Does weight distribution and careful engineering really matter in drift cars?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.ย. 2024
- In this episode @DriftJesus and Aaron Losey chat about what really matters when building drift cars. You can put a Nascar V8 in a Passat and it works, or a 2JZ in a Corolla and win events. Does air pressure in the back tires make more of a difference in chassis dynamics than carefully planning stuff? Everything seems like a lie at times!
It would be interesting to hear Wout and Denofa discuss car setup.
We wanted to do that since DW3 but schedules always conflicted.
You can read articles online about it. Van has an article up about his rtr suspension.
@@russiancommy where do I find this
Dang I could listen to this man talk for hours, thanks for introducing me to his channel!
As an engineer myself, I definitely related to a lot of the philosophies that he's preaching.
One comment for Aaron, might want to consider being conscious about letting people finish their points, I've noticed it in the past, but in this topic where you clearly disagreed / were trying to contest his points, it was extremely obnoxious where you'd be cutting in whilst he was talking. Drive me nuts when people do that to me haha.
Awesome content anyway. Keep it up!
Yea Aaron thinks he needs to speed run content to keep engagement up but it actually does the exact opposite lol
Was going to comment the same thing, only reason I can't finish all of his videos
@@fulltang1 he has really bad adhd, you also have to look at it from his angle too, he has so much energy, like the above comments said, he just needs to keep working on it and he will get much much better
his yt has such good talk content, i get work done in the shop while listening.
Aaron always plays devils advocate while Wout is so serious about car setup lol. But in all honesty these two have some of the best drift conversations on youtube.
In racing getting the last 100th of a second rally matters but for drifting allot of things come down to personal preference imo
Exactly, more ways to skin a cat
I think one of the reasons why there isn't a "meta" build in drifting is because it's a judged sport, unlike road racing where it is much easier to identify what works and what doesn't, so I don't think it will reach the bottom of the funnel any time soon. IMO teams that come up with the best synergy between resources, crew, car, and driver would be the most competitive.
Aaron! Stop interrupting the people you’re interviewing!
Sometimes his loaded questions are more loaded then loaded nachos
its so funny to watch when he starts moving around and almost getting 'ticks' in waiting to interject.
Just an fyi I love watching and listening to you 2 talk and it never gets boarding! If one of you doesn’t like what you hear you don’t let it pass you by and it’s awesome!
It never gets boarding?
Lmfao!! I love Duarte waking in on the interview! So great! 😂
Man Wout is so right about his point a view. Totally right if FD was like a FIA organization nobody would care.
I LIVE for obscure car and setups that do good.
Feels like this sport is still obtainable. But nobody dreams of being Lewis Hamilton but I definitely want to SHREDD like Chelsea!!!!
I can listen for hours to the 2 of you! 🤣😅💥👊🏼😎
the interview ive been waiting for! always a banger!
Also I think the way Aaron interviews and ask questions comes off a little offensive to those that don't know his personality. He seems like he's arguing when he's just genuinely asking questions
Love when these two guys chat
I will always stand by the setup aspect of drifting I’ll argue with ppl Bc they have a v8 and can just roast tires, I have to setup I have a low hp i6 I have to really setup the car tire pressure weight reduction etc just to get as much as I can, I’m still new tho still learning
Love listening to Wout talking about drifting
This is a bit frustrating to watch. Up until minutes 9 you guys are talking about 2 different things. Top level Competitions car vs drift week cars.... i don't think anyone is clocking lap times on drift week while say in FD they do and it seems like where the smaller details matter the most is at the top level of Competition.
Agree, but DW cars usually aren't "built" as I mentioned. They're more like an evolution, and have to do more than just drift on track. These interviews are unrehearsed and unscripted and Aaron just comes up random and pulls you in to do them, its all zero prep :)
@@DriftJesus i have watched many of his videos interviewing you ( hopefully all of them) and i love your videos on your philosophy of how to build cars the frustrating part was taking your thoughts for one thing (pro cars) and applying it to something else (drift week/ grass roots).
Even with the example of James Deane, he moved weight from the rear of his euro fighter forward to get closer to 50/50 weight distribution. Previous i believe it was 52% rear.
I think that was more tank position, the past years a lot of drivers went from tank behind diff to tank above rear axle
@@DriftJesus didn't he move the dry sump tank as well?
As far as his video on it hgk had the philosophy of putting a lot of weight towards the back which gave them a huge advantage off the line but sacrificed in other areas like the pendulum effect or over rotation under braking. I think James went towards a more balanced car as in not so fast off the line but better at angle/transition. But wtf do i know i just watch TH-cam 😆😆
@@Philsilva06 I think they had to reposition the dry sump tank because the fuel tank is in that position now
@@DriftJesus but regardless it proves your point where weight distribution matters a lot or else he wouldn't go through all that trouble and he couldn't just let out 4psi from the tires to be more competitive like Aaron mentioned. Btw now regret not having a conversation with you at englishtown i just said "hi" lool. I love to nerd out on this stuff 😆
It's like me and my bmx bike. I can get a cookie cutter bike and still do the same tricks and all I do now but having a custom setup and getting a half degree different headtube angle or whatever make it feel more comfortable to ride. Sure in drifting people are great drivers with terrible setups but if you're building from a bare chassis it would be more beneficial to be mindful of weight balance and all to squeeze ever little bit out of it to make it competitive. It might only make a slight difference but that could mean a lit when your at the limits.
I really love the way you preach Aaron about drifting and builidng a car, but holy shit you were annonying and Wout said that when he said you're just cherry picking the examples. I guess you were trying to keep this interesting but I would have lost my shit hahahahahahahhaha.
Drifting has lots of competitive platforms and parts. I think what's dictating winners is drivers that understand physically why their car moves how it does, and teams that know how to keep a car on track.
I like this guy he's real
Very good subject, thanks for the content Aaron.
Love the interview. I understand where Aaron's coming from (in wanting to get a word in before he forgets), and I appreciate Wout is going to say what he wants. The end. Love it.
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I agree with you, so much effort is funneled into solving non issues, maybe a bit of copium.
Whats hilarious is a Sikky commercial played right before this video. 🤣 if you know you know.
Greetings from Southwest Texas once again great interview this content is always interesting because you don't know what is going to be talked about and it's good when you can find the topic that the people are so passionate about and can back up what they're talking about thank you once again Aaron for putting this content out
Aaron let him speak! We want to discuss these issues!
I love the swollen heads in the cover clip!
Aron you gotta think of weight distribution in 3D, not just front and back. For example iron/alum heads will make more of a difference than iron/alum block with weight transfer(also pushrod vs over head cam). Drift is more like drag car setup than road racing in my opinion. What he is saying is that drifting is such a wide range/field, the best/winner is one who can adapt fastest. There is not always a clear mechanical advantage winner like in most other Motorsports. Also lets be real drifting is more like figure skating since it's a judged sport.
My understanding is that Tuerck’s Corolla is basically an E46 suspension design
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Loved doing this interview
My impression is that tire rules let engines be competitive. If you could run more and more tire to match your 1200, 1300hp engine, then the big displacement cars would be able to run away.
So take the pro drifter and let him run both set ups and you will see the difference, it might be small, but it might win.
Haha, I love it when couples banter back and forth over drift set ups.
Duarte with the appearance!
If every fd team was unlimited budget and unrestricted in what parts could be used thats when you will see that funnel get smaller as to what the perfect setup combo is. As was said, we aren't there yet.
To add to their discussions on Formula D dominations. If you look at the FD season champions in the last 10years... you'd notice it's not just the drivers winning the championships but they're backed by manufacturer support and a powerhouse of a team.
W/ the exception of Essa, who i'm not too familiar with about his championship season.
Wout is the man
wout is the man. when we gonna get the 6hour wout convo?
Good stuff right here need more
It’s was a really good listen
Get onto talking again and going deeper into the can of worms 🐛
Wout is the man!
I love this type of videos ❤️
I love these interviews ✝
Weight distribution is definitely important in a 1000+whp FD car. It's not important in a 220whp E36.
I would argue that it is more important in the e36 IF your driving against top level competitors. Power makes drifting easier, so it can cover a lot of mistakes and bad setup, without power you need to use everything at your disposal (weight distribution) because you cant just stab the throttle to catch up or pull yourself out.
Didn’t Vaughn win in 2020?
@drift jesus, how’s your friend from New York doing? The f80 m3 guy
Next episode airs on my channel in 49 mins!
Well and that's the thing is every track is different and every driver is different and I get building a car for yourself as far as you feeling the car and responding to it.there is so many factors to every event maybe even every lap.
Aaron I love you mate but your opinions clouded you in this interview.
Can an OK chassis and driveline be competitive? Sure, depending on the driver. Can an OK driver be MORE competitive in a well thought out and setup car? Maybe. Could a great driver drive better in a well built car? Absolutely. Can an average driver win FD in a cobbled together car because they want to upset Chelsea with an SR in a Chrysler 300C? Chances are low.
If you're building a car for Pro 1 FD are you trying to build to the highest standard you can or just make it work? When there's so much on the line do you try to mitigate risk or introduce it? Do these teams with tire sponsors care about a lighter rear for tire wear or do they want more weight to get bulk grip to pull on you mid-corner?
Apples and oranges...
James DID get beat by Forrest for sure.
Awwwww, too bad he didn't though.
Everyone comes from their specific background and what they are comfortable with, chassis and power train wise. Long story short. Driver skill/experience/background and comfort in a certain chassis dominates all across the board. Doesn’t matter if it makes sense and is scalable for everyone it works for that individual/ team.
The same reason why when people change a current chassis to a “better” chassis they almost never surpass the performance outcome of the previous chassis
I think a car with good weight distribution definetly helps, but if u got the money to override that with power then ig anything is possible
My XJ buggy makes zero sense on paper if you're using conventional wisdom. It's a big handful on track too. But the few people I've let drive it have confirmed it's an absolute riot to drive, even if it's different and difficult. I still say technique and driver skill is way more important than chassis dynamics.
RB Army here!
It's pretty simple that most people can learn to drive AROUND an imperfect setup. If you're doing a clean chassis build, and have the budget, why not make it perfect?
Arrrr yes it's everything
Well of course there isnt a best dominating chassis/engine combo in FD. It all depends on driving skill. A V8 mustang/ Corvette or 2J s chassis means nothing if you can't get deep into those outside zones or keep up with your competitors, or worse break your car lol
I’ve been in a perfect simulation playing games while you’ll did it in real life it’s the EXACT same way in the game accept we have a “perfect” simulation with no limitations. On the none “suspension engineering side”.
Also the Chelsea statement it’s true, but it’s also the “standard by the book” setup with 30% wants Vs needs.
I’ve made setups for drivers on the more extreme side than James Deane with a Taylor hull/Vaughn style even.
Perfect weight distribution for a drift car Is actually between 51-53 percent front bias not rearward unless track get smaller again or less power.
Also the chassis difference HAS BEEEN BEEEN happened you can’t even add a 4 link Japanese style straight axle setup to a AE86 or the reason a Miata NC is not competitive on top of the need for a Minimum weight vs tires size in formula drift it’s trash which is why there’s no skill gap either.
The formula drift rule book caters to newer longer wheels based cars with more weight because if the tire rules too.
Not to mention the drag slicks engineered specifically to drift like Daigo on Achilles 123s XD
Who's the "brian" he is talking about?
Page - Howell / Z3 Clownshoe
Bobble heads make me think the video is geared toward kids. Not the way to captivate your actual audience... that’s something for jake Paul or some shit.
Damn, from one Aarón with Add to another Aarón with Add, let the man finish lol.
Says James Dean will destroy with a RTR 10 months ago and now he is in a RTR
Funny right! We did only discuss the motor here. But I spoke to him at FDATL and he loved the V8
Vaughn got the 2020 season
Haha yes that penny dropped a little later but it was edited out I guess? This video was shot 2 mins after I drove from California to E-town haha.
@@DriftJesus yeah yeah y'all said that just some minutes later, I commented this while you said that you couldn't remember. Great interview though!
@@scottex. thanks for watching
I love the content that is made available, but the amount of interruptions by Aaron were off the charts here. I need to use the word annoying. Sadly.
I feel like old mate totally missed Aaron's whole point about the interview but was interesting none the less haha
How's that?
@@DriftJesus well he was asking something I find quite relatable. He was saying how drifting seems to be strange because you can take a car that shouldn't do well (from a engineering a balance perspective) and it can still be very competitive even though weight is off its barely kept together etc. The other guy was saying it's not spec racing etc which is all true. And we don't have the perfect setup yet. But still feel like Aaron's point was how come a shitter can do well. In part at least and I find myself wondering the exact same thing so was curious haha
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aaron comes off sooo douche' hahah he comes off so rude but i remember him saying in a prev cideo that he means well.. its just who he is...
its just super IN YOUR FACE while trying to watch these videos haha
Aaron’s interrupting almost made this unwatchable
Look at their heads lol
dirifitng is dumb and silly and id like it to remain that way
Wout is just better
Ayo😂
Would you please stop interrupting the man. He took the time out for you and we would like to hear him finish his responses. Rude af.
Nope not for Jesus lol
What dose this sound like ur taking pansy pot shots at Luke fink ?
Lol Aaron doesnt understand the difference between cars and driver
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