Then you are not getting the point of a maxi scooter. If I had to choose between them for just one day I would choose the X-ADV. If I had to choose to own one of them it would be the TMax.
i`m interested in taking the next step up after my Honda Forza NSS300. This video is one of the best (if the best)review of the T-Max in my opinion, thank you for that! It explained a lot of those questions what i had in mind.
We are still forgetting that these are Maxi SCOOTERS. And scooters are for practicality first. In this aspect, TMAX wins hands down with better under seat storage and more leg room. One can buy Bike if you need adventure.
I see the X-ADV more as a dual-sport or even touring motorcycle rather than a maxi scooter. test drove it a few weeks ago with a pillion and we were both impressed how smooth, yet punchy when necessary, and also how comfortable it is. Much more comfortable than the NC750, for the rider and especially the pillion.
Fine get a motorcycle but I love my Xadv. I love everything about it but it's so easy and fun to ride. I have ridden my Xadv on some really rough stuff, in fact it can go places the Africa Twin can't. It can because it's so stable with its low COG, there's little fear of dropping it. The NC doesn't appeal to me, it's just a cheap bike, but the Xadv is top of the line everything from the USD forks to the radial mounted calipers. The Xadv is all I need in a bike. It goes anywhere and does it with exceptional economy and fun. It'll tour the highways, rip up the trails, and commute around the city. The TMax does not appeal to me at all, it's the ugliest thing on 2 wheels.
The X-ADV actually has 3 levels of "Sport Mode" although probably not relevant in this comparison test, also, if off roading is your thing, you can get the optional footrest which are set at the back of the running boards, these would address your (correct) observation regarding being to close to the bars when standing, these are as far as I know are not an option for the TMAX, regarding storage, you are correct regarding the under seat storage, I couldn't fit my Arai Tour X in there with it's peak attached. Anyway, a great mini review 🙂
Visordown should stop doing scooter reviews. Everyone I've seen is snobby and condescending. They're always trying to evaluate them as motorcycles, which makes no sense. It's like taking a dump on a motorcycle for a lack of scooter-like underseat storage. If you're going to continue being so biased, why bother?
Fuel economy? Not sure if this was covered, but the honda can achieve over 60 mpg when used in the city. The T-max only around 40mpg this will add up over the years if using these bikes as commuters.
A city scooter is 125, come on! My Xmax 300 does cross country on motorways & B roads so Tmax is even better for motorways. Just the price of a car. Meh
It all depends on what you want ... I think Hondas new technology won't be as reliable as the old tec that's on the tmax. And just think how expansive it will be to replace something on the xadv. The tmax has some of the same parts as the old tmax and there's tons of aftermarket stuff aswell !!!! ...
There's an Austrian test driver, who used Honda's "new" technology of the DCT on an Africa Twin. He rode 475.000 km within the last 4 years. It is still working and in great shape, he says. Always taking care of the service intervals, of course.
No it isn't redundant because a transmission could vary the gears in steps, in that case it will be "discretely" variable or "step-wise" variable. In the case of the CVT, there are no steps, i.e. the variation in the gear ratio is infinitely seamless between the lowest gear ratio to the highest gear ratio.
@@buellterrier3596 CVT stands for Continuous Variable Transmission, no? So you don't find it funny saying countiously Countinously Variable Transmission?
@@lukoradulic5340 In that context, you are absolutely correct. I see your point now, thanks. The captions @1:04 should have had "CVT" in parenthesis to avoid confusion.
The Honda is definitely on my radar. Legroom was the best I have found so far on any maxi scooter. I ride with my feet on those slanted foot boards. My legs were stretched out very comfortably!
Blimey! 10 out of 10 for your video making style and "all you need and nothing more" approach. I ride a 2012 V-Strom 650 infrequently and PCX150 daily here in Japan. Although I adore the V-strom - and well serviced it will run for ever - I want a more comfortable option (I get pain in my left hand and wrist from clutch work when in traffic). The 2018 Suzuki Skywave 650, 2017 Yamaha Tmax DX and Kymco AK550 are on my wish-list. A Honda Integra or even CTX700 would have been but if I am not getting a motorcycle, I am not going to tolerate chain maintenance every 1,000 kilometres. I am almost sure I will get the Tmax, having just looked at one, but having had a Skywave (Burgman) 650 as a loaner (earlier model), I know how comfortable they are. Still, 1,350,000 Yen for a the Tmax DX (about 10,000 pounds), and 1,000,000 for the Skywave... what to do? The final consideration is road conditions and traffic - road speeds here are 1/3 lower than the U.K., and roads are narrower, so filtering ability is as important as almost all other considerations. Thanks for a very good review and comparison video. I'll be on the look-out for more of your videos (not that I`ll be buying most of what I see there).
In process of getting my first tmax 2019 Dx ice fluo. Second hand but excellent condition and low milage. I traded in my x max 400 and I think the t max will be it for a good few years. Decent power, storage and great looks. It's my 7 days a week vehicle so for me, the classic maxi scooter-isms are what wins out for me too rather than the x adv having more power, less storage and less weather protection.
Here's what I don't get. Why not just buy the NC750X? Same engine and transmission, same weight (ish), pretty much the same windscreen and amount of storage, more bike-like riding position and a lot cheaper!
Missed the point completely, you’ve reviewed the x adv as a maxi scooter when it isn’t, it’s a bike with some pro’s from the scooter world. If you want bike with ease and comfort that will mostly be used for commuting that you can go on a road trip on but don’t fancy the dull world of commuter bikes, it’s well worth a look at. It’s not a maxi scooter!
@@hermanstokbrood because it's a motorbike more then it's a scooter. I'm a x-adv owner, so I'm not neutral at all, but wouldn't ever trade it in for a t-max. 😉
xadv is real answer for all of us who wanna drive motorcycle but hate changing gears..I had versys 650.sold it bought xmax300, but Now I'm aiming to buy xadv
Same thing here. My Xmax has everything I could ever want, except for power and a bit more leg room. In the next few years I will search for something else. I would love to keep my Xmax but I only have storage for one bike.
I think a better comparison would have been the T-Max against a Honda Forza 750.. It's meant to be a maxi scooter where as the xAdv is a kind of crossover.
Riding offroad legally in the UK just doesnt work. That said the x-adv looks way better whatever the terrain. The one you are least likely to get mugged for is also something to consider.
You keep using the xadv off-road without the off-road pegs. You even mention that standing up your feet are too close to the bars! WTF? don’t you know they sell optional pegs or are you pretending you don’t?
Jim Davis yeah they do! built by rizoma and sold by honda as a power part. oh wait in some countries they cannot do that... but whatever you can buy them anyway! the point is: you can’t say it’s uncomfortable to ride standing if you don’t mount the pegs that you’re supposed to use to do so. you can complain they don’t come stock... i’d agree to that!
I'm in Japan and Honda does not offer the footpegs, which is too bad because I want a pair. I did get fancy floorboard rubbers and little wind deflectors for feet. I don't find it a problem to stand up from time to time over a big bump, but I don't think the Xadv is designed for such rough stuff where you'd have to constantly stand up riding.
Jim Davis I never tried it with the pegs but they look fun as hell from videos on TH-cam! Buy them online from Italy then, they’re expensive but they’re worth it in my opinion.
Don’t really see the point of the ADV unless you can TRULY go “off road” with it for some adventure riding! Like you said, I got my Honda Silver Wing for the two wheel convenience and thrill, but also the practicality of the large storage and windscreen protection it offers. It’s a very practical ride, while still having that 2 wheel fun. I like the idea of an off road scooter but it would have to be truly off road worthy, else, what’s the point? Not that we’ll be getting them here in the US anyway?
Thanks guys. I really wasn’t sure which one to go for... this made my choice easier. I ended up buying a DX partly because it corners far better than the XAdv which felt a little jittery in fast turns. And you’re absolutely correct about the weather protection... TMax is better in that respect too. And I have no intention of going on rough trails so the extra suspension travel wasn’t going to be used by me too often. My friend wasn’t to keen on the TMax but bought the Honda NC750 rather than the XAdv because he thought it could do whatever Honda’s scooter did, only better. Different strokes, I guess.
The NC has the same "flaw": it is chain driven. Not something a commuter is looking for. I really don't understand why the NC isn't belt driven. It would be the perfect commuter bike.
@@hermanstokbrood >yes, it's automatic and boring as well. I think you maybe able to buy an aftermarket belt drive, they are made for Kawasaki's 650 and 900 Vulcan's.
@@brianphuket5951You can't decide what is exiting or boring for somebody else. It's like people trying to convince other people EV's are boring. If you dive long enough you understand that a motorcycle is more than horsepower. I don't want an aftermarket solution for something that should have been on the bike in the first place.
The components used on the XADV are in part superior to the ones used on the NC750X. I do not understand, why Honda didn't utilize that room between the legs in the front and add another (small) compartment there. It is not like it would have killed the XADV's "looks". It would have made it much more practical.
The person doing the road test mentioned that the honda has higher handle bars, I don't know his height but I can say the chief reason I have not bought a scooter is that at 6'1" my knees foul on the handle bars. I think I would not have that issue with the honda as the test rider mentioned the hondas higher handle bars as being uncomfortable which i assume is because of his height, maybe he's like 5'7". As soon as its available in North american I plan on trying one. I also love how the honda looks.
I'm not sure this is a fair comparison. The TMax is a maxi scooter whilst I am not sure in what category the Honda belongs. It has a scooter step through look but a dual clutch transmission whereas most scooters even the maxis have a belt driven CVT. The Honda appears to be designed with some off road capabilities whereas I would never attempt off road riding on a scooter. I own a Kawasaki Voyager 1700 (cruiser)and a Suzuki Burgman 650 Executive (scooter). Scooters, even the maxis are designed for riding in the city. The big ones can take on touring as well. A cruiser is for the open road spending all day on the road. My point here is choose a bike/scooter that suits the riding you're going to do, commuting, touring, off-road riding and so on. Comparisons are only fair if you're comparing apples to apples.
Interesting review. All very subjective of course. I'm a recent convert to the Tmax and I find the Tmax 530 standard model entirelt suitable to my personal needs. I love it. I also love my W800 Kawasaki but for very different reasons. as for off roading, I would never expect the Tmax to be as green lane capable as say, an XT225 or a Honda CRT250 both of which I have owned. . I know for sure the Tmax would not handle some of my favourite sections of the Fosse way, why would it? Niether would the W800 but for different reasons. Still, an enjoyable video. Thanks.
Bmw c650 gt and c650 sport would destroy both of these choices and its available in America. The Suzuki Burgman 650 is also a better choice than both of these and available in the us. That's if you're interested in maxi scooters. They are also 2-4k $ more but definitely better choices.
The engine size and transmissions , intent of use is completely different. The only consideration is the price range. Id pick tmax for highspeed commute. Id pick xadv only if i require a mild off roading. Which i dont! So id pick a tmax
If you want a Maxi Scooter go for TMax, Burgman, Vespa 🛵, Klymco, BMW etc... but if you want the experience to be closer to a motorcycle with off road appeal and a DCT gearbox the It has to be the XADV for choice...
This seems like a good place to ask... I have just bought a 2017 Tmax 530 DX brand new. Don't congratulate me. I'm very disappointed. Between about 3,750 - 4,750 RPM it sounds like a broken washing machine. It seems to be the way they are made. I thought the test-ride model had been modified, but now it seems not. I cannot keep the bike if I cannot make it quiet. Who buys a scooter for relaxed cruising and then listens to an incessant drone noise at cruising RPM? QUIET exhaust recommendations, PLEASE!
I haven't ridden either of these machines. They both have pluses and minuses. The Yamaha TMax may be a bit over priced if it is the same as the Honda but has a almost 200cc smaller engine - especially when you consider there is a better equipped model than the base model you tested. There seem like a few things to like about both of them. Despite the designation of the Honda I'm not buying a scooter to go off-road even if it is just down a short country lane. The Honda screen while more easily adjustable looks to me to be mostly cosmetic like one of those stupid screens you see on sports bikes. The Yamaha might need a bit more work and time to adjust but looks to do a better job of providing wind protection. This is important because it takes the strain off the arms, chest and shoulders at motorway speeds. When considering the Yamaha I wonder why the screen isn't electrically adjustable like the Suzuki Burgman 650 (at least on the Executive model). Your review is comprehensive and informative. Thanks for posting
If you use the brand's name Yamaha and Honda when you comment the video instead of mentioning TMAX and X-ADV, will be more intelligible for people like me who don't speak English as first language. Just people are more familiar with Honda and Yamaha.
Handling! Suspension! Brakes! The section headings and on screen text add nothing to these normally excellent reviews. This is a video, not a PowerPoint. We don't like!
Off-road on these will be more down to tyres than anything else, oh and by the way you should never ride sitting down with your legs dangling on or off-road. The Honda combines the disadvantages of a motorcycle and the disadvantages of a scooter and isn't very good at either, I'm not sure who it appeals to. The T MAX (and get the model with the electric screen next time) is a great two wheeler and can commute or tour with the best of them, without the hassle and width of panniers!
the X ADV has the option of additional side pegs for stand up off road riding.... many of its reviewers say its not good for stand up riding but they are not doing it right !!! the side pegs are not a cheap add on though.
Not a fair comparison as the Honda is like its name says: a crossover. Once another brand makes a similar bike X-ADV is the only of it kind as well as on that turf.
If all the scooters you've ridden have been too hesitant when asking for power, they have all been running stock roller weights in the cvt ;) Manufacturers always put heavy roller weights in to make mpg and emission figures nicer. You typically need to drop 10%. End of story. But still, nice to hear how it rides with the stock roller weights. Btw. They cost like 10-15£ for a set. Try it out if you have a scooter with stock roller weights. Its a long tine since ive ridden any scooter with stock roller weights In denmark we only ride 50cc and 125 scooters, and we have like a culture for derestricting bikes illegally. Around 60% ride illegally, so most people know the basics of scooter tuning, or at least know someone who does. And an ubusually large sample of the population knows how to do mechanical finetuning at an intermediate level on scooters. We should legalize them... thats anothee story for another day. Roller weights is the first thing you adjust after derestricting the cvt. Because when someones already in there, and if its a 2stroke scooter it does NOT like heavy rollers. My yamaha cygnus got a malossi cvt kit with around 15%lighter roller weights in it. Since then i've said that EVERY sporty 4stroke scooter needs to have its cvt adjusted to run right. It makes a very noticable difference Probably less so on a tmax ieve never tried one. But im absolutely certain that the difference will be more than noticeable. Short of overwhelming. With a set slightly stiffer engagement spring in the centeifugal clutch i am tempted to say it would powerwheelie off the line effortlessly. Since clutch engagement and gear ratio choice is preset, testing a tmax with stock cvt setting is kindof pointless :'D Noone ought to ride one as it comes from the regulatory inspection /factory
Old review. The X-ADV has traction control now. My opinion... the X-ADV is far better. It has more power, looks a lot better, feels and sounds like a Motorbike and has longer travel suspension. I don't think these two are close enough to compare. But before I saw the review I didn't know that, so the review was still a good idea.
still old fossils 2 wheels vehicles ?? we are looking for future in 2018... 3 or 4 wheels in a size of a normal motorbike. Yamaha Niken and Quadro Xqooder 4x4 scooter with the technology of a BMW C1 scooter.
Watching this review I have to say: I don't think you are getting to the bottom of the concept of the X-ADV. I bought one (2018 model), and it is a real motorbike, not a scooter. So instead of comparing it to the TMAX, which is a really fine scooter, I have to admit, it would have been more helpful to compare it to a motorbike. It is a motorbike with a helmet compartment. And DCT with drive modes (S1 might have been the right one to choose, when going faster and overtaking cars, although you can always change the gears manually with one click on the left hand). It is not a perfect bike, and it is ugly as hell. But it does the job for me, and it gives me joy as an every day commuter ride. =)
Sounds like a T-max owner unwillingly admitting the X ADV is better at almost everything.
exactly what it sounds like
Then you are not getting the point of a maxi scooter. If I had to choose between them for just one day I would choose the X-ADV. If I had to choose to own one of them it would be the TMax.
@@hermanstokbrood why?
@@ifaifa640 Practicality. No chain. better weather protection, more luggage room etc. I like the looks of the ADV better though.
Except being a efficient storage capable scooter which is the whole point. Storage and weather protection are key.
For me this is the setup : Tmax Tech Max 560, malossi variator, Powercommander, Akrapovic exhaust and you fly!
i`m interested in taking the next step up after my Honda Forza NSS300. This video is one of the best (if the best)review of the T-Max in my opinion, thank you for that! It explained a lot of those questions what i had in mind.
Honda has better breaks,better engine,it has a real gearbox and also better suspension..but the Tmax is better?wtf?
dude is a fanboy
Honda obviously didn't give them a long term test bike
We are still forgetting that these are Maxi SCOOTERS. And scooters are for practicality first. In this aspect, TMAX wins hands down with better under seat storage and more leg room. One can buy Bike if you need adventure.
badal246 brilliant explanation
Honda always wins motogp Yamaha always lose... 😂😂😂 Yamaha better for what...
I see the X-ADV more as a dual-sport or even touring motorcycle rather than a maxi scooter. test drove it a few weeks ago with a pillion and we were both impressed how smooth, yet punchy when necessary, and also how comfortable it is. Much more comfortable than the NC750, for the rider and especially the pillion.
Great comparison!
One thing: XADV gets an update 2018 and it will have traction control too.
@2:52 you do realise that you have extractable foot pegs for stand-up riding?
@Beckett Charlie stfu
The Honda obviously took that trail way better than the tmax.
Bigger, actual motorcycle engine and wheels. Honda wins.
Fine get a motorcycle but I love my Xadv. I love everything about it but it's so easy and fun to ride. I have ridden my Xadv on some really rough stuff, in fact it can go places the Africa Twin can't. It can because it's so stable with its low COG, there's little fear of dropping it. The NC doesn't appeal to me, it's just a cheap bike, but the Xadv is top of the line everything from the USD forks to the radial mounted calipers. The Xadv is all I need in a bike. It goes anywhere and does it with exceptional economy and fun. It'll tour the highways, rip up the trails, and commute around the city. The TMax does not appeal to me at all, it's the ugliest thing on 2 wheels.
Yes I did and loving it.
Gary Walker why limit yourself to those categories?
@@jimbeaver27 do you have a proper motorcycle as well? I have Kawasaki Z1000 but I can not stop thinking about Honda xadv
@@chrisw4215 - I sold my CRF1000 and bought the Xadv. I've owned plenty of bikes over the years but the Xadv is the most fun.
* x adv for me overall, something you cannot be bored about especially its dct tech being reborn
The X-ADV actually has 3 levels of "Sport Mode" although probably not relevant in this comparison test, also, if off roading is your thing, you can get the optional footrest which are set at the back of the running boards, these would address your (correct) observation regarding being to close to the bars when standing, these are as far as I know are not an option for the TMAX, regarding storage, you are correct regarding the under seat storage, I couldn't fit my Arai Tour X in there with it's peak attached. Anyway, a great mini review 🙂
Thanks for the honest review. Brave to take the tmax offroad lol. Nice to know it could do it if need be!
Really nice and clear review!
Visordown should stop doing scooter reviews. Everyone I've seen is snobby and condescending. They're always trying to evaluate them as motorcycles, which makes no sense. It's like taking a dump on a motorcycle for a lack of scooter-like underseat storage. If you're going to continue being so biased, why bother?
Fuel economy? Not sure if this was covered, but the honda can achieve over 60 mpg when used in the city. The T-max only around 40mpg this will add up over the years if using these bikes as commuters.
You a bitch
My DX delivers a consistent 55mpg
of course xadv wins anybody knows that. T max is just a city scooter....honda's engineering is superb
A city scooter is 125, come on! My Xmax 300 does cross country on motorways & B roads so Tmax is even better for motorways. Just the price of a car. Meh
@@Lee_303 what's the xmax 300 like on the motorway? I was looking at the iron max 300
It all depends on what you want ... I think Hondas new technology won't be as reliable as the old tec that's on the tmax. And just think how expansive it will be to replace something on the xadv. The tmax has some of the same parts as the old tmax and there's tons of aftermarket stuff aswell !!!! ...
There's an Austrian test driver, who used Honda's "new" technology of the DCT on an Africa Twin. He rode 475.000 km within the last 4 years. It is still working and in great shape, he says. Always taking care of the service intervals, of course.
Isn't it a be redundant saying "continuously variable CVT", like saying it has four wheel 4WD?
No it isn't redundant because a transmission could vary the gears in steps, in that case it will be "discretely" variable or "step-wise" variable. In the case of the CVT, there are no steps, i.e. the variation in the gear ratio is infinitely seamless between the lowest gear ratio to the highest gear ratio.
@@buellterrier3596 CVT stands for Continuous Variable Transmission, no? So you don't find it funny saying countiously Countinously Variable Transmission?
@@lukoradulic5340 In that context, you are absolutely correct. I see your point now, thanks. The captions @1:04 should have had "CVT" in parenthesis to avoid confusion.
@@lukoradulic5340 >must be for people with short attention spans.
can't believe I'm saying this but I'm gonna be those guys that says "why not just get a real adventure bike and a top box"
Both good but Honda takes it, looks less like a grannywagon too.
The Honda is definitely on my radar. Legroom was the best I have found so far on any maxi scooter. I ride with my feet on those slanted foot boards. My legs were stretched out very comfortably!
If it had a belt...yes I would consider it over the TMax.
@@hermanstokbroodbelt it’s better ?
I'll take X-ADV. I think they cannot be compared because X-ADV isn't actually a maxi scooter while T-MAX is pure auto CVT. Right???
Your correct !!! The xadv is in a different class. Mybe compair it to the nc750..semi/auto or the Africa twin semi/auto.
@@mrpantur7280 >That makes the most sense, it is the closest apple to apple comparisons, Otherwise, it is an apple to coconut comparison.
Blimey!
10 out of 10 for your video making style and "all you need and nothing more" approach.
I ride a 2012 V-Strom 650 infrequently and PCX150 daily here in Japan.
Although I adore the V-strom - and well serviced it will run for ever - I want a more comfortable option (I get pain in my left hand and wrist from clutch work when in traffic).
The 2018 Suzuki Skywave 650, 2017 Yamaha Tmax DX and Kymco AK550 are on my wish-list.
A Honda Integra or even CTX700 would have been but if I am not getting a motorcycle, I am not going to tolerate chain maintenance every 1,000 kilometres.
I am almost sure I will get the Tmax, having just looked at one, but having had a Skywave (Burgman) 650 as a loaner (earlier model), I know how comfortable they are.
Still, 1,350,000 Yen for a the Tmax DX (about 10,000 pounds), and 1,000,000 for the Skywave... what to do?
The final consideration is road conditions and traffic - road speeds here are 1/3 lower than the U.K., and roads are narrower, so filtering ability is as important as almost all other considerations.
Thanks for a very good review and comparison video.
I'll be on the look-out for more of your videos (not that I`ll be buying most of what I see there).
In process of getting my first tmax 2019 Dx ice fluo. Second hand but excellent condition and low milage.
I traded in my x max 400 and I think the t max will be it for a good few years. Decent power, storage and great looks. It's my 7 days a week vehicle so for me, the classic maxi scooter-isms are what wins out for me too rather than the x adv having more power, less storage and less weather protection.
7:11 "...only an UNSTOPPABLE BUFFOON can forget to disengage it..." lol! Love it how he said it so casually 🤭
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Nice review, also worth mentioning is the cruise control on Tmax.
The primary reason I bought one over the competition. Absolutely no regrets - best bike I've ever owned!
Honda don’t play around... when a Honda product hits the market know it’s been perfectly fine in its R&D
This is a pretty good review and comparisson. Due to the fact that one is an undefined hybrid.
Here's what I don't get. Why not just buy the NC750X? Same engine and transmission, same weight (ish), pretty much the same windscreen and amount of storage, more bike-like riding position and a lot cheaper!
NC750X is an undefined bike. Africa Twin or X-ADV are the only valid options.
Wondering why didn't compare tmax with honda integra 750 dct.
That would certainly be an apple to apple comparison...
Missed the point completely, you’ve reviewed the x adv as a maxi scooter when it isn’t, it’s a bike with some pro’s from the scooter world. If you want bike with ease and comfort that will mostly be used for commuting that you can go on a road trip on but don’t fancy the dull world of commuter bikes, it’s well worth a look at. It’s not a maxi scooter!
Im a yamaha lover.. but this X-ADV will amaze you when you see it in person.. a real head-turner bike.. Kudos to this HONDA..
Yes it looks really good but its biggest flaw is having a chain. Why not a belt?
@@hermanstokbrood because it's a motorbike more then it's a scooter. I'm a x-adv owner, so I'm not neutral at all, but wouldn't ever trade it in for a t-max. 😉
@@alaboleif no but would you rather have one with belt? I know I would.
@@hermanstokbrood of course belt is free of maintenance, it's hard to argue about that.
@@hermanstokbrood > I think when it's a "scooter" a belt comes to mind, when its a motorcycle >chain drive comes to mind.
Excellent review.
Over All, the Honda X-ADV Wins almost all comparisons..👍👍👍
xadv is real answer for all of us who wanna drive motorcycle but hate changing gears..I had versys 650.sold it bought xmax300, but Now I'm aiming to buy xadv
Same thing here. My Xmax has everything I could ever want, except for power and a bit more leg room.
In the next few years I will search for something else. I would love to keep my Xmax but I only have storage for one bike.
Please dont show XADV with case, you’re killing its wonderfull aesthetic!
I think a better comparison would have been the T-Max against a Honda Forza 750.. It's meant to be a maxi scooter where as the xAdv is a kind of crossover.
Riding offroad legally in the UK just doesnt work. That said the x-adv looks way better whatever the terrain. The one you are least likely to get mugged for is also something to consider.
why not use the drop pegs for the passenger? I've seen others do it.
You keep using the xadv off-road without the off-road pegs. You even mention that standing up your feet are too close to the bars! WTF? don’t you know they sell optional pegs or are you pretending you don’t?
Honda doesn't sell the optional pegs.
Jim Davis yeah they do! built by rizoma and sold by honda as a power part.
oh wait in some countries they cannot do that... but whatever you can buy them anyway!
the point is: you can’t say it’s uncomfortable to ride standing if you don’t mount the pegs that you’re supposed to use to do so. you can complain they don’t come stock... i’d agree to that!
I'm in Japan and Honda does not offer the footpegs, which is too bad because I want a pair. I did get fancy floorboard rubbers and little wind deflectors for feet. I don't find it a problem to stand up from time to time over a big bump, but I don't think the Xadv is designed for such rough stuff where you'd have to constantly stand up riding.
Jim Davis I never tried it with the pegs but they look fun as hell from videos on TH-cam! Buy them online from Italy then, they’re expensive but they’re worth it in my opinion.
Jim Davis th-cam.com/video/FKe4Fiu4leY/w-d-xo.html
Don’t really see the point of the ADV unless you can TRULY go “off road” with it for some adventure riding! Like you said, I got my Honda Silver Wing for the two wheel convenience and thrill, but also the practicality of the large storage and windscreen protection it offers. It’s a very practical ride, while still having that 2 wheel fun. I like the idea of an off road scooter but it would have to be truly off road worthy, else, what’s the point? Not that we’ll be getting them here in the US anyway?
The looks count for a lot. They do for me anyhow
Great clear to the point review, thumbs up 👍 from me thanks
it's simple the X-ADV is a bike the TMAX is a scooter. bike is better
11Daniel2k not if you want a scooter.
the xadv is not a bike...its ascooter with bike element
I want that Tmax so bad guess i have to sell one kidney to afford it.
would take 2 kidneys to buy a bmw scooter.
Thanks guys. I really wasn’t sure which one to go for... this made my choice easier. I ended up buying a DX partly because it corners far better than the XAdv which felt a little jittery in fast turns. And you’re absolutely correct about the weather protection... TMax is better in that respect too. And I have no intention of going on rough trails so the extra suspension travel wasn’t going to be used by me too often. My friend wasn’t to keen on the TMax but bought the Honda NC750 rather than the XAdv because he thought it could do whatever Honda’s scooter did, only better. Different strokes, I guess.
The NC has the same "flaw": it is chain driven. Not something a commuter is looking for. I really don't understand why the NC isn't belt driven. It would be the perfect commuter bike.
@@hermanstokbrood >yes, it's automatic and boring as well. I think you maybe able to buy an aftermarket belt drive, they are made for Kawasaki's 650 and 900 Vulcan's.
@@brianphuket5951You can't decide what is exiting or boring for somebody else. It's like people trying to convince other people EV's are boring. If you dive long enough you understand that a motorcycle is more than horsepower.
I don't want an aftermarket solution for something that should have been on the bike in the first place.
The components used on the XADV are in part superior to the ones used on the NC750X. I do not understand, why Honda didn't utilize that room between the legs in the front and add another (small) compartment there. It is not like it would have killed the XADV's "looks". It would have made it much more practical.
Nice review
The person doing the road test mentioned that the honda has higher handle bars, I don't know his height but I can say the chief reason I have not bought a scooter is that at 6'1" my knees foul on the handle bars. I think I would not have that issue with the honda as the test rider mentioned the hondas higher handle bars as being uncomfortable which i assume is because of his height, maybe he's like 5'7". As soon as its available in North american I plan on trying one. I also love how the honda looks.
Had both, XADV is way better in every aspect except storage. XADV is a motorbike, and drives like one.
I have TMax and i enjoy every bit of it planning to get the XADV cause i love it too
Is getting a tmax as your first bike a good choice tmax 530 ?
TMAX is a scooter. XADV is a motorcycle with more scooter features. Most people will love XADV I believe.
Both scooter
@@adventuretwin2529 but X-ADV have chain that's why it's like a motorcycle while scooters have belt only
Obvious this guy loves Yamaha.
Q: did the old TMAX look better?
A: new looks way more futuristic. thats something i like.
Oh yes, as did the previous 500 model.
For everyday commuting and get out (clean road) of town in the weekend sometimes, what is better choice?
I'm looking at the Honda, I have a motorcycle, but as I getting close to mid 60's I'm interested in comfort and easy handling.
the chain is a major dealbreaker to me.
Same, also à lock is difficult because of the chain
yes, belt is better far smoother ride
I'm not sure this is a fair comparison. The TMax is a maxi scooter whilst I am not sure in what category the Honda belongs. It has a scooter step through look but a dual clutch transmission whereas most scooters even the maxis have a belt driven CVT. The Honda appears to be designed with some off road capabilities whereas I would never attempt off road riding on a scooter. I own a Kawasaki Voyager 1700 (cruiser)and a Suzuki Burgman 650 Executive (scooter). Scooters, even the maxis are designed for riding in the city. The big ones can take on touring as well. A cruiser is for the open road spending all day on the road. My point here is choose a bike/scooter that suits the riding you're going to do, commuting, touring, off-road riding and so on. Comparisons are only fair if you're comparing apples to apples.
Yes, Thank God I will buy one of each of them
I sure there is off-road pegs you use to maneuver off road
why didnt you compare the tmax to the 350 x adv
if you plan to offroad the adv , buy the offroad pegs they sit further back and feel more natural to stand up
Interesting review. All very subjective of course. I'm a recent convert to the Tmax and I find the Tmax 530 standard model entirelt suitable to my personal needs. I love it. I also love my W800 Kawasaki but for very different reasons. as for off roading, I would never expect the Tmax to be as green lane capable as say, an XT225 or a Honda CRT250 both of which I have owned. . I know for sure the Tmax would not handle some of my favourite sections of the Fosse way, why would it? Niether would the W800 but for different reasons. Still, an enjoyable video. Thanks.
So, the ultimate "2-wheeled car" would still be the Suzuki 650 Burgman....It's hard to beat.
Sounds like this guy doesn't recognize that scooter is a motorcycle as well!
I’d love to own Both
Yamaha TMax vs Honda NM4,Please...
I’ll take the 17” inch wheel Honda over the 14/15” wheel Yamaha any day
Tmax has 15'/15' wheels
Since it appears we will get neither in the U.S. it's difficult to too excited.
Exactly how I felt. Make it available !
Bmw c650 gt and c650 sport would destroy both of these choices and its available in America. The Suzuki Burgman 650 is also a better choice than both of these and available in the us. That's if you're interested in maxi scooters. They are also 2-4k $ more but definitely better choices.
I love HONDA it's better
chain no better than belt
The engine size and transmissions , intent of use is completely different. The only consideration is the price range.
Id pick tmax for highspeed commute. Id pick xadv only if i require a mild off roading. Which i dont! So id pick a tmax
What engines are these scooters does anybody know?
1:15 advantage of CBT haha. Good review anyway.
If you want a Maxi Scooter go for TMax, Burgman, Vespa 🛵, Klymco, BMW etc... but if you want the experience to be closer to a motorcycle with off road appeal and a DCT gearbox the It has to be the XADV for choice...
You forgot to mention that it has a sport mode 2 whichi is the super sport
Manual
Drive
Sport 1
Sport 2 ( super sport mode )
This seems like a good place to ask...
I have just bought a 2017 Tmax 530 DX brand new. Don't congratulate me. I'm very disappointed. Between about 3,750 - 4,750 RPM it sounds like a broken washing machine. It seems to be the way they are made. I thought the test-ride model had been modified, but now it seems not. I cannot keep the bike if I cannot make it quiet. Who buys a scooter for relaxed cruising and then listens to an incessant drone noise at cruising RPM?
QUIET exhaust recommendations, PLEASE!
I pick the Honda
I love my Tmax handles really well and smooth ride and very nippy.
Both different...why compare??
Its a very biased review. He doesnt like Maxi scooters but one which looks like a "normal" bike is preferred.
Where is that byway?
I haven't ridden either of these machines. They both have pluses and minuses. The Yamaha TMax may be a bit over priced if it is the same as the Honda but has a almost 200cc smaller engine - especially when you consider there is a better equipped model than the base model you tested. There seem like a few things to like about both of them. Despite the designation of the Honda I'm not buying a scooter to go off-road even if it is just down a short country lane. The Honda screen while more easily adjustable looks to me to be mostly cosmetic like one of those stupid screens you see on sports bikes. The Yamaha might need a bit more work and time to adjust but looks to do a better job of providing wind protection. This is important because it takes the strain off the arms, chest and shoulders at motorway speeds. When considering the Yamaha I wonder why the screen isn't electrically adjustable like the Suzuki Burgman 650 (at least on the Executive model). Your review is comprehensive and informative. Thanks for posting
Tma wins 🏆 👏 🙌 for doing better job for being a true maxi scooter 👏 👍.thanks for sharing 👍 😀
If you use the brand's name Yamaha and Honda when you comment the video instead of mentioning TMAX and X-ADV, will be more intelligible for people like me who don't speak English as first language. Just people are more familiar with Honda and Yamaha.
Handling! Suspension! Brakes! The section headings and on screen text add nothing to these normally excellent reviews. This is a video, not a PowerPoint. We don't like!
Personally I thought it was a great idea and quite novel.
It took only a second or so for each one after all.
No big deal either way really.
Why not Tmax vs. Kymco AK 550cc
Off-road on these will be more down to tyres than anything else, oh and by the way you should never ride sitting down with your legs dangling on or off-road. The Honda combines the disadvantages of a motorcycle and the disadvantages of a scooter and isn't very good at either, I'm not sure who it appeals to. The T MAX (and get the model with the electric screen next time) is a great two wheeler and can commute or tour with the best of them, without the hassle and width of panniers!
Honda is the best and better all over
Why you didnt say anything about consumption ?
the X ADV has the option of additional side pegs for stand up off road riding.... many of its reviewers say its not good for stand up riding but they are not doing it right !!! the side pegs are not a cheap add on though.
like to find side foot pegs for sure. Not enough leg room if your 6' or taller. More info on that !!
I still choose TMAX easy ride and much lower price less maintainance
what are u talking about its the same price or the tmax techmax is even more expensive
What did she drop?
handy video
Not a fair comparison as the Honda is like its name says: a crossover. Once another brand makes a similar bike X-ADV is the only of it kind as well as on that turf.
The Honda is not really a scooter. It is a motorcycle on which one sits strangely.
If all the scooters you've ridden have been too hesitant when asking for power, they have all been running stock roller weights in the cvt ;)
Manufacturers always put heavy roller weights in to make mpg and emission figures nicer.
You typically need to drop 10%.
End of story.
But still, nice to hear how it rides with the stock roller weights.
Btw. They cost like 10-15£ for a set. Try it out if you have a scooter with stock roller weights.
Its a long tine since ive ridden any scooter with stock roller weights
In denmark we only ride 50cc and 125 scooters, and we have like a culture for derestricting bikes illegally.
Around 60% ride illegally, so most people know the basics of scooter tuning, or at least know someone who does.
And an ubusually large sample of the population knows how to do mechanical finetuning at an intermediate level on scooters.
We should legalize them... thats anothee story for another day.
Roller weights is the first thing you adjust after derestricting the cvt.
Because when someones already in there, and if its a 2stroke scooter it does NOT like heavy rollers.
My yamaha cygnus got a malossi cvt kit with around 15%lighter roller weights in it.
Since then i've said that EVERY sporty 4stroke scooter needs to have its cvt adjusted to run right.
It makes a very noticable difference
Probably less so on a tmax ieve never tried one. But im absolutely certain that the difference will be more than noticeable. Short of overwhelming.
With a set slightly stiffer engagement spring in the centeifugal clutch i am tempted to say it would powerwheelie off the line effortlessly.
Since clutch engagement and gear ratio choice is preset, testing a tmax with stock cvt setting is kindof pointless :'D
Noone ought to ride one as it comes from the regulatory inspection /factory
Old review. The X-ADV has traction control now. My opinion... the X-ADV is far better. It has more power, looks a lot better, feels and sounds like a Motorbike and has longer travel suspension. I don't think these two are close enough to compare. But before I saw the review I didn't know that, so the review was still a good idea.
still old fossils 2 wheels vehicles ?? we are looking for future in 2018... 3 or 4 wheels in a size of a normal motorbike. Yamaha Niken and Quadro Xqooder 4x4 scooter with the technology of a BMW C1 scooter.
I prefer X Adv coz it looks like Ducati Strada bike.And if riding long journey it won't hurt your back.
have you heard about tmax sx?
2021..in my country the difference.. around $12000..tmax far more affordable
X ADV step up to the next level not just a scooter it's also a little bit offroad.
Watching this review I have to say: I don't think you are getting to the bottom of the concept of the X-ADV. I bought one (2018 model), and it is a real motorbike, not a scooter. So instead of comparing it to the TMAX, which is a really fine scooter, I have to admit, it would have been more helpful to compare it to a motorbike. It is a motorbike with a helmet compartment. And DCT with drive modes (S1 might have been the right one to choose, when going faster and overtaking cars, although you can always change the gears manually with one click on the left hand).
It is not a perfect bike, and it is ugly as hell. But it does the job for me, and it gives me joy as an every day commuter ride. =)
My old T Max 500 has full Polini transmission and one Honda Integra can’t keep me from 0-160km/h 🙃
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