run out of water!
It looks like there was a major problem getting a stable and adequate water supply. There were constant issues with maintaining effective water streams on both master streams and hand lines. Mains probably barely adequate for domestic supply when all of the houses were finished and occupied. Building density way too high for the type of construction in the neighborhood.
I agree 100%. 1 structure fire turned into 4 (1+3 collateral damage) Build them cheap and build them close
I know nothing about firefighting but I too guessed that looked like a major water issue. Does that make me a fully fledged FF armchair expert now?
yep! plastic plastic plastic buildings all on top of each other. at least where i live if my house were to god forbid burn the next door houses are both mostly brick so would be less likely to catch.
@@davep6977 Exactly! I have to show this video to my daughter, a disabled Vet. After months of beging her not to buy one of these "sardine can" neighborhood homes she built on an acre lot.
Greedy property developers and a possibly bought off city council are a bad combination.
Oriented strand board houses. They use the thinnest boards possible. Notice how quickly the roof and wall burn through? Truss structure made with 2x4s that are held together with thin steel gusset plates flimsy enough to bend easily in you hand. They have a bunch of little prongs that are stamped into the wood to join pieces together. The prongs on these plates don't extend far into the wood and in a fire, weaken quickly and fail.
These structures self vent quickly, burn hot and set the too closely built neighboring structures on fire. They build these houses fast and charge ridiculous prices for them. A well cared for older home is a better way to go.
Don't you have any building standard, and why are they placed so close (fire regulations) obviously only in US this happened, and why are your house lot so damn small?
When you want to pay $300,000.00 for a modest 3 bed 2 bath home, then we can do that. Factor in inflation and that is what one of those old homes would have cost you!
Let's not forget cheap unskilled labor throw it all together.
Actually when you have your home custom built there are builders out there who will build the roof the older way with a ridge beam and such, as well as with thick osb or thick plywood. One can choose to go brick instead of vinyl siding! Problem is way too many people put money on interior design instead of on safety and functionality when they build or renovate a home these days. You can forgo hardwood and choose carpet instead and put the money toward fire resistant exterior materials!
thats what happens when they build these developments of nice looking but fast built houses.
...Aleays like how the secondary arriving pumpers or apparatus units hook up to the hydrants and lay out their lines while the truck itself slowly moves up the street towards the fire...
Meth lab? That’s an unusual amount of fire
Great video.Terrible fire fighting.
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The firefighters took a long time to extend the magiro ladder. They waited for the fire to spread throughout the house and neighboring houses to use the magiro ladder. And after they extended the ladder, it didn’t do a very effective job as required by American tradition.
This is not America. 😊
Houses too close together. Common situation with modern subdivisions. Seemed like the FD units were overwhelmed for a short period.
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You’re right. I didn’t realize the house to the right was a separate house burning. I thought it was one with the house on the left taking slight damage.
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this is what happens when in my opinion the houses are set too close to one and other we had a fire in a area where the houses was set like this on a windy day by the time we got the fire out 5 houses was other total losses or damaged very badly and it had to go to 3 alarms
I keep wondering about the logic of building those huge 5 story wooden structure apartment buildings. I'd never live in one. Seems like any fire anywhere in 1000 units spells the absolute destruction of the entire structure, particularly if its a windy day. But builders HAVE TO keep in mind that when you build taller, you need a lot more space in between structures. Radiant heat is a bitch.
Well yeah
Paul Hermsen There should be stricter regulations for how closely houses are built to one another.
I apologize for my English(I write through an online translator). We in Russia in the construction of houses made of wood according to fire regulations should be at least 15 meters(49 feet), the last time this is followed quite strictly. But compliance with building regulations (codes) are all bad each one builds as he wishes. p.s. although with a good wind of 15 metres a little, saw the village where more than 100 homes burned for 3 hours, the whole village were 10 houses which were poderevnoy the sides from the fire.
@@leechagirl5249 nothing to do how close.it is what you build them with.
Exposure protection for adjacent structures is key. I see time and time again where this is not done only escalating the incident further and requiring additional resources. Most departments focus on the big fire and don't pay enough attention to adjacent buildings. Nice job guys!
Ladder trucks!!!! What an awesome tool. I wish our municipality would invest in one. They make a huge difference in initial knock down.
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tony boss302 stop spamming everyone. No one want to see a crap video.
If they would of actually got the water from the deck gun onto the fire they might of actually accomplished something before the other house started burning but yes exposure control is also needed
@@mindyschocolate It´s a nice video...
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Good job knocking down an already out of control fire and saving neighboring homes. Thanks Firefighters 🚒 !
Just my thought as Iam not a firefighter. I would think the hand lines would work to protect the exposures while the ladder truck, which has a greater volume of water, would work on putting out the fire.
Seems like almost every vid I watch is a good training vid for how NOT to put out fires. Sometimes, it takes 12 to 15 minutes from arrival to put the first water on the fire. Neighboring houses seem to always catch fire even when there was plenty of time to prevent that.
Look up Stockton California Fire Department. They have great videos and it's night and day the difference in attack strategies. They have knock in under 10 minutes from time of call in most cases.
6:10 bravo side exposure catches..get water on the exposures!
I couldnt believe they spent almost 5 minutes on that with the stick and accomplished nothing, while the hand line is on the primary house accomplishing nothing. IC needs to be demoted. That was piss poor management.
And get a crew inside the house on the bravo side save the other houses the main fire that house is gone
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Rightly or wrongly, I watch a lot of these fires (I'm a Brit' by the way) and it always amazes me that, in most cases the British Fire Fighters get started much more quickly than the American ones and are much more likely to run, rather than walk. In general the Americans are very good at what they do, but their fire fighting seems to be the exception.
These are Canadians in this video. I just watched a video of a fire in Manchester, UK. They seemed quite inept as well, using what looked like garden hoses on a factory fire. The factory and a large building next door burned to the ground.
@@BuckHypervisor Thank you. Perhaps I will have to revise my opinion !
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Virgil Hilts ,1 most faults have been covered by others ,1 miss use of water on other house ,a good spray would save water damage ,2no attempt to find seat of fire in building 3 crew members just walking ,4 no attempt to still kill fire in roof area ,Yes I have been in charge of all sorts of fires
You have no clue what youre babbling about
This was a great response. They saved the foundation.
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Another example of casual fire fighting. Do they check these guys vision from time to time?
A firefighter in panic mode only creates disaster! These men and women did a great job! God bless emergency personnel!
@6:30 Hey! Anybody looking at the exposures? Hello, anybody?
Clipboards are more important than exposures. If you can get more to burn it justifies you being there. Where I come from the FD would first get the fire under control by making sure it did not spread to adjacent buildings then fight it anyway to extinguish it out then worry about reports and stuff.
Charge the yellow line! Which one? There all yellow!
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Maybe that house on the left didn’t burn down but it suffered a lot of water damage. You can see that the shingles on roof got blown off by the water pressure so water likely entered the house.
No attempt to prevent extension on the left until the house was already on fire. It obviously starting to smoke but they took no notice. Very poor that. Wetting the wall would have prevented spread. And of course matchbox houses too close together.
The house was sure a mess, but afterward, the front lawn looked marvelous!!
I would never buy a house next to another house they are way too close and this is perfect example now three houses destroyed
Daniel Zimnoch Unfortunately the fault here is with the FD they should have had a hose line protecting both of those structures from the second they had water flowing.. I can’t believe that with a house that fully involved that quickly that they certainly didnt have enough manpower or fire apparatus there very fast. Very disappointing to see a ladder truck that can put out somewhere in the neighborhood of 2000 gallons of water per minute just sit there for as long as that one did
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The one on the left took minimal damage. Just don’t use the fireplace for a bit until repaired. Only two houses too a lot of damage.
Ronald Marshall the fault is actually with the homeowners who thought it was a great idea to buy houses three feet apart from each other with highly flammable, cheaply constructed houses.
@@mindyschocolate thank the city for that...
The small fire that started on the structure on the left should have been caught earlier, it went into the attic real quick!!!!
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Yes the eves trap radiant heat and are made of vinyl. Goes right in the attick.
They look new enough that they'll have spray foam insulation. Like putting rigid gasoline inside your walls.
6:15... did they not try to protect the exposure to the next door neighbor's house on both sides as they watched the chimney on the house to the left catch fire?
As slow as they were getting water on the fire I’m surprised they didn’t lose more houses.
Thats what I was thinking no urgency in them to be firefighter.
Must be a small fire department. More cops than firefighters. They didn’t protect extension nor any efforts until ladder/engine truck did.
@@thomashoang1820 this is a city of 1.3 million with 70ish fire apperatus spread across the city...
That plastic house burn like hell and the ladder engine is very slow attacking the fire
It seems like it takes a considerable amount of time 2 get a good water stream started.Not saying just in this job its like it happens in multiple citys,towns&boros all around the united states.Now i also seen master streams up & flowing quick also.But the slowness rate is greater then quicker....
Yes, master streams should have been considered, after hose lines were put on the exposures...
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@@이득하-e3j What's foolish about protecting exposures, or do you just live to Ad Hominem?
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@@이득하-e3j Sorry that some trying to learn from this incident tugged on your heart strings...
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Why not get the long ladders up right away and start pouring water into the top?
Did they have to fill out a 20 page risk assessment first!
Jeeeeze!
These guys showed how to get the job done. You can watch multiple videos of much larger departments send multiple times the number of units and personnel to the same size fire, only to spend much longer to get the fire under control and to allow the fire to spread to more units before they do so. These guys are really on the ball. Great initial attack, worked to protect exposures as soon as they had assets to do so, contained the fire primarily to the original structure with extension to only the top of one neighboring house and the siding of the other. Going from initial attack to mop up operations within 25 minutes with only 2 engine companies on scene of a fully involved multistory residence. This is how it's supposed to be done.
They were pitiful
They should all be fired. 3 stooge's fire department.
@@stephenmather8513 How could this department improve from what is shown? Saying they did awful and not explaining why does not really help anyone.
@@coneplato6702 there initial attack did nothing but waste water. A inch three quarter is not going to do anything against that volume fire. Should of been hit with a master stream. What took them so long to establish a water supply? Why weren't they setting up the ladder truck. Should I keep going.
@@stephenmather8513 No need to keep going. Thank you for providing context to your criticism.
Gas leak, I understand. Thank God the utilities put a stinky gas in with the supply so it's massively easier to detect. Bummer this happened though. Hopefully they have insurance.
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They burned like cardboard boxes. Super hot and fast! How did it start?
Glenn Martin undetermined but it was about 10am and it started at the back of the middle house, it has been dry and hot here, I'm no fire investigator but id bank on a cigarette in a flower pot
That's sad. I'm surprised people still smoke these days. I never did.
You didn't see fire spreading in this video, so how can you tell it was fast?
The cause is still unknown as of now
because the house is made from cardboard ...
Why did it take so long to establish the water supply?
In America, they don’t put out a fire right away, but let it flare up. The fireman on the stairs pointedly does not notice the large fire. He watered everything around, but not the fire. Only at 19:30 did he “notice” the fire. And put it out in a few seconds. The second carriage did not work "broke"
Does this department have hardware to make a fire curtain(s) between close structures?
I dont think that the result is something that can the firemen to be proud of !! Is it compulsory in US to build with wood, or is it cheaper ?
That house wouldn't go out with out a fight, an man, the fire fighters gave it their all! Amazing job!!
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Please, stop harassing them!!!. That attack was a joke considering all those resources. That deck gun correctly pressurized had put out 90% of the fire...and the best exposures protection it´s to put the fire out ASAP!!!.
They could have hosed down that jeep whilst they were at the scene, it looked like it needed a wash?
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Good chuckle
Obviously we don’t know the whole situation but I can’t for the life of me figure out why it took these guys so long to get big water on that house... wonder if they were having hydrant problems because in the end when they finally opens up it looked like water supply was good. As slow as they were about getting the ladder dumping water I’m surprised they didn’t lose houses on both sides... I spent 27 yrs on the FD and when ever we arrived on a house fire that involved we didn’t just stroll around while 1 hose put water on the fully involved structure. That ladder sat there for a long time before it got put to use. I saw both visible hoses and the deck gun just basically pisssing in the wind for quite a time so that’s what made me wonder if there was a problem...
Not sure what you mean by quite a while. From the time this video started, they already had three 2" lines on the fire, two running to the rear and one in the front. Within 4 minutes they had the 5" from the hydrant charged feeding the pumper and within 7 minutes they were supplying the aerial ladder. Check the times before you go bashing the fire department. I think they did a very good job considering the size of the fire when they arrived.
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Why did they shut the "deck gun" off? They should have adjusted the nozzle to a tighter stream then you could have done some good.
It took them 7 minutes to get water coming out of that truck. Those fire fighters sure were taking their time!
Why don't you shut up, expert.
It was a hot and humid day, thar always slows you down😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@earlemorgan5068 why ittook 7 minutesto get water???, thanks.
@@semproniodensso3353 The Ladder in order to be raised must have the following procedures followed.
1 bring the unit to a complete stop. 2 deploy stabilizers. 3 place the foot pad plates under the legs. 4 raise the legs to provide a wide stable base to operate from. 5 raise the ladder slightly.
6 connect the supply line. 7 connect hose pipe (if ladder is not pre-piped). 8 fill the ladder pipe. 9 have nozzle man go to the top of the ladder when completely raised. Climbing ladder while it is setting up is very dangerous. 10 nozzle operator clears nozzle and starts the flow by opening the bale of the nozzle.
@@davidlenzi3551 Naaa...I am talking about water discharge to the fire, which could be done through the deck gun or a handheld nozzle. Besides, 90% of trucks have telescopic waterways and remotely operated master stream in the ladder tip. And in this case, it was a Quint, with at least 200 gallons tank
Need more guys and water pressure. Dad is firefighter and said that they need more power all together.
Those guys will operate the same with all the psi they want...but training it´s not their thing!!!.
That deck gun with some more of psi had put out 90% of the fire...
Did they ever figure out how the fire started?
Put a smoke out in a flower pot, the peat lit and started the fire
How much time it takes to get water to the fire and to get organized, if ever you got organized, Man sguoyhame on
man, shame on you, what a disaster ! Amateurs. pffff
@@throeling No, they're professionals.
There just did not appear to be any sense of urgency to get water onto the property when they arrived. The ladder truck team just did not appear interested, they should have had that in the air immediately fighting the fire from above?
Deck gun also should remained in operation as well. At least would have two master streams. Not just one.
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@@eyecyou8525 I didn't see entry, maybe I missed it
Likely water supply prevented it. The elevated stream is running close to 1000GPM. Unlikely to support two master streams off a single hydrant until engines started relay pumping from neighboring hydrants- which takes time to set up.
Looks to me like the water pressure was a big problem here. Good equipment and the team seemed to do the right things and it was only 3 minutes or so after arrival that they started but without adequate pressure, your just pissing in the wind.
That really sucks for the homeowners. Obviously it's material things but the loss of money invested, memories and personal affects is a hard pill to swallow.
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It is all well and good to critisize the way the fire was handled, but unless you were actually there you have no idea of the actual situation. I have the utmost respect for firefighters, they risk their lives to save others every day.
@@daisymay258 why so aggressive
That’s why we have insurance but no amount of monetary compensation can replace memories that quite literally went up in smoke
Super drones at every fire station would be good. Calculate the radius and duration of the drones battery. They can access hard to reach spots at fire sites.
Spray foam Insulation !😳 engineered framing oh and let’s not forget vinyl over everything! The house literally melts down! SMFH
The wasted the water on the middle house front door and not the 🔥 and they arrived in the scene moving like nothing happened
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Ms Baju they dont want it to spread
You clearly do not know anything about firefighting, the house that was burning is already a loss, it cannot be saved, protecting the surrounding properties is better as it can be saved.
The reason why everybody acts like nothing is happenning is to know what to do and not panic like crazy chickens.
7 min before that stick started working. Yikes. Get your big guns on it fast. Nice forward lay by E40.
Yeah that is too long, E40 did do a good job my question is WHERE IS THE DECK GUN while stick is setting up? That gun can do amazing work until the tower ladder is in position to start pouring from the top.
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The handlines were useless, they should've been on the B side exposure.
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No they shouldn't
@@bzowadney Wrong, kid.
Let's see, there's flames over there so where do we put the water?
Если такой дом загорится, то тушить его бесполезно, нужно спасать соседние постройки. Эти начали тушить один дом, в итоге загорелись ещё два.
Looked like a long time for charging the supply line and setting up aerial master stream ops
I'm not a firefighter so maybe I just don't know better but it sure was frustrating to watch water being dumped ten feet short of the one fire and then seeing the neighbor's house catch fire.
Your not wrong that was a piss poor display of ability and effort.
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Could have bern a pressure problem at the hydrant.
@@tonyrowland9216it wasn’t. There was operator error from the start of this video to the end.
You guys EVER save a house?
It doesn't look like it!
Yeah bad time to walk the dog bro…God Bless the family.. at least u saved the neighbors house.. good job 👍
I'm not a pro but shouldn't they have focused on the sides of the house first to prevent siding damage and spread to the other houses? I'm only 5 minutes in and I can't figure why that truck is spraying the front of the house instead of the next one over....
One more why did it take so long to get the ladder snorkel in action those couple minutes could have saved the house on the right from what I could see
Aerials take longer to set up then pumpers
Never seen a ladder truck set up like that pick the rear up that far!! My old dept chief would have ripped us a new one for that! Things pitched forward big time thought the out riggers were simply to stabilize the truck not make it so you can change the wheels and maybe a brake service while there
The truck is parked uphill and needs to be level for the ladder to operate.
@@abedanielspictures looks fairly level Rd if there is a grade it doesn't appear to be that great
jay s I agree with you about the height of those rear tires. Maybe the regular ladder guy is doing brake work while the new guy blows the roof off the exposed house instead of putting out the fire.
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Armchair quarterback here..... I'd give it an 8 out of 10. That ladder stream was amazing. Really kicked ass. More trucks sooner probably would have helped, but overall a pretty damn good job. Could the truck on the right have been parked closer? Like others have said, I hope they had rigs at the back.
I don't know anything about fire fighting but in some of these video's. I don't understand why it takes so long to put that first drop of water on a fire. In this case about 3 minutes into the video, working to protect that second house. 7 minutes to get that ladder truck set up and to spray water/foam. Not dissing on the fire fighters at all, I suppose I don't understand the procedures/methods.
Always so sad when it’s house fires, people’s lives going up in flames. Can’t imagine the feeling!!
@Councilman Les Wynan in the description, this fire happened in Canada
@Councilman Les Wynan it's not just stuff, it's memories, it's items that hold sentimental value. No lives may have been lost, but they most certainly were changed forever.
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Alpesh Mistry councilman Les Wynan... obvious that you have never had a house fire that destroyed everything you own. With my department we assign a 4 man team to get in and get out as many personal items as we can see, pictures a big one! Also do you know that in 89% of house fires there are at least 1 pet inside.
@@andylucas8262 I agree 100%. We lost our garage in 2010 to a fire. My show car was inside as was all our christmas decorations. As well as stuff from my grandparents on both sides who passed away. So i agree. It's not just a house or garage. It's memories. I wouldn't wish this shit on my worst enemy
3 minutes I've been watching this and that ladder truck is still not being prepared for this fire that's the first thing you start to do when you get a ladder truck there and start getting it ready up in the air for the water
They know what they're doing. There's no one in the structure, so no risk of loss of life. You never rush under those conditions because if a firefighter gets injured, perhaps seriously, now you not only do you have a structure fire to attend to, but now you also have to provide medical care for the injured firefighter in the process, which is a lose/lose situation. There's a method to the madness.
I think exposures mean absolutely nothing to them
MattCanadianPacific Galt they could go faster
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In 2019 a fire department responded to a fire on average every 24 seconds in the United States, according to the National Fire Protection Association. A home fire was reported every 93 seconds, a home fire death occurred every three hours and 10 minutes, and a home fire injury occurred every 43 minutes. And still America build their houses with wood. I just don't get it. In South Africa all houses are build with brick and mortar. The only wood in your structure are the roof trusses.
Price. Brick structures take too long to build and are more expensive.
So to the pro's out there, explain me these few things as I keep seeing it repeatedly and it boggles my mind:
1) why does it take so long to get all the hoses setup, primed and firing?
2) why are the firetrucks not setup to start pumping water out of cannons as soon as they stop, like the trucks at the airport
3) why is it always so problematic with keeping hoses in order and kink-free?
4) why can the water and ladder not be remote controlled from within the cab or on a console, so you can start moving the stuff before the truck even comes to a halt
I have binge watched quite a number of fire videos and on many occasions, more damage was done and more lives were at stake or even lost, because water wasn't put on the blaze quick enough or it was a water supply issue.
Would love to join the firefighter training some time, but I am not nearly as fit as I need to be, I know these boys volunteer most of the time and I have huge respect for them. I just feel like they are somehow restricted by equipment, not skill.
1) Deploying hoselines is labor intensive requiring manpower. 2) Airport rigs have two engines, one to power the wheels and another that powers the pump which allows them to pump and roll. Structural firefighting rigs have only one engine to power both. That requires the operator to stop the vehicle and transfer power to the pump. 3) Keeping all lines kink-free is next to impossible, however the firefighters attempt to keep the kinks as minimal as possible. 4) Read answer number two. For the amount of fire and limited manpower the knockdown of this fire was fairly rapid.
@@johnhill4964 thank you so much for the detailed reply. I am sure, if firefighters could attack a house fire in 30 seconds they would. I know I couldn't lug the equipment around and do the running and physical labour in top of that. I just wonder why they have such limiting equipment then. Its clearly a monetary issue.
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Nobody in this video is volunteer. Calgary is a city of over 1 million people.
Whenever I see a fire. I've seen a few. I allways think God don't let there be any people or animals trapped in there
Seemed to take the firemen forever to get the water going. Very stressful. This is exactly why houses should never be built so close to each other. I feel so bad for the people who lost their home.
Well except for the fact that they had lines working the fire before the video even started... Oops
So in Canada, they classify a Ladder Truck as an Engine ?
Might just be a mistake on the graphics part of the department, what you see for the majority is called an aerial, while ladders with platforms are called ladders.
@@cadelegg6439 I know the difference, been a Firefighter for 38 years. Mistake in graphics, doubt that, graphics are easily fixed, especially if the builder made a mistake. Our ladder is a 118 foot E-One Bronto, which we call a Tower.
Some places use Quints as "Engines".
@@greyman686 Our Tower is a quint, but we dont call it an Engine.
Funny. I remember as a kid how Firemen would rush to a fire. Rush to get things connected. Now it's, take my time unravel the hose. Set up the ladder. Mean time two other homes gave caught fire. Now there are 3 homes a blaze. Why does it take so long to fight a fire now a days? Or the the rules changed in fighting fires
These GREEDY developers squeeze as many houses as they can, as close as they can when they build a new subdivision. There NEEDS to be new laws requiring at least some distance between structures.
There "NEEDS to be" judgement or discretion on the part of the consumer, and some staffing and competency on the part of the fire department
@engimedic "judgement or discretion on the part of the consumer" won't increase the distances between the homes... only your local zoning commission can do that
@@25mfd That is one of many ways to address it. So you think the homes will continue to be built that way if nobody buys them, and they're sitting vacant for years? Do you think that lending institutions will continue to make loans to developers on property that can't be sold? Do you think a mortgage company is going to approve a loan on property that cannot be insured? There are many angles to this, not the least of which is consumerism.
"That is one of many ways to address it"... seems to me that if you want a zoning change, lobbying your zoning commission is the ONLY way to address it
@@25mfd Yes, if you need your government to do your bidding for you. In a free society the market drives production. Hence, my previous post, which you avoided addressing.
Hey, ladder truck dude! Notice how fast the exposures cooled off when you put water on the FIRE!
Right!! I was wondering what took them so long
I built a new house in 2001 and the city I was building it in required 15 ft on each side of the home so that's 30 feet between you and your neighbor. This scenario probably would never happen in my neighborhood, you had one house fire with 3 other homes damaged.
I wonder if it was their own home would they work (fight it) at such a leisurely pace?
I see a moving box at the house on the right end. I wonder whether they moving in or out. Either way is bad. Unfortunately not everyone can afford a brick house on a large lot. Perhaps mandatory sprinklers in these houses would have done the trick?
If u look for the fireman,, very very low moving,,, disappointing,, u need to train it well,, but good job,, small fire become 3 houses
@Adrian R
For those critical of this fire.... via the 2009 grand jury report.
Major areas of concern regarding Bethel Island include the following:
A portion of the fire fighting personnel is continually rotated without a formal orientation regarding the unique characteristics of the island.
Fire hydrants are available in the business district. This area encompasses only about one-third of a mile of Bethel Island’s community. At present they are not functional. There are approximately 7 miles of heavily populated roads that must rely on trucked in water.
Surrounded by water, Bethel Island has no readily available water to fight fires.
In addition to the water available on the fire trucks and local private pumps, fire fighting water is brought in by tanker trucks or drafted (pumped) from the Delta.
The fire house has been condemned due to mold infestation. This fire needed to have a tanker relay set up for a water supply as there is no available water for them where this fire is.
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Is there people in side houes
No they got out.
The real problem here is what’s mentioned in a few posts here. The proximity of houses to each other caused a bad series of events. It wasn’t the firefighters who didn’t do their jobs, it was the fact the house in the middle was so well gone on arrival, that the heat and wind combined caused two more to go up. Don’t take much to start another house going , when one is roiling already, and two more are close by. They did what they could and fortunately no lives were lost. Houses can be rebuilt, lives lost.. can’t.
I believe the Acronym RECEO should have been followed. Rescue EXPOSURE Confine Extinguish Overhaul. Water should have gone to the Exposures first. Especially since it was tank water and wouldn't have done much to main fire but alot to the exposure. And yes I have been there between the exposure and the 50% involved trailer houses with 500 gallons of water and 2nd due 5 minutes out.
Exactly. They’re building these cracker boxes in Florida 5 to an acre on land that was once farmland.
Yes a fire department not trained in or by NYFD . Understand putting water on A fire puts it out. Work together work quickly. And putting water on exposed property keeps them from burning as well. Not wait till its in the basement.
Hi Maxwell.
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Vjcm
Thank God everyone were okay!
God?🤔🤔, I say thank well trained and professional firemen
@@hectorguerrero752 Is it in USA
@@subbarao9057 Canada. Not the US of A which has a much smaller land area.
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уже дом сгорел а они все ходят.наше мчс ееще офигенные парни
Ани бегоет когда узнают что не застраховано,,а уних все застаховано даже кусти на дорогах,,,так что и владелецу вигодно чтоби згорело,,,
Уних как двух митровое дошечка на голову упадеть и он герои сша может и на пенсию пустиять
У нас хоть шпала четырёх метровая один хер нарушение тб с твоей стороны
BRAVO ZA VATROGASCE NA VRHU MERDEVINA, TAKO SE RADI. OD 5 VOZILA SAMO ON RADI! ŠTA KA MU NESTANE VODA ZA ODREĐEN MLAZ, ZNAČI ODE LEPA VILA, GORI NIKO NE GASI, SEM ONOG NA STUBAMA. SVAKA MU ČAST!
I really dont know why the issue is getting water fast and first attack is so delayed. It seems In the USA you dont have several hydrants in a street to get water and the trucks are built so big that most cant carry water. So much time lost !
Is this in Canada eh?
Yes....Canadian made!!
Look at those firemen. They were so enjoyable to watch there. Yes, these were not their properties. Just like what you can see in the ERs.
ngelek terus
Good FF job. Good cameraman job.
Wy do they waiting so long before they gonna hose some water, it's taking 10 min almost before they begin.....in Holland when we arrive, imidality we start with hosing water.
28:48 kink in red fire hose reducing pressure.
Seen that around 8 mins, i got a little twitchy seeing that.
Wow. In 30 years of emergency services, I've never seen anything quite like this. How many firefighters were on those 2 rigs? I saw 2 red helmets in the beginning, but nobody did anything about the exposures. There was no sense of urgency. What happened to the master stream on the engine? That house was gone when the 2nd engine got there, they should have concentrated on the houses on the exposures rather than have a line at the front of the house. I know how hard it is to fight a fire and that you can get tunnel vision. But damn. Those scene commanders aren't supposed to do that.