I made a follow up video that contains the audio recordings I mentioned, as well as much more evidence of wrongdoing. Check it out here: th-cam.com/video/i6lRtZ1ixI0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=lMzc25xIuI1AVpik
I am 42 years old and grew up in a church like this. I stopped going and vowed to never attend a church ever again. I prayed everyday and still loved God and had relationship with him. Long story short, I found a amazing pastor and started going again. The things I went through as a child still affect me today. I can totally feel what you're saying. I love your ministry and your heart. Stay strong brother. Hope to see more videos soon
Debolt você foi o único baterista que eu senti que tocava não pela fama ou religiosidade, mas sim para Deus e para edificar aqueles que o ouvem, e sobre a musicalidade foi um dos melhores que já ouvi, desejo que Deus o abençoe e te dê forças para se reconstruir espiritualmente e um dia adorar Ele sendo baterista novamente e postar os vídeos para nós te acompanharmos.
Noah, I'm so sorry that you know this pain. I just found your page by Internet scrolling but and am deeply saddened to hear of another victim of spiritual abuse. Praying you find your healing, it's a long and hard road for sure. I just want to commend you for speaking out and I hope you know what a brave and courageous human you are.
hahhahah dramatic hypersensitive, and weak stupid Christians... That's why I stopped being a Christian for people as dramatic and crying and hypersensitive and emotionally weak
@@austinc2997 You don’t know my story and you do not know the bible as much as you think you do. Educate yourself. Independent of my sexuality, these people are still abusers. To be perfectly clear someone’s sexual orientation is not justification for abuse.
@@diondavis1026 Hey I get it, the Bible is offensive, but I don't need your story to understand The Truth. Scripture is pretty clear on homosexuality, and you can't gaslight the Riddles for giving you The Truth on the matter. With all that said, I love your voice. I hope one day to hear you singing worship music again. You're very talented.
@@austinc2997 You completely missed the point. You’re so focused on my sexuality-which had nothing to do with their abusive behavior towards me that you’re siding with abusers. Also, you don’t know what gaslight means 😂
Hey Noah, I never comment on videos, but I probably started watching your stuff 6 months ago, and got super inspired by all the drum cam videos and tutorials. It's been a huge blessing, and then I noticed that you haven't posted anything in a year a couple weeks ago. I was actually praying for you and your family last week after watching "This is Amazing Grace but an 8th note ahead" (hilarious btw). The Lord just put you guys on my heart. I help pretty heavily in ministry (and drum) for a church of 50 who probably. We believe in the continuation of the the gifts of the Spirit. But dramatically different that the abuse you've experienced with it. So that's why I'm writing this long comment! Anyway, I'm so sorry for the abuse you've experienced. I was pretty shocked about the "worry about being a Levite in the house of God" thing. But when I read the article about the body types, I was horrified. Honestly, the doctrine I saw from that article was straight up satanic. Complete antichrist, and if that's ever present in a ministry, the WHOLE church needs to be brought to repentance. Prophecy is something that has to be treated with the upmost sober minded and humility. Because if done with pride (which it so often is), and without accountability to the body of Christ and the Word, this is what happens. It should always be subject for interpretation and correction of others in the church. Back to the "worry about being a Levite in the house of God" bit that you spoke of for Jeremy. I LOVE Spirit-led, spontaneous, powerful worship. I believe you and your wife do too. And I enjoy Jeremy Riddle's worship, BUT I do see an obsession with "the glory" that creates such an unreachable bar that is set (and sometimes we set for ourselves). I don't know him, and so I could be completely wrong here, so please correct me if if I am. And Jeremy could also totally not believe this at all, but this is just how I interpret that interaction. So if that's what he said, it needs loving correction. This idea that we need to worship like David did, like the Levites did, to honor God. It sounds really nice when you say it, and is Biblical, but trying to symbolically (and almost literally) put it into practice, we would be so burdened by that Old Testament law that we would be in constant fear and stress to preform and appease God like Israel was. They try to connect the Old Covenant with the New, and try to force the practice that in reality, is NOT how the Levites worshiped and served. They served from a position of works to appease God. Hebrews 9 talks about how that Old Covenant was not enough, and that this New Covenant with Jesus is what we are living in now. We are suppose to come BOLDY to the throne for His grace. We Christians should desire to actively walk in holiness, to be abandoned in worship, and to seek the presence of God in worship. But if the cost is benching people because they aren't "abandoned enough," and ostracizing those who may be learning to walk out their faith, then we are walking in pride. Trying to create a "atmosphere" that is built on works, when originally we want it to be built on the Spirit. And side note, I'm saying this from experience. I want to SO BADLY serve and help set the stage for people to feel engaged in worship. I just want to do my part in making a space for the Holy Spirit to move. But that's also the problem. It's not by what I do! Even if I do everything I can. Pray, fast, repent, speak in tongues, or whatever. It's by HIS power, not by mine. And when we set the requirement for our volunteers to be "you need to worry about being a Levite" it puts all the responsibility on us. When in reality, it's by what Jesus did on the cross, not about what I can do. This was spiritual abuse, and leadership needs to be humble and repent. It's not condemnation on anyone, but there is a massive pruning that needs to take place. Anyway back to you Noah. You're an inspiration, and you have a market cornered in the worship drumming space that is so valuable to so many. Your style is incredible. Your ability to teach IS a gift of the Spirit. And for someone to tell you that it's not from God you gotta say "get behind me!" Again, I'm so sorry this happened to you and your family. Your heart is clearly for Jesus, and though your ground has been rocked, your faith is still openly present. I pray that you are able to get plugged back into a church that can walk with you while you heal. And fan the flame of your gifts instead of quenching it. And for those watching. Character always above gift. Drumming is Noah's gift, but being right mentally and spiritually is way more important. Unfortunately, worship volunteering can quickly become a thing where the talent and gift is valued way above the well being of the person. Take same time to heal, but know that the work that God started for you, He is faithful to complete it. Your an inspiration bro, keep going!
My Wife and I went through this same thing. I was a Worship Pastor, and because I brought the lost direction and lack of Biblical guidance and lack of Discipleship, and being extremely burnt out. And there is a lot more. I even sold all my music gear ($15,000 worth). Didn’t touch music for a year. But I have learned more from those who wronged me than my best friends. Stay strong in the lord.
Hey Noah, thank you for having the courage to speak out. In one aspect it’s sad to hear the continual depravity of mankind even in the church, but also encouraging because it shows no one is perfect and the need for Jesus is equally so much greater. I was born and raised in Irvine and have witnessed everything you have said. I’ll be praying for you and your wife, and that your ministry continues to bless the Christian drumming community. Much love from Switzerland, Joe
Noah, you and your wife are so loved and I am so sorry to hear this. I’ve been following you for a few years now and also got to know Debrianna when we did the 18 inch journey together-I’ve been inspired by both of you and pray the Lord will continue to heal and comfort you as you share your story. Appreciate your courage to speak out and share, especially given the platform it’s likely to extend to. Pray you feel encouraged today seeing how many people your ministry has impacted and blessed.
I forgot to mention that I've lost any passion I had to play the drums. I thought you should know that before everyone expects me back behind the kit. Again, please read this article: julieroys.com/exclusive-former-vineyard-staff-accuse-alan-scott-of-abuse-manipulation-lies/
I knew something was going on when you suddenly disappeared, I am sad for you and your family specially because you lost passion for drums ,but I will pray for you guys in the name of Jesus Christ you will be back you just need healing and it is a process.
The passion to start drumming has just started returning for me after experiencing this kind of trauma back in 2013. It goes deep. Trust is hard to give, good friends are hard to come by after all you knew were church friends. It can really set you back. I would just like to say that your past live drumming videos have really helped in getting me back to my passion of playing. I really don't think there is anything you can do to force the passion to return, but i pray you find the point where you can be happy and move forward.
So sad. I'm really curious of whats happening to you bro? I always thinking where is debolt right now? why he's gone? i always look at you bro,waiting for your upload videos. So thankful that your back! We're here to support you and accept you no matter what🤝. I Prayed that God will heal you for that situation,we dont know why it happens but God will reveal you everything through prayer and meditiation. Godbless you brother💪Keep on drumming🔥Debolt drumming will grow.
DeBolt drumming has been such a huge inspiration for me. I've seen so many of your Instagram videos, followed your tutorials and drum covers... A pastor/leader in church isn't supposed to put you down, but lift you up. This page has reached so many people because of the passion you have to spread the truth, give love, teach, and inspire musicians around the world. These words were tough to hear, and I can't even imagine the pain you went through to speak up. You've got courage. DeBolt drumming WILL NOT FAIL. Because GOD sees what you're doing. The people you have impacted, we see what you're doing We stand with you! Much love man... ♥
Thank you so much for sharing. My family and I are part of a vineyard church in church in Scotland and are also trying to make sense of allegations regarding Mike Pilavachi. I understand it is difficult to speak out but your honesty and openness is appreciated.Mathis feels like such a difficult time for the church as a whole as more and more leaders are being called our for their abuses and it is only the bravery of people like yourself to speak out that let us know. I pray God blesses all that you hope to achieve in the future and look forward to hearing your drumming again in a positive, supportive environment.
Noah! A good friend of mine mentioned your story at work today and I saw you and your math hat and immediately remembered meeting you at Canopy in Costa Mesa. I remember talking to you just before you left for a job for your wife. I had no idea this was all going on behind the scenes just before you were at Canopy (maybe even during). I can't even begin to imagine how damaging this was and still is for the two of you. Solid message, honesty, and props for directly calling things out for what they are. My wife and I will 100% be praying for you guys and honestly if you'd hit me with your venmo link I'd love to support the therapy fund the little I can as I hope you are getting the support you need in what I can only imagine to be a really discombobulating and hard time. Either way wish you all the best.
Good to hear from you man, I hope you’re well. We were feeling the pain silently and unaware of what had actually transpired while we were there. It’s crazy looking back.
@@DeBoltDrumming ““Come to me, all of you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, because I am lowly and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.” Matthew 11:28-29 What your going through doesn’t reflect the character of Jesus❤
You are a survivor. We must speak of it we just must . Thank you for speaking out. I am survivor too. Lotalty doctrine Prosperity doctrine Misogonism - watch for it . These are the characteristics .
Spiritual abuse is far to common in the church. Thank you for the courage to speak out against these Godless forces. May God continue to bless you and your wife. ✝️
Hello brother, peace and grace. My name is Fernando, I'm Brazilian and I'd really like to meet you, because I say that, I'm in a moment like yours, but when I looked for the best worship drummers to improve my performance, you were in first place, and I found my faith revived again and when you ministered "agnus dei" I felt the presence of GOD in your drumsticks... thank you for being GOD's instrument in my life... GOD is with you.
An encouraging word for you Noah, I hope you read this. Ive had the privilege to play a set with you sometime in 2018/2019 at Centerpoint church Murrieta. I was pretty new to bass at the time and I sucked. But playing with you stretched me so much and inspired me to improve on my craft. You gave me an encouraging word and said something along the lines of, "keep investing in yourself and your playing." That meant so much to me, really. I had a few more years of playing and gotten to play on a few projects and gig at various churches in my area. I would also play along to some of your Send Brazil drum cam videos all the time and it was so much fun. I pray the lord would bring healing to you and your wife and that you would feel him close to you. I also pray that you could find your passion again for music and drumming and your ministry. I think the ministry you had was a beautiful thing and it means a lot to have a community of worshipful musicians together. Thank you for blessing not only myself, but all the other musicians as well. Donavan and I are praying for you. ⚡
The heavy handedness of that "CULTure of honor" is wild. I spent a year at BSSM leading worship and because I questioned some folks who claimed to be my "Spirital Fathers and Mothers" before any relationship was built, I was asked to give up my position as a worship leader. I love Bethel still, I have really amazing friends who are still plugged in 12 years later. I just know leaders are messy and the spiritual abuse can run unchecked VERY EASY in that type of culture. There are many false prophets, false teachers and unequiped spiritual leaders who are in desperate need of accountability. Keep your head up bro. Reach out if you ever need someone to chat with who has similar experiences with similar circles of people. God first above it all. Don't back away from the truth that Worship is a weapon and the platform that God has blessed you with. Fight against bitterness and find rest.
i am korean I also listened to Bethel Church or Hillsong music and prayed while listening to those songs. And I know they are possessed by other spirits. also Korean Christian music-oriented worship is attracting young people. The colorful lights and music make us fall into the illusion that we believe in Jesus and worship God. It was, after all, an act of praising myself. Leaders have a physically attractive appearance, and the melody of music and emotional lyrics also steal people's emotions. The purpose of a Christian is to follow Jesus, not a person. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. And Jesus leads us to the cross.
This story is very sad. I’m glad you’ve started the healing journey, brother it’s hard but you’ll be whole again. Telling the world was actually a really good idea for your own well-being, glad you put this out there. Keep your chin up, guy. Things can only get better from here 👍
Thank you for having the courage to speak about this. Your testimony will help many others. I hope that it also helps you to continue processing and healing from that season. May God bless you and your wife and give you peace and comfort thru all of this. You are not alone. You are loved. We are here for you.
Again, compassion for the situation. From what I could tell a lot of people have experienced certain issues within the body of Christ. You have choices on how you respond and I really believe that this is not one of them. It really does sound a little bit like a Revenge message to Jeremy personally at one point. I really have to encourage you as a body of Christ that we need to allow God to bring this full circle. And we need to lay down offense. This is the one weapon the enemy uses to separate the power of Satan is dividing the body of Christ. I'm sad to hear so many people not speak up on this but we all experience woundedness from others that we have trusted and loved in churches. But the Lord is looking for those who will humble themselves forgive and let God be God in the situation. Of course we know God is not surprised about this. But we as individuals have a responsibility to have our hearts right and clean before God. You're very young and you have a lot of other stuff in your walk with the Lord that will come these are Stepping Stones to those and if you position Your Heart Right. And allow the Lord to do what he needs to do and you don't step in front of him. This is an exhortation from an Ex V. Leader. You'll love what God does to you and your heart and what he does in the circumstances and how he uses it in the years in the future as you encounter other leaders leadership and pastors who they themselves have not been fully healed. The lord loves us in our weakness. But his heart is for us to mature. Don't pick up a stone. Lovingly from a sister in the Lord
Your play style and takes on songs have both influenced my drumming and influenced the environments I have played in over the last several years, so I thank you for it! In retrospect, the journey between your "things are changing" video to now is a clear example of what something of this severity can and shouldn't do to anyone. It's that kind of selfish influence that drives people away from the church and tarnishes the reputation of we believe is God's good intention for community. Praying the Lord will continue to mend both you and your wife in compassion and use y'all as a beacon for others experiencing similar injustices.
Cant say this surprises me. When someone claims God has appointed THEM as prophet and nobody can question them, it's the ultimate narcissism. Run. Every man is open to scrutiny. Every pastor. Every person in leadership roles.
Praying for you. It’s a painful journey. Thank you for speaking the truth. I believe you. Thank you for your boldness. And I am praying for you and your wife in your healing journey.
Que triste amigo, lamentável isso ter chegado a esse ponto. 😢...fui no The Send , evento realizado aqui no Brasil e curti bastante vc tocando bateria, tocou com bastante entusiasmo e com ótima performance. Espero que se recupere dessa situação. Saiba que Jesus está com vc o tempo todo, todos nós precisamos de Cristo, inclusive esses líderes. Diante Dele todos são pequenos!
O buddy 💔💔💔o my gosh. This breaks my heart. I know what it's like to be manipulated by these people..i live on the west coast so when I followed them i had to do so via the internet..i was under their influence from 2011 till about 2019 - I would follow them through TH-cam worship songs, classes from worshipu, and from Bill Johnson messages. I followed them because I wanted to learn how to be a better worship leader, but I was negatively affected by them so badly. I have no idea what it's like to be abused by them in person though and so my heart and prayers will be going out to you and your wife. Thank u so much for sharing this🙏🏼I've been praying for the Lord to expose the dysfunction of Bethel and the like since 2019, and so your testimony is helping, I'm praying, to set the world free from their addiction to these worship ministries and from these churches....I think they're doing much more harm than good. But your video is gonna help people. Thank u.
This is heartbreaking and I'm so sorry to hear you've been hurt by the church in this way. When the church is centred around the lead pastor so much questions from anyone are prohibited that's a major red flag for me. No one is above reproach and should be held accountable and open to feedback. I'm praying for restoration in your lives and that you do not give up on God!
Dude, so sorry for you! This is horrible when those "more spiritual" human beings uses their power and authority to descriminate you and makes you feel low and not good enough. I had to face the same thing in my church bro. My ex-pastor is such a abusive person but nobody in the church can speak to him or have impact on him. I was sevre to whole church in worship, preaching, all other events like baptisms, funerals, etc. and after 5 years I reached out to speak with him in private conversation where I communicate to him that I'm not fine with situation in the church etc. To make it short - he summary my whole crying from broken heart with words "slave do not ask. Slave do the job." That's it. What the ... is this bullshit man. And I felt guilty in the first moment but then I realised how sick is this place. I was destroyed psychicaly, mentaly, my faith ruined, my marriage is finished (I was married to his dauther). Man, those situations are serious, horrible things. I hope God will revange to those people all hurst they caused to us.
Good on you bro, my wife and I were spiritually abused at a church in LA where we pastored and loved on people, everyone turned their backs on us when we started asking questions too. Not out of malice, out of care for them and the people we were pastoring. We got pushed out. Best thing that ever happened to us. One word of advice. You mentioned thanking them for what they did, part of the healing process is recognizing that you had some good times with them, and they did pour into you in many ways, give honor where it’s due and leave the rest behind. I don’t regret my time in LA for a minute. Some of the best years of my life. And some of the worst haha❤
Man. I'm so sorry to hear this. I've been thinking about this video for the past week and it breaks my heart. I've been praying for you and your wife and praying that the Lord would reveal himself to you in such a real and fresh way to the both of you during this time. Don't stop chasing after Jesus, He is always good. Even when our leaders are not. Love you brother 🫶🏼
Dude, so sorry this happened to you. Never give up keep getting the help you need and I believe you will fully recover and everything will somehow workout for the good.
I understand you. It’s very difficult because people tend to believe in the abusive “leader” rather than the victimized. Bigger voices person earn voice regardless. Smaller voiced ones are dismissed easily. We should not ignore this. So sorry. We see you and understand you.
I’m so sorry man… I have also been a victim of spiritual abuse. It is extremely damaging and traumatic. You question everything about your faith and reality. People really don’t realize how difficult it is until you’ve been through it. Keep your head up though. Jesus is always good despite it all.
The churches have been infiltrated and having discernment is so important. I don’t listen to the songs or music by Jeremy Riddle or any worship leader from …Bethel, Hillsong, Jesus Culture, Jesus Image, etc., etc. Your experience doesn’t surprise me. I am a fan of yours. Last year God called me to learn and play the drums after one testimony after another. After two months I started playing at my church as the drummer. The leaders spiritually tore me down and took a lot from me. After months of abuse I left the church and quit playing the drums. I’m still learning to play but I’m doing it at home on my own timing and I’ll wait for Gods will and His timing if that’s what He has planned. They took a piece of my heart and I know how you feel. I was a totally different person than what I was so, I understand you . Spiritual discernment is so important now in these last days. I loved learning from you and watching your uploads from when you were playing drums. You’re a brilliant drummer and an inspiration to so many of us. I pray you’ll reunite with your drums. I will pray for you and your wife’s healing. Most importantly I pray you and your wife will be whole again, physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually. God bless you and thank you for sharing what a terrible experience you went through. You have helped me and so many people by doing so.
I had an abusive release too, and after everything that happened, I no longer wanted to serve in the Church, thanks to God and sensible leaders I managed to overcome all that!
Genuinely love you man. I bought Jeremy's book "The Reset" for my team to read together. I couldn't get through the first few pages and I think I now know why. Going to share this with my team. We see this all too often. Leaders are beholden to God and his word alone. You did the right thing and I know you're in God's hands for what comes next. Thanks for speaking out.
So very sorry. I have been through this in smaller ways in 2 different Vineyard churches that were kicked out of the Vineyard movement, but only after years of people unsuccessfully trying to get some response from the "up the line" leaders. You can recover from this. Stay close to Jesus, and find a loving church. God is there for you and everyone else who is suffering.
The saddest part about what happened is that the enemy was able to do what he promised he would. He came to steal, kill and destroy. It's clear that there was/is a lot of hurt and offense. It's very sad that the enemy was able to create a divide between leaders in the kingdom of God here on earth. The enemy hates worship, that's probably why he targeted people like you .. I am actually looking forward to hearing Jeremy's side of the story as well.. I admire both of you guys and am actually very upset that something like this has happened.
What about the hook ups happening in Christian Youth Camp? Who is to blame? Pastoral leaders or this thing you called 'enemy'. People like you likes to divinized things huh instead of seeing what is actually happening in between the parties involved. I bet with A.I. screen projector yall with Jesus speaking be crying your hearts out of His Greatness haha or it is the Devil's work that church don't wanna be transparent with their financial assets.
I am so sorry to hear that...i am Jordan. I started drumming since i was five and started plaaying drums at church when i was 7 and half. Now i am sixteen years old..and all that time..man you have been a great inspiration. Whenever i had to play something on sunday i always used watch your cover..and try to imitate it..your fills and techniques i liked so much though i couldnt play as good as you..man you were just a block of inspiration man... So sorry to hear all of this...its sad how people in power and specifically in church do this...but i would like to tell you one thing LET GOD BE THE JUDGE. the word of God says that its Lord who exalts and pulls down leaders...Keep up your spirit man...please return worship drumming..dont leave...just know that Jesus is never like this...He loves the way you are...its just horrible how God used and interpreted in a wrong way. GOD BLESS YOU. JESUS ALWAYS AND WILL ALWAYS LOVE YOU❤ LOVE FROM INDIA 🇮🇳
So relate to what you said "in our process of leaving, we were thanking them for all of the stuff that they did to us" I remember calling my pastor the day after our meeting that literally turned my life upside down, and apologized. I APOLOGIZED and said sorry if he thought I was being disrespectful. This goes to show that before you escape, you are deeply rooted in systems of abuse and you don't even know if yet. It takes leaving fir you to realize just how twisted it is.
@@DeBoltDrumming defnitely have experienced it as well, sounds like our stories share some similarities. Are you open to brief back and forth maybe through email? I have a logistics question regarding you coming forward with this. Would completely understand if it's not something you're open to!
Me pone re triste esta situación , aprendí y empecé a tocar la batería en la iglesia gracias a tus videos. se que vas a poder superar esta situación , hoy duele pero va pasar todo , Dios usa lo malo para hacer algo increíble en tu corazón , fuerza amigo 💪🏾
I will read the article, and I don’t deny or diminish what happened to you guys, but I would like to hear the other side as well. There are always two sides and I think everyone should be heard out before any determinations can be made. My heart is saddened for you both and I pray that you don’t lose faith in who the Lord is and who the Lord says you both are. Love you guys! Bless you and I hope y’all can find rest and peace in the Lord 🙏🏽
@@spearkc Jeremy is already a Christian, that’s what makes it hard to swallow. Satan is after all of us…even the so called Christian leaders fall… king David is a good example.peace my brother
Listen bro, I am 63 and was pushed out of music ministry many times due to envy/rivalry/chutch politics etc, and 15 years ago I simply stopped playing drums in church altogether. But recently my pastor (a humble powerfully wise bro) asked me to play again, and I agreed. SO I am getting to grips with the ableton tracks/click thing and am LOVING it, in fact I'm just as revitalised and even more enthusiastic than I was when I first started playing in 1980. The Lord has a way of "repaying for the years the locusts have eaten" Who knows you could end up in prison (in a worship revival team)
A fellow drummer here. Maaaan I feel you, honestly. My wife and I had a similar experience here in London. I’m sharing this video to her because what you expressed is basically how we felt back in the days. Man, we spent like full 2 years outside any form of church, but we never lost that fear for the Lord. I can tell you that now we’re in a better place, emotionally, spiritually and with a loving community. My prayers are with you, your wife and all the people hurt by this kind of abuse. Keep strong my brother
Hi, I'm a subscriber, because I really like your videos (they inspired me), but thanks for having the strength to speak about it in public, that happens in many churches, large and small.
I feel like I’m a better worship drummer because of you and your videos. I’m so sorry that happened to you! Prayers for you and your family! Thank you for sharing. God bless!
Sorry that happen to you brother. I pray you will find your way back to be the "Little Drummer boy" that God Intended you to be. When my son was 5 years old a nice young Christian man taught him the drums, and he LOVED it, my son is 27 years old and started his own band when he was 14 and they are still playing and making music- all because this young man took the time to teach my son the drums; I hope this inspires you to pick up your sticks again, clearly you have a gift to give
Hey! Thank you for sharing. I was spiritually abused a year ago as well. I’m sorry that happened. It sucks, but I’m glad you are out of that toxic environment. Also glad I’m not alone in healing from that darkness. May god guide us and bring us closer to him.
Praying for you man. I'm only 17 but you've been a huge part my childhood and I wouldn't have come so far without the videos you posted. Man will always fail but God never will. Be strong and stay close to God. Even when you don't feel it He's working. Love you man⚡️❤️. Hoping for a quick and full recovery in your life and the peace and joy that God has fills you🙏🙏🙏. We are all here for you and love you!!!
You have wisdom for only being 17! "Be strong and stay close to God." I pray those words never leave you because God never will. You give me hope in your generation, praise God!
Keep going strong bro! Your an inspiration to us worship drummers and your the first person I came across putting the click in the mix 🙌 praying for you and look forward to seeing more drumming content. Hang in there 🙏 god bless you
Noah, I’m so sorry this has happened to you. The fact that they didn’t want you around because you love loving people is an unimaginable thought to me. Your loving personality is what brought me to SJA 10 years ago when you invited me. Your passion for what you do is what inspired me to audition for worship at SJA as well as play there and for the last church I played at. I have no doubt you’ll find a church that will love and accept you for what you bring to the table. I hope everything. Turns out for the better! Best of luck brother, Jason
My❤breaks for you brother! My wife and I went through a very similar experience at Oceans church in south Orange County. It is so the opposite of what a Bible believing church should be. ““Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’” Matthew 7:21-23 ESV
Man, Im really sorry to hear that! I have gone through similar situations with two churches now that I have loved so deeply so I know some of the stresses and feelings and shame that comes from that, heck I'm STILL dealing with some of it. Even still, I can only imagine what you guys must be going through. I have always enjoyed your content, and I'm not even a drummer (LOL!). I just enjoy watching you worship and I try to learn as much as I can. Its inspiring watching you go. I personally love your heart to love people as thats why I'm here, that is, loving the Lord. Because someone took one second of their time almost 10 years ago to talk to me and love on me and that changed my life forever. Ever since then I've made it my goal to love people like that as well so man I feel for you. My heart breaks truly Please dont stop loving people. The world, and even the Christian faith, needs people like you and your wife. Idk man maybe this wont mean anything, especially from a stranger who only knows 2.5% of yalls story so take it for a grain of salt. The Lord brought me to this realization a couple years ago that he hadn't been calling me to play guitar but instead he was calling me to love and encourage people. He was just using my guitar as one of my avenues to do that. Thats not to say you wont get to do what you love again when you're ready (or even when you love it again). The main thing I'm trying to say is that the Lord has called you to something and he's still got plans, good plans, for you and your wife. Stay faithful and he will lead you through this. He will finish the healing that has already begun if you continue let him. It wont be easy at times but he's got you guys. Idk maybe all that doesn't mean anything to you man but I'll be praying for you guys!
When a church gets to the world stage, things fall apart, messages get construed, and power takes over. I constantly have to stop myself from thinking "it would be nice to be a part of a larger church, where there's larger budgets, there are more volunteers, things sound better, and I can take a week or two off each month." I remember that within a small church, there's still a calling, and usually in smaller churches, Pastors serve the church, rather than the other way around with some strange power dynamic. Praying you find healing from this church hurt, and that those involved realize what they're doing isn't for God.
Praying for you brother, truly your channel has blessed me immensely in my drumming journey…believe for the Lord to restore and bring healing to ya amigo
Thank you for sharing. I know how you feel my husband and I have been through the same thing. It’s been over a year now and I’m still trying to heal from it. It’s hard for me to trust as well.
So sorry to hear your story. Thank you for bringing this forward. God is still with you, no worries on that one, regardless of any 'prophet' telling you something different. Keep going and do that stuff you love. Best whishes
Praying for you and your family brother. My family and I just went through the same thing last August. Don’t stop forgiving, don’t stop healing. Love you man
So sorry to hear what you have experienced Noah, really praying for God to heal you and doubly strengthen your heart for and within Him! Praying that He will use what has been broken, not only to restore it, but to make it even better - that is, whatever the next steps He has planned for you and your wife. I have personally really enjoyed and benefitted from the work that you have put into DeBoltDrumming, but only God decides the future of this ministry. Really praying for God to pull you in closer and grow you and your wife through this trial, and all others affected too! 🙏 It's a shame to hear that you have lost your passion for playing the drums - I think that it's such an amazing way to worship God, and I'm sure that you felt the same way in the past. If it is His will to bring back this passion, I pray that He will make it burn even brighter than before. But whatever the result is with your drumming, I just pray that any passion that will stir up within you in the future will be one from God that increases your passion FOR GOD!!
I was never faithful or in church growing up. I especially didn't care for the idea of mega churches and places where the "leaders" become worshiped themselves. Even as a non Christian this went against what I knew to be acceptable based on what my mom had talked to me about. I joined a church last year that has a regular attendance of about 300 people per Sunday and I absolutely love playing drums every time with our group. They are some of the most compassionate and caring/open people I have every had the grace and joy to be friends with. I started watching your videos around May of last year and love the guides and playthroughs/live videos you do. I am sorry this happened to you for sure as I am sure it does quite a bit to break down that trust barrier with places like this going forward. I know you say you won't be doing anything on the side of drumming right now, but I would just like to let you know that you should never let what people have done to you stop you from doing what you love. I hope to see you back making videos when you are ready.
Sorry to hear about that bro. God knows what is in your heart. Let's do our best to please and honor Him, through the talent and gifts that He gave to us in the midst of chaos.
Les comparto algo corto de mi vida ministerial actual: Soy baterista de mi congregación y estuve un tiempo distanciado porque estuve ocupado; eran unas capacitaciones de una compañía bastante reconocida en el mercado y se gana bastante bien. Pero el tiempo para el ministerio y servicio, de había reducido y decidí mejor organizar el tiempo de servicio en primer lugar por encima de cualquier cosa, incluso de la compañía donde se gana bueno. Regresé super entusiasmado y pues obviamente me iba integrando de a poco. Pero el ministerio ha cambiado bastante, y siento como que ya no sirvo u encajo allí; ni me tienen en cuenta ya para muchas cosas. Todo lo llevan a lo espiritual y quiza sea segun ellos porque no estaba bien y mas y mas cosas. Ahora si que no estoy bien en verdad, de a poco he ido perdiendo esa pasión por la batería y me quebranta; porque regrese, aun dejando a una gran compañia, con la mejor actitud y disposición. Pero simplemente parece que ya no les sirvo, En el nombre de Dios me dejaron a un lado, te entiendo perfectamente Debolt 🥀
Wow, me entristece escuchar estas historias… creo que los líderes qué enseñan en las congregaciones doctrinan para que nosotros no hagamos cuestionamientos y entendamos que sino servimos a Dios en el templo estamos mal, si elegimos otras cosas que si pertenecen a nuestras vidas, como un empleo de superación como estudiar y otras cosas ellos quieren hacernos ver que no estamos bien delante de Dios, pero podremos servir a Dios en cualquier lugar
sorry to hear that my brother. i know what that is like. we had the same problem and we had to leave our ministry of many years because "we didnt follow the rules" "we dont think like them" "how dare we question them". we are not there to serve leaders. but out Father in heaven. what we did was, we walked away. knowing God would use us somewhere else. people need to understand that they can just walk away. and i hope that you can as well my brother. ask God for guidance.
Really unfortunate. I was also hurt by a church and the “leaders” within it. I quit music all together for over a year. Church culture is so damn toxic and it’s what drives people away. If you question anything or stand up for what’s right, you’re pushed away. I’m Sorry this happened to you, but you’re not alone.
On another matter surrounding additional accusations - Judge dismisses $62m US lawsuit against controversial former NI pastor and singer wife. Wed 20 Dec 2023 at 22 : 50 - Belfast Telegraph
I have a two year story very similar to yours. It took quite some time and much learning to unscrew what was so messed up about it. The confusion and then shame that were part of it turned for a time to disbelief that I could be so gullible. I've come to understand this was part of it as well. I've gained a whole skill set of navigation about it all. In my story, it is a very large megachurch with a smaller church in a vulnerable community in the city. I've spoken out to warn others but honestly it's such a wild story, unless you know people just don't get it. I'm way better than I was for a long time but it took quite a a bit of work to get there. I commend you for speaking up and sharing your story. May the Lord leverage it for the benefit of others.
One more thought - watching the creation of "culture" for branding and image purposes by using the Word of God in manipulative ways was definitely the worst. These people have the deception dialed in. It was so gross to see earnest people fall for the deception knowing I was once one of those people. God knows. That's where I've come to. He knows, he will direct and work in it on His plan. I'm open to whatever that looks like but it has to be Him. I believe He calls us to speak up about the mishandling. I also had to lay down the desire to make it right myself. That can be complex but He has been present in that nuance. All the best to you I'm your healing.
Praying for you. I was forced out of Baptist ministry when my Dad died, definitely spiritual abuse took place to myself and family. Fortunately re building our lives and i am concentrating on my books. Praying for you.
Hey, man. First of all i'm so sorry for what you've gone through. I've already suffered this in seferal churches i've past as well. Second i would like to encourage you to not quit or diconnect yourself from drums or church. When you play and worship God you're pouring something spiritual over people and sharing the annointing of God over your life. This is precious and that's why the enemy is using this situation to put you down. I recomend you to find a christian and good therapist to help with the emotional abuse and try to find a small church with discipleship and home groups...something simple but real where you can connect with people of God and not be alone. And keep drumming, maybe not in church for now but at your house. Make it simple, just you and God. Don't stop praising the Lord with your life and skills. He loves you and He loves what He have given you. We love you as well and you've been a blessing to so many people. Take your time, let God heal your hearts and encourage you one more time.
O Brasil está com você 🇧🇷... O Noah não é apenas um instrumentista como muitos já viram, ele é um músico que me inspira todos os dias pra continuar tocando na igreja, eu assisto os seus vídeos e choro, e também é uma das minhas maiores influências nessa questão de fé, ele não assume apenas uma bateria para tocar como a maioria dos músicos, amas ele presta uma adoração concreta a Deus, e ele é uma das minhas maiores inspirações, eu te amo muito cara, Deus está com voce❤ ( você me inspira muito que o meu papel de parede do celular é a foto do seu site)
Noah, first off, I want you to know you’ve inspired me and your videos helped and encouraged me as a drummer. I am so grateful for what you have done. I am so sorry that you have lost all desire to get behind a kit. I am also deeply saddened to hear this story. I am praying for you, and stand behind you in solidarity. I hope you and your wife can find healing from this.
Hey Noah, I usually don't comment on videos but this story (unfortunately) is more common these days and I hope this comment helps you and your wife. Firstly, sorry to hear that you and those around you were abused spiritually. I hope and pray that your faith and trust in Jesus only strengthens at witnessing and experiencing the fragility and sinful nature of mankind. I too have been spiritually abused and have seen an exodus of friends and family leave a church where our ex-senior pastor was the perpetrator. After struggling to find a church and also seeing others completely disowning their faith, I have also witnessed the sovereign God, do His work several years later, gently pulling the heartstrings of his children. Not in some divine, sudden and sporadic nature that many charismatic churches portray. More in the day-to-day, week to week and month-to-month - a slow change in people's hearts that has led them back into the body of Christ. All this I hope encourages you and your wife and the journey you both are going through to look towards the perfect human (Jesus) and have your friends and family support you moving forward..
Ugh! I’m so sorry to hear this Noah. My heart aches for you and your wife. This spiritual abuse just simply does not reflect the character of Jesus. I pray that as you walk through this, that you’ll feel Jesus near, that you’ll experience healing and restoration. I believe Jesus loves you unconditionally and accepts you just the way you are. I love your desire to want to help people, and believe it or not, you’re helping people even as you walk through this valley. Thank you for your boldness in sharing your story. And please…keep asking questions. Jesus is not afraid of questions. :) If you need to talk to a complete stranger who also loves Jesus and drums, give me a call. 🙂
As a practicing traditional Catholic, I do not agree with you from a thological basis. However, It is clear that those who you have named are under spiritual attack themselves. I will pray for you, this will be a long healing process (but you know this part already). Do not give into resentment assofar as becoming resistant to the idea of forgiving them at some point. As sinners, we are no better than the next person. Also pray for them, there is a malevolent reason why they act how they do. God bless.
I made a follow up video that contains the audio recordings I mentioned, as well as much more evidence of wrongdoing. Check it out here:
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I am 42 years old and grew up in a church like this. I stopped going and vowed to never attend a church ever again. I prayed everyday and still loved God and had relationship with him. Long story short, I found a amazing pastor and started going again.
The things I went through as a child still affect me today. I can totally feel what you're saying. I love your ministry and your heart. Stay strong brother. Hope to see more videos soon
Debolt você foi o único baterista que eu senti que tocava não pela fama ou religiosidade, mas sim para Deus e para edificar aqueles que o ouvem, e sobre a musicalidade foi um dos melhores que já ouvi, desejo que Deus o abençoe e te dê forças para se reconstruir espiritualmente e um dia adorar Ele sendo baterista novamente e postar os vídeos para nós te acompanharmos.
Ele foi um revolucionista
Noah, I'm so sorry that you know this pain. I just found your page by Internet scrolling but and am deeply saddened to hear of another victim of spiritual abuse. Praying you find your healing, it's a long and hard road for sure. I just want to commend you for speaking out and I hope you know what a brave and courageous human you are.
@@crystalccruz I really appreciate that, thanks Crystal.
My heart breaks for you, man. I'm so sorry you guys were hurt by others in the name of God.
hahhahah dramatic hypersensitive, and weak stupid Christians... That's why I stopped being a Christian for people as dramatic and crying and hypersensitive and emotionally weak
Whew. I went through the same thing with the same ppl. Glad you got out.
I’m sorry but do you mind explaining what happened to you?
Bro, it's a bit different. The Bible is pretty clear on homosexuality.
@@austinc2997 You don’t know my story and you do not know the bible as much as you think you do. Educate yourself. Independent of my sexuality, these people are still abusers. To be perfectly clear someone’s sexual orientation is not justification for abuse.
@@diondavis1026 Hey I get it, the Bible is offensive, but I don't need your story to understand The Truth. Scripture is pretty clear on homosexuality, and you can't gaslight the Riddles for giving you The Truth on the matter.
With all that said, I love your voice. I hope one day to hear you singing worship music again. You're very talented.
@@austinc2997 You completely missed the point. You’re so focused on my sexuality-which had nothing to do with their abusive behavior towards me that you’re siding with abusers. Also, you don’t know what gaslight means 😂
Keep walking with Jesus. He's the only One we will give account to. 🙏❤👑
Hey Noah, I never comment on videos, but I probably started watching your stuff 6 months ago, and got super inspired by all the drum cam videos and tutorials. It's been a huge blessing, and then I noticed that you haven't posted anything in a year a couple weeks ago. I was actually praying for you and your family last week after watching "This is Amazing Grace but an 8th note ahead" (hilarious btw). The Lord just put you guys on my heart. I help pretty heavily in ministry (and drum) for a church of 50 who probably. We believe in the continuation of the the gifts of the Spirit. But dramatically different that the abuse you've experienced with it. So that's why I'm writing this long comment!
Anyway, I'm so sorry for the abuse you've experienced. I was pretty shocked about the "worry about being a Levite in the house of God" thing. But when I read the article about the body types, I was horrified. Honestly, the doctrine I saw from that article was straight up satanic. Complete antichrist, and if that's ever present in a ministry, the WHOLE church needs to be brought to repentance. Prophecy is something that has to be treated with the upmost sober minded and humility. Because if done with pride (which it so often is), and without accountability to the body of Christ and the Word, this is what happens. It should always be subject for interpretation and correction of others in the church.
Back to the "worry about being a Levite in the house of God" bit that you spoke of for Jeremy. I LOVE Spirit-led, spontaneous, powerful worship. I believe you and your wife do too. And I enjoy Jeremy Riddle's worship, BUT I do see an obsession with "the glory" that creates such an unreachable bar that is set (and sometimes we set for ourselves). I don't know him, and so I could be completely wrong here, so please correct me if if I am. And Jeremy could also totally not believe this at all, but this is just how I interpret that interaction. So if that's what he said, it needs loving correction.
This idea that we need to worship like David did, like the Levites did, to honor God. It sounds really nice when you say it, and is Biblical, but trying to symbolically (and almost literally) put it into practice, we would be so burdened by that Old Testament law that we would be in constant fear and stress to preform and appease God like Israel was. They try to connect the Old Covenant with the New, and try to force the practice that in reality, is NOT how the Levites worshiped and served. They served from a position of works to appease God. Hebrews 9 talks about how that Old Covenant was not enough, and that this New Covenant with Jesus is what we are living in now. We are suppose to come BOLDY to the throne for His grace.
We Christians should desire to actively walk in holiness, to be abandoned in worship, and to seek the presence of God in worship. But if the cost is benching people because they aren't "abandoned enough," and ostracizing those who may be learning to walk out their faith, then we are walking in pride. Trying to create a "atmosphere" that is built on works, when originally we want it to be built on the Spirit.
And side note, I'm saying this from experience. I want to SO BADLY serve and help set the stage for people to feel engaged in worship. I just want to do my part in making a space for the Holy Spirit to move. But that's also the problem. It's not by what I do! Even if I do everything I can. Pray, fast, repent, speak in tongues, or whatever. It's by HIS power, not by mine. And when we set the requirement for our volunteers to be "you need to worry about being a Levite" it puts all the responsibility on us. When in reality, it's by what Jesus did on the cross, not about what I can do.
This was spiritual abuse, and leadership needs to be humble and repent. It's not condemnation on anyone, but there is a massive pruning that needs to take place.
Anyway back to you Noah. You're an inspiration, and you have a market cornered in the worship drumming space that is so valuable to so many. Your style is incredible. Your ability to teach IS a gift of the Spirit. And for someone to tell you that it's not from God you gotta say "get behind me!" Again, I'm so sorry this happened to you and your family. Your heart is clearly for Jesus, and though your ground has been rocked, your faith is still openly present. I pray that you are able to get plugged back into a church that can walk with you while you heal. And fan the flame of your gifts instead of quenching it.
And for those watching. Character always above gift. Drumming is Noah's gift, but being right mentally and spiritually is way more important. Unfortunately, worship volunteering can quickly become a thing where the talent and gift is valued way above the well being of the person. Take same time to heal, but know that the work that God started for you, He is faithful to complete it. Your an inspiration bro, keep going!
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This is truly heartbreaking! Stay strong my friend! God will honor you for standing up and not being afraid to speak the truth!
Spiritual abuse is a movement of its own that is much needed to be exposed 😢
My Wife and I went through this same thing. I was a Worship Pastor, and because I brought the lost direction and lack of Biblical guidance and lack of Discipleship, and being extremely burnt out. And there is a lot more. I even sold all my music gear ($15,000 worth). Didn’t touch music for a year.
But I have learned more from those who wronged me than my best friends. Stay strong in the lord.
Hey Noah, thank you for having the courage to speak out. In one aspect it’s sad to hear the continual depravity of mankind even in the church, but also encouraging because it shows no one is perfect and the need for Jesus is equally so much greater. I was born and raised in Irvine and have witnessed everything you have said. I’ll be praying for you and your wife, and that your ministry continues to bless the Christian drumming community. Much love from Switzerland, Joe
Noah, you and your wife are so loved and I am so sorry to hear this. I’ve been following you for a few years now and also got to know Debrianna when we did the 18 inch journey together-I’ve been inspired by both of you and pray the Lord will continue to heal and comfort you as you share your story. Appreciate your courage to speak out and share, especially given the platform it’s likely to extend to. Pray you feel encouraged today seeing how many people your ministry has impacted and blessed.
I forgot to mention that I've lost any passion I had to play the drums. I thought you should know that before everyone expects me back behind the kit. Again, please read this article: julieroys.com/exclusive-former-vineyard-staff-accuse-alan-scott-of-abuse-manipulation-lies/
Me está pasando casi lo mismo y se como se siente, pero hay que seguir adelante con la ayuda de Dios que Dios te bendiga
I knew something was going on when you suddenly disappeared, I am sad for you and your family specially because you lost passion for drums ,but I will pray for you guys in the name of Jesus Christ you will be back you just need healing and it is a process.
The passion to start drumming has just started returning for me after experiencing this kind of trauma back in 2013. It goes deep. Trust is hard to give, good friends are hard to come by after all you knew were church friends. It can really set you back.
I would just like to say that your past live drumming videos have really helped in getting me back to my passion of playing. I really don't think there is anything you can do to force the passion to return, but i pray you find the point where you can be happy and move forward.
So sad. I'm really curious of whats happening to you bro? I always thinking where is debolt right now? why he's gone? i always look at you bro,waiting for your upload videos. So thankful that your back! We're here to support you and accept you no matter what🤝. I Prayed that God will heal you for that situation,we dont know why it happens but God will reveal you everything through prayer and meditiation. Godbless you brother💪Keep on drumming🔥Debolt drumming will grow.
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DeBolt drumming has been such a huge inspiration for me. I've seen so many of your Instagram videos, followed your tutorials and drum covers... A pastor/leader in church isn't supposed to put you down, but lift you up. This page has reached so many people because of the passion you have to spread the truth, give love, teach, and inspire musicians around the world.
These words were tough to hear, and I can't even imagine the pain you went through to speak up. You've got courage.
DeBolt drumming WILL NOT FAIL. Because GOD sees what you're doing. The people you have impacted, we see what you're doing
We stand with you! Much love man... ♥
man - i’m so sickened and sad to hear this, i couldnt believe what i was hearing
i’ll be praying for you guys ❤
i believe it 100%
Thank you so much for sharing. My family and I are part of a vineyard church in church in Scotland and are also trying to make sense of allegations regarding Mike Pilavachi. I understand it is difficult to speak out but your honesty and openness is appreciated.Mathis feels like such a difficult time for the church as a whole as more and more leaders are being called our for their abuses and it is only the bravery of people like yourself to speak out that let us know. I pray God blesses all that you hope to achieve in the future and look forward to hearing your drumming again in a positive, supportive environment.
Thank you for Sharing your Story. I wish you all streignth and blessing you need for overcoming the pain you've suffered.
Noah! A good friend of mine mentioned your story at work today and I saw you and your math hat and immediately remembered meeting you at Canopy in Costa Mesa. I remember talking to you just before you left for a job for your wife. I had no idea this was all going on behind the scenes just before you were at Canopy (maybe even during). I can't even begin to imagine how damaging this was and still is for the two of you.
Solid message, honesty, and props for directly calling things out for what they are. My wife and I will 100% be praying for you guys and honestly if you'd hit me with your venmo link I'd love to support the therapy fund the little I can as I hope you are getting the support you need in what I can only imagine to be a really discombobulating and hard time. Either way wish you all the best.
Good to hear from you man, I hope you’re well. We were feeling the pain silently and unaware of what had actually transpired while we were there. It’s crazy looking back.
@@DeBoltDrumming ““Come to me, all of you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, because I am lowly and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.”
Matthew 11:28-29
What your going through doesn’t reflect the character of Jesus❤
i love that you never lost sight of the Lord through all of this💛 You are in my thoughts and prayers Mr. & Mrs.DeBolt
You are a survivor. We must speak of it we just must . Thank you for speaking out.
I am survivor too.
Lotalty doctrine
Prosperity doctrine
Misogonism - watch for it .
These are the characteristics .
Spiritual abuse is far to common in the church. Thank you for the courage to speak out against these Godless forces.
May God continue to bless you and your wife. ✝️
I am so sorry Noah Thank you so much for keeping us updated. I was so worried about you.
Hello brother, peace and grace. My name is Fernando, I'm Brazilian and I'd really like to meet you, because I say that, I'm in a moment like yours, but when I looked for the best worship drummers to improve my performance, you were in first place, and I found my faith revived again and when you ministered "agnus dei" I felt the presence of GOD in your drumsticks... thank you for being GOD's instrument in my life... GOD is with you.
An encouraging word for you Noah, I hope you read this.
Ive had the privilege to play a set with you sometime in 2018/2019 at Centerpoint church Murrieta. I was pretty new to bass at the time and I sucked. But playing with you stretched me so much and inspired me to improve on my craft. You gave me an encouraging word and said something along the lines of, "keep investing in yourself and your playing." That meant so much to me, really. I had a few more years of playing and gotten to play on a few projects and gig at various churches in my area. I would also play along to some of your Send Brazil drum cam videos all the time and it was so much fun. I pray the lord would bring healing to you and your wife and that you would feel him close to you. I also pray that you could find your passion again for music and drumming and your ministry. I think the ministry you had was a beautiful thing and it means a lot to have a community of worshipful musicians together.
Thank you for blessing not only myself, but all the other musicians as well. Donavan and I are praying for you. ⚡
The heavy handedness of that "CULTure of honor" is wild. I spent a year at BSSM leading worship and because I questioned some folks who claimed to be my "Spirital Fathers and Mothers" before any relationship was built, I was asked to give up my position as a worship leader.
I love Bethel still, I have really amazing friends who are still plugged in 12 years later. I just know leaders are messy and the spiritual abuse can run unchecked VERY EASY in that type of culture. There are many false prophets, false teachers and unequiped spiritual leaders who are in desperate need of accountability.
Keep your head up bro. Reach out if you ever need someone to chat with who has similar experiences with similar circles of people. God first above it all. Don't back away from the truth that Worship is a weapon and the platform that God has blessed you with. Fight against bitterness and find rest.
I went through that in my teen years. It changed me deeply. Still dealing with the scars. I'm 34 now. God bless, man.
Me too I’m in my 30’s now and it stole over a decade of my life 😞
I’m 36 and still dealing with what I went though at 18.
Almost 50, I yearn to be part of a church family, but still have such massive reservations ...
@@RlRdHd brother, go back. Jesus is still the same and people are people. Full of sins. Satan uses people to try to set us apart from God.
i am korean I also listened to Bethel Church or Hillsong music and prayed while listening to those songs. And I know they are possessed by other spirits. also Korean Christian music-oriented worship is attracting young people. The colorful lights and music make us fall into the illusion that we believe in Jesus and worship God. It was, after all, an act of praising myself. Leaders have a physically attractive appearance, and the melody of music and emotional lyrics also steal people's emotions. The purpose of a Christian is to follow Jesus, not a person. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. And Jesus leads us to the cross.
This story is very sad. I’m glad you’ve started the healing journey, brother it’s hard but you’ll be whole again. Telling the world was actually a really good idea for your own well-being, glad you put this out there. Keep your chin up, guy. Things can only get better from here 👍
Thank you for having the courage to speak about this. Your testimony will help many others. I hope that it also helps you to continue processing and healing from that season. May God bless you and your wife and give you peace and comfort thru all of this. You are not alone. You are loved. We are here for you.
Again, compassion for the situation. From what I could tell a lot of people have experienced certain issues within the body of Christ. You have choices on how you respond and I really believe that this is not one of them. It really does sound a little bit like a Revenge message to Jeremy personally at one point. I really have to encourage you as a body of Christ that we need to allow God to bring this full circle. And we need to lay down offense. This is the one weapon the enemy uses to separate the power of Satan is dividing the body of Christ. I'm sad to hear so many people not speak up on this but we all experience woundedness from others that we have trusted and loved in churches. But the Lord is looking for those who will humble themselves forgive and let God be God in the situation. Of course we know God is not surprised about this. But we as individuals have a responsibility to have our hearts right and clean before God. You're very young and you have a lot of other stuff in your walk with the Lord that will come these are Stepping Stones to those and if you position Your Heart Right. And allow the Lord to do what he needs to do and you don't step in front of him. This is an exhortation from an Ex V. Leader. You'll love what God does to you and your heart and what he does in the circumstances and how he uses it in the years in the future as you encounter other leaders leadership and pastors who they themselves have not been fully healed. The lord loves us in our weakness. But his heart is for us to mature. Don't pick up a stone. Lovingly from a sister in the Lord
Your play style and takes on songs have both influenced my drumming and influenced the environments I have played in over the last several years, so I thank you for it! In retrospect, the journey between your "things are changing" video to now is a clear example of what something of this severity can and shouldn't do to anyone. It's that kind of selfish influence that drives people away from the church and tarnishes the reputation of we believe is God's good intention for community. Praying the Lord will continue to mend both you and your wife in compassion and use y'all as a beacon for others experiencing similar injustices.
Cant say this surprises me. When someone claims God has appointed THEM as prophet and nobody can question them, it's the ultimate narcissism. Run. Every man is open to scrutiny. Every pastor. Every person in leadership roles.
I read the article,goodness that is an epic story of abusive behavior. Very toxic and harmful, I’m glad you made it out.
Glad you are speaking up man, so happy you are back. Blessings to you.
May God bless you and your family, my brother. May your ministry be restored and flourish once again.
Praying for you. It’s a painful journey. Thank you for speaking the truth. I believe you. Thank you for your boldness. And I am praying for you and your wife in your healing journey.
Sorry to hear. This is far too common today. I have similar experiences and it is very hard to commit to a church after this kind of trauma
Proud of you for speaking up.. this stuff runs rampant in these circles.
Bro we’ll said 🔥
This is rarely ever talked about thank you for your honesty 🙌🏽
Que triste amigo, lamentável isso ter chegado a esse ponto. 😢...fui no The Send , evento realizado aqui no Brasil e curti bastante vc tocando bateria, tocou com bastante entusiasmo e com ótima performance. Espero que se recupere dessa situação. Saiba que Jesus está com vc o tempo todo, todos nós precisamos de Cristo, inclusive esses líderes. Diante Dele todos são pequenos!
O buddy 💔💔💔o my gosh. This breaks my heart. I know what it's like to be manipulated by these people..i live on the west coast so when I followed them i had to do so via the internet..i was under their influence from 2011 till about 2019 - I would follow them through TH-cam worship songs, classes from worshipu, and from Bill Johnson messages. I followed them because I wanted to learn how to be a better worship leader, but I was negatively affected by them so badly. I have no idea what it's like to be abused by them in person though and so my heart and prayers will be going out to you and your wife. Thank u so much for sharing this🙏🏼I've been praying for the Lord to expose the dysfunction of Bethel and the like since 2019, and so your testimony is helping, I'm praying, to set the world free from their addiction to these worship ministries and from these churches....I think they're doing much more harm than good. But your video is gonna help people. Thank u.
Thank you so much for sharing your story. I will be praying for you and your family 🙏🏾
What exactly happened?
This is heartbreaking and I'm so sorry to hear you've been hurt by the church in this way. When the church is centred around the lead pastor so much questions from anyone are prohibited that's a major red flag for me. No one is above reproach and should be held accountable and open to feedback. I'm praying for restoration in your lives and that you do not give up on God!
Dude, so sorry for you! This is horrible when those "more spiritual" human beings uses their power and authority to descriminate you and makes you feel low and not good enough. I had to face the same thing in my church bro. My ex-pastor is such a abusive person but nobody in the church can speak to him or have impact on him. I was sevre to whole church in worship, preaching, all other events like baptisms, funerals, etc. and after 5 years I reached out to speak with him in private conversation where I communicate to him that I'm not fine with situation in the church etc. To make it short - he summary my whole crying from broken heart with words "slave do not ask. Slave do the job." That's it. What the ... is this bullshit man. And I felt guilty in the first moment but then I realised how sick is this place. I was destroyed psychicaly, mentaly, my faith ruined, my marriage is finished (I was married to his dauther). Man, those situations are serious, horrible things. I hope God will revange to those people all hurst they caused to us.
Good on you bro, my wife and I were spiritually abused at a church in LA where we pastored and loved on people, everyone turned their backs on us when we started asking questions too. Not out of malice, out of care for them and the people we were pastoring. We got pushed out. Best thing that ever happened to us. One word of advice. You mentioned thanking them for what they did, part of the healing process is recognizing that you had some good times with them, and they did pour into you in many ways, give honor where it’s due and leave the rest behind. I don’t regret my time in LA for a minute. Some of the best years of my life. And some of the worst haha❤
Man. I'm so sorry to hear this. I've been thinking about this video for the past week and it breaks my heart. I've been praying for you and your wife and praying that the Lord would reveal himself to you in such a real and fresh way to the both of you during this time. Don't stop chasing after Jesus, He is always good. Even when our leaders are not. Love you brother 🫶🏼
Dude, so sorry this happened to you. Never give up keep getting the help you need and I believe you will fully recover and everything will somehow workout for the good.
I understand you.
It’s very difficult because people tend to believe in the abusive “leader” rather than the victimized.
Bigger voices person earn voice regardless. Smaller voiced ones are dismissed easily. We should not ignore this.
So sorry.
We see you and understand you.
I’m so sorry man… I have also been a victim of spiritual abuse. It is extremely damaging and traumatic. You question everything about your faith and reality. People really don’t realize how difficult it is until you’ve been through it. Keep your head up though. Jesus is always good despite it all.
The churches have been infiltrated and having discernment is so important. I don’t listen to the songs or music by Jeremy Riddle or any worship leader from …Bethel, Hillsong, Jesus Culture, Jesus Image, etc., etc. Your experience doesn’t surprise me. I am a fan of yours. Last year God called me to learn and play the drums after one testimony after another. After two months I started playing at my church as the drummer. The leaders spiritually tore me down and took a lot from me. After months of abuse I left the church and quit playing the drums. I’m still learning to play but I’m doing it at home on my own timing and I’ll wait for Gods will and His timing if that’s what He has planned. They took a piece of my heart and I know how you feel. I was a totally different person than what I was so, I understand you . Spiritual discernment is so important now in these last days. I loved learning from you and watching your uploads from when you were playing drums. You’re a brilliant drummer and an inspiration to so many of us. I pray you’ll reunite with your drums. I will pray for you and your wife’s healing. Most importantly I pray you and your wife will be whole again, physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually. God bless you and thank you for sharing what a terrible experience you went through. You have helped me and so many people by doing so.
Always got your back with prayer and support. Peace and love over you and your family.
I had an abusive release too, and after everything that happened, I no longer wanted to serve in the Church, thanks to God and sensible leaders I managed to overcome all that!
Genuinely love you man. I bought Jeremy's book "The Reset" for my team to read together. I couldn't get through the first few pages and I think I now know why. Going to share this with my team. We see this all too often. Leaders are beholden to God and his word alone. You did the right thing and I know you're in God's hands for what comes next. Thanks for speaking out.
So very sorry.
I have been through this in smaller ways in 2 different Vineyard churches that were kicked out of the Vineyard movement, but only after years of people unsuccessfully trying to get some response from the "up the line" leaders.
You can recover from this. Stay close to Jesus, and find a loving church. God is there for you and everyone else who is suffering.
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The saddest part about what happened is that the enemy was able to do what he promised he would. He came to steal, kill and destroy. It's clear that there was/is a lot of hurt and offense. It's very sad that the enemy was able to create a divide between leaders in the kingdom of God here on earth. The enemy hates worship, that's probably why he targeted people like you ..
I am actually looking forward to hearing Jeremy's side of the story as well.. I admire both of you guys and am actually very upset that something like this has happened.
What about the hook ups happening in Christian Youth Camp? Who is to blame? Pastoral leaders or this thing you called 'enemy'. People like you likes to divinized things huh instead of seeing what is actually happening in between the parties involved. I bet with A.I. screen projector yall with Jesus speaking be crying your hearts out of His Greatness haha or it is the Devil's work that church don't wanna be transparent with their financial assets.
I would like to hear Jeremy's side too, misunderstandings can happen. People are just people, famous or not and they can have flaws and make mistakes.
I am so sorry to hear that...i am Jordan. I started drumming since i was five and started plaaying drums at church when i was 7 and half. Now i am sixteen years old..and all that time..man you have been a great inspiration. Whenever i had to play something on sunday i always used watch your cover..and try to imitate it..your fills and techniques i liked so much though i couldnt play as good as you..man you were just a block of inspiration man...
So sorry to hear all of this...its sad how people in power and specifically in church do this...but i would like to tell you one thing LET GOD BE THE JUDGE. the word of God says that its Lord who exalts and pulls down leaders...Keep up your spirit man...please return worship drumming..dont leave...just know that Jesus is never like this...He loves the way you are...its just horrible how God used and interpreted in a wrong way.
GOD BLESS YOU.
JESUS ALWAYS AND WILL ALWAYS LOVE YOU❤
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So relate to what you said "in our process of leaving, we were thanking them for all of the stuff that they did to us"
I remember calling my pastor the day after our meeting that literally turned my life upside down, and apologized. I APOLOGIZED and said sorry if he thought I was being disrespectful.
This goes to show that before you escape, you are deeply rooted in systems of abuse and you don't even know if yet. It takes leaving fir you to realize just how twisted it is.
@@crystalccruz Yup you get it. Thanks for sharing, I’m so sorry you’ve experienced that too 😖
@@DeBoltDrumming defnitely have experienced it as well, sounds like our stories share some similarities. Are you open to brief back and forth maybe through email? I have a logistics question regarding you coming forward with this. Would completely understand if it's not something you're open to!
@@crystalccruz Absolutely, shoot me an email: noah@deboltdrumming.com
Me pone re triste esta situación , aprendí y empecé a tocar la batería en la iglesia gracias a tus videos. se que vas a poder superar esta situación , hoy duele pero va pasar todo , Dios usa lo malo para hacer algo increíble en tu corazón , fuerza amigo 💪🏾
I will read the article, and I don’t deny or diminish what happened to you guys, but I would like to hear the other side as well. There are always two sides and I think everyone should be heard out before any determinations can be made. My heart is saddened for you both and I pray that you don’t lose faith in who the Lord is and who the Lord says you both are. Love you guys! Bless you and I hope y’all can find rest and peace in the Lord 🙏🏽
There’s not 2 sides to abuse…ask the men who were sexually abused in the Catholic Church.
@@miket9732 I'm guessing someone has accused you of something during your life. Im also guessing you had a side lol
@@gb4317 I don’t follow?
@@miket9732does no one want to understand those that abuse? Was not Paul the worst before coming to Christ?
@@spearkc Jeremy is already a Christian, that’s what makes it hard to swallow. Satan is after all of us…even the so called Christian leaders fall… king David is a good example.peace my brother
Having been on the receiving end of both the Scott’s and the Riddle’s, I feel for you. Deep down they are cowards hiding behind a spiritual facade.
You’re speaking for my recent situation. I was in a cult like church for years, and you’ve described it perfectly. Praise God for your freedom!
Listen bro, I am 63 and was pushed out of music ministry many times due to envy/rivalry/chutch politics etc, and 15 years ago I simply stopped playing drums in church altogether. But recently my pastor (a humble powerfully wise bro) asked me to play again, and I agreed. SO I am getting to grips with the ableton tracks/click thing and am LOVING it, in fact I'm just as revitalised and even more enthusiastic than I was when I first started playing in 1980. The Lord has a way of "repaying for the years the locusts have eaten" Who knows you could end up in prison (in a worship revival team)
A fellow drummer here. Maaaan I feel you, honestly. My wife and I had a similar experience here in London. I’m sharing this video to her because what you expressed is basically how we felt back in the days. Man, we spent like full 2 years outside any form of church, but we never lost that fear for the Lord. I can tell you that now we’re in a better place, emotionally, spiritually and with a loving community. My prayers are with you, your wife and all the people hurt by this kind of abuse. Keep strong my brother
Hi, I'm a subscriber, because I really like your videos (they inspired me), but thanks for having the strength to speak about it in public, that happens in many churches, large and small.
I feel like I’m a better worship drummer because of you and your videos. I’m so sorry that happened to you! Prayers for you and your family! Thank you for sharing. God bless!
Sorry that happen to you brother. I pray you will find your way back to be the "Little Drummer boy" that God Intended you to be. When my son was 5 years old a nice young Christian man taught him the drums, and he LOVED it, my son is 27 years old and started his own band when he was 14 and they are still playing and making music- all because this young man took the time to teach my son the drums; I hope this inspires you to pick up your sticks again, clearly you have a gift to give
Hits so close to home. Shits awful. Heartbreaking truly.
Hey!
Thank you for sharing. I was spiritually abused a year ago as well. I’m sorry that happened. It sucks, but I’m glad you are out of that toxic environment. Also glad I’m not alone in healing from that darkness. May god guide us and bring us closer to him.
This breaks my heart man:( praying for you guys!
Praying for you man. I'm only 17 but you've been a huge part my childhood and I wouldn't have come so far without the videos you posted. Man will always fail but God never will. Be strong and stay close to God. Even when you don't feel it He's working. Love you man⚡️❤️. Hoping for a quick and full recovery in your life and the peace and joy that God has fills you🙏🙏🙏. We are all here for you and love you!!!
You have wisdom for only being 17! "Be strong and stay close to God." I pray those words never leave you because God never will. You give me hope in your generation, praise God!
Keep going strong bro! Your an inspiration to us worship drummers and your the first person I came across putting the click in the mix 🙌 praying for you and look forward to seeing more drumming content. Hang in there 🙏 god bless you
Noah, I’m so sorry this has happened to you. The fact that they didn’t want you around because you love loving people is an unimaginable thought to me. Your loving personality is what brought me to SJA 10 years ago when you invited me. Your passion for what you do is what inspired me to audition for worship at SJA as well as play there and for the last church I played at. I have no doubt you’ll find a church that will love and accept you for what you bring to the table. I hope everything. Turns out for the better!
Best of luck brother,
Jason
Thanks for sharing your story, i know speaking out isnt easy so im glad you did
My❤breaks for you brother! My wife and I went through a very similar experience at Oceans church in south Orange County. It is so the opposite of what a Bible believing church should be.
““Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’”
Matthew 7:21-23 ESV
You’re the second person who’s shared this about Oceans Church in OC. I’m so sorry you’ve experienced this pain.
Man, Im really sorry to hear that! I have gone through similar situations with two churches now that I have loved so deeply so I know some of the stresses and feelings and shame that comes from that, heck I'm STILL dealing with some of it. Even still, I can only imagine what you guys must be going through. I have always enjoyed your content, and I'm not even a drummer (LOL!). I just enjoy watching you worship and I try to learn as much as I can. Its inspiring watching you go.
I personally love your heart to love people as thats why I'm here, that is, loving the Lord. Because someone took one second of their time almost 10 years ago to talk to me and love on me and that changed my life forever. Ever since then I've made it my goal to love people like that as well so man I feel for you. My heart breaks truly
Please dont stop loving people. The world, and even the Christian faith, needs people like you and your wife.
Idk man maybe this wont mean anything, especially from a stranger who only knows 2.5% of yalls story so take it for a grain of salt. The Lord brought me to this realization a couple years ago that he hadn't been calling me to play guitar but instead he was calling me to love and encourage people. He was just using my guitar as one of my avenues to do that. Thats not to say you wont get to do what you love again when you're ready (or even when you love it again). The main thing I'm trying to say is that the Lord has called you to something and he's still got plans, good plans, for you and your wife. Stay faithful and he will lead you through this. He will finish the healing that has already begun if you continue let him. It wont be easy at times but he's got you guys.
Idk maybe all that doesn't mean anything to you man but I'll be praying for you guys!
When a church gets to the world stage, things fall apart, messages get construed, and power takes over. I constantly have to stop myself from thinking "it would be nice to be a part of a larger church, where there's larger budgets, there are more volunteers, things sound better, and I can take a week or two off each month." I remember that within a small church, there's still a calling, and usually in smaller churches, Pastors serve the church, rather than the other way around with some strange power dynamic. Praying you find healing from this church hurt, and that those involved realize what they're doing isn't for God.
Praying for you brother, truly your channel has blessed me immensely in my drumming journey…believe for the Lord to restore and bring healing to ya amigo
Thank you for sharing. I know how you feel my husband and I have been through the same thing. It’s been over a year now and I’m still trying to heal from it. It’s hard for me to trust as well.
So sorry to hear your story. Thank you for bringing this forward. God is still with you, no worries on that one, regardless of any 'prophet' telling you something different. Keep going and do that stuff you love. Best whishes
Praying for you and your family brother. My family and I just went through the same thing last August. Don’t stop forgiving, don’t stop healing. Love you man
So sorry to hear what you have experienced Noah, really praying for God to heal you and doubly strengthen your heart for and within Him! Praying that He will use what has been broken, not only to restore it, but to make it even better - that is, whatever the next steps He has planned for you and your wife. I have personally really enjoyed and benefitted from the work that you have put into DeBoltDrumming, but only God decides the future of this ministry. Really praying for God to pull you in closer and grow you and your wife through this trial, and all others affected too! 🙏
It's a shame to hear that you have lost your passion for playing the drums - I think that it's such an amazing way to worship God, and I'm sure that you felt the same way in the past. If it is His will to bring back this passion, I pray that He will make it burn even brighter than before. But whatever the result is with your drumming, I just pray that any passion that will stir up within you in the future will be one from God that increases your passion FOR GOD!!
I’m so sorry for everything you and your wife have been through. 💔
I was never faithful or in church growing up. I especially didn't care for the idea of mega churches and places where the "leaders" become worshiped themselves. Even as a non Christian this went against what I knew to be acceptable based on what my mom had talked to me about. I joined a church last year that has a regular attendance of about 300 people per Sunday and I absolutely love playing drums every time with our group. They are some of the most compassionate and caring/open people I have every had the grace and joy to be friends with. I started watching your videos around May of last year and love the guides and playthroughs/live videos you do. I am sorry this happened to you for sure as I am sure it does quite a bit to break down that trust barrier with places like this going forward. I know you say you won't be doing anything on the side of drumming right now, but I would just like to let you know that you should never let what people have done to you stop you from doing what you love. I hope to see you back making videos when you are ready.
Sorry to hear about that bro. God knows what is in your heart. Let's do our best to please and honor Him, through the talent and gifts that He gave to us in the midst of chaos.
Les comparto algo corto de mi vida ministerial actual: Soy baterista de mi congregación y estuve un tiempo distanciado porque estuve ocupado; eran unas capacitaciones de una compañía bastante reconocida en el mercado y se gana bastante bien. Pero el tiempo para el ministerio y servicio, de había reducido y decidí mejor organizar el tiempo de servicio en primer lugar por encima de cualquier cosa, incluso de la compañía donde se gana bueno. Regresé super entusiasmado y pues obviamente me iba integrando de a poco. Pero el ministerio ha cambiado bastante, y siento como que ya no sirvo u encajo allí; ni me tienen en cuenta ya para muchas cosas. Todo lo llevan a lo espiritual y quiza sea segun ellos porque no estaba bien y mas y mas cosas. Ahora si que no estoy bien en verdad, de a poco he ido perdiendo esa pasión por la batería y me quebranta; porque regrese, aun dejando a una gran compañia, con la mejor actitud y disposición. Pero simplemente parece que ya no les sirvo,
En el nombre de Dios me dejaron a un lado, te entiendo perfectamente Debolt 🥀
Wow, me entristece escuchar estas historias… creo que los líderes qué enseñan en las congregaciones doctrinan para que nosotros no hagamos cuestionamientos y entendamos que sino servimos a Dios en el templo estamos mal, si elegimos otras cosas que si pertenecen a nuestras vidas, como un empleo de superación como estudiar y otras cosas ellos quieren hacernos ver que no estamos bien delante de Dios, pero podremos servir a Dios en cualquier lugar
sorry to hear that my brother. i know what that is like. we had the same problem and we had to leave our ministry of many years because "we didnt follow the rules" "we dont think like them" "how dare we question them". we are not there to serve leaders. but out Father in heaven. what we did was, we walked away. knowing God would use us somewhere else. people need to understand that they can just walk away. and i hope that you can as well my brother. ask God for guidance.
Really unfortunate. I was also hurt by a church and the “leaders” within it. I quit music all together for over a year. Church culture is so damn toxic and it’s what drives people away. If you question anything or stand up for what’s right, you’re pushed away. I’m
Sorry this happened to you, but you’re not alone.
Thank you so much for being brave and sharing your story. Spiritual abuse is such a serious problem in the church.
On another matter surrounding additional accusations - Judge dismisses $62m US lawsuit against controversial former NI pastor and singer wife. Wed 20 Dec 2023 at 22 : 50 - Belfast Telegraph
I have a two year story very similar to yours. It took quite some time and much learning to unscrew what was so messed up about it. The confusion and then shame that were part of it turned for a time to disbelief that I could be so gullible. I've come to understand this was part of it as well. I've gained a whole skill set of navigation about it all. In my story, it is a very large megachurch with a smaller church in a vulnerable community in the city. I've spoken out to warn others but honestly it's such a wild story, unless you know people just don't get it. I'm way better than I was for a long time but it took quite a a bit of work to get there. I commend you for speaking up and sharing your story. May the Lord leverage it for the benefit of others.
One more thought - watching the creation of "culture" for branding and image purposes by using the Word of God in manipulative ways was definitely the worst. These people have the deception dialed in. It was so gross to see earnest people fall for the deception knowing I was once one of those people. God knows. That's where I've come to. He knows, he will direct and work in it on His plan. I'm open to whatever that looks like but it has to be Him. I believe He calls us to speak up about the mishandling. I also had to lay down the desire to make it right myself. That can be complex but He has been present in that nuance. All the best to you I'm your healing.
Praying for you. I was forced out of Baptist ministry when my Dad died, definitely spiritual abuse took place to myself and family. Fortunately re building our lives and i am concentrating on my books. Praying for you.
Hey, man. First of all i'm so sorry for what you've gone through. I've already suffered this in seferal churches i've past as well. Second i would like to encourage you to not quit or diconnect yourself from drums or church. When you play and worship God you're pouring something spiritual over people and sharing the annointing of God over your life. This is precious and that's why the enemy is using this situation to put you down. I recomend you to find a christian and good therapist to help with the emotional abuse and try to find a small church with discipleship and home groups...something simple but real where you can connect with people of God and not be alone. And keep drumming, maybe not in church for now but at your house. Make it simple, just you and God. Don't stop praising the Lord with your life and skills. He loves you and He loves what He have given you. We love you as well and you've been a blessing to so many people. Take your time, let God heal your hearts and encourage you one more time.
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O Noah não é apenas um instrumentista como muitos já viram, ele é um músico que me inspira todos os dias pra continuar tocando na igreja, eu assisto os seus vídeos e choro, e também é uma das minhas maiores influências nessa questão de fé, ele não assume apenas uma bateria para tocar como a maioria dos músicos, amas ele presta uma adoração concreta a Deus, e ele é uma das minhas maiores inspirações, eu te amo muito cara, Deus está com voce❤ ( você me inspira muito que o meu papel de parede do celular é a foto do seu site)
Noah, first off, I want you to know you’ve inspired me and your videos helped and encouraged me as a drummer. I am so grateful for what you have done.
I am so sorry that you have lost all desire to get behind a kit. I am also deeply saddened to hear this story. I am praying for you, and stand behind you in solidarity. I hope you and your wife can find healing from this.
Hey Noah, I usually don't comment on videos but this story (unfortunately) is more common these days and I hope this comment helps you and your wife.
Firstly, sorry to hear that you and those around you were abused spiritually. I hope and pray that your faith and trust in Jesus only strengthens at witnessing and experiencing the fragility and sinful nature of mankind.
I too have been spiritually abused and have seen an exodus of friends and family leave a church where our ex-senior pastor was the perpetrator. After struggling to find a church and also seeing others completely disowning their faith, I have also witnessed the sovereign God, do His work several years later, gently pulling the heartstrings of his children. Not in some divine, sudden and sporadic nature that many charismatic churches portray. More in the day-to-day, week to week and month-to-month - a slow change in people's hearts that has led them back into the body of Christ.
All this I hope encourages you and your wife and the journey you both are going through to look towards the perfect human (Jesus) and have your friends and family support you moving forward..
Ugh! I’m so sorry to hear this Noah. My heart aches for you and your wife.
This spiritual abuse just simply does not reflect the character of Jesus.
I pray that as you walk through this, that you’ll feel Jesus near, that you’ll experience healing and restoration. I believe Jesus loves you unconditionally and accepts you just the way you are.
I love your desire to want to help people, and believe it or not, you’re helping people even as you walk through this valley. Thank you for your boldness in sharing your story.
And please…keep asking questions. Jesus is not afraid of questions. :)
If you need to talk to a complete stranger who also loves Jesus and drums, give me a call. 🙂
As a practicing traditional Catholic, I do not agree with you from a thological basis. However, It is clear that those who you have named are under spiritual attack themselves. I will pray for you, this will be a long healing process (but you know this part already). Do not give into resentment assofar as becoming resistant to the idea of forgiving them at some point. As sinners, we are no better than the next person. Also pray for them, there is a malevolent reason why they act how they do. God bless.