That’s a HARDCORE WORKOUT! Lots a weight and those machines are chain mechanism! Probably feel every bit of the weight he was lifting. On top of basically Zero rest!
3 decades I lifted following hit principals... great results...ironically I never encountered any of the og equipment ever...if I was rich I'd buy the whole set for my gym and follow 2-3 day a wk principle just like this video... now I'm injured and weights will never be the same.
yeah his form is not perfect but that's realistic, when you actually do HIT with heavy loads is very hard to focus on the form because of the intensity, at least for the folks who are not patient but they have increased risk of injuries - that's the payoff!
This is a good reference of what "to failure" means on these Metnzer protocols. You can almost see the glycogen fleeing from his muscles. Looks brutal.
Gentlemen, although it hasn't been very long since I've started working out with intensity and consistency, I have seen or think I have seen improvement in strength and possibly size. How will I know if I should switch to the "consolidated" program, as I am an individual who I believe is of the body type Mike described who could benefit from such a program? Thank you, everyone, especially Mr. Little for uploading these videos!
It depends - for me the consulidation program is deload practically. For you may not be because everyone has different recovery needs, trial & error is king - start the Consulidation with 3 full days rest between the sessions and if you don't get stronger after a month increase the rest day to 4 and so on till you find your frequency. The ideal routine of Mike is also very good again starting with 3 full days between the sessions.
I believe that Mike had two main high intensity training programs. One is the famous Heavy Duty, which contains the supersets. The other one is a full body workout
Really nice to see those videos, cheers! I have reason to believe that Boyer is actually natural during those videos, heard that Arthur Jones didn't like steroids... Even if he was on gear doesn't look he took loads like the guys nowadays which shows that more is not always better 🤔
interesting to me that he said 'aiming for 10 reps' and then he doesn't tell Boyer to slow down. I'm thinking that it is a tad later where Mentzer shifted moreso to slightly slower reps and just going to complete failure(?). That vid where he's training Marcus somethingorother, Mentzer looks a tad older in the latter vid.
This video was shot in 1983. The one with Markus Reinhardt was shot in 2001. You are correct in that Mike believed in a slower, more controlled protocol later on. He started implementing this belief in the mid 1990s. In this video he is supervising Boyer’s workout according to the guidelines that Arthur Jones wanted Boyer to use.
40* Chest Shoulder 11 reps in 37 seconds = 3.4 seconds per rep. Not exactly the protocol that Arthur was promoting (up 2, pause 1, lower 4 = 7 seconds per rep) but intensity still looked good. The risk of injury was unnecessarily high during these exercises because of a lack of awareness of the risk. Throwing weight instead of lifting it is a hard habit to break.
what would warmup be for this workout? in mentzers optimal routine he had clients doing 2 warmup sets, so wonderind how he "warms" up the full body for this.
Back in the Nautilus days, the warm-up was built into each set, given that the reps leading up to momentary muscular failure were submaximal, so each successive rep warmed up the muscle more. They didn’t do a separate warm-up routine. Once the body temperature was raised and blood was circulating throughout the body, they felt sufficiently warmed up to proceed through the workout.
John if you have any videos of Ray or Mike working together we all want to see is gonna go very crazy everbody even popular guys gonna make video how they training i think this is the chance
that first thing is cool. I've never seen it. So much better than the worthless 'kick back' thing my gym has. I don't use it. I don't feel like putting my butt in the air and doing kickbacks. This works the same glutes, but in a normal looking way.
That kickback one works the quads and glutes and my bro called it the “butt machine” lol He was like, you want glutes well there is always the “butt machine” in the corner and my coworkers were very confused. 😂
@@NewDaySon37 my gym did replace everything with mediocre 'technogym' equipment. But some of it is plate loaded, and the plate loaded stuff is good. There is a more 'modestly' set up plate loaded kickback, and I've actually used it a bit with the hopes it might help some lower back/upper butt type nerve issues. I"m not sure if it's helping. I'm not doing huge weight with it, not sure if I'll keep using it.
MILESTONE. 🤍🌟No fancy moves or angles . No tons of sets or reps. Just simple. Heavy. Efficient. Till you can do your last rep. AND ALL HAPPENS IN THE REST. (adding proper nutrition) That’s Menzter in his extreme substance. That’s will never change how our body adapts to a CERTAIN KIND OF (mechanical) STRESS and IT WILL WORK FOR EVER.🔝👍🏻👊🏻
Some of these machines I have never seen before. Wow.
And unfortunately, you will never see them again, other than videos like this. What I wouldn't give to have access to equipment like this.
@@cdcaleo dorian yates to this day always trains ppl on the nauticus back pullover machine he swears its the best one ever for lats
I miss this equipment
I know. Those were the days. 🎉
I know there’s footage of Mike training a full workout out there somewhere. I can’t wait to see it.
This would be awesome to see!
There isn’t any unfortunately.
@@Lonewolf__666 that's pure evil. apologise right now
@@NorseCode.81 the Devil 😈 never apologizes 🤣
There is! I have a YT playlist with it if you’d like the link! Full upper body workout done by Mike during his prime along with footage of Ray too!
Love this footage, inspiring!
Love these videos. Keep them coming.
That’s a HARDCORE WORKOUT! Lots a weight and those machines are chain mechanism! Probably feel every bit of the weight he was lifting. On top of basically Zero rest!
3 decades I lifted following hit principals... great results...ironically I never encountered any of the og equipment ever...if I was rich I'd buy the whole set for my gym and follow 2-3 day a wk principle just like this video... now I'm injured and weights will never be the same.
This is one brutal workout
That “pulldown” back rest goes way up to the sky
yeah his form is not perfect but that's realistic, when you actually do HIT with heavy loads is very hard to focus on the form because of the intensity, at least for the folks who are not patient but they have increased risk of injuries - that's the payoff!
@@DB_Muscle what the f r u taöking about.
He means the pad in the back which is 2 Meter long
Yeah, when I look at that I can only imagine Arthur made the machine with some REAL GUYS in mind lol
These machines are a thing of beauty.
Boyer's lats are insane
My local ymca reopened with all brand new cybex machines with the same classic tan upholstery. Pretty sweet equipment
I wish they had some of these machines in my gym.
this biceps machine is classic 🇧🇷
What I'd give to have a Nautilis Duo Leg Machine.
This is a good reference of what "to failure" means on these Metnzer protocols. You can almost see the glycogen fleeing from his muscles. Looks brutal.
I would really like to train with these machines.
Gentlemen, although it hasn't been very long since I've started working out with intensity and consistency, I have seen or think I have seen improvement in strength and possibly size.
How will I know if I should switch to the "consolidated" program, as I am an individual who I believe is of the body type Mike described who could benefit from such a program?
Thank you, everyone, especially Mr. Little for uploading these videos!
It depends - for me the consulidation program is deload practically. For you may not be because everyone has different recovery needs, trial & error is king - start the Consulidation with 3 full days rest between the sessions and if you don't get stronger after a month increase the rest day to 4 and so on till you find your frequency.
The ideal routine of Mike is also very good again starting with 3 full days between the sessions.
2:09 😂 I did lose count at one point lol. I love Mike such a joker
When Mike said superset i thought he meant two exercises bro made Boyer do whole exercise a superset
I believe that Mike had two main high intensity training programs. One is the famous Heavy Duty, which contains the supersets. The other one is a full body workout
@@alexeicccp ahhhhh, i see
@@alexeicccp This is Arthur Jones's programme though. Mentzer was working there and just carrying it out.
12:20 thats literally the JM press motion but with a machine, fucking amazing
Jm press?
Really nice to see those videos, cheers!
I have reason to believe that Boyer is actually natural during those videos, heard that Arthur Jones didn't like steroids...
Even if he was on gear doesn't look he took loads like the guys nowadays which shows that more is not always better 🤔
I believe he was Natural here.
@@Lonewolf__666yeah looks like but he was strong dude anyways
the second machine, where the funk did those go? i haven't seen these in any gyms..
185kg with one leg thats insane
Boyer was strong. Full stack at chest fly machine😮
Nautilus was hugely popular in the 80s then they just seemed to vanish.
Didn’t Arthur Jones son carry on with hammer strength?
Wondering if that leg machine exist today? With a seat belt and chain driven.
Are these the 1st generation of Nautilus machines?
How many days off was he taking between workouts?
I need comfy pants like Mike's
was boyer retired in these videos?
interesting to me that he said 'aiming for 10 reps' and then he doesn't tell Boyer to slow down. I'm thinking that it is a tad later where Mentzer shifted moreso to slightly slower reps and just going to complete failure(?). That vid where he's training Marcus somethingorother, Mentzer looks a tad older in the latter vid.
This video was shot in 1983. The one with Markus Reinhardt was shot in 2001. You are correct in that Mike believed in a slower, more controlled protocol later on. He started implementing this belief in the mid 1990s. In this video he is supervising Boyer’s workout according to the guidelines that Arthur Jones wanted Boyer to use.
40* Chest Shoulder 11 reps in 37 seconds = 3.4 seconds per rep. Not exactly the protocol that Arthur was promoting (up 2, pause 1, lower 4 = 7 seconds per rep) but intensity still looked good. The risk of injury was unnecessarily high during these exercises because of a lack of awareness of the risk. Throwing weight instead of lifting it is a hard habit to break.
what would warmup be for this workout? in mentzers optimal routine he had clients doing 2 warmup sets, so wonderind how he "warms" up the full body for this.
Back in the Nautilus days, the warm-up was built into each set, given that the reps leading up to momentary muscular failure were submaximal, so each successive rep warmed up the muscle more. They didn’t do a separate warm-up routine. Once the body temperature was raised and blood was circulating throughout the body, they felt sufficiently warmed up to proceed through the workout.
@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE Oh alright, I will try giving that a try, as I'm trying out Arthur Jones fullbody workouts. Thanks for responding so quick.
John if you have any videos of Ray or Mike working together we all want to see is gonna go very crazy everbody even popular guys gonna make video how they training i think this is the chance
@@GeorgeForeman. I share what I have. So far, no such videos have been found.
Wonder how much those machines will go for nowadays?
We're there not warm ups?
mike counts the first couple reps a warmup
@docmar42011 that's working set weights
@ that is what Mike said. I know it’s not a proper warm up.
Why chest press is missing in this workout?
Arthur had prescribed two different workouts for Boyer. One of them had the chest press exercise, and the other one did not.
@@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE pullovers, chest flys and even lat pulldown gave him enough chest stimulation, I guess.
They even had seat belt
that first thing is cool. I've never seen it. So much better than the worthless 'kick back' thing my gym has. I don't use it. I don't feel like putting my butt in the air and doing kickbacks. This works the same glutes, but in a normal looking way.
That kickback one works the quads and glutes and my bro called it the “butt machine” lol
He was like, you want glutes well there is always the “butt machine” in the corner and my coworkers were very confused. 😂
@@NewDaySon37 my gym did replace everything with mediocre 'technogym' equipment. But some of it is plate loaded, and the plate loaded stuff is good. There is a more 'modestly' set up plate loaded kickback, and I've actually used it a bit with the hopes it might help some lower back/upper butt type nerve issues. I"m not sure if it's helping. I'm not doing huge weight with it, not sure if I'll keep using it.
Was Boyer Natural in this footage?
Where's the 4:2:4 tempo like Mike taught?😂
@@AleXus_81 This was a 1983. Some 13 years before Mike Mentzer created it.
This guy needs to catch his breath.
This guy's doing fst 7
That Lat pulldown looks garbage but the neutral grip shoulder press machine looks goos
I like how each machine has a seat belt.
MILESTONE. 🤍🌟No fancy moves or angles . No tons of sets or reps. Just simple. Heavy. Efficient. Till you can do your last rep. AND ALL HAPPENS IN THE REST. (adding proper nutrition) That’s Menzter in his extreme substance. That’s will never change how our body adapts to a CERTAIN KIND OF (mechanical) STRESS and IT WILL WORK FOR EVER.🔝👍🏻👊🏻