The AD-10 and AD-15 with Andrew Demko

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  • We had the chance to sit down with Andrew Demko and discuss the long awaited AD-10 and AD-15. We know you're as excited as we are to get one you're hands on one of these knives.
    www.coldsteel.com/ad-10.html
    www.coldsteel.com/ad15.html
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  • @budthecyborg4575
    @budthecyborg4575 5 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    After 15 years of collecting pocket knives (dozens of Spyderco, Kershaw and Benchmade knives) Demko is the most exciting knife designer on the market today.

    • @carlsberg-gs6rl
      @carlsberg-gs6rl 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I feel you. I can still remember the day I saw Cold Steel debut Demko's Tri-ad lock and it blew my mind. I have always been a fan of the rocker/back lock and when I saw it taken to the next level I had to get one. Got the AK-47 Tri-ad, have gotten multiple other Tri-ad variants since then.

    • @budthecyborg4575
      @budthecyborg4575 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@carlsberg-gs6rl
      Really Demko should be given some kind of "All Time Greatest" award for knife design.
      We've had the Back Lock for hundreds of years and Demko is the first person to significantly improve it.
      I love Sal Glesser dearly but even after he spent decades refining the Back Lock, he still couldn't come up with anything remotely as good as the Tri-Ad lock.
      At this point the only way I can think of one-upping the Tri-Ad Lock would be a fully 3D Printed design (as soon as you move to 3D printed locks you can probably make a folder fully equivalent to a fixed blade).

    • @mariomarin4702
      @mariomarin4702 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah I agree. Demko and Marfione are my favorites.

  • @sharpknivesrule6006
    @sharpknivesrule6006 5 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    Andrew Demko is just a regular dude that designs awesome stuff! Humble. I'm probably gonna get both knives!

  • @tigrisgaul1896
    @tigrisgaul1896 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Andrew Demko is a genius. Thank you to Cold Steel for bringing his knives within reach of the average consumer. The AD10 is superior to other folders that are twice the price. Trust me, I own and have owned many expensive folders.

  • @redfaux74
    @redfaux74 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I'm deeply in love with everything Cold Steel makes. Affordable and crazy awesome quality. The Vaquero Grande is my EDC and has been for 20 plus years. Lynn has a great vision and is executing it incredibly.

  • @WillEDC
    @WillEDC 5 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Demko has an engineers mind.

    • @darrylreformina1438
      @darrylreformina1438 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      With a peoples heart ❤ 🤙🏽 🅰️D🔟 🔥

  • @MetalsForBrunch
    @MetalsForBrunch 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Ever since the 4max came out I also wished there was an ad10 model and now my dream came true. Thank you demko and cold steel.

  • @REEE_Larson
    @REEE_Larson 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    The absolute apex of locking mechanisms - nothing comes close.

  • @IHATEJEREMYMOCK
    @IHATEJEREMYMOCK 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    All in on these two! Thank you cold steel

  • @imsteevin
    @imsteevin 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for making these available at a lower price point. I took my ad-10 down to parts and completely finished every part up to perfection by hand. Loved that I had the chance to give it a try.

  • @Kevinclearysharpstuff
    @Kevinclearysharpstuff 5 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    These are going to be great I can't wait to get my hands on both of these great design which I am confident ColdSteel has done a fantastic Job building

    • @Kris_Stiletto
      @Kris_Stiletto 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I cannot wait to get mine... I must give Cold Steel and Andrew Demko two thumbs up! Cold Steel will be putting something out, this year, that I'm really interested in. I know you'll put out some great vids on these; I've seen you AD10, AD15, and 4-Max videos. Can't wait to get my hands on these...

  • @KNIGHTJUMPS
    @KNIGHTJUMPS 5 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    When life gets real you need Cold Steel.

    • @mistersmith3986
      @mistersmith3986 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I like that😁👍⚔️

    • @SilensIntro
      @SilensIntro 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Robert Adams You should be working for Cold Steel’s marketing team.

    • @mistersmith3986
      @mistersmith3986 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kezzatube45 Yeah, that's what I'm talking about!

    • @OhCrxzeh
      @OhCrxzeh 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Kez:
      Umm... okay?

    • @JVan-ic6ic
      @JVan-ic6ic 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      For the times when those water buffaloes come out of nowhere...

  • @audiobrainiac
    @audiobrainiac 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’ve wanted both for a long time. Thank u very much Andrew and Cold Steel for putting these two great knives within my reach. I’ll absolutely buy. I just have to have them.

  • @turtleh
    @turtleh 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Appreciate what you do, hope to own this or one of your knives one day. Thank you for making the decision to make this knife not only accessible but also made in a country that generally inclines towards better quality and freedom vs the one that doesn't ;)

  • @SmithWesson90
    @SmithWesson90 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have been a Cold Steel fan boy for years now. Im up to 7 CS knives. Lynn but espaically Andrew have been my favorite knife guys I preach your Triad lock and trust my life to it. I am proud to say I just ordered the Demko AD-10 for my 8th CS folder. I cant wait to crown my collection with your custom design AD10! ✌

  • @toyotrustPR
    @toyotrustPR 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    That was great. Thank you for the video. I just got my first AD10 and I am loving it. I need to get me one of those AD15.

  • @BillyJoeJimBob55
    @BillyJoeJimBob55 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Awesome Guy, awesome knives

  • @Kris_Stiletto
    @Kris_Stiletto 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've got mine on order... I decided to get all of your production customs; I ordered the Italian 4-Max, AD10, and AD15. I just had to get them. Thanks, Mr. Demko, for making some of your great knives available for us Fans of yours that cannot afford your Custom Made Folders. I've been wanting an AD10, forever. I love my American Lawmen. But, have always wanted an AD10. Mine won't be a Collector; I'll EDC to work every day... Also, when I get them, I'll post vids on them. Thanks, again, Brother!

  • @argyle1812
    @argyle1812 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Awesome stuff. 2 of the best folders CS has done IMO

  • @iuliaiulia8993
    @iuliaiulia8993 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Andrew Demko, you are the best man!!! Thinking to create for the future an AD 15 larger (bigger). The bigger the better!!!

  • @Football-PL
    @Football-PL 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Just got my AD-10. Man, what a quality, what a design...

  • @MrSIXGUNZ
    @MrSIXGUNZ 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Every Cold steel product I've bought is top quality!! Now these are really top drawer!! Thanks much for sharing and blessings 😇 🇺🇸

  • @dankbuds6171
    @dankbuds6171 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I'm an mechanism nut also and it's why I love Andrew's designs,knowing his locks are the strongest in the industry and I say this with confidence. So many times I've looked at a custom knife and said wow this look s awesome but has a frame lock which is a bummer because high priced custom folders which some makers call them "overbuilt" should have an Overbuilt lock also. Frame/liner locks by nature just can't utilize the full potential of the given materials,the stress relief cutout on the lock bar is the weak point and lock face will ultimately slip under shock,stress. Lockbacks in general are essentially a hook wether be it tradition,triad,scorpion,or others all work on this principle and hooks are stronger then a piece of material wedged at the blade tang. Love cold steel/Demko designed locks,before buying the knife I always look at it's lock mechanism first just too bad most are Frame locks. More innovation on strong locks,as strong as the triad and scorpion in the knife community would bring alot more excitement! Also give Sir Demko some challenge I'm pretty sure he wouldn't mind lol

  • @jorgefernandez6407
    @jorgefernandez6407 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I'm late to the game. I discovered Cold Steel knives around 3 years ago. And now, 20 Cold Steel (and counting) folders later, I don't leave my home without a Cold Steel tri-ad locking folder in my pocket, "ever"!!! That lock, changed "my" knife world...❤!!!

  • @convex7456
    @convex7456 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Demko and cold steel are up there for #1. Ill buy the both. Twice! Keep them PERMANENT models. And hollow ground option with 3v maybe?

  • @michiganedge4770
    @michiganedge4770 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Hard to replace my recon 1 but I wouldn’t mind an ad10. Beautiful looking knife

  • @ryanjerue4830
    @ryanjerue4830 5 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    I love cold steel products they’re always high quality and delendable

    • @OsamaBinDarrel
      @OsamaBinDarrel 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Delendable?

    • @edcko10
      @edcko10 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Did you mean defendable? Or dependable?

    • @ryanjerue4830
      @ryanjerue4830 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@edcko10 dependable 😂 sorry I got giant hammer thumbs

  • @kittrainbow7
    @kittrainbow7 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The AD15 is one of the coolest knife ever👍👏
    Phenomenal work.

  • @dankbuds6171
    @dankbuds6171 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    These finally made it to production! Such a dream come true. I have a custom AD15 full Ti,I hope cold steel would consider making a full aluminum version with secondary safety I'd pay a little more for that version. 🤞🤞🙏

  • @michaelfeldsieper3064
    @michaelfeldsieper3064 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hallo to the Community, today is my Birthday and one of the finest Gifts i became is an AD-15 . THANKS to my family but also Thank You to Andrew and the whole Cold Steel Team it's Great✊🍀✊🍀✊🍀✊🍀✊🍀✊🍀🌹

  • @westsenkovec
    @westsenkovec 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow, those look great!
    I always want an AD-10.

  • @KNIFEfreak101
    @KNIFEfreak101 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Okay but I'm sitting here sipping a beverage. I've watched hours of your vids right. THAN BAM. I REALISE YOU ARE ANDREW DEMKO. HOW DID I MISS THIS... MY MIND... BLOWN. Thankyou and goodnight, Cheers

  • @matthewschlegel4188
    @matthewschlegel4188 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Demko and his work has turned me into Cold Steel. Just ordered an Ad15 and I am pumped!

  • @ovidijuss.6271
    @ovidijuss.6271 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Andrew Demko is a genius of knife making. Ultimate knives. Actually, tri-ad lock is enough... :)

  • @michaelspanjers3446
    @michaelspanjers3446 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Beyond excited about this hands down my favorite folder maker in the industry and lets be honest the tri-ad lock is the bee's knee's

  • @johnruff7417
    @johnruff7417 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am very excited about these new blades!!

  • @Inspectergadget69
    @Inspectergadget69 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Andrew, you are quite right about it being addictive. I watched how you closed it and that is the way to do it. Once I did that, I was set. It is a fascinating design and a very good one. It looked overly complex initially but it is really an elegant and simple design. I love the two tone finish on the blade and the knife came hair shaving sharp which is excellent. It is nice knowing I have a knife in my pocket that I am not afraid to use on any job. It is obviously a very tough knife and it it exudes toughness from every angle and yet it is so BEAUTIFUL. A bit like my Chug Ringo, very pugly yet strangely handsome also.

  • @ocomegashadowstacking5886
    @ocomegashadowstacking5886 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Really nice big knife!!!

  • @spyanzuk
    @spyanzuk 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hell yeah i’ve always wanted a custom but I’ll definitely get the ad15 till then

  • @fishman80
    @fishman80 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    these look great! nice work

  • @The4cp
    @The4cp 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Absolutely beautiful. The AD 10 is going to be hard for me to pass up.

  • @IrishDevil78
    @IrishDevil78 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    These are my top 2 knives of 2019, and I don’t even have them yet.

  • @OSPREY5150
    @OSPREY5150 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love andrew’s scorpion lock it’s very unique and strong at the same time unbelievable design

  • @archerlucid
    @archerlucid 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is awesome!

  • @Tom-uj4uf
    @Tom-uj4uf 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm so proud to have my AD-15 Lite in my pocket. The upcoming AD-10 Lite will be so tempting.

  • @bronsoncashiola1426
    @bronsoncashiola1426 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    These are awesome !!!

  • @greatnorthwest667
    @greatnorthwest667 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cool dude, impressive knives. I will get that AD15.

  • @Outpost_76
    @Outpost_76 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'll definitely be getting both models.

  • @antoniolaraiii169
    @antoniolaraiii169 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Yea im buyin

  • @HammerK99
    @HammerK99 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    How can u not love this guy?

  • @drumgodtim
    @drumgodtim 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Those look great!!!!

  • @nandayane
    @nandayane ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The AD10 is one of the less expensive knives in my collection, and is the most nicely made. Wish they still made the hollow grind.

  • @Lonewolfmike
    @Lonewolfmike 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am glad Cold Steel is getting the chance to do the AD-15 and I can't wait until they come out with more of them in more handle colors.

  • @KNIGHTJUMPS
    @KNIGHTJUMPS 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    If a knife you must conceal I recommend Cold Steel.

  • @MakinHicks
    @MakinHicks 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    This look fantastic

  • @Cant_Stop-Wont-Stop0329
    @Cant_Stop-Wont-Stop0329 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I got a cold steel ad15 recently and can say the quality is amazing when compared to other knives that cost double or triple the price.

  • @justinpatrickhoffman
    @justinpatrickhoffman 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Lord Demko is the man!

  • @cw9041
    @cw9041 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Such a solid dude just like his locks.

  • @66piperaztech
    @66piperaztech 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    If I had any doubt, Andrew Demko sold me on the AD10. It's a worthy upgrade and replacement to my classic Buck 112. I kept looking for a folder with the looks, ergonomics, and soul heartedness necessary to replace it.

  • @kevin6030
    @kevin6030 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The triad lock has served me well for over 15 years. Got my AD15 8 months ago and I love it. Thank you Mr demco. now please collaborate with GSM or cold steel, whatever it is now, and make an AD 20 that I can afford. I'm an ironworker and a welder. Just an average southern Man but I love your robust knife designs, they can stand up to the abuse and hard work a petty frame lock or standard lock back can't handle. The only lock that can try to compete with the triad or scorpion is the axis lock. But I love Cold steel and I love the knives you've designed Mr demco. It's an American thing, thank you 🇺🇸

    • @garrettferrell6821
      @garrettferrell6821 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Unless Demko changed his mind,a Cold Steel AD20 isn’t happening

    • @garrettferrell6821
      @garrettferrell6821 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The Axis lock is a cool lock,it’s a fun lock but it’s far from a Tri-Ad or Scorpion lock..Spyderco’s compression lock is better than the axis lock..Hogue’s Able lock (Hogue’s version of the Axis lock) is better than the Axis lock because they use a higher quality spring than Benchmade uses in their Axis lock.Benchmade used to use higher quality springs too but in recent years the Axis lock isn’t nearly as durable as it was in older model Benchmade knives

  • @MrDidaxi
    @MrDidaxi 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Words fail me. He is a genius.

  • @DamianBloodstone
    @DamianBloodstone 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Those will be on my list.

  • @vegetakijohnson4792
    @vegetakijohnson4792 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    love that yoke

  • @sycho76
    @sycho76 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    can't wait for the test videos

  • @rickguogo
    @rickguogo 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mr. Demko is a genius inventor.

  • @christiangarcia7907
    @christiangarcia7907 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Omg can't wait

  • @Jimislash
    @Jimislash 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I cannot wait.

    • @Kris_Stiletto
      @Kris_Stiletto 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's right, Bro! I've got mine on order. I saw your video and had to research them and get both of them. I'll have to post vids on them. Now, I can afford them. I decided to get the Italian 4-Max, too... The AD10 is the one I want the most. In my opinion, it's the one that influenced the American Lawman; it's an AD10 on the Jenny Craig Diet Plan... :) :) :) Mine will be a daily EDC folder, for me. I know, eventually, I'll get another to just add to my Collection. I can't wait to get them; I feel like a little kid at Christmas! Right on Andrew! What a perfect gift for the "Working Class" Man or Woman that loves your Blades...

  • @anthonyp7051
    @anthonyp7051 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    AD is amongst the legends

  • @flamingballzonice
    @flamingballzonice 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Now I got a knife I'm definitely buying in `19. When's the full CS `19 catalog gonna release?

  • @oceanwaves83
    @oceanwaves83 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Some REAL knives!

  • @flakescarred4life901
    @flakescarred4life901 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    A couple more paychecks and the AD-15 is mine!! I have a lot of decent to good folders, but I want my edc to be great! From reviews and product info, the AD-15 should make the cut (pun most definitely intended!).

  • @edged_mindset
    @edged_mindset 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is it chief

  • @user-xg9vi2xr8b
    @user-xg9vi2xr8b 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Браво твои работы восхитительный!!!

  • @rockspydre
    @rockspydre 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Scorpion lock is friggin’ genius. But the AD-10…. Killer knife. For so long I looked at it and thought, « it’s just a back lock, what’s the big deal? « Then I SAW it. And bought it. Fantastic.

  • @j.s1805
    @j.s1805 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    On the AD-10 what kind of aluminum are the liners and the spacer? I am wanting to anodize them. Thank

  • @racerx1508
    @racerx1508 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like the AD 10.

  • @eternalvoid8153
    @eternalvoid8153 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just bought a 4max as my first cold steel.

  • @wgollyhorn
    @wgollyhorn 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Need some numbers on the aluminum liners for strength test?!

  • @user-jj8yd3ic6u
    @user-jj8yd3ic6u 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have Swift - it is a wunderfull knive!!!!!!!!!!!! Good Luck Andrey !!!!!!!!! I want AD-15 :)))

  • @LegionTacticoolCutlery
    @LegionTacticoolCutlery 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow!

  • @knightamco
    @knightamco 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is it possible close the blade on the AD15 without pushing this lockbar/spacer?

  • @danzigrulze5211
    @danzigrulze5211 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I know about the Tiger Claw and Steel Tiger. They are great karambits but they are both way to big. My only wish from Cold Steel is that they make a smaller more compact folding karambit with the Triad Locking System.

  • @MacheteStrikeR
    @MacheteStrikeR 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    have you changed the grind on the AD-10 knife? Are the AD-10 now available with flat or hollow grind? Thank you!

  • @anatoliy3846
    @anatoliy3846 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    There is a problem with my AD-15, a spinel flies on the beam, why did this happen, and what should I do with these?

  • @NewtonWashinton
    @NewtonWashinton 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have the AD10 great knife, I also have the Max4 and Max4 Scout, many many of us would love to see a Max5 with the same design. Maybe call it the Max5 Ranger, it would be a huge seller in S35VN and AUS 10A.

  • @bruutus99
    @bruutus99 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Finaly!

  • @JadeGeminiM390
    @JadeGeminiM390 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am a little concerned about the use of aluminum as the liners of this knife instead of steel or Ti. I understand it was to lower the cost and weight of the knife by choosing it, but was there thought about long term durability. Would open the blade with authority cause the stop pin/pivot to wallow or deform over time?

  • @Prosecute-fauci
    @Prosecute-fauci 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I own both and I must say that the ad10 is superior in every way.

  • @raybellows9851
    @raybellows9851 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can't wait to see that hunting sword!

  • @brandon87ize
    @brandon87ize 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I hope one day I can find and snag a custom micarta AD10! GRAIL for me!

  • @JoannaJedrzejczyksForehead
    @JoannaJedrzejczyksForehead 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    CS AD-10 inbound!

  • @KNIGHTJUMPS
    @KNIGHTJUMPS 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You can kill tonight's meal if your weilding Cold Steel.

  • @chrisng2095
    @chrisng2095 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    When will they be available?

  • @tiredrummertube
    @tiredrummertube 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    And now the SHARK!!

  • @SHADOW-ke6xz
    @SHADOW-ke6xz 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Such a humble dude and a total class act, and why is he always smirking like that? Because he's a blue colar man who designed the BEST....BEST locking mechanism this industry has seen to date. There are a lot of great locks out there that excel in their own way but when it comes to not getting your fingers cut off everybody wether they like it or not knows you can trust a cold steel tri ad lock designed by the man himself Andrew Demko. Oh and for anyone who thinks all he did was add a beefy stop pin to a back lock to make the tri ad lock ..Demko drops the scorpion lock... just awsome.

  • @SmithWesson90
    @SmithWesson90 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Triad is 👑
    Remember 4max held 808lbs and didn't break.

  • @mistersmith3986
    @mistersmith3986 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love my Cold Steel Ultimate Hunter. It's my EDC. I will skip the AD10 & -15. Instead, I will get the Recon 1 S35VN Satin finish. Either way, Cold Steel has me covered⚔️

  • @mikester6192
    @mikester6192 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hope the Cold Steel AD15 and AD10 are made in the USA. The Cold Steel 4 Max are made in Italy and USA. Tan G10 are USA made and the gray G10 is made in Italy.

    • @oceanwaves83
      @oceanwaves83 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well the steel is USA made regardless. CPM S35VN is from Crucible in New York. I wish they had gone with a different steel, but whatever.

  • @dewarner12
    @dewarner12 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Any idea when there will be a Cold Steel version of the AD-20?

    • @garrettferrell6821
      @garrettferrell6821 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Unfortunately,there isn’t gonna be a Cold Steel AD20

  • @anatoliy3846
    @anatoliy3846 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    С моим АД-15 проблема, вылетает шпинёк на коромысле, почему это случилось, и что с эти делать?

  • @tiredrummertube
    @tiredrummertube 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I hope soon Mr. Demko will be able to contract a shark with s35vn or REX!!