As a rocker girl (in a band and all) the tiktok girls really like to mesh up rockstar who's a GIRL with rockstar girlfriend aesthetic....like tiktok people really show off girls from the Runaways and be like "omg rockstar gf aesthetic" like no, they WERE the rockstars Edit: Great video btw, I enjoyed it
as a Latina who loves aesthetics closer to the grungy side of things, one of my biggest fears is being perceived as dirty in a non-pretty white model way because of how I dress. so even though the rock star girlfriend aesthetic is something I love, I can't see myself letting myself get into that because of the stereotypes I'd be reinforcing which sucks. Specifically, black and Latino people are stereotyped as such, so I see why many black and Latina women would be hesitant to get into the style. Great vid though, you 100 % deserve more subs!! can't wait for more vids like this
thank you for your comment! i totally understand this perspective, i tried to mention it when talking about Bianca Jagger but it’s a big problem. whites can get away with not showering or being grungy for the aesthetic but with POC it’s an uphill battle bc of internalized racism
i really like this aesthetic and i want to go into it without be preserved as ghetto or scary cause i’m black i don’t dress nice and i never express myself because of the aesthetics that i like will put me into a stereotype or the aesthetic isn’t excepting of POC i really really really want be a part of an aesthetic like this so i can express myself 😭👊🏾
As someone in the local rock and pop punky music scene it’s very much everywhere in the songs in people. Everhone smokes and it’s not good idk it’s one of the negatives of the lifestyle
I feel like I have the rockstar girlfriend aesthetic but I under no circumstances like the problematic aspects of the aesthetic and yes I am so happy u talked about how rockstar girlfriends should be switched to being empowering rather than just an accessory to the rockstar anyways I absolutely loved this video
i’m arab and this aesthetic is totally opposite of anything my culture could go for and obviously i’m a tan girl with dark hair, dark eyebrows, etc. and though i’ve LOVED this style and this music for so long, i have always thought this was strictly for white women and always shy’d away from it but as i’m growing up, i’m learning that that women of color are just as beautiful and accepted in any aesthetic. loved this video, thank you :)
yes! i came across them in my “research” lol but i had so much to cover i had to cut like 15mins worth of cottage out 😭 thank you for pointing this out tho!
I love your videos and I really appreciate the fact that you try to be so inclusive it makes me feel seen! I also think that Zoe Kravitz, Lisa Bonet and Anok yai are WOC that fit the aesthetic, I personally take a lot of inspiration from them
wow thank you so much for your comment!! Lisa Bonet for SURE, and Zoe Kravitz would’ve been a great one to include as well! I’m thinking of doing a whole video on Lisa Bonet because she’s an icon👀👀👀
holy shit i was looking for this yesterday and i see this pop up today. i've always been into this aesthetic but never had a word for it. to me they're making the most out of their life, creative and pursuing their passion. she's independent; a femme fatale. something about her draws people to her, probably the sense of mystery and charm in her air & she treats those people with kindness and empathy. in terms of 'aesthetic', this has been around for ages without a proper label on pinterest & tumblr - gritty photos taken in the dark on film, very sexy & not trying too hard with a vintage but personal sense of fashion; almost a mix of model off duty and the riot grrrl & rock aesthetics. love this video tho, i've never had one completely describe my sense of style and aesthetic. hope your channel sees all the love and support you deserve
@@dionthetaurus i forgot to add this but as a person of colour i love how much you emphasized on how different the experience was based on race. i hope the aesthetic puts more emphasis on the women and their individual talents & personalities instead of making it all about the man and what the man copped.
@@rwitabina thank you so much for seeing the effort i put in! i want my style videos to be for everyone and i want everyone to see themselves in my videos 🧡
As someone who's Romani, I find it very hard to find a style that I like and makes me feel good, without falling into the "dirty gypsy" stereotype. But I absolutely love this aesthetic and think that it's a very open aesthetic and has the potential to flourish into a bigger aesthetic and fashion movement.
Love your content Dion! I think the rockstar lady is a much cooler aesthetic , it would be interesting to see a video focusing on the potentials of exploring that style . There are still issues of course but the fashion? There have been so many iconic looks from women in rock
This video is so well done!! I'm currently obsessed with this aesthetic but I do agree that there are some aspects that should not be romanticized like cigarette smoking, eating disorders, lack of representation, etc. I love your videos and you can really see how much hard work you put into them
The sad thing about being an aesthetic bound person is getting lost in it. Your personality shouldn't be based on how you dress, if you're hardcore it comes off naturally but if you don't feel that way you shouldn't make it who you are to do certain things you don't like; drug abuse, physical and mental. Be yourself and the things you like about the aesthetic will just roll into your life no matter your colour or size. Also remember that the more time you put into your hobbies and passions the stronger you become. Don't k*!l yourself for an aesthetic!!!!
Now I ask you---was that not marvelous? I liked this BETTER than "Coquette" and I really didn't think I would ever say that. Everything that made "Coquette" so special, the evident preparation, the tutorial note reading, the tone of your voice, were present here and at your ending, "Would I risk it all to date Jon Bon Jovi or Mick Jagger? You bet your ass.", I clapped spontaneously. The downsides of this trope, the 14-18 year old girls, I didn't even know about. This is truly ew gross (and criminal for half of those ages). The drug usage, yeah, that does go with the territory. Your suggestions of how to rehabilitate the rock star image girlfriend are in line with he vague image I had in my head of the Ideal (which I didn't even know was in my head until this video). You say "powerful". In my notes on this vid I wrote several times "independent." With either the R.S.G. can say "No." No to being just arm candy; no to taking ALL the drugs. Kate Moss, who you mention, is the instantiation of my ideal: too glamorous to dress glamorously in public--"That's my day job!", too beautiful to be ostentatious dressing it--"black, white, red": yes--too independent to be threatened by philandering, "Yeah, I sleep with other guys?" You mentioned several rock star--girlfriend couples and in your "problems" section dissected them, one being the lack of women of color and plus-size R.S.G.'s. As you were going through the couples I was thinking and wrote down some, I won't lengthen this comment with them as I rejected them, but one I thought of as I wrote this, one couple that meets your empathetic, ethical "on the other hand". Dions and Peons I give you Iman and David Bowie..."Would I risk it all? You bet your ass."--that should be on a monument somewhere.
Honestly in general rock stars or just celebrities are terrible people to date, yeah at first glance their charisma, fame, looks and many is enticing to many but with them being put on a pedestal gives them inflated egos and they will have more power in the dynamics due to their fame, having way too many choices so they probably won’t treat anyone they date as special since there would also be more people that would want them, substance abuse due to their stressful lives, like in the long run terrible to date
Just found your channel through your coquette aesthetic video! Love this content. Fun fact about Priscilla's hair- she always says Elvis made her dye it to his preference and to this day Tura Satana (the Japanese American dancer/actress/martial artist that he dated/allegedly proposed to before Priscilla) claims she shaped his attraction to long voluminous dark hair and heavy makeup. She says a lot of dubious things, so not necessarily a trustworthy source, but it is sort of entertaining to imagine that to be true. One note though as a fellow lover of commentary TH-cam and a Memphis native with deep ties to the delta blues tradition - when it comes to early Rock history (e.g. the intricate process of synthesis between black gospel music, black soul music, and white hillbilly music, folk hymns and early country) commentary YT seems to have a flawed methodology of making sweeping statements without citing music historians specifically or experts on the artists in question, the artists themselves, or even their contemporaries. Southern music culture, which has never been linear as these statements suggest, is hard to understand without digging deeply into primary sources. B.B King, Jackie Wilson, Chuck Berry, Little Richard, and experts at the Stax Museum, National Civil Rights Museum, Graceland, and the Memphis Rock n' Soul Museum are better source material than admittedly very well-meaning analysts attempting to apply the modern urban music landscape to an era occupied by poor southern sharecroppers and their sons and daughters. Sorry to nitpick, but it irks me since we rarely get consulted on such things as these sweeping notions become passed around as if they are just fundamental truths. It is an ongoing issue between music historians/pop culture historians and pop sociologists. Keep up the cool content! Can't wait to see what else you create!!
thanks! there’s only so much i can do considering the time frame and i wanted to focus on fashion rather than music history, but i do LOVE music history and appreciate the feedback!
WOW! I just found your videos and I love your take on different fashion styles! I especially like how you try to include examples of all skin tones and body types. I'm size 16 and when I saw that pic of the plus size woman in leopard print I was like holy shit I could pull this off if I wanted to because she looks KICKASS. Thank you for posting this! ps. do goth or punk style next! :)
AHHH THIS MAKES ME SO HAPPY! i make a really conscious effort to be inclusive and i always appreciate feedback as to how i can be better. that leopard outfit is SO HOT! goth/punk would be so cool to do!!
I think the fact the the coquette aesthetic and the rock star girlfriend aesthetic are linked because actress Dominique Swain played in the Movie Lolita, and also the movie Girl.
I thought for the longest time that it was the girlfriend who was the rockstar, as in "that's my girlfriend, she's a rockstar", not rockstar's girlfriend :/
I really appreciate you sharing your critiques on this aesthetic. I loved partaking in this aesthetic back in like 2013/2014 tumblr days but remember always feeling left out because it seemed very exclusive to white women with a certain body type. Even when I would go to concerts of bands that had this aesthetic I was one of the very few non-white people there lol I’m still inspired by this style but have made it my own which I’m very happy about.
just found u this morning n love u. the way i try to explain this to everyone at the radio station i work at. “it’s bad bc xyz but yes i would risk it all for steven tyler, understand the dichotomy” 😭
the rockstar gf aesthetic brings back lots of memories someone who was almost one at that she and her band wasnt as big as they are now and it was a time in japan where visual kei and rock were at their peak but they were getting popular we were girlfriends but werent friends either sneaky links if you will we had to keep it a secret bc asia is pretty homophobic and she was a public figure we def had potential and chemistry she was really sweet bought me things and food she used to say that she loves me but she probs was just playing bc she was flirting w other ppl too and was being a teen i believed at the time lmao but she gotten busy and i had uni and stuff but still to this day thats the most fun and romantic wattpad thing that has happened to me
@@dionthetaurus thx u too and there a song in her discography that was about a first love being the one that got away she wrote it and i like to pretend its about me sometimes
she told me that i was the prettiest girl she ever met which still makes me confident even if she was bluffing bc shes surronded by pretty model and actresses and idol every day
Great video , I love how you called out Paul McCartney. Would have love if you mentioned the fact that Elvis was a major predator and yet people only think of him in very positive light.
@@dionthetaurus yes, he took her to Vegas and her parents didn't know, he had her prewrite notes that his secretary mailed while they were gone but all anyone remembers him as is the king of rock and roll.
oh wow, i expected way more comments on a video as good as this one! your videos are SO well-made! truly enjoyable to watch. and i admire your dedication to refilm the same bit 4 (four!!!) times 😶🌫️ i would have regequit for sure 🤣 looking forward to your future videos! i’ve subscribed instantly after watching your “Coquette” video. I hadn’t even heard about this aesthetic until I watched Mina’s video, then tried to find out more about it and your video was hands down the BEST. the content, the diversity, THE CORRECT GRAMMAR WHEN YOU ARE SPEAKING (😅 the struggle on YT is real), your tone of voice and the speed with which you are speaking - everything is absolutely perfect. thank you for putting so much hard work into your content! 💗💗💗 it shows 💗
I need to declare it: this is one of the greatest videos about the subject I've ever seen. The screenplay is very dynamic, informative, and you have this charming presence, girl next door-ish vibe, the kind of person we want to be friends with. Each minute so delicious to watch. Keep doing your thing, you are sparkle!! ♥
supermodel by maneskin is the PERFECT song for this aesthetic omgg lyrics Alone at parties in a deadly silhouette She loves the cocaine, but cocaine don't love her back When she's upset she talks to Maury and takes deep breaths She's a 90s supermodel, oh-oh-oh Way back in high school, when she was a good Christian I used to know her, but she's got a new best friend A drag queen named The Virgin Mary takes confessions She's a 90s supermodel Yeah, she's a monster, my compliments If you wanna love her, just deal with that She'll never love you, more than money and cigarettes Every night's a heartbreak Hey, don't think about it Hey, just let it go 'Cause her boyfriend is the rock 'n ' roll Savor every moment 'til she has to go 'Cause her boyfriend is the rock 'n' roll Alone at parties, she's working around the clock When you're not looking, she's stealing your Basquiat Low waisted pants on OnlyFans, I'd pay for that She's a 90s supermodel Yeah, she's a monster, my compliments If you wanna love her, just deal with that She'll never love you, you just look a bit like her dad Every night's a heartbreak Hey, don't think about it Hey, just let it go 'Cause her boyfriend is the rock 'n' roll Savor every moment, 'til she has to go 'Cause her boyfriend is the rock 'n' roll She's a 90s supermodel, oh, oh, oh She's a 90s supermodel, oh, oh, oh Okay
i prefer the groupie aesthetic that is more based on 60s/70s fashion. and being a groupie or a rockstar girlfriend in those days wasn't about being skinny and smoking, i think that's more of the 90s and early 2000s model influence.
@@dionthetaurus not all of them. and there have been young teen groupies in every decade. either way, what i meant with my comment is that i prefer the vibe, fashion and the music of that era. i'm in no way romanticizing the baby groupies.
I love this aesthetic from a look standpoint, but it romanticizes being not much more than a side piece. It also is the kind of aestetic that pushes like.. skinny culture. I like this aestetic because it honeslty makes me feel comfortable in my skin, even if i’m more of a curvy person. That’s why i think it should be considered something else, not rockstar girlfriend, something else
Woooow! This pin points my 16-21y.o. me so well. I never felt that I belonged that much to the 2014 Tumblr Grunge, because this was it for me! And I definitely agree on all the negative aspects you mentioned. Those shaped me and formed my personality in a really bad way. I had to learn to stand up for myself and to acknowledge my boarders the really hard way, because I was so messed up with those misogynistic and harmful ideas of how a woman should behave. This video is it for me, this is therapy! Thank you soooo much! Short history: First I loved the sound of old rock music, like Queen, the Doors, Guns n Roses,... Then I discovered Tumblr, which had a community of praising these old Rockstars. Paired with the destructive Tumblr Grunge, and the ideal of a groupie girlfriend, that was a toxic ride. Still love the music to this day, but I threw away this mindset. Please stay safe everyone and just do what you are comfortable with!!!
i love ur video SM!!!! 💗💗 i was looking for a video abt rockstar gfs & i’m SO happy that i found u. u explain everything so well and I luv how u call out elvis presley & john lennon!! so happy ur bringing it up! it matters to me sm that u acknowledged the problems POC face within this aesthetic, makes me happy u stood ur ground w/ that person in the comments abt the racism POC face within this aesthetic :) pls keep making videos & doing u
thank you so much! i’m happy that i was forced to further explain myself about the double standard, i don’t think i did the best job at it in the video
I am kinda getting burned out on everyone always talking about problematic things in everything we do or consume nowadays. I don’t care if some people think the rockstar gf aesthetic is sexist or problematic. I just like it for the makeup, outfits, and creativity
13:11 so sweet little sixteen is... *Lots of rage and disappointment* why does this always has to happen... First I've got a woman and then this one *more rage and disappointment*
Realising I'm commenting ages after this got posted, but really liked this video! I'm still skirting around the edges of this style and trying to pick what I like from to create a kind of 'rockstar boyfriend' aesthetic that works for me (which is v hard to figure out as a plus sized guy who can't really pull off 'androgynous' and doesn't want to), but the section on fundamentals was v helpful! Also loved how you contextualised the style and properly discussed the messy nature of it. Idk, maybe there's something subversive in me wanting to do a boyfriend version of the girlfriend look.
I see 2 videos of this channel and I love the contents. Girl, you have a new sub ✨ Sorry if my english is not good, I continue learning :") Saludos desde Perú ❤
okay so, ive basically been in love with Nikki Sixx since i was about 6 or 7 years old. i was raised around all things harley davidson, Motley Crue and everything of that sort. the first time i ever heard a motley crue song was when my dad put on a motley cd in the car on the way to guitar center. it was girls, girls, girls. i always thought it was cool, the whole edgy, devilish look of hair metal bands. was i listening to any lyrics? no. i was 7. but i knew from the beginning of wild side that i had found what makes me happy, which is music. do i still absolutely love Nikki and motleys music? yes. absolutely. but, i am 14 now and i now know the things that come along with rock n roll. but , these things dont really affect it for me, i think this is because i love the music so much (escpecially glam/hair metal) that i can ignore it. i mean i grew up with my dad pretty much worshiping van halen. its ingrained into me at this point. motley, guns n roses, ratt, van halen, skid row, you name it, ive listened to it for years. even though i dont agree with the ideologies of rock and roll i still love it so much and hope it lives on because lets be honest, my generation hasnt come out with anything good.
Hard to swallow but the romantisation is sooo real. (Im a sixteen year old upper middle class white girl I am kinda preconditioned to love The Beatles. (Thanks mum) like seriously...) No lie in the end I literally like women but i have the biggest crush on Paul McCartney (who was 11 when my GRANFATHER was born - concerrning anyway...)
I don’t think POC are perceived as dirty when doing this look, Naomi Campbell has done this look a lot and no one called her dirty, I think you need to get out of ur american bubble because in every other country aside from the divisive America, POC looking like a grunge girl is VERY glamourised esp in London. I hate this ideology forced down everyone’s throat that POC are always a victim to white people, we aren’t esp when black people popularised the whole rockstar gf look
thank you for your perspective! bc when you look up “rock star girlfriend” it’s 99% white girls, i wanted to point out why that may be. POC in the US have historically been seen as “dirtier” than white people, especially in the hippie van lifestyle people have popularized. thank you for pointing this out and i’ll try to do better next time 💕
plus Naomi campbell faces TONS of racism, being seen as overly agressive and demanding. it’s awful bc other models like Kate Moss who embodied a similar aesthetic were praised for being “badass”. plus Kate Moss is considered the rock star girlfriend when Naomi Campbell also had that aesthetic but didn’t get nearly the same amount of credit for it as Kate did
@@dionthetaurus Kate moss was also called coke mess she wasn’t just praised u need to acc stop presenting ur opinions as facts, theres good n bad to everything same as yin and yang - balance, stop discrediting the good n hyper fixating on the bad, I just wish Americans had the opportunity to understand other cultures before making sweeping statements
@@hentai7444 i don’t think i discredited the good but i’m sorry that i did! again, seeing all the examples of “rockstar girlfriend” it was all very white women with very few POC. this was in the research i did on the subject. it was hard to find POC examples on tiktok, pinterest, and in culture outside of Mayte Garcia and Bianca Jagger and some others. but Europe has MASSIVE racism issues as well and to act like America is the only county to act like this is to ignore all the BS racist xenophobic shit Europe has done and continues to do. Europe is not immune and making sweeping statements about the US is just as bad as me making sweeping statements about the rockstar girlfriend.
Germany is hugely racist, the UK, Scandinavia have huge xenophobic issues. and in THIS PARTICULAR AESTHETIC you don’t see POC. in spending days researching this specific aesthetic (not London Punk or emo) there wasn’t a lot of POC representation. i’m not talking out of my ass, my videos are known for being inclusive and i had to state that it was hard to find POC and plus sized examples bc it’s not that common in this aesthetic. please don’t discredit my hard work just because you have a different view. we can agree to disagree. but don’t act like my country is the only racist country considering Europe is just as bad.
As classic rock fan let me correct you. Chuck Berry INVENTED rock n’ roll. Elvis POPULARIZED it and to say he adopted Berry’s personality and gained stardom just for being white is extremely ignorant. He gave credit where credit was due, and helped other black musicians. Look at interview of Little Richard where he talks about Elvis. To discredit Elvis’ influence and talent just because he’s white is utterly disrespectful.
i never said he wasn’t talented, but being a good looking white guy playing traditionally african american music definitely helped his career. to act like his whiteness didn’t get him half way there over the heads of Chuck Berry and other black artists is also ~disrespectful~
I LOVE your videos but stop spreading lies about John Lennon. Both of his wives said he wasn't abusive and he had done a lot of things to prove he wasn't misogynistic and racist. He did treat his son very poorly though. Overall your video is amazing but i just thought i should point this out
@@dionthetaurus Well talking abt misogyny i think it would be little misogynistic to listen to his 60 year old from experience he had when he was literally 4 and not his OWN WIVES about what THEY went through. He was a cheater, but never hurt his family physically and he wasn't alcoholic. I haven't heard abt the rage part though so idk anything abt it.
I don't wanna be the rockstar's girlfriend, i wanna be the rockstar.
Why are you all styled like how we grew Up plus Our Parent's Cultures ?
As a rocker girl (in a band and all) the tiktok girls really like to mesh up rockstar who's a GIRL with rockstar girlfriend aesthetic....like tiktok people really show off girls from the Runaways and be like "omg rockstar gf aesthetic" like no, they WERE the rockstars
Edit: Great video btw, I enjoyed it
awww thank u!!!
I love that you put photos from Victoria from Maneskin in this vid, yes she exudes that vibe but she's the rockstar HERSELF 🪐🤎
yes! i meant to say that but i refilmed this so many time i think i forgot to say it in the final cut 😅
No problem! 💚
Exaaactly, I love the rockstar girlfriend aesthetic, but I'm a musician myself XD
as a Latina who loves aesthetics closer to the grungy side of things, one of my biggest fears is being perceived as dirty in a non-pretty white model way because of how I dress. so even though the rock star girlfriend aesthetic is something I love, I can't see myself letting myself get into that because of the stereotypes I'd be reinforcing which sucks. Specifically, black and Latino people are stereotyped as such, so I see why many black and Latina women would be hesitant to get into the style.
Great vid though, you 100 % deserve more subs!! can't wait for more vids like this
thank you for your comment! i totally understand this perspective, i tried to mention it when talking about Bianca Jagger but it’s a big problem. whites can get away with not showering or being grungy for the aesthetic but with POC it’s an uphill battle bc of internalized racism
I totally understand this! As an Asian female some people can see me as a “has issues” type of person for dressing grungy.
i really like this aesthetic and i want to go into it without be preserved as ghetto or scary cause i’m black i don’t dress nice and i never express myself because of the aesthetics that i like will put me into a stereotype or the aesthetic isn’t excepting of POC i really really really want be a part of an aesthetic like this so i can express myself 😭👊🏾
@@twinstars4820 my heart breaks for this!!! YOU deserve to express yourself without judgement or fear
omg! Ive always loved this style but didnt know what it was called. Im latina too so i feel you on the looking dirty part lol.
The romanticization of cigarette smoking also looks problematic.
for sureeee
As someone in the local rock and pop punky music scene it’s very much everywhere in the songs in people. Everhone smokes and it’s not good idk it’s one of the negatives of the lifestyle
It’s nothing new. Been around for centuries
Its so strange that cigarettes become sort if character trate lake hoooow
It’s yummy though
I feel like I have the rockstar girlfriend aesthetic but I under no circumstances like the problematic aspects of the aesthetic
and yes I am so happy u talked about how rockstar girlfriends should be switched to being empowering rather than just an accessory to the rockstar
anyways I absolutely loved this video
awww thank you so much!!!
I feel like this style is more of “I’m the girlfriend who is a rockstar” than “im the rockstars gf” tbh
Right she IS the rockstar herself
Fr that’s what I believe
Im a Black woman and i dress like it anyways. My people created the damn genre so we should be able to enjoy it regardless of social biases 🤷
YES THIS ENERGY ALWAYS👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Okay this sort of content is really where you thrive, your references and knowledge of pop culture are unmatched
ahhhh thank you so much!!!
i’m arab and this aesthetic is totally opposite of anything my culture could go for and obviously i’m a tan girl with dark hair, dark eyebrows, etc. and though i’ve LOVED this style and this music for so long, i have always thought this was strictly for white women and always shy’d away from it but as i’m growing up, i’m learning that that women of color are just as beautiful and accepted in any aesthetic. loved this video, thank you :)
yes!!! music is for everyone and fashion is for everyone, anybody can be a rockstar girlfriend 🔥
The early Stones girls were the quintessential rockstar gfs. Anita Pallenberg and Marianne Faithfull invented the androgynous look among groupies imo
yes! i came across them in my “research” lol but i had so much to cover i had to cut like 15mins worth of cottage out 😭 thank you for pointing this out tho!
ive been obsessed w this aesthetic for years. literally made it my whole personality trait I WANT IT SO BAD
ahhhh same!!
I love your videos and I really appreciate the fact that you try to be so inclusive it makes me feel seen! I also think that Zoe Kravitz, Lisa Bonet and Anok yai are WOC that fit the aesthetic, I personally take a lot of inspiration from them
wow thank you so much for your comment!! Lisa Bonet for SURE, and Zoe Kravitz would’ve been a great one to include as well! I’m thinking of doing a whole video on Lisa Bonet because she’s an icon👀👀👀
holy shit i was looking for this yesterday and i see this pop up today. i've always been into this aesthetic but never had a word for it. to me they're making the most out of their life, creative and pursuing their passion. she's independent; a femme fatale. something about her draws people to her, probably the sense of mystery and charm in her air & she treats those people with kindness and empathy.
in terms of 'aesthetic', this has been around for ages without a proper label on pinterest & tumblr - gritty photos taken in the dark on film, very sexy & not trying too hard with a vintage but personal sense of fashion; almost a mix of model off duty and the riot grrrl & rock aesthetics.
love this video tho, i've never had one completely describe my sense of style and aesthetic. hope your channel sees all the love and support you deserve
i love this take! i would love for the rockstar gf to get away from the misogyny and more towards empowerment ✨ thank you for he sweet comment!
@@dionthetaurus i forgot to add this but as a person of colour i love how much you emphasized on how different the experience was based on race. i hope the aesthetic puts more emphasis on the women and their individual talents & personalities instead of making it all about the man and what the man copped.
@@rwitabina thank you so much for seeing the effort i put in! i want my style videos to be for everyone and i want everyone to see themselves in my videos 🧡
As someone who's Romani, I find it very hard to find a style that I like and makes me feel good, without falling into the "dirty gypsy" stereotype. But I absolutely love this aesthetic and think that it's a very open aesthetic and has the potential to flourish into a bigger aesthetic and fashion movement.
yes i agree!! i’m sorry you feel that pressure to combat stereotypes and i think you’d kill it as the rockstar girlfriend!
Love your content Dion! I think the rockstar lady is a much cooler aesthetic , it would be interesting to see a video focusing on the potentials of exploring that style . There are still issues of course but the fashion? There have been so many iconic looks from women in rock
yes! i would love to do a video about iconic women in rock and roll 💪🏼
This video is so well done!! I'm currently obsessed with this aesthetic but I do agree that there are some aspects that should not be romanticized like cigarette smoking, eating disorders, lack of representation, etc. I love your videos and you can really see how much hard work you put into them
awww thank you so much!!!
The sad thing about being an aesthetic bound person is getting lost in it. Your personality shouldn't be based on how you dress, if you're hardcore it comes off naturally but if you don't feel that way you shouldn't make it who you are to do certain things you don't like; drug abuse, physical and mental. Be yourself and the things you like about the aesthetic will just roll into your life no matter your colour or size. Also remember that the more time you put into your hobbies and passions the stronger you become. Don't k*!l yourself for an aesthetic!!!!
Now I ask you---was that not marvelous? I liked this BETTER than "Coquette" and I really didn't think I would ever say that. Everything that made "Coquette" so special, the evident preparation, the tutorial note reading, the tone of your voice, were present here and at your ending, "Would I risk it all to date Jon Bon Jovi or Mick Jagger? You bet your ass.", I clapped spontaneously. The downsides of this trope, the 14-18 year old girls, I didn't even know about. This is truly ew gross (and criminal for half of those ages). The drug usage, yeah, that does go with the territory. Your suggestions of how to rehabilitate the rock star image girlfriend are in line with he vague image I had in my head of the Ideal (which I didn't even know was in my head until this video). You say "powerful". In my notes on this vid I wrote several times "independent." With either the R.S.G. can say "No." No to being just arm candy; no to taking ALL the drugs. Kate Moss, who you mention, is the instantiation of my ideal: too glamorous to dress glamorously in public--"That's my day job!", too beautiful to be ostentatious dressing it--"black, white, red": yes--too independent to be threatened by philandering, "Yeah, I sleep with other guys?" You mentioned several rock star--girlfriend couples and in your "problems" section dissected them, one being the lack of women of color and plus-size R.S.G.'s. As you were going through the couples I was thinking and wrote down some, I won't lengthen this comment with them as I rejected them, but one I thought of as I wrote this, one couple that meets your empathetic, ethical "on the other hand". Dions and Peons I give you Iman and David Bowie..."Would I risk it all? You bet your ass."--that should be on a monument somewhere.
oh thank you so much!
Honestly in general rock stars or just celebrities are terrible people to date, yeah at first glance their charisma, fame, looks and many is enticing to many but with them being put on a pedestal gives them inflated egos and they will have more power in the dynamics due to their fame, having way too many choices so they probably won’t treat anyone they date as special since there would also be more people that would want them, substance abuse due to their stressful lives, like in the long run terrible to date
truly
Just found your channel through your coquette aesthetic video! Love this content. Fun fact about Priscilla's hair- she always says Elvis made her dye it to his preference and to this day Tura Satana (the Japanese American dancer/actress/martial artist that he dated/allegedly proposed to before Priscilla) claims she shaped his attraction to long voluminous dark hair and heavy makeup. She says a lot of dubious things, so not necessarily a trustworthy source, but it is sort of entertaining to imagine that to be true.
One note though as a fellow lover of commentary TH-cam and a Memphis native with deep ties to the delta blues tradition - when it comes to early Rock history (e.g. the intricate process of synthesis between black gospel music, black soul music, and white hillbilly music, folk hymns and early country) commentary YT seems to have a flawed methodology of making sweeping statements without citing music historians specifically or experts on the artists in question, the artists themselves, or even their contemporaries. Southern music culture, which has never been linear as these statements suggest, is hard to understand without digging deeply into primary sources. B.B King, Jackie Wilson, Chuck Berry, Little Richard, and experts at the Stax Museum, National Civil Rights Museum, Graceland, and the Memphis Rock n' Soul Museum are better source material than admittedly very well-meaning analysts attempting to apply the modern urban music landscape to an era occupied by poor southern sharecroppers and their sons and daughters. Sorry to nitpick, but it irks me since we rarely get consulted on such things as these sweeping notions become passed around as if they are just fundamental truths. It is an ongoing issue between music historians/pop culture historians and pop sociologists.
Keep up the cool content! Can't wait to see what else you create!!
thanks! there’s only so much i can do considering the time frame and i wanted to focus on fashion rather than music history, but i do LOVE music history and appreciate the feedback!
I almost never comment on anything but this is a great video n you deserve WAY more subscribers. Please do more of these! 😁🖤
wow thank you so much i am honored!!
WOW! I just found your videos and I love your take on different fashion styles! I especially like how you try to include examples of all skin tones and body types. I'm size 16 and when I saw that pic of the plus size woman in leopard print I was like holy shit I could pull this off if I wanted to because she looks KICKASS.
Thank you for posting this! ps. do goth or punk style next! :)
AHHH THIS MAKES ME SO HAPPY! i make a really conscious effort to be inclusive and i always appreciate feedback as to how i can be better. that leopard outfit is SO HOT! goth/punk would be so cool to do!!
I think the fact the the coquette aesthetic and the rock star girlfriend aesthetic are linked because actress Dominique Swain played in the Movie Lolita, and also the movie Girl.
oh man i didn’t know that! thanks for sharing 🧡
@@dionthetaurus I think both movies are still on tubi.
beabadoobee is my fav representation of a woc with the rockstar aesthetic!!
ooooh thank you!!! i know the coffee song by them but didn’t know they were WOC! sososo good to know thank you for sharing!!!!
@@dionthetaurus ya she is pinoy/filipina and raised in the uk. she just did a grwm video with vogue, i am so proud of her :')
I thought for the longest time that it was the girlfriend who was the rockstar, as in "that's my girlfriend, she's a rockstar", not rockstar's girlfriend :/
I really appreciate you sharing your critiques on this aesthetic. I loved partaking in this aesthetic back in like 2013/2014 tumblr days but remember always feeling left out because it seemed very exclusive to white women with a certain body type. Even when I would go to concerts of bands that had this aesthetic I was one of the very few non-white people there lol
I’m still inspired by this style but have made it my own which I’m very happy about.
Should have mentioned Alexa Chung, Camille Cheririe, Camille Rowe and Stella Maxwell
just found u this morning n love u. the way i try to explain this to everyone at the radio station i work at. “it’s bad bc xyz but yes i would risk it all for steven tyler, understand the dichotomy” 😭
exactly. did the rolling stones groom a lot of young women? yes. will i sacrifice my family to sleep with mick jagger? also yes. it’s about balance
I really love how you are so honest and how you link the looks with the whole cultural narrative behind them
GIRL WHEN YOU SHOWED JBJ I SCREAMED 😩😩😩 finally someone agrees w me
Please make style analysis for “korean tomboy fashion”
oooh never heard of that! i’ll have to look into it
the rockstar gf aesthetic brings back lots of memories someone who was almost one at that she and her band wasnt as big as they are now and it was a time in japan where visual kei and rock were at their peak but they were getting popular we were girlfriends but werent friends either sneaky links if you will we had to keep it a secret bc asia is pretty homophobic and she was a public figure we def had potential and chemistry she was really sweet bought me things and food she used to say that she loves me but she probs was just playing bc she was flirting w other ppl too and was being a teen i believed at the time lmao but she gotten busy and i had uni and stuff but still to this day thats the most fun and romantic wattpad thing that has happened to me
WOW THIS IS SO CUTE! thank you for sharing i want this to be a short film
@@dionthetaurus thx u too and there a song in her discography that was about a first love being the one that got away she wrote it and i like to pretend its about me sometimes
she told me that i was the prettiest girl she ever met which still makes me confident even if she was bluffing bc shes surronded by pretty model and actresses and idol every day
@@yutohatesyou6491 wow a true little love story 🥺♥️
Great video , I love how you called out Paul McCartney. Would have love if you mentioned the fact that Elvis was a major predator and yet people only think of him in very positive light.
yes! priscilla was like 16 when they met!
@@dionthetaurus yes, he took her to Vegas and her parents didn't know, he had her prewrite notes that his secretary mailed while they were gone but all anyone remembers him as is the king of rock and roll.
oh wow, i expected way more comments on a video as good as this one!
your videos are SO well-made! truly enjoyable to watch.
and i admire your dedication to refilm the same bit 4 (four!!!) times 😶🌫️ i would have regequit for sure 🤣
looking forward to your future videos!
i’ve subscribed instantly after watching your “Coquette” video. I hadn’t even heard about this aesthetic until I watched Mina’s video, then tried to find out more about it and your video was hands down the BEST. the content, the diversity, THE CORRECT GRAMMAR WHEN YOU ARE SPEAKING (😅 the struggle on YT is real), your tone of voice and the speed with which you are speaking - everything is absolutely perfect.
thank you for putting so much hard work into your content! 💗💗💗 it shows 💗
WOWOWOWOW thank you SO MUCH! i put so much work into these so comments like this make my day💕
@@dionthetaurus your videos are honestly quality content. amazing job! 👏💗
I need to declare it: this is one of the greatest videos about the subject I've ever seen. The screenplay is very dynamic, informative, and you have this charming presence, girl next door-ish vibe, the kind of person we want to be friends with. Each minute so delicious to watch. Keep doing your thing, you are sparkle!! ♥
supermodel by maneskin is the PERFECT song for this aesthetic omgg
lyrics
Alone at parties in a deadly silhouette
She loves the cocaine, but cocaine don't love her back
When she's upset she talks to Maury and takes deep breaths
She's a 90s supermodel, oh-oh-oh
Way back in high school, when she was a good Christian
I used to know her, but she's got a new best friend
A drag queen named The Virgin Mary takes confessions
She's a 90s supermodel
Yeah, she's a monster, my compliments
If you wanna love her, just deal with that
She'll never love you, more than money and cigarettes
Every night's a heartbreak
Hey, don't think about it
Hey, just let it go
'Cause her boyfriend is the rock 'n ' roll
Savor every moment 'til she has to go
'Cause her boyfriend is the rock 'n' roll
Alone at parties, she's working around the clock
When you're not looking, she's stealing your Basquiat
Low waisted pants on OnlyFans, I'd pay for that
She's a 90s supermodel
Yeah, she's a monster, my compliments
If you wanna love her, just deal with that
She'll never love you, you just look a bit like her dad
Every night's a heartbreak
Hey, don't think about it
Hey, just let it go
'Cause her boyfriend is the rock 'n' roll
Savor every moment, 'til she has to go
'Cause her boyfriend is the rock 'n' roll
She's a 90s supermodel, oh, oh, oh
She's a 90s supermodel, oh, oh, oh
Okay
yes i love them!!!
my favorite song by them!!
i prefer the groupie aesthetic that is more based on 60s/70s fashion. and being a groupie or a rockstar girlfriend in those days wasn't about being skinny and smoking, i think that's more of the 90s and early 2000s model influence.
to be fair the 60s-70s groupies were typically very young teen girls 😭
@@dionthetaurus not all of them. and there have been young teen groupies in every decade. either way, what i meant with my comment is that i prefer the vibe, fashion and the music of that era. i'm in no way romanticizing the baby groupies.
@@dionthetaurus so whats wrong w that day do musics
I don’t smoke but my style is a mix of the rockstar girlfriend and whimsigoth
I love this aesthetic from a look standpoint, but it romanticizes being not much more than a side piece. It also is the kind of aestetic that pushes like.. skinny culture. I like this aestetic because it honeslty makes me feel comfortable in my skin, even if i’m more of a curvy person. That’s why i think it should be considered something else, not rockstar girlfriend, something else
I wish we talked about Nancy spungen more when we talked about rock star girlfriends. She should be iconic for her style 😭
Ok but victoria is not the girlfriend, she’s the rockstar
yeah i mentioned that lol
@@dionthetaurus Oh my bad, didn’t catch that part
What about Bebe Buell (Liv Tyler's mom/ Steven Tyler's baby mama), Pamela Des Barres, Lori Maddox, and Sable Starr?
Woooow!
This pin points my 16-21y.o. me so well. I never felt that I belonged that much to the 2014 Tumblr Grunge, because this was it for me! And I definitely agree on all the negative aspects you mentioned. Those shaped me and formed my personality in a really bad way. I had to learn to stand up for myself and to acknowledge my boarders the really hard way, because I was so messed up with those misogynistic and harmful ideas of how a woman should behave.
This video is it for me, this is therapy!
Thank you soooo much!
Short history: First I loved the sound of old rock music, like Queen, the Doors, Guns n Roses,... Then I discovered Tumblr, which had a community of praising these old Rockstars. Paired with the destructive Tumblr Grunge, and the ideal of a groupie girlfriend, that was a toxic ride. Still love the music to this day, but I threw away this mindset. Please stay safe everyone and just do what you are comfortable with!!!
I'm poc and I have this aesthetic!! Anyone else??
YES!! love this
i literally love this style so muchhhh!!
thank youuu
this was such a great, concise exploration and discussion of the style!! props to you
awww thank you!!
Loving these style videos. Specifically the history and photos
tysm!!!
Amazing análisis, the history is the look, the backround is similar in any musical style or cultural place with that macho money powrr submision
thank you so much! and i agree. boys with traumatic childhood + fame money power = machismo man child with addiction issues
just gonna say this rn, i love the rockstar who IS a gf aesthetic not the gf OF a rockstar aesthetic
i once saw a girl on tiktok call taylor momsen "rockstar gf" and it almost gave me a stroke
i love ur video SM!!!! 💗💗 i was looking for a video abt rockstar gfs & i’m SO happy that i found u. u explain everything so well and I luv how u call out elvis presley & john lennon!! so happy ur bringing it up! it matters to me sm that u acknowledged the problems POC face within this aesthetic, makes me happy u stood ur ground w/ that person in the comments abt the racism POC face within this aesthetic :) pls keep making videos & doing u
thank you so much! i’m happy that i was forced to further explain myself about the double standard, i don’t think i did the best job at it in the video
I am kinda getting burned out on everyone always talking about problematic things in everything we do or consume nowadays. I don’t care if some people think the rockstar gf aesthetic is sexist or problematic. I just like it for the makeup, outfits, and creativity
same like lol who cares, I'm obvi not glorifying the neg aspects of It
13:11 so sweet little sixteen is... *Lots of rage and disappointment* why does this always has to happen... First I've got a woman and then this one *more rage and disappointment*
Love to see the effort put in your vids. excited to be one of the first to see them. these will blow up !
thank you so much🥺🥺
i just found you and i’m obsessed
aawwwww yeah ty!!
Realising I'm commenting ages after this got posted, but really liked this video! I'm still skirting around the edges of this style and trying to pick what I like from to create a kind of 'rockstar boyfriend' aesthetic that works for me (which is v hard to figure out as a plus sized guy who can't really pull off 'androgynous' and doesn't want to), but the section on fundamentals was v helpful! Also loved how you contextualised the style and properly discussed the messy nature of it. Idk, maybe there's something subversive in me wanting to do a boyfriend version of the girlfriend look.
How about Pamela Courson, who was Jim Morrison’s girlfriend?
this video was OUTSTANDING!!!!
Bobbi brown!!!
This aesthetic should call it “rockstar girl” bc I hasn’t to be necessary being straight to dress like that and some people are single.
This is a great video! Could you make a video analyzing the “rockstar chick” aesthetic too?
Just subscribed I loved this ❤️
awww thank you!!
They can just stay with the goth vibes and leave it there
I see 2 videos of this channel and I love the contents. Girl, you have a new sub ✨
Sorry if my english is not good, I continue learning :")
Saludos desde Perú ❤
omg thank you so much!!!
The way almost all of those tiktoks featured Vic De Angelis
okay so, ive basically been in love with Nikki Sixx since i was about 6 or 7 years old. i was raised around all things harley davidson, Motley Crue and everything of that sort. the first time i ever heard a motley crue song was when my dad put on a motley cd in the car on the way to guitar center. it was girls, girls, girls. i always thought it was cool, the whole edgy, devilish look of hair metal bands. was i listening to any lyrics? no. i was 7. but i knew from the beginning of wild side that i had found what makes me happy, which is music. do i still absolutely love Nikki and motleys music? yes. absolutely. but, i am 14 now and i now know the things that come along with rock n roll. but , these things dont really affect it for me, i think this is because i love the music so much (escpecially glam/hair metal) that i can ignore it. i mean i grew up with my dad pretty much worshiping van halen. its ingrained into me at this point. motley, guns n roses, ratt, van halen, skid row, you name it, ive listened to it for years. even though i dont agree with the ideologies of rock and roll i still love it so much and hope it lives on because lets be honest, my generation hasnt come out with anything good.
I think the problem is not the aesthetic, it is the lifestyle
Where’s Alexa Chung? She’s the definition of rock star girlfriend. Maybe not so relevant now but was definitely influential in the 2010s
she was very much featured in my indie sleaze video!
What’s the song at 8:51 ??????? Please help!!
It sounds like a slowed version of National Anthem but I can’t really find it
Hard to swallow but the romantisation is sooo real. (Im a sixteen year old upper middle class white girl I am kinda preconditioned to love The Beatles. (Thanks mum) like seriously...) No lie in the end I literally like women but i have the biggest crush on Paul McCartney (who was 11 when my GRANFATHER was born - concerrning anyway...)
Anita Pallenberg. You can’t mention Kate Moss without mentioning her
So surprised you didn't mention Tura Sutana, who Priscilla Presley based her whole look after. Pamela DesBarres is also iconic.💕💕
rose mcgowan in her relationship with marilyn manson
thank you so much!!!
The Motley crue autobiography both book and movie 'the dirt" is pure mysoginy repackaged. These men are abusers
Penny Lane was based off of Pamela Des Barres who was 19 when she started being a groupie.
yes i misspoke! i got it confused with Lori Mattix
GREAT VIDEO
thank you so much!!!
I believe all the cigarette smoking went hand-in-hand with all the Coke use and I don’t mean Coca-Cola
I don’t think POC are perceived as dirty when doing this look, Naomi Campbell has done this look a lot and no one called her dirty, I think you need to get out of ur american bubble because in every other country aside from the divisive America, POC looking like a grunge girl is VERY glamourised esp in London. I hate this ideology forced down everyone’s throat that POC are always a victim to white people, we aren’t esp when black people popularised the whole rockstar gf look
thank you for your perspective! bc when you look up “rock star girlfriend” it’s 99% white girls, i wanted to point out why that may be. POC in the US have historically been seen as “dirtier” than white people, especially in the hippie van lifestyle people have popularized. thank you for pointing this out and i’ll try to do better next time 💕
plus Naomi campbell faces TONS of racism, being seen as overly agressive and demanding. it’s awful bc other models like Kate Moss who embodied a similar aesthetic were praised for being “badass”. plus Kate Moss is considered the rock star girlfriend when Naomi Campbell also had that aesthetic but didn’t get nearly the same amount of credit for it as Kate did
@@dionthetaurus Kate moss was also called coke mess she wasn’t just praised u need to acc stop presenting ur opinions as facts, theres good n bad to everything same as yin and yang - balance, stop discrediting the good n hyper fixating on the bad, I just wish Americans had the opportunity to understand other cultures before making sweeping statements
@@hentai7444 i don’t think i discredited the good but i’m sorry that i did! again, seeing all the examples of “rockstar girlfriend” it was all very white women with very few POC. this was in the research i did on the subject. it was hard to find POC examples on tiktok, pinterest, and in culture outside of Mayte Garcia and Bianca Jagger and some others. but Europe has MASSIVE racism issues as well and to act like America is the only county to act like this is to ignore all the BS racist xenophobic shit Europe has done and continues to do. Europe is not immune and making sweeping statements about the US is just as bad as me making sweeping statements about the rockstar girlfriend.
Germany is hugely racist, the UK, Scandinavia have huge xenophobic issues. and in THIS PARTICULAR AESTHETIC you don’t see POC. in spending days researching this specific aesthetic (not London Punk or emo) there wasn’t a lot of POC representation. i’m not talking out of my ass, my videos are known for being inclusive and i had to state that it was hard to find POC and plus sized examples bc it’s not that common in this aesthetic. please don’t discredit my hard work just because you have a different view. we can agree to disagree. but don’t act like my country is the only racist country considering Europe is just as bad.
actually the blueprint ist anita pallenberg
what's the song at 8:50 ? pleassseee I really need to know
i love the rockstar's girlfriend aesthetic, but for some reason, being almost 21, ive convinced myself im too old- which is just problematic
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Kourtney kardashian lol
Megan fox too than I guess 💀💀💀
You lowkey look like lana del rey
omg WHAT A COMPLIMENT! people use to say that in highschool 😂
As classic rock fan let me correct you. Chuck Berry INVENTED rock n’ roll. Elvis POPULARIZED it and to say he adopted Berry’s personality and gained stardom just for being white is extremely ignorant. He gave credit where credit was due, and helped other black musicians. Look at interview of Little Richard where he talks about Elvis. To discredit Elvis’ influence and talent just because he’s white is utterly disrespectful.
i never said he wasn’t talented, but being a good looking white guy playing traditionally african american music definitely helped his career. to act like his whiteness didn’t get him half way there over the heads of Chuck Berry and other black artists is also ~disrespectful~
Stop being woke. It is cringe.
ahhh yes critical thinking = being woke ur so right
I LOVE your videos but stop spreading lies about John Lennon.
Both of his wives said he wasn't abusive and he had done a lot of things to prove he wasn't misogynistic and racist. He did treat his son very poorly though.
Overall your video is amazing but i just thought i should point this out
bahahahaha tell that to Julien Lennon who often talked about his fathers rage and cheating and alcoholism😭
@@dionthetaurus Well talking abt misogyny i think it would be little misogynistic to listen to his 60 year old from experience he had when he was literally 4 and not his OWN WIVES about what THEY went through. He was a cheater, but never hurt his family physically and he wasn't alcoholic. I haven't heard abt the rage part though so idk anything abt it.
you had me till u said that shit about John lennon
bruh he wasn’t a good person😭 it sucks and he went thru a lot but still
she’s right about him