@@billbixler8630 lol I know. And honestly, I respect the shit out of these guys and girls, I really do. Sometimes, like once in a blue moon, I just wonder what’s going on. But again, they do a job as volunteers a lot of them, that I appreciate the hell out of them for doing! But get water on that thing boys!! 😂😂😂😂
Driver sure took his time. They need to practice more. It was more than five minutes after truck pulls up until first water was on fire. Not good fellas.
As a firefighter. This is horrendous to watch. It took them over five minutes to get water on the fire. It should only take about 60 to 90 seconds. Don’t worry about proper apparatus placement, stretch a line and get water to the seat of the fire.
I'm a station chief at a massively underfunded volunteer department and can tell you that if my guys who make $3 a call ever moved with that little purpose I'd be losing my mind. I don't care if it was a writeoff or not. That was a joke. To see these clearly well funded departments action so painfully slowly kills me. Kudos to the ladder op though. He knows what he is doing.
Thank you for your service. It drives me insane when I see videos of departments will million dollar trucks performing poorly and everyone in the comments are complaining about volunteers. It just baffles me.
Hey Chief sorry to hear about your underfunded department, hope it changes. Yes they are moving slow but when I looked it more closely I can see they had no water source. My tower runs out of water in about 25 seconds using the aerial and 2 mins using the hand lines. That got me thinking that we don't see the guys on the road securing a water source and they may have run into a challenge. Yes he was great moving the nozzle and knocking down some fire. Guy on the ladder as it was moving was a lesson in darwinism though.
Volunteers is NO excuse. Our town is volunteers only and they get water on the flames under 1 minute. They work much different: On arrival they are fully geared up. Water is onboard, on call if needed. Each have been assigned tasks, are fully briefed and informed prior to arrival.
My friend and I had been out canoeing all day and therefore no-one could get in touch with us. At the end of the day I drove her home. When we turned down her road it was full of firengines and police that were just finnishing putting out the fire. There was a few timbers left of her house, nothing else. It was just the most devastating sight that I will never forget. All she had left was her canoe and the clothes she was wearing.
So let me get this straight, you brought in 2 ladders a squint? Jack around positioning them instead of bringing in pumpers first droppong lines and getting water on the fire? Who ever was in command needs to be fired.
It's a good thing you aren't an actual firefighter or you would be getting fired for uneducated reasoning like that. Given the roof fire load as well as fire on both floors, the aerials were the best tool Especially since the only unit with a pump was busy grabbing the hydrant when the towers arrived I guess in your world the aerials should have just waited on the street until they were finished with the hydrant and laid in a line blocking the driveway along with the front of the structure.... BRILLIANT!
@VIRGIL HILTS I am an actual firefighter and seen fires bigger then this knocked down with 2 1/2 quicker then this. Secondly, no one said anything about not using them and last thing you said they had pumpers on hydrants lol our protocols are pumpers in first drop lines attack fire not pumpers sit wait for them to take an eternity to back in set up while in the mean time the house went fully engulfed
@@mikegunner6686 its easy to be critical from the internet. We dont know wether the engine was on scene or not (considering if they were, they would be in place of one of the trucks). youre basing you opinion on a 13 min video yet theres many other variables to consider.
I'm always amazed at how slow and methodical firefighters are. I would feel like I would be in more of a hurry to get water on the fire. Of course, I this case it was a total loss before the even arrived.
Agreed. 13m video. First 5 minutes of figuring out how/where to park the truck. At 9th minute finally a 2nd stream of water. How about show up and start throwing water boys? And for 13m some dude with video. Put down the camera and grab a hose. Not impressed.
@@hieronymusbosch6255yeah you try driving a big ass firetruck in a small driveway like that and position the ladder correctly. you people critiquing the professionals 💀
I saw another video where a different crew did this really weird thing - they pulled right up and parked, pulled out hose, and started spraying water on the place before they even had a chance to walk around with a radio or a phone!
@@BreakerOneNine07 Sucks doesn't it? What made my home fire even more suckier to deal with is my home caught fire and burned on Memorial Day 1985 and the closest fire company was in the holiday parade on the other side of town so it took a different fire company that much longer to get there. My neighbors broke thru 2 basement windows with 2 garden hoses to try and protect the oil barrel from the fire until they were too overcome by smoke to continue. We all escaped but my hamster died of smoke inhalation. I remember the fireman trying to get it air using a straw and gently puffing air into her. You're right, rich or poor, I wouldn't wish that on anybody. Such a gut punch to watch.
I'm a volunteer firefighter also, but I have to wonder why the second arriving (or third) didn't tag and lay in. A hand line or 2 would've put a knock on the fire while they got their stick in place. Still got love for the volunteers on the first arriving tho. Stay safe, y'all!
Laying supply lines can block access for other apparatus and that was a very narrow driveway easy to block. With the size of the structure and amount of fire it was smart to bring in the trucks then hand-jack the supply lines. Big fire needs big water and aerial master streams will deliver the largest amount. This definitely appears to be a defensive operation on arrival and possibly transitioning, but that doesn’t look possible as the video progresses. It’s hard to say or criticize when you have one camera and no other reference. As far as running hand lines, when you are water challenged, you make every gallon count. Hand lines would have had little to no effect so why waste limited resources on something that would not have helped the outcome? This, unfortunately, was a loss on arrival. 😢
I have to guess that the owners begged the department to allow it to burn for insurance reasons. No other possible rationale would explain how long it took to apply ANY water!!!
I’m in insurance By the time the video started the house was already a total loss. Sometimes really nice houses do burn. They are so lightly built they can go up in no time
The more of these fire videos I watch I think the common theme among fire depts is how slow and ineffective they are. Essentially foundation saving specialists lol
Well why don't you become a firefighter and try to change things if you think that's the way it is. You got to remember a bunch of these films you're seeing are volunteer departments and not knocking volunteer departments you've got to remember a lot of departments you got to leave your house or work go to leave your house or work go to the station and get the truck inmate the rest of the firefighters at the scene that takes quite a bit of time
@yeoldeseawitch that's the biggest clown statement I ever heard. American career firefighters are the only ones that still do aggressive interior attacks. And career are on scene within 2-5 minutes dumbfuck
It's the US, they're very incompetent to fight fires, there's several videos, they always need 7mns to get setup There's a video of Canadians firefighters taking out a fire in one minute 30, 10 seconds deployment Canada, Australia, France have way better firefighters than the US
You should be ashamed of yourself. I’ve never seen so many fire fighters walking around with no direction. I understand defensive tactics. Hand lines? WTF?
@user-br8fn3vi9y did you not see the volume of fire right from the start? What was an 1 3/4" or even a 2 1/2" handline going to do? Think before you speak. They were behind the proverbial 8 ball upon arrival
Im not a firefighter but i the upmost respect for the dangerous job you have to do. I don't think I could ever go into a burning building. Thank-you for what you do you are hero's
The place was pretty much gone upon the first trucks arrival but engines with deck guns getting in their would have helped control the fire to some degree until a water supply could be established and towers/ladder trucks deployed with master streams. Pretty wicked loss.
It took forever to get the water supply. A deck gun is only going to work for about 1 1/2 to 2 minutes if you have 1000 gallons of water on your truck. I'm not sure that would have been enough. It sure took a long time to get water going.
nah deck guns would run you out of water long before you got a water supply. idk why or how they had 3 ladders and no engines but I assume they're quints and this capable of putting SOME water 9n to fire so idk why they didn't
@@whatusernameis5295 Judging by size im gonna guess they were just trucks not quints, but why they waited for 3rd due to lay in is beyond me. As for using a deck gun like the other guy said, putting an engine in there first would be great for a short while but a tower is what your gonna need for that in the long run and once an engine is in there, a tower isnt gonna make it.
@@whatusernameis5295 This raises the question of prefire planning and dispatch assignments in the given jurisdictions involved. I never would have expected 3 ladder trucks to be first, second, and third in. Some kind of quick and even limited initial attack may have slowed the fire down.
Such a beautiful home and huge backyard! My kind of home, minus the flames of course. 😉.. Unfortunately fires happen to any home. Things are replaceable except family photos and family heirlooms. I’m just glad no one was hurt.
The citizens are the fire district and in East Norwich most of the citizens aren’t volunteer fireman, if you noticed Syosset FD provided mutual aid. The fire stations are not close to these homes and they are not manned so it takes a while to get trucks manned and rolling.
@@bruceburkett7670 how do you describe the lack of fire ground pace? The lack of water being flowed in a timely manner? I love that fire service is primarily volly but there is absolutely no excuse for how they operate on scene because they are then staffed.
Y’all always find a way to complain and whine about something. You think you know so much, how bout you go out and train to be a firefighter. I’m sure you would get the job done oh so much faster….
@@GoddessMe444 but I have trained for and I am a professional fireman. I can assure you that we would as a collective at minimum be reprimanded for lack of action on this incident.
@@GoddessMe444 this video came out 6 months ago, so way ahead of you have already been a firefighter for over 9 years. The response here was absolutely terrible, while they were waiting in the ladder truck, they already had 3 pumpers on scene that could of surrounded and drowned the fire.
What a shame. Terrible for someone to lose their house. They aren't going to be able to save anything of that. Prayers go out to the victims, and hopefully nobody was injured or lost their pets.
@@novdtI feel sorry for any victims of any tragedy. Just because someone has something that you don't doesn't mean you should not have compassion. I don't even think you even have the full understanding of the malice in your statement. There is too much hate in this world, and you are a perfect example.
@@novdt You sound like a typical lib. Jealous of someone who has what you don't. I've seen bigger houses. If they earned it, they deserve it and don't deserve their home to go up in flames. I don't care if it was 1500 sq ft, or 15,000.
@@novdt I have personal items and collections of things that aren't replaceable, because they simply don't make them anymore, like my grandmother's china. Yes insurance will build back my house, and give me a certain amount to replace the contents, some contents are irreplaceable for any dollar amount though.
@@BL-jt3qt no haste. If you’re not going to put the fire out as soon as possible then don’t show up. Simple as that. Looks like a lot of lolly gagging going on when there’s lots to do, like putting water on the fire in the quickest means possible.
Hope everyone got out ok. Would be interesting to know the cause. Don’t know why it took so long to get a hose working, at least 5 mins in to the video. Responders seemed more concerned with the truck parking than putting out the fire. So many of them just wondering around.
Without an adequate supply of water, that’s pretty much all the firemen can do is, walk around and assess things until water can be brought in. I couldn’t tell if they even had a hydrant or had to truck it in.
@@geraldduncan5646 don’t American fire engines have water on board? They do in the UK. Two fire fighters will hose up from the unit and start tackling the fire while the other two will hook the unit up to a hydrant.
@Brian Ball. Yeah our fire trucks have on board tanks but with a fully involved house like this, the amount of water they have won’t do much. From my end it didn’t look like they had a hydrant to work with so they probably brought in a tanker to supply water
Nothing at all wrong with their pace ~5 minutes to place, set up, elevate, and flowing via an LDH is quite respectable The roof and attic were blazing and there was fire visible on the interior of both floors upon arrival The place was a loss before they even arrived
That fire moved across that roof fast, hopefully there were no injuries to anyone related to this incident. Thank you to all firefighters everywhere for protecting the citizens of your coverage area.
Always surprised how long it takes to get water on the fire. Reminds me to check and make sure my fire extinguishers are charged and in working order lol.
My house burned down. I live in a poor area. I was outside screaming and the trucks, cops, ems etc where there within minutes putting water on. Even at 2am
@@Audioobscure you have an outstanding emergency response team in your area. I've been on scene at 3 motorcycle accidents this year. The fastest response time was in the city, 14 minutes. Longest was 45. That was quite a ways out of town though.
I thought the same thing...1st cannon was up and running in 4-5 minutes, second never got going for 12 minutes and all the guys on deck with hoses didnt start squirting til the very end. Looked more like a controlled burn !!
Its worse with the wild fires we have.... there is no doubt they let them burn... probably so they can blame it on climate change.... very often the fires are set by climate cultists starting the ' wild fires" .
Let's stop and hope everyone is doing ok the paramedics and firemen deserve a lot of credit your service and time and efforts are deeply appreciated great job great catches as usual way to go keep them safe out there you guys rock thanks ! Joe
Wake up Joe! They did a crappy job! Water on fire very late! Hand line in service very late! Number of hand lines very low! Exclusively straight stream from towers. Firefighters wondering around holding hand tools with no direction. Tools in hand are for interior firefighting, yet the only attack ever made was from the exterior. When they finally made entry at 8:11 they did not bring a hose line with them😱 But maybe I have it all wrong, good shit might have been taking place , but the camera person just missed recording it!
The old saying they don’t make them like they used to, thank goodness. It’s not as attractive on a custom home but James Hardie siding is at least fire resistant and sprinklers in the house do help a lot.
Very poor fire attack. Absolutely no need to hit the roof which had no fire. Just created a hazard for the rest of the crew! 3 ladder trucks arrived before an engine. I give this department a. D-
I bought a new build 5 years ago, and that's the siding it has, I like it. If my neighbor's house burns at least I won't see vinyl melting and dripping off of mine.
In my firefighters school we used to use these videos to teach what not to do in an fire emergency. Thanks to all of you to show us the meaning of speed, training and how to keep our properties and lives save. Lol
I guess they didn’t want to get their hand lines dirty 🤷. And yeah, you don’t want to be inside a structure when an aerial master stream is hitting it.
I wonder why they let it burn for a period of time before they start putting water on it? It seems once they do so it goes out fairly quickly? After read in comments, I now know location of water source, but wouldn't these areas have tanker trucks available?
After watching a number of these house-fire and fire dept response videos, homeowners really need to be prepared to fight the fire themselves for the first 20 minutes after fire discovery and 911 call, otherwise the fire will have spread to the whole house by the time the fire dept gets adequate water on it. Because of these videos, I've added fire hoses or extinguishers on all levels of my house, and am shopping for a homeowner-grade self-contained breathing apparatus (SCBA) that will give me 20 minutes of air in working conditions. Also, I am thinking that it would be a good idea to organize a firefighting plan with the neighbors so everyone knows where the exterior hoses are on all houses, and so neighbors with a first response plan will know what to do in the event of any house-fire on the block. I don't understand the lack of fire dept urgency I typically see in these videos while the structure is unnecessarily destroyed. I've never been a firefighter, but I have been on teams of men in dangerous and urgent situations, and we always moved fast, not casually.
Very bad intial attack. No water supply. As far as I can see, you have no engine on scene but, 2 platforms that had no water supply. This is getting to be an issue everywhere. Improperly dispatched. This 46 years of paid and volunteer fire fighting talking to you. I'm kind of glad I'm going into retirement. I don't like what see anymore.
@@Shadowwand yea but as firefighting goes, it is still saving lives and helping to save a person's home. But as you see this here, this is an issues that is running rampant within the fire fighting 'industry' as a whole. I began being a firefighter in the mid 1970's. What I have seen it grow into today, is less than successful. Mistakes, mismanagement, free lancing, not listening, wanna be's who get others hurt. I have been asked to teach at my alma mater of Texas A & M TEEX. I'm a retired battalion chief what started out as a lowly green horn in the 1970's. It disturbs me to see men in school, in class, and watching their cell phone as opposed to being involved in the class. And nearly the same on an active fire ground. Watching a chief or battalion chief reprimand a firefighter for using his personal phone while on an active fire ground and not responding to commands from officers. That blew me away. I have never considered a mistake to happen at an active fire scene. But, when I watch a command officer have reprimand a firefighter (or firefighters) for not listening to or not responding to a command because the fireighter(s) was/were involved sending videos and photos of a fire scene on his personal phone to TH-cam, SnapChat, Instagram. While on an active fire ground. That is the immaturity the firefighting profession is getting today. Seeing mistakes like you see here are putting others, not just the firefighters, in a very unsafe position. Trying to teach what use to something that was required. Dispatching an engine that arrives on scene and the engine setting up a water supply As one of their first requirements. Yet I see time and time again, engines rolling into a working structure scene without ever setting up supply water. Provided you have a hydrant you can set up a supply with. It just upsets me to see what you see here and then wondering what or how the ISO rates such things.
@@normanrickleyjr7178 "Very bad intial attack. No water supply" -There was a hydrant ~300 feet from the driveway and it was clearly in use "you have no engine on scene" -There was clearly an Engine at the hydrant before the trucks were even set up "2 platforms that had no water supply" -Again the trucks were clearly supplied by LDH "Improperly dispatched" -How so...? "This 46 years of paid and volunteer fire fighting talking to you" -Your words PROVE otherwise
Know where this was - and to Think I am watching it go up - use to in Norwich all the as I was growing up some 65 - 70 yrs ago - my Uncle was one of founding fathers of the Norwich Rescue Squad - have been in Fire/EMS for over 50 yrs - THANKS to ALL the Volunteers 🙋♂️ 👍 😀
A fireman once told me that when the fire gets in the attic insulation it can go up in 5-7 minutes. Fighting a fire in a rural setting with limited water access is difficult. Not the same as city fire fighting.
Attic insulation is supposed to be non flammable by building codes, but I assure you when attics get to burning you have to find the attic interior access and get water on the fire in a hurry to prevent burning the roof off. If the house is well involved with fire then you need truck companies to open the roof to let some heat out to be able to get to the fire in an attic, but few departments are trained to do this as regular practice and getting on a hot roof can get firefighters killed. I felt like strangling my crews a few times but no way I allow them to really get hurt.
@@scootertrash911 that may be true today, I will check what you say with our local fire department. Back in 1970, a fireman told me this when our neighbors house caught fire.
@@scootertrash911 not sure what department you are with but venting the roof is a common operation. And as far as you saying insulation doesn't burn is false information. Insulation will burn at 375 degrees any house fire is well above 375 degrees.
Looks like regular shingles, but due to the house style it wasn’t wood shingles was it? Burning like it’s the cape cod wood shingles. Blowing off with the cannon like wood or is that the framing?
~5 minutes to stage, set up, elevate, and pump to a tower via 2x LDH is a quite respectable time But thanks for showing your complete ignorance on the subject
Is it just me, or wasn't I taught to direct the water/retardant at the base of the fire so that the oxygen supply was reduced? Wouldn't it have been better to direct the water through the windows into the enclosed places so that the steam formed would cool and smother the flames instead of spraying the water onto the surface where it would quickly boil off into the atmosphere? It seems putting water, that would form steam, into the rooms before the roof was completely burned off, would have been more efficient and effective.
Fire was largely in the upper story, and the roof (and probably a lot of the floors) where pretty much gone, the water would go down through the structure anyway. I think their main idea was to get that heat down.
yeah I was about to say I had a cousin that used to work in the fire department as a firefighter but then he moved up to be a fire marshal. so he now does fire code inspections and so forth. he told me that at his fire department they were taught to just aiming at the fire cuz the water's going to go down to the base of the fire anyways. and fire hydrants have to put out a certain amount of water or else they get disabled by the city or municipality who's responsible for the hydrants. they're supposed to put out enough to flood a house instantly like literally wash out the whole house. just giving idea in my area. it's a 500 gallon per minute system and then on the main road up the road from my house out of the neighborhood on the main road. they have a 1000 gallons per minute system. they only have 1,000 gallons system because businesses are on there and you have to have higher water volume for businesses if a business is on fire commercial buildings are bigger and require more water to put out the fire . but yes . I was taught to that to you aim at the base of the fire.
I wonder how much the new paint job on Tower 516 was, because the drivers rear side of it was smoking pretty good just before they started applying water (8:28 mark)!
Everyone is complaing about the timing. The house was already destroyed, there was not much can be done to save the house and no one inside so no medical emergency. And no next door house that can burned down. By the looks of it the house is way out in the middle of nowhere and about 20 minutes from the nearest firehouse.
As an aussie i'm amazed such vulnerable structures exist. Or such slow fire fighters. That was a beautiful house though. Hope the owners recover well from that loss.
@virgilhilts3924 mostly because I've seen many videos where they get water on within 1 or 2 minutes, and run, not stroll. Not saying they did a bad job, just could be better imho.
@@G-force_Motorsport They could have had water on this inside of 1-2 minutes with a cross-lay... which wouldn't have done squat to the fire, been a waste of water, and blocked the driveway for the best tool on a job like this... an elevated master stream. They correctly assessed the entire situation (elevated structure, advanced fire on three floors, collapsing roof, high fire load) and chose the best plan (operate defensively with elevated master streams). Further, running around on a fire ground is idiotic, pointless, and dangerous. Many departments actually forbid doing such for those very reasons.
You wanna know the honest answer to that question? It might sound unpleasant but you deserve the truth. The answer is multifaceted and includes all of the following: 1). Modern day Western employment policies that include unions, equal opportunity (EO), equal employment opportunity (EEO), diversity, gender integration, affirmative action, sexual harassment and related clap trap and so on and so forth; 2). the combined effects of the litigious nature of the populace and fear of litigation and bureaucratic accountability by employees and supervisors; 3). Societal risk aversion in general; 4). the tendency for all organizations and western institutions and professions to gravitate toward centralization versus decentralized command and control; 5). fear of media exposure by all in charge of everything; 6). the de-masculinization of society; 7). poor urban and rural planning leading to population density exceeding emergency assets and water resources; and 8). modern day construction with high reliance upon plastics and other flame feeding ingredients. All these things lead to this type of response. Let her burn. Avoid the lawsuit. Make sure they got batteries in their smoke alarms via social media. Not all responses nor all units are the same of course but you get my drift. Signed: gramps was a fire chief and grew up at the fire house then served in the military for a few decades.......
@@seanb7310 It has everything to do with the problem here. I do know what I'm talking about. Fire departments, police departments, military units, construction companies, you name it. These progressive policies and other globalist economic changes have affected our society in ways that are not apparent to those who fail to see it.
I like how they placed the tower trucks, mostly looks like they did what they could in this setting. I always said if you are in an area that lacks water a tanker should go beside every water tower ! Just think if both ladders had 3500 gallons each what a difference it would make on such fires at the start ?
@littlehuey5679 It was an area with hydrants just a few hundred feet away. Which is why the aerials were placed priority as this was clearly going to be a high fuel load defensive fire needing lots of GPM.
Not that it matters, but "a mansion is a home that offers at least 5,000 square feet of space and at least five to six bedrooms." This house: per Zillow. 2.6 million dollar house. 5k square feet. 5 bedrooms, 4.5 bathrooms, last sold in 2009.
As a firefighter myself, you’re absolutely correct. It would’ve made sense that the 2nd or 3rd do could lay from a hydrant on the way in. Of course, situation dictates and there’s a few reasons this might not be possible or practical. In general however, you are correct, there wasn’t much of a sense of urgency.
When I was in 2nd grade, a girl in my class lost their house from a fire cause her little brother was playing with matches. Which is very dangerous and how many people lose their homes like that. I found out it was not too far away from where my family and I were living, cause on the night it happened, my dad said he could smell something burning and he thought it was something in the house. I couldn't smell anything, and neither could my mom or my brother. But my dad said he could smell it very clearly. We never figured out what it was until the next day. We got a visit from a neighbor that a house nearby burned down and it was the house of the girl in my class. My dad apologized for the way he acted cause he literally scared us. Some time went by and the girl and her family got a new place to live, but she wasn't the same as she was before. Somehow she started behaving strangely and not speaking much and not letting anybody talk to her, including teachers. I don't know what happened afterwards but hopefully her Careless little brother learned his lesson. Kids, do not play with matches, lighters or anything that starts fire. It's very dangerous and you could burn yourself or others, even your home. So let's be careful out there.
A good teaching fire here. Safety is key, this structure is written off and proper line and apparatus placement is a priority. Water will get there when it gets there. Good job!!!
@@OvalNowhere That roof is burned through and partially collapsed. Proper placement is key to protect members from imminent collapse by establishing a collapse zone. There is no exposure or lives at risk or saveable there. The focus is on putting it out as safely as possible.
The biggest problem for firemen in the U.S. must be that most houses are wood structures so once a fire starts there is not much they can do to contain it. This must be very frustrating because a house fire is one of the most terrible things that can happen to people.
The majority of residential structure fires rarely involve the structure itself, the fuel load is primarily the contents ~80% of US residential fires are contained to the room of origin And ~80% of fires that escape the room of origin are contained to one adjacent space
@Investigation Committee What I have also noticed is that in the U.S. firemen seem to be invulnerable to smoke and other dangerous stuff. Some have airbottles on their backs but nobody seems put their masks on reagrdless of how heavy the smoke is Here in Europe it is mandatory to use masks when getting too close to smoke!
@@bajamedic you think the fire started on an asphalt shingle roof? Highly unlikely. It started out as an interior fire somewhere. So yes sprinklers would have worked/helped, if you think otherwise then you’d be wrong.
Less firefighters and more a function of GOV. It ain't their shit bro. And its fun watching water pressure obliterate the root. The meander that's really impressive?? COPS. Staging away from people in DESPERATE NEED of help ... whom the gov sees fit to disarm? While they discuss their response and wait for specialists.
The current owners had paid 2.6 million for this house. First thing they should have done is remove the roof and install a fire-proof roof using tongue-and-groove planking inside coated with fire-retardant emulsion paint. Then screw another layer of T&G transverse with glue in between the layers, and outside painted with fire-retardant. Now you have a roof structure with no air passages and no flame path, all coated in fire-retardant. That old roof was lathe-strip with wood shingles, a recipe for fast flame spread. Now, install a dry standpipe outside and dry sprinklers inside under that roof, all the volunteers have to do is hook up a line to the standpipe and the water will extinguish from the inside. One fire-truck even with only 500 gal. would put it out, at least on the inside. Really, not that expensive to do, since you already blew 2.6 million buying the place
I think the first thing they should've done is have the fireplaces and chimneys inspected. The next would be to have installed a residential fire sprinkler system and an auto fire detector to auto call the fire department.
If I could give a bit of friendly advice, try to stay in one spot longer before you move around. This was a bit exhausting to constantly watch laps around the house
On the other hand, so many fire videos are shot from only one perspective and the viewer never gets to see the "C" side, and sometimes not even the "B" side or the "D" side. I see no problem with doing laps around the house as long as the videographer does not try to walk and film at the same time.
That does not look like what I would call a mansion, why not pull an egine in their and hit with a deck gun??? By the time you got those tower ladders set up it is already gone
Because doing such wouldn't have mattered one bit There was fire visible on the interior of both floors right from the start With the visible fire load the towers were the best option
would've saved more time if they had an easy to access driveway, but no... gotta have a skinny little winding driveway making it 3x more difficult to get equipment in....
I'd suggest hand lines for the first attack, while setting up the tower ladders. How far was the nearest hydrant? Wood siding and roof shingles provide an ideal fuel source. Did the fire marshal determine a cause?
@@virgilhilts3924, Effort for what? They weren't doing anything. First truck came in, backed out, then went back in backwards for some stupid reason, just so they could then... do nothing. But since it is a waste of effort, we shouldn't even bother being firefighters and put some of this perfectly ready and useful water on this flame while we wait for that much needed water from the fire hydrant. If only we had some water to use while we waited to get our much needed water. I'm starting to think you don't know shit about being a firefighter and are just some contrarian that likes to mouth off. No firefighter that is worth their stripes would unironically say that "doing our job as firefighters even if it appears futile is a waste of time." One of the most basic but essential rules of firefighting, get water on that fire ASAP. They put water on it in the end, why would it be a waste of effort if they put their reserve water on it before they got the hydrant set up? Clearly you don't know what you are talking about.
@@williamedwards1528 you can hit the roof with hand lines from the ground, this isn't a high rise fire. Plus there was fire on the second level of the house, firemen put out 2 story houses with hand lines everyday of the week.
@@RoofMonkey911 agreed but during the time to set up those master streams, someone could’ve pulled a 2.5 and got water in the fire in under a min. It’s not rocket science here.. put the wet stuff on the red stuff.
Was this house another one of those houses made up of engineered lumber/OSB? If so, chalk up another reason why that stuff needs much more fireproofing (and/or more sprinklers in homes too). That this is still a problem is ridiculous given how much of a danger it puts homeowners AND firefighters in with how hot/fast this stuff burns (not to mention the impact on other nearby structures with the radiant heat it puts off when it burns).
@@chechnya Irrespective of if common, rare, or somewhere in between, the construction absolutely still matters, and has a big impact on things like how much time one has to escape, firefighter safety, how fast or slow it spreads, and the risk to other buildings near by.
Nothing at all wrong with their pace ~5 minutes to place, set up, elevate, and flowing via an LDH is quite respectable The roof and attic were blazing and there was fire visible on the interior of both floors upon arrival The place was a loss before they even arrived
A mansion of that immense value in that neighborhood without a fire surpression system or alert or other devices, wow? Hmmm.... Firemen, great job trying to contain the fire! 👍 ❤
question, If those poor people who lost there entire home wasn't on fire, would you still walk all over there property filming? or does a tragedy make it okay
i'm not a biologist, but I know what a women is.... same here... you don't need a fire science degree to look at this and go WTF was going on here.... just saying... :)
Your comment proves beyond any doubt that you have never even worked a day as a firefighter. Even a first year firefighter would have noticed that this was clearly a defensive operation upon arrival given the massive fire load, that the roof had already collapsed into the second floor, and that the second floor was starting to collapse into the first.
@@IncredulousIndividual Absolutely, just wear a plain white/black polo and carry some form of professional item be it a camera or clipboard and you can walk anywhere
I hope no one was hurt from this fire. I know it yes but a home can be replaced but not life. I will say a prayer for the owners of this home. God Bless.
Don’t get water on that thing too quick. You might put it out.
Isn't it amazing what happens when you actually apply water to a fire, who knew ?
@@billbixler8630 lol I know. And honestly, I respect the shit out of these guys and girls, I really do. Sometimes, like once in a blue moon, I just wonder what’s going on. But again, they do a job as volunteers a lot of them, that I appreciate the hell out of them for doing! But get water on that thing boys!! 😂😂😂😂
@@billbixler8630 All that matters is that they save the basement.
Driver sure took his time. They need to practice more. It was more than five minutes after truck pulls up until first water was on fire. Not good fellas.
They need to access the fire. My home caught fire. The process was amazing. And, it is amazing the intensity of the heat.
As a firefighter. This is horrendous to watch. It took them over five minutes to get water on the fire. It should only take about 60 to 90 seconds. Don’t worry about proper apparatus placement, stretch a line and get water to the seat of the fire.
absolutely
Agree
I'll agree with you
Nunca em minha vida, vi tanta incompetência! Pensei que era um filme de comédia. Só tem patetas ali!!
Bro as a firefighter you should know this is a total loss. No urgency.
I'm a station chief at a massively underfunded volunteer department and can tell you that if my guys who make $3 a call ever moved with that little purpose I'd be losing my mind. I don't care if it was a writeoff or not. That was a joke. To see these clearly well funded departments action so painfully slowly kills me. Kudos to the ladder op though. He knows what he is doing.
Thank you for your service. It drives me insane when I see videos of departments will million dollar trucks performing poorly and everyone in the comments are complaining about volunteers. It just baffles me.
Hey Chief sorry to hear about your underfunded department, hope it changes. Yes they are moving slow but when I looked it more closely I can see they had no water source. My tower runs out of water in about 25 seconds using the aerial and 2 mins using the hand lines. That got me thinking that we don't see the guys on the road securing a water source and they may have run into a challenge. Yes he was great moving the nozzle and knocking down some fire. Guy on the ladder as it was moving was a lesson in darwinism though.
You clearly aren't a firefighter of any sort let alone a "chief".
@@virgilhilts3924 Get back under your bridge troll.
Very slow getting water on fire, hand lines should have been stretched to the rear of the building. Poorly attacked.
Volunteers is NO excuse. Our town is volunteers only and they get water on the flames under 1 minute. They work much different: On arrival they are fully geared up. Water is onboard, on call if needed. Each have been assigned tasks, are fully briefed and informed prior to arrival.
You have literally no clue what you are babbling about
The house was a loss when they arrived. No wind, no risk of spreading….. what you worried about out ?
My friend and I had been out canoeing all day and therefore no-one could get in touch with us. At the end of the day I drove her home. When we turned down her road it was full of firengines and police that were just finnishing putting out the fire. There was a few timbers left of her house, nothing else. It was just the most devastating sight that I will never forget. All she had left was her canoe and the clothes she was wearing.
Do they know what caused it? Ugh that’s awful! Poor family😢
It looked like there was a pet sign by one of the doors....were they with you/safe?
@@tanyaperrin1218 I don't think she's talking about the fire in this video.
I pretty sure they saved the foundation of the house.
We have local volunteer fire departments in my area, and the less than stellar departments are referred to as "The Cellar Savers."
Yeah, and water too!
😅
Free public pool
WATER please, sometime before Christmas!
So let me get this straight, you brought in 2 ladders a squint? Jack around positioning them instead of bringing in pumpers first droppong lines and getting water on the fire? Who ever was in command needs to be fired.
It's a good thing you aren't an actual firefighter or you would be getting fired for uneducated reasoning like that.
Given the roof fire load as well as fire on both floors, the aerials were the best tool
Especially since the only unit with a pump was busy grabbing the hydrant when the towers arrived
I guess in your world the aerials should have just waited on the street until they were finished with the hydrant and laid in a line blocking the driveway along with the front of the structure.... BRILLIANT!
@VIRGIL HILTS I am an actual firefighter and seen fires bigger then this knocked down with 2 1/2 quicker then this. Secondly, no one said anything about not using them and last thing you said they had pumpers on hydrants lol our protocols are pumpers in first drop lines attack fire not pumpers sit wait for them to take an eternity to back in set up while in the mean time the house went fully engulfed
@@mikegunner6686 its easy to be critical from the internet. We dont know wether the engine was on scene or not (considering if they were, they would be in place of one of the trucks). youre basing you opinion on a 13 min video yet theres many other variables to consider.
I'm always amazed at how slow and methodical firefighters are. I would feel like I would be in more of a hurry to get water on the fire. Of course, I this case it was a total loss before the even arrived.
Maybe you should go join a fire department and try to speak then.
Agreed. 13m video. First 5 minutes of figuring out how/where to park the truck. At 9th minute finally a 2nd stream of water. How about show up and start throwing water boys? And for 13m some dude with video. Put down the camera and grab a hose. Not impressed.
LOL. Exactly. “Lemme just get this truck backed in here…oh….wait a minute I’m gonna move it forward a bit.”
@@hieronymusbosch6255yeah you try driving a big ass firetruck in a small driveway like that and position the ladder correctly. you people critiquing the professionals 💀
@@jdhrapyou try doing it then instead of whining in the comments
I saw another video where a different crew did this really weird thing - they pulled right up and parked, pulled out hose, and started spraying water on the place before they even had a chance to walk around with a radio or a phone!
Thanks for confirming that you know nothing about firefighting or what is going on in this case.
(cue the phony pedigree in 3... 2... 1...)
Truly bizarre. I wonder if that made a differentce to the damage?
Depending on what alarm it is they will fight befor anything else
What's so strange about that?
Sarcasm. That's what they should do.
Was this training for ladder tower use? No hand lines? No pumpers for initial attack?
Troll elsewhere.
@@RLTtizME Great comeback.😂😂
@@Michael-is1zy Thanks. You’re a dick btw.
I was going to ask the same question.
@@9caplad Like Uncle Buck...your hat angers people.
Still one of the worst feelings in the world, watching your house go up in flames and everything inside goes too. Been there done that.
he have already enohg Money.belive me,HE dont care if your Home burns down.he dont care,
Our family home burned up in 1990. Lost everything as we watched and could do nothing. Yes, a horrible experience that I don't wish upon anyone!
@@BreakerOneNine07 Sucks doesn't it? What made my home fire even more suckier to deal with is my home caught fire and burned on Memorial Day 1985 and the closest fire company was in the holiday parade on the other side of town so it took a different fire company that much longer to get there. My neighbors broke thru 2 basement windows with 2 garden hoses to try and protect the oil barrel from the fire until they were too overcome by smoke to continue. We all escaped but my hamster died of smoke inhalation. I remember the fireman trying to get it air using a straw and gently puffing air into her. You're right, rich or poor, I wouldn't wish that on anybody. Such a gut punch to watch.
ME TOO AND IM A FIREMAN
Been there as long as my family was OK nothing else mattered!
I'm a volunteer firefighter also, but I have to wonder why the second arriving (or third) didn't tag and lay in. A hand line or 2 would've put a knock on the fire while they got their stick in place. Still got love for the volunteers on the first arriving tho. Stay safe, y'all!
I agree. Looked like 3rd due laid in but why 2nd didnt is beyond me.
Clearly you need more experience
Laying supply lines can block access for other apparatus and that was a very narrow driveway easy to block. With the size of the structure and amount of fire it was smart to bring in the trucks then hand-jack the supply lines. Big fire needs big water and aerial master streams will deliver the largest amount. This definitely appears to be a defensive operation on arrival and possibly transitioning, but that doesn’t look possible as the video progresses. It’s hard to say or criticize when you have one camera and no other reference.
As far as running hand lines, when you are water challenged, you make every gallon count. Hand lines would have had little to no effect so why waste limited resources on something that would not have helped the outcome? This, unfortunately, was a loss on arrival. 😢
This is. Paid department
@@russtompkins943
Nope, it is volunteer
I feel so sorry for the owners to lose such a beautiful home! 😢
I have to guess that the owners begged the department to allow it to burn for insurance reasons.
No other possible rationale would explain how long it took to apply ANY water!!!
Maybe the once wealthy owner was in financial trouble
I’m in insurance By the time the video started the house was already a total loss. Sometimes really nice houses do burn. They are so lightly built they can go up in no time
Do people actually get away with that though? (The ones who do it intentionally).
The more of these fire videos I watch I think the common theme among fire depts is how slow and ineffective they are. Essentially foundation saving specialists lol
Its painful to see. However not all departments are like this.
Well why don't you become a firefighter and try to change things if you think that's the way it is. You got to remember a bunch of these films you're seeing are volunteer departments and not knocking volunteer departments you've got to remember a lot of departments you got to leave your house or work go to leave your house or work go to the station and get the truck inmate the rest of the firefighters at the scene that takes quite a bit of time
Volunteers
@@showmewar3496 no this is just how american firefighters are. slow and ineffective
@yeoldeseawitch that's the biggest clown statement I ever heard. American career firefighters are the only ones that still do aggressive interior attacks. And career are on scene within 2-5 minutes dumbfuck
4 million in equipment on scene, but no one using it until it was far too late.
Says the 🤡 who clearly hasn't a clue what he's talking about
It was too far gone at arrival
@@fjb3544 Yeah i think that too. When fire is burning like that at the top, everything is gone at bottom.
It might have been saved a little bit but tok their time getting set up to fight the fire
It's the US, they're very incompetent to fight fires, there's several videos, they always need 7mns to get setup
There's a video of Canadians firefighters taking out a fire in one minute 30, 10 seconds deployment
Canada, Australia, France have way better firefighters than the US
That was a huge fire. Hope no one was hurt. Looked like a beautiful home.
Just noticed looked like they had a sign for deliveries etc saying there was a dog on premises. Hopefully it wasn't there at the time.
Looked
How about a C side 2 1/2 to fight the first floor fire while the truck is blowing all the shingles off the roof
You’ve gotta love volunteer departments! Beautiful equipment and apparatus, and no idea how to use either one. Congratulations on saving the basement!
You should be ashamed of yourself. I’ve never seen so many fire fighters walking around with no direction.
I understand defensive tactics. Hand lines? WTF?
The house was toast when they arrived Einstein. What were they going to do save a few more 2x4’s and some curtains? Lol
@user-br8fn3vi9y did you not see the volume of fire right from the start? What was an 1 3/4" or even a 2 1/2" handline going to do? Think before you speak. They were behind the proverbial 8 ball upon arrival
Im not a firefighter but i the upmost respect for the dangerous job you have to do. I don't think I could ever go into a burning building. Thank-you for what you do you are hero's
And they are volunteers!
I mean. They didn’t either.
Does it actually look like the ever put themselves in harms way?? 😂
1 pumper would've been better than 3 ladders, could've at least saved the 1st floor.
It's probably 3 Quints.
@@gillesrenaud6926 Quints are useless looks like, at nearly a million bucks a pop.
Your assertion is complete nonsense
@@gillesrenaud6926
They were not
First floor was already gone.
The place was pretty much gone upon the first trucks arrival but engines with deck guns getting in their would have helped control the fire to some degree until a water supply could be established and towers/ladder trucks deployed with master streams. Pretty wicked loss.
Caller, waited till the rafters fell onto the 2nd flooring.
It took forever to get the water supply. A deck gun is only going to work for about 1 1/2 to 2 minutes if you have 1000 gallons of water on your truck. I'm not sure that would have been enough. It sure took a long time to get water going.
nah deck guns would run you out of water long before you got a water supply. idk why or how they had 3 ladders and no engines but I assume they're quints and this capable of putting SOME water 9n to fire so idk why they didn't
@@whatusernameis5295 Judging by size im gonna guess they were just trucks not quints, but why they waited for 3rd due to lay in is beyond me. As for using a deck gun like the other guy said, putting an engine in there first would be great for a short while but a tower is what your gonna need for that in the long run and once an engine is in there, a tower isnt gonna make it.
@@whatusernameis5295 This raises the question of prefire planning and dispatch assignments in the given jurisdictions involved. I never would have expected 3 ladder trucks to be first, second, and third in.
Some kind of quick and even limited initial attack may have slowed the fire down.
Let’s get all the trucks just perfect and melt the lights, then put water on the fire… Definitely need more training for this dept.
Such a beautiful home and huge backyard! My kind of home, minus the flames of course. 😉.. Unfortunately fires happen to any home. Things are replaceable except family photos and family heirlooms. I’m just glad no one was hurt.
I am sorry for the citizens in these fire districts.
The citizens are the fire district and in East Norwich most of the citizens aren’t volunteer fireman, if you noticed Syosset FD provided mutual aid. The fire stations are not close to these homes and they are not manned so it takes a while to get trucks manned and rolling.
@@bruceburkett7670 how do you describe the lack of fire ground pace? The lack of water being flowed in a timely manner? I love that fire service is primarily volly but there is absolutely no excuse for how they operate on scene because they are then staffed.
Y’all always find a way to complain and whine about something. You think you know so much, how bout you go out and train to be a firefighter. I’m sure you would get the job done oh so much faster….
@@GoddessMe444 but I have trained for and I am a professional fireman. I can assure you that we would as a collective at minimum be reprimanded for lack of action on this incident.
@@GoddessMe444 this video came out 6 months ago, so way ahead of you have already been a firefighter for over 9 years. The response here was absolutely terrible, while they were waiting in the ladder truck, they already had 3 pumpers on scene that could of surrounded and drowned the fire.
What a shame. Terrible for someone to lose their house. They aren't going to be able to save anything of that. Prayers go out to the victims, and hopefully nobody was injured or lost their pets.
@@novdtI feel sorry for any victims of any tragedy. Just because someone has something that you don't doesn't mean you should not have compassion. I don't even think you even have the full understanding of the malice in your statement. There is too much hate in this world, and you are a perfect example.
@@novdt You sound like a typical lib. Jealous of someone who has what you don't. I've seen bigger houses. If they earned it, they deserve it and don't deserve their home to go up in flames. I don't care if it was 1500 sq ft, or 15,000.
Amen!
@@novdt I have personal items and collections of things that aren't replaceable, because they simply don't make them anymore, like my grandmother's china. Yes insurance will build back my house, and give me a certain amount to replace the contents, some contents are irreplaceable for any dollar amount though.
@@MD21037 Amen!
So it took like 5 minutes after arrival to flow any water? Not good.
The house was already a loss by the time they arrived, so no need for any haste.
@@BL-jt3qt then no need for any additional funding either. Why spend money on training and new toys if they're just gonna let it burn.
@@BL-jt3qt no haste. If you’re not going to put the fire out as soon as possible then don’t show up. Simple as that. Looks like a lot of lolly gagging going on when there’s lots to do, like putting water on the fire in the quickest means possible.
@@Bigbluehawk2 The house was a total loss before the FD got there. Letting it burn to the ground would make for a less costly cleanup operation.
@@CCWSig That is a pretty ridiculous responsefrom you when the house was quite obviously already beyond saving at the arrival of the FD.
Hope everyone got out ok. Would be interesting to know the cause. Don’t know why it took so long to get a hose working, at least 5 mins in to the video. Responders seemed more concerned with the truck parking than putting out the fire. So many of them just wondering around.
Without an adequate supply of water, that’s pretty much all the firemen can do is, walk around and assess things until water can be brought in.
I couldn’t tell if they even had a hydrant or had to truck it in.
@@geraldduncan5646 don’t American fire engines have water on board? They do in the UK. Two fire fighters will hose up from the unit and start tackling the fire while the other two will hook the unit up to a hydrant.
@Brian Ball. Yeah our fire trucks have on board tanks but with a fully involved house like this, the amount of water they have won’t do much. From my end it didn’t look like they had a hydrant to work with so they probably brought in a tanker to supply water
@@seanfinnegan3590 the 3rd fire apparatus in laid in a line.
Nothing at all wrong with their pace
~5 minutes to place, set up, elevate, and flowing via an LDH is quite respectable
The roof and attic were blazing and there was fire visible on the interior of both floors upon arrival
The place was a loss before they even arrived
That fire moved across that roof fast, hopefully there were no injuries to anyone related to this incident.
Thank you to all firefighters everywhere for protecting the citizens of your coverage area.
STFU ... that fire moved fast because this fire department moved slow!
@@SupaNamiYour comment is rude and uncalled for troll
@@Utahjazz416 don't mean it's wrong tho. They did move slow, like a turtle
It moved fast because it's a wooden shake roof. Most fire-prone roof you can own
Guess he should have gone with a slate roof.
Always surprised how long it takes to get water on the fire. Reminds me to check and make sure my fire extinguishers are charged and in working order lol.
My house burned down. I live in a poor area. I was outside screaming and the trucks, cops, ems etc where there within minutes putting water on. Even at 2am
@@Audioobscure you have an outstanding emergency response team in your area. I've been on scene at 3 motorcycle accidents this year. The fastest response time was in the city, 14 minutes. Longest was 45. That was quite a ways out of town though.
A good respirator mask with them helps
Buy your comment you have no idea what you're talking about
The only good thing about this fire was no injuries or loss of life. My heart goes out to this family. I hope they will be able to build again soon.
Would like to have seen faster water on it
Would it have made much difference?
~5 minutes to position and set up a tower with flowing a master stream via LDH is actually quite respectable
@@williamedwards1528
Nope, not one bit
Given the fuel load, landlines would have been a waste of effort given the master stream option
@@JB91710
Says the sad bitter phony who has never even held a cross-lay let alone worked a fire
Like on your brain. Nobody asked you.
Slow to attack the fire.. I’ve seen faster and more efficient deployments.
Says the boo boo who's never worked a fire in his life
@@virgilhilts3924 You know the S@#%. Skills of American Firefighters are on level of third world.
I thought the same thing...1st cannon was up and running in 4-5 minutes, second never got going for 12 minutes and all the guys on deck with hoses didnt start squirting til the very end. Looked more like a controlled burn !!
Best equipment but too much slower. In other countries not the best equipment but fast enough to react 😂
here in the u.k. we usualy have water going before the fire tender is parked all i see here is firemen running around shouting and taking photos
Its worse with the wild fires we have.... there is no doubt they let them burn... probably so they can blame it on climate change.... very often the fires are set by climate cultists starting the ' wild fires" .
Oh.... this breaks my heart... what a beautiful home.......
Could They Have Gone any Slower. Geez.
It amazes me how fast that house burned. So much for making houses safer from fires. Of course all wood siding does not help either.
Less safe, more flammable materials used in the name of cutting costs and turning a profit.
Let's stop and hope everyone is doing ok the paramedics and firemen deserve a lot of credit your service and time and efforts are deeply appreciated great job great catches as usual way to go keep them safe out there you guys rock thanks ! Joe
Wake up Joe! They did a crappy job! Water on fire very late!
Hand line in service very late!
Number of hand lines very low!
Exclusively straight stream from towers.
Firefighters wondering around holding hand tools with no direction. Tools in hand are for interior firefighting, yet the only attack ever made was from the exterior. When they finally made entry at 8:11 they did not bring a hose line with them😱
But maybe I have it all wrong, good shit might have been taking place , but the camera person just missed recording it!
I wouldn't want this job.
Don't rush, I'm sure it will still be alight when your set up
Hell of a job saving the....... never mind
Saving the foundation
You can't save what was already lost before you arrived.
Patio furniture
There wasn’t no saving shit and you know that, or I assume you don’t, stay in your gamer chair kid
Family must not be liked by local people 😊
Cedar shingles the burn like crazy
The old saying they don’t make them like they used to, thank goodness. It’s not as attractive on a custom home but James Hardie siding is at least fire resistant and sprinklers in the house do help a lot.
Very poor fire attack. Absolutely no need to hit the roof which had no fire. Just created a hazard for the rest of the crew! 3 ladder trucks arrived before an engine. I give this department a. D-
I bought a new build 5 years ago, and that's the siding it has, I like it. If my neighbor's house burns at least I won't see vinyl melting and dripping off of mine.
What a beautiful old home gone!!😢
In my firefighters school we used to use these videos to teach what not to do in an fire emergency. Thanks to all of you to show us the meaning of speed, training and how to keep our properties and lives save. Lol
I guess they didn’t want to get their hand lines dirty 🤷. And yeah, you don’t want to be inside a structure when an aerial master stream is hitting it.
And oh yeah….stop being a dick.
I heard somewhere that water puts out fires
Those big firetrucks are very helpfull. By the time the truck is in place the building is lost xD
I wonder why they let it burn for a period of time before they start putting water on it? It seems once they do so it goes out fairly quickly? After read in comments, I now know location of water source, but wouldn't these areas have tanker trucks available?
After watching a number of these house-fire and fire dept response videos, homeowners really need to be prepared to fight the fire themselves for the first 20 minutes after fire discovery and 911 call, otherwise the fire will have spread to the whole house by the time the fire dept gets adequate water on it. Because of these videos, I've added fire hoses or extinguishers on all levels of my house, and am shopping for a homeowner-grade self-contained breathing apparatus (SCBA) that will give me 20 minutes of air in working conditions.
Also, I am thinking that it would be a good idea to organize a firefighting plan with the neighbors so everyone knows where the exterior hoses are on all houses, and so neighbors with a first response plan will know what to do in the event of any house-fire on the block.
I don't understand the lack of fire dept urgency I typically see in these videos while the structure is unnecessarily destroyed. I've never been a firefighter, but I have been on teams of men in dangerous and urgent situations, and we always moved fast, not casually.
East Norwich FD's motto: "We always save the foundation"
Very bad intial attack. No water supply. As far as I can see, you have no engine on scene but, 2 platforms that had no water supply. This is getting to be an issue everywhere. Improperly dispatched. This 46 years of paid and volunteer fire fighting talking to you. I'm kind of glad I'm going into retirement. I don't like what see anymore.
I mean, in support of eating the rich, I'm not too torn up at how long it took to get water on it.
@@Shadowwand yea but as firefighting goes, it is still saving lives and helping to save a person's home. But as you see this here, this is an issues that is running rampant within the fire fighting 'industry' as a whole. I began being a firefighter in the mid 1970's. What I have seen it grow into today, is less than successful. Mistakes, mismanagement, free lancing, not listening, wanna be's who get others hurt. I have been asked to teach at my alma mater of Texas A & M TEEX. I'm a retired battalion chief what started out as a lowly green horn in the 1970's. It disturbs me to see men in school, in class, and watching their cell phone as opposed to being involved in the class. And nearly the same on an active fire ground. Watching a chief or battalion chief reprimand a firefighter for using his personal phone while on an active fire ground and not responding to commands from officers. That blew me away. I have never considered a mistake to happen at an active fire scene. But, when I watch a command officer have reprimand a firefighter (or firefighters) for not listening to or not responding to a command because the fireighter(s) was/were involved sending videos and photos of a fire scene on his personal phone to TH-cam, SnapChat, Instagram. While on an active fire ground. That is the immaturity the firefighting profession is getting today. Seeing mistakes like you see here are putting others, not just the firefighters, in a very unsafe position. Trying to teach what use to something that was required. Dispatching an engine that arrives on scene and the engine setting up a water supply As one of their first requirements. Yet I see time and time again, engines rolling into a working structure scene without ever setting up supply water. Provided you have a hydrant you can set up a supply with. It just upsets me to see what you see here and then wondering what or how the ISO rates such things.
@@normanrickleyjr7178
"Very bad intial attack. No water supply"
-There was a hydrant ~300 feet from the driveway and it was clearly in use
"you have no engine on scene"
-There was clearly an Engine at the hydrant before the trucks were even set up
"2 platforms that had no water supply"
-Again the trucks were clearly supplied by LDH
"Improperly dispatched"
-How so...?
"This 46 years of paid and volunteer fire fighting talking to you"
-Your words PROVE otherwise
Know where this was - and to Think I am watching it go up - use to in Norwich all the as I was growing up some 65 - 70 yrs ago - my Uncle was one of founding fathers of the Norwich Rescue Squad - have been in Fire/EMS for over 50 yrs - THANKS to ALL the Volunteers 🙋♂️ 👍 😀
A fireman once told me that when the fire gets in the attic insulation it can go up in 5-7 minutes. Fighting a fire in a rural setting with limited water access is difficult. Not the same as city fire fighting.
Limited water and limited people, hard to get a rest break.
Attic insulation is supposed to be non flammable by building codes, but I assure you when attics get to burning you have to find the attic interior access and get water on the fire in a hurry to prevent burning the roof off. If the house is well involved with fire then you need truck companies to open the roof to let some heat out to be able to get to the fire in an attic, but few departments are trained to do this as regular practice and getting on a hot roof can get firefighters killed. I felt like strangling my crews a few times but no way I allow them to really get hurt.
@@scootertrash911 that may be true today, I will check what you say with our local fire department. Back in 1970, a fireman told me this when our neighbors house caught fire.
@@scootertrash911 not sure what department you are with but venting the roof is a common operation. And as far as you saying insulation doesn't burn is false information. Insulation will burn at 375 degrees any house fire is well above 375 degrees.
@@user-peach408 he is 100% wrong as I explained to him that insulation will burn at 375 degrees. And roof venting is a normal operation.
So did they have to wait for the water company to install a hydrant before they could get water???
Are you a fireman? If not, STFU.
Looks like regular shingles, but due to the house style it wasn’t wood shingles was it? Burning like it’s the cape cod wood shingles. Blowing off with the cannon like wood or is that the framing?
Now Im just asking,,But how long does it take to get some hoses out to start putting out the fire??
~5 minutes to stage, set up, elevate, and pump to a tower via 2x LDH is a quite respectable time
But thanks for showing your complete ignorance on the subject
Is it just me, or wasn't I taught to direct the water/retardant at the base of the fire so that the oxygen supply was reduced? Wouldn't it have been better to direct the water through the windows into the enclosed places so that the steam formed would cool and smother the flames instead of spraying the water onto the surface where it would quickly boil off into the atmosphere? It seems putting water, that would form steam, into the rooms before the roof was completely burned off, would have been more efficient and effective.
Fire was largely in the upper story, and the roof (and probably a lot of the floors) where pretty much gone, the water would go down through the structure anyway. I think their main idea was to get that heat down.
yeah I was about to say I had a cousin that used to work in the fire department as a firefighter but then he moved up to be a fire marshal. so he now does fire code inspections and so forth. he told me that at his fire department they were taught to just aiming at the fire cuz the water's going to go down to the base of the fire anyways. and fire hydrants have to put out a certain amount of water or else they get disabled by the city or municipality who's responsible for the hydrants. they're supposed to put out enough to flood a house instantly like literally wash out the whole house. just giving idea in my area. it's a 500 gallon per minute system and then on the main road up the road from my house out of the neighborhood on the main road. they have a 1000 gallons per minute system. they only have 1,000 gallons system because businesses are on there and you have to have higher water volume for businesses if a business is on fire commercial buildings are bigger and require more water to put out the fire .
but yes .
I was taught to that to you aim at the base of the fire.
They had not gotten the all clear for occupancy in the house. Once the roof is fully involved you start knocking that fire down first.
@@USMC1984 yeah what you said
Did you not see the house literally engulfed in flames?
Anyone else concerned about the beware of dog(s) signage? I sure hope all pets got out. How sad.
🙋♀️ that’s what I want to know
with this signs I would be concerned for the fireman
Took a long time for those hand lines to get put into operation
Join an FD and show them how it's done
I wonder how much the new paint job on Tower 516 was, because the drivers rear side of it was smoking pretty good just before they started applying water (8:28 mark)!
Everyone is complaing about the timing. The house was already destroyed, there was not much can be done to save the house and no one inside so no medical emergency. And no next door house that can burned down. By the looks of it the house is way out in the middle of nowhere and about 20 minutes from the nearest firehouse.
IT took them over 5 minutes after arriving to get any water onto the fire WHY?
Your answer is in joining an FD
As an aussie i'm amazed such vulnerable structures exist. Or such slow fire fighters. That was a beautiful house though. Hope the owners recover well from that loss.
Please explain why you think they were "slow"...
@virgilhilts3924 mostly because I've seen many videos where they get water on within 1 or 2 minutes, and run, not stroll. Not saying they did a bad job, just could be better imho.
@@G-force_Motorsport
They could have had water on this inside of 1-2 minutes with a cross-lay... which wouldn't have done squat to the fire, been a waste of water, and blocked the driveway for the best tool on a job like this... an elevated master stream.
They correctly assessed the entire situation (elevated structure, advanced fire on three floors, collapsing roof, high fire load) and chose the best plan (operate defensively with elevated master streams).
Further, running around on a fire ground is idiotic, pointless, and dangerous. Many departments actually forbid doing such for those very reasons.
@@virgilhilts3924 Ok, you do know more about it than me (and I mean that respectfully ;) But, other crews absolutely do move faster.
Umm...That house was a loss long before they got there. Running around like idiots would have done absolutely nothing.
Whatever happened to firefighters rushing to the scene ??? These guys were in no hurry whatsoever 😢
No they weren't and that's sad
You wanna know the honest answer to that question? It might sound unpleasant but you deserve the truth. The answer is multifaceted and includes all of the following: 1). Modern day Western employment policies that include unions, equal opportunity (EO), equal employment opportunity (EEO), diversity, gender integration, affirmative action, sexual harassment and related clap trap and so on and so forth; 2). the combined effects of the litigious nature of the populace and fear of litigation and bureaucratic accountability by employees and supervisors; 3). Societal risk aversion in general; 4). the tendency for all organizations and western institutions and professions to gravitate toward centralization versus decentralized command and control; 5). fear of media exposure by all in charge of everything; 6). the de-masculinization of society; 7). poor urban and rural planning leading to population density exceeding emergency assets and water resources; and 8). modern day construction with high reliance upon plastics and other flame feeding ingredients. All these things lead to this type of response. Let her burn. Avoid the lawsuit. Make sure they got batteries in their smoke alarms via social media. Not all responses nor all units are the same of course but you get my drift. Signed: gramps was a fire chief and grew up at the fire house then served in the military for a few decades.......
@@deidrabrey4043 Well hell, i wasn’t depressed before but now???😂
@@deidrabrey4043This has literally nothing to do with problem here. You have no idea what you are talking about.
@@seanb7310 It has everything to do with the problem here. I do know what I'm talking about. Fire departments, police departments, military units, construction companies, you name it. These progressive policies and other globalist economic changes have affected our society in ways that are not apparent to those who fail to see it.
I like how they placed the tower trucks, mostly looks like they did what they could in this setting. I always said if you are in an area that lacks water a tanker should go beside every water tower ! Just think if both ladders had 3500 gallons each what a difference it would make on such fires at the start ?
@littlehuey5679
It was an area with hydrants just a few hundred feet away. Which is why the aerials were placed priority as this was clearly going to be a high fuel load defensive fire needing lots of GPM.
That's not a mansion. Largish house, yes. But no mansion. I hope the family is safe.
Not that it matters, but "a mansion is a home that offers at least 5,000 square feet of space and at least five to six bedrooms." This house: per Zillow. 2.6 million dollar house. 5k square feet. 5 bedrooms, 4.5 bathrooms, last sold in 2009.
It was a beautiful home.
Why did it look like it burned from the outside in?
Wood shake shingles. Looks quaint as heck, burns like hell. Most cities outlaw them.
Looks like an attic fire to me that spread to the 2nd and 1st floors
@@Mark-em5zm was a chimney malfunction
I've never seen three ladders get on scene before the first pumper. Wild.
Such a nice property.
My god they took ages to even get some water on that fire way to slow.
You have no idea what it takes to just get to spraying water.
With this much fire, you need to make sure you have an established water supply before starting the attack on the fire
As a firefighter myself, you’re absolutely correct. It would’ve made sense that the 2nd or 3rd do could lay from a hydrant on the way in. Of course, situation dictates and there’s a few reasons this might not be possible or practical. In general however, you are correct, there wasn’t much of a sense of urgency.
When I was in 2nd grade, a girl in my class lost their house from a fire cause her little brother was playing with matches. Which is very dangerous and how many people lose their homes like that.
I found out it was not too far away from where my family and I were living, cause on the night it happened, my dad said he could smell something burning and he thought it was something in the house.
I couldn't smell anything, and neither could my mom or my brother.
But my dad said he could smell it very clearly.
We never figured out what it was until the next day.
We got a visit from a neighbor that a house nearby burned down and it was the house of the girl in my class.
My dad apologized for the way he acted cause he literally scared us.
Some time went by and the girl and her family got a new place to live, but she wasn't the same as she was before.
Somehow she started behaving strangely and not speaking much and not letting anybody talk to her, including teachers.
I don't know what happened afterwards but hopefully her
Careless little brother learned his lesson.
Kids, do not play with matches, lighters or anything that starts fire.
It's very dangerous and you could burn yourself or others, even your home.
So let's be careful out there.
A good teaching fire here. Safety is key, this structure is written off and proper line and apparatus placement is a priority. Water will get there when it gets there. Good job!!!
Hmm, I don't think so.
@@OvalNowhere That roof is burned through and partially collapsed. Proper placement is key to protect members from imminent collapse by establishing a collapse zone. There is no exposure or lives at risk or saveable there. The focus is on putting it out as safely as possible.
@@OvalNowhere
I don't think you have a clue
The biggest problem for firemen in the U.S. must be that most houses are wood structures so once a fire starts there is not much they can do to contain it. This must be very frustrating because a house fire is one of the most terrible things that can happen to people.
The majority of residential structure fires rarely involve the structure itself, the fuel load is primarily the contents
~80% of US residential fires are contained to the room of origin
And ~80% of fires that escape the room of origin are contained to one adjacent space
@Investigation Committee
I see you are still bitter that you were rejected by every fire department you applied to 🤣
@Investigation Committee What I have also noticed is that in the U.S. firemen seem to be invulnerable to smoke and other dangerous stuff. Some have airbottles on their backs but nobody seems put their masks on reagrdless of how heavy the smoke is
Here in Europe it is mandatory to use masks when getting too close to smoke!
@Investigation Committee
You've never stretched a line in your life
Prove me wrong...
@Investigation Committee
"you have no idea"
-I know for a FACT... because your words speak for themselves
Hope The Pets Made It!
If you can afford a house that size, you can afford to sprinkle it.
Sprinklers would have helped on the shingle roof? Looks like an exterior fire.
@@bajamedic you think the fire started on an asphalt shingle roof? Highly unlikely. It started out as an interior fire somewhere. So yes sprinklers would have worked/helped, if you think otherwise then you’d be wrong.
I always thought it’d be hard to be a fire fighter…but all my years of walking around slowly have me better prepared than I expected.
Less firefighters and more a function of GOV. It ain't their shit bro. And its fun watching water pressure obliterate the root. The meander that's really impressive?? COPS. Staging away from people in DESPERATE NEED of help ... whom the gov sees fit to disarm? While they discuss their response and wait for specialists.
Truly, truly sorry for such a devastating loss.
continued prayers for owners.
Prayers are gonna help the owners in what way? Answer is simple, not gonna help at all!
at 7:30 was that a hose hitting the top of the roof or was that like a small increase/explosion from the door being opened and more oxygen coming in?
Water. Air was feeding the flames from the roof and 2nd story before the first unit arrived.
The current owners had paid 2.6 million for this house. First thing they should have done is remove the roof and install a fire-proof roof using tongue-and-groove planking inside coated with fire-retardant emulsion paint. Then screw another layer of T&G transverse with glue in between the layers, and outside painted with fire-retardant. Now you have a roof structure with no air passages and no flame path, all coated in fire-retardant. That old roof was lathe-strip with wood shingles, a recipe for fast flame spread. Now, install a dry standpipe outside and dry sprinklers inside under that roof, all the volunteers have to do is hook up a line to the standpipe and the water will extinguish from the inside. One fire-truck even with only 500 gal. would put it out, at least on the inside. Really, not that expensive to do, since you already blew 2.6 million buying the place
This is the smartest comment I’ve read!
I think the first thing they should've done is have the fireplaces and chimneys inspected. The next would be to have installed a residential fire sprinkler system and an auto fire detector to auto call the fire department.
If I could give a bit of friendly advice, try to stay in one spot longer before you move around. This was a bit exhausting to constantly watch laps around the house
On the other hand, so many fire videos are shot from only one perspective and the viewer never gets to see the "C" side, and sometimes not even the "B" side or the "D" side. I see no problem with doing laps around the house as long as the videographer does not try to walk and film at the same time.
@@evanstauffer4470 I agree with that first part however there was a good amount of fast walking and filming here.
That does not look like what I would call a mansion, why not pull an egine in their and hit with a deck gun??? By the time you got those tower ladders set up it is already gone
It was already gone on arrival, at least from when the video started.
Because doing such wouldn't have mattered one bit
There was fire visible on the interior of both floors right from the start
With the visible fire load the towers were the best option
would've saved more time if they had an easy to access driveway, but no... gotta have a skinny little winding driveway making it 3x more difficult to get equipment in....
I'd suggest hand lines for the first attack, while setting up the tower ladders.
How far was the nearest hydrant?
Wood siding and roof shingles provide an ideal fuel source.
Did the fire marshal determine a cause?
I'd suggest you've never worked a fire in your life as hand lines would have been a waste of effort
@@virgilhilts3924, Effort for what? They weren't doing anything. First truck came in, backed out, then went back in backwards for some stupid reason, just so they could then... do nothing. But since it is a waste of effort, we shouldn't even bother being firefighters and put some of this perfectly ready and useful water on this flame while we wait for that much needed water from the fire hydrant. If only we had some water to use while we waited to get our much needed water. I'm starting to think you don't know shit about being a firefighter and are just some contrarian that likes to mouth off. No firefighter that is worth their stripes would unironically say that "doing our job as firefighters even if it appears futile is a waste of time." One of the most basic but essential rules of firefighting, get water on that fire ASAP. They put water on it in the end, why would it be a waste of effort if they put their reserve water on it before they got the hydrant set up? Clearly you don't know what you are talking about.
I would have liked to have seen hand lines used on the other 3 sides of the house.
Why...the fire is on the roof?
@@williamedwards1528 you can hit the roof with hand lines from the ground, this isn't a high rise fire. Plus there was fire on the second level of the house, firemen put out 2 story houses with hand lines everyday of the week.
Working smarter, not harder. Let the master streams do the brunt of the work, since the entire structure was a loss. Then hand lines to finish up.
@@RoofMonkey911 agreed but during the time to set up those master streams, someone could’ve pulled a 2.5 and got water in the fire in under a min. It’s not rocket science here.. put the wet stuff on the red stuff.
I was just thinking the same thing, I believe more of the house could have been saved
Was this house another one of those houses made up of engineered lumber/OSB? If so, chalk up another reason why that stuff needs much more fireproofing (and/or more sprinklers in homes too). That this is still a problem is ridiculous given how much of a danger it puts homeowners AND firefighters in with how hot/fast this stuff burns (not to mention the impact on other nearby structures with the radiant heat it puts off when it burns).
House fires are very rare
@@chechnya Irrespective of if common, rare, or somewhere in between, the construction absolutely still matters, and has a big impact on things like how much time one has to escape, firefighter safety, how fast or slow it spreads, and the risk to other buildings near by.
@@DanknDerpyGamerdo have to agree with you on this.
Strangest structure burn I've ever seen.
FIREPLACE EMBER LANDED ON THE ROOF
@@spo307 that makes sense. Thank you.
@@spo307 oh no, really?? That’s how this started?! Ugh.
@@TheStabbyMedic so i was told
What kind of camera are you filming with
Amazing how fire can do so much destruction in just a matter of 5 minutes. That water cannon aint no joke though !!
Feel terrible for the kid out front watching it burn. Total loss. As I’m writing I hear evacuation orders, collapse danger. 😢
@Hitogokochi why else would he be out there? It may not be just guessing, yes a very expensive home and a total loss
@Hitogokochi yes insured but think of all the things you own that cannot be replaced!
To me, this place didn't seem to be very well built......did the dog die?
they sure don't get in a hurry to put fire out,
Nothing at all wrong with their pace
~5 minutes to place, set up, elevate, and flowing via an LDH is quite respectable
The roof and attic were blazing and there was fire visible on the interior of both floors upon arrival
The place was a loss before they even arrived
A mansion of that immense value in that neighborhood without a fire surpression system or alert or other devices, wow? Hmmm....
Firemen, great job trying to contain the fire! 👍 ❤
Don't fires usually start on the lowercases and go up?
question, If those poor people who lost there entire home wasn't on fire, would you still walk all over there property filming? or does a tragedy make it okay
But you’re here watching
I’m just curious looking at some of the comments how many of you guys been trained in fire science?
I haven't but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
@@joed9491 lol
@@joed9491 Well shit! You sound qualified to me! 😂
Most of them have never even pulled a cross-lay let alone attended any professional school
i'm not a biologist, but I know what a women is.... same here... you don't need a fire science degree to look at this and go WTF was going on here.... just saying... :)
Beautiful house. Sorry this happened
As a professional firefighter (and instructor) of 35 years this is pathetic firefighting! Take your time getting water on the structure!
Your comment proves beyond any doubt that you have never even worked a day as a firefighter.
Even a first year firefighter would have noticed that this was clearly a defensive operation upon arrival given the massive fire load, that the roof had already collapsed into the second floor, and that the second floor was starting to collapse into the first.
by the time 13 seconds elapsed in this video , my first thought was " oh schit" ... that house is a goner
One stream of water on the fire?😮😮
How were you allowed to climb on the fire truck? Who do you know that allowed you to be in such close proximity? Great video!
I mean the fire guys are wandering around like retarded zombies - I don't think they know or care if you climb on the truck
@@gorak9000Until you have gotten off your couch and worked a fire like that you have no clue what’s going on… Monday morning arm chair couch!
Vollys probably know him. Or he's just brave. You can get away with doing pretty much anything if you look like you're supposed to be there.
@@gorak9000 its almost as if you're not a firefighter and know what to do, unlike the professionals. use your head before making stupid ass comments
@@IncredulousIndividual Absolutely, just wear a plain white/black polo and carry some form of professional item be it a camera or clipboard and you can walk anywhere
I hope no one was hurt from this fire. I know it yes but a home can be replaced but not life. I will say a prayer for the owners of this home. God Bless.