I was Spiritually Abused
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ย. 2024
- Please read this article: julieroys.com/...
Sadly, Jeremy Riddle, Alan Scott, and some of the other pastors/leaders at Dwelling Place Anaheim (formerly known as Vineyard Anaheim) are wolves in sheep's clothing. I'm very appreciative to Julie Roys / The Roy's Report for covering the broader story (article linked above).
P.S. This video contains only about 2.5% of my individual story detailing the abuse and gaslighting.
#jeremyriddle #spiritualabuse #dwellingplaceanaheim #exvangelical
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I made a follow up video that contains the audio recordings I mentioned, as well as much more evidence of wrongdoing. Check it out here:
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Debolt você foi o único baterista que eu senti que tocava não pela fama ou religiosidade, mas sim para Deus e para edificar aqueles que o ouvem, e sobre a musicalidade foi um dos melhores que já ouvi, desejo que Deus o abençoe e te dê forças para se reconstruir espiritualmente e um dia adorar Ele sendo baterista novamente e postar os vídeos para nós te acompanharmos.
Ele foi um revolucionista
I’m so sorry you went through this, bro. May the Lord bring healing and peace for you and your wife.
I had an abusive release too, and after everything that happened, I no longer wanted to serve in the Church, thanks to God and sensible leaders I managed to overcome all that!
It is STILL truly sad to watch a video like this and without taking sides, what is concerning is the justification that if a situation like this arises between two brothers in Christ that Matthew 18:15 is null and void if one of the brothers is famous, well-known, well-liked, has hundreds of thousands of followers, lives in a gated community, or drives a nice car. The concerning part is that it justifies and teaches others that it is ok to compromise Scripture. The Word of God is quite clear on the importance of Scripture within the body of Christ, within the Church, and among and between believers, even in matters like this.
The Scriptures say, "Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother." Matthew 18:15 ( Note: If your brother has trespassed against you, repentance, forgiveness, and reconciliation are exactly what God's Will is in matters like this ). Further Matthew 18:15 also sets the stage for two brothers to reason with one another over a matter.
What the Scriptures do not say is that if your brother is famous, well-known, well-liked, has hundreds of thousands of followers, lives in a gated community, or drives a nice car, you can toss the Word of God to the side or compromise Scripture for personal reasons and openly slander your brother, create gossip, and assassinate your brother's character for thousands of people to openly see and hear. The Scriptures also do not say that you can be a talebearer in such matters.
In bypassing Scripture and justifying it rather than going to your brother alone in love whom you say has sinned ( trespassed ) against you and allowing the Scriptures, the Holy Spirit, and the love of Christ to intervene is equally alarming. There are now over 56K viewers to date with 2.7K likes and 572 comments who have listened to a one-sided story that now has become a form of gossip, slander, and character assassination and lays a foundation that is not Christ-like and compromises the Word of God. It further compromises not only the scriptures mentioned above but has now also opened the door to compromising many other scriptures while inviting others to take part in such.
Is this what we want to teach others in Christ, the believer and even the unbeliever who might view this video? Is this love, a fruit of the Spirit, and most importantly, does it give honor, and glory to God? Is this loving others or loving on people as you mentioned in the video?
Secondly, the Scriptures state, "But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses, every word may be established. Matthew 18:16. ( God chose to take one or two more for a reason, a very good reason )
What the Scriptures do not say is that you can establish the matter in an open forum for 56K people to view and comment about the matter and get even with your brother whom you believe has sinned against you while slandering him, attacking his character, and speaking poorly about the man's wife. Ultimately, you are not just speaking about a brother and his wife who is also your sister in Christ. You are speaking about two members of the body of Christ which makes them a part of the bride of Christ whom Jesus is their Beloved Husbandman.
Thirdly, the Scriptures say, " And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglects to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. Matthew 18:17 ( Chances are even when there have been offenses, rarely does it get to this point, which is also not God's Will and this is exactly why Matthew 18:15-16 exists and is written ).
What the Scripture does not say is that you can bypass Matthew 18:15-16, self-impose and enact Matthew 18:17, pass judgment, and assassinate a brother's character, while making him out to be a heathen or as you say a "wolf in sheep's clothing" while inviting others into that forum and process.
We are not talking about a bunch of kids playing at kindergarten in the sandbox here. It is the very bride of Christ, His sons, His daughters, and His flock that is viewing this video and listening to its contents. Does this give glory to God? Is this how we as members of the body of Christ, as the bride of Christ shine brightly for Jesus? Is this how we uplift and encourage one another? Does this fall under the greatest of all gifts, which is love?
Would it not have been better to approach your brother in the love of Christ and in person as the Scriptures say? Would it not have been better to call your brother on the telephone or visit the church that he attends and approach him in person, in the love of Christ, as his brother in Christ? At the very least, would it not have been better to even write and send an email or a letter, honor your brother, honor yourself, honor the Scriptures, and most importantly honor God?
In the book of John, it is written, “A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another, as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.” John 13:34. Is this video an extension of love?
And what is love? "Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs." 1 Corinthians 13:4-5.
Is this video an extension of love? Is this loving on others as you mentioned in the video? And what of God's flock, His called and chosen, His sons and daughters, His sheep, even His lambs? What is this video teaching them and how is it edifying to the viewer? How does this video, the tones behind it, the heart behind it, the bitterness expressed, the slander offered, and the reality and fact that it compromises Scripture give Glory to God?
And what of all those young ones out there that admire you, that want to be a great drummer like you? Is this what you want to teach them? Is this what you want them to see and hear coming out of the depths of your heart as words on a video? For out of the mouth comes forth the abundance of the heart. Matthew 15:18
I leave you with the words of Jesus as recorded in Matthew 5:9, "Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.”
We are here for you 🙏🏻.
God give you a call.
Don’t stop just because someone do bad things in the name of God over you.
God its on your side 🙏🏻
Keep doing drums ✊🏻⚔️🔥
Figth the good battle
As a practicing traditional Catholic, I do not agree with you from a thological basis. However, It is clear that those who you have named are under spiritual attack themselves. I will pray for you, this will be a long healing process (but you know this part already). Do not give into resentment assofar as becoming resistant to the idea of forgiving them at some point. As sinners, we are no better than the next person. Also pray for them, there is a malevolent reason why they act how they do. God bless.
RUN FROM THESE PLACES! Is what I'm saying since years ago... The evangelical church and all its ramifications are the same as catholic, one pastor all the leaders and the people warming up the seats... A THING NEVER READ in the scriptures, where everybody share the testimony of Yahshua, sing, has doctrine, can baptize another new believer, EVERYONE!! not only these fashion pastors... when you realize that can heal the sick, baptize and share the gospel and don't have to wait any approval of "your spiritual authority guy?". Meet in homes with other believers, start praying, start reading the scriptures and YHWH will lead you. RUN FROM THESE PLACES, they need your money, don't care about your faith growing, they need to pay bills, new amps, lights, displays, mixing consoles, UPS, and millions for these building, but they will collapse one day and started years ago...
There is nothing wrong about loving people, however ministering to God has to be the center of our life, not people. It's sad that the church has come to this, bashing each other on public platforms, in front of unbelievers. There are other ways to do this without bringing shame to Jesus in public. I feel like you need to man up a little, just a little bit and not hide behind a screen but work thru things in a more mature way. When you started talking I thought it would be something serious, you just come across as a cry baby to me. And btw, making videos like this is not loving people at all.
Amen couldn’t agree more. Even if all your quote on quote “accusations” were true, you’re in the wrong by making this video. This video is not “loving”. Man up, talk to Jeremy face to face. Especially with a platform the size that you have.
Whew. I went through the same thing with the same ppl. Glad you got out.
I’m sorry but do you mind explaining what happened to you?
Bro, it's a bit different. The Bible is pretty clear on homosexuality.
@@austinc2997 You don’t know my story and you do not know the bible as much as you think you do. Educate yourself. Independent of my sexuality, these people are still abusers. To be perfectly clear someone’s sexual orientation is not justification for abuse.
@@diondavis1026 Hey I get it, the Bible is offensive, but I don't need your story to understand The Truth. Scripture is pretty clear on homosexuality, and you can't gaslight the Riddles for giving you The Truth on the matter.
With all that said, I love your voice. I hope one day to hear you singing worship music again. You're very talented.
@@austinc2997 You completely missed the point. You’re so focused on my sexuality-which had nothing to do with their abusive behavior towards me that you’re siding with abusers. Also, you don’t know what gaslight means 😂
I don't know you, you have no clue who I am, so know this is said as kindly as internet words can manage. You don't want to go down the road of trying to expose people.
Please take 2min to hear what I'm saying. Doing this video costs you even if you're 100% right about everything you're saying.
I get why you would WANT to for sure...I get how most of current society champions that you should.
BUT, what I'll strongly push you towards is leaving room for God to be your vindicator, and room for God to be the one to expose sin.
If you're 100% right and you expose it all, and get completely vindicated...it'll still cost you in the arena of the childlike trust-walk you're building with God.
For real. It will COST you...even if you "win".
If you let God be your vindicator, the exposer of wrongdoing, etc, WATCH WHAT HAPPENS in your personal walk with Him.
You'll come out with treasure that is so much more rich than the pain you experience from imperfect people doing imperfect things to you.
You WANT...more than anything on earth...the treasure that comes from Him making the way for you, Him being your defender, Him fighting your battles.
It's the most extraordinary place to live life from.
Doing this directly assaults that relationship.
Your success from here on has nothing to do with the people who have hurt you. It has everything to do with what you let God do in you as a result.
Oh man, I get it, too. I've been SUPER burned by leaders at times. My wife has had leaders go scorched earth at her for issues that didn't even exist.
You get nothing from being the exposer.
You get so stinking much from taking the humble (and painful) road of looking solely to God to make all things right.
And promise me, God will expose EVERYTHING and make EVERYTHING public. He may take longer than you'd like, but if what's happened/happening somewhere bothers His heart, know with confidence that He's very capable of dealing with it well.
I'm surprised more people aren't giving this advice!
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@@learnwordpress6441 There have only been a handful of times I've truly been burned by someone in church/ministry. Man did they sting, though.
But also...WOW, did my relationship with God go through the roof when I handled it correctly.
To the point that the #1 thing I feel when I see videos like this is compassion for the poster - they have no idea what they're missing out on going this route.
The other way is a slower, more humble, even shameful-feeling route to go, but if the MAIN THING you're building in life is intimacy with God, it's the only way you want to go.
Trust me.
DM him then man. Posting this “correcting” comment publicly is doing the same thing you’re saying he is doing.
@@chistowlangston2031 It's for everyone else to see, too (probably moreso...who knows if he'l ever even see my comment among the noise). This is going to happen to nearly everyone at some point or another. And when it happens, it sucks, but it'll be a launching pad if you handle it right.
@@chistowlangston2031 There's a difference between
publicly airing what happens in private with the intent to expose flaws
and
publicly commenting to other participants watching a public video that there's a better way
My heart breaks for you, man. I'm so sorry you guys were hurt by others in the name of God.
hahhahah dramatic hypersensitive, and weak stupid Christians... That's why I stopped being a Christian for people as dramatic and crying and hypersensitive and emotionally weak
Hey Noah, I never comment on videos, but I probably started watching your stuff 6 months ago, and got super inspired by all the drum cam videos and tutorials. It's been a huge blessing, and then I noticed that you haven't posted anything in a year a couple weeks ago. I was actually praying for you and your family last week after watching "This is Amazing Grace but an 8th note ahead" (hilarious btw). The Lord just put you guys on my heart. I help pretty heavily in ministry (and drum) for a church of 50 who probably. We believe in the continuation of the the gifts of the Spirit. But dramatically different that the abuse you've experienced with it. So that's why I'm writing this long comment!
Anyway, I'm so sorry for the abuse you've experienced. I was pretty shocked about the "worry about being a Levite in the house of God" thing. But when I read the article about the body types, I was horrified. Honestly, the doctrine I saw from that article was straight up satanic. Complete antichrist, and if that's ever present in a ministry, the WHOLE church needs to be brought to repentance. Prophecy is something that has to be treated with the upmost sober minded and humility. Because if done with pride (which it so often is), and without accountability to the body of Christ and the Word, this is what happens. It should always be subject for interpretation and correction of others in the church.
Back to the "worry about being a Levite in the house of God" bit that you spoke of for Jeremy. I LOVE Spirit-led, spontaneous, powerful worship. I believe you and your wife do too. And I enjoy Jeremy Riddle's worship, BUT I do see an obsession with "the glory" that creates such an unreachable bar that is set (and sometimes we set for ourselves). I don't know him, and so I could be completely wrong here, so please correct me if if I am. And Jeremy could also totally not believe this at all, but this is just how I interpret that interaction. So if that's what he said, it needs loving correction.
This idea that we need to worship like David did, like the Levites did, to honor God. It sounds really nice when you say it, and is Biblical, but trying to symbolically (and almost literally) put it into practice, we would be so burdened by that Old Testament law that we would be in constant fear and stress to preform and appease God like Israel was. They try to connect the Old Covenant with the New, and try to force the practice that in reality, is NOT how the Levites worshiped and served. They served from a position of works to appease God. Hebrews 9 talks about how that Old Covenant was not enough, and that this New Covenant with Jesus is what we are living in now. We are suppose to come BOLDY to the throne for His grace.
We Christians should desire to actively walk in holiness, to be abandoned in worship, and to seek the presence of God in worship. But if the cost is benching people because they aren't "abandoned enough," and ostracizing those who may be learning to walk out their faith, then we are walking in pride. Trying to create a "atmosphere" that is built on works, when originally we want it to be built on the Spirit.
And side note, I'm saying this from experience. I want to SO BADLY serve and help set the stage for people to feel engaged in worship. I just want to do my part in making a space for the Holy Spirit to move. But that's also the problem. It's not by what I do! Even if I do everything I can. Pray, fast, repent, speak in tongues, or whatever. It's by HIS power, not by mine. And when we set the requirement for our volunteers to be "you need to worry about being a Levite" it puts all the responsibility on us. When in reality, it's by what Jesus did on the cross, not about what I can do.
This was spiritual abuse, and leadership needs to be humble and repent. It's not condemnation on anyone, but there is a massive pruning that needs to take place.
Anyway back to you Noah. You're an inspiration, and you have a market cornered in the worship drumming space that is so valuable to so many. Your style is incredible. Your ability to teach IS a gift of the Spirit. And for someone to tell you that it's not from God you gotta say "get behind me!" Again, I'm so sorry this happened to you and your family. Your heart is clearly for Jesus, and though your ground has been rocked, your faith is still openly present. I pray that you are able to get plugged back into a church that can walk with you while you heal. And fan the flame of your gifts instead of quenching it.
And for those watching. Character always above gift. Drumming is Noah's gift, but being right mentally and spiritually is way more important. Unfortunately, worship volunteering can quickly become a thing where the talent and gift is valued way above the well being of the person. Take same time to heal, but know that the work that God started for you, He is faithful to complete it. Your an inspiration bro, keep going!
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I am 42 years old and grew up in a church like this. I stopped going and vowed to never attend a church ever again. I prayed everyday and still loved God and had relationship with him. Long story short, I found a amazing pastor and started going again.
The things I went through as a child still affect me today. I can totally feel what you're saying. I love your ministry and your heart. Stay strong brother. Hope to see more videos soon
Spiritual abuse is a movement of its own that is much needed to be exposed 😢
Keep walking with Jesus. He's the only One we will give account to. 🙏❤👑
Bro, you put yourself under Jeremy's authority, YOU signed up for it, if it was a job he was your boss. You need to for your own good take this down and say sorry to him ... Because ultimately bro you signed up. Hence You can't beat the system. He told you to do something as your pastor and you wouldn't do it. In the army that could result in a court martial. Same with God's system and that is biblical.
Now by the sounds of it and judging from the content, your ministry was a spinoff under his ministry which is not how this works... You can't run your own ministry under someone else's ministry especially if it clashes with theirs. it's 100% understandable they woukd be concerned about that. Again think of any regular employer or military. So can you at least look at it from a different perspective and consider these things.
The only thing I can see in your video is that you did not let yourself be shepherded by your pastor, you may not understand it this way, but he was taking care of your heart and your spiritual life!
According to the argument that he mentioned about your channel: "It is that you were very careful with egocentrism or the haughty spirit when you have many followers" perhaps it is something that Pastor Riddle went through, and somehow he does not want you to go through friend!
For some reason the Lord Jesus left Riddle the shepherd to be able to shepherd you, this goes beyond something human, IT IS SOMETHING SPIRITUAL, which you may not understand at this moment but it was and is for your spiritual well-being.
You do not know the blessing that exists when serving in your church and being under cover, the Bible is clear:
"Humble yourselves, then, under the mighty hand of God, so that he may exalt you in due time." 1 Peter 5:6
Powerful Hand of God = 5 Ministries, Pastor, Apostle, Prophet, Teacher, Evangelist.
Spiritual abuse is far to common in the church. Thank you for the courage to speak out against these Godless forces.
May God continue to bless you and your wife. ✝️
This story is very sad. I’m glad you’ve started the healing journey, brother it’s hard but you’ll be whole again. Telling the world was actually a really good idea for your own well-being, glad you put this out there. Keep your chin up, guy. Things can only get better from here 👍
Que triste amigo, lamentável isso ter chegado a esse ponto. 😢...fui no The Send , evento realizado aqui no Brasil e curti bastante vc tocando bateria, tocou com bastante entusiasmo e com ótima performance. Espero que se recupere dessa situação. Saiba que Jesus está com vc o tempo todo, todos nós precisamos de Cristo, inclusive esses líderes. Diante Dele todos são pequenos!
Hey Noah, thank you for having the courage to speak out. In one aspect it’s sad to hear the continual depravity of mankind even in the church, but also encouraging because it shows no one is perfect and the need for Jesus is equally so much greater. I was born and raised in Irvine and have witnessed everything you have said. I’ll be praying for you and your wife, and that your ministry continues to bless the Christian drumming community. Much love from Switzerland, Joe
i love that you never lost sight of the Lord through all of this💛 You are in my thoughts and prayers Mr. & Mrs.DeBolt
Sorry to hear. This is far too common today. I have similar experiences and it is very hard to commit to a church after this kind of trauma
I’m so sorry man… I have also been a victim of spiritual abuse. It is extremely damaging and traumatic. You question everything about your faith and reality. People really don’t realize how difficult it is until you’ve been through it. Keep your head up though. Jesus is always good despite it all.
My Wife and I went through this same thing. I was a Worship Pastor, and because I brought the lost direction and lack of Biblical guidance and lack of Discipleship, and being extremely burnt out. And there is a lot more. I even sold all my music gear ($15,000 worth). Didn’t touch music for a year.
But I have learned more from those who wronged me than my best friends. Stay strong in the lord.
DeBolt drumming has been such a huge inspiration for me. I've seen so many of your Instagram videos, followed your tutorials and drum covers... A pastor/leader in church isn't supposed to put you down, but lift you up. This page has reached so many people because of the passion you have to spread the truth, give love, teach, and inspire musicians around the world.
These words were tough to hear, and I can't even imagine the pain you went through to speak up. You've got courage.
DeBolt drumming WILL NOT FAIL. Because GOD sees what you're doing. The people you have impacted, we see what you're doing
We stand with you! Much love man... ♥
I forgot to mention that I've lost any passion I had to play the drums. I thought you should know that before everyone expects me back behind the kit. Again, please read this article: julieroys.com/exclusive-former-vineyard-staff-accuse-alan-scott-of-abuse-manipulation-lies/
Me está pasando casi lo mismo y se como se siente, pero hay que seguir adelante con la ayuda de Dios que Dios te bendiga
I knew something was going on when you suddenly disappeared, I am sad for you and your family specially because you lost passion for drums ,but I will pray for you guys in the name of Jesus Christ you will be back you just need healing and it is a process.
The passion to start drumming has just started returning for me after experiencing this kind of trauma back in 2013. It goes deep. Trust is hard to give, good friends are hard to come by after all you knew were church friends. It can really set you back.
I would just like to say that your past live drumming videos have really helped in getting me back to my passion of playing. I really don't think there is anything you can do to force the passion to return, but i pray you find the point where you can be happy and move forward.
So sad. I'm really curious of whats happening to you bro? I always thinking where is debolt right now? why he's gone? i always look at you bro,waiting for your upload videos. So thankful that your back! We're here to support you and accept you no matter what🤝. I Prayed that God will heal you for that situation,we dont know why it happens but God will reveal you everything through prayer and meditiation. Godbless you brother💪Keep on drumming🔥Debolt drumming will grow.
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You are a survivor. We must speak of it we just must . Thank you for speaking out.
I am survivor too.
Lotalty doctrine
Prosperity doctrine
Misogonism - watch for it .
These are the characteristics .
The loyalty culture is very prominent in churches and that if you conform,even to the extent of self harm,then that’s great. Deviate from that path and you’re seen as a trouble maker. Not only that,but you’re seen as ‘anti vision’. However,the bible says we’ve to ‘esteem each other greater than ourselves and that the least is the greatest’. Jesus is lord,not any man, no matter how prominent or gifted. Healing is found outside of the hamster wheel of guilt.
man - i’m so sickened and sad to hear this, i couldnt believe what i was hearing
i’ll be praying for you guys ❤
i believe it 100%
Aww... why can't the body of Christ be kind to each other WITHIN the church! Leaders are annointed, true. But they're not kings. Nobody should be tearing anyone down, that's God's job. And He doesn't even resort to that. - Prophetic annointing is legitimate but it doesn't mean you're an emperor!
Você que está lendo esse comentário, ore por esse rapaz!
On another matter surrounding additional accusations - Judge dismisses $62m US lawsuit against controversial former NI pastor and singer wife. Wed 20 Dec 2023 at 22 : 50 - Belfast Telegraph
Really unfortunate. I was also hurt by a church and the “leaders” within it. I quit music all together for over a year. Church culture is so damn toxic and it’s what drives people away. If you question anything or stand up for what’s right, you’re pushed away. I’m
Sorry this happened to you, but you’re not alone.
I found this quite unsavoury. You’re obviously hurting but I think it’s unwise to make a video like this and it does a lot more damage than good. A lot of resentment and bitterness coming through. You need to submit the situation to Christ. This video screams spiritual immaturity.
Ugh! I’m so sorry to hear this Noah. My heart aches for you and your wife.
This spiritual abuse just simply does not reflect the character of Jesus.
I pray that as you walk through this, that you’ll feel Jesus near, that you’ll experience healing and restoration. I believe Jesus loves you unconditionally and accepts you just the way you are.
I love your desire to want to help people, and believe it or not, you’re helping people even as you walk through this valley. Thank you for your boldness in sharing your story.
And please…keep asking questions. Jesus is not afraid of questions. :)
If you need to talk to a complete stranger who also loves Jesus and drums, give me a call. 🙂
i am korean I also listened to Bethel Church or Hillsong music and prayed while listening to those songs. And I know they are possessed by other spirits. also Korean Christian music-oriented worship is attracting young people. The colorful lights and music make us fall into the illusion that we believe in Jesus and worship God. It was, after all, an act of praising myself. Leaders have a physically attractive appearance, and the melody of music and emotional lyrics also steal people's emotions. The purpose of a Christian is to follow Jesus, not a person. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. And Jesus leads us to the cross.
The example you cited about being ‘abused’ sounds really vague.. sounds like you guys just don’t get along. Move on then… you don’t have to make a public video just to slander him.
Get back with the channel, make some drum covers/videos and we'll be here to enjoy it and support you. There's tons of love from Brasil to you!!!!!!
Cant say this surprises me. When someone claims God has appointed THEM as prophet and nobody can question them, it's the ultimate narcissism. Run. Every man is open to scrutiny. Every pastor. Every person in leadership roles.
Noah! A good friend of mine mentioned your story at work today and I saw you and your math hat and immediately remembered meeting you at Canopy in Costa Mesa. I remember talking to you just before you left for a job for your wife. I had no idea this was all going on behind the scenes just before you were at Canopy (maybe even during). I can't even begin to imagine how damaging this was and still is for the two of you.
Solid message, honesty, and props for directly calling things out for what they are. My wife and I will 100% be praying for you guys and honestly if you'd hit me with your venmo link I'd love to support the therapy fund the little I can as I hope you are getting the support you need in what I can only imagine to be a really discombobulating and hard time. Either way wish you all the best.
Good to hear from you man, I hope you’re well. We were feeling the pain silently and unaware of what had actually transpired while we were there. It’s crazy looking back.
@@DeBoltDrumming ““Come to me, all of you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, because I am lowly and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.”
Matthew 11:28-29
What your going through doesn’t reflect the character of Jesus❤
What exactly happened?
I will read the article, and I don’t deny or diminish what happened to you guys, but I would like to hear the other side as well. There are always two sides and I think everyone should be heard out before any determinations can be made. My heart is saddened for you both and I pray that you don’t lose faith in who the Lord is and who the Lord says you both are. Love you guys! Bless you and I hope y’all can find rest and peace in the Lord 🙏🏽
There’s not 2 sides to abuse…ask the men who were sexually abused in the Catholic Church.
@@miket9732 I'm guessing someone has accused you of something during your life. Im also guessing you had a side lol
@@gb4317 I don’t follow?
@@miket9732does no one want to understand those that abuse? Was not Paul the worst before coming to Christ?
@@spearkc Jeremy is already a Christian, that’s what makes it hard to swallow. Satan is after all of us…even the so called Christian leaders fall… king David is a good example.peace my brother
I feel like I’m a better worship drummer because of you and your videos. I’m so sorry that happened to you! Prayers for you and your family! Thank you for sharing. God bless!
Brother, this stuff is commonplace, sadly. I was abused by many highly respected, well-known international ministers. Jer 23:1 "Woe to the shepherds who destroy and scatter the sheep of My pasture!" says the LORD." You don't misrepresent the Lord. There's a huge price to pay for that!!
The saddest part about what happened is that the enemy was able to do what he promised he would. He came to steal, kill and destroy. It's clear that there was/is a lot of hurt and offense. It's very sad that the enemy was able to create a divide between leaders in the kingdom of God here on earth. The enemy hates worship, that's probably why he targeted people like you ..
I am actually looking forward to hearing Jeremy's side of the story as well.. I admire both of you guys and am actually very upset that something like this has happened.
What about the hook ups happening in Christian Youth Camp? Who is to blame? Pastoral leaders or this thing you called 'enemy'. People like you likes to divinized things huh instead of seeing what is actually happening in between the parties involved. I bet with A.I. screen projector yall with Jesus speaking be crying your hearts out of His Greatness haha or it is the Devil's work that church don't wanna be transparent with their financial assets.
I would like to hear Jeremy's side too, misunderstandings can happen. People are just people, famous or not and they can have flaws and make mistakes.
Sinto muito meu amigo , que Deus restaure sua alma . Desejo o melho de Deus pra você !
Espero que você volte logo irmão! Estamos com vc.
Stay strong. You will get through this. You will be ok.
I read the article,goodness that is an epic story of abusive behavior. Very toxic and harmful, I’m glad you made it out.
Irmão, sei o quanto isso é triste. Ainda mais quando envolve o evangelho de Cristo. Estamos com você, que Deus te abençoe e derrame forças sobre você e sua esposa. Um abraço de um grande admirador seu aqui no Brasil. 🇧🇷
Bro we’ll said 🔥
This is rarely ever talked about thank you for your honesty 🙌🏽
I went through that in my teen years. It changed me deeply. Still dealing with the scars. I'm 34 now. God bless, man.
Me too I’m in my 30’s now and it stole over a decade of my life 😞
I’m 36 and still dealing with what I went though at 18.
Almost 50, I yearn to be part of a church family, but still have such massive reservations ...
@@RlRdHd brother, go back. Jesus is still the same and people are people. Full of sins. Satan uses people to try to set us apart from God.
as Jonathon Mendoza said, there are always two sides to every story. Listen to him carefully, and you will only hear assumptions (no details) and misinterpreted view of Matthew 18. There are no power dynamics in that scripture. All believers are equal in the kingdom with Christ as the head.
An encouraging word for you Noah, I hope you read this.
Ive had the privilege to play a set with you sometime in 2018/2019 at Centerpoint church Murrieta. I was pretty new to bass at the time and I sucked. But playing with you stretched me so much and inspired me to improve on my craft. You gave me an encouraging word and said something along the lines of, "keep investing in yourself and your playing." That meant so much to me, really. I had a few more years of playing and gotten to play on a few projects and gig at various churches in my area. I would also play along to some of your Send Brazil drum cam videos all the time and it was so much fun. I pray the lord would bring healing to you and your wife and that you would feel him close to you. I also pray that you could find your passion again for music and drumming and your ministry. I think the ministry you had was a beautiful thing and it means a lot to have a community of worshipful musicians together.
Thank you for blessing not only myself, but all the other musicians as well. Donavan and I are praying for you. ⚡
Recebi a mesma palavra quando deixei um ministério abusivo " você será amaldiçoado em tudo que fizer". Realmente o sistema está cada vez mais diante de nossos olhos, aquele que tem olhos, que veja.
I’m so sorry for everything you and your wife have been through. 💔
Having been on the receiving end of both the Scott’s and the Riddle’s, I feel for you. Deep down they are cowards hiding behind a spiritual facade.
charasmatic witchraft toxic leaders
The heavy handedness of that "CULTure of honor" is wild. I spent a year at BSSM leading worship and because I questioned some folks who claimed to be my "Spirital Fathers and Mothers" before any relationship was built, I was asked to give up my position as a worship leader.
I love Bethel still, I have really amazing friends who are still plugged in 12 years later. I just know leaders are messy and the spiritual abuse can run unchecked VERY EASY in that type of culture. There are many false prophets, false teachers and unequiped spiritual leaders who are in desperate need of accountability.
Keep your head up bro. Reach out if you ever need someone to chat with who has similar experiences with similar circles of people. God first above it all. Don't back away from the truth that Worship is a weapon and the platform that God has blessed you with. Fight against bitterness and find rest.
Proud of you for speaking up.. this stuff runs rampant in these circles.
Be strong, man!! God's with you! The famous ones and the abusers already had their reward with fame and all, and they will explain all that to Him! Our reward is with God! Keep going! DeBolt Drumming is a bless
Again, compassion for the situation. From what I could tell a lot of people have experienced certain issues within the body of Christ. You have choices on how you respond and I really believe that this is not one of them. It really does sound a little bit like a Revenge message to Jeremy personally at one point. I really have to encourage you as a body of Christ that we need to allow God to bring this full circle. And we need to lay down offense. This is the one weapon the enemy uses to separate the power of Satan is dividing the body of Christ. I'm sad to hear so many people not speak up on this but we all experience woundedness from others that we have trusted and loved in churches. But the Lord is looking for those who will humble themselves forgive and let God be God in the situation. Of course we know God is not surprised about this. But we as individuals have a responsibility to have our hearts right and clean before God. You're very young and you have a lot of other stuff in your walk with the Lord that will come these are Stepping Stones to those and if you position Your Heart Right. And allow the Lord to do what he needs to do and you don't step in front of him. This is an exhortation from an Ex V. Leader. You'll love what God does to you and your heart and what he does in the circumstances and how he uses it in the years in the future as you encounter other leaders leadership and pastors who they themselves have not been fully healed. The lord loves us in our weakness. But his heart is for us to mature. Don't pick up a stone. Lovingly from a sister in the Lord
So very sorry.
I have been through this in smaller ways in 2 different Vineyard churches that were kicked out of the Vineyard movement, but only after years of people unsuccessfully trying to get some response from the "up the line" leaders.
You can recover from this. Stay close to Jesus, and find a loving church. God is there for you and everyone else who is suffering.
Me pone re triste esta situación , aprendí y empecé a tocar la batería en la iglesia gracias a tus videos. se que vas a poder superar esta situación , hoy duele pero va pasar todo , Dios usa lo malo para hacer algo increíble en tu corazón , fuerza amigo 💪🏾
Thank you for Sharing your Story. I wish you all streignth and blessing you need for overcoming the pain you've suffered.
Noah, I'm so sorry that you know this pain. I just found your page by Internet scrolling but and am deeply saddened to hear of another victim of spiritual abuse. Praying you find your healing, it's a long and hard road for sure. I just want to commend you for speaking out and I hope you know what a brave and courageous human you are.
@@crystalccruz I really appreciate that, thanks Crystal.
Somebody call @RuslanKD
Hi, I'm a subscriber, because I really like your videos (they inspired me), but thanks for having the strength to speak about it in public, that happens in many churches, large and small.
Noah, you and your wife are so loved and I am so sorry to hear this. I’ve been following you for a few years now and also got to know Debrianna when we did the 18 inch journey together-I’ve been inspired by both of you and pray the Lord will continue to heal and comfort you as you share your story. Appreciate your courage to speak out and share, especially given the platform it’s likely to extend to. Pray you feel encouraged today seeing how many people your ministry has impacted and blessed.
Dude, I want to join this church so i can play in 3 just at the wrong time. Seriously, I did my dance with the charismatics and the subtle and not so subtle manipulation techniques going back to 1984. Once being very much into Christian music, I have no desire to play it or take part in it. Since then, my theology has become very rooted IN THE WRITTEN WORD and not personal revelation or church growth tactics. I find very luttle in the ccm world that even interests me. Like I have to strain it so heavily.
May God bless you and your family, my brother. May your ministry be restored and flourish once again.
I understand you.
It’s very difficult because people tend to believe in the abusive “leader” rather than the victimized.
Bigger voices person earn voice regardless. Smaller voiced ones are dismissed easily. We should not ignore this.
So sorry.
We see you and understand you.
My❤breaks for you brother! My wife and I went through a very similar experience at Oceans church in south Orange County. It is so the opposite of what a Bible believing church should be.
““Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’”
Matthew 7:21-23 ESV
You’re the second person who’s shared this about Oceans Church in OC. I’m so sorry you’ve experienced this pain.
This doesn’t look 100% right.. there are lots of loose ends
You can view my 2nd video on the matter.
That's powerful share! I did my DTS theory only and was kicked out and didn't do practical here in Port Moresby Papua New Guinea.I was spiritually abused.🙏👍👍
Allan Scott or any other church leader can and should be questioned according to the Apostle Paul, who applauded the Bereans for checking him according to the scripture. Making a man’s word equal to the inspired Word is how cults begin. If anyone says their inspired insight is at the same level of authority to the Bible, they are deceiving you. The body of Christ is made up of different spiritually gifted people whose functions are there to KEEP THE CHUCH HEALTHY! Your ministering to others was a gift from God, and a good thing.
Hey, God loves you regardless what anyone says about you or whoever they are. He made you you are lovely in His eye. If i could hug you I would.
I am so sorry Noah Thank you so much for keeping us updated. I was so worried about you.
Nestes templos gigantes raramente vamos encontrar liderança que não está apenas movida pelo Dinheiro,e sim pela palavra de Deus. Força meu amigo, estamos com você. E que todo o império do mal e idolatria caiam por terra pelo poder de Jesus.
I’m so so sorry that you were hurt. Make sure you forgive and release them. It will be an open door to the enemy to keep you bound. Matthew 6:14-15.
People aren’t perfect. Jesus is. Vengeance is the Lords. Let him repay for you. 🙏🏼😭🤍🕊️ Not saying what you went though wasn’t real just don’t stay offended. It’s damaging to you too. You have to heal 😢
The church is a mess, huh bro? How are we different from the world? So sad.
But you know, this is exactly why I don’t elevate any man . I keep my eyes fixed on Jesus. Men will let us down. But again, it’s so sad that this happens in organizations like you’re describing. They come off so Holy and pious, yet they are filled with dead man’s bones.
One of the things that I harp on , coming out of the reformed tribe is that the charismatics have the spirit, where the reformed really lack this. But then you hear something like this and you say to yourself, they’re really no different than anybody else.
I’ve spent the last three years crying over the church and how they are . We wonder why the divorce rate is just as high as the secular realm. We say we want revival, we know that we’re supposed to become less so that Christ can become more and yet, wedeny revival in our actions.
One of the problems I believe is lack of worshiping in spirit and in truth and prayer .
This is truly heartbreaking! Stay strong my friend! God will honor you for standing up and not being afraid to speak the truth!
Your play style and takes on songs have both influenced my drumming and influenced the environments I have played in over the last several years, so I thank you for it! In retrospect, the journey between your "things are changing" video to now is a clear example of what something of this severity can and shouldn't do to anyone. It's that kind of selfish influence that drives people away from the church and tarnishes the reputation of we believe is God's good intention for community. Praying the Lord will continue to mend both you and your wife in compassion and use y'all as a beacon for others experiencing similar injustices.
Thank you so much for sharing your story. I will be praying for you and your family 🙏🏾
Thank you for speaking up
Hey brother, I am not someone who supports this or that worship leader. But if you are a believer and love the Lord, study the life of David and his dynamic with Saul (who was a chosen kind by God) and how he dealt with him. Did you approach other spiritual leaders (outside your church) for help? (I might even get crap for my comment so far, but I will be praying for you and hoping that God will resolve this in His way, not in the way any of us may want.)
Everybody needs to get out of the institutional church - whatever the flavour. The Body of Christ that Paul describes is not to be found today. All we see is people sitting silently before one man who calls himself senior pastor.
Wish you would’ve followed scripture. Matthew 18 is for everyone. Bible doesn’t say not to if they’re famous. I wish you would’ve followed scripture instead of smearing their names first. I don’t see Christ in how this has been handled.
100 percent hands down… shows immaturity as a believer tbh.
Dude, so sorry this happened to you. Never give up keep getting the help you need and I believe you will fully recover and everything will somehow workout for the good.
Glad you are speaking up man, so happy you are back. Blessings to you.
Praying for you. It’s a painful journey. Thank you for speaking the truth. I believe you. Thank you for your boldness. And I am praying for you and your wife in your healing journey.
_"Don't turn off the comments."_ Hahahahaha.....yeah, that's not likely to happen, now is it? Wonder why that is?
But the Levite priesthood is no more, it ended when Jesus became the high priest in the order of Melchizedek. (Hebrews 5:5-6 ; Psalm 110:4). That should have been red flag #1.
sorry to hear that my brother. i know what that is like. we had the same problem and we had to leave our ministry of many years because "we didnt follow the rules" "we dont think like them" "how dare we question them". we are not there to serve leaders. but out Father in heaven. what we did was, we walked away. knowing God would use us somewhere else. people need to understand that they can just walk away. and i hope that you can as well my brother. ask God for guidance.
So wrong! I’m so sorry! Thank you for being bold and speaking out!!! Sounds like witchcraft to me! He will stand before God and be judged.
It is truly sad to watch a video like this and without taking sides, what is concerning is the justification that if a situation like this arises between two brothers in Christ that Matthew 18:15 is null and void if one of the brothers is famous, well-known, well-liked, has hundreds of thousands of followers, lives in a gated community, or drives a nice car. The concerning part is that it justifies and teaches others that it is ok to compromise Scripture. The Word of God is quite clear on the importance of Scripture within the body of Christ, within the Church, and among and between believers, even in matters like this.
The Scriptures say, "Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother." Matthew 18:15 ( Note: If your brother has trespassed against you, repentance, forgiveness, and reconciliation are exactly what God's Will is in matters like this ). Further Matthew 18:15 also sets the stage for two brothers to reason with one another over a matter.
What the Scriptures do not say is that if your brother is famous, well-known, well-liked, has hundreds of thousands of followers, lives in a gated community, or drives a nice car, you can toss the Word of God to the side or compromise Scripture for personal reasons and openly slander your brother, create gossip, and assassinate your brother's character for thousands of people to openly see and hear. The Scriptures also do not say that you can be a talebearer in such matters.
In bypassing Scripture and justifying it rather than going to your brother alone in love whom you say has sinned ( trespassed ) against you and allowing the Scriptures, the Holy Spirit, and the love of Christ to intervene is equally alarming. There are now over 43K viewers to date with 2.4K likes and 487 comments who have listened to a one-sided story that now has become a form of gossip, slander, and character assassination and lays a foundation that is not Christ-like and compromises the Word of God. It further compromises not only the scriptures mentioned above but has now also opened the door to compromising many other scriptures while inviting others to take part in such.
Is this what we want to teach others in Christ, the believer and even the unbeliever who might view this video? Is this love, a fruit of the Spirit, and most importantly, does it give honor, and glory to God? Is this loving others or loving on people as you mentioned in the video?
Secondly, the Scriptures state, "But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses, every word may be established. Matthew 18:16. ( God chose to take one or two more for a reason, a very good reason )
What the Scriptures do not say is that you can establish the matter in an open forum for 43K people to view and comment about the matter and get even with your brother whom you believe has sinned against you while slandering him, attacking his character, and speaking poorly about the man's wife. Ultimately, you are not just speaking about a brother and his wife who is also your sister in Christ. You are speaking about two members of the body of Christ which makes them a part of the bride of Christ whom Jesus is their Beloved Husbandman.
Thirdly, the Scriptures say, " And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglects to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. Matthew 18:17 ( Chances are even when there have been offenses, rarely does it get to this point, which is also not God's Will and this is exactly why Matthew 18:15-16 exists and is written ).
What the Scripture does not say is that you can bypass Matthew 18:15-16, self-impose and enact Matthew 18:17, pass judgment, and assassinate a brother's character, while making him out to be a heathen or as you say a "wolf in sheep's clothing" while inviting others into that forum and process.
We are not talking about a bunch of kids playing at kindergarten in the sandbox here. It is the very bride of Christ, His sons, His daughters, and His flock that is viewing this video and listening to its contents. Does this give glory to God? Is this how we as members of the body of Christ, as the bride of Christ shine brightly for Jesus? Is this how we uplift and encourage one another? Does this fall under the greatest of all gifts, which is love?
Would it not have been better to approach your brother in the love of Christ and in person as the Scriptures say? Would it not have been better to call your brother on the telephone or visit the church that he attends and approach him in person, in the love of Christ, as his brother in Christ? At the very least, would it not have been better to even write and send an email or a letter, honor your brother, honor yourself, honor the Scriptures, and most importantly honor God?
In the book of John, it is written, “A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another, as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.” John 13:34. Is this video an extension of love?
And what is love? "Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs." 1 Corinthians 13:4-5.
Is this video an extension of love? Is this loving on others as you mentioned in the video? And what of God's flock, His called and chosen, His sons and daughters, His sheep, even His lambs? What is this video teaching them and how is it edifying to the viewer? How does this video, the tones behind it, the heart behind it, the bitterness expressed, the slander offered, and the reality and fact that it compromises Scripture give Glory to God?
And what of all those young ones out there that admire you, that want to be a great drummer like you? Is this what you want to teach them? Is this what you want them to see and hear coming out of the depths of your heart as words on a video? For out of the mouth comes forth the abundance of the heart. Matthew 15:18
I leave you with the words of Jesus as recorded in Matthew 5:9, "Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.”
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foolish. bitter. selfish. unforgiving.
Im overcoming absue and what i can say is the cure is to grow your fear in God. How you were helping drummers is amazing. If that is what you feel called to do by The Lord DO IT. And pray for, find others that can support the works GOD HIMSELF, PREDESTINED JUST FOR YOU.
Prophetically, let me tell you something. Dwelling Place hasnt a clue what God is doing in this hour. Just like most established churchws dont. Jesus is coming back for a spotless Bride. Thank God, He pulled you two out of that mess.
Id encourage you to study The Bible with a fresh set of eyes. Not with what youve been taught, but just for what it is. There are A LOT of traditions of man in nearly every Church. In the epistles and in Revelation to have a Church God was pleased with WAS RARE. And theres nothing new under the sun.
So let God renew your mind to what a Church is and let Him direct you where to find a healthy ecclesia that can support your hearing from God.
Forgive them. Its not them. The Church is riddled with so many traditions of man it cant distinguish those from the actual Bible. So much freedom is found in His Word.🙏🕊
Hello brother, peace and grace. My name is Fernando, I'm Brazilian and I'd really like to meet you, because I say that, I'm in a moment like yours, but when I looked for the best worship drummers to improve my performance, you were in first place, and I found my faith revived again and when you ministered "agnus dei" I felt the presence of GOD in your drumsticks... thank you for being GOD's instrument in my life... GOD is with you.